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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: Hidi only Bill's fans.

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Speaker 3: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you.

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Speaker 2: Happy to have you with us as we are back

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Speaker 2: in studio today on A Bill's players day off at

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Speaker 2: training camp. So back down the through way we came

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Speaker 2: and we're at One Bill's Drive today for today's show,

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Speaker 2: back in studio. Good to be here air conditioned comfort.

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Speaker 2: Not that it hasn't been glorious out of camp. It

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Speaker 2: has up all the gays. Steve was looking for a

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Speaker 2: for a shawl or a pullover sometimes be fine. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why shawl came to the.

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Speaker 4: Out in the sunshine, it was really nice and warm

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Speaker 4: and toasty. Then you get under that shade and the

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Speaker 4: breeze hits you. I was like, wow, it's kind of

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Speaker 4: kind of chill because we're everybody. Everybody's weren't shorts and

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Speaker 4: T shirts and you know, golf shirts. It was. It

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Speaker 4: was kind of chilly in the shade. Very nice.

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Speaker 4: Plus I was drinking cold drinks all day so trying

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Speaker 4: to stay hydrated. Yeah, I got a little cold.

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Speaker 2: So the play the players are off today, but we

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Speaker 2: are here for you and we will get into our

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Speaker 2: topic of conversation, which is an interesting one. We had

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Speaker 2: a fantastic conversation on yesterday's show out of training camp

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Speaker 2: with one Khalil Shakir, uh Bill's second year wide receiver

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Speaker 2: who figures to have a more prominent role in this

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Speaker 2: year's passing game. Second hour of the show today, we

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Speaker 2: will be talking with a former Bills receiver who was

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Speaker 2: work working with him in training this offseason down in Charlotte.

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Speaker 2: The one and only Eric Moltz will be joining us

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Speaker 2: in the second hour of the show to talk about

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Speaker 2: the work he got done with Khalil Shakir and how

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Speaker 2: much more prepared he is for his second professional season

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Speaker 2: with the Bills. So we look forward to that conversation

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Speaker 2: in our number two and we'll be talking. We'll be

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Speaker 2: talking heavy receiving corps today for the Bills as our

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Speaker 2: show topic of discussion. We'll get to that in just

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Speaker 2: a little bit. Steve, I know, for the most part,

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Speaker 2: you're kind of going back and forth to training camp

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Speaker 2: every day. You're racking up miles on your car. I've

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Speaker 2: stayed over a few times, not every night, but probably

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Speaker 2: more than half of the nights out there. I gotta say, like,

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Speaker 2: there's a fair number of people that I know that

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Speaker 2: live in Buffalo commute to Rochester for work and vice versa.

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Speaker 3: You know, live in Rochester commute to Buffalo for work.

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Speaker 2: And look, I don't mind the drive in the summertime, right,

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Speaker 2: But I'm on that throughway the other day going out

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Speaker 2: to camp and I'm thinking to myself, for the people

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Speaker 2: that do this five days a week, what is it

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Speaker 2: like in the winter, Like, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: when the snow's flying. I mean, look the Thruway is

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's been recently paved. The road's great. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's great, but still driving when the weather's hairy out there,

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Speaker 2: like every day to work and having to concentrate for

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Speaker 2: you know, an hour and fifteen hour and twenty minutes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't know. It just adds to a podcast.

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Speaker 4: You're all right, it's not a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I guess I will say that podcast doing a good time.

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Speaker 4: It really has. And I'll say this too, that the

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Speaker 4: more it's like anything, the more you do it, the

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Speaker 4: more routine it becomes. You just tick the miles off,

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Speaker 2: I guess, I mean, I guess it becomes routine after

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Speaker 2: a while, as you say so, But I thought about

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Speaker 2: that the other day. I was like, there are people

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Speaker 2: that's that takes some doings testimal fortitude.

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Speaker 4: Well, plus it's an expense too. It's not cheap that

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Speaker 4: that all the time. And it's you know it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: people make some just I don't know who we can

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Speaker 4: have a contest, you know in the off season. Maybe

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Speaker 4: Sto has the longest came now, Yeah, but who has

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Speaker 4: made ever made some decisions about their life and really

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: That's people do that.

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Speaker 2: And for all I know, it might be even easier now,

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Speaker 4: We you know, we did this show remotely for almost

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Speaker 4: Yes, it had to be August, so I had to

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Speaker 4: count my fingers there mental math. Yeah, it was five

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Speaker 4: and that's when you know, camp started and they started

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Speaker 4: doing the weird protocols that they had in place. Right,

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Speaker 4: What a gargantuan effort it was. During with all the

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Speaker 4: restrictions that we're on, they got an NFL season in Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't miss that though.

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Speaker 2: That was That was odd, awkward, odd, strange, unusual.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we all adjusted and did our best with it,

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Speaker 4: How do we get on this?

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Speaker 3: We're talking about community community.

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Speaker 4: We're five minutes into the show that came.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know, it's okay to be in the winds

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Speaker 2: every once in a while. But yeah, but it's not

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Speaker 2: a bad thing.

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Speaker 4: Training camp is. I'll say this, I told you this today.

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Speaker 4: I was thinking about this the other day. People say, well,

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Speaker 4: gonna go away to camp? He got got And I'll

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Speaker 4: say this. People say, well, it's good for the team,

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Speaker 4: it's best for the old guys on the team to

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Speaker 4: go away for training camp. The veterans. The rookies don't care.

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Speaker 4: on to one. So it's get the veterans out of there.

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Speaker 4: You got to take them out and so they can

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Speaker 4: actually focus on football because they are immerse them in it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: most of them. And we did and we did this

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Speaker 4: So uh, it for the veterans, they you can't let

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Speaker 2: Extra time spent with teammates off the field. Yeah, because

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Speaker 2: I think it is important for the veterans because the

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Speaker 2: veterans are really the ones who have to get to

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Speaker 2: know the new guys. New guys might not make it,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Your star guys happen to

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Speaker 2: be forced. You got it, all right, guys, Let's get

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Speaker 4: They can help us win. It's really important. So I'm

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Speaker 4: I'm a big proponent of the Rochester thing, even though

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Speaker 4: I got to drive, you know, a couple hours a

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Speaker 2: Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean subscribe to the value that

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Speaker 2: it offers their team, and you know, the camaraderie, the

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Speaker 4: They the results are with theirs that I mean this is.

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Speaker 2: They're one of only two teams in the league with

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Speaker 2: at least ten wins in each of the last three seasons.

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Speaker 4: If they think it's important, you know, they're they're getting

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Speaker 4: results for it, So they're gonna They're gonna keep doing

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Speaker 4: only two people who like going to Rochester. It's Brandon

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Speaker 4: And I don't even know if it's Brandon. Brandon might

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Speaker 2: Speaking of training camp, as we mentioned today an off

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Speaker 2: they'll be back out at Saint John Fisher practicing with

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Speaker 2: coming back to Orchard Park where they will have their

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Speaker 2: Return of the Blue and Red practice slash scrimmage. I

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Speaker 2: have some extended team segments because that is the practice

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Speaker 2: where Sean McDermott likes to replicate a game day at

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Speaker 2: all the elements of the run up to a game

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Speaker 2: the Blue and Red practice. To my knowledge, all the

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Speaker 2: that gets going. That's an evening practice five point thirty PM,

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Speaker 2: so we look forward to that at the end of

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Speaker 2: the week. Did you notice anything different across the way

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Speaker 2: construction wise, Steve, the piles are getting bigger.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks dirt. First of all, they're mining copper

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Speaker 4: over there. It's a strip mine. It's huge. It's huge,

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Speaker 4: and they're starting to get levels of like they have

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Speaker 4: an outer embankment that goes down about ten feet, and

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Speaker 4: then there's a ledge. Then it goes down the rest

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Speaker 2: I did talk to one of the construction guys at

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Speaker 2: I don't know. You you haul it away somewhere.

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Speaker 4: Steve Kyle Trash, he's in the He's in a competition

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's probably legit. Baker's Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I really wonder which quarterback the Bills

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Speaker 2: We could find out Baker Mayfield wins the job week one,

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Speaker 2: They now that that is a good bet.

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Speaker 4: I was coming up, I thought that is the I've

437
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Speaker 4: got to, Yeah, I've got to. I thought I had

438
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Speaker 4: to get his He's not a big man, think and

439
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 4: strong as I possibly could, and you know, you do

440
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 4: the best you can, and I figured that would be

441
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 4: a given. I don't know why why he's like waiting

442
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 4: for his third or fourth year in the league to

443
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 4: figure that out. I mean, what's he you know, what's

444
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 4: he been doing?

445
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Speaker 2: I mean he's listed at six ' one two twenty

446
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Speaker 2: seven to twenty seven.

447
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 4: That's that's thick.

448
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: I'm is thick.

449
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 4: He's no, not at all. I would see six one.

450
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Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm buying that.

451
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 4: He might be.

452
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: Maybe inats he might be.

453
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just saying it's his fourth year. Why

454
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 4: did you know? Why? Why? Now? Why? And maybe he's

455
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 4: been trying to do it for a couple of years

456
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 4: and now it's making some progress. I don't know, maybe,

457
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 4: and I have a hard time thinking that they didn't

458
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 4: see this. He couldn't see this coming, you know, I mean, what,

459
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 4: uh what else was he doing in the off season?

460
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Speaker 3: I hope he was throwing, right.

461
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 4: Well, that's it. Was he throwing? Was he lifting?

462
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: Was he he was lifting weights and taking And there's no.

463
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 4: And to me, you're he's right. There is for and

464
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 4: for most any quarterback out there, and Josh included. I

465
00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 4: would tell Josh, You've got to wear the biggest, strongest,

466
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 4: best helmet prevention money can you can get. Always take

467
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 4: the biggest and back. I don't care if it makes

468
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 4: you look funky or funny on the feet. You got

469
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 4: to use it. It's crazy not to use the biggest,

470
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 4: fattest helmet you can get.

471
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: There is one bit of Bill's news that are around

472
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: the NFL segment here. Von Miller provided an update on

473
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: his status on his Instagram page with a video of

474
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: him going through a pass rush drill, and he basically

475
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: posted the words on the image that said the following

476
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: I'm close, with an emoji making the sh gesture.

477
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 4: He ain't gonna be able to eat that quiet.

