WEBVTT - Ep. 51: The Tuggy Is The Druggy 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:09.240 And I swear it's like what Google does after you 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.440 utter the word tuggy sandbox. Suddenly there are just tuggy 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.600 sandboxes everywhere you look. He was all decked out. He 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:17.680 had his develop beam in his bandy pack and his 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.040 best and his hat on. I don't know if he 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:21.959 faced all the time, and he was just like a 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.000 lacko coup or like he was all about it. What 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:27.480 action would you take if one of your paying robs 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.080 let us say, oh, wealthy well to do lady had 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:32.120 a little too much to drink and told you to off. 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:34.159 We'll catch a whole bunch of blues. Will put him 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:36.720 in burlap sacks, throw him in the car, makes vicha 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:41.839 the next that Good morning, degenerate anglers. Welcome to Bent, 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.960 maybe the only podcast that can tell you the taxonomic 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.880 and rigging differences between wax worms, meal worms, blood worms, 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.320 tape worms, ring worms, Canadian worms, San Juan worms, and 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.880 squirmy worms. I'm just from elly A Miles Nulty and 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:58.680 I'll take a dozen extra large Canadian crawlers and a 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:03.080 worm blower, please, a worm blower. You don't hear that much? 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:04.960 You mean you are? You are talking about those those 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.679 little air needles you used to puff up your worms. Yes, 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.240 that is exactly what I'm talking about. It's like for 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.720 those you don't know. It's a it's a little plastic 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.680 bottle with what I can only describe as a body 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:19.080 piercing needle sticking out of the cab, and you stick 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.440 that needle into the into your nightcrawler and give give 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.640 the bottle little squeeze and voila. You got yourself a 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.679 floating worm. Put that bad boy on a slip sinker 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.600 or a lindy rig and a ride, just top off 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.480 the bottom where the fish can find it easier. Yeah. Yeah, 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.240 And if anyone in the boat needs like a septum 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.600 piercing or a tongue ring, just give it a good sterilizing, 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:41.640 you know, pour a little hooch over it, crank up 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.200 some nine inch nails, and just pop it right through. 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:49.560 That's what you do. Oh that you made me physically 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.520 cringe in my seat right there, because I this is true. 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:56.640 When I was sixteen years old, I had my septum pierced, 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:01.880 and you did for everyone who failed anatomy and physiology. 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.840 The septim is that middle flat between your nostrils, like 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.160 it's the bull ring. And I do not recommend letting 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.079 the clerk at the dark side across the street from 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.640 All and one a mall jam a large gauge needle 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.840 through there. It hurts. And and also who won't make 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.519 you look as cool as you hoped or help you 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:21.920 get dates? Doesn't? It didn't work like that for me 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.839 in the nineties anyway. Wow, wow, man, I had no idea. 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.080 Whenever I think I had no idea, and then whatever 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.240 I think of septim piercings, what is the I forget 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.560 which Chris Farley movie it is. Doesn't he rip one 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:33.400 out of dudes? Or now that's out of the nipples, 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.760 he rips it out of the nipples. I never had 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:37.760 the nipple ring that was only piercing I ever did. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:39.320 It was a bad idea. I would see you more 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:41.239 and more as a nipple ring guy in your younger 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.200 days than septim. If I'm being completely honest with you, 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:46.280 you know it was. I just it was. It was 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:50.920 a split second decision, and I regretted it almost immediately. Yeah, 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.800 So I had my ear pierced, and I wore hoops 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.800 ticker gauge hoops for for for too long. I wore 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.240 them and it was like not long after my I 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:01.919 was born. I was like, you know what it's been, 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:03.919 It's been long enough. I don't like, I don't even 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.440 know if this is in style anymore. Like none of 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.760 my friends who had an ears pierced, like we're still 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.200 wearing their stuff. Um, but I never had any desire 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.080 to pierce anything else or like gauge my ears or 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.000 any of that. But this does, This does take me 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.840 back to two younger days and like time spent. I'm 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.680 thinking about hot topic, the piercing pagoda South Street in Philly, 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:26.720 you know, like, and I'll tell you what. The whole 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:28.959 nostalgia vibe you're setting up also makes me think of 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:34.880 the new lunch Bugs soft plastic crawlfish. It does. It 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:39.040 does allow me to quote from the thirteen Fishing website 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.600 who sponsors the show. By the way, are good friends there. Um, 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.120 bringing the lunch bug is like being the kid whose 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.640 mom packed them a lunchable and a snack pack. These 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:52.920 appendages slap harder than the capri. Son also included his 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.480 donkey sauce in order to leave the lingering taste in 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.360 the fish's mouth long after you've gone off. The recess 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.520 also comes pre engineered to float, so you don't need 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:04.680 to hit it with the wormblower to keep it riding 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.880 up off the bottom. That's uh. I don't know who 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:13.000 writes the copy. They should work for us here bent 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.080 and you can say. You can say what you want 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:19.680 about the wormblower. Man, it is legit. I was reminded 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.599 of its power last summer fishing on a finicky bite. