1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Gallup has found that China taps 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: America's approval rating for the first time ever, as our 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: leadership saw its approval rating drop eight percent two thirty 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: one percent. We have such a great show for you today. 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to discuss the 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: escalation in Iran and how it affects life in America. 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Peter s Canillos about his new book, 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: Revenge for the Sixties, Samuel Alito, and the triumph of 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: the conservative legal movement. 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: But first the news, Molly, every time mister Trump talks 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: about Christianity, we all can send see with those of 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: us who are lifelig aestheist, that he has no idea 15 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: what he's talking about. He's never bothered for one second 16 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: even learn how to fake this. But then as well, 17 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: he skipped church on Easter. But what does he tweet 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: on Easter? Praise be to Allah? 19 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: All right, So I woke up at seven point thirty 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: and was like, I will pretend to sleep till eight o'clock. 21 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: I get on my phone and I see Tuesday will 22 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: be power plant Day and Bridge Day, all wrapped up 23 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: in one comma. In around there will be nothing like it. 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: Explanation point. Explanation point. Open the fucking comma straight, you 25 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: crazy fox, or you'll be living in hell. Just watch 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: explanation point. Praise be to Allah period. President Donald J. 27 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: Trump at eight oh three on Easter. I swear to God, 28 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: I thought it wasn't real, and so I went on 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: true social to find it because I just couldn't believe it. 30 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: Here's why I couldn't believe it because A it's very stupid. 31 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: B he's clearly trying to like do the Holy war. 32 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: Here's the here's the fundamental problem the Trump And we 33 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: see this with Hegseth too, like they really want to 34 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: be like you know, well, you know, Iran is this 35 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: very religious country and they're controlled by these clerics who 36 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: are very zealous. Well, here's the thing. Our country also 37 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: seems to be trying to pretend that they are a 38 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: country like that. But the truth is, and I think 39 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: this is an important point here is that, well, Donald 40 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: Trump thinks he wants a holy war because somehow that 41 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: will be I think he thinks that'll be funny or 42 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what he thinks, but like, no one 43 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: wants this. The reason that no one wanted this war 44 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: to begin with was because it's huge country where they 45 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: have a lot of money and they have a lot 46 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: of people. And quite frankly, this has nothing to do 47 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: with us, and the idea that somehow, you know, he's 48 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: explored every which reason to go into this country, like 49 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: he wants to free the protesters. Okay, the protesters, they're 50 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: as mad at us as the clerics are. Okay, because 51 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: we're bombing, you know, parts of the country that are 52 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: or at least we're threatening to bomb desalization plans, power plans, 53 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: parts of the country that technically it's a war crime 54 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 1: to bomb, you know, civilian serving apparatuses. But the other 55 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: thing is like this a huge country, and destabilizing this 56 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: country will destabilize the region. We've already destabilized this country. 57 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: We've closed the Straits. Even though the oil and gas 58 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: that comes through the Straits doesn't largely go to us, 59 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: it has still made oil and gas more expensive in 60 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: the world. Because the world is all connected, and it's 61 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: just like a crazy, crazy moment and the other thing 62 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: is like when they were able to rescue the downed pilot, 63 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: they did this thing where our military is obviously very 64 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: skilled and they were able to get in there and 65 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: get out of there without anyone getting lost, without anyone 66 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: getting hard and people have been killed in this war. 67 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: It's just in this incident they were able to get 68 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: in and out in a really skilled way. So instead 69 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: of taking the win and backing out and even just 70 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: let a run charge a toll for the strades who cares, 71 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: just get out because this is devolving into a complete disaster. 72 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: Instead of doing all that, our leadership just seems insane. 73 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: And there's no evidence that there is a negotiation going 74 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: on except that Trump says there's negotiation, and like, we 75 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: actually really need the Iranians to tell us if there 76 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: isn't a negotiation, because you know, we can't trust our 77 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: government and it is just a really fucked up moment 78 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: in an American life. And like I just want to 79 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: say one other thing, which is I you know, somebody 80 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: who's just like a normal person came over to me 81 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: the other day and was like this seems really bad, 82 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: and I was like, it is really bad, and we 83 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: kept saying it was going to be really bad, and 84 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: we knew it was going to be really bad. And 85 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: like the last time of its president, he had like 86 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: more than a million people died that didn't need to 87 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: die because of the pandemic. Like, this guy is not 88 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: a guy who should be president. It's not like a 89 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan where he's like a little domb or a 90 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: George W. Bush where he's like not the best choice 91 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: or a jab. It's like this guy is just really 92 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: responsible and doesn't care that he's leading this enormous country. 93 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: And so we are all just kind of at his 94 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: whim and mercy right now, and it is just so jarring. 95 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: And then we have a Congress that has absolutely no interest. 96 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: You know, the Republicans are evil and the Democrats are 97 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: a little bit factless team, Like, we need people running 98 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: a check on this guy. 99 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: So, speaking of things we need to check on, Trump 100 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 2: has released his budget plan. Would you be shocked to 101 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 2: hear this is just filled with some of the biggest 102 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: bullshit you've ever seen, I am not. 103 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: The savings are achieved by reducing or eliminating woke, weaponized, 104 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: and wasteful programs and returning state and local responsibilities to 105 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: their respective government. 106 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 3: How much does woke cost? 107 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: Woke it all no doctrum. Actually, there's like an insane 108 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: clip of him going around where he says, we can't 109 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: pay for daycare. We don't pay for daycare. The States 110 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: must pay for daycare. That's what he's talking about. What 111 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: he wants to do is he basically doesn't want to 112 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: pay for stuff. So this proposal includes a fifty two 113 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: million dollar cut for the TSA okay why nobody knows, 114 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: but a huge decrease for ICE and the military because 115 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: you want a paramilitary but you don't want the actual 116 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: screening for people flying. And a golden dome because Donald 117 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: Trump loves Israel. They have an iron dome. We need 118 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: to have a golden dome. It's like an iron dome, 119 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: but it's gold. It's so fucking stupid, And oh fyi, 120 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: massive cuts to gut from an agency is and a 121 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: lunar base camp for visiting the moon, and ten billion 122 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: dollars into the President's Capital Steward Program in order to 123 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: make DC safe, clean, and beautiful again, and also changes 124 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: to housing k through twelve food assistance programs. If you 125 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: get anything from the federal government, you're not getting it anymore, 126 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: but you will get Donald Trump spending a lot of 127 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: your tax dollars in renovating the White House where he 128 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: plans to live forever. 