478
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: Well, that's right, but let's let's let's gather all of

479
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: what we know together here, Okay, in the last week,

480
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 2: because back in June he said I'd like to be

481
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: ready for week one, definitely, no later than week six,

482
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: you know, And I got to talk to the doctors

483
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: and the trainers about it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

484
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: And then Brandon Bean in a national interview I think

485
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: it was either early this week or late last week,

486
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: when asked if Vaughn could play in week one, he said,

487
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: quote definitely a possibility, which seemed like stronger language indicating

488
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: that there is actually serious consideration now that he could

489
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: play week one. And now we get this Instagram post

490
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 2: from Vaughn saying I'm close. We're still more than a

491
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: month away from the opener, yeah, and he's saying I'm close.

492
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: I will say this one thing to throw in here.

493
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Speaker 3: I'm not thrilled.

494
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 2: About the MetLife Stadium turf. Yeah, coming off in ACL

495
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,239
Speaker 2: Is that the first game you want him in? I mean,

496
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: it's an important game, don't get me wrong, it's a

497
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 2: division game. You're setting the tone for the season. But

498
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 2: do you want to put a guy coming off acl

499
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: surgery on. I mean, anybody can get hurt on that turf.

500
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: I get it right. You know what I'm saying though,

501
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: that that turf there at Medlife does not have a

502
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: great history.

503
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Speaker 4: I'll say this. Here's yes, You're right, and that is

504
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 4: a consideration. I think they'll take very I think the

505
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 4: club will consider that very great at a high degree,

506
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 4: whether or not to play him on that surface.

507
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: They replaced the turf for control rooms, telling us they

508
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: just replaced it at Medlife this offseason.

509
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 3: Maybe that makes a difference.

510
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 4: Maybe. Maybe Here's the other thing. I said this yesterday.

511
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 4: We're gonna get a heads up when Vaughn's ready to play.

512
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 4: He's gonna practice for a week. He's gonna be taking reps.

513
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 4: He's gonna be out there and shoulder pads and helmets.

514
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 4: He's gonna start practicing. There's gonna be a big run up.

515
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 5: To this.

516
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 4: That has not started yet. So because of that, I'm yeah,

517
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 4: he may. But we're forty days away from kickoff for real,

518
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 4: for real, so and forty days a long time. Yeah,

519
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 4: you know how many forty seven?

520
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 7: What is that?

521
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 4: Five weeks and some change?

522
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: Almost six five weeks five days.

523
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's a long time and he could be

524
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 4: ready for that, you know, given what we've seen him

525
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 4: doing on the side.

526
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 5: I don't know.

527
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: Do we find the numerology interesting? You know, this post

528
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: comes out, I'm close. We're forty days from the opener,

529
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: and that's his jersey now.

530
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 4: The only that's the only reason I know is forty

531
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Speaker 4: somebody put it up there. We're you know, they've been

532
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 4: doing the jersey and things. I said, So we're forty

533
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 4: days away. It probably is on this at this point,

534
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 4: six weeks away a possibility. But let's make no mistake.

535
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 4: He's gonna have to hurry, and that that's what you

536
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 4: start wondering.

537
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: About it, and you don't want to hurry that exactly

538
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 3: want to do that.

539
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 5: All right.

540
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 2: That's around the NFL presented by Kalida Health, the official

541
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 2: healthcare system of the Buffalo. Bill's topic of discussion for

542
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: you today involves the bills wide receiving core. How will

543
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: this year's receiving core be different? And we're kind of

544
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: anticipating for the better, So how do you think this

545
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:28,239
Speaker 2: year's receiving corp will be different and presumably better than

546
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: even than it was even last year, So you let

547
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 2: us know at eight oh three five point fifty one

548
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: eight eight eight five fifty two five point fifty the

549
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: numbers to call, because I think, as Steve mentioned on

550
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: the show yesterday, and as we discussed with Khalo Shakir

551
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: when we had him on the air on our show,

552
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: it's only three returning receivers from last year's team, Shakir,

553
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: Diggs and Davis. Everything else has been turned over, I

554
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: think even as far as well, maybe with one exception,

555
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: Keishawn Johnson and Isaiah Coulter were here on the practice

556
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 2: squad for a stretch, if not the whole season, so

557
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: they've been kind of in the mix, so to speak.

558
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: But besides that, the rest of the receiving group is

559
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: completely new to Buffalo, so it's going to change in

560
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: some way, shape or form. How do you think it

561
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: will manifest itself on the field being different, You let

562
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 2: us know at eight h three oh five fifty. Got

563
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: an open line for you there one eighty eight five

564
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: fifty two five point fifty, or you can hit us

565
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: up on the tweet sheet at one Bill's Live. Let's

566
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: go to the phones, and who's leading us off today?

567
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: Looks like it's Jack in Buffalo. What do you got

568
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: for us?

569
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Speaker 7: Jack?

570
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: You're on one Bill's Live.

571
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Speaker 8: Hi guys, nice talk to youa Steve. Just want to

572
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 8: tell you when you're talking about your family, my son

573
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 8: played with your your boy Luke out at South Buffalo

574
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 8: Greace family. I had a chance to meet you a

575
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 8: few times, but I didn't want to bother you because

576
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 8: everybody was kind of well. I just to get to

577
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 8: my question. Leslie Fraser took the year off. I'm just

578
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 8: wondering it was odd to me if he was if

579
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 8: he did that on his own, or maybe he was

580
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 8: kind of pressured because that Kansas City game the thirteen

581
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 8: seconds and then losing the Cincinnati in the Minnesota game

582
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 8: where you have a pocket passer that can't run and

583
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Speaker 8: we're not blitzing and they come back from seventeen points.

584
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Speaker 8: And two or three weeks later I seen them Minnesota

585
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 8: play and once I don't know who they I can't

586
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 8: remember who they played, but they blitzed the heck out

587
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 8: of them.

588
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: And it was it was the Giants in the wild

589
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: card game, okay, because they got Wink Martindale as a

590
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator and that's his m They were the number

591
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: one blitzing team in the league.

592
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 8: Well, I just say that. I mean, if we would

593
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 8: have put that kind of pressure on him, I don't

594
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 8: think he would have had that kind of time to

595
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 8: do what he did to come back from seventeen points down.

596
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 8: So I just want to know your thoughts. Thanks gentlemen,

597
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 8: and give Loop my best and your family.

598
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 4: Thanks. Jack appreciate it. Yeah, there's a lot in that.

599
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 4: I don't know that.

600
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: I don't think we'll ever know that.

601
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what we're going to find out

602
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 4: about Leslie Fraser taking a year off before this season.

603
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: But you talk about the Minnesota game, don't get me started.

604
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 4: Leslie Fraser is not the guy who If Josh and

605
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 4: Mitch Morris could exchange get one snap without fumbling it,

606
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 4: the game's over. If Cam, if Cam Lewis or Cam, Yeah,

607
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 4: Cam Lewis could just knock the ball away instead of

608
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 4: helping Justin Justin Jefferson catch it on a fourth and eighteen,

609
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 4: the game is over. If Devin Singletary doesn't cough the

610
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 4: ball up coming out of the their own end, game

611
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 4: is over.

612
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: And if Josh doesn't throw it.

613
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 4: If Josh doesn't.

614
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: Throw at the end, of the game.

615
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 4: If Josh doesn't throw it pass at the end of

616
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 4: the game in the end zone, if you just tell

617
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 4: the other he just takes the check down game, the

618
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 4: game could be over. So there's there's a lot of

619
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 4: people have their hands dirt to that Vikings game.

620
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: They frittered that one.

621
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 4: They they absolutely gift wrapped it, gift wrapped it up

622
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 4: by seventeen at the start of the fourth and they

623
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: lose it in overtime.

624
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: It was a It was an uncommon year for the Vikings,

625
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: who led the league with ten one score victories, including

626
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: several come from behind wins. One in fact, that set

627
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: the record for the largest comeback in the league history,

628
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: breaking the comeback game you guys had in the playoffs

629
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: against the Oilers. They were down thirty three nothing to

630
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: the Colts and won that game. I want to say

631
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: it was thirty nine thirty six was the final something

632
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: like that. So yeah, I think the Vikings are going

633
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: to drift back to the mean this year because they

634
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: had uncommon good fortune. Now look, I'm not taking anything

635
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: away from they had to make all those plays to

636
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: win all those games. But anyone who covers this league

637
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: or or coaches or plays in this league will tell

638
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: you that is beyond highly unusual to see a team

639
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: do that ten times in one season. So I think

640
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: they're going to drift back to the mean a little

641
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: bit more and not you know, not be what were

642
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: they twelve and five, thirteen and four, something like that.

643
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: I don't anticipate that. For the Vikings, there's this year.

644
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 4: There's no way.

645
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: How will this year's receiving corps be different? You let

646
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: us know for the Bills at eight h three zero

647
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: five to fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two

648
00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: five fifty number to get on board.

649
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: We heard Khalil Shakir.

650
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 2: Talking to us yesterday on the show, and it's his

651
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 2: contention that they will be better after the catch in

652
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: terms of gaining more yardage. It has been a point

653
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 2: of emphasis pretty much for the last two off seasons,

654
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: and they had a limited degree of success in increasing

655
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: that number last season. I think it will be better

656
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: this season because I think what will be different, Steve,

657
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: this is a faster receiving corps than ones we've seen.

658
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: I think Hardy's faster than Mackenzie, certainly has more deep

659
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: speed than him. Sherfield can run that guy outraced one

660
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: of the best defenses in football last year for a

661
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: seventy five yard touchdown, and it was a five yard

662
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 2: pass and he ran away from the San Francisco forty

663
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: nine ers defense, which was like tops in the league

664
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: in a bunch of different categories. And then you and

665
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 2: I noticed this on the practice field. Gabe Davis looks faster.

666
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: I don't know what work he put into his legs

667
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: this offseason, but he looks more explosive. And Shakiro told

668
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: us himself, and we'll hear from Eric Moles on this

669
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: in the second hour. Shakier worked with Eric Moles all

670
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: off season to get a to have a better get

671
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: off at the line and maintain top speed through the

672
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: stem of his routes so he can get more yards

673
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: after catch. So it's obviously something that a lot of

674
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: the players themselves are focused on. You have to imagine

675
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: that filtered down from the coaching staff and they've added speed.

