WEBVTT - Hooked 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.439 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.240 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:09.280 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:10.720 These are our stories. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:31.000 Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up an 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:32.040 sv podcast. 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:35.920 I'm Kara and I'm Liza. 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:36.720 Did you get the. 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:41.160 Sisters from Ariel like a Qualita or whatever? Oh? 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:47.680 I was thinking more SNNW the Kristen wigs and yeah, 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:51.560 but here we talk SVU true crime celeb guests sometimes 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:54.840 sometimes not. You know, we're working women trying our best. 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.360 We're here, I mean, we're in the time machine. This 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.200 is this is post Same Patrick's Day. So you know 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.480 I'm not doing well in real life. If you'd like to, 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.960 if you're listening live on March eighteenth, maybe DM me, 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:08.560 maybe dm me see how I'm doing. 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:13.279 Yes, CM Lee's the center a virtual bottle of Gatorade 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:14.119 today is. 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.880 My god, Oh my god, I feel bad for you. 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:20.840 What well, we're recording on March eighteenth, and I'm gonna 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:22.560 be post Saint Patrick's Day. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.000 Oh boy, I forgot about that. 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.720 But the Luigi Trials tomorrow, so you know I'm going 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:28.479 to that we can't. 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:30.080 There's no move got around all day. 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:31.560 You got to black out the rest of the day 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.480 on the eighteenth so that you're prepped for the nineteenth. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.960 But today is my twin brother's birthday, Colin and David, 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:36.880 my twin brothers. 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:37.919 Happy birthday boys. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.080 Colin listens, but he is behind, so he'll probably get 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.240 this in like three months. He'll be like half. He'll 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:44.760 be like at his half birthday when he gets this. 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.600 But you know, love my little twinsies. So that's a 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.200 little happy birthday shout out to. 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:58.120 That old are they now? I feel like thirty eight, 0:01:58.520 --> 0:01:59.960 thirty seven something like that. 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:04.640 I forgot. Sorry, Oh they're my age. Yeah, my brothers 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.400 are like your age. There's like, yeah, I always. 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:11.079 Assumes someone that's a neurologist is older than me, but 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:12.280 I guess not anymore. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.440 You're old enough to be an neurologist, you know, which 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:16.919 is cool. 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:20.799 Yeah, that's actually so that's always the annoying thing where 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.480 it's like the strict parents that kind of want specific 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:24.800 careers out of these kids. 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:26.760 It's like, there's no way I could do that. 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.720 Like if I had Russian ass parents that were like science, science, 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.160 I would be miserable failing. I don't know what I 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.960 would do, Like, I just don't understand, like you need 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:41.040 some sort of aptitude. I feel for it, some natural inclination. 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:44.000 It's weird when parents force kids to do, Like I 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.080 can't imagine having to be a doctor if I'm not 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:47.280 good at science or math. 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:48.320 Yeah. 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:50.800 Well it's funny too because my brother is very good 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.239 at math and science. But then he's also very funny 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.160 and good at the other He's just good at everything 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:55.680 pretty much. 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:57.160 But well that's why he got like surgeon. 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:00.320 Yeah he was a surgeon, then he would have chip 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.440 missing in terms of humanity. 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.080 Yes, and but he like took improv at UCB and 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:06.959 was like very funny, like went through many levels, Like 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.440 I mean, there there's like an alternate universe where he 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.520 went goes into like more of a field like what 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.840 I'm in, you know, so that you know, like I 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.200 feel like, well, he's got special but yeah, you know, 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:19.920 I think he's enjoying a lot more money than I am, 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.160 which is nice, you know, for him, for. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.440 Him in this moment, but not overall. 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.880 I think the richest doctor and the richest person in 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.600 comedy the comedy is richer. 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.560 He likes what he does, though, I think I think 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.200 he likes he's you know, he's he likes for me, it's. 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.560 The best special it's the I mean, it's the best schedule. 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.000 Seven days on, seven days off. Oh he helps youel No, 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.280 he is smart, he's doing a good thing. I just 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:48.120 I don't know. It's just too much work. I would 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:49.680 never if I had a kid, I would never want 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:50.560 them to work that hard. 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:54.720 Ever, I'd be like, chill out, what are you doing? 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:55.720 Yeah? 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.000 I would not want my kids struggle. I mean, that's 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.080 my mom raised me. My mom always says when I'm dead, 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:06.280 that's when you can like learn about life. Oh my god, 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.320 she goes, gone, you'll know how hard life is. But like, 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:10.440 why would I ever do. 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:11.480 That to you? Yeah? 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:15.040 I just had parent teacher conferences for Rosie. Oh was 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.640 like she was like showing me Rosie's report cards. She 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.320 was like, yeah, she's doing great, She's doing great. And 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.320 I was like, come on, like give me something like 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.120 I want. I was like digging for I was like 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:24.280 and her behavior. 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:25.080 She listening. 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:26.720 She goes, yeah, I have no problems with her. And 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.040 I was like, wow, this is weird. Like it lasted 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.320 ten minutes. I was like, okay, you nothing or nothing 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.800 because I oh, she was like I didn't. 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:36.440 I'm just like surprised. 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.520 I'm surprised that she doesn't give like a little bit 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:42.000 of behavior problem in school because like she does get hyper, 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.760 she does like talk about poop, like she keeps coming 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.400 home telling me that that's inappropriate for school, like she does, 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.120 she leaves all her poop talk for home. But she's 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:52.880 been using the word inappropriate a lot. Oh, she fell 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.039 out of a window yesterday at our house. 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:58.839 What I mean, it's low to the ground. I do 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:01.839 know that which way it is the ground. She okay. 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:05.159 So Jared has been meal prepping, which is really great. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:06.960 I'm happy for him. I want him to be healthy. 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.440 But he makes like this broccoli chicken thing and our 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.160 house smells like fucking broccoli all the time, and it 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.520 drive me crazy. So I opened a bunch of the 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.600 windows in the house because it was a nice day. 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:17.440 I was like, I gotta get some cross ventilation. I 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.120 can't smell brocoli every day. And then the kids got 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:21.839 home and they were like, whoa, the windows are open, 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.400 because like, the windows are never open. There are screens, 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:26.880 but you know, so they just get up on the 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.200 edge of the couch and they're just screaming out the window. 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:32.200 They're just yelling things, not at anybody, just into the void. 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.520 They're just Oscar's going, hello Helena. He doesn't know anybody 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.679 named Helena. I don't know where any of this came from. 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.359 And he's just like yelling shit out the window. And 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.080 then I look over at the exact moment that I 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.279 see Rosie's body like just gets like almost get sucked 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.040 out of the window, like she just fell into the screen. 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.000 But it looked like she fell backwards into like a 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.520 portal to another dimension. And you've never seen me run 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:56.680 so fast, like I go, oh fuck, and I like 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.720 run out the front door and I get to her 0:05:58.760 --> 0:05:59.800 so quick, and then I go. 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:01.599 I go, oh my god, wro'sy are you okay? 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.560 She goes you got here so fast, it's like you teleported. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.760 I was like, yeah, I mean, it just takes one 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:09.200 of your kids. 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:13.120 I mean she fell out into essentially like a soft 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.800 garden of like little trees and bushes and stuff, so 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:20.280 like it wasn't but she was very shocked and upset, obviously, 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:21.359 as anybody would be. 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.000 And I was just like, yeah, you guys watching her 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.400 little legs dangle must have been funny, though, I to laugh. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.440 I know that iar in panic, but then. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.279 Right I was like, I guess these fucking screens are 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.360 not really in there very tight, so we'll be keeping 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.400 the windows closed from now on. But it was funny anyway. 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.360 She was so excited to tell everybody at school today 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:40.560 how she fell out of a window. She was like, 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.680 I can't wait to tell my teacher, my friends, my 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:43.839 after school. 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.520 Like she's excited, so, you know, she loves a little story. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:49.480 But got it. 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:51.200 I don't know if I don't know, if I'm like, yeah, 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.360 I don't know that I'm whatever. I would never push 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.520 my kids into any career, so let alone. Like, but 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.320 my mom never really pushed my brother into being a doctor. 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.040 I think she was like, you're good at that, and 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:01.280 he was good at it, you know, he was good 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.200 at the chemistry and the classes and stuff, but we 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.400 were never like like, when I told my mom I 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.440 was a theater major, she goes, could you major in 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.600 one more thing? And so I majored in creative writing 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:13.840 equally pointless, I mean, like great for me, but like 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:18.320 equally not money making, you know, so like but that's 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:19.800 like as most as I can think of as my 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.400 mom ever, like pressuring me to do well. 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:26.000 It's also fresh because I just I namesh Patel his 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:30.280 Netflix specials coming out in April good Friend. But he's 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.080 just been doing shows at New York Comedy Club and 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:35.480 it's a moment. It's a big Indian audience, so obviously 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.280 the topics come up, but they're oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.040 but there were So he does a joke where he 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.640 was doing a show in Texas and someone like passed out, fainted, 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:48.520 stroke something had and thirty doctors stood up at a 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:49.720 Patel show. 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.400 Thirty He's like, everyone was rushing too. 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.400 It's like edit in Mesh show, you don't say is 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:56.920 there a doctor in the room. You're like, is there 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.680 a cardiac pulmonologist in the room? And then you probably 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:01.640 have to sift out between the four of them. 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.120 So, oh, actually, I have my flight to LA got 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.920 diverted medical emergency. We stopped at Kansas City for like 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.080 an hour. Someone had to be taken. They asked for 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.000 a doctor, then they asked for a certain medication if 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:13.800 anyone had and. 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:15.120 Then we had to ground the plane. 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:19.280 Oh my gosh, yeah, wait that reminds me they were 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:21.200 class so I couldn't see who it was like, I 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.120 couldn't see the commotion. My mom has gotten up on 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:25.960 a plane before when they've asked for a doctor, and 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:27.960 she is a pediatrician, and she's usually a bottle of 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.360 wine deep on the plane. So I don't know, maybe 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.560 we should just check before we ask for doctors. Well, 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.320 a lot of doctors won't do it because of malpractice stuff. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.680 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you're like, and some are drinking. 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:40.079 Some are like, this isn't my responsibility. 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:41.160 I had a drink. I'm not doing that. 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.680 Yeah yeah, well not my mom. She's like, let me 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.959 in there. You need you need a Maxa sell in. 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.760 Well, so wait, this is still at the Nemesta show. 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.600 So then there's two twenty two year olds. So right 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.480 away I go, are you guys children or human? You know, 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.679 look grown up? They were twenty two. I'm like, oh, 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:56.880 that means you just graduated. They're Indian. I go, what's 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:00.160 your major? And he goes psychology And out of the 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.200 whole room only one woman gasps and joy and she 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.120 was white and I just had the field day. I 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.960 was like, this is so funny. I'm like the rest 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:10.160 of your people are living at you. It's so disappointed. 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.520 I'm like, you only got a gasp from this white 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:13.720 Like I was crazy. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.440 It was just so fun, so funny. His audience was 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:18.480 just so much fun. 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.000 It was also ask for Sunday and they all have jobs, 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:22.800 so like when people are out on a Sunday night, 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:24.160 you know they're down for a good night. 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.960 Yeah, yeah, that's fun. Yeah, you know what I was 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.520 gonna say. Though, I don't know if you remember talking 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.680 about this on the episode Manic that we did. We 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:37.560 talked about gabapentin or whatever, okay, like that was the drug. 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.880 That that was the drug in real life. 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.400 I think that, like whatever, they still prescribe that to people. 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.120 I just heard Tricksy talk about gabapentin for like twenty 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.240 minutes on her podcast that she took for a muscle 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.520 relax or or like she took for a muscle issue. 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.920 People were writing us so many people were writing into 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.320 our Instagram, going I give that to my dog, like 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:01.680 they give gabapentin for like everything, And I was like, wait, what, 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.720 like maybe they've changed the makeup of it or something. 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.200 But like I was like, in our episode, it was 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.360 like making people have really and some people actually wrote 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.640 and said I had really bad like like suicidal ideation 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.840 and like bad dreams and stuff like that when I 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:19.040 was on it. So it's not totally like a reformed 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.480 drug or anything. But they're still giving it out like wild, 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.760 they're given anything. They don't give a fuck. Yeah, they 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:26.720 don't give a fuck. 