129 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: Great stuff. 130 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: So, as usual, what we've seen is Trump's revenge spree 131 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: where he tries to extort people and payback people for 132 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: what he feels have been done wrong to him. 133 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 3: Keeps being these trumped. 134 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: Up charges, which you know the irony of that word, 135 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: and one of them was against Jerome Powell, and that 136 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: has now been blocked by a judge. 137 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: The judges. Here's what happens. Donald Trump does crazy shit, 138 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: the judges tell him he can't, and then he just 139 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: tries to do it again. So here's a US judge. 140 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: On Friday, I stood by the decision to cush Department 141 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: of Justice subpoenas targeting FED Chair Jerome Palell. These are 142 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: judge blocked wine specials. Here the government can appeal the decision, 143 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: prolonging a standoffs that could delay the confirmation of Donald 144 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: Trump's new FED chair. Okay, I'm good with that. The 145 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: US District Court for Washington, d C. Denied the government's 146 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: motion to reconsider an earlier decision to throw out the 147 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: Grand Jury subpoenas directed at Powell. Judge Boseburg, you'll remember, 148 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: Trump was really mad at him, and so was Elon. 149 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: The court's chief judge quashed the spritest last week on 150 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: the grounds that the brog was aimed at pressuring Powell 151 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: and two yielding to Trump or resigning. By the way, 152 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: anyone who has eyes can see this. In the aftermath 153 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: of the decision, US Attorney for the District of Columbia 154 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: and alcoholic Juanian Piro, otherwise known as Judge Box of Wine, 155 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: said at a press conference that the investigation process had 156 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: been arbitrarily undermined by an activist judge. You know what's 157 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: arbitrary everything that Judge box of Wine does. Powell disclosed 158 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: in January that he was if the subpoena is seeking 159 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: records related to these Central banks multi billion dollar building renovations. 160 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: The government was examining whether Palell had committed fraud and 161 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: lied to Congress. Here's what Palell didn't do, commit fraud 162 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: or lie to Congress. Well, here's who did commit fraud 163 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: Trump in a million different ways, probably Judge box of Wine. 164 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: You know who didn't this guy to Rome pal You know, 165 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: this is just going to keep going up up to 166 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, where Alito and Thomas will say that 167 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump did nothing wrong, but probably the other justices 168 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: will not go along with that. 169 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 170 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: So, speaking of not going along with it, nearly two 171 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,119 Speaker 2: dozen Democratic states. 172 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 3: Have hit Trump with the elections lawsuits. This is good news. 173 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: After we saw this executive. 174 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 2: Order about mail and balloting and we were wondering how 175 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: big the pushback would be. It's seeming pretty big. 176 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is totally a whoy. You know, 177 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: this is the thing. Donald Trump will do any sketchy 178 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: stuff he can. 179 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 4: That's it. 180 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: Like, that's period paragraph. My man do sketchy stuff. That's it. 181 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: You know, that's who he is. 182 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 4: Now. 183 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: Whether or not you let him do sketchy stuff, it's 184 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: a real question. That's where it is. So twenty three 185 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: different states and the District of Columbia taking Donald Trump 186 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: to court. It is unconstitutional and he will lose. The 187 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: President's latest attempt to interfere with the state's administrations of 188 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: their elections is as unprecedented as it is unconstitutional. Under 189 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: the Constitution, the president has no authority to restrict voter 190 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: eligibility or mail in voting to lists of voters pre 191 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: authorized by the federal government. Here's the one good thing 192 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: is that at least the courts are doing something because 193 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: the Congress is not. Rick Wilson is the founder of 194 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: Lincoln Project and the host of the Lincoln Project podcast. 195 00:10:59,640 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 5: Rick. 196 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 6: Hello, Molly, how are you on this fine day? 197 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: I'm good. So Donald Trump has gotten us into a war, which, yeah, 198 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: I mean, does it when you start shooting down planes, 199 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: that's when you have ground troops once you have, right, 200 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: I mean, is that a fair definition? And explain to 201 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: us what's going on now? 202 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 6: So, look, the the inevitable has now happened, and the 203 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 6: Iranians have shot down an American F fifteen E Strike Eagle. 204 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 6: Two crew members in the plane, very very effective, very 205 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 6: good strike bomber aircraft, but they shot it down with 206 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 6: a relatively cheap heat seeking missile. 207 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: From the ground. 208 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 6: One of the one of the crew has been recovered, 209 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 6: the other is still missing. If the Iranians captured that person, 210 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 6: they're about to have a global spectacle. They also managed 211 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 6: to shoot down an A ten war yesterday damage Inn 212 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 6: F thirty five, which is supposedly impossible shoot down a 213 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 6: HH sixty helicopter. We don't have a ton of those 214 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 6: and two drones. So we have now entered the phase 215 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 6: of the war where it's not all one sided, and 216 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 6: eventually you're gonna have put more there. They've put a 217 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 6: lot of search and rescue operations into Iran. Now that's 218 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 6: a aerial and probably folks on the ground as well 219 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 6: in terms of pj's pair of rescue jumpers. 220 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: Right, you have to at that point and. 221 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 6: Special operators to go and try to try to recover 222 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 6: the other missing crew member. 223 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: This will accelerate, these things always do. 224 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 6: And so what's gonna happen is somebody who's been in 225 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 6: there to send in there to retrieve the missing crew 226 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 6: member from the F fifteen is going to get shot 227 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 6: or captured or the anti firefight. 228 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 3: It just escalates. 229 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 6: And the problem is right now we see a line 230 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 6: of C seventeen cargo planes flying from the US into 231 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 6: the Middle East. We're ratching up and up and up. 232 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 6: The fake semi Taco twenty minute speech on Thursday night 233 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 6: did not make the markets feel better. 234 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: No, in fact, it made the markets feel worse. 235 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 4: Isn't real, That's right? 236 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: And BONDI Dow at fifty thousand moment. 