676
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: They just added more speed the other day with Andy Isabella.

677
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 4: Now is he gonna make the roster, I don't know,

678
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 4: but it's an uphill climb. Yeah, but still he's not

679
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 4: going to make it as a receiver. He'll make it

680
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 4: as a return as a returner.

681
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but speed, I think is going to be a

682
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: noticeable difference with this receiving core speed and size and

683
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 2: size correct.

684
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 4: So we'll see. You know, Hardy's are certainly not a

685
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 4: part of that, but the other guys are. And we

686
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 4: have yet to see what these guys looked like. And

687
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 4: I know you're gonna start hearing rhetoric about where they're

688
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,479
Speaker 4: gonna be ready to you know, practice against somebody else,

689
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 4: and there is something a lot in that. But we'll

690
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 4: see how it shakes out. But you're right, I see

691
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 4: a lot in Gabe Davis this year. I see a

692
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 4: lot in Rousseau this year. Even at Oliver, you know

693
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 4: there was there's some people who you know, thought Ed

694
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 4: always gonna sign this. He signs his extension. People think okay,

695
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 4: that he's gonna like take it out of gear with

696
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 4: it not so fast. He's actually Ed actually is playing

697
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 4: like he's happy, you know what I mean. He's got

698
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 4: some exuberance to him. He's always been a twitchy guy,

699
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 4: kind of an explosive athlete, but he seems focused and

700
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 4: rejuvenated this this at this camp. Certainly, it's it's hard

701
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 4: to because I have to think about. We see these

702
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 4: guys a lot, you know, we watch them practice, we

703
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 4: watch them kind of in off moments and all that stuff.

704
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 4: So the last time we saw him was at the

705
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 4: end of the season when they were practicing. It was

706
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 4: a big cloud over everybody's head about Damarrow and you

707
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 4: know all of that stuff. The season just is like

708
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 4: the lights went out. So I'm trying to remove that.

709
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 4: And because it is a huge contrast for a lot

710
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 4: of these guys putting them into this camp, whether there

711
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 4: are eight or nine months later, they're just different guys.

712
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 4: Tredavious Rousseau, Gabe Davis, Oliver, you know, even Jordan Phillips,

713
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 4: who you know, it seems he's not even practicing and

714
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 4: just seems like he is a whole different aura for

715
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 4: some of these guys from where they were the last

716
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 4: time we saw him. But I'm trying to take the

717
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 4: tomorrow thing and the end of the season out of it.

718
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 4: I'm I'm really excited about watching these guys compete against somebody.

719
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 4: I want to see a game. I can't wait to

720
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,959
Speaker 4: see a game, because if you spend it positive this,

721
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 4: this thing could go crazy. They're gonna be crazy, you know.

722
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 4: And the negative. I don't know, the negative, not the

723
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 4: it's not the downside we used to live with in

724
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 4: the drought. You know, even if they're not even they

725
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 4: end up the season like they did finished last year,

726
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 4: they're winning games. So, uh, there's a lot in this

727
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 4: that's it's fun to be excited about because you've got

728
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 4: some guys who seem different this year, some some core

729
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 4: guys Gabe Davis, Rousseau, Oliver.

730
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 2: Even when we're talking to Josh, like he's talking about

731
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: the work it win it, that whole motto.

732
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 4: The whole thing. There's a lot in this and it's

733
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 4: gonna be fun to see it manifest itself.

734
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this team doesn't mind working and they're working.

735
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it's you mentioned size in the

736
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: receiving corps that is noticeable. You just watch that position

737
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: group line up for individual position drills. It's like where

738
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: do they get all these trees? And you know, talking

739
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: to some people in the organization, they said, you know,

740
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: there's there are many layers to adding size to your

741
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: receiving corps. Number one, you have the potential to be

742
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: more physical unit, potentially a better run blocking unit. As

743
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 2: a receiving corps, which we know is important to coach

744
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: McDermott and the offensive staff.

745
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: And then it's a bigger.

746
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: Catch radius for your quarterback. So you think about all

747
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: the ways in which a football team tries to reduce turnovers,

748
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: particularly after a year where they were near the top

749
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 2: of the league in that category. They added two running

750
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 2: backs who never fumble, right, They're adding receivers with bigger

751
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 2: catch radiuses, they're getting one of the most they drafted

752
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: one of the most sure handed tight ends in the

753
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 2: college ranks in the last decade. Yeah, so add it

754
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: all together and there's a theme there ball security. After

755
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: a twenty seven turnover season last year, cut and I've

756
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: heard you say this, You cut those turnovers in half

757
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: to like thirteen or fourteen, team might have only one loss,

758
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: not three.

759
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: I mean that big.

760
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: I mean we don't need to go into how big

761
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: a difference maker turnovers are. They're one of the biggest

762
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: swings in a football game that you could come up

763
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: and drops second and drops well again, wider catch radius. Yeah,

764
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: the two biggest problems were drops and turnovers last year.

765
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: They're looking to eradicate both of those.

766
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've there's a lot of things that and I

767
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 4: know a lot of it. We spew out a ton

768
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 4: of statistics and we're about ready to go to break.

769
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 4: But we had a ton of statistics. And we were

770
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 4: talking about this today when we're getting ready for the show,

771
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 4: and I said, you know why all these everybody seems

772
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 4: to be thinking about the same things all at once,

773
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 4: And it's like this running back class issue. Nobody nobody

774
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 4: wants Zekil Elliott, Jonathan Tator, Calvin Dalvin Cook, the guy

775
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 4: from Vegas, Josh Jacobs, Yeah, Saquon, nobody's touching those guys.

776
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 4: And I'll say, you know why I don't want to.

777
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 4: It's analytics. Everybody's finding the same thing out at the

778
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 4: exact same time. They're like, you know what, look at this,

779
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 4: look at these numbers here. We don't need we don't

780
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 4: need this or that or that. Let's you know, they

781
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 4: all see it at the same time, and they're like, going,

782
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 4: no more on the running back thing. Get guys like

783
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 4: this at this level and this and this and this,

784
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 4: and if you can get those guys, we can find.

785
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 3: Something comparable here for one quarter of the price.

786
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 4: We're not Yeah, and if you're not gonna give one

787
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 4: guy the ball, twenty five times a game. Anyway, who

788
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 4: cares get three of them and have one guy return,

789
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 4: have one guy you know, catch one guy. Yeah, one

790
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 4: guy played third down, one guy pass protect whatever. You know.

791
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 4: I'm analytics has a lot to do with it because

792
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 4: they find it. They get to these and you've heard

793
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 4: them talk about it. They try and stay up on

794
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 4: the trends or where's they really where's the league headed?

795
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: Where are we going? And they all find out the

796
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 4: same thing at the same time. It's like all the

797
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 4: running backs kick curb stomped, you know, that's what it is.

798
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: It's definitely amazing something.

799
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 4: Because they all they're all doing the same thing out

800
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 4: of the blue.

801
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: I think, yes, it's analytics, but I think those analytics

802
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: are convincing, right, do you know what I mean? Like

803
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: it's it's not even a debate, right, Like the analytics

804
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: say this unequivocally. And I think that's why as a

805
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: league we're seeing what we're seeing in terms of we're valuing.

806
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 4: It fourth and a half yard.

807
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: It's not like, hey, sixty percent of the time, it's

808
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: right all the time. It's it's it is not debatable.

809
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: It is unequivocal evidence. Running backs tail off at this age.

810
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: Don't pay him a second don't give him a second contract.

811
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 2: If you do, don't do it for more than two years.

812
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: So they're twenty seven by the time they're done, and

813
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: they haven't hit the wall yet. Yes, there's there's gotta

814
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 2: be unequivocal evidence out there that.

815
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 4: I agree, and I think that's what we're seeing more

816
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 4: than anything. I don't think it's like, I don't think

817
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 4: it's even Saquon versus Devin Singletary, you know what I mean.

818
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 4: I think it's they're all in the same, all in

819
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 4: the same bucket.

820
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 2: Break time for us here when we com back, take

821
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: some phone calls from you at ADO three oh five

822
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: to fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two five

823
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: point fifty. How do you think this year's Bill's receiving

824
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: corps will be different?

825
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: We think that the roster is better than.

826
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: It was last year. How will the receiving core change

827
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: for the better this season? You let us know at

828
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: ADO three oh five to fifty Open line for you

829
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: back in a flash here on one Bill's Live presented

830
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: by co Lot of Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Mark

831
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 2: your calendars because Kid's Day is back Saturday, August twelfth,

832
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 2: the Bills will welcome in the Indianapolis Colts for their

833
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: lone home preseason matchup at one pm. Kid's Day presented

834
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: by Fisher Price, is the perfect time to enjoy a

835
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: Bill's game with the whole family, starting at nine am

836
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: in the bus in Limo a lot at Highmark Stadium.

837
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: The festivities kickoff with a Junior tailgate which will have games, activities,

838
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 2: and giveaways along with a dance party hosted by d

839
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: J Milk.

840
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: So should be a good time.

841
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: They're calling it a must see experience this year because

842
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: they're going to have an expanded power wheels track, photo

843
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: opportunities with Billy Buffalo, of course Fisher Price mascots. It's

844
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: gonna be a fire truck in the lot. I mean

845
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: they're pulling out all the stops man. So if you

846
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: got young kids, get them out there. Kids Day Game Saturday,

847
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 2: August twelfth. Lots open at nine am.

848
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 4: Good stuff should be good.

849
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 2: Let's get to the phones, though, where we are asking you,

850
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: how will this year's Bill's receiving corps be different. It's

851
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 2: had a lot of turnover at the position group. How

852
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: do you think it'll be different? Going into the twenty

853
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: twenty three season and after we see them for a

854
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: couple of games eight three, zero, five to fifty. Open

855
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: line for you there, but we lead off with Dick

856
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: and Hamburg. What you got for us?

857
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 9: Dick, good, afternoon, guys. I have a vision problem, and

858
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 9: last year I called in ask you guys to describe

859
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 9: a bubble screen for me, which you did to complete satisfaction.

860
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 9: I'd like to know if you could describe a wheel

861
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 9: route to me. Yeah, I have a I have a

862
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 9: problem visualizing that you're referring to a wheel route.