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:27.720 Yeah. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:29.600 But all of a sudden, did you see RFK All 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:31.640 of a sudden, like, actually you need to get vaxed? Yeah, 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:33.960 actually you need to get vax And it's like, oh, 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.680 you think having a bunch of fucking freaks and power, 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:37.600 Like what the fuck? 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.920 The week before he was like, measles is actually great 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.199 for you, Like it actually it's character building, Like it's 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.480 actually perfect for you, and get it and you should 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.040 want it. And then the next week was like, actually, 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.199 go get your vaxes, Like what a nut? I can't 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.439 I count with that, man, I don't think. I just 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.199 think we should just like turn him off, not listen 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.360 to him. Also, did you know that the new Pete 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.520 Buttera Jedge, the new Transportation Secretary, is Shawn Duffy from 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.040 the Real World. He was on the Real World. He's 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.280 married to Rachel from the Real World. Who was Pedro's 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:09.640 best friend. I'm like, Pedro's his grave right now, go la, 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:14.720 I forgot what Arley like early nineties, yes, early the 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:15.640 early seasons. 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.240 And they have nine kids, and he's the new Pete 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:19.760 budda jite. 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:21.599 How do you do that job with nine kids? You 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.080 shouldn't be able to work when you have that many kids. 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:26.760 How are you in the government? Go take care of 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:27.199 your kids? 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:29.520 And he's the one like that's all over the place 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.400 being like, what's this congestion pricing in New York City? 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:33.840 And it's like, I really don't think you know anything 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:35.280 about New York City. I think you should let New 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:36.440 York City do whatever they want. 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.960 You know, what we did need is some high power 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:45.240 of rails and you shut that down, So go fuck yourself, whatever, whatever, whatever. 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:46.120 Yeah, I don't know. 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.840 I'm just disassociating as much as possible. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.320 Yeah, look, we have to find who is this a roach? 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:54.400 I light it. 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:03.560 We have to find joy wherever we can, and I 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.800 will in two short weeks be taking my children to 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:08.280 Lego Lands. And I already bring that up. I told 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:10.520 you guys, you practice up. Actually, I would say three 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.320 weeks in a row. No one has sent me Lego 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.200 Land tips I need them. No, it's fine. I think 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.680 it's fine. I don't think I need any tips. But 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.840 and then I know, I'm like, what else is? 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.400 What else is? What else am I looking forward to? 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.280 I have a lot of birthday parties coming up, a 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.959 lot of kids' birthday parties, a lot of kid birthday parties. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:30.079 I do not know what to do. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.080 I think I'm just looking forward to being on the 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:38.240 road and going about my life, living my dream well 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:39.560 before it's taken away. 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.719 And then I do want to do. I have a 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:43.480 volunteer things. 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.800 I do want to get more involved in a more real, 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:51.079 consistent way in my community. And I always say that 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.360 and then I don't do it. But that is you know, 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.320 the Kevin Bacon Foundation woman Stacey that she told me 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.600 it's the antidote to hopelessness. 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.800 Yeah, And I'm always buying supplies, I'm always sending stuff. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.040 I'm about to do some ridafon for someone's kid, like 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.680 I'm always, you know, like, but that's not what I want. 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:15.760 I want to be involved with humans that something and 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.360 people sent recommendations and I brought this up in the past, 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.640 but I think that's what I need to look forward 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.360 to it because I'm disassociating but being so self centered 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:26.880 in the process, like it's all about just me. My 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.160 show is my friend, my show like the TV shows 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.440 I like to watch, Like I need to open up. 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:32.520 No, it does. 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.480 I mean the twenty sixteen election is what got me 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:37.880 to be a casa, you know, like that's what led 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.080 me to do that. And then with this election, I 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.360 am like, I'm volunteering a lot for this place that 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.480 a bunch of moms started in a life, for the 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.120 people who lost everything in the fires. It's like a 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:51.360 little store that we're running for people that they can 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.400 just come and take anything they want. And so I've 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.800 been volunteering there and then I'm even trying to do 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:57.960 like trying to get do more stuff. So yeah, I 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.760 think that's like the best way, like just try to 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:02.679 support and if you're the kind of verson's like I 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:04.520 literally don't have a minute in my day, yes, sending 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.880 money or or spreading awareness. 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:07.960 Like everybody has to. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.080 Volunteer within the confines of their capabilities, you know, like 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:12.319 if you don't have time to go work at a 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:13.280 soup kitchen. 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.439 Five days a week, that's okay, you know, just. 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.560 Do what you can, because it has been like I 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.120 don't know, at least post La and the fires, it 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.760 feels like everybody really got came together to help people, 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:25.280 and that gives me faith in humanity. 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.880 Like even though well Esther's co host, I think I 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:32.120 mentioned her last episode on my La Trip Kalila, their podcast. 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:35.680 Trush Tuesday lost her home. Oh she did you told 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:36.400 me that? Yeah? 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.360 Well I didn't. I know, I only know her casually, 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:43.640 mostly through the internet. So but we we like met 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.760 in a different apartment, like in a place where Esther 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:48.760 had a confusing time getting in the gate, and I'm like, 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.760 they're best friends. What's going on? And it's because the 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:56.680 house burned down? Oh wow, it lost everything. Damn damn. 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.600 Listen, let's get started. Let's get started. We've got a 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:05.880 classic f today, so let's get going. 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:13.520 All right, we are getting into a greatly named episode 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:17.640 I would say top ten of SV history Hooked Hooked. 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:23.640 So there's I would say, five metaphors, five layers. Honestly, 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:29.640 could be like a college essay prompt, like explain all 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.640 the different ways Hooked is involved in this episode. 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:34.680 Yes, I think a great Ideeah. 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.960 So if there's out there there should be a college 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.120 course on his view. I mean, there's a college course 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.360 on Taylor Swift's lyrics. I feel that there could be 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.800 a college course on his view and off frankly, we 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.760 could teach it. So I think we're available if any 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.080 universities online. 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:54.120 I truly, I mean, this is annoying. But this person 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.920 annoyed me. But he always annoys me. I'll say his name, 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.880 we'll bleep it. Please bleep it. Yeah, always fucking trying 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.120 to poke a hole in something. Negmy put me on 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:06.320 my place. He's always got something to fucking say. And 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:12.440 I basically was talking about my friend's roommate who almost 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.880 killed me right by leaving the stove on. Do you remember, 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:16.920 like snapping on the couch, he left the house of 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.960 stoves on. So I'm talking and I'm like, oh my god, 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.080 you know his roommate tried to murder me. I've been 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:24.640 like on edge. I keep like thinking he's gonna arrive 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.560 in the house, like even though he doesn't live there, 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.400 and then minutes go by, minutes go by, and then 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.880 this person goes, I mean, after I tell the story, goes. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.000 You know, you said murdered. He didn't try to murder 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.160 you. You kind of didn't really sell this story. I go, 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.680 what are you talking about? Are you playing semantic games 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.760 right now? Will you alluded to something else? I go, fine, 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:43.280 I didn't realize we were in court. It would be 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.080 in voluntary manslaughter. I don't give a shit. I would 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:46.440 be dead. 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.160 What are you doing? And when we're comedians, we all 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.720 talk in hyperbole. That is so fucking wise, so annoying, 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:53.520 so annoying. 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:55.680 And it was like at dinnerer And then also it 0:16:55.720 --> 0:17:00.600 was like a few now everyone will know, but no, 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.840 no one cares about me that much. But like, and 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.680 then this pissed me off. But it was three women 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.040 and one man going out to dinner and he was 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.280 gonna sit in the booth. And I decide, I go, 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:14.959 are you out of your fucking mind? He goes, what, 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:17.399 I go, this is why you can. I'm like, you 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.159 would fucking take the booth when there's three girls? I go, 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.000 And he'd had no idea about that, And I'm like, 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:24.439 that's probably why your life sucks. 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:26.280 I don't know what to tell you. 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.320 For you to think that you should have a booth 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.200 over one of the girls is insane to me. 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.800 Like, you mean the inside of the booth. Now we're 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:34.639 all sitting together. 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:36.760 Yeah, but you know sometimes it's like a booth in 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:37.720 two chairs. 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.200 Oh, not a bad booth. I apologize. 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.320 He was getting he was taking the comfy seat, Okay, No, 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:45.360 I stopped him. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:47.600 He goes, I would take it. I go, no, you're not. 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.240 You're sitting on this fucking chair. Are you out of 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:49.680 your mind? 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:55.119 And that's all based on what you're talking about. 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.040 That's I guess I could tell other people that I 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:58.960 was insane at the dinner too, now that I'm thinking 0:17:59.000 --> 0:17:59.440 about it. 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.320 Liza wouldn't was telling me where to sit and was 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.800 accusing people of murder. That's his version of the story. 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.040 No, but then I talked about my monoxide PTSD and 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.560 how it was like three months. Yeahle not listening and helping, 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:15.480 and he started taking the fire fire's side. 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:15.760 Yeah. 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.679 He was like, well, yeah, like they didn't find it. 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.320 That's not I go, but that's their fucking job. I go, 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.159 the raidar said monoxide. They left a citizen in a 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.600 monoxide house without finding the source. I go, why are 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.000 you defending these firefighters? I go, this is bonkers. You're 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.320 you're a maniac. I go, you're truly a maniac, and 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:33.719 I don't want to hang out with you anymore. Like 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:38.080 I can't. I can't. I can't just be on trial 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:39.960 at all times, like I'm so sorry I didn't say 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.359 he involuntarily manslaughtered me, Like, but in my head, I'm like, 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.439 is that even the true thing? But I act like 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.320 I know, I act like I like when I talk 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.359 about your regie, I truly am like I am his lawyer, 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:54.119 and that's the way I like. 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.080 I truly am that in my head. 0:18:56.119 --> 0:19:00.159 And I can't, like, God forbid, the day I get 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:01.800 into a fight with a real lawyer out in the world, 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:02.560 I'm going to lose. 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:05.240 Okay, it's hooked. It's Hooked. 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:10.160 Season six episodes air date February fifteenth, two thousand and five. 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:15.720 So a post V Day situation. So we're stargazing. It's 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:19.120 a lesson for some telescope boys, and of course they're 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:21.520 young boys. They're going to start spying on topless women 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:25.000 that are right out of the showers. 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.640 I think the shower and my daughter is a cub 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.040 scout right now, the girls are in so. 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.160 So the teacher obviously goes over and is like, hey, 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.680 quits spying, and but then one of the boys sees 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:37.280 something bad. 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:37.840 What is it? 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.919 It's a dead woman on a roof, So Benson and 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.680 Stabler with a uniformed cop giving them the low down 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.920 on what the roof boy scouts saw. Sailor makes a 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.000 joke about merit badges inappropriate. So there's a bag in 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.280 the alley next to the building and we find an 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.680 ID and it says Alison Downey. The address is in 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:58.600 Yonkers and not a bench. This is a millennium. This 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.280 is a very high end episode of shopping and I 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:05.119 love it. This episode's for the girls. So the so 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.440 Melinda is on the scene and she goes, I mean, 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:09.520 I bet that's a good address in Yonkers because this 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.600 stress is eight hundred dollars and maybe she knows about 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.439 the dress from her sister who works at Sacks. 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.080 So yes, that's that's. 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:19.560 Which was one of our That was one of our 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.119 quiz show questions that I think was one of the 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:23.080 hardest ones ever. 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.119 Yeah, because I already don't even remember what episode we 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:26.679 learn that in. 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.840 It's like fucked up. I would put, Yeah, her sister's 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.960 a buyer for Sacks. It's also like, I know if 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:34.639 I'm looking if I'm like, oh wow, this is a 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:37.159 Proda dress. This is a Mumer dress. This is a 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:39.439 dull chain of bonness. Man'm like, I know it's expensive, 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:42.840 but I don't ever really know how much, you know. 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:44.560 I'm like, I don't know, what is this twelve hundred 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:45.919 two grand, Like I don't know. 