237 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 6: You know, I think Molly, and I love to get 238 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 6: what your thoughts on this is. It's like, have we 239 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 6: reached the point where the taco trick only works if 240 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 6: he actually tacos, you know, and he hasn't. He's still 241 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 6: he's still going all in on this war. And I 242 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 6: don't think, I don't think that the markets are going 243 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 6: to recover until or unless they see him, the world's 244 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 6: greatest negotiator, negotiate his way out of this box. 245 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: Well, I think the problem is when you have the 246 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: straits closed ostensibly for American oil, which by the way, 247 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: there wasn't so much American oil going to there anyway, 248 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: So it just created a sort of situation with the 249 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: fungibowl oil and gas where you just there was less. 250 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: Well that's closed. There's not anything Trump can do to 251 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: increase the global supply of oil, which is what we 252 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: just saw, right, And he took off sanctions on this 253 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: Iranian oil, the Russian oil, which by the way, a 254 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: is you know, diplomatically quite suspect, but also will not 255 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: necessarily make oil cheaper. I mean, the thing is we're 256 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: cruising into summer, which is oil and gas time, right, 257 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: It's time for travel, It's time for airplanes. 258 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 6: It's time for and high high energy bills for our 259 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 6: high energy useful. 260 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: Conditions global warming. Yeah, and so we're gonna have this 261 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: very hot summer. We're gonna have very expensive gas and oil. 262 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't think that Trump. You know, 263 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: just to think about like this in the historical reference 264 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: for a minute. So this was what completely crashed Bush one. Right, 265 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what you do if you make oil 266 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: and gas more expensive the American people, it's that's it. 267 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 3: Like it's just you are gonna get. 268 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 6: You were gonna get, You're gonna get. Right, Jimmy Carter 269 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 6: was in a period where expensive oil and gas coming 270 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 6: out of four going into Carter, we had expensive oil 271 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 6: and gas. Horrible for you, for your numbers. George W. 272 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 6: Bush in the second term, expensive oiling gas, horrible for 273 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 6: your numbers. Even Barack Obama took some damage from it. 274 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 4: For a little while. 275 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 3: We had we had a spike. 276 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 6: But with Trump, this was a decision that was made 277 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 6: precipitously with nothing in the background to support it. And 278 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 6: so now people are like directly connecting high price of 279 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 6: the pump, Donald Trump's war on Iran. 280 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 3: That's it. 281 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 6: It's a it's a it's bound together. And look his 282 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 6: numbers and we're seeing even more numbers over the weekend 283 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 6: that have come out, especially on the price of gas. 284 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 6: He is sixty sixty one percent disapproved his performance. And 285 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 6: when it comes to the price of energy and gas, 286 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 6: sixty one percent disapproval and that's forty five percent strong disapproval. 287 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 6: That is a real five alarmed political fire for this, 288 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 6: for the Republican Party and for Donald Trump. 289 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean there are two things too that 290 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: there are no as historical president for to have a 291 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: president who runs on affordability, I'm going to make gas cheaper. 292 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to make eggs cheaper. I'm going to make 293 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: fake and cheaper. Right, that was his message going into this. 294 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: And also I'm going to end four and mores. And 295 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: then what does he do priffs, you know, which make 296 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: things more expensive for and more, which makes oil more expensive. 297 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: Like just to have someone who immediately does exactly the 298 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: opposite of what they say they're going to do, I mean, like, 299 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's a president for that historically. 300 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 3: No. Look, we have not seen a president. 301 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 6: Look I'll tell you, like presidents have very frequently big 302 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 6: externalities that hurt them. Okay, right, And look, while Bush, 303 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 6: while the war was unpopular, what really knocked Bush's numbers 304 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 6: out of the box was Katrina. Okay, what the largest 305 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 6: percentage decline was at the post Katrina? When you had 306 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 6: the financial crisis? Even though Barack Obama didn't directly cause 307 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 6: it or wasn't there when it started, he was suffering 308 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 6: through the worst of the financial crisis, a big externality, 309 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 6: and it hurt his numbers, and that is in part 310 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 6: what led to the political climate for the ten Yeah, 311 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 6: so all these you know, every president faces some external thing. 312 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: Usually they don't cause it, right and that. 313 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 6: But the difference here between every other president and Trump 314 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 6: is He's like, what can I do that's gonna absolutely 315 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 6: completely train wreck my economy? And what can I do 316 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 6: that's going to blow up my allies around the world? 317 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 6: What can I do that's going to harm the global economy? 318 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 6: And oh, by the way, what can I need to 319 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 6: pretend that the that the global petro market isn't a 320 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 6: global market. The reason gas is going up here, folks, 321 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 6: is not because we buy gas from a run We don't. 322 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 6: The reason is it's a global market and you can't 323 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 6: just hand wave away the fact that it's a global market. 324 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 6: I heard yesterday that there's a some discussions inside of 325 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 6: the White House now of trying to if you just 326 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 6: want to watch the if you want to really to 327 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 6: watch the economic system meltdown to impose new price controls 328 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 6: on oil and gas in America. 329 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: Right right, which I was told communism. Yeah, I just 330 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: getna say. I was like excited to watch that play out, 331 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: and we were. But I do think, like, you know, what 332 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: you see now is you see Donald Trump who sees 333 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: bad poll numbers and is like, fucking, I'm just gonna 334 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: start firing people, which is probably good for American democracy. 335 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: Here follow my thinking here, So Trump two point out. 336 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: The first year, you saw nothing out of that White House. 337 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: It was not leaky. It was so tight. Mike Walls 338 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: accidentally as the editor in chief of the Economist of 339 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: the Economists of the Atlantic to group chat and does 340 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: not get fired. He gets moved to a sort of 341 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: slightly different job, right, And we saw, really, you know, 342 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: it was just tight, and Trump was getting away with 343 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: it and people were making mistakes, but we weren't hearing 344 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: sort of what really happened. Now and this second year, 345 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: Trump has just given up. He's firing people, he's moving 346 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: them around. So we're seeing like a Pam Bondy now 347 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: you know that story. There must be like fifteen people 348 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: leaking with that story because we found out when they 349 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: drove in the beast to the Supreme Court, we found 350 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: out that she sat with him and then he moved. 351 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: That he was there for an hour and a half. 352 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: I mean just like literally every bit. You know that 353 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: she had been begging to stay on till the summer, 354 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: doug right, like we I mean, there was so much reporting. 355 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he probably was leaking. She was definitely leaking, 356 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: and everyone she ever met was also leaking. And that 357 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: kind of transparency is actually probably much better for American democracy. 