863
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 4: Wheel route is an a double breaking route that you

864
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 4: move up the field from this running back position or

865
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 4: the slot position or the wide receiver position. He's called

866
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 4: a chair route or an out and up where the

867
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 4: where the UH receiver runs out towards the sideline, turns around,

868
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 4: looks for the ball and then wheels up the field,

869
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,959
Speaker 4: turns it turns, it shoulders and sprints up the field.

870
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 4: So it's like a route that looks like an out

871
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 4: and an up body.

872
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the body positioning generally, especially if it's a

873
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 2: back Steve correct me if I'm wrong. He's got his

874
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: torso turned toward the quarterback. So he's in a receiving position.

875
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: But then, as Steve said, he turns his shoulders north

876
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: and south to get down the field.

877
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 4: So if he's running, if he's lined up to the

878
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 4: right of the quarterback, he goes up, breaks to the

879
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 4: sideline to the right, turns around, looks for the football,

880
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 4: and then turn The receiver turns back to his left

881
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 4: and goes up the sideline if he doesn't get the

882
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 4: ball initially.

883
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, so the receiver no matter who it is,

884
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 9: immediately breaks from the line of scrimmage and immediately runs

885
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 9: towards the sidelines.

886
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 4: Well, or he could stem up the field five yards

887
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 4: or whatever too. Yeah, Usually it's a you do go

888
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 4: up the field vertically. At the snap, you'll take off,

889
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 4: run up five yards, straight off the ball, turn to

890
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 4: the sideline, and then go up. I think that's what

891
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 4: That's the way I understand a wheel route.

892
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: I mean, more often than not, Dick, we hear it

893
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: often referred to and tied to backs in the backfield,

894
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: like just from the hearing games called and the way

895
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: they're described. More often than not, we hear backs on

896
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: wheel routes more than anything else. It's I don't know

897
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: if I'm sure there are other players that run wheel routes,

898
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: but they're very rarely described as such for receivers and

899
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 2: tight ends.

900
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 4: It was my experience too, that the defenders called them

901
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 4: wheel routes more than the offense did. The offense never

902
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 4: call them wheel routes. We called them out and ups.

903
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 9: Well, yes, that's yeah, defenders.

904
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 4: Call them wheel routes for some reason. I couldn't tell

905
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 4: you why because I never played that side of the ball.

906
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 9: So you think that the initihow move is towards the sidelines, Yeah.

907
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 4: What it is is it's you fake an out route

908
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 4: and then keep your speed up and turn up the

909
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 4: field and hoping that when you turn around and look

910
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 4: back at the line of scrimmage when you're going to

911
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 4: the sideline, the defender turns his eyes and looks at

912
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 4: the quarterback. And then as he turns and looks at

913
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 4: the quarterback, you're already you're turning up the field.

914
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: And slip behind it.

915
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 4: You slip behind him, so he loses you that way.

916
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: So hopefully that paints a picture for you, Dick. But

917
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: thanks for the call. Happy to help you know. Three

918
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: five fifty the number to get on board. We will

919
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: get to the tweets sheet here in due course, but

920
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: we do have to take another call here. We'll go

921
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: to Rick in Williamsville. What do you got for us?

922
00:47:58,920 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 4: Rick?

923
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: You're on one Bill's life.

924
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 5: Yes, thank you.

925
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 7: You know, we are so stacked with defensive backs, just loaded.

926
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 7: It's a shame to sit one of the new you

927
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 7: new young guys that are really good. Why can't we

928
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 7: take to Davious White and hold them out there for

929
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 7: a real blockbuster trade for a great nose tackle or

930
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 7: a great inside linebacker and a center maybe plus or

931
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 7: something like that. Can you give me your thoughts on that, please.

932
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 4: I don't think they want to trade Tredavious White, and

933
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 4: I don't think that they're unhappy with their defensive tackle situation.

934
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 2: They're loaded there.

935
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 4: Uh, inside linebacker maybe I don't. I don't like that

936
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 4: trade myself because I don't want to give up a

937
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 4: great corner for a position that's not that important, as

938
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 4: not as important as that position. That's like giving up

939
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 4: a quarterback, a franchise quarterback, for a franchise wide receiver.

940
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 4: He just don't do it. So a little bit like that,

941
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 4: and let's we.

942
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 2: Should also mention that after the season the Bills had

943
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: with all of the players they lost to injury last year,

944
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: the last thing I could see them doing is wanting

945
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 2: to strip their team of valuable depth. And you know,

946
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: taking a former All Pro corner and moving him off

947
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: your roster just to get young guys on the field.

948
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: I don't know, it seems a little it seems a

949
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: little premature and preemptive when you know, look at I mean,

950
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: look at the Dolphins for example, Jalen Ramsey tears his

951
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 2: meniscus in his knee, and now they're like, I don't

952
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: think they're in crisis mode because that defense doesn't necessarily

953
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: need man cover corners, but they're suddenly finding themselves a

954
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: little short on the end of experience, and I think

955
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 2: they just signed another core, a veteran corner, to try

956
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: to stem the tide.

957
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 5: There.

958
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: You'd rather be in the situation the Bills are in

959
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: and where they've got more than enough guys to handle it,

960
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: then saying, oh, geez, is there anyone on the street

961
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: we can get right now?

962
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 7: Right?

963
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 4: Yes, you're right, though, the Bills do have when we've

964
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 4: gone over like five corners who they think can really

965
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 4: play from Tradevi's all the way down to Dame Jackson,

966
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 4: Benford and Elam and Tarin of course, but I'm yeah,

967
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 4: I don't think you trade a money position for not

968
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 4: a money position. Yeah.

969
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, the positions he mentioned, we're not perceived as the

970
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: premium positions in this league. Although defensive tackle you may tackle, yeah,

971
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: you could do it, but middle linebacker probably not, you know.

972
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 3: And what was the other position? I can't even remember

973
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 3: that one that.

974
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 2: He brought up. Either way, we got to take a break.

975
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 2: Hopefully that covers that question, though, Rick to your satisfaction,

976
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: because when we come back, we're gonna be talking with

977
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: the one and only Eric Moltz gonna join us, talk

978
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: to us about how he worked with Khalil Shakir and

979
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: what we can expect to see from the second year

980
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: receiver thanks to some of Eric's handiwork.

981
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: Next, this is One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

982
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: All Right, here we are our number two midweek Wednesday,

983
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: Chris Brown see Tasking review One Bill's Live. Got a

984
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 2: day off for the players.

985
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 3: At training camp.

986
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: But one guy who's been pretty busy, especially during NFL

987
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 2: off seasons, is this dude run an optimal athletic training

988
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: outside of Charlotte, North Carolina. Maybe you've heard of him.

989
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: His name is Eric Moltz and he's joining us here

990
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: on the show. Eric, How the heck are you man?

991
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: Good to see it? What's going on.

992
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 5: Doing? Good man? Just living day by day and enjoy life.

993
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got We had your boy Khalil Shakir on yesterday.

994
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 4: He said, you know you were coaching him up, and

995
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 4: we didn't know you were training him, And he said

996
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 4: that you know you were working on him and teach

997
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 4: him and stuff. And one thing he said too, is

998
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 4: that the thing that you've really helped him with a

999
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 4: lot is the mental side of preparation and how to

1000
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 4: attack and how to be in the right headspace to

1001
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 4: be as good as he can be. What do you like?

1002
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 4: And I know it's a little bit of its psychology

1003
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 4: whenever you're training guys, because you got to get him

1004
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 4: motivated and keep him focused. What do you see in

1005
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 4: Khalil about his game, where he's headed, what he's up to,

1006
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 4: and how he's progressed under your guidance.

1007
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, Steve, what I did with Khalil was that,

1008
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 10: you know, again, you have to gain the players trust first,

1009
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 10: and you have to have to trust you, to know

1010
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 10: that you know what you're doing, and he did and

1011
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 10: always said this to guys. I learned when from you,

1012
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 10: Andre Reid and all the gap before me. The game

1013
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 10: is ninety percent mental. So if you can think of

1014
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 10: the game before it happens, you put yourself in a

1015
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 10: better position. And those are a lot of the things that

1016
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 10: we did, having an understanding how to set up your routes,

1017
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 10: how to run routes, how to get certain releases, what's

1018
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 10: the difference between press coverage, hard soft press coverage, and

1019
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 10: off coverage. And we worked on those things daily and

1020
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 10: he started to pick them up pretty good, And like

1021
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 10: I told him, it's clearly, I just want you to

1022
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 10: go in there and stack your days, take every day

1023
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 10: and just do something special one day and then the

1024
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 10: next day come and do something again. So if you

1025
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 10: do that, be where your feet are, you will be successful.

1026
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 2: I'm curious, Eric, because you know there's different kinds of

1027
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: body types obviously at the receiver position in this league,

1028
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: and I mean just being around him every day, I'm

1029
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 2: just curious what your thoughts are because not everybody can

1030
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's got to learn at the receiver position

1031
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: how to drop their weight and get in and out

1032
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 2: of a route, especially at the stem, among other things,

1033
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: getting off the line and these kinds of things. And

1034
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: I would imagine a lot of those techniques carry through

1035
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: no matter what your body type is. He's kind of

1036
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 2: a long torso guy. Does that factor in it all

1037
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: to how you teach a guy certain things trying to

1038
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: account for his body type.

1039
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 10: Yeah, we really wanted to figure out what he does best.

1040
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 10: And I just I watched him run routes one day

1041
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 10: before I even started training him. I said, I want

1042
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 10: to watch you running routes. I want to watch you

1043
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 10: how you come out of your brakes. And so I

1044
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 10: filmed him and study what he's good at and what

1045
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,959
Speaker 10: he's not good and so those things that he wasn't

1046
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 10: really good at, we really honed in on those things.

1047
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 10: The things that he were really good at, we kept

1048
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 10: those things in our box. We had a box on

1049
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 10: the right and a box on the left. So the

1050
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 10: things we were good at we kept him in our

1051
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 10: right box. The things that he wasn't really good at,

1052
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 10: we put him in the left box. And we really

1053
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 10: honed in on the left side of the his plan.

1054
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 10: So once he started to get those left things a

1055
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 10: little bit more strength to those things. We went back

1056
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 10: to that right box, so we kind of balanced things

1057
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 10: out and he picked up things well. Man, he's one

1058
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 10: of those kids that I feel like can play in

1059
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 10: the slot and also he's interchangeable.