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.080 We were in a red lake, Minnesota, and one of 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.760 the locals like pulled out the old school wormblower as 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:32.480 his secret weapon when the we like the freshwater drum 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:36.400 and the wallet both were totally snubbing the floating jigheads. 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.320 So you pulled that bad boy out and it's it's 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:43.800 a little barbaric, but it's highly effective. Yeah, And I'm 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.720 not knocking the wormblower by any stretch. I just feel 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.080 like that's a piece of kit. Once again, it just 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.960 doesn't seem very prevalent in the Northeast fishing culture where 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:53.960 I grew up, Like I know another places in the 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:58.480 Midwestern stuff. Um but um you did in the beginning 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.160 of this, I think have something you would try trying 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.719 to tea up as like a as like a throwback talk. 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.560 You've gotten away from that? What is that you're you're 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:07.720 you're distracting me with all this state of the art 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:13.279 thirteen fishing gear start off topic. Yes, we were going throwback, Wormblowers, 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.880 bad Piercings, nine inch Nails, and a certain Spotify playlist. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.680 If you haven't checked out the Bent playlist on Spotify, 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:23.560 we recommend you do so. My cousin Nikki shout out 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:27.320 to Nick was so inspired by the Bent playlist that 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:32.240 he made his own competing playlist. And you got to 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.200 know Nick is is a is a badass DJ in Hawaii. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.920 He he created this fantastic radio show called Bridging the Gap, 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.800 which you should definitely check out. But in his spare time, 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:48.920 he also created the Bent versus Bridging playlist. Yeah yeah, 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.000 And I don't know Nick, but I want to now 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.839 because Gauntless, Gauntlets, throne Um, and I gotta say, this 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:58.440 is a damn good collection of music, right, It's really good. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.640 The thing is of the reason I I feel like 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:03.520 we have to talk about it is because when I 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.440 looked at that playlist, I immediately thought, damn, how did 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.280 I forget about that song? He's got something about a 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.200 Waitress by the Ziggins. He's got Happy Boy by the 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:16.360 Beat Farmers. He's got Voodoo Glow Skulls that makes us hot. Yep, 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.760 I find myself listening to it often. It's a great 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.320 max props to Nick for he has Cold Beverage by 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.679 g Love in the special Sauce. That's a Philly band 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:28.200 that's like Hometown Pride. G Love right there and some 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.960 are Loving from Greece as covered by the Vandals, which 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.800 you have not heard that. It's not just the standard 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:40.560 covers right now. It's raunchy. They they reworked some lyrics. Um, 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.680 but I will say man like, while while his playlist 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:47.919 might be tighter than ours, is it better? I don't know, 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.720 and we think, Um, you all should decide, Okay, So 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.599 look up the Bent Verse bridging playlist on Spotify, um, 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.200 and let us know if you think it's better than 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.400 the Bent playlist. We'll also we'll throw some links up 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.159 on our instagram ms two so you guys can find 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:05.119 it easier. But our playlist, it really continues to grow 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:09.000 and evolve. In our first guest today, Mr brad Leone, 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.320 our buddy, Um, he actually added a few tracks to 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.800 the Bent mix and lately, we've been asking select guests 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.920 to contribute a few jams, and Brad added get this 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:23.640 Ghoul's Night Out by the Misfits, because it turns out 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.480 he's a huge Misfits fan, which means I like him 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.400 even more. He also went to school with bass player 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.200 Jerry only Kids, and was backstage at the Reunion show 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.480 in Newark, New Jersey a few years ago while I 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:39.400 was in the Nosebleeds for two ticket, so like, I 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.720 was like, yeah, of course you are. He's like backstage bro, 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.440 I'm like, yeah, of course you are. Um. He Also 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.960 he also dropped cool Water and he wanted it by 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.560 the old school country singer Marty Robbins. Okay, And while 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.000 I appreciate that choice very much, I hope he doesn't mind. 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.240 I'm gonna take a little liberty with that pick, and 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.520 I'm just gonna switch it to the Hank Williams Senior 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.960 version of cool One because that one it's much more 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:07.920 sad and depressing. And while I'm not a country music guy, 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.400 Hank Williams Sr. Was like a badass mother like, he 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.880 was pure punk rocks, and I'm a huge fan. I 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.480 might even add more Hank anyway, Brad and I are 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.720 going to get all the stalgic about blue fish party 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:31.280 boats in this week's Smooth Moves. Why so today with 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:35.120 us on Smooth Moves, we got a familiar voice, Chef Angler, 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:39.200 friend of the show, Brad the only welcome back, sir, gentlemen, 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.120 thank you for having me. Yeah, so all right, this 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.000 is this is a little out of your normal element 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.520 where we're messing up the segment a little bit. Like normally, 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:49.280 what we do here is we get a guide or 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.640 a charter captain or a shop ride or somebody to 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.440 tell a story about a client doing something stupid. But 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.320 in talking to Joe, we are all for showcasing the 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:03.520 diverse menager of entertaining stupidity that just happens to blossom 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.839 on fishing trips. Like we're we're opening it up. So 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.960 even though you're not a guide or a charter captain, uh, 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.160 you do still have a good story to tell us. 