358 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 6: Mollie, you have had the first year of Trump two 359 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 6: point zero a desire to not Trump didn't want to 360 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 6: give the media a in by firing anybody, because he 361 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 6: viewed firing people as letting the media win. And yet 362 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 6: this is absolutely driven by the fact that the media 363 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 6: was merciless about Pam Bondi's cover up of the Epstein files. 364 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 6: That they kept calling the media too, but actually you 365 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 6: were one hundred percent just getting there. Your You gotta 366 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 6: have a hundred percent correct. 367 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no. 368 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 6: But the horrific nature of her cover up of Epstein 369 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 6: was so bad that even Fox couldn't ignore it, even 370 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 6: a way in, and Newsmax and all the MAGA online 371 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 6: garbage couldn't ignore it. And so we may have a 372 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 6: moment right now where where the vulnerability of Trump's mental processes. 373 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 6: He knows how bad Epstein is for him, and I 374 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 6: think they made a giant mistake. Todd Blanche rolled out 375 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 6: on Friday and said, We've really saw the Epstein files. 376 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 6: It's over, it's done. Fuck you shut up. 377 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Black gonna say something. 378 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 3: That ain't gonna that ain. I was texting with a 379 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 3: member of the committee. I remember the committee last night. 380 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 6: I said, you're gonna take this line down. 381 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 3: He goes, oh, no, my friend, we are not. 382 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: But it's also I mean. She also remembers she ran 383 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: a foul of MAGA influencers who are Dominant's core constituency. 384 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: She gave them those binders with the xeroxis of stuff 385 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: you can find on the internet, and they were so 386 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: embarrassed they posed for photos. Then they went home. They 387 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: looked in the binders and they were like, what the 388 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: actual fuck. And then those people committed the next seven 389 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: months to getting her fired and like it's a cautionary 390 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: tale for not being a complete moron. 391 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 6: Well listen, she she didn't. She also didn't understand. I 392 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 6: wrote a piece about this called Knives Out for Bondi yesterday. 393 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 6: Blanch was going to do this to her no matter what. 394 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 6: Blanche is the guy who's much smarter than Pam Bondy. 395 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 6: And I will tell people that Pam is Pam is 396 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 6: not dumb, Like she's not a moron, but she's also right, yeah, right, 397 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 6: she's not Christine nom but neither is she you know, 398 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 6: some sort of mad you know, high level strategic thinker. 399 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 6: She's very obedient, she's very very good at being the 400 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 6: at being the good girl, the good guy for the 401 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 6: big boss. When she was in Florida, she was basically like, 402 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 6: what does Jeb want? What does Rick Scott want? When 403 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 6: when it's when it's Trump, it's what does Trump want? 404 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 6: So but Blanche viewed her as a way to like 405 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 6: take some of the air out of the Epstein balloon 406 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 6: so he could step in. And I had heard from 407 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 6: somebody very adjacent to the White House that Blanche was 408 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 6: the guy who was rallying other people to go to 409 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 6: Trump and to go to Susie and say, come on, man, 410 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 6: she's embarrassing you. She's hurting you. And and her big 411 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 6: performance that she gave in front of the committee, the 412 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 6: Dow fifty thousand. 413 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 4: Performance, that was great. 414 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 6: I was told that Blanche said to him that was embarrassing. 415 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 6: That was over the top. She could have been more subtle, 416 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 6: She could have handled it better. She could have really 417 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 6: embarrassed them. That was the Amateur Hour or something awards 418 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 6: to that effect. Not wrong, not wrong, but I but I. 419 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 3: I I. 420 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 6: Think that the the knives out thing in the Justice Department. 421 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 6: You've also gotten now Alina Habba and Judge box of Wine, 422 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 6: and and and Lee Zelden on the outside, all wanting 423 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 6: that job. Blanche. 424 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 4: Blanche the arrogance has that job though, right, the. 425 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 6: Arrogance of Blanche, though, I think it's gonna be the 426 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 6: the UPNS is coming, as they say, for a time, Blanche, 427 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 6: because he's now as Thomas Massey said, thanks glad you 428 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 6: took the job. You now have thirty days to comply 429 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 6: because that's the law, right And and the other part 430 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 6: of this is Bondie doesn't go away. Remember that he 431 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 6: issued the subpoena to her by name, not to her 432 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 6: by title. She's still gonna be. 433 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: Up two weeks. 434 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm curious about I'm I am very curious about 435 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 7: Bondi though, because it does seem like I would be 436 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 7: really surprised if Bondi comes out against Trump. 437 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think there's a world where that 438 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: happens that doesn't seem like the move to May It would. 439 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 6: Be the most hilarious face turn ever. Yeah, I don't 440 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 6: see it in the short term, but I will tell 441 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 6: you I know someone extremely close to Bondi who who 442 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 6: are like a lifetime long friend of Pam Bondy, who 443 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 6: is not Susie Wile, not Susie Wiles. But the shock 444 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 6: and and and embarrassment right now is through the roof. 445 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 6: And look, if you are Pam Bondy, you're gonna have 446 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 6: one of two things. One is and this happened a 447 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 6: lot in the first administration. People will say to you, well, 448 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 6: you've been fired, but you know you could still come back, 449 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 6: you could still He forgives people, well, she's not coming 450 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 6: back in the. 451 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 3: Next two years. That's it. 452 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 4: This is over for her. 453 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 6: And so she's got to be thinking on one level. 454 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 6: You know, I don't want to cross the president. I 455 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 6: don't want to get Todd Blanche to pursue me because 456 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 6: they're believe me, there is a world where the DJ 457 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 6: starts investigating Pam BONDI. 458 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if. 459 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 6: She does, If she if she plays ball, she's legally 460 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 6: vulnerable and will never escape the families going after her, 461 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 6: the congressional investigations that will last until she's dead. 462 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: I think she's legally vulnerable. 463 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, gone, yeah, But if she does turn Pam BONDI 464 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 6: has a chance again to do something nobody else does 465 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 6: around Trump. She just pull the fucking whole curtain back 466 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 6: and go I'm sorry, America. I bought into it. I 467 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 6: was part of the most corrupt cover up and history. 468 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 6: Here's what I know from the Epstein files. Here's what 469 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 6: we're hiding. I think the chance of her doing. 