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:51.719 Yeah, So, Melinda says cracked skull was something blunt and heavy, 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:55.440 no weapon recovered, no fluids, but panties are pulled down 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:57.920 and there is trauma to the vaginal area. And again, 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.080 this is not a sentence I would love you. It 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:01.640 makes me question everything I say. 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:01.960 True. 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.480 I always think about the fact that if my computer 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.320 gets caught, like discovered or something, or I don't know, 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:11.159 like how much how many bad keywords I have written 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:13.159 in my Google docs and on my computer, Like if 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:15.439 you just were to like search the word rape on 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.040 my computer, it would come up like dozens, if not 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:18.919 hundreds of times. 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:20.480 And it's like, I don't know, and they would probably 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:22.840 arrest you sooner than they would arrest a real rapist. 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:26.520 So yeah, they'd be like she had I mean, like literally, 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.520 they tell the press that she had information of interest 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:31.600 on her laptop or something like that, and then it's like, 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.080 oh wait, but nobody put together. She has a podcast 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.000 about this, and by then my reputation's ruined. You know, 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:37.120 I thought about it. I thought it through. 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:44.919 So she has been dead for twenty to twenty four hours, 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:47.439 which means that between eight and midnight the night before 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.520 this could have occurred. And both roof doors are locked 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:53.359 from the inside, so maybe the purpose like lives in 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.600 the building. Munchin Fin are going to do a canvas 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:58.800 and then Benson and Stable are going to go to 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.680 Yonkers to do the no notification to the parents. 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:02.480 The mom. 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:04.720 We cut to the mom holding the driver's license, going, 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.800 that's Allison, that's my daughter. She's crying. She saw her 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:11.880 daughter yesterday morning. She's been living with her like since 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:12.960 she graduated college. 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:13.399 Normal. 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:15.200 I mean, they were ahead of their times with that, 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:18.040 like we're all moving back. But the mom says she 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:19.720 goes to the city to hang with her friends and 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:22.960 stays overnight. That's I just relate to that. And then 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:25.840 she has a boyfriend who lives in Boston. But then 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:29.160 the door rattles and who walks in. It's fucking Allison. 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:32.040 I mean, can you believe the trauma to the joy? 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.640 I like can't even imagine that, like kind of wave 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:35.359 of emotions. 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:38.080 It's kind of like what every mom like wishes what 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.200 happen when when this, you know, like it's oh my god, 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:42.720 it's so yeah yeah. 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:44.919 But to me, I'm like, you guys are detectives for 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:46.760 you to not see that the IDs didn't match or 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:48.960 you would at least like match the DNA from the idea, 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:52.840 like I can't. I am curious at what the fuck 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.320 because they do look different to me, like the photo, 0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:57.760 they do look different. So it's weird. But I guess 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:01.480 you don't question that's not your instinct. But I would 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:03.919 feel for some of the best investigators in Manhattan, they 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:04.960 would take a double shit. 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:07.159 Show a crime sceam photo, show her a photo of 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.240 the body, you know, of the body too much. 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:11.879 But you know, great television, great television, And this is 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:12.800 one of like eight. 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:15.959 This episode's amazing. I can't believe we are doing it. 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:17.960 This is up there with when they go into ID 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:20.080 and they go, it's not her, it's not her, it's 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.840 not her, you know, like yeah. 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:24.520 So she hugs her daughter, oh my, and she goes, 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:26.560 they said you were dead. They said you were dead. 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:30.000 The daughter's like whoa. She has an amazing blonde blowout, 0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:33.240 and we get to the credits. So now Allison's talking 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:35.000 to the cops and like where they found the ID 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:37.840 and it was in the murder victims per s babe, 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:39.560 and she's like, oh, I lost mine and I got 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.560 a new one, so I guess. And then Benson picks 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:45.880 up a framed photo and there's a girl who it's 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:48.040 it's at the actual dead body. Oh so now you 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:52.119 can figure it out, Benson. So Alison goes, that's my cousin, Lisa. 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:55.240 She lives in Queens. Allison starts crying and trying to lie, 0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:58.679 but she then admits she gave her ID to Lisa, 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:03.159 who just turned fifteen. That's so young. But she was 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:05.119 going out with a college guy and she wanted to 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:07.560 go to clubs in concerts with him. But Alison's like, 0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:09.360 she didn't do drugs. She was like kind of a door, 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:11.200 which I didn't. I didn't think it would be a 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:14.240 bad idea. She never got in trouble. She doesn't know 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:17.159 the college guy's name. She's crying hardcore and you know 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:19.879 she did kind of like help her cousin be killed. 0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:21.480 Maybe, So she feels bad. 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:25.239 And she is dead, and thank god, she's reacting how 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:27.560 you would react if your cousin is dead, because the 0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:30.720 rest of the people we meet here snakes. Okay, So 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:33.159 we're in Melinda's house. We see the dead girl on 0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:38.160 a slab and yeah, the girl has a Sarah bro cerebral. 0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:40.800 The girl has a god I want fruity pebbles. Okay, 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:45.119 a cerebral hemorrhage from blunt force trauma. I feel like 0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:48.080 I kept trying to say cereal instead of cerebral. 0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:49.359 Okay, blunt force trauma. 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:52.320 She thinks it like it was a metallic and rounded 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:54.639 end weapon, but she can't really figure it out. She 0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:56.360 also has a bruise on her face that's like four 0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:59.080 to six weeks old, and it's sad. 0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:01.119 She's only fifteen. And Stabler's pissed. 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:03.840 He's like, what kind of parents let their daughter go 0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:06.639 out clubbing on a school night? And Melinda goes, well, 0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:08.480 you can get ask the dad, go bully him. You 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:11.160 know he's here. The dad identifies the body. He's crying. 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:14.640 He's so sad. He can't believe it. She told him 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:16.800 she was just going out for pizza with some friends. 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:18.520 I mean, are you gonna AirTag your kids. What do 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:20.520 you think you're going to do? Oh no, just follow 0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:21.560 like share location. 0:25:21.840 --> 0:25:24.400 By the time they're doing that kind of thing. 0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:25.760 I feel like they're going to have one of these 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:27.879 little watches that a lot of the kids have, which 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:29.879 I think are like so that you can text and 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:33.800 call but no other apps, and I think you can. 0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.919 I think that has GPS. Cool. I think I'll have to. 0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:39.840 So he saw her Monday morning, the dad, but he's 0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:42.159 a truck driver, so you know, before he left on 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:45.600 his long haul, he said bye, and then she called 0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:48.240 him to do the pizza check in that afternoon before 0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:51.760 she was killed. She and she left the day in 0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:54.439 her school uniform. Stabler's a dick though, and is like 0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:57.440 you sure about that. Sabler calms down a bit after 0:25:57.480 --> 0:25:59.960 the dad is visically just you know, upset his daughter's 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:02.720 and they explained that she was wearing an eight hundred 0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:03.680 dollars dress. 0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:05.080 He confuses him. 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:08.560 He doesn't know about an older guy or dating sugar. 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:10.680 Dad like he doesn't know any how she would get 0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:13.760 the dress or the job, or who she was. Hey, 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:17.080 you know the her mother died nine months ago, so 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:20.320 double sad. So they leave the dad to sob which 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:23.080 I think is nice. And then we're at the Catholic school. 0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:25.119 The lady in charge there says that she went to 0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:28.320 all her classes on Monday, so she know she doesn't 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:30.560 get in trouble. She also says that Lisa would be 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:32.520 the last kid she would think something like this would 0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:35.520 happen to because after her mom died, she became like 0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:36.919 the head of the household and she had to like 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:38.800 keep the house in checks since her. 0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:39.840 Dad's always on the road. 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:43.080 The mom, you know, is dead, and so she cooked clean, 0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.760 did schoolwork just but was alone a lot. And then 0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:49.320 when the kid and so the principal explains, when the 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:51.719 kids don't get the attention and affection they need, they 0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:54.040 look for it elsewhere. And the only time she had 0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:57.639 to call her in was over the sex bracelets. But 0:26:57.720 --> 0:26:59.600 she's like, I feel like that was just peer pressure 0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:03.080 and say blurt sex bracelets. You know, he can't believe it, 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:06.639 the principle, even though I think there was a season 0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:08.760 three episode about the sex bracelets, you know what I mean? 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:11.440 Yeah, there was a blow job party one too. I'm 0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:13.160 going to talk a little bit later. 0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:17.000 Ye, the principal takes out a bunch you know, sex 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:20.600 bracelets from the drawer. Basically, the girls wear them to 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:23.879 indicate which sex sex are willing to perform. So the 0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:26.720 colors are like hugging, there's a kissing, a lap dance 0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:29.399 that's kind of fun and creative, a oral sex, and 0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:31.680 then you know, all the way all the girls were 0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:33.679 wearing it. But she can't, you know, she doesn't know 0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:36.960 like who did it for, you know, attention and who 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:39.760 did it because they were acting on the sexual stuff. 0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:42.480 So they go to talk to her best friend Angela 0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:46.960 and Ganlly, and of course it is Hayden Pantare back 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.520 for her second Sview episode. She was a little kid 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:53.240 in an episode called Abuse from It's a Wild Jump. 0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:56.399 It's only four seasons. Abuse was season two and this 0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:58.000 is season six right now. 0:27:58.040 --> 0:27:58.919 That's four seasons. 0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:01.200 I feel like they gave little Michael what's his name, 0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:03.119 Michael O'Keeffe. 0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:07.600 I'm just like, yeah, I'm just seeing the ohum kids, 0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:09.600 Like I know, kids grow up quick. 0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.080 But she was like a tiny little Olivia comes spend 0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:12.920 the day with me, and. 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.879 Then four seasons later she's like a high school babe, 0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.280 you know, like, I don't know, make wearing a sex bracelet. 0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:19.800 It's like it's just was a jump for me. 0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:22.200 Yeah, I get what you mean. But and then to 0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:24.560 grow up fast. These kids grow up fast. Obviously you're 0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:26.240 gonna get Hayden pan a teer back as much as 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:29.520 you can. Yeah, and she's not our guest. 0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:32.800 If you were wondering, We're going to talk to Hayden 0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:33.879 Panitar later today. 0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:34.199 It's not. 0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.679 Panater also reminds me of just like some like a panchetta, 0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:39.120 like it kind of makes you want to eat it 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:42.840 like a deli meat like oh, or like panatone. 0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:44.239 Yeah, but what is that? 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.800 Panatone is like an Italian Christmas cake? Oh yeah, no 0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:49.760 I don't but I've never had that. And I don't 0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:50.880 like panapata either. 0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:51.720 Yeah. 0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.160 No, I'm thinking like pshoot, Like it makes me feel 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:56.200 like I just I want to meet so bad. 0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:58.680 Right now pan tear. Yeah. 0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:02.000 For me, she's remembered that Titans that was That's like 0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:03.040 the big thing for me. 0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.840 I didn't even watch Heroes, but that was so big 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:09.560 and she was the cheerleader. It was like save the cheerleaders, 0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:12.040 save the world, Like I think NBC at that point, 0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:14.360 because Heroes was NBC, Like I think they were, Like 0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:15.520 she's in our pipeline. 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:18.400 You know, we love her. Yeah, and then was Nashville 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:22.560 NBC too. I wonder if she was a company now wes. 0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:26.200 I hope she has a Lindsay Lohan style comeback. 0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:30.120 Just no, Nashville was ABC. She made a jump. Oh wow, 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:31.840 and now we have Hayden. 0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:36.560 She's in a ponytail Catholic schoolgirl caller and she says 0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:40.040 they wore the berry slits to school and it's a 0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:44.000 walk and talk. She and Angela says. She actually named 0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:46.680 them sex bracelets. So she's cool. But none of them 0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:49.000 have boyfriends, and they love studying. They don't have time 0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:50.920 for boyfriends because they're studying. They all want to go 0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:53.320 to college. But she really doesn't seem upset about her 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:55.440 best friend dying in the at all. She's like, I 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:58.479 got to get to Spanish class. Like truly, you'd think 0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:00.520 the school would make an announcement of like if anyone 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.400 needs to go to the school therapist or take a 0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:05.840 break like our fellow classmate, your best friend has been 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.760 found brutally murdered on a roof. But yeah, I guess 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.600 you got to get to Spanish class, so skip on 0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:15.160 a over there. But once she goes to class. Stabler goes, yeah, 0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:18.200 I'm actually stuck on this. Well, teenage girls are too 0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:21.120 busy for boyfriends. I don't get I'm not into that. 0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:23.480 I don't buy it. Benson gets a call from Taru. 0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:26.680 Morales has something and they jog up the stairs. Really cute. 0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.240 Lisa's BlackBerry is what's been found by the dumpster near 0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:32.920 where the body was, And first it was jumped on 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:35.360 and ruined on purpose. Water got inside of it. But 0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:37.640 of course it's Morales. He got some data out of 0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:41.000 the SIM card and she went to one website over 0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:44.440 and over and over again, and it's hot personals dot net, 0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:48.640 a teen singles website. You would think that the government 0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:51.320 would shut that down. Does that exist and has it 0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:54.920 ever existed? Like that doesn't seem like a thing that's 0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:56.840 ever existed, a teen singles web. 0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:59.360 I mean, like we've had friends or we've had MySpace. 