1060
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 5: He can go outside. He's just big enough to play outside.

1061
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 4: Give us an idea of some of the other I

1062
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 4: know you don't train just Khalil Shakira. Where do you

1063
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 4: see the trend? I mean, you were a great player

1064
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 4: for a long time and you see these guys like

1065
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 4: Khalil coming out. Now, do you see any trends of

1066
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 4: where the position's headed or where the game's headed.

1067
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's back and forth.

1068
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 10: I mean I remember when I came out and a

1069
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 10: lot of the guys we had myself, Keishawn Johnson and

1070
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 10: Trerell Owns. Everybody was going back to the bigger receivers,

1071
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 10: the big guys that can run and jump, and then

1072
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 10: all of a sudden, before me, it was the guys

1073
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 10: that the Miamic Dolphins used to have a little smaller

1074
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 10: guy that can get it in and out of space,

1075
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 10: and a lot of the Houston all this back in

1076
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 10: the receivers back in the day the guys that are quick,

1077
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 10: fast and get out of the break. So it's kind

1078
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 10: of going back and forth. I think some teams are

1079
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 10: getting to the point where we need both. We need

1080
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 10: a guy who can get in out of cuts, and

1081
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 10: we need to got some guys that can go deep

1082
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 10: and the bigger guys that can take those runt of

1083
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 10: those hits going across the middle.

1084
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 5: So you said of that trend happened in the National

1085
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 5: Football League.

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00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: I mean, Khalil he didn't have trouble getting separation last

1087
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 2: year as a rookie. He seemed pretty adept at that

1088
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: and maybe that's something that was in the strength box

1089
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 2: that you just outlined. But he was talking to us

1090
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 2: yesterday on the show about maintaining his speed through the

1091
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: stem of the route as something that he really wanted

1092
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: to focus on because he's like, I'm already pretty good

1093
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: at separation. If I can maintain my speed through the

1094
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: stem of the route, logic says, I should have even

1095
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: more separation by the time the ball's coming to me.

1096
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 2: Can you just walk us through that and maybe some

1097
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: of the conversations that you guys had back and forth

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00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: on that subject.

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00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, I told him that you can't run every route

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00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 10: like it's a go route.

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00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 5: You have to set certain routes up. I call it.

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00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 10: I tell receivers that I trained in the pros, college

1103
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 10: and high school. I tell him you have to have

1104
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 10: change of speed. You're not going to run the slant

1105
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 10: route just like you run the go route. You're not

1106
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 10: going to run the go route like you run the

1107
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 10: slant route. So you have to have a change of speed.

1108
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 10: And when you got intermediate routes, when you run your

1109
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 10: hooks and your digs, you can kind of change your

1110
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 10: speeds up to try to throw the DV off because

1111
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 10: if you say the same speed, these defensive backs are

1112
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 10: so afthlete it so good they can read how you

1113
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 10: run route.

1114
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 5: So you got to change your speeds up.

1115
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 10: A little bit, come off a little bit slow, then

1116
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 10: explode and then come out of your break. So you

1117
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 10: got to get them to turn the hips. If you

1118
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 10: can't get a defensive back to turning's hips, you're not

1119
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 10: gonna be very good and no league.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations are also in order. You're going to be inducted

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00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 4: into the Greater Buffalo Sports Hall of Fame this year.

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00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 4: Congratulations on that. How did they notify you in when's

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00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 4: that event going to happen, do you know.

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00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 10: Yeah, they notified me. Actually they notified me when I

1125
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 10: was actually training secure. It was kind of a cool deal.

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00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 10: And to hear me go through that and he listened

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00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 10: to the conversation was pretty pretty spectacular. But I think

1128
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 10: it's gonna happen in November. I'm excited about it. It's

1129
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 10: an honor, you know. You know, I spent a decade

1130
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 10: in Buffalo, so you grew up with that community, and

1131
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 10: a lot of the kids in that community grow up

1132
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 10: watching you play. And for me, it's always fun to

1133
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 10: know that as a former player there and part of

1134
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 10: that community, that you're watching Guys like Gronkowski say I

1135
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 10: was his favorite player growing up because he lived in

1136
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 10: that in Buffalo that era. So it's kind of it's

1137
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 10: kind of great to see and it's exciting for me

1138
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 10: because I tell God to you never know who's watching.

1139
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 10: You could have the next Grankowski seeing you're his favorite

1140
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 10: player growing up, and so you always got to go

1141
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 10: hard and do your best.

1142
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: And then the other thing with with Shakiir's game, Eric

1143
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: that I found interesting just talking to him was he

1144
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 2: was talking about releases and getting off the line and

1145
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 2: I mean he's not a guy that's as big and

1146
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: broad shouldered as you were as a receiver. I mean

1147
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 2: a lot of times you could just power through a

1148
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: release because you were so big and strong. He doesn't

1149
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 2: have your frame, so he's got to do it a

1150
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: different way, Like how do you kind of manufacture solutions

1151
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 2: for guys that aren't built like you?

1152
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 10: Well, you know it's you know, it's obviously, you know obvious.

1153
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 10: Steven is on the show and he's a he's a

1154
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 10: good friend of mine, a former teammate, and I tell

1155
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 10: I used to tell him every day he used to

1156
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 10: Steve Tasker released. So I put it this way, if

1157
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 10: you got two gunners, if you're a gun, if you

1158
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 10: got two guys trying to stop that gun. And that's

1159
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 10: what Steve faced every every time he took the field.

1160
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 10: If he can beat two guys, you can easily beat one.

1161
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 10: So we use a lot of the technique that Steve

1162
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,959
Speaker 10: used to use. And Steve probably had the best release

1163
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 10: I see any receiver. And I'm not just saying that

1164
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 10: because he's on the show. Because you look at the guy,

1165
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 10: you know he's going to be double team and try

1166
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 10: to people are going to try to stop him every week,

1167
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 10: but he goes down to make the tackle, the first

1168
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 10: guy to make the tackle because he had solid technique.

1169
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 10: And so that's what I patterned in my releases after Steve.

1170
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 10: When I want to do Steve releases and be quick

1171
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 10: off the line, when I want to just beat guys up,

1172
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 10: I would just come off and just bully him. So

1173
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 10: she curiously not going to be that bully type of guy.

1174
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 10: He's gonna have to use the kind of the Steve

1175
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 10: task of mentality and create space and just create a

1176
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 10: new line of scrimmage.

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00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 6: I call it.

1178
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, most people think, and you're right. When you come

1179
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 4: off the balls as a wide receiver, people see it

1180
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 4: and make it look it looks natural, like you're just

1181
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 4: faking the guy and trying to go. But most of

1182
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 4: those releases are core and practice and practice. You do

1183
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 4: it rep after rep after rep after rep, and you

1184
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 4: decide before the ball is snapped where you want to

1185
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 4: go right inside outside? How much do you do you

1186
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 4: worry about it?

1187
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 6: Like it?

1188
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 4: What do you tell that? Because I struggle with this.

1189
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 4: If you want to take an outside breaking route, but

1190
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 4: the play calls for you to take an inside release

1191
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 4: on an out route It really takes some technique and

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01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 4: some some effort to go on an inside release and

1193
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 4: break the break the route outside at the top of

1194
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 4: the stem, and vice versa. How do you know, what

1195
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 4: do you prepare guys to do? How do you practice

1196
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 4: that in a setting? And I mean, how many how

1197
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 4: many items on that menu can you really have to do?

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, I try to keep it simple.

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01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 10: I tell the guy, if you want to go outside,

1201
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 10: the step to way you want to go first and

1202
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 10: get the guy going back inside. So if we want

1203
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 10: to go inside, I say, step inside first, go back outside,

1204
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 10: and then get back to where you want to go.

1205
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 10: So I kind of keep it simple for them. So

1206
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 10: then I think, and so they react, and then I

1207
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 10: tell them, like, listen, everything is not gonna be like

1208
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 10: we're practice it. You're gonna have to be able to

1209
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,479
Speaker 10: understand that this guy on the other side is getting

1210
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 10: paid also, so you're gonna have to play off him.

1211
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 10: I tell guys, we're gonna work our technique, but you

1212
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 10: also have to be a football player and play off

1213
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 10: of that guy, because sometimes things are not gonna go

1214
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 10: like you think. Sometimes I've released in games and like

1215
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 10: it didn't work out like I thought it would be,

1216
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 10: so I had to adjust on the fly.

1217
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: And Eric, I know you've watched enough of Josh Allen

1218
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 2: to know that not everything's gonna go according to script

1219
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,439
Speaker 2: for receivers. And I know they have scramble rules here

1220
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: and a lot of the players learn it real fast

1221
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 2: because it comes up a lot in games. But is

1222
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 2: there anything from your training that you can incorporate into

1223
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 2: that aspect of what a receiver would be responsible for,

1224
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 2: especially for a place here like Buffalo with a quarterback

1225
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 2: like Josh.

1226
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 10: Well, we worked on a lot of things that I

1227
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 10: learned in the past that you can tell you the

1228
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 10: scrabble route, it applies in every era. You work on

1229
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 10: these things every day. You have an understanding that, Okay,

1230
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 10: if I'm the deepest guy, I want to come back

1231
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 10: and get in Josh's face. If you're if you're a

1232
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 10: short route guy, you want to go deep. You have

1233
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 10: these routes in place when and you practice them. And

1234
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 10: we just went over a lot of those things. Because

1235
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 10: you have a quarterback like Josh and say, okay, our

1236
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 10: play broke down, We're not dead because we have a

1237
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 10: quarterback that can scramble and has been known to make

1238
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 10: plays with his legs, and so that's as a receiver

1239
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 10: as a plus for you because you want to stay alive.

1240
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 10: So you just just implement those those scramble jills that

1241
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 10: you've learned over the years. And we went over with

1242
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 10: those and I said, hey, you're short, go deep. If

1243
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 10: you're deep, come back, if you're coming across. You got

1244
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 10: to get into the quarterbacks visions. So we just work

1245
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 10: those things over and over again because they're going to

1246
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 10: come up during the season.