470 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: That is like point oh oh, yeah, I was gonna say, 471 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: it seems very slim. 472 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, it would be very It would be very sort 473 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 6: of Aaron Sorkin if she did. But you know, I 474 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 6: have a little faith in the in the moral courage 475 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 6: of body. 476 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a good move, but it is 477 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: it is a really good question, right, the idea of 478 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: what this sort of vulnerability here, And we saw this 479 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: with CHRISTINEO, right, like Christineome is never coming back. You know, 480 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: she has now gotten a fake job. The Shield of 481 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: the America's right core. 482 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 5: They you know, whoever had those photos of the husband 483 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 5: with the balloons in the shirt, those probably have been 484 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 5: going around blackmailing people forever, right, I mean, there's no 485 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 5: way that that's the first she learned of those photos. 486 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 4: Just us. 487 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 6: I think somebody and it was probably either Joe Pounder 488 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 6: or a guy like Joe Pounder is a big opposition 489 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 6: research guy in the Republican Party and they used Joe 490 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 6: a lot. He's one of their go tos. I'm told 491 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 6: it probably had those pictures for a year. And look, 492 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 6: when you see a guy that deep into whatever fetish 493 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 6: thing he's into, or whatever whatever closeted behavior he's into, 494 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 6: I can't even characterize the whole thing. That's not something 495 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 6: that just sprang up five minutes ago. That's probably a 496 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 6: paraphilia that he's had for a very long time. 497 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: I wonder about that, like, do you think that that 498 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: why that got released? 499 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 3: Now? 500 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: Can you do you have any insight on that. Did 501 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: she not do something someone wanted? I mean, because clearly 502 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: that had been around for a long time. 503 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 6: I think part of this might be trying to put 504 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 6: a giant final spike into her as a credible political 505 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 6: figure and any any maga dimension. Look, you are now 506 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 6: seeing the early early going of the twenty twenty eight 507 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 6: Republican primary. Okay, you've got jd Vance with a new 508 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 6: book about how Christian he is. You've got you know, 509 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 6: Marco being the jack of all trades and liberator of Cuba. 510 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 6: You've got you know, You've got all these guys in 511 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 6: Congress starting to play. And Corey Lewandowski before the Great Fall, 512 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 6: was telling people she's going to do this immigration thing, 513 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 6: that's what Republicans care about the most, that's going to 514 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 6: put her in the front of the pack for twenty 515 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 6: twenty eight. 516 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 4: To repress Trump. 517 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: That was just I think, go to prevent her from running. 518 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 6: I think it was just oppo to stop her, to 519 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 6: end her, and maybe a little bit of opo to 520 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 6: say we could tell more stories if you'd like. 521 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: Right to keep, and also to keep Corey in line. 522 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 6: Well, Corey, I think I think they've turned on Corey 523 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 6: pretty pretty aggressively. We've saw stories last week coming out 524 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 6: about how Corey is now under an internal. 525 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 3: Investigation at DHS. 526 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 6: They don't investigate anybody at DHS internally unless they aggressively 527 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 6: want to fuck them over. They stopped all that stuff 528 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 6: until until they decided that she and Corey had to go. 529 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: Clearly that two hundred and twenty million dollars for the videos, 530 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: like that is sort of like a bridge too far. 531 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: Do you think that that? Do you think like they 532 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: will get charged with fraud? And do you because clearly 533 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: like that, you know, like, do you think that was 534 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: a sort of a decision that that's what's coming next? 535 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 3: I think they will get charged. 536 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 6: I think also there's a thing in a government called 537 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 6: a key tam lawsuit, which is where whistle blower can 538 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 6: bring a lawsuit about government fraud and collect a percentage 539 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 6: of it. 540 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: Oh so fortunity. 541 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 6: Right, So, some some staff or O Minion at some 542 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 6: point got an email or was on a on a call, 543 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 6: or had a or and look, there's no way they 544 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 6: spent two hundred and twenty million dollars without a essentially 545 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,959 Speaker 6: a cap table of who's going to make money off 546 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 6: of the deal? 547 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: Right, Right? 548 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 6: And I promise you Corey has some side deal. Nobody 549 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 6: else was Trump World makes a damn dime unless the 550 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 6: family gets some big off. 551 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: Of it, right, So this could end tied back to 552 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: Trump too though. 553 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 6: Right, or the Trump sons or God knows, or or 554 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 6: or some other consultant around Maga world who would then 555 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 6: launder it to the Trumps. 556 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 4: Right. 557 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: Who knows? 558 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 6: The byzantine nature of their corruption is why it's hard 559 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 6: hard to figure it out. 560 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: And it's so funny. We've been doing this for I 561 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: stumbled on a picture of us from twenty eighteen. I'm 562 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: going to send it to you, when you were sending 563 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: so young and our young, that it was almost over, 564 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: and that we were that this was just this was 565 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: I seem to remember many a piece written this is not. 566 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 3: Who we are, this is who the fuck we are. 567 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: We turned America into Florida, and I'm glad to be 568 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: able to narrate it with you. Likewise, my friend, Will 569 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: I see you next Sunday? 570 00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 3: You sure will. 571 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 4: Peter S. 572 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: Canellos is an editor of Politico and the author of 573 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: the Revenge of the Sixties, Samuel Alito and the Triumph 574 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: of the Conservative Legal Movement. Welcome welcome, Peter. 575 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Mollie. So we're talking about. 576 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: Your book about justice. Alito, besides being the foil of 577 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: all people who like good things, who like nice things, 578 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: give us the importance of Alito. 579 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 8: I think that Alito is emblematic of the conservative legal movement. 580 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,959 Speaker 8: The book is called Revenge for the Sixties, and it 581 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,479 Speaker 8: tries to look at the social and cultural roots of 582 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 8: the conservative legal movement, which now dominates the Supreme Court. 583 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 4: You know, this is how we got to this point 584 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 4: in the American judiciary. 585 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 8: And the reason Alito is emblematic of it is that 586 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 8: he came from the same social and cultural background as 587 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 8: many of the leaders of the Federalist Society, the founders 588 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 8: of the Federal Society, other leaders of the movement, and 589 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 8: that is he was the product of immigrant parents and 590 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 8: grandparents from the twentieth century, people who taught him that, 591 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 8: you know, America was the great hope for freedom, that 592 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 8: this was the place where you make your fortune. He 593 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 8: experienced prejudice, or the family experienced anti Italian prejudice, but 594 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 8: felt like they overcame it. 595 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 4: He was educated in the Cold War public. 596 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 8: Schools and then he confronted at Princeton being in the 597 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 8: last all male class, with women arriving the next year. 598 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 8: Suddenly their dorm room discussions about sex and premarital sex, 599 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 8: and people challenging. 