0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:01.800 You can hook up on these sites, but like they're 0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:04.960 disguised as friend sites. They're not like, Hi, I'm fifteen, 0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:07.840 I'm single. Like what you'd think that that would be 0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:09.160 shut down for sure. 0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:09.880 For sure. 0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:12.000 But this reminds me of something actually very wholesome from 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:15.040 the Internet. But Coleman Domingo. I was watching an interview 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:19.040 and he met his partner of now nineteen years from 0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:20.480 a Craigslist miss connections. 0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:23.960 I have a friend who's married from a Craigslist misconnection. 0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:26.320 I think it's like the coolest thing, and it's such 0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:27.960 a period of time, Like I wonder if it's still, 0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:30.320 like I just am obsessed. He was on it for 0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:31.800 something else. He's like, I guess I'll check, and then 0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:34.000 he realized it was him and like, oh my god, 0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:34.520 I don't know. 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:37.480 I love it. I think they kind of exist on Instagram. 0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:39.600 I've seen them before, like I think, but they just 0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:41.560 don't go like it's just not the same, you know, 0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:43.000 like you used to be able to just go to 0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:46.000 your city and like scan and it would be like 0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:48.600 lady in the camel coat, Like that's how my friend. 0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:50.840 Got met her husband. 0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:54.640 Oh yeah, Like they were on the same flight and 0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:57.360 he was like, you were in like seat whatever, this 0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.000 camel coat married child children. 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:03.480 Wow. Yeah, all right. 0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:08.240 So basically we're on you know, Lisa's page. Her likes 0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:11.120 her tattoos and six packs, her dislikes her piercings and 0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:11.840 ugly guys. 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:17.680 Her handle is Queen's teen and yeah. 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:20.640 So basically they go talk to someone who's a neighbor 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.840 of Lisa, and the torp's like, Lisa, who and it's like, 0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:26.120 I don't know, maybe the woman that's been murdered, the 0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:28.600 girl the class like shut the fuck up, I'm sick 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:32.080 of everyone, arrests everyone. And so they had a photo 0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:35.200 of Lisa to him and he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:37.400 he you know, he hooked up with her for a while, 0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:38.320 but that was months ago. 0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:39.360 Friends with Benefits. 0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:42.200 Munch asks why the benefits stopped, and then it cuts 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.200 to Stabler talking to another teen, so you know what 0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:47.480 we're doing, just like a relay race of teens and detectives, 0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:50.960 and so he's like, well, how long you know were 0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:53.760 you and Lisa dating? And he goes, only ugly people date, 0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:57.160 and then he goes, I gotta fly and Stabler grabs 0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:58.800 him like, bitch, what the fuck? 0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:00.800 Who is she hooking up with? 0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:02.560 And then it cuts to Benson, who's talking to a 0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:05.920 girl who answers the question practically every cute guy at 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:09.320 the school. The girl was on a mission and Benson goes, 0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:11.560 you weren't, and she goes, well, I'm into girls, and 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:14.240 actually so was Lisa for a while, okay, season six, 0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:17.760 and then she started doing older guys she met on 0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:20.760 the internet. And Benson's like, wait, she wasn't scared to 0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:23.320 meet like men from the internet that she didn't know. 0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:26.280 And the girl goes, why would she be love that 0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:28.720 love that? We would teach that on our syllabus for 0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:32.080 sure if we were to mess me plus that, what 0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:33.480 is there to be scared of? They have got a 0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:35.520 profile picture and they say everything about themselves. 0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:36.200 What are checking out? 0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:40.959 Yeah? But yeah, she likes old rich men, so that's 0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:43.880 what's up. And then she goes, but Angela would probably 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.560 know about that. So now we find Angela. She's at 0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:50.400 Java Jake's coffee. There's cute groovy flowers stuck around the 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:52.720 walls and windows. She's typing up a storm on a 0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:55.240 laptop and then she looks shocked to see the detectives, 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:56.240 closes the laptop. 0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:58.160 Benson kneels down and goes, hey, you. 0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.960 Forgot to mention Lisa was hooking up with of queens 0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:04.560 Hayden Panetera says she wasn't doing that anymore, That's why 0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:06.239 she didn't want to mention it, like that was her 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:07.000 olden days. 0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:07.760 Sailor. 0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:10.760 Then slutshames her outfit and then they're like, you lied 0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:12.600 to us. She goes, I'm sorry. I just didn't want 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:14.839 you to think that she was a slut and tell 0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.959 her dad and then was like, she's gonna get in trouble. 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.120 She's at the More Girl. So then they grill her 0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:22.919 to the old man online. About the old man online, 0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:25.959 they want information. She goes, he was in college and rich, 0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:28.120 but he started getting jealous because she was hooking up 0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:31.200 with everybody that he even hit her once and gave 0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:33.320 her a black eye. Lisa never said that, but I 0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:36.439 knew what was up. His name's Andy Wall. So we're 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:38.840 in cement room bars with this guy. He is an 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:41.440 ugly guy, which is a Lisa dislike. So I am 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:44.640 confused by what's going on here. No offense to the actor. 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.120 It was just like a funny thing. I just said okay, 0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:49.439 And this boyfriend goes, I don't know about the fake ID. 0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:52.920 I you know it's Alison. So they go out. They 0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:53.440 go Lisa. 0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.120 Lisa goes, I don't know any Lisa, and then he's like, oh, 0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:59.240 you mean Alison. Then he's also shocked that she's fifteen. 0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.440 He is shocked that she is dead, and he is 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:06.400 shocked that her name is not Alison so Bingo three across. 0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:09.440 That's not what I wanted to say, jackpot, jackpot. He 0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:12.000 says he would never hurt her, but also they split 0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:14.960 up and he hasn't talked to her in months, but 0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:17.000 they have the phone records and they talked all the 0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:19.320 fucking time. And he goes, well, we're just friends. Friends 0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:21.040 talk to each other, and it's like, you just lie. 0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.040 I guess they might not have seen each other. They 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:25.800 just talk on the phone, and that's his little semantics play. 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:29.040 So he loved her but dumped her because she wanted 0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:32.000 to keep screwing other guys. Can I also say one 0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:35.040 thing the cousin told us. The cousin told us that 0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:39.399 she just turned fifteen, and everyone we're talking about is like, oh, 0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:41.359 we were fucking, but we haven't fucked in months. So 0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:44.200 she was fourteen when she was mostly going around fucking 0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:45.640 all these people, and all. 0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:47.440 These people are like, I thought she was twenty one. 0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:51.640 I'm like, she's fourteen. She's like two years into puberty. 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:56.080 Like it's so fucking crazy. It is crazy, and I 0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:58.720 didn't even realize that. But it's also like I've performed 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:01.800 at colleges four. Once you meet these kids and perform 0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:04.560 for them, you know that these people know their children. Yeah, 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:06.920 I'm sorry, Like when you see a teen, you know 0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:08.719 it's a teen. And I'm sick of people being like 0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:11.200 I just had no idea, Like you did have an 0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:15.960 idea people, It's like, yeah, it's not yeah, talk to 0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:17.120 them for three seconds. 0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:20.480 Yeah, and it's like, we also know that that's what 0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:23.799 you like, Like there's porn categories you like, like like 0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:26.359 you can't have porn categories of a thing and then 0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.200 deny the thing that you're actually all into, like it's 0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:33.080 it's weird. Okay, So he loved her but dumped her 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:35.319 because she wanted to keep screwing other guys. I did 0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:37.480 say that, So I said that again. And he also 0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:39.439 does have an alibi. He was in a study group 0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:42.400 till three am, and all five study buddies have vouched 0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:45.240 for him, So fuck, what are we gonna do? Benson 0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:47.759 and Stable are chatting about the case. Craigan comes by 0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:50.799 and it's basically like, now, what what what Melinda called? 0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:52.879 Drum roll? I mean a sad drum roll. 0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:56.479 Never don't drum roll, Lisa has HIV, so that's had 0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:57.479 she's dead. 0:36:57.719 --> 0:36:58.680 So the show. 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.680 Is obsessed with HIV and first ten seasons they really 0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:04.759 are obsessed, Like we have done so many episodes about it, 0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.360 Like I honestly forgot that this episode had an HIV 0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:10.600 component and was like, oh my god. Like again, like 0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:14.160 it's obviously it's great awareness at the time, very important, 0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:17.719 but it's like every season there's like two HIV episodes 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:19.440 on this show. It's it is kind of it is 0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:22.319 kind of wild. Yeah, but yeah, you are totally right, 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.279 and so now it's less in time. I always love this. 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.760 It's a walk and talk as Melinda is filling Benson 0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:30.960 and Stabler on the statistics of teen TEENHIV so a 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:34.200 third of teens have an STI and then they go, 0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:37.680 this bitch got around. So basically every kid in Queen's 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:41.200 is at risk, to be honest, and every positive HIV 0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:44.680 infection is to be reported, but names are kept anonymous, 0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:47.600 so like we can't give the names of everybody, but 0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:49.840 like we do know that she knew she was positive. 0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.719 They found traces of anti retrovirals in her blood, so 0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:57.399 a doctor was giving her medication and Stabler is looking 0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:00.239 at the list Melinda gave him of like all of 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.759 the people that Lisa had sex with, all her partners 0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:06.480 that we've compiled from the website. Her phone lists the 0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:10.120 interviews they've conducted, and Stabler recognizes a name. Oh my 0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:14.040 god father mode is activated. He shows up to talk 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:17.920 to Kathleen asap. She's like, what, Dad, And she's like, 0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:20.360 are you guys getting a divorce? And he goes, no, no, no, 0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:21.799 I just I need to make sure you didn't have 0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:26.680 sex with this guy. He has HIV. So I'm it's 0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.480 not as blunt as this. I apologize, guys. He doesn't 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:31.920 say he doesn't. He doesn't say any of that. He 0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:34.279 doesn't break any hippo rules, don't worry, no, no, no, 0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:38.160 which he but he's done before. You know, he does 0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:42.120 not care when it comes to his children. Okay, so 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:46.200 she realized, you know, the dad's sailor seems serious. So 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:49.239 she realizes the seriousness of the moment and answers truthfully 0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:53.279 and she goes, he actually dumped me for not being 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:55.719 more sexual with him. I wasn't ready. So he hugs her. 0:38:55.800 --> 0:39:00.399 He's fucking, you know, thrilled. He pays extra for Catholic school. Yeah, 0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:03.239 so he kisses her forehead, which I don't know. It 0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:06.160 sickens me. So they're back at least is an apartment 0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:10.359 to talk to the dad and I don't know, does 0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:13.600 he have to know? They have to let him know. 0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:17.440 I know they don't have to. They tell him, listen, 0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:20.720 your daughter also had HIV. This guy's in a fantastic actor. 0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:24.719 He's so sad and they actually have work to do. 0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:28.000 So Benson goes through the girl's closet finds more expensive outfits. 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:30.480 So they're like, hey, did she have a job. What 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:32.359 is going on? He goes no, the lounges was only 0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.600 twenty five dollars a week. So he's like, I guess 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:37.920 I don't know anything about my daughter. She's rich and 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:41.560 has HIV. I had no idea. So they find a 0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:45.719 bag like a shopping bag from her boutique where most 0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:49.240 of her clothes are from, so and in the bag 0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:52.200 are all her pills, and then the pills are prescribed 0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:56.600 from a doctor named doctor Derek Tanner. Everything is a 0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:59.319 Sally Seashell shore thing for me right now. I'm like, 0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:02.920 everything is tongue twister in my mind. And in the 0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:05.200 back of clothes were her pills and in the pills. 0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:06.200 There was a like. 0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:10.920 So we got to go talk to doctor Derek Tanner. 0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:13.760 The doctor obviously can't be like talking about people's medical 0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:16.959 records and texts and like, what's going on? And he goes, 0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:19.919 I did everything I legally could for her. I try 0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:22.080 to do the right thing, but I can't do anything 0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:24.480 and like tell you any information unless you get a 0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:26.960 release from Lisa's father, and then I could tell you 0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:29.360 anything that you need to know. So Benson and Stabler 0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:31.440 leave and are like, okay, so how did she get 0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:34.279 all this money? So like, and I love how they 0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:36.400 jumped from the HIV back to the money so quickly. 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:38.840 So I'm still like, wait, can we get the release? 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:41.319 What's going on here? But so they go to the 0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:44.480 store and a worker rushes to them because she's like, 0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:47.120 what are you guys doing here? You seem very poor, 0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:50.880 very civil servant. So the worker like looks up the 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:53.920 dress though and Lisa that Lisa had on and they 0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:57.800 sold one on Monday with cash, so but she wasn't working. 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.000 But they do have surveillance, so now we're watching the tape, 0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:04.759 and this worker's very helpful, honestly, more helpful than her 0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.799 best friend. There's a man there, Brian, one of the managers. 0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:10.760 Brian and Lisa leave to the back together. Fast forward. 