1247
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 4: Oh er, thanks for coming on with us. Do you

1248
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 4: have any plans to come back to Buffalo at the

1249
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 4: all the season you come back to a home game

1250
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 4: at all? He'll be back for the well for the

1251
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 4: November of the induction, but anything, any plans that you

1252
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 4: come back to catch a game.

1253
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I plan on it.

1254
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 10: I feel like this team is going to be one

1255
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 10: of the teams that really make a lot of noise,

1256
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 10: and I feel like it's our year every year, but

1257
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 10: I really feel like this is our year because nobody's

1258
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 10: expecting us to do what we what we're capable of doing,

1259
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 10: so obviously we'll be back.

1260
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 3: Cool stuff that sounds good.

1261
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 2: Let us know when you're in town. We'd love to

1262
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 2: have on have you on the show again, and maybe

1263
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 2: we can kind of revisit just how Khalil is doing

1264
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 2: thanks to a lot of your tutelage. Appreciate it, Thank you.

1265
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 5: I appreciate you guys. To look forward to seeing you guys.

1266
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 4: Seric.

1267
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 2: That's the one and only Eric Moles joining us here

1268
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live. It's kind of some cool stuff

1269
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 2: just knowing that he was he's a great player, former player,

1270
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 2: tutor in a current places and you know, I was

1271
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: thinking of it right after I asked him the question

1272
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 2: you know about, is there a way to manufacture coaching

1273
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 2: techniques for scramble rules because of the way Josh plays. Well, Yeah,

1274
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: Eric played with the guy that did that too, flutey

1275
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 2: running around extending place, so it's it's not like he

1276
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:46,959
Speaker 2: can't teach that too.

1277
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's yeah, and forgot like Eric, who throughout his

1278
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 4: career played with, you know, play with every kind of

1279
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 4: quarterback under the different styles of quarterback.

1280
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: Played with the Hall of Famer, played with you know

1281
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 2: what I mean.

1282
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, he he was an incredibly good player, really gifted,

1283
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 4: but also he was he was an alpha male. He

1284
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 4: was he was an a number one big time wide

1285
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 4: receiver one for any team you could name. If he

1286
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 4: was on it, he was the guy, so he was.

1287
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 4: You know, he has a lot to offer these young players.

1288
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 4: I'll say, you got to you gotta tip your cap

1289
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 4: to Khalil Shakir for finding a guy like Eric Molds

1290
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 4: quality to give him some advice on how to play

1291
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 4: and how to prepare, because that guy knows and as you.

1292
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 2: Heard Eric say, he also kind of tutored him a

1293
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 2: little bit on what it's like to play in this

1294
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 2: city and what it means not just to the guys

1295
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: in the locker room, but to the fans that watch

1296
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: you play every week. He can probably lend some knowledge

1297
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 2: on that subject as well, you know, knowing Khalil just

1298
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: got his feet wet last season. Not only that he's

1299
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Speaker 2: coming from the other end of the country, like he's

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01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 2: he's from California. You know, he's a California kid and

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Speaker 2: he's just up to speed on you know, just how

1302
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 2: important football is in this community, you know what I mean.

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01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 2: And that was kind of a cool story. I didn't

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01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 2: know Molds was Gronk's favorite player growing up.

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01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 4: Makes some sense, though, it does. It's the right era,

1306
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 4: and Molds was really he was truly a great player

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01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 4: by any standard. And yeah, kids around here of that

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01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 4: a of Gronk's age, I say, kids, Gronky's thirty, but yes, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I mean people are you know, talking this past week

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01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 2: about how Steph has been dominating in Bill's camp this week.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna tell you, I was at the ninety

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Speaker 2: eight training camp when Eric.

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Speaker 4: Molds was uncoverable, took over.

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Speaker 2: For an entire camp, and that's back when camp was

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01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 2: like three and a half four weeks, two days, two days.

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01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: I swear he was making a fifty yard play or

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Speaker 2: a touchdown every single practice. I don't know if that's

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01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 2: a negative reflection on who they had in the secondary

1319
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 2: back then, but there was a pretty good crew back

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Speaker 2: there because you still had Henry Jones, you had Thomas

1321
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Speaker 2: Rimi Williams there. No, No, this was late nineties, so

1322
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 2: we're talking Thomas Smith, Kenny Irvin, I think Kurt Schultz

1323
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 2: was there by then at safety spot, and you had

1324
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Speaker 2: Henry Jones still playing. Antoine Winfield came a little bit later,

1325
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 2: but I mean he didn't have slouches back there, and

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Speaker 2: he just came in in ninety eight and it was

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Speaker 2: just like everybody step aside, because I am here to

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Speaker 2: dominate with a capital D. I still to this day

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01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 2: have not seen any player dominate a training camp the

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Speaker 2: way he did from start to finish down at Fredonia

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01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety eight, it was the.

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Speaker 3: Summer of Eric.

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Speaker 2: It really was. And then he went out and he

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Speaker 2: had like a ninety eight catch season, went to his

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Speaker 2: first Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 4: I think Andre was still on the team. Yeah, and

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01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 4: it was Eric team after that, you know, I mean

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01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 4: he was Andre was still a huge force, but you

1339
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 4: know it was obvious where it was headed. Eric was

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01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 4: the wide receiver one from that moment, Yeah, he was.

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Speaker 2: I have never seen a player dominate a camp like

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01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: that since. Yeah, it was like ever. It got to

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01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 2: a point, Steve where every day as a young reporter,

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01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to camp and like all the media is saying,

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01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 2: I wonder what Eric's gonna do today? Like that's that's

1346
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 2: how he was the headline story every day, like what's

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01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 2: he gonna do today? Is he gonna be able to

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Speaker 2: do that again today?

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Speaker 4: And then he would do.

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Speaker 2: It, and he did it for three and a half weeks.

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01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, holy cow, I hope he gets to the season. Yeah, like,

1352
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 2: is this guy gonna because he's.

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Speaker 4: Running fifty sixty yard plays.

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Speaker 3: Every It was unbelievable.

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01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 2: I still haven't seen anybody duplicate that. It was truly remarkable.

1356
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 2: And I know you hold him in high regard as

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Speaker 2: a player.

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Speaker 4: Very much, and I and that's why it's it really

1359
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 4: is for guys like Khalil Shakir. It's a gift to

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Speaker 4: be able to tap into that and have him share

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Speaker 4: the stuff that he that he knows. And you play

1362
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 4: for a long time in the league and you learn stuff,

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Speaker 4: And of course I learned. I was sitting there watching

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01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 4: Andre Read and James lofton every day, right, So I

1365
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 4: learned a lot as well. And I played for one year.

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Speaker 4: My last year was Eric's first year, and he was

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Speaker 4: I was like, wow, dude, well I got to get

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Speaker 4: out of his way, you know. So it was fun

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Speaker 4: to be a part of it. And he's yeah, he's

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Speaker 4: doing He's given back to a game that's given him

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Speaker 4: so much as well.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's cool. I had no idea he was doing.

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01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 2: He was working for Optimal Athletic Training down there in Charlotte.

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01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 2: That's great, really kind of a cool deal. And even

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Speaker 2: cooler that he's helping a current Bill's receiver, Which is

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01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 2: our topic of discussion today. How will this year's Bill's

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Speaker 2: receiving corps be different? They made some wholesale changes at

1378
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 2: the position. It's just Diggs, Davis and Shakir who are

1379
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 2: returning players from the wide receiving corps. How do you

1380
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 2: think it will be different this season? Can let us know?

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Speaker 2: At eight h three oh five fifty one eight eight

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Speaker 2: eight five fifty two five point fifty. In the meantime,

1383
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 2: we go to the tweet sheet, which is brought to

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01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 2: you by Corygan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company

1385
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 2: of the Buffalo Bills. Patrick leads us off and he says,

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01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 2: we have more speed and players who can get yards

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01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,560
Speaker 2: after the catch. We heard Khalil talk about it yesterday

1388
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 2: on the show, and I think Hardy is a guy

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01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 2: that falls into that category yards after catch. Surefield probably

1390
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 2: falls into that category. We've seen him do it at

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01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: the NFL level. I wonder if there are.

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01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 4: Others Kincaid's, but it has a spot. Yes, I think

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01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 4: James Cook will probably be a guy like that. Given

1394
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 4: coming out of the backfield, we'll see it's it's been

1395
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:51,600
Speaker 4: an issue. Well, when you get to this point of

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01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 4: having an offense as prolific as the Bills offense has been,

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01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 4: it's you're splitting hairs and you're it's not broken. So

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01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 4: the not really neat. They don't really therese nothing in

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01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 4: there they need to fix. And we heard a little

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01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,799
Speaker 4: bit of sarcasm on social media about the Bills practicing

1401
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 4: screen passes for two days in training camp because they

1402
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 4: almost never run it, and it still looks like they

1403
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 4: don't know what's going on, you know.

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01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 2: I mean it's a little ragged.

1405
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 4: It's ragged. Who cares. This is a team that moves

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01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 4: the football and scores a ton of points, so they're

1407
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 4: going to be fine no matter what happens. But hey,

1408
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 4: they're always looking to expand their arsenal and if they can,

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01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 4: that's great. But I don't know, I think these guys

1410
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 4: are gonna be a lot of fun to watch. Screens

1411
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,600
Speaker 4: or no screens or all that stuff, So we'll see it.

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01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm hesitant to dissect an offense that was

1413
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 4: so prolific because I don't want to feel I don't

1414
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,839
Speaker 4: feel like I need to fix something that's not broken.

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01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 2: Steve on the tweets, she says more season depth with

1416
01:10:54,600 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 2: positional flexibility and a wide array of different skill sets. Well, yeah,

1417
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 2: you certainly have that with Deontay Hardy, you know, a

1418
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 2: little pocket rocket of a player. And then you heard

1419
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 2: Eric say in his opinion, Shakir can play inside or outside,

1420
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 2: So there's some versatility there. Trans Sherfield when we had

1421
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 2: him in studio, told us he's lining up everywhere, you know,

1422
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 2: in the scope of this offense, you know, and I mean,

1423
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 2: are there some receivers that are probably just an outside guy. Yeah,

1424
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 2: justin Shorter, the fifth round rookie, he's probably just an

1425
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 2: outside guy.

1426
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 4: Pat Man, there's mother Desmond Patman.