600 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 4: His conservative Catholic views. There's anti war protests, there are 601 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,239 Speaker 4: exams being canceled, and he feels suddenly that he's at 602 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 4: odds with his entire generation. And I think that's in 603 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 4: some sense where the conservative legal movement came from. From 604 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 4: that place, that sense of very high achieving, meritocratic people 605 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 4: with this real believer in American exception, belief in American exceptionalism. 606 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 8: Who needed to create an alternative path to get ahead 607 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 8: because they. 608 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 4: Felt they were at odds with their own generation. 609 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, it's so interesting because my father was 610 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: a baby boomer who protests the war, went to Princeton, 611 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: bristled against Princeton for a whole other sliver of reasons. 612 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: And there's an op ed about which I think you wrote. 613 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: Did you write that up there? 614 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 4: I wrote, yeah, yeah, about that. 615 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: There was another Supreme Court justice who went to Princeton 616 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: and she had a very different experience there, so go, yeah. 617 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 4: Well that was Sonya Sotomayor. 618 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 8: And I think you look at this place in the 619 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 8: nineteen seventies and late sixties, in the case of Alito, 620 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 8: where Princeton was opening the doors to two separate communities. 621 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 4: One was public school kids who you. 622 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 8: Know, maybe first generation college students, who you know, came 623 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 8: out of the immigration waves of the twentieth century. The 624 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 8: other was women they never admitted women until nineteen sixty nine, 625 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 8: and people of color, whom they were encouraging to come 626 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 8: for the first time, making real efforts to bring people in. 627 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 8: And what's interesting is both groups felt very alienated. Both 628 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 8: of them felt very out of sorts with the sort 629 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 8: of eating clubs which represents like the wealthy Princeton elites. 630 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 8: And yet over time Princeton evolved and Princeton became more 631 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 8: the Sonya Soda Mayor University than the sam Alito University 632 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 8: and Soda. My memories of her time at Princeton became 633 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 8: more and more positive. It's like she says, her whole 634 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 8: life's journey began when she the day she was accepted 635 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 8: at Princeton. I mean this is Princeton is the source 636 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 8: of all of her hope and energy. 637 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 4: Alito, when he. 638 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 8: Was being confirmed for the Supreme Court, said Princeton was 639 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 8: the place where he saw some really privileged people doing 640 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 8: some really irresponsible things. Talking about the anti war protests 641 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 8: that your dad may have been involved in, and those 642 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 8: are two radically different experiences. They come out of, you know, 643 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 8: what it meant to be in the Ivy League schools 644 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 8: in that era, And I think that's also very emblematic 645 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 8: of the conservative legal movement. I mean, these are not 646 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 8: maga working class kids. These are like Ivy League kids, 647 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,919 Speaker 8: but they feel very culturally and socially alienated from their 648 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 8: peers who believed in the liberation movements of the sixties 649 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 8: and believed in the ideals of the sixties, and believed 650 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 8: in the anti war protests. 651 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: It's funny because my father complains about Princeton were that 652 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 1: it was very elite and that the people didn't care, 653 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: and that they didn't care about what was happening. And 654 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: he actually left Princeton to go to Sarah Lawrence because 655 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: he thought they were horribly out of touch and the 656 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: eating clubs and the legacy of conservative craziness. 657 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 4: That's a common perception. Your dad wasn't honed. 658 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: For sure, So Alito, you know, it's funny because it's 659 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of Catholicism on the Supreme Court 660 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: on the conservative side. I don't think that's by accident. 661 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: So I would love you to sort of thread this 662 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 1: conservative legal movement to Catholicism. 663 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 8: I think that it comes from several different strands of Catholicism. 664 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 8: I think that in sam Alito's mind, Catholicism is conflated 665 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 8: with his Italian American immigrant experience. The church was the 666 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 8: place where his grandparents were accepted. It was where they 667 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 8: could find a sense of community in a foreign land. 668 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 4: It was part of their identity as Italians. 669 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 8: You know, the Catholic Church is literally part of the 670 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 8: national fabric of Italy and has special a special place 671 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 8: in the Italian government and constitution. 672 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 4: You know. 673 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 8: So he sees Catholicism as interwoven with the conservative beliefs 674 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 8: that came out of his mid twentieth century childhood, you know, 675 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 8: ward mobility, putting your nose to the grindstone, pulling yourself 676 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 8: up by your bootstraps. And he sees, you know, Catholicism 677 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 8: as a way of like following the rules step by step, 678 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 8: living a virtuous life according to the precepts of the 679 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 8: Catholic Church. During that same time, there was another strand, 680 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 8: and people like Clarence Thomas might be more a part 681 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 8: of this where a lot of people from very very 682 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 8: different backgrounds, you know, some of them Jewish, some of 683 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 8: them from mainline Protestant churches, some of them African became 684 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 8: Catholic because they believed that Catholicism at the time was 685 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 8: sort of hardcore. Protestant churches tended to be moving to 686 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 8: the left, so did reform. 687 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 4: Judaism was on the rise. 688 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 8: You know, you had a lot of religion and liberalism combining, 689 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 8: but the Catholics held firm. So it meant a lot 690 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 8: in that era when people of the same age as 691 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 8: Thomas and Alito converted to Catholicism, and a lot of 692 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 8: that happened with some of the conservative kids at Princeton 693 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 8: that I and my research went back and interviewed the 694 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 8: one who was the leader of the Conservatives at Princeton, 695 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 8: T Harding Jones, became a Catholic. He was a converted 696 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 8: to Catholicism. So did the Meyer family. Jean Meyer was 697 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 8: the longtime director of the Federal Society and his father 698 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 8: had converted to Catholicism that to them represented hardcore. 699 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 4: It was also William F. 700 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 8: Buckley was a big influence, and you know, his Catholicism 701 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 8: was seen as part of what made him a conservative. 702 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 8: I think people were impressed. 703 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 1: With that, yes, but also when it comes to abortion, 704 00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: Catholicism threatened to need all that otherwise sex of Christianity 705 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: might not. 706 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 4: But did, especially in that era. 707 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 8: I mean, nowadays, when we think of the anti abortion movement, 708 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 8: people will often think of evangelicals. 