0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:14.080 She leaves wearing the dress after being gone for over 0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:19.080 ten minutes, and Brian is there again today. So they 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:21.320 go to meet him back there and we hear moans 0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:24.600 of passion and pleasure. They follow the moans he's getting 0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:27.000 his dick sucked in a stock room by who Hayden? 0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:34.680 Panitare? Can you believe it? So they Angela Agonelli, you know, shocking. 0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:37.040 So they go to woodroom blinds and she's like, ugh, 0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:39.000 I don't even know what I did wrong, And Benson's like, 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:42.280 you're selling yourself for clothing, and she goes, it's not sex, 0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:47.320 it's oral the Bill Clinton effect, and so so she goes, whatever, 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:49.799 it's what I did when I just hooked up, but 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:53.160 now I get something for it, so whatever. And this 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:55.200 is actually the one time because the costume and the 0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:58.360 department and everything at Sview is so incredible and professional. 0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:02.160 They have a face black Louis. It'son marricam bag, like 0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:07.040 the logos are. It's clearly fake, but they're pretending it's 0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:09.280 real in the show, going, oh you have this louisv's 0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:12.879 on bag, but it's a it's a it's like even 0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:15.440 the symbols aren't the Louis It's on symbols or the letters, 0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:18.440 Like I don't understand what's happening, because like I wonder 0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:20.719 if they couldn't get clearance, and they were like and 0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:22.880 who will notice? Sure, but why not get like the 0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:28.120 product triangle or the like fake that's less noticeable. 0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:32.319 Like it's such a noticeable because it's everywhere and the 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:33.560 lv's are gone. 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:37.279 It just was such a confusing thing because the show 0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:40.799 is so grounded, not reality and like how things move, 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:41.759 but you know they are. 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:45.239 It's a realistic show. They use real Yeah. 0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:49.320 Yeah, because when we talk to I remember why Clef, 0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:52.400 I asked about his clothes and they were all really 0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:55.319 really expensive because his character was like the leads, so 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:57.239 I know that they get expensive shit. 0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:01.880 Yeah, so what the fuck? Confusing? 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:06.360 But Benson clock say, she goes, that's Louis bit'son bag, 0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:08.480 that's adult ching ub on the top, and those are 0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:11.759 prod Is shoes. So one guy spent that much on you. 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:14.600 So she gets embarrassed and it's like whatever, it's not 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:16.440 like I do it all the time. And Stablor goes, 0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:18.840 do you want to wind up? Like Lisa? She doesn't. 0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:21.680 So they were hooking at the mall, but then she 0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.279 started using the hotels, so that's the thing. So at 0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:26.719 first they were just fucking around the stock rooms, but 0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:31.080 then Lisa got hooked and started going to the hotels. 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:33.880 The hotel is the Barrington, so she, you know, starts 0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:37.080 spilling tea, tearing up. She's like, oh, we did it 0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:40.080 for clothes. But then Lisa was so into it. And 0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:41.840 then one time a creep picks us up at the 0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:44.400 mall and he was like, you can make some real 0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:46.880 money if you come to the hotel. So they go 0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:49.520 to the hotel to talk to the man. It is Jerome, 0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:52.600 the front desk employee, and Stabler's undercover as like a 0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:56.319 jerk type of businessman, real sol easy in for a 0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:58.239 good time, looking for a massage. 0:43:58.920 --> 0:43:59.799 So that was. 0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:02.719 Takes us so many fucking directions, so many, I mean, 0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:05.960 we've already had like six Red Herring suspects, like and 0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:07.440 now Morning's undercover. 0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:09.440 Like it's so nuts, Like I had. 0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:11.359 To go back and like rewatch parts of it because 0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:12.799 I was like, wait, where who was that? 0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:14.640 Like it's this one's really. 0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:18.359 Wild it is, and like like there was a black Eye, 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:20.640 and we have one theory of the black Eye. There's 0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:23.040 gonna be more theory. Like there is just like a 0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:27.760 never ending kind of a cool episode. So basically, Jerome's 0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:30.080 a bad guy. He's a pimpage. He works at this 0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:33.200 hotel and he sends up a young blonde named Brandy upstairs. 0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:36.000 They do a money exchange and he takes out his 0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:39.600 badge and well, first he. 0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:41.279 You know, Sailor's like, why do you do this? 0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:43.120 And her back's turned to him, and she goes, oh, 0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.040 you're one of those and he goes, no, I'm one 0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:47.840 of these badge out So it's kind of like cinematic. 0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:48.399 I like it. 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:51.640 And she's three hundred for the hour and two thousand 0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:55.799 for the night, yeah, which I was like, damn in 0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:59.759 one direction, just like that's this is two thousand and 0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:00.720 five five dollars. 0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:03.960 That's a that's a fucking lot, you know. Yeah. 0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:09.440 But so the exchange, Yeah, so then she's pissed obviously, 0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:12.160 and we're all in cement room bars where with Jerome 0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:15.760 and they're like, we hate you because this motherfucker takes 0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:21.439 seventy percent from the girls seven. But that's so much 0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:23.279 you would think it would be a different split. So 0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:24.799 I don't like it. You're a bad pimp. 0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:25.319 I hate you. 0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:28.799 And he's like, I do know they were underage, and 0:45:28.840 --> 0:45:30.920 they're trying to get info from him, and he's being 0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:32.680 like cage and then they're like, okay, we're gonna tell 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:35.120 your hotel that you're like a suspect for murder, and 0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:37.799 he slips and goes, wait, Allison's been murdered. So at 0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:40.040 first he was denying knowing who you know Lisa is 0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:42.520 or anyone, and then now he's like, Allison's been murdered, 0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:45.120 so he knows about the youth. So everyone just keeps 0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:47.200 letting it slip that they do know her. Everyone's like, 0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:49.440 I don't know, and then they're like wait her. So 0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:52.799 that just keeps on happening. So then he finally is like, oh, 0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:54.520 I have to give them information or you know, the 0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:57.040 hotel's going to know him a murderer but like or 0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:01.160 suspect it. Either way, the hotel should fire him, like 0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:05.680 he is pimping ye scenes yeah, yeah, they're well they're 0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:08.640 threatening him with that, but it's like, honey, that's a lot. 0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:11.279 They're gonna tell them myself like you cannot work at 0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:11.720 the hotel. 0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:13.680 No, thanks saving your job right now? Now, do you 0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:15.760 want to not go to jail. Let's get some info? 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:18.879 Yeah, so they go uh so then he's like there's 0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:21.760 a guy who's extra fond of her. And they're like okay, 0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:23.880 and they're like, oh yeah, that's all he wants to see. 0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:27.480 And it's the fucking doctor. It's the HIV doctor, doctor Tanner. 0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.239 He's ruining all these kids' lives. So then Lisa's dad, 0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:32.200 so they go to the doctor's office. Lisa's dad is 0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:34.640 beating the shit out of the doctor. The doctor's like, 0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:37.359 I want to press charges. Benson's like shut up, like 0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:40.239 what are you talking about. So then Stabler bullies the 0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:42.799 dad like they're in a little He's like, let me 0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:44.760 do my job. It's my job. And the dad's pacing 0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:47.000 around like my wife's gone, Lisa's gone. Who gives a ship, 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:50.239 My life doesn't matter. Sablor's wagging his finger, but you know, 0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:52.879 he gets it. And then Stabler hangs his head low 0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:56.919 and leans on a medical exam chair and breathes deep, 0:46:57.600 --> 0:47:01.719 and then he goes, I've seen a lot. Honestly, I 0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:03.640 think this is the nicest I've ever seen Stabler to 0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:06.160 an adult, Like I think for kids maybe, but this 0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:09.160 was you know, he really is, like I mean, he 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:12.560 relates father. I've seen a lot of good people who 0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:16.640 have lost everything that they thought they had nothing left 0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:19.319 to live for. But you got to keep going. Think 0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:21.879 about Lisa and your wife, what they want to see 0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:25.120 you sitting in prison. You can get through this. And 0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:28.160 he promises to deal with doctor Tanner. Stabler's like, I 0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:30.800 got this, don't you worry. So they have the doctor 0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:36.880 in cement room bars and like Stabler enters with the 0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:40.200 fierceness and energy of ellipsying for your life. 0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:42.480 Like he's He's like, this is my third time on 0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:45.200 the bottom. If I do not fucking get this, I 0:47:45.239 --> 0:47:47.120 am out of here and I need this. 0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:52.520 He's sashe's into that room, and he grabs the guy 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:54.719 by his hair, pulls him up up from out of 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.720 the chair and keeps repeating, how did it feel? 0:47:58.239 --> 0:48:00.400 And he does the classic like she came on to me. 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.480 I didn't know she was fifteen. Again, you're a doctor, 0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:04.640 so that's even crazier. 0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:07.320 And this must be a breakage of some sort of oath, 0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:09.600 you know, one of the oaths that you take like 0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:13.200 it's you're breaking it. Yeah, and he was actual. So 0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:14.960 this is how this all started. He was in town 0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:18.800 for a doctor's convention. She approached him in the hotel lobby, 0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:22.480 said she was twenty one. Again, he had no idea 0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:26.320 full doctor. He also then was like the sex was acredible. 0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:29.600 I was addicted, maybe another word for addicted, hooked hook. 0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:33.759 He denies killing her, and he's like, I don't care 0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:37.239 about the HIV, I don't care about anything. And then 0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:39.839 he's like, I quit my job in Providence just to 0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:42.719 move closer to her. I gave up everything. I gave 0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:46.320 her everything she wanted. I loved her. Sailors like full disgust, 0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:48.359 face like full disgust, and. 0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:49.040 Then looks him. 0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:53.919 I mean, it's like giving the dad in bayn what's 0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:56.920 the bombshell? Bombshell, It's giving the dad in bombshell. But 0:48:56.920 --> 0:48:59.279 at least that was a grown fucking woman. Yes, she 0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:02.600 was fucking her, using you, but she was a grown woman. Yeah, 0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:03.440 oh my god. 0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:07.920 Uh yeah, So I mean he's Stabler leaves in silence, 0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:13.879 cuts to him bench pressing. He's Benson walks in from 0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:14.800 behind the lockers. 0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:17.040 Stabler sits up you know, out of breath. 0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:20.840 His arms look fucking hot, and he's like, times have changed. 0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:24.520 And Benson goes, well, maybe you've changed, and he goes, 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:27.439 maybe that's true. And so then he goes and gets 0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:29.960 some water. He leans on the water cooler, you know, 0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:33.879 iced tea rule of acting lean, baby lean. So then 0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:35.960 Benson says, you have great kids, and he goes, well, 0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:39.359 Lisa's father thought the same, and they had to. But 0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:42.240 they have to let the doctor go for murder because 0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:44.800 his work. Alibi did check out, he was at the hospital, 0:49:45.080 --> 0:49:46.600 but like, can't they just get him on stats of 0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:48.680 shory rape? What's what? What's going on? He admitted to 0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:50.799 dating and moving to be with a fifteen year old? 0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:53.680 Arrest him? How was he back at work just because 0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:57.920 he didn't do the murder? Yeah, that I don't get Yeah, 0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:00.400 I don't get that. Sorry, we've become too inside, Like 0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:03.160 I'm just noticing too many little moments. 0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:05.000 Maybe they like and like. 0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:08.279 You said before, back at work, it's like, no, does 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:10.720 his office not know that he's fucking a fifteen? 0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:12.600 I mean like no, I mean the thing is is like, 0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:15.759 I guess you do you? I guess we did? A 0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:16.200 real kid? 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:18.080 He didn't know. Do you have the defense that you 0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:20.560 didn't know? I mean, this comes in later, This comes 0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:22.480 in later in the true crime a little bit. But 0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:24.600 like if you're just a guy and you have sex 0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:26.120 with a fifteen year old and you're like, she told 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:28.439 me she was twenty one, But that's the patriarchy because 0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:30.719 they know, but you can know that in core, like. 0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:33.520 I get it. I'm trying to think legally, is there 0:50:33.640 --> 0:50:35.479 like is there no? 0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:37.919 Because like she showed me an ID and she showed 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:39.320 me a fake ID or whatever. 0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:42.759 Because remember the case with the NBA player, the Colorado 0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:48.480 one with the double catfish, Yeah, it was she he 0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:52.360 thought she was of age, but he she wasn't. And 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:55.120 when then the pictures of her went out online, he 0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:58.600 was charged like he was taken in or investigated at least. 0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:00.720 For child porn. Didn't matter. 0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:04.080 Okay, I feel like it doesn't matter because if it's 0:51:04.120 --> 0:51:08.719 like you thought she was twenty but then you uh, yeah, 0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:09.240 it doesn't. 0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:10.600 I don't think it matters. 0:51:11.040 --> 0:51:14.439 Yeah yeah, because I also don't know how you prove it. Yeah, yeah, 0:51:14.680 --> 0:51:15.600 prove that you didn't know? 0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:15.920 You know? 0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:19.399 Yeah, I wonder, But Okay, this guy's even crazier Cara 0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:21.640 because then Benson drops it, like you don't know. Benson 0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:25.840 drops the bomb he's married with a kid back in 0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:28.640 Rhode Island, like you know, he had a full family. 0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:32.000 He ditched the family. And then Tanner has become broke 0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:34.319 out there. He ran out of all his money and 0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:36.799 now he's begging his wife to take him back. So 0:51:36.840 --> 0:51:39.279 I hope she doesn't take him back. He's like, I've 0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:42.080 made a huge mistake. He spent all her all his 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:45.399 money on Lisa. Stablor goes, maybe Lisa actually didn't want 0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:48.680 him to go, like, let's go talk to the doctor again, 0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:50.080 like maybe something's going on. 0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:50.279 You know. 0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:52.919 Stabler has his thinking face on, you know, we'll see 0:51:52.920 --> 0:51:55.359 what he's up to. So then but then when they 0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:58.120 get to the apartment to just you know, talk to 0:51:58.160 --> 0:52:02.240 this doctor about whatever was in Stabler's brain, the doctor's murdered. 