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01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so there are some guys who are probably

1428
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 2: singularly focused. But yeah, there's there's a host of dudes

1429
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 2: that can go inside or outside.

1430
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 4: All of them, the whole, the whole crew of thirteen

1431
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 4: guys that are out there. I've seen all of them

1432
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 4: do some nice things at some point. The question is

1433
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 4: can they do enough enough things like that on a

1434
01:11:55,320 --> 01:12:00,560
Speaker 4: consistent enough basement basis in different in instances, different scenarios,

1435
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 4: and not always on the red left side on the

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01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 4: outside on a three by one, you know what I mean.

1437
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 4: You get a three by one set, and the guy's

1438
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 4: always on the outside of the three by one. He's

1439
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 4: always getting open in that spot. Well, that's the only

1440
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 4: spot he can ever get open in for some reason, right,

1441
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 4: that kind of thing is what they watch. But if

1442
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 4: they can move him around to all four spots in

1443
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 4: the receiver, inside, outside, in the middle of a three set,

1444
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 4: on the line of scrimmage, off the line of scrimmage,

1445
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 4: put him in motion. If he can get separation and

1446
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 4: kind of accept every challenge that presents and get open,

1447
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 4: he's got a real chance of doing something. Not all

1448
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 4: those guys can do that. Yet, not all those guys

1449
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 4: can do that.

1450
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 2: Andrea says, Josh has his safety valve in Kincaid and Hardy.

1451
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: Now let's just hope the old line will give him time. Yeah,

1452
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 2: there are some people that are already hypothesizing that Kincaid

1453
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 2: will be the new Beasley in terms of being the

1454
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 2: safety valve outlet for Josh when all else fails, because

1455
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 2: he is where he's gonna be, and he knows nine

1456
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 2: and a half times out of ten he's going to.

1457
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 3: Be opened much the way Beasley was.

1458
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 2: The only difference is Kincaid offers more run after catch

1459
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 2: I believe than Beasley will offer than Beasley offered.

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01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, just because he's even just because he's bigger. Let alone,

1461
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 4: if that's the skill set that he's really good at,

1462
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 4: we'll see. Like I said, a lot of it has

1463
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 4: to do with the kind of play that's designed and

1464
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 4: all that. But yeah, they're always chasing that because that's

1465
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 4: a real thing that they can get better at. They

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01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 4: have not run well after the catch for whatever reason.

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01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 4: We've hypothesized about Josh throwing more stationary routes where guy

1468
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 4: turns around, looks at him, he puts it right on him.

1469
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 4: But we've also seen him throw the football over the

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01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 4: top a lot, feather it in some throws. But in

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01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 4: large measure, this offense is one that has not produced

1472
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 4: run after catch a lot that I could see improving on,

1473
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,679
Speaker 4: maybe in fixing something that's not working well, because that

1474
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:02,600
Speaker 4: leads to big plays. That's that's like drawing up a

1475
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 4: not you know, a go route, throwing it over the

1476
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 4: top touchdown like the Pittsburgh Steelers in the first third

1477
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 4: down of that game, ninety five ninety eight yards boom.

1478
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,560
Speaker 4: It's like drawing up one of those, except all you

1479
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 4: gotta do is throw it five yards. You know it.

1480
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 4: It's a safe pass and a big play still with

1481
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 4: no risk that you can That's something all Bill's fans

1482
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 4: and this offensive staff can really get behind. Just let's

1483
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 4: go do that, you know.

1484
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 2: Break time for us here, but we're gonna get more

1485
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 2: of your thoughts on the tweet sheet when we return.

1486
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 2: We'll also take more of your phone calls at eight

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01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 2: oh three oh five point fifty one eight eight eight

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01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 2: five fifty two five fifty the number to get on board.

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01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 2: Got some open lines for you there. How will this

1490
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 2: year's Bill's receiving corps be different? There's been a fair

1491
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 2: amount of turnover. You tell us next here on One

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01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 2: Bill's Live. All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. Wanted to jump back

1494
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 2: to the tweet sheet, but feel free to chime in

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01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 2: at eight zho three zero five fifty one eight eight

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01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 2: five fifty two five point fifty.

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01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 3: Uh So we left off.

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01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 2: On the tweet sheet and we were up to Randy, who,

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01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 2: in answering the question on how this year's Bill's receiving

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01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 2: core will be different, says less dropped passes all Caps.

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01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 2: I think with Kincaid and Sherfield coming in, the hands

1502
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 2: should be much more consistent. You can definitely say that

1503
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 2: about Kincaid because there's a track record there. I'm not

1504
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 2: going to pretend to know Sherfield's sure handedness, although we

1505
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:39,759
Speaker 2: can very easily look up his drops over the last

1506
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 2: few years. Last year was his most expanded role within

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01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 2: the scope of an offense in Miami. He was the

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01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 2: third option there behind Waddle and Hill, pretty good being

1509
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 2: the number three behind those two guys, and had his

1510
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 2: most productive season as a professional. He's looking to parlay

1511
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,520
Speaker 2: that in to an even bigger season here in Buffalo,

1512
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 2: and I would say for the most part, from what

1513
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 2: we've seen a training camp, Surefield has been pretty sure handed.

1514
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's encouraging.

1515
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, We've been talking about it at length, and with

1516
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 4: Murray and Latavious Murray and Damien Harris, those guys never

1517
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 4: cough it up either, so that I think there was

1518
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 4: a concerted effort to cut down on turnovers and drops

1519
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 4: on this team from what happened last year. A concerted effort.

1520
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 4: I think it was a thing. All these guys have

1521
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 4: that about them, So we'll even the draft picks. Yeah,

1522
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 4: so yeah, I would agree with that.

1523
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 2: Let's go to the phones where we've got Dave on

1524
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 2: a sale waiting for us. What do you got Dave

1525
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 2: here on one Bill's Live.

1526
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 6: Hi, guys, nice to hear your opinions. And I'm going

1527
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 6: to my first practice tomorrow at eight and am really

1528
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 6: looking forward to that. Awesome, And I just wanted to

1529
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,759
Speaker 6: get your take on who do you think is best

1530
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 6: suited to replace Hines.

1531
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 2: Are you talking about special teams or in the backfield?

1532
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1533
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 6: I like punt return, Okay, I don't know if I

1534
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 6: think Hardy's got some experience with that.

1535
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. He actually he went to the Pro Bowl his

1536
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 2: rookie year as a return man, so yeah, he's got

1537
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: some pretty good return shops and production on his resume.

1538
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 2: I think he averaged nine point eight yards per punt

1539
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 2: return in his career and twenty five point four yards

1540
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 2: per kickoff return in his career, so yeah, he has

1541
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 2: some experience doing that. I think Khalil Shakir is a

1542
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 2: guy that did some returns for them last year.

1543
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 3: I think he would probably be in the mix.

1544
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 2: And Andy Isabella, who they just signed this past week. Guy

1545
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 2: runs a four to three one. He looks like a

1546
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 2: jitterbug out there because he's built so low to the

1547
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 2: ground at just five foot eight. I think he will

1548
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 2: be given opportunities through the course of the preseason. And

1549
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,719
Speaker 2: then the other guy that replaced Hines in the running

1550
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 2: back room, Darrynton Evans, is another guy with return experience,

1551
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 2: doing some of that in his first couple of years

1552
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 2: in the league with the Tennessee Titans.

1553
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 3: So I think that is your pool of candidates.

1554
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 2: And then we'll just see if the you know, who

1555
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 2: is the cream that rises to the top, and that

1556
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 2: which could be predicated to some degree on opportunities in

1557
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 2: the preseason. But they certainly have a candidate pool which

1558
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 2: is probably numbers four at least to see who that

1559
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 2: might be.

1560
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:36,839
Speaker 3: Do I have a favorite?

1561
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 4: Not yet.

1562
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 2: I think all of those guys are pretty elusive players,

1563
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 2: you know, as far as a return man would go.

1564
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,919
Speaker 2: And I would like to think that in the absence

1565
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 2: of Hines, Hardy might get first crack at it. But

1566
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 2: we'll see what shakes out in the preseason here.

1567
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, And here's the thing too, that they'll probably be

1568
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,759
Speaker 4: a pretty strict line of demarcation between the punt returner

1569
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 4: and the kickoff returner. Not to say the same guy

1570
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 4: can't do both, but I would imagine Hardy would be

1571
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 4: more of the punt return type and a guy like

1572
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 4: Darrenton Evans would be a kind of a kickoff guy,

1573
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 4: a little more physical, physically built guy punts. You need

1574
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 4: the ability to avoid guys elude people, so he needs

1575
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 4: some lateral quickness, which is a smaller, quick, shiftier guy

1576
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 4: like Hardy. Kickoffs you need to be you need to

1577
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 4: be built for the worst, which means you might get

1578
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 4: you might catch a freight train in the face. So yeah,

1579
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 4: that I think there'll be a line of demarcation. I

1580
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 4: think I have one guy doing the punts and one

1581
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 4: guy doing the kickoffs, and they'll mix the roster around that.

1582
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense. It's gonna be interesting because suddenly

1583
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: that is a relatively wide open competition.

1584
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 4: Heines was gonna be the kickoff guy. I think, yeah,

1585
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 4: he was gonna be there, like that was a lot.

1586
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, and doesn't say you know, I know anything,

1587
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,759
Speaker 4: but I would tend to the way he finished last year.

1588
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 4: I think that's a lock. But it was a lock,

1589
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 4: but now not so much. And I think Hardy early

1590
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 4: on I think Hardy's catching punts, He's done that. He's

1591
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 4: a you know, he's been a pro bowler, and then

1592
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 4: a team as deep at wide receiver as they are,

1593
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 4: it's great to have a guy like Hardy, have him

1594
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 4: doing a bunch of different stuff so that if he

1595
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 4: goes down to an injury, you only lose a little

1596
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 4: from a couple of different places, and you can kind

1597
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 4: of make that up easier with a bunch of different

1598
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 4: guys and contributions. If you have a guy like Hinz

1599
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 4: doing it, it's a void. That's a problem.

1600
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a monumental one, but yes, I know what

1601
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 2: you're saying.

1602
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 3: And who knows.

1603
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 2: With the new fair catch rule on kickoffs, how does

1604
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 2: that change the dynamics of things in terms of who

1605
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 2: you want to use back there, how you want to

1606
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 2: approach kickoffs. So there's a lot to iron out between

1607
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 2: now and the star of the regular season in those roles.