709 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 4: But in that era, evangelicals were neutral. They were neutral 710 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 4: on Roe v. 711 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 3: Wade. 712 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 8: They didn't have a position. It was a very different time. 713 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 8: And that's sort of what was meant by the Catholics 714 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 8: being hardcore. You know that they were willing to say 715 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 8: full stop no on abortion, you know, full stop no 716 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 8: on premarital sex. Premarital sex was a big issue at 717 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 8: Princeton in that time. You know, contraception was still an 718 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 8: issue and is, you know today at issue. One of 719 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 8: the Lydio's most famous opinions, Hobby Lobby, dealt with contraception. Right, 720 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 8: It's like so, and of course the big Supreme Court 721 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 8: case they were all referencing was Griswold by Connecticut. 722 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 4: This was before Roe v. Wade, and that was a 723 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 4: contraception case. Catholic Church on all. 724 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 8: These social issues, particularly relating to the bedroom where they 725 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 8: were hardcore. 726 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, Alito continues to be on the court. 727 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 1: He is not the longest serving member of the court, 728 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: that's Thomas, but he has left a real stamp on 729 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: the courts in a number of different ways. So I'd 730 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: love you talk about recent cases either coming or that 731 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: have been ruled recently where there are Lito cases. You know, 732 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: you see the Alito signature on them. 733 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 8: The most obvious recent one was the Montgomery County, Maryland 734 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 8: case where Montgomery County had a curriculum that included story 735 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 8: books for children and books for classes that included gay characters. 736 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,280 Speaker 8: Just gay characters are sort of part of the normal 737 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,439 Speaker 8: fabric of the story characters who happened to be gay, 738 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 8: And very initially when they started this curriculum, they included 739 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 8: like warnings to parents in case parents wanted to pull 740 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 8: kids out of class or something, because they were worried 741 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 8: about this, but then quickly changed because they felt that 742 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 8: it created a stigma for kids who came from families 743 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 8: with gay parents or other gay gay relatives in there, 744 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,319 Speaker 8: that there was something weird about having some kids pulled 745 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,280 Speaker 8: out of class. So they felt this was not appropriate 746 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 8: and they stopped doing it. Alito and the Supreme Court's 747 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 8: conservative majority to say they had to reinstate the warnings 748 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 8: to parents because it violated the freedom of religion, the 749 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 8: free exercise of religion of the conservative parents. Now it's 750 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 8: very much Alito who will say conservative parents are being 751 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 8: discriminated against, just as you know, some people might contend 752 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 8: that same sex couples and families led by same sex 753 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 8: couples are being discriminated against, and this is a common thread. 754 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 8: He has activated the free exercise of religion clause in 755 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 8: the Constitution to an extent far greater than other justices 756 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 8: have seen. 757 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 4: He has really been the leader in that. 758 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 8: You see it in cases like Catholic charities in Philadelphia 759 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 8: excluding gay parents. 760 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 4: You see it in his decisions even in a First 761 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 4: Amendment case involving the harassment of soldiers by this Westborough church, 762 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 4: this radical group or sort of a radical conservative group. 763 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 8: They were protested military funerals. He sees the average American 764 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,439 Speaker 8: of conservative values as being discriminate in the same way 765 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 8: that other people would see racial minorities and LGBTQ community 766 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 8: and foreign born people to be discriminated against. You know, 767 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 8: he's pulling up the other side of the ledger right. 768 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: So he's trying to protect right wingers from discrimination. Keep 769 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: going on that. 770 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, I mean he believes that this is part 771 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 8: of free exercise of religion. I think that it's more 772 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 8: conservative traditional values that he imputes to religion. Now, not 773 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 8: in every case, like the hobby lobby case, which was 774 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 8: the contraception case. It was a real, you know, very 775 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 8: conservative Christian family that owned the business. But I think 776 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 8: that he feels like free exercise of religion should be 777 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 8: every bit as active a clause of the Supreme Court 778 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 8: and as a source for Supreme Court decision making as the. 779 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:47,840 Speaker 4: Equal protection clause. 780 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 8: He would say, essentially, conservative traditional minded Americans deserve protection too. 781 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: So I think of him as just a partisan hack. 782 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,240 Speaker 1: Am I wrong, and tell me why. 783 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 4: I think that he has evolved over time. 784 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 8: I think that he is very driven by the principles 785 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 8: that he developed in his childhood growing up just outside 786 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 8: of Trenton, New Jersey, in the middle twentieth century, that 787 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 8: heightened sense of Americanism. I mean, that's where the loyalty 788 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 8: to Americans who follow the rules, the traditional values and 789 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 8: things like that come from. 790 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 4: I think it also comes from. 791 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 8: Like the Cold War era schools and culture that was 792 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 8: preaching the greatness of American freedom and things like that. 793 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 8: May I have to mention your grandfather's novels that I 794 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 8: read when I was a kid, too, who wrote about American. 795 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 4: History in a very positive way. 796 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 8: I think sam Alito was influenced by those messages, very 797 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 8: very sharply. I think that in recent years many people 798 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,280 Speaker 8: have noticed that his personality has changed, that he's become 799 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 8: more outspoken. 800 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,360 Speaker 4: He was a shy person. Now he's an outspoken person. 801 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 8: He's become a grim and bitter negative in a lot 802 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 8: of his questions. You know, his descents have become more 803 00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 8: angry and frustrated. Even though he's winning right the majority 804 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 8: on most cases a lot, yet he seems like the 805 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 8: angry man on the court. 806 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,319 Speaker 4: That's not entirely uncommon for older justices. They just they 807 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:08,320 Speaker 4: sort of seem. 808 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 8: To throw caution to the win when they get older 809 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 8: and become grumpier in their own way. 810 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 4: But I think that the charge that he is a 811 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 4: partisan has some validity, especially when you look at the 812 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 4: way that he responded to Joe Biden's executive decisions in 813 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 4: areas like immigration and student loans, compared to the way 814 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 4: he's responded to Trump's executive decisions in areas like USAID 815 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,800 Speaker 4: and immigration in other areas. 816 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: I want you to talk about where this goes. We're 817 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 1: coming up on court season every year, like May and June. 818 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,439 Speaker 1: I you know, beginning of May, I start to get 819 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: like that dread because you know they're going to radically 820 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 1: remake the country. There's a lot of anxiety about the 821 00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 1: Voting Rights Act John Roberts's you know favorite Pinota. Do 822 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 1: you see that is where this is going? Like and 823 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: make it make sense with Alito? 824 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, I mean there are two different strands, and 825 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 8: I think this is an ongoing thing. I mean we're 826 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 8: going to see a lot this term. I mean, we 827 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 8: have birthright citizenship just being argued. 828 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: Right, but birthwaite citizenship seems like the case they put 829 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: on the dock to make people. 