0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:05.360 No pulse, blood poured out fully out of there. Stabler 0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:06.880 of course goes, Lisa's father did it? 0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:09.640 Who else? So they have the dad in cement room. 0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:12.080 Bars he's denying the murder, but his fingerprints are on 0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:14.640 the doorknob, and he goes, no, I know I went 0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:15.719 there to do something bad. 0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:17.120 He goes I went upstairs. 0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:19.920 Uh, he goes, I just I opened the door, but 0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:22.480 he was already dead, like I wanted to know what 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:24.400 was up. And then Stabler sits down AND's like, listen, 0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:26.719 I know you've been through a lot, and if I'd 0:52:26.760 --> 0:52:28.640 found out that she was with an older man in 0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:31.880 a hotel, I would have shot the bastard too. We 0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:33.560 realized the dad has no idea what's going on, so 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:36.759 that the dad goes, what are you talking about? And 0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:40.360 then starts slowly standing up and is now leering over Stabler, 0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:42.960 who remains sitting and goes, are you saying my little 0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:46.480 girl was a whore? And his golden cross is dangling 0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:48.959 off his neck, and he says Lisa was a good girl, 0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:51.600 and then breathes deep and says he murdered her, didn't he? 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:54.160 And he goes, I didn't shoot him, but I sure 0:52:54.200 --> 0:52:57.279 as hell wish I did. And Stabler truly doesn't move 0:52:57.320 --> 0:52:59.520 at all. He just looks ahead. He doesn't know what 0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:01.400 to do. The closing shot of this scene is like 0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:05.200 ten seconds on Stabler's face mildly moving in different directions, 0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:08.399 and so this scenem's bad. So it's like again, we're 0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:10.919 slipping more information. So the dad just went to talk 0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:13.920 to the HIV doctor to be like who infected her? 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:14.960 Like who fucked her? 0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:17.200 And then the stabler breaks it down and is like, 0:53:17.600 --> 0:53:19.840 oh no, she was fucking that old man in a 0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:20.720 hotel for money. 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:24.400 Yeah, the bad news doesn't end. 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:26.440 You'd think finding out your child's dead would be the 0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:28.600 worst news you got of the week, but it just 0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:30.080 deeps going. 0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:32.879 So no, I think the death. 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:36.440 The death is worse, of course, but okay, so meeting 0:53:36.480 --> 0:53:38.640 in the we're in the meddle. We're in the meddle, 0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:41.880 meet me in the meetle. Okay, we're in a meeting 0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:44.880 in the middle precinct. And they searched the dad. They 0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:47.120 can't find any weapons, there's like no proof he did it, 0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:50.640 but and there are prints from one other unidentified person 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:53.080 in the apartment. So Craigan's like, I still think the 0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:55.520 dad is the best bet and stands no, no, no, no, like 0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:58.400 he did not know. He truly was shocked in cement 0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:01.080 room bars. He doesn't think that dad's the guy. Munchin 0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:04.520 Finn come in. They found a scarf from Saint Tabitha's 0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:05.120 high school. 0:54:05.280 --> 0:54:08.160 Wait if the dad doesn't, I'm sorry, I'm like even 0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:10.840 backing up here, if the dad doesn't know that his 0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:13.160 daughter was fucking the doctor, why was he beating up 0:54:13.160 --> 0:54:14.919 the doctor two scenes ago? 0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:18.480 Oh, he wants to know who gave her aids. 0:54:18.960 --> 0:54:23.280 Gave h Okay, he wants scoop like he's like, help 0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:23.960 tell me. 0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:27.880 Okay, yeah, I got it, got it. I was very confused. 0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:33.200 Okay, it's very confusing, and so it must be Lisa's. 0:54:33.280 --> 0:54:36.120 But Benson goes, no, no, no, I found one of 0:54:36.160 --> 0:54:39.840 the scarfs already in Lisa's classet. She might have two scarfs, 0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:43.759 or it could be someone else's scarf. I also can't 0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:46.439 imagine any police officer being this good at their job 0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:48.840 that they would like be like I've seen the scarf before, 0:54:48.880 --> 0:54:53.680 Like I truly cannot. And so then, uh, there's a monogram. 0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:58.960 What's the monogram AA for Angela agon La the lying salute. 0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:02.080 So the Prince walk Stabler right over to her locker. 0:55:02.280 --> 0:55:04.880 He opens the locker. What is that called? What is 0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:08.000 that thing like that to open a lock? 0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:10.919 Lock? Cutter? Is it just a loutter cut a bolt cutter, 0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:13.319 bolt cutter? So he has a bolt cutter with him, 0:55:13.560 --> 0:55:16.759 you know, stabler with a tool. Okay, the principal walks 0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:17.680 into the locker, he holds it. 0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:22.400 There's a gold, shimmery mini dress and she comes running Angela, Hayden, 0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:24.880 that's my stuff. 0:55:25.360 --> 0:55:26.840 They find a VHS tape. 0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:29.239 That's why you don't say anything to police, because you 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:31.440 just admitted that everything in the locker is yours and 0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:34.000 that's your stuff. So I guess this tape is yours. 0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:36.440 But she's a fit fire and her hair is pushed 0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:38.919 back with a headband. I'm loving the look. I think 0:55:38.960 --> 0:55:41.040 like in the day, she's the head bam schoolgirl. At 0:55:41.120 --> 0:55:44.440 night she's swoop bang slut. So she says, oh, that's 0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:47.480 that's Lisa's tape. Actually, she asked me to hold it 0:55:47.520 --> 0:55:50.120 for her, and Stabler says, well, we're going to take 0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:52.920 a look at it, and then Hayden looks so worried 0:55:54.000 --> 0:55:57.120 and we cut to the tape. It's Hayden and it's 0:55:57.120 --> 0:55:59.239 I keep saying Hayden, Angela. But I have to pick one, 0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:01.080 you know what I mean. I can't say I can't, 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:03.160 I can't keep saying both. I'm gonna say Angela. 0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:05.200 I'm gonna also say I'm gonna also do a little 0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:08.360 really quick Italian lesson Agnelli her last name. That's a 0:56:08.360 --> 0:56:13.840 famous Italian family, but also it means lambs in English. 0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:15.680 So I feel like they do that on purpose, Like 0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:18.160 these aren't little They're supposed to be little lambs, but 0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:18.520 they're not. 0:56:18.560 --> 0:56:22.040 They're slutty sheep. You know they're slutty sheep. Yeah, so 0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:30.120 Hayden and so Angela. So Angela isn't a white button 0:56:30.200 --> 0:56:32.279 down and it's like open a little with a bra 0:56:32.520 --> 0:56:36.080 and a scarf, and she's looking at the camera. There's 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:38.760 like a casting couch behind her. She's not looking thrilled. 0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:42.200 Lisa comes in, starts touching her, she takes the scarf off. 0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:45.480 They're kissing. Doctor Tanner shows up. He's fucking both of them. 0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:48.480 So we have this tape. It's not good. And then 0:56:48.640 --> 0:56:50.120 this is what's worst of all, and it kind of 0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:52.200 goes back to what the principal said, if these kids 0:56:52.239 --> 0:56:54.800 aren't getting attention at home, they'll find it in other ways. 0:56:55.320 --> 0:57:00.319 And so basically they taught They called Angela's parents, they go, 0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:02.680 we'll give you the right to talk to her. We 0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:05.759 actually don't want to interrupt our European vacation. We're not 0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:09.200 coming back. So she has bad parents, even if they're rich. 0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:12.520 What if they're doing like a time sure vacation in Europe? Okay, 0:57:12.560 --> 0:57:13.600 so the fact that. 0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:15.560 They're that rich, but then they would also go, yeah, 0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:17.200 just talk to her that they wouldn't be like we're 0:57:17.240 --> 0:57:20.520 sending our lawyer you know. Ooh, you're right. It's like, 0:57:20.560 --> 0:57:22.439 what's going on? You guys really don't give a shit 0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:23.200 about this girl. 0:57:23.600 --> 0:57:26.880 They really don't. I get yeah. Fuck so whatever. 0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:30.240 It's a three sum and that means that she knew 0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:32.440 about Tanna and Lisa the whole time. So why have 0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:36.080 you not been helping this investigation? And she goes, this 0:57:36.160 --> 0:57:40.080 is humiliating. You didn't watch, did you? And Stabler's like, yeah, 0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:42.960 we did, babe. And they're in woodroom blinds though, and 0:57:43.000 --> 0:57:45.439 she's standing and Benson and Stabler are on either side 0:57:45.480 --> 0:57:47.960 of her, and she's like, I didn't want to do it. 0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:50.160 Lisa made me do it. She begged me to do it. 0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:52.800 She needed money, and we got five hundred dollars each. 0:57:53.320 --> 0:57:56.680 She goes, it's true, and Benson quickly responds, you've lied 0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:58.000 to us about everything. 0:57:58.080 --> 0:57:59.320 Why would we believe you? Now? 0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:02.200 Benson does her voice and goes, we're trying to catch 0:58:02.200 --> 0:58:04.280 the person who killed your best friend, and you just 0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:06.760 keep lying to us. I would have loved just a 0:58:06.840 --> 0:58:09.160 hint of a funeral scene for Lisa, because it seems 0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:12.600 like no one like I just would like something. She 0:58:12.680 --> 0:58:15.040 says she didn't want them to find out what she did. 0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:18.240 Sailor goes, well, what else have you done? She goes, nothing, 0:58:18.280 --> 0:58:20.560 I swear, and then we're like, well what about Lisa? 0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:22.840 And she sighs, and she goes, she made other videos, 0:58:22.880 --> 0:58:25.600 a lot of other videos. She was doing hardcore, she's 0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:28.960 doing porn. She took her friends to the porn store. 0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:31.480 They can't even get into the porn store without these fakes. 0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:33.680 So whatever she shows, she's on the cover of all 0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:37.440 these DVDs. She's a full blown porn star. And she 0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:39.080 was like, we can use the tape of us with 0:58:39.160 --> 0:58:42.280 Tanner as your audition tape. And it's for a guy 0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:45.080 named Max, So obviously we rushed to Max Long's studios. 0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:46.840 He's directing a porno. We meet him. 0:58:46.880 --> 0:58:50.400 He's very focused making this porno. The actors Matt molloy 0:58:50.520 --> 0:58:52.680 and this motherfucker is and everything. He's been working for 0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:55.600 like forty years. He's in every TV show, you can imagine, 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:58.440 every Law and Order spin off every USA drama. He 0:58:58.640 --> 0:59:03.560 was and dropped dead gorge election and armaged it. I 0:59:03.600 --> 0:59:05.280 looked him because like, how do I know this guy? 0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:07.400 And then I saw that the judges and drop dead 0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:09.960 gorgeous too, and I was like, yes, yeah, I. 0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:10.680 Think he's the porno. 0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:12.600 He's the he's the creep, he's the one with the 0:59:12.640 --> 0:59:16.959 tank no, yeah, yeah yeah. And then in Far from 0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:20.320 Heaven he's unfortunately playing the red faced man, so that's 0:59:20.600 --> 0:59:23.800 uh could have given him a name he was in hitch. 0:59:23.920 --> 0:59:24.320 I don't know. 0:59:24.480 --> 0:59:26.280 I just I love this little porn freak in the 0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:29.920 real world. So Stabler grabs one of the DVD's and 0:59:29.960 --> 0:59:32.720 that are stacked up, and he goes this girl Trudy Stroots, 0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:34.160 which is not even. 0:59:34.000 --> 0:59:34.760 A sexy name. 0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:42.880 Trutsruts like she struts, but still Trudy's not like, no 0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:44.280 offense to any truth's out there. 0:59:44.280 --> 0:59:46.880 That's not like a super hot girl name truthy Boots. 0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:52.479 I don't know. Trudy Struts is hard for me. Oh 0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:53.120 my god. 0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:56.160 Okay, so you also think but he's like, oh, yeah, 0:59:56.160 --> 0:59:59.320 that's Allison and they go no, it's not and he goes, no, 0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:02.120 I'm sorry, that's Allison. We have it on file and 1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:04.080 they're like, well, that's a fake, and he goes and 1:00:04.120 --> 1:00:07.040 it's and they go it's child porn, so bump, you know, 1:00:07.320 --> 1:00:09.959 but um but dumb. Okay, So then they ask where 1:00:09.960 --> 1:00:12.240 were you Monday night? He goes filming Wendy does the 1:00:12.240 --> 1:00:15.600 White House on an apartment at eighth Avenue till two am. 1:00:15.960 --> 1:00:17.560 He says, I would have never killed her. She's like 1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:18.280 a daughter to me. 1:00:18.400 --> 1:00:21.440 Oh Stadler's piss spins him around aggressively and goes, you 1:00:21.440 --> 1:00:24.360 get off watching your daughter have sex. He says, she 1:00:24.480 --> 1:00:27.040 wanted to do porn, you know, like she loved it. 1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:29.000 And if you want to talk to anyone, go talk 1:00:29.040 --> 1:00:31.360 to Derek's hand or not me. And they're like, yeah, 1:00:31.400 --> 1:00:33.280 we know about the doctor. He goes, whoa the guy's 1:00:33.320 --> 1:00:35.360 a doctor and they go yeah, and list says HIV. 1:00:35.480 --> 1:00:37.920 He goes, oh my god, not HIV. We have to 1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:40.760 shoot out a cancel production. I got to call my actors. 1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:43.000 We got to get them tested. This is a farce. 1:00:43.280 --> 1:00:45.440 Poorn actors get tested every two weeks no matter what, 1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:47.240 or you can't work. You need clean bills of help. 1:00:47.240 --> 1:00:49.440 They're actually the cleanest people to fuck out in the world. 1:00:49.880 --> 1:00:52.680 So he's lawyered up fast fast, and he's like, oh, 1:00:52.680 --> 1:00:55.120 I'm going to make bail, and you know, his alibi 1:00:55.160 --> 1:00:57.240 does check out, So we're a little worried about that, 1:00:58.000 --> 1:00:59.320 but we're going to figure it out. 1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:00.680 Find something. 1:01:01.280 --> 1:01:04.600 The hospital was actually investigating Derek's billing and he gave 1:01:04.640 --> 1:01:07.560 a bunch of patients fake names and fake social Security 1:01:07.600 --> 1:01:11.080 numbers to treat them secretly, and Long Video was paying 1:01:11.080 --> 1:01:12.160 for the tests and treatment. 1:01:12.280 --> 1:01:13.280 So this guy's lying. 1:01:13.640 --> 1:01:17.440 Max has been paying Derek to secretly like treat his 1:01:17.680 --> 1:01:21.439 HIV positive porn stars without telling the other actors that 1:01:21.880 --> 1:01:23.560 the underage porn. 1:01:23.320 --> 1:01:27.160 People have HIV. Craigan goes and I figure that's also 1:01:27.280 --> 1:01:30.000 how Lisa found out. Like if you're fifteen and you're 1:01:30.080 --> 1:01:33.080 just like hooking up, right, Like, I don't think you 1:01:33.200 --> 1:01:35.360 know you have HIV unless you get tested for it. 1:01:35.360 --> 1:01:37.480 I don't think fifteen year olds are like routinely getting 1:01:37.520 --> 1:01:40.560 tested for HIV. Right, I'm assuming she found out from 1:01:40.560 --> 1:01:42.040 this job, right, what do you think? 1:01:42.280 --> 1:01:43.120 Yeah? For sure she did. 1:01:43.160 --> 1:01:47.080 Okay, okay, but she she's hooked. She can't stop. So 1:01:47.280 --> 1:01:50.360 Craigan is like, stop it. Why would he risked his 1:01:50.440 --> 1:01:54.560 medical career for Max? Long and Benson goes, oh, Max 1:01:54.640 --> 1:01:56.880 was blackmailing him because he knew he was dating a 1:01:56.920 --> 1:01:59.520 fifteen year old, which means Max knew that she was 1:01:59.560 --> 1:02:01.720 a child and HIV positive. 1:02:02.200 --> 1:02:06.280 So say like the amount of red string they must 1:02:06.280 --> 1:02:10.200 have been using on the writer's room board of this episode. 1:02:10.360 --> 1:02:13.640 It is one of the most complex. I mean, Jerome 1:02:13.920 --> 1:02:15.360 Max Tanner the dad. 1:02:15.440 --> 1:02:19.760 We've had like so many fucking bad guys, and I 1:02:19.840 --> 1:02:21.960 still don't even know who knew what when and what, 1:02:22.280 --> 1:02:24.280 like it's anyway going on and it's. 1:02:24.160 --> 1:02:26.440 Still not solved. It's still not solved. 1:02:26.560 --> 1:02:30.800 No, Stablers are like a cool clear map board and 1:02:30.840 --> 1:02:32.760 I feel like they built this just for the shot 1:02:32.840 --> 1:02:34.919 and it's really cool because we get to see them 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:38.200 like work through the glass on this map. They figure 1:02:38.200 --> 1:02:40.440 out there is there's enough time for him to go 1:02:40.480 --> 1:02:44.080 from the shoot to Lisa like that he probably scheduled. 1:02:44.400 --> 1:02:47.320 Wendy does the White House close to the place where 1:02:47.360 --> 1:02:51.800 she was found. Trevor Langen is aka mister Mushko Hargate 1:02:51.920 --> 1:02:54.880 is Max's lawyer, and they walk in cocky. 1:02:55.880 --> 1:02:57.400 They are like, we got it. 1:02:57.480 --> 1:03:00.320 You know. It's Benson and Stabler at their smugginess. So 1:03:00.360 --> 1:03:03.640 they found traces of brushed aluminum in the wounds of 1:03:03.720 --> 1:03:07.840 Lisa's head, which are the same as the tripods you use, 1:03:08.480 --> 1:03:12.200 and the tripod at Max's office had Lisa's hair, skin, 1:03:12.520 --> 1:03:17.720 blood and hair in the screw threads. You're done. You're done, bitch. 1:03:17.880 --> 1:03:20.880 He's still denying and lying. They start throwing down all 1:03:20.880 --> 1:03:23.640 the evidence they have against him. Novak's like, hey, Max, 1:03:23.800 --> 1:03:26.400 follow me. They show him a precinct filled with the 1:03:26.440 --> 1:03:28.800 whole cast of Wendy Does the White House. They're all 1:03:28.840 --> 1:03:32.640 spilling tea. They're pissed that he concealed Lisa's HIV status 1:03:32.640 --> 1:03:35.320 from them. All the porn actors are glaring at him, 1:03:35.360 --> 1:03:38.240 pissed off, and he's like, Okay, I admit I made 1:03:38.280 --> 1:03:40.520 a mistake in Casey goes yeah, and you risk all 1:03:40.520 --> 1:03:41.840 these people's like health. 1:03:41.920 --> 1:03:43.360 That was a huge mistake. 1:03:43.760 --> 1:03:45.640 You didn't want to stop filming, and now they all 1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:49.080 hate you so and then they also all say that 1:03:49.080 --> 1:03:51.440 you used to slap her around to shut her up. 1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:54.320 So and we know that you left the film set 1:03:54.360 --> 1:03:55.919 for twenty minutes the day she died. 1:03:56.200 --> 1:03:57.640 You told her to meet her on the roof. 1:03:57.680 --> 1:03:59.640 You beat her brains out because you knew you would 1:03:59.680 --> 1:04:01.680 be fucked when people found out she was a child 1:04:01.720 --> 1:04:04.840 with HIV and you had her working. Trevor's like, this 1:04:05.000 --> 1:04:08.360 is speculation, and Casey goes, you think, like, dude, you 1:04:08.400 --> 1:04:10.680 think once a jury hears the details of who you 1:04:10.720 --> 1:04:12.560 are in this case, they're gonna be like, oh, we 1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:13.720 have sympathy for this guy. 1:04:13.800 --> 1:04:15.800 You suck. You're gonna lose in court. 