1608
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 2: Back to the phones and too, Marie and Amhurst, what

1609
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 2: do you got for us? Marie?

1610
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 11: Hey, guys, So I'm thinking Darrenson Evans is gonna be

1611
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 11: practice squad. Shakira, Davis and Diggs, they are the top receivers,

1612
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 11: but I think the only way the receiving corks can

1613
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 11: be different is if we use James.

1614
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:22,679
Speaker 6: Cook more so in the slot.

1615
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 11: Still got Damien Harris back there. You still got Latavious Murray,

1616
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 11: the power back back there. We got the full back

1617
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 11: that could clear it up. But you know, if we

1618
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 11: get James Cooked, he's got more experienced with Josh, you know,

1619
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 11: they got more time in together. He has cost some plays.

1620
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 11: But if you get James Cook a significant role in

1621
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 11: that's a lot in open space with his speed and elusiveness,

1622
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 11: then we might have something there. But other than that,

1623
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 11: Hardy and Isabella are going to see special teams. They might,

1624
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 11: you know, get some they're going to get some reps

1625
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 11: go on the offensive line as well. But I think

1626
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 11: we need to use James Cook so the offense is

1627
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:09,520
Speaker 11: not stagnant when you know we need that big play.

1628
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 3: All right.

1629
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 4: I like that if you can find a place for

1630
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 4: James Cooked where you can line them up on the

1631
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 4: boundary as a receiver and the slaughter is a receiver,

1632
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 4: and of course in the backfield where you can hand

1633
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 4: it to him. It it puts the defense in a

1634
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 4: real problem spot because you become really more unpredictable. They

1635
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 4: don't know what to expect with him in the game,

1636
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 4: and a lot of teams will get a tip the

1637
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 4: moment you put a certain personnel grouping on the field.

1638
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 4: The defense has the ability because of their preparation, their

1639
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 4: film study, and their and their scouting, they can lop

1640
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 4: off a whole section of the playbook say well, we

1641
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 4: know they're not going to do this stuff, so we're

1642
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 4: not gonna call defensees even consider that, you know what

1643
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 4: I mean, you just become a little bit, a little

1644
01:22:56,160 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 4: bit less, you know, predictable. So if you can leave

1645
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 4: James Cook in there, guys like James Cook and you

1646
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 4: can move him around to all those different spots, it

1647
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 4: really gives you an eye because if, for instance, you

1648
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 4: put Cook on the field and you can you put

1649
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 4: him at the boundary as a receiver one play, you

1650
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 4: come in the next play and now you've got Latavius

1651
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 4: Murray in there instead of you know, you got two backs,

1652
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 4: and then you can split him out again and still

1653
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 4: go three wide with a and use him as a

1654
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 4: three wide receiver with a tight end, or you put

1655
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 4: him in the backfield and you go two backs, and

1656
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 4: that's that's both ends of the spectrum. There you know

1657
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 4: what I mean, you go light and spread them out

1658
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 4: or you pack it in. You got two backs in

1659
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 4: the backfield, it's a problem. So the def it forces

1660
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 4: the defense to really, really, you know, do a gut

1661
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 4: check as to what they really think you're gonna do. Uh,

1662
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 4: and then you can make them pay for it. So

1663
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 4: that's I like that the more versatile athletes you have

1664
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 4: who can do more things. And a guy like James

1665
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 4: Cook is exactly like that wide receiver power back. I

1666
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,719
Speaker 4: mean there's a long spectrum in between that everything in between,

1667
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 4: but he is.

1668
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 2: A multifaceted player at the running back position. And I

1669
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 2: think if you think about what the offensive play callers

1670
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 2: for the Bills have done for the last several years

1671
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 2: Ken Dorsey. Last year we saw this also with Dave Ball.

1672
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 2: They would line Devin Singletary up outside the numbers with

1673
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 2: the idea of pulling a linebacker out of the middle

1674
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 2: of the field, and that would inevitably clear up space

1675
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 2: for people like Cole Beasley, Dawson Knox and other people

1676
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 2: that were working inside because there was more space. Now

1677
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 2: you're putting an athlete the caliber of James Cook outside

1678
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 2: the numbers, you might be pulling a safety out of there,

1679
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,600
Speaker 2: or in an ideal scenario, a linebacker, a linebacker on

1680
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 2: James Cook out wide, like sign me up right, And

1681
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 2: I don't even know about putting him the slot almost

1682
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:48,799
Speaker 2: rather put him outside.

1683
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 4: And people get the wrong ideas sometimes about what an

1684
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 4: coordinator is really trying to do on a certain play

1685
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 4: back when Josh was young, younger, you know you can

1686
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 4: him on in some game throwing the throwing the ball

1687
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:07,560
Speaker 4: down the field of the fat full back was I

1688
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 4: can't remember the guy the fullbacks name here, Yeah it's

1689
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 4: not Reggie Gilliam mean, no, no, no, years ago, Pat dem

1690
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 4: Pat de Marco, Pat DeMarco running down the field. Well,

1691
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:18,719
Speaker 4: you got a corner and a safety on Pat DeMarco

1692
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 4: covering him down the field. Josh tries to hit him

1693
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 4: with the ball, and people are losing their minds, going,

1694
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 4: why is you know, Brian Dabols doing this and this

1695
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 4: and this and wait a minute, wait a minute.

1696
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 2: DeMarco was an option one on that play.

1697
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:33,600
Speaker 4: Prom Yeah, you got you got the two great a

1698
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 4: defensive athletes garden a fat guy, so to speak. You

1699
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:40,799
Speaker 4: guarded a fact that that's exactly what the coordinator wanted.

1700
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 4: He wants the best athletes, garden your least, your least,

1701
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 4: your less threat, the least guy who's the least threat. Meanwhile,

1702
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 4: Diggs is over here running against He's running against a

1703
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 4: fat guy kind of thing, right, So, and you put

1704
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 4: that on your quarterback. It's not the coordinator who does that.

1705
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 4: So people get the wrong idea of what is going

1706
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 4: on on a play when they think, why is why

1707
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 4: is stay Ball having Josh throw to Pat DeMarco on

1708
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 4: a deep rout? That's so stid Well, no, you know

1709
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 4: that's not the play. Yeah, you know, so that's why

1710
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 4: it was. That's not why it was drawn up. That's

1711
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 4: what a coordinator does. And people are now they're kind

1712
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 4: of getting when they get James Cook out there, it

1713
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 4: gives you an idea of think about defending the offense.

1714
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 4: When James Cook is in the backfield behind Josh under

1715
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 4: center with Latavius Murray and a tight end and Steph

1716
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 4: Diggs and Gabe Davis, you know, it's like, okay, this

1717
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 4: is an old pro set. Here we go, We're gonna,

1718
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 4: you know, gonna bear up here, and all of a sudden,

1719
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 4: James Cook splits out. He's in the slot. Dawson Knox

1720
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 4: takes his hand off the ground and moves out to

1721
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 4: hit the slot. Now you're four wide with Latavious Murray.

1722
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 4: You got a problem. They're spread out, and then you

1723
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 4: give it to a guy who's two hundred and thirty

1724
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 4: pounds and you turn into a nail and he's the hammer.

1725
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 4: So you got a problem. So that's that's where I

1726
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,639
Speaker 4: like the sound of that, right, So you get that's

1727
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 4: that's the idea. There's a long way to go before

1728
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 4: we ever seen you this come to fruition. But that's

1729
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 4: where you got to get as an offense, where you

1730
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 4: can put these guys out there and the defense has

1731
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 4: got to make some decisions. You hope, you hope you

1732
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 4: get defenses into just the opposite of what the Bills

1733
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 4: were able to do defensively in all their games. The

1734
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 4: Bills never change personnel. You never change personnel. That's what

1735
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 4: that's why the Bills were a big problem. They said, well,

1736
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 4: Matt chap let's go. Well, then you can put anybody

1737
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 4: want in there. It's like the Bills don't care. See

1738
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 4: if now, if the Bills throw out all this stuff

1739
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 4: on offense and you got guys on defense running in

1740
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 4: and out you got a linebacker coming in, safety coming out.

1741
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 4: You got three corner Oh no, we only got two

1742
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 4: corners out. Now we got three safeties, and now we've

1743
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 4: got three linebackers on Tuesday. Well, then they do that.

1744
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 4: Josh looks up and he goes, oh, we see this

1745
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 4: guy here, this fat guy. I'm gonna put you manna

1746
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 4: man coverage on James Cook. Here we go fun and

1747
01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 4: he starts calling that play, James breaks out, they break

1748
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 4: the four. The fact guy looks at there and goes, oh,

1749
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 4: man right, yeah, so that's where you're at, and that's

1750
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 4: what training camp's all about. Yeah, and we've seen signs

1751
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 4: of it.

1752
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:13,639
Speaker 2: I hope it looks that fun on game day break

1753
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 2: time for us. Steve and I close it up next

1754
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 2: yere on One Bill's Live. All right back here on

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01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 2: One Bill's Lives and final thoughts on the tweet sheet.

1756
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 2: In terms of how you think the Bill's receiving corps

1757
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 2: will look different this season, Jack says, I think Sherfield

1758
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 2: and Hardy will add a ton more speed. Kincaid probably

1759
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:46,560
Speaker 2: playing outside brings side. Sounds like Alan really likes Sherfield.

1760
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,719
Speaker 2: Sounds like sixteen's making a lot of plays. Hard worker

1761
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 2: could become faster, more dynamic safety valve for seventeen. How

1762
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 2: has Shorter looked is a question.

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01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 4: He looked big.

1764
01:28:57,160 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 3: He is big. He's made some plays count the field

1765
01:28:59,360 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 3: as well.

1766
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 4: The well is he gets pretty good separation. I think

1767
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 4: he's a great red zone target and I think he's

1768
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 4: a pretty good intermediate route runner as well. So I

1769
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 4: think I think the guy can play.

1770
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 2: Had a nice touchdown catch the other day. I think

1771
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 2: the guy can in a contested situation. We'll see how

1772
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 2: he comes along through the preseason.

1773
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 4: That's it.

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01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:18,639
Speaker 2: We'll see you tomorrow back at training camp.