830 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 8: Find well, yes, I mean it seems easy, especially when 831 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 8: you consider that the conservatives believe in the plain language 832 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 8: of the amendment, and the plain language of the Amendment 833 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 8: if you look to start with a playing language, like 834 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 8: an originalist would say, does strongly suggest but then this 835 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,839 Speaker 8: is going to be a testinally of what you were 836 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 8: saying about partisanship, especially for someone like Aledo. I mean, 837 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 8: this is a real question Alito. Is he a principled 838 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 8: originalist or is he a conservative who wants a conservative 839 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 8: outcome and wants to give maximum discretion to a president 840 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 8: although it seems like a Republican president more than a 841 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 8: democratic president. 842 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen this in like previous Supreme Court seasons, 843 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: let's say, where they take a few cases that are 844 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 1: so out of the mainstreams I guess, to show that 845 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: they still do, theoretically at least believe in some norms. 846 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 4: Well, I know, I. 847 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 8: Think this is a real norm. I mean, birthright citizenship 848 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 8: is going to matter to millions of people. This is 849 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 8: a big, big deal, big big big Yeah. 850 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: But I don't think I think this is one of 851 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,719 Speaker 1: those cases they take to show that they still can 852 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: decide cases in a normal way. 853 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 8: I think that it's going to be more serious than that, 854 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 8: Especially is the next two years unfold because the conservative 855 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 8: legal movement, Let's put it this way, the conservtive legal 856 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 8: movement is the only four strong enough to reign in Trump. 857 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 8: I'll go that far to say that even if the 858 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 8: Democrats take over the US House, you will have Donald 859 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,280 Speaker 8: Trump stretching his executive authority and what he will claim 860 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 8: is the full extent of his powers, but which Democrats 861 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 8: and many others will claim are way exceeding his powers, 862 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 8: way exceeding his powers. It will fall to the conservative 863 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 8: dominated Supreme Court to renin him in It's not just 864 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 8: the birthright citizens chipcase. How about the Federal Reserve case 865 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 8: that hits on a very different level, but that's a 866 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 8: very very important executive power case. 867 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: What about the tariff's case. So he lost on the tariffs, 868 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: all those companies sued, but he's still doing the tariffs. Well, yes, 869 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: but he's backing down in some ways, right, Yeah. 870 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 8: But it's putting the tariffs sort of a path to 871 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,200 Speaker 8: extinction a little bit because the law that he's operating 872 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 8: under now has a time limit on it. That's why 873 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,520 Speaker 8: I would say that. But I think that the tariff's 874 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,359 Speaker 8: case was an important rebuke to Trump. And if you're 875 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 8: one of these conservative justices who lives in this conservative ecosystem, 876 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 8: who talks only to conservative media, who has become more 877 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 8: insulated over time as many of them have breaking with 878 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 8: Trump on something where Donald Trump is furious. He's out 879 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 8: there screaming at them. You know, he's condemning them. They're 880 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,600 Speaker 8: terrible people, They're awful and all that. Once you've broken 881 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,360 Speaker 8: with him, once it becomes easier to break with him again. 882 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 8: So then you have birthright citizenship, and then you have 883 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,280 Speaker 8: the Federal Reserve. 884 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: But Alito did not break with Trump. 885 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 8: Alito did not break with Trump. So yes, we're talking 886 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 8: about Alito here. I would say this. 887 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:53,879 Speaker 4: Will be a test for leader. 888 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 8: Look if come June, I mean, I know the case 889 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 8: is being argued this week, we'll see all the different 890 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,720 Speaker 8: contours play out. But if you know, if the decision 891 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,840 Speaker 8: comes down and it's you know, six to three or 892 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 8: five to four, and let's say Roberts and Barrett join 893 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 8: with the liberals to assert birthright citizenship or something like that, 894 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,840 Speaker 8: you know you will say, wow, you know, Sam Alito 895 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,279 Speaker 8: really is sticking with a Republican. 896 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,239 Speaker 4: Side on these things. You know, he's. 897 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,400 Speaker 8: Looking hard for reasons to defend Trump's executive order. On 898 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,600 Speaker 8: the other hand, as you were suggesting, if it was 899 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,719 Speaker 8: a more sleeping decision, if it was like a nine 900 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 8: to nothing decision, that's a powerful reduke to Trump. And 901 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 8: it also is you know, more than a meaningless fig leaf. 902 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:32,879 Speaker 8: You know, as you were saying, the kind of case 903 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 8: they take just to try to you know, the exception 904 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,880 Speaker 8: that proves the rule that they're with Trump most of 905 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,879 Speaker 8: the time, but once in a while they'll split with him. 906 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,959 Speaker 8: Trump isn't the kind of person who even tolerates people 907 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 8: splitting with him once. So I think it would be 908 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 8: a strong statement if they were nine to nothing on 909 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 8: birthright citizenship. 910 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we will see, we will see. Thank you 911 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,800 Speaker 1: so much, Peter for coming on. This is totally fascinating. 912 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,360 Speaker 4: Excellent revenge for the sixties. 913 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 8: Sam Alito on the triumph of the conservative legal movement 914 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:04,280 Speaker 8: at a bookstore near you. Thank you, no moment, slut 915 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:05,800 Speaker 8: Jesse Cannon. 916 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,839 Speaker 2: So may another case of judges doing the good work 917 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 2: for us. Here a judge has paused Trump's demand for 918 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 2: student race data in seventeen states. 919 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: Why does Donald Trump want student race data? 920 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 3: I believe it's because DEI and Woke. 921 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,799 Speaker 1: This administration's crusade against DEI is dangerous. Letitia James, New 922 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 1: York's Attorney general, someone Donald Trump is also trying to 923 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,480 Speaker 1: prosecute for mortgage fraud. Student should not have to live 924 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: in fear that their personal data would be handed over 925 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,920 Speaker 1: to the federal government, just as schools should not have 926 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,360 Speaker 1: to scramble to produce years of sensitive information to satisfy 927 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:45,880 Speaker 1: an arbitrary and unlawful demand. Linda McMahon, the Education Secretary, 928 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,480 Speaker 1: said that has previously said the policy, which was ordered 929 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,040 Speaker 1: by President Trump in August, was a way to ensure 930 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,839 Speaker 1: that colleges were not considering race and admissions. I mean, 931 00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 1: this is so insane. They're just trying to bully colleges 932 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 1: into not doing di It's so craven. And it's also like, 933 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 1: what's the opposite of anti anti racism? Guess uh? 934 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 3: Is it woke? 935 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,400 Speaker 1: It's racism? 936 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,640 Speaker 3: Oh damn it. 937 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,799 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 938 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,560 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear the best 939 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 1: minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. If 940 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,040 Speaker 1: you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a friend 941 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. Thanks for listening.