1:04:16.160 --> 1:04:18.440 And he goes, that's fine, But I didn't kill Tanner 1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:21.120 and at which I think is an admission to killing Lisa. 1:04:22.320 --> 1:04:25.120 So he but he was at a charity dinner during 1:04:25.160 --> 1:04:26.120 the killing of Tanner. 1:04:26.640 --> 1:04:27.600 This guy, I mean. 1:04:27.440 --> 1:04:33.000 This, this porn light lunatic, this like unethical porn guy 1:04:33.480 --> 1:04:37.640 who's molestor of children and is okay spreading HIV was 1:04:37.640 --> 1:04:40.840 at a charity dinner. What charity I want to know 1:04:40.840 --> 1:04:50.959 what charity dinner he was a part of. Yeah, Oh 1:04:51.040 --> 1:04:53.840 my god, Oh my god. So this is yeah whatever. 1:04:53.920 --> 1:04:55.880 So they arrest him for the murder of Lisa Downing. 1:04:56.280 --> 1:04:59.320 He uh, his face eludes, he's you know, he feels 1:04:59.320 --> 1:05:00.440 just only sorry himself. 1:05:00.440 --> 1:05:01.520 He doesn't care about anyone. 1:05:01.800 --> 1:05:03.960 The dad's in the hallway, I'm like a stabler going 1:05:04.040 --> 1:05:07.439 to tell him another evil thing that. Yeah, that she's 1:05:07.520 --> 1:05:12.760 truly struts. I can't believe, I said, streets, I'm like dying. Okay, 1:05:12.880 --> 1:05:16.520 So he's there to say thank you for finding the 1:05:16.560 --> 1:05:19.200 man who killed Lisa. And you know, I hope he 1:05:19.560 --> 1:05:23.800 remarries one day and yeah, moves moves forward in life 1:05:23.840 --> 1:05:25.280 in a positive way. 1:05:25.480 --> 1:05:26.240 I hope so too. 1:05:26.280 --> 1:05:28.000 But if you're just a trucker and it's you in 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:30.120 the road, I think he might win. 1:05:30.000 --> 1:05:33.040 Some civil he might win some civil lawsuits. 1:05:33.400 --> 1:05:37.280 I think, yeah, yeah, I think he's gonna be able 1:05:37.320 --> 1:05:39.840 to sue the porn guy and the doctor. 1:05:41.400 --> 1:05:43.919 I think he's dead and has no money. Oh, he's dead, 1:05:43.960 --> 1:05:45.040 I forgot already. 1:05:45.400 --> 1:05:47.120 I think he's going to be able to sue Max 1:05:47.160 --> 1:05:50.440 Long in a civil case and get a lot of money. 1:05:50.560 --> 1:05:55.400 Good because I guess the residuals from the Soul DVD. 1:05:55.520 --> 1:05:58.520 I mean, this is a nightmare. Honestly, we just need 1:05:58.560 --> 1:05:59.120 to make sure. 1:05:59.760 --> 1:06:03.400 A plan of how this dad can be Okay, I. 1:06:03.360 --> 1:06:09.520 Want him off the road. Okay, So now what I'm done? 1:06:09.560 --> 1:06:10.240 I am tired. 1:06:10.440 --> 1:06:10.880 Okay, So. 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:16.360 There's still so much more. Craigan called mystery prints from 1:06:16.440 --> 1:06:19.720 Tanner's apartment match the princes that were on the VHS tape. 1:06:20.040 --> 1:06:24.720 Oh my god, Stabler is thinking again. The school bell rings, 1:06:24.840 --> 1:06:27.760 and now we see Hayden Panita and a ponytail Stable, 1:06:28.040 --> 1:06:30.160 I mean a different hair cell and every scene. Stable 1:06:30.280 --> 1:06:32.200 lets her know they arrested Max Long for the murder 1:06:32.200 --> 1:06:34.520 of Lisa. She goes, great, I guess it's all over now, 1:06:34.720 --> 1:06:37.640 no trauma over here. But they go no, he actually 1:06:37.640 --> 1:06:39.880 didn't kill doctor Tanner, and Stabler goes, do you know 1:06:39.920 --> 1:06:43.080 who did? She goes, no, why would I? Stable goes, listen, bitch, 1:06:43.120 --> 1:06:45.400 the tape in your locker. Lisa didn't ask you to 1:06:45.520 --> 1:06:46.200 keep it for her. 1:06:46.240 --> 1:06:50.000 We know you. Stop lying, stop lying, just be honest, 1:06:50.560 --> 1:06:51.400 your your prince. 1:06:51.560 --> 1:06:54.040 There's a gun residue on the tape, and your fingerprint 1:06:54.080 --> 1:06:56.560 is on the residue. You're done. So basically, she went 1:06:56.600 --> 1:07:00.200 to his apartment. She took her father's gun and she 1:07:00.240 --> 1:07:02.680 starts crying. She goes, I asked him for the tape back, 1:07:02.720 --> 1:07:05.120 and a tear rolls down her cheek. He said he 1:07:05.120 --> 1:07:07.200 couldn't hand over the tape because then he would go 1:07:07.240 --> 1:07:09.960 to jail. But all she kept thinking about, like someone's 1:07:10.000 --> 1:07:12.520 gonna see it, and my life's gonna be ruined. So 1:07:12.600 --> 1:07:14.560 she points the gun at him. She you know, he 1:07:14.640 --> 1:07:16.880 tried to grab it, it went off. Stabler looks at 1:07:16.920 --> 1:07:19.880 her with you know, pity, pity on his face. She 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:23.200 hugs him, starts bawling, crying, I'm so sorry. I just 1:07:23.240 --> 1:07:26.200 wanted my life back. Is she a victim or a 1:07:26.200 --> 1:07:27.360 psycho or both? 1:07:27.360 --> 1:07:32.160 I can't I can't tell because is really sweet, like, let. 1:07:32.000 --> 1:07:32.480 Me just finish. 1:07:33.120 --> 1:07:35.080 Yeah, let's just finish. I gotta get this over with. 1:07:35.280 --> 1:07:38.200 So he I love this, but I got to end. 1:07:38.560 --> 1:07:40.680 He cups her head and pats her like a baby, 1:07:40.720 --> 1:07:43.800 saying sh He holds her as she like cries in 1:07:43.800 --> 1:07:46.120 this empty hallway. And I went to the school, I 1:07:46.120 --> 1:07:48.280 would try to be catching a peek. I'd be like, 1:07:48.320 --> 1:07:50.520 the detectives are back, Like I would be. 1:07:50.400 --> 1:07:53.400 Like, can I go to the bath and they're hugging Angela, Yeah, 1:07:53.400 --> 1:07:55.320 I got my period, Like I would be running out 1:07:55.320 --> 1:07:55.760 of class. 1:07:55.760 --> 1:07:56.960 But that's a digital baby. 1:07:57.560 --> 1:08:00.960 I hope that she gets leniency in courts unless she's 1:08:00.960 --> 1:08:02.800 a psycho, and that's where I'm at. But if she's 1:08:02.840 --> 1:08:05.320 like a true fifteen year old who's been like hooked 1:08:05.400 --> 1:08:07.760 out and used and as a tape and like groomed 1:08:07.760 --> 1:08:10.240 by these older men. I hope she doesn't get a 1:08:10.280 --> 1:08:13.160 lot of jail time, but she's rich. Hopefully she gets 1:08:13.200 --> 1:08:13.800 a good lawyer. 1:08:13.840 --> 1:08:14.160 I don't know. 1:08:14.200 --> 1:08:14.760 I don't know. 1:08:15.160 --> 1:08:18.280 I will say like that, why do Why didn't the 1:08:18.320 --> 1:08:21.679 two of them, her and Tanner destroy the tape? 1:08:22.000 --> 1:08:23.840 It's bad for both of them if it gets out. 1:08:24.240 --> 1:08:27.320 Just destroy it together. Why is anyone murdered? Why is 1:08:27.360 --> 1:08:28.240 anyone keeping it? 1:08:28.760 --> 1:08:32.639 Just destroy it, like, sit there together and go, hey, 1:08:33.040 --> 1:08:35.599 Lisa's dead. This is bad for both of us. Let's 1:08:35.640 --> 1:08:39.280 just fucking pull all the tape out. It's not the Internet. 1:08:39.360 --> 1:08:41.879 It's not on the internet yet. You know, we're pre internet. 1:08:42.400 --> 1:08:45.280 We're pre internet right anyway. 1:08:45.520 --> 1:08:48.360 But this is this is all wildly like tied into 1:08:48.439 --> 1:08:50.960 a bunch of different cases. So we'll get into it 1:08:51.040 --> 1:09:00.840 right now. This is kind of nuts. One of the 1:09:00.840 --> 1:09:03.760 first cases that fuck, give me a moment, I got it. 1:09:03.880 --> 1:09:05.719 Remember it's real, Jesus Christ. 1:09:05.800 --> 1:09:07.559 Well it's not. I mean it's not. It's all like 1:09:07.600 --> 1:09:08.559 it's all little pieces. 1:09:08.600 --> 1:09:12.120 But like there was a case that this is loosely 1:09:12.160 --> 1:09:14.760 based on, it seems, and but that is the Christina 1:09:14.840 --> 1:09:18.240 Long case, which you covered when we did Praternity, which 1:09:18.280 --> 1:09:22.120 I believe is season nine about Christina Long was like 1:09:22.200 --> 1:09:24.280 a girl. I believe she was like living in Connecticut 1:09:24.320 --> 1:09:27.280 and she moved there and then she was dating guys 1:09:27.280 --> 1:09:28.680 she met on the internet, and then one of them 1:09:28.760 --> 1:09:31.559 killed her. So it was that's like a semi link. 1:09:31.600 --> 1:09:33.439 But if you want to hear more about that case, 1:09:33.520 --> 1:09:37.680 go back to our episode Praternity. Lisa covers that case. Obviously, 1:09:37.800 --> 1:09:41.880 they talk about sex bracelets, which everywhere you look up, 1:09:41.960 --> 1:09:44.639 you look that up. They are called an urban legend. 1:09:44.640 --> 1:09:47.920 It's the urban legend of sex bracelets. So essentially, like 1:09:47.960 --> 1:09:50.439 different colored gel bracelets have been popular since like the 1:09:50.479 --> 1:09:52.920 two thousands, but in two thousand and three they had 1:09:53.000 --> 1:09:56.439 like a slutty little comeback, and urban legends spread that 1:09:56.479 --> 1:09:58.760 they were part of this like widespread sex game where 1:09:58.800 --> 1:10:00.840 teens would wear the bracelet that corresponded to the act 1:10:00.880 --> 1:10:04.439 they would perform, just like the principal said, yellow hugging, 1:10:04.560 --> 1:10:08.120 purple kissing, red lap dance, which I'm assuming lap dance 1:10:08.200 --> 1:10:11.000 is just like dry humping, blue oral sex, and then 1:10:11.120 --> 1:10:13.960 black intercourse. And it was said also that if a 1:10:14.040 --> 1:10:16.519 guy came up to you and like broke your bracelet 1:10:16.600 --> 1:10:19.400 or like ripped it off you, that's like a coupon 1:10:19.560 --> 1:10:22.200 that they can use later to do that sex act 1:10:22.240 --> 1:10:24.960 with you. And then like a bunch of schools banned 1:10:25.000 --> 1:10:27.559 the bracelets of like schools in Florida, you know where 1:10:27.560 --> 1:10:31.040 they love banning shit. And then people also likened the 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:33.719 bracelet thing to like rainbow parties. Like these parties were 1:10:33.920 --> 1:10:36.240 allegedly girls would wear all these different lipsticks and then 1:10:36.240 --> 1:10:39.320 blow different guys. Honestly, when you look back at it, 1:10:39.320 --> 1:10:41.479 it all seems like satanic panic. It seems like it's 1:10:41.520 --> 1:10:44.240 overhyped hysteria. There wasn't a lot of proof. There weren't 1:10:44.240 --> 1:10:46.000 a lot of kids coming forward going oh yeah, we 1:10:46.080 --> 1:10:47.679 actually did these parties all the time. 1:10:47.840 --> 1:10:50.280 Like did you ever wear those plastic bracelets and you 1:10:50.280 --> 1:10:52.600 could kind of like hook them into each other and 1:10:52.600 --> 1:10:54.160 it looks cooler. 1:10:54.200 --> 1:10:58.960 That kind I wore, like the skinny gel, yeah, skinny gel. Yeah. 1:10:59.400 --> 1:11:02.439 The two thus the three comeback was a lot with 1:11:02.479 --> 1:11:05.080 like the live strong bracelets and like the ones that 1:11:05.160 --> 1:11:09.559 are thicker that you see now it is you know, yeah, yeah, 1:11:09.600 --> 1:11:11.880 so those were like people we were in those colored 1:11:11.880 --> 1:11:14.680 ones as well. But it just feels like there's not 1:11:14.720 --> 1:11:16.559 a lot of proof that these things were actually happening, 1:11:16.640 --> 1:11:18.120 Like there's not a lot of you know, you would 1:11:18.120 --> 1:11:21.479 think there were to at least be like therapists speaking 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:23.439 and being like, yes, my clients are telling me they're 1:11:23.479 --> 1:11:24.800 doing that, like you know, even if there's not a 1:11:24.840 --> 1:11:27.639 bunch of kids running to newspapers going yeah, we did this. 1:11:27.720 --> 1:11:30.280 I mean two thousand and three is like roughly your 1:11:30.320 --> 1:11:33.479 high school time, Lisa, like you you were, did you 1:11:33.520 --> 1:11:35.760 hear people doing this? Like, I just don't think that 1:11:35.840 --> 1:11:37.640 this was like actually done. I think this was like 1:11:37.680 --> 1:11:40.160 a thing that parents were like, people are doing this, 1:11:40.280 --> 1:11:42.400 or maybe it was like a joke that started out 1:11:42.439 --> 1:11:45.600 like what Hayden Pantier's character says, like, yeah, I'm the 1:11:45.640 --> 1:11:47.360 one that started calling them sex bracelets, but it's not 1:11:47.400 --> 1:11:51.160 real anyway. That's a little a little info on that. 1:11:51.960 --> 1:11:55.040 Then this is very interesting. Part of this episode is 1:11:55.040 --> 1:11:57.679 based on this case involving Tracy Lords. 1:11:57.760 --> 1:12:00.759 Now do you know Tracy Lords is? Okay? 1:12:00.920 --> 1:12:04.519 She's like I know her from like cry Baby and 1:12:04.640 --> 1:12:07.360 she had a small part on Melrose Place. Like she 1:12:07.560 --> 1:12:11.759 was one of the first I would say, adult film 1:12:11.800 --> 1:12:15.000 actresses to make it into mainstream stuff that I knew of, 1:12:15.240 --> 1:12:17.479 Like you know, like you everything you knew about Tracy 1:12:17.560 --> 1:12:19.559 Lords when I was like a teen, was like, oh, 1:12:19.600 --> 1:12:22.320 she used to do porn or whatever, you know, And 1:12:23.560 --> 1:12:27.880 essentially this ended up becoming a Supreme Court case, the 1:12:28.000 --> 1:12:33.040 United States versus Excitement Video, which is obviously spelled X 1:12:33.360 --> 1:12:37.240 DASH C I T E M E N T so excitement. 1:12:37.880 --> 1:12:41.880 And initially what happened was this guy named Ruben Gottsman, 1:12:42.080 --> 1:12:45.360 he owns Excite Entertainment and he's making all these, you know, 1:12:45.439 --> 1:12:49.240 adult movies and Tracy Lords isn't a bunch of them. 1:12:49.280 --> 1:12:52.160 And then an LAPD officer and an FBI agent went 1:12:52.240 --> 1:12:56.040 undercover together as retailers who wanted to like buy his videos, 1:12:56.960 --> 1:12:59.080 and they there were like tons of meats. This was 1:12:59.080 --> 1:13:01.280 like a long operation over the course of nineteen eighty 1:13:01.320 --> 1:13:04.479 six and nineteen eighty seven. And then over the course 1:13:04.520 --> 1:13:09.120 of this operation, these officers said that Gotsman admitted to 1:13:09.200 --> 1:13:11.519 knowing that Lords was underage when he had her starring 1:13:11.520 --> 1:13:14.719 in his movies. So in nineteen eighty nine he's found 1:13:14.760 --> 1:13:17.080 guilty and he sentenced to one year in jail at 1:13:17.120 --> 1:13:19.960 a one hundred thousand dollars fine. That doesn't seem like 1:13:20.000 --> 1:13:22.679 a ton, but it is eighty nine. I think before 1:13:23.920 --> 1:13:26.840 the child sex abuse images were like as treated the 1:13:26.840 --> 1:13:28.719 way I think that they are more seriously now. 1:13:28.720 --> 1:13:29.960 So I did not know this. 1:13:30.920 --> 1:13:33.880 So then in nineteen ninety two, his lawyers get it 1:13:33.960 --> 1:13:38.440 overturned on appeal based on the law being vague grammatically, 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:43.360 like the law is about transporting child pornography, is what 1:13:43.360 --> 1:13:45.960 they were calling it at the time, And they use 1:13:46.040 --> 1:13:49.400 the word knowingly, and they were talking about it being 1:13:49.520 --> 1:13:51.680 confusing the way the law is worded, And I think 1:13:51.720 --> 1:13:53.920 that's like what they borrow from in this episode where 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:56.120 the guy's like, well, but I didn't know that, Like 1:13:56.160 --> 1:13:58.360 I got her ID and her idea was on file 1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:01.040 as the right age, and so I didn't. So that's 1:14:01.040 --> 1:14:03.679 what I was kind of asking before, Like even outside 1:14:03.680 --> 1:14:05.920 of like the adult film industry, if you're just like 1:14:06.560 --> 1:14:08.960 dating a girl and she tells you she's twenty one 1:14:09.160 --> 1:14:11.400 and she shows you her ID, and you're like, for 1:14:11.439 --> 1:14:13.960 all intents and purposes, I think she's twenty one, even 1:14:13.960 --> 1:14:15.880 though you and I both know you fucking know she's 1:14:15.960 --> 1:14:19.559 fifteen or sixteen or whatever. What it like legally, what 1:14:19.600 --> 1:14:22.400 are the what is the recourse? 1:14:22.479 --> 1:14:23.840 So I don't I don't really know. I'm sure some 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:24.519 of our lawyer. 1:14:24.760 --> 1:14:27.559 Lawyers will write us and tell us, I'm maybe it varies, 1:14:27.600 --> 1:14:31.799 But so in ninety two it gets overturned because knowingly 1:14:32.040 --> 1:14:34.960 is confusingly worded, they said. But then it goes all 1:14:35.000 --> 1:14:37.639 the way back up to the Supreme Court and it's 1:14:37.680 --> 1:14:41.200 the United States versus Excitement Video was a federal case 1:14:41.200 --> 1:14:45.680 brought in nineteen ninety four in Los Angeles in California federally, 1:14:45.760 --> 1:14:48.400 so it's California, but like it happened in LA and 1:14:49.080 --> 1:14:52.040 they the Supreme Court upheld the original conviction. 1:14:52.800 --> 1:14:55.959 They were like they were basically like, yeah, I guess. 1:14:55.760 --> 1:14:57.800 You could read it as knowingly this way, but you 1:14:57.840 --> 1:14:59.599 could also read it that it is the right way, 1:14:59.640 --> 1:15:01.280 like you could read it in the lawful way or 1:15:01.320 --> 1:15:04.400 the unlawful way. And of course, like Scalia and Thomas 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:06.760 were the ones that dissented because they were like, they're 1:15:06.800 --> 1:15:09.799 all about every word in the Constitution, like being exact, 1:15:10.240 --> 1:15:11.680 and that's obviously what the point of. 1:15:11.640 --> 1:15:13.479 The time until they get paid off and then it 1:15:13.520 --> 1:15:14.280 doesn't matter. 1:15:14.160 --> 1:15:17.040 Right until somebody buys you a fucking buys your kid 1:15:17.080 --> 1:15:19.559 into college, and then you're like, it's actually, there's nowhere 1:15:19.560 --> 1:15:22.000 that it says that I can't do that. But then 1:15:22.040 --> 1:15:24.519 this is like the most interesting case and it's it's 1:15:24.560 --> 1:15:26.960 loosely based, but I think this is like I've never 1:15:27.000 --> 1:15:28.639 heard of this case. I thought it was really kind 1:15:28.640 --> 1:15:30.639 of like neat. So I'm going to talk about this one. 1:15:31.040 --> 1:15:35.000 And this is the case of Bob Crane. And this 1:15:35.120 --> 1:15:37.599 episode is you know, there's a you'll see which part 1:15:37.640 --> 1:15:40.360 I think is based on this. But Crane is a 1:15:40.360 --> 1:15:43.200 guy from Connecticut. He was a radio DJ and a 1:15:43.240 --> 1:15:46.240 personality who interviewed a lot of famous stars back in 1:15:46.360 --> 1:15:49.400 like the fifties and sixties, like Marilyn Monroe, Bob Hope, 1:15:49.720 --> 1:15:53.160 Charlton Heston. And he's on this LA radio station. He 1:15:53.240 --> 1:15:58.519 meets Carl Reiner, who's a TV writer and producer on 1:15:58.560 --> 1:16:01.960 his show, and he gives him apart on some small show. 1:16:02.240 --> 1:16:04.759 Then he gets another part on a show. Then eventually 1:16:04.800 --> 1:16:08.439 he gets cast on the show called Hogan's Heroes as Hogan. 1:16:08.880 --> 1:16:10.680 And this is a show that I used to hear 1:16:10.720 --> 1:16:12.680 about all the time because there is a character on 1:16:12.760 --> 1:16:15.760 it named Colonel Klink, which is not my last name, 1:16:15.800 --> 1:16:17.960 but you can tell that to every math teacher I've 1:16:17.960 --> 1:16:18.439 ever had. 1:16:18.520 --> 1:16:20.920 Like well, and then the Simpsons that's how I know 1:16:21.000 --> 1:16:21.519 most things. 1:16:21.560 --> 1:16:22.519 And they ain't made fun. 1:16:22.400 --> 1:16:24.720 Of this, Oh they made fun of Hogans Well, it's 1:16:24.760 --> 1:16:25.559 actually reference. 1:16:25.680 --> 1:16:27.240 I don't know if it was a full make fun, 1:16:27.280 --> 1:16:28.000 but it was a reference. 1:16:28.080 --> 1:16:31.200 It makes sense because it's kind of wild. Like this 1:16:31.360 --> 1:16:35.479 show came out in nineteen sixty five, so it's twenty 1:16:35.560 --> 1:16:39.720 years only after the Holocaust in World War two and 1:16:39.840 --> 1:16:44.080 this is taking place. This show is about POW's in Germany, 1:16:44.439 --> 1:16:48.639 but it's a comedy, so it's like and a bunch 1:16:48.680 --> 1:16:52.240 of the guys playing the Germans are Jews who actually 1:16:52.479 --> 1:16:54.960 one of them escaped Auschwitz, like he had a tattoo, 1:16:55.479 --> 1:16:58.360 so it's kind of like that. They thought the show 1:16:58.439 --> 1:17:00.240 was really good, they thought it was well read, and 1:17:00.280 --> 1:17:02.040 they were like, we're going to be in this show. 1:17:02.240 --> 1:17:04.000 So it's wild. 1:17:04.120 --> 1:17:07.479 This radio DJ now is the like number one on 1:17:07.520 --> 1:17:10.320 the call sheet for Hogan's Heroes, and I just used 1:17:10.360 --> 1:17:12.240 to hear about it so fucking much because everyone you 1:17:12.320 --> 1:17:14.400 to always go ah, Colonel Clink, and I'm like, it's 1:17:14.400 --> 1:17:17.439 spelled differently, And I'm also too young for that show anyway. 1:17:18.000 --> 1:17:22.000 Crane was also Bob. Crane was allegedly also a sex 1:17:22.080 --> 1:17:23.240 and porn addict. 1:17:23.360 --> 1:17:24.719 Okay, he had. 1:17:25.040 --> 1:17:27.000 A wife and three kids with her, but he had 1:17:27.040 --> 1:17:29.920 affairs with cast mates. He had affairs with people all 1:17:29.960 --> 1:17:33.400 the time. He was like just a perennial woman chaser. 1:17:33.680 --> 1:17:35.760 He divorced his first wife and he married a co 1:17:35.880 --> 1:17:39.439 star named Patricia Olsen, and you know, but he cheated 1:17:39.439 --> 1:17:42.120 on her all the time as well. So he has 1:17:42.200 --> 1:17:44.519 this big role on this show, one hundred and sixty 1:17:44.520 --> 1:17:48.120 eight episodes from sixty five to seventy one on Hogan's Heroes, 1:17:48.320 --> 1:17:50.960 and everybody knew him. But then things kind of slowed 1:17:51.000 --> 1:17:54.320 down for him. Some say they thought that maybe he 1:17:54.640 --> 1:17:58.360 was getting a reputation because he would take polaroids of 1:17:58.400 --> 1:18:00.720 women that he'd hooked up with and he would just 1:18:00.720 --> 1:18:03.320 like show them around on the crew, to the crew 1:18:03.400 --> 1:18:06.120 on sets. And there was a rumor that executives found 1:18:06.120 --> 1:18:08.360 out about this and we're like, get this guy out 1:18:08.360 --> 1:18:10.759 of here. But I don't know, it's also the early seventies. 1:18:10.800 --> 1:18:12.240 I don't know if anybody gave a shit about that 1:18:12.280 --> 1:18:16.240 back then. In nineteen seventy two, Like so, right after 1:18:16.240 --> 1:18:17.960 the show ends, he still got some fame. He took 1:18:18.000 --> 1:18:20.040 his son, who was twenty one at the time, to 1:18:20.160 --> 1:18:22.960 the premiere of Deep Throat, and his son talks about 1:18:23.040 --> 1:18:26.000 how he was so pumped to be around all these 1:18:26.040 --> 1:18:28.400 porn stars and meeting all these porn stars and like 1:18:28.439 --> 1:18:30.720 he was just very into this kind of stuff. So 1:18:31.600 --> 1:18:33.840 after things are slowed down for him, he doesn't really 1:18:33.840 --> 1:18:35.640 have much going on, but he still has like some 1:18:35.840 --> 1:18:37.519 level of fame. So he buys the rights to this 1:18:37.680 --> 1:18:40.840 play called Beginner's Luck and he starts toring around doing 1:18:40.880 --> 1:18:43.200 Beginner's Luck at dinner theaters. 1:18:43.280 --> 1:18:48.320 Okay, and you know that's still a thing. Is dinner 1:18:48.360 --> 1:18:49.000 theater a thing? 1:18:49.200 --> 1:18:51.840 I don't know, because dinner theater was always a thing 1:18:51.920 --> 1:18:54.920 for like old people and you would eat and what 1:18:55.280 --> 1:18:57.599 I mean, I bet it is. But I do think 1:18:57.640 --> 1:18:59.920 it is truly like the depths of Hell because it's 1:19:00.200 --> 1:19:02.040 like people eat it. I mean, I don't know, we 1:19:02.120 --> 1:19:05.200 do our shows while people eat, but it just feels 1:19:05.880 --> 1:19:08.080 like the kind of people you don't feel like, yeah 1:19:08.080 --> 1:19:11.280 you're doing like yeah, you're doing like Death of a Salesman, 1:19:11.360 --> 1:19:13.880 like a monolog and you hear people like scraping their 1:19:13.920 --> 1:19:16.360 fork and knife like on their salisbury steak. Like that 1:19:16.439 --> 1:19:18.760 sounds like I mean in Soap Dish, a movie that 1:19:18.800 --> 1:19:23.120 I'm obsessed with Kathy Moriarty's character classically has to go 1:19:23.160 --> 1:19:26.000 back to dinner theater at the end when when everything 1:19:26.000 --> 1:19:28.200 falls apart for her. So that's kind of was considered 1:19:28.200 --> 1:19:30.080 for a long time to be like the bottom when 1:19:30.080 --> 1:19:31.080 you have to do dinner theater. 1:19:31.120 --> 1:19:32.000 But great question. 1:19:32.080 --> 1:19:33.400 I mean, I don't know, let us know if there's 1:19:33.439 --> 1:19:36.759 dinner theater around you anyone. So he starts touring around 1:19:36.760 --> 1:19:39.599 doing dinner theater and at this play called Beginner's Luck. Now, 1:19:39.640 --> 1:19:41.559 earlier in his career, when he was more on top, 1:19:41.640 --> 1:19:44.280 he had met this guy named John Henry Carpenter who 1:19:44.400 --> 1:19:48.000 was a regional sales manager for Sony Electronics, and he 1:19:48.040 --> 1:19:50.080 had helped a lot of celebrities set up their av 1:19:50.200 --> 1:19:52.800 equipment and stuff at their homes or whatever. And these 1:19:52.800 --> 1:19:55.320 two guys became fast friends because they like to hang 1:19:55.360 --> 1:19:57.320 out at bars and chase babes. 1:19:57.400 --> 1:19:59.160 Okay, they like to pick up women. 1:19:59.640 --> 1:20:03.800 And Carpenter introduced Crane to the world of videotape so 1:20:03.840 --> 1:20:06.360 that he could tape his sexual exploits and kind of 1:20:06.360 --> 1:20:09.240 make his own amateur pornography. And that's sort of where 1:20:09.280 --> 1:20:11.640 like the Doctor Tanner and the tape come in for 1:20:11.720 --> 1:20:16.679 all of this, okay. Carpenter allegedly scheduled his business trips 1:20:16.760 --> 1:20:20.200 around Crane's tour schedule so that they could like make 1:20:20.240 --> 1:20:23.599 these movies together on the road. Like it's unclear whether 1:20:23.760 --> 1:20:26.559 like they would be like fucking in the same room 1:20:26.800 --> 1:20:28.880 or like whether one guy would be in there watching 1:20:28.880 --> 1:20:31.160 and taping it, or whether he would just set it 1:20:31.240 --> 1:20:33.200 up while Crane went and hooked up with these women. 1:20:33.280 --> 1:20:36.799 I don't know, but they were making these movies allegedly together. 1:20:37.080 --> 1:20:39.840 So now in nineteen seventy eight, so if you think 1:20:39.840 --> 1:20:41.680 about it, it's like he's seven years out from his 1:20:41.720 --> 1:20:46.000 big show ending. Crane is living temporarily in Scottsdale, Arizona, 1:20:46.080 --> 1:20:47.400 for a run of the show. At dinner at a 1:20:47.439 --> 1:20:50.920 dinner theater there, and a co star enters his apartment 1:20:50.960 --> 1:20:53.080 because he didn't show up to a lunch meeting, and 1:20:53.120 --> 1:20:57.000 she finds Crane, forty nine years old, dead bludgeoned with 1:20:57.040 --> 1:20:57.559 a weapon. 1:20:58.600 --> 1:21:00.360 There is allegedly like the. 1:21:00.320 --> 1:21:04.040 Head injuries really bad, like his sheets are drenched with blood, 1:21:04.080 --> 1:21:07.240 like it's really really bad blunt force trauma to the. 1:21:07.160 --> 1:21:10.240 Head and there. 1:21:10.479 --> 1:21:14.639 The weapon is never found, but it is believed by 1:21:14.680 --> 1:21:18.120 some investigators to be a camera tripod, much like in 1:21:18.160 --> 1:21:20.280 the episode and elected the episode. 1:21:20.320 --> 1:21:22.519 But I also like, anytime something like this happens, I'm like, 1:21:22.520 --> 1:21:23.639 I feel like I'd hide the weapon. 1:21:23.680 --> 1:21:23.920 Good. 1:21:24.520 --> 1:21:27.080 Yeah, well I can't. No one hide a weapon. I 1:21:27.080 --> 1:21:28.880 don't know, especially in New York. It's like throw it 1:21:28.920 --> 1:21:32.519 off any bridge. It's gone forever, you know. Yeah, I 1:21:32.600 --> 1:21:34.120 kiss the CCT and they did. 1:21:34.360 --> 1:21:36.760 I just like don't get how all these weapons are 1:21:36.760 --> 1:21:37.719 constantly found. 1:21:38.200 --> 1:21:40.960 You couldn't buy a new tripod. Yeah, they find them 1:21:40.960 --> 1:21:44.400 in sewer grades and shit. Yeah it's crazy. But in 1:21:44.439 --> 1:21:47.080 this case, they never found the tripods. Maybe this guy 1:21:47.120 --> 1:21:50.240 did hide it better, but investigators believed it was a tripod. 1:21:50.400 --> 1:21:52.760 There was an electrical cord tied around his neck as well, 1:21:52.840 --> 1:21:54.519 but that had nothing to do with his death, Like 1:21:54.640 --> 1:21:56.960 so maybe the person was trying to make it look 1:21:57.120 --> 1:22:00.720 like something else happened. Scottsdale, aras Zona, at the time, 1:22:00.800 --> 1:22:03.479 didn't even have a homicide department, Like this is nineteen 1:22:03.520 --> 1:22:06.280 seventy eight, so they're in over their heads with this one. 1:22:06.320 --> 1:22:09.400 Like a celebrity has found bludgeoned in their district. They 1:22:09.400 --> 1:22:11.400 don't know what's going on, but they didn't have much 1:22:11.400 --> 1:22:14.320 to go on. Evidence wise either no forced entry, nothing 1:22:14.400 --> 1:22:18.160 is stolen. They do find his videotape collection, which is 1:22:18.280 --> 1:22:22.320 extensive and wild, and that is what leads them to Carpenter, 1:22:22.640 --> 1:22:26.280 who actually had been in Arizona that month to hang 1:22:26.280 --> 1:22:30.240 out with Crane. They eventually search. I hardly can't even 1:22:30.280 --> 1:22:32.960 believe all this. I know they I just don't know 1:22:32.960 --> 1:22:34.599 why I didn't know that. I just feel like this 1:22:34.680 --> 1:22:35.599 is something we would know. 1:22:36.080 --> 1:22:36.320 I know. 1:22:36.400 --> 1:22:38.720 It feels like, well, wait, there's a movie about it. 1:22:38.800 --> 1:22:42.160 Let me get to it. Okay, So they find they 1:22:42.160 --> 1:22:44.920 search Carpenter's car. They find blood smears in his car 1:22:45.080 --> 1:22:48.639 that match Crane's blood type, but there wasn't DNA testing yet, 1:22:48.960 --> 1:22:51.760 so it's like you can't even really prosecute based on 1:22:51.840 --> 1:22:54.439 blood type. It's like blood types are one hundreds and 1:22:54.520 --> 1:22:56.960 thousands of people. Millions of people have every blood type. So 1:22:57.680 --> 1:22:59.920 twelve years later, so the case kind of goes nowhere. 1:23:00.439 --> 1:23:03.839 Twelve years later, in nineteen ninety it gets reopened because 1:23:03.960 --> 1:23:06.240 some new DA or somebody comes in and wants to 1:23:06.400 --> 1:23:09.000 clear all these old cases. And then in ninety two 1:23:09.360 --> 1:23:12.760 they arrest Carpenter. He goes on trial in ninety four. 1:23:13.320 --> 1:23:16.640 Bob Crane's son testifies, Yeah, my dad was trying to 1:23:16.680 --> 1:23:17.439 ditch Carpenter. 1:23:17.479 --> 1:23:18.879 He didn't want to be friends anymore. 1:23:19.240 --> 1:23:22.080 He found he thought he was clingy and he he's 1:23:22.160 --> 1:23:24.120 like my dad called me and told me he wanted 1:23:24.120 --> 1:23:26.200 to like start making some changes in his life and 1:23:26.200 --> 1:23:28.920 that that started with cutting off some of these friendships 1:23:28.960 --> 1:23:31.479 like what he had with Carpenter, like you know, sex 1:23:31.520 --> 1:23:35.120 capaid buddies. The son also claimed that Bob Crane called 1:23:35.120 --> 1:23:38.479 Carpenter the night before that he was killed to end 1:23:38.560 --> 1:23:42.479 the friendship. So investigators and the media starts speculating, Oh, 1:23:42.520 --> 1:23:45.640 Carpenter's angry that like Crane is going to be like 1:23:45.720 --> 1:23:48.080 ditching him and sort of cutting off his supply because 1:23:48.080 --> 1:23:49.680 he got a lot of women by hanging out with 1:23:49.720 --> 1:23:51.439 this like celeb, you know, and he. 1:23:51.360 --> 1:23:52.400 Didn't want that to end. 1:23:52.840 --> 1:23:57.000 So Carpenter's lawyers, though, in court they show proof like 1:23:57.080 --> 1:23:57.920 none of this is true. 1:23:57.960 --> 1:23:59.400 These two guys are good as gold. 1:23:59.400 --> 1:24:02.000 They had dinner the night before the murder together, and 1:24:02.040 --> 1:24:05.360 then the camera tripod theory was just a theory because 1:24:05.360 --> 1:24:07.760 the murder weapon had never been found. They pointed out 1:24:07.760 --> 1:24:10.439 a ton of sloppy police work, including that some evidence 1:24:11.120 --> 1:24:14.760 was lost by the police. Like again, this is they 1:24:14.800 --> 1:24:18.120 are now at trials sixteen years after the crime, and 1:24:18.160 --> 1:24:19.600 they're in a district where that didn't even have a 1:24:19.600 --> 1:24:22.360 homicide department when this happened. So yeah, they fucked up. 1:24:22.400 --> 1:24:24.360 They lost a bunch of evidence. There was like genetic 1:24:24.400 --> 1:24:27.920 material that got lost. They also presented the idea that 1:24:28.000 --> 1:24:31.200 since Bob Crane had filmed so many women having sex 1:24:31.240 --> 1:24:34.519 with them and many of them unknowingly, like to bring 1:24:34.560 --> 1:24:38.400 the word back knowingly or unknowingly, you know, that it 1:24:38.439 --> 1:24:40.160 could have been any of those women that committed the 1:24:40.240 --> 1:24:43.360 murder to stop the tape from getting out a Lah Hayden, 1:24:43.400 --> 1:24:48.800 Pantier Angela Agnelli, so not to mention that each one 1:24:48.840 --> 1:24:51.720 of these women's husbands or boyfriends could also be suspects. 1:24:51.720 --> 1:24:54.719 So they basically just introduced reasonable out reasonable out reasonable doubt. 1:24:54.920 --> 1:24:58.960 Carpenter gets acquitted, and he maintained his innocence until he 1:24:59.040 --> 1:25:01.640 died just four years later in nineteen ninety eight. So 1:25:01.720 --> 1:25:06.000 this case is still unsolved today, which is wild. And 1:25:06.720 --> 1:25:09.080 because they basically went back and tried to test DNA 1:25:09.120 --> 1:25:11.240 once DNA came back in, but they had lost a 1:25:11.240 --> 1:25:14.880 bunch of DNA and they they found some DNA matched 1:25:14.920 --> 1:25:18.240 a male and then other DNA was inconclusive, So it 1:25:18.280 --> 1:25:21.080 doesn't exonerate Carpenter, but it does seem like there would 1:25:21.080 --> 1:25:21.679 have been a maybe. 1:25:21.720 --> 1:25:23.800 I don't even know if they had Carpenter's DNA before 1:25:23.840 --> 1:25:24.639 he died. I think they did. 1:25:24.680 --> 1:25:28.760 They did, but it doesn't exonerate him, but it still 1:25:28.840 --> 1:25:31.960 doesn't solve anything. So eventually this was made into a 1:25:32.040 --> 1:25:36.200 movie called Auto Focus and Greg Kinnear which where the 1:25:36.200 --> 1:25:37.920 fuck is Greg Kenneyer? I feel like he was in 1:25:38.000 --> 1:25:40.519 everything for a little while. So this movie came out 1:25:40.520 --> 1:25:43.960 in two thousand and two, Auto Focus and Greg Kenneer 1:25:43.960 --> 1:25:49.120 plays Crane and Lisa's mom's favorite actor Willem Dafoe plays Carpenter. Okay, 1:25:49.439 --> 1:25:53.200 and guess who plays Patricia his second wife Maria Bellow 1:25:53.400 --> 1:25:56.160 aka Calvin's mom from Law and Order SBA. 1:25:56.240 --> 1:25:59.120 Yeah, so everything comes full circle. 1:25:59.439 --> 1:26:01.400 So I don't know if this movie Auto Focus like 1:26:01.600 --> 1:26:04.400 did well or got anything, but it was basically like 1:26:04.479 --> 1:26:08.160 about this Hogan's heroes Guy Rita Wilson's in the movie, 1:26:08.200 --> 1:26:11.880 Michael McKean's in the movie, like, but it's about you know, 1:26:12.040 --> 1:26:16.559 how this fucking TV star gets murdered and like, yeah, 1:26:16.600 --> 1:26:20.320 his case is still unsolved. So but I mean, I 1:26:20.439 --> 1:26:22.360 kind of believe in the Oukham's razor of it all. 1:26:22.360 --> 1:26:24.360 It does feel like it would have been Carpenter, you know, 1:26:24.560 --> 1:26:27.920 like the most obvious thing is like that, or maybe 1:26:27.920 --> 1:26:31.040 that's Murphy's law, but like it just feels like it's 1:26:31.080 --> 1:26:33.519 probably Carpenter and they just simply didn't have enough evidence 1:26:33.520 --> 1:26:38.639 and the police bungled it. But no, you don't say, yeah, yeah, 1:26:38.720 --> 1:26:44.480 you can't be It's not impossible anyway. That is that 1:26:44.479 --> 1:26:46.280 that is the crimes of Hooked. 1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:50.200 Yeah, it's a lot of It's a lot from the episode, 1:26:50.760 --> 1:26:54.640 but also like such an intersection TV the Holocaust. 1:26:54.720 --> 1:26:58.560 Yeah, and this episode was all over the place, so obviously, 1:26:59.760 --> 1:27:03.519 I mean I wanted to I wanted to know if 1:27:03.520 --> 1:27:05.800 there was like a true story of like high school 1:27:05.880 --> 1:27:10.120 girls like from like you know, sort of participating in 1:27:10.200 --> 1:27:13.880 sex work for clothes or for you know whatever. But 1:27:14.240 --> 1:27:18.200 I guess that might be kind of too vague or 1:27:18.320 --> 1:27:22.240 I don't know if that's I'm sure plenty of girls 1:27:22.240 --> 1:27:22.840 do stuff like that. 1:27:22.840 --> 1:27:24.840 I don't know, I don't know. I was wondering if 1:27:24.840 --> 1:27:25.080 that was. 1:27:25.080 --> 1:27:26.679 Based on like a specific thing, but there was nothing 1:27:26.720 --> 1:27:29.880 I could find anywhere about it, so I'm sure the 1:27:29.920 --> 1:27:31.759 listeners will let me know if that's the case. 1:27:32.120 --> 1:27:33.840 But anyway, we. 1:27:33.760 --> 1:27:37.800 Could interview Hayden Panetare but from Remember the Titans. 1:27:38.400 --> 1:27:40.880 Yes, baby girl. 1:27:41.360 --> 1:27:45.559 Yeah, well we don't have a guest today, so we 1:27:45.600 --> 1:27:53.640 can dive right into the post mortem a lot to say, oh. 1:27:53.360 --> 1:27:55.800 My god, oh my god, oh my god. Yeah that 1:27:55.960 --> 1:27:56.280 was fun. 1:27:56.880 --> 1:28:01.440 Yeah, crazy episode crazy, so many twists, turns, like eighteen 1:28:01.640 --> 1:28:05.360 different little moments clues, like it really is a wild episode, 1:28:05.400 --> 1:28:07.320 and we I think we did catch three plot holes, so. 1:28:07.439 --> 1:28:07.840 I don't know. 1:28:08.120 --> 1:28:11.240 Yeah that's something about us, Like I just don't even 1:28:11.360 --> 1:28:13.680 understand they were, like were they like we got to 1:28:13.720 --> 1:28:17.200 get a certain number of guest stars in this episode, 1:28:17.240 --> 1:28:21.360 like just so many extra characters, so many people, and 1:28:22.320 --> 1:28:23.080 yeah kind of. 1:28:23.120 --> 1:28:25.679 Care at her best. I'm sorry, I like teen sluts 1:28:25.720 --> 1:28:28.479 getting in trouble. I like it the character mean, I 1:28:28.600 --> 1:28:32.439 like babes. Like sorry, sorry that I like teen girls 1:28:32.800 --> 1:28:33.519 committing I. 1:28:33.560 --> 1:28:37.200 Feel like in a weird SB though she is the 1:28:37.200 --> 1:28:40.160 girl that grew up from the episode abuse, like she 1:28:40.439 --> 1:28:42.240 like her parents were in Europe. They go, yeah, you 1:28:42.280 --> 1:28:44.960 could talk to her, like you know, like it altered 1:28:45.000 --> 1:28:48.120 a universe, Like that's just that little girl that was 1:28:48.120 --> 1:28:50.240 obsessed with Olivia and wanted to have a girl's day, 1:28:50.560 --> 1:28:52.960 just like now goes to Catholic school and hooks up 1:28:52.960 --> 1:28:54.120 for clothes. 1:28:54.320 --> 1:28:56.600 Like this is so off topic, Like I don't know 1:28:56.600 --> 1:28:57.960 if it's because it's winter and I've been wearing a 1:28:58.000 --> 1:28:59.920 lot of clothes or like I've been in a rush. 1:29:00.000 --> 1:29:02.000 I don't think I've seen my tattoos in a long time, 1:29:02.479 --> 1:29:04.000 and I'm like looking at the zoom and I'm like, 1:29:04.040 --> 1:29:08.840 oh wow, I forgot look at all those or I 1:29:08.840 --> 1:29:11.880 don't think about it well because sometimes I'm like what 1:29:11.920 --> 1:29:13.479 am I doing? But then I look at them, like, oh, 1:29:13.520 --> 1:29:18.960 my arm looks so cool. I'm like a cool, Yeah, cool, 1:29:19.040 --> 1:29:23.439 that is cool. As Hayden Paneterre, Yeah listen, it sucks, 1:29:23.479 --> 1:29:25.920 but I like the overall lesson And it's like if 1:29:25.920 --> 1:29:28.280 you're if you're not getting attention at home, you're gonna 1:29:28.280 --> 1:29:30.240 get it somewhere else. And it could be just being 1:29:30.240 --> 1:29:33.760 a people pleaser or like grades. You know, there was 1:29:33.800 --> 1:29:36.719 like this one incest case and this is actually happening 1:29:36.720 --> 1:29:41.000 podcast where like perfectionism is also a response to abuse, 1:29:41.200 --> 1:29:44.200 but like maybe not attention that might be different. 1:29:44.280 --> 1:29:45.680 I just I don't know. 1:29:45.720 --> 1:29:48.040 It's just how you can't escape your trauma and it 1:29:48.120 --> 1:29:50.240 manifests in all these different ways. And not to go 1:29:50.320 --> 1:29:53.360 back to our government, but these are like Trump, these 1:29:53.400 --> 1:29:57.479 are maniacs. These like you've seen Trump's Parencylon Musk's parents, 1:29:57.520 --> 1:30:01.200 bad parents, bad Yeah, those psychos, psychos. You can't escape 1:30:01.200 --> 1:30:04.559 the trauma. You got to dive in or you're gonna 1:30:04.600 --> 1:30:06.120 be stuck or evil. 1:30:06.280 --> 1:30:08.000 Like it. It is hard. 1:30:08.040 --> 1:30:09.960 And that episode, that one thing has just stuck with me, 1:30:10.479 --> 1:30:13.519 what an electric episode with that one line, like really 1:30:13.680 --> 1:30:16.880 kind of sick. It sticks with me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:30:16.920 --> 1:30:19.559 for sure. And they didn't get attention for different things. 1:30:19.560 --> 1:30:22.519 One it's like we're poor, who has to work hard? 1:30:22.600 --> 1:30:25.040 The mom's dead, and then the other it's like we're rich, 1:30:25.040 --> 1:30:26.120 we're in Europe, we don't care. 1:30:26.200 --> 1:30:28.960 So it's like I love that too, like I love 1:30:29.040 --> 1:30:30.320 us to be I I do you know? 1:30:30.360 --> 1:30:33.880 We found all these little moments, but like such an 1:30:33.880 --> 1:30:34.639 incredible show. 1:30:35.520 --> 1:30:41.360 Yeah, and wow, like this girl, this little teen, the 1:30:41.439 --> 1:30:45.880 main teen who dies. I mean she goes from hooking 1:30:45.960 --> 1:30:48.120 up with half of of the people on the teen 1:30:48.240 --> 1:30:51.040 dating site to hooking up with older men who are 1:30:51.080 --> 1:30:53.960 buying her stuff to full porn career and she just 1:30:54.000 --> 1:30:56.200 turned fifteen. We got to get her some more attention. 1:30:56.320 --> 1:30:58.400 We need the dad to get another job. He needs 1:30:58.439 --> 1:30:58.960 to stay home. 1:30:59.600 --> 1:31:00.599 But he didn't know. 1:31:00.800 --> 1:31:04.880 That's the whole thing, Like she was duplicitous, is that 1:31:04.880 --> 1:31:07.320 the But I mean her mom, I mean her mom's. 1:31:07.000 --> 1:31:09.439 Death is probably what kicked out all all of this off. 1:31:09.479 --> 1:31:12.599 You know, she's probably just like very traumatized by that 1:31:12.920 --> 1:31:16.360 and then was looking for to fill the void. 1:31:17.479 --> 1:31:20.599 But there's nothing old men love more than a teen, 1:31:20.840 --> 1:31:23.600 so that's a lot of it. 1:31:23.680 --> 1:31:27.760 And Bob Crane, Colonel Roberty Hogan himself Bob Crane loving 1:31:27.840 --> 1:31:30.080 the girls. I don't think he liked him underage according 1:31:30.080 --> 1:31:33.080 to what I was reading. But you know this guy, 1:31:33.360 --> 1:31:36.599 I mean, he had a successful life and then it 1:31:36.640 --> 1:31:39.639 was just his He just liked the women too much 1:31:39.680 --> 1:31:42.600 and it led him to it led him astray or 1:31:42.800 --> 1:31:44.320 I don't know if it led to his ultimate death. 1:31:44.320 --> 1:31:45.400 I don't know what the fuck happened. 1:31:45.439 --> 1:31:47.479 But if you have any tips on the old Bob 1:31:47.560 --> 1:31:52.040 Crane murder, let us know. But anyway, let's uh, that 1:31:52.120 --> 1:31:56.320 was a great episode. Top to your teens. Yeah, let's 1:31:56.320 --> 1:31:58.360 move into our What was Mister peg Do, which is 1:31:58.360 --> 1:32:01.920 our weekly segment where we direct you towards an organization 1:32:02.240 --> 1:32:05.439 or a cause, or a document a documentary something to 1:32:05.439 --> 1:32:08.040 give you more info about today today's episode, We're gonna 1:32:08.040 --> 1:32:11.120 do something a little different today because we got this 1:32:11.240 --> 1:32:16.200 amazing email from two of our listeners named Coco and Quinn, 1:32:16.280 --> 1:32:19.479 who work at the Center for Reproductive Rights. And that 1:32:19.640 --> 1:32:22.360 is a center that is a global legal advocacy organization 1:32:22.439 --> 1:32:25.439 headquartered in New York City that seeks to advance reproductive 1:32:25.520 --> 1:32:28.880 rights such as abortion. And the email that they sent 1:32:29.000 --> 1:32:31.960 us is so awesome. Lizai will forward it to you. Wait, no, 1:32:32.200 --> 1:32:34.439 you got it. You got it as well. She originally 1:32:34.479 --> 1:32:36.120 sent it to you. I don't know if you saw it. 1:32:36.400 --> 1:32:38.760 But bump it up. Bump it up. Yeah, I'll bump 1:32:38.760 --> 1:32:39.080 it up. 1:32:39.400 --> 1:32:42.479 But these girls sent us the most creative email where 1:32:42.479 --> 1:32:44.920 they use like the names of all the episodes, like 1:32:45.240 --> 1:32:47.400 basically it says less than a month in our work 1:32:47.400 --> 1:32:51.439 has already been majorly shaken by the born psychopath in 1:32:51.479 --> 1:32:54.800 the White House. Coco is our dearly beloved social media 1:32:54.840 --> 1:32:58.640 manager everybody follow at repro Rights on Instagram and is 1:32:58.720 --> 1:33:00.760 underwater trying to keep up with the bad news and 1:33:00.920 --> 1:33:04.440 obscene attacks that like, they just used all SVU episode 1:33:04.680 --> 1:33:07.040 titles in the whole email, and it goes on and on. 1:33:07.360 --> 1:33:11.000 Quinn's role is doing global repro research. She can confirm 1:33:11.040 --> 1:33:14.160 that it's literally disturbing how all these anti human rights 1:33:14.160 --> 1:33:16.559 politicians and policies around the world are gaining traction. We're 1:33:16.600 --> 1:33:18.799 terrified that all the progress that has been gained towards 1:33:18.800 --> 1:33:22.400 liberalizing abortion laws will decline and fall in part because 1:33:22.400 --> 1:33:26.320 of the devastating, disappearing act of us AID. So, like, 1:33:26.960 --> 1:33:29.320 it's just this wonderful email, and I like the I 1:33:29.439 --> 1:33:33.200 believe we are obviously a very pro reproductive rights podcast, 1:33:33.280 --> 1:33:35.160 so I wanted to call them out, thank them for 1:33:35.200 --> 1:33:39.080 their email, and send you guys to the Center for 1:33:39.160 --> 1:33:42.960 Reproductive Rights. Follow repro Rights on Instagram and get more 1:33:42.960 --> 1:33:46.720 information about that, because I'm sure that that organization is 1:33:46.760 --> 1:33:49.759 getting hit from all over the place from the fuckings born. 1:33:49.560 --> 1:33:50.599 Psychopath in chief. 1:33:51.080 --> 1:33:53.720 So follow repro Rights on Instagram, like we said, and 1:33:53.760 --> 1:33:57.200 then you can also go to reproductive rights dot org 1:33:57.720 --> 1:34:02.599 to get more information about amazing organization. And again, thank 1:34:02.640 --> 1:34:05.519 you so much to Coco and Quinn for listening and 1:34:05.560 --> 1:34:07.160 for all the work that you do that will be 1:34:07.240 --> 1:34:09.880 linked in our stories the day this episode comes out 1:34:09.880 --> 1:34:12.439 and saved forever on Instagram at That's Messed Up Pod 1:34:12.439 --> 1:34:14.160 in our WWSPD highlight. 1:34:14.880 --> 1:34:17.720 Thank you so much for that, and what do you know? 1:34:18.040 --> 1:34:23.799 Another episode next week Spellbound from season eighteen, episode eighteen 1:34:23.960 --> 1:34:28.599 not about a spelling bee, shockingly about witches or is it? 1:34:30.200 --> 1:34:31.880 We love you guys, We'll see you next week. 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