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:14.040 So what's your smooth move? Yeah, so smooth move. You know, 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.920 I haven't done many big charter outfits like personal ones 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.520 or anything like that, but like growing up, you know, 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.640 we went out on party boats to bunch, chase and 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.000 strike bass and you know, that's your paying to go 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:26.840 out on someone's boat. So I think that that puts 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.040 us in the in the category of qualification here. Absolutely, 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.280 and I'm excited because like some of the most crazy 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:33.920 shit I've ever seen in my life has been on 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.720 a party boat. Yeah, I could write a book about it. 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:41.840 So there, absolutely, there, incredible And we were going out 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:43.440 and like hopefully, if anything at the end of the 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.680 days for someone who is not familiar with the fish 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.400 I'm about to talk about, or a party boat or 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.800 anything for that matter, we can all learn something here. 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.120 So we're going out. This one that I was young, 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:55.400 you know, I was going out with my dad out 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.000 of New Jersey, out of u What the hell is 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:03.040 that in? Wherein the hawks at? Is that Bellmar? Yeah? 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.360 Bis Bellmar? Right? Oh yeah, I'm going out of New 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.880 Jersey there on the party boat. And uh, you know 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.120 the one guy next to me, you know strangers, you know, 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.160 there's one guy next to me. He was all all 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.240 decked out. He had his LLL bean and his in 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.440 his you know, his Fannie pack and his vest and 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.080 his hat on and he had he had a trout 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.000 vest on on a party boat like this dude was 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.640 like ready to go. Like he was probably like I 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:27.480 don't know if he fished all the time, and he 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:29.960 was just like a lack o kok or like this 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.040 was just like his first time and he was all 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.520 about it. Yeah, you were what you were. You you'll 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.280 fish and you wear the vest. That's everyone knows that. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.480 You know. He was ready. He had his rags and 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.760 his little tonaim flippers and he was ready to do, 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.680 you know, and like and that's great and like so whatever. 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:47.959 So we're fishing. We're going out for stripe fast, you know, 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.520 a half day boat or something, and before you know, 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:52.679 we're you over throwing diamond jigs. Before you know, we're 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.240 getting into these bluefish and like pretty good sized bluefish, 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.319 twelve fourteen pounders. It's nice ones, you know, ten ten 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.480 pounders or whatever. And I'll never forget this, you know, 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:03.360 my dad, you know, my dad always told me. But 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.920 this guy, he's fighting this fish, you know, a big 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.080 shit eating grin and he gets this thing up on 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.640 the deck, you know, and he goes and picks it 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:12.880 up with you know, thumbs it like a bast and 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:17.080 he was just like there was just blood his rag 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.040 and there's always a little cute little here he had 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.160 was just covered in his own blood and uh, and 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.360 then the whole trip he just like he was just 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.439 wrapped up into the paper towels and paper or something 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.120 and he sat in the cabins. But pointing to the 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.040 story being, you know, those those yellow like demons, they've 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:34.920 got some razor teeth and you can't just go you 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.000 can't just go shoving your fingers in any kind of 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:40.360 fish's mouth. So that's a great tip. But also, now 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:42.800 that I know the story, I'm going to guess that 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.360 the vest and all that ship was a sign of 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.800 of of of not knowing what he was doing. He 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.040 was not a veteran. It probably was his first time. 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.400 But man, dude, I have seen you only make that 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.400 mistake once, and I have seen so many people do 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.120 that over the years. And what people don't know is 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:58.920 those fish, I don't know, if you know this, they 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.440 actually have an ant coagulant in their saliva. So like 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.400 if you get oh yeah, dude, if you get if 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.400 you get nipped by a blue fish, and they will 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.679 like take the they will take the tip of your 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.720 thumb off. You won't even feel it right away. Like 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:14.199 their teeth are so razor sharp. But then it bleeds 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.480 forever and ever. Yeah, like his friends get a sent 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.960 to the blood and the water exactly, that's what they do, 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:24.040 Like Piranha commodo dragons. They're also the only fish that 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.400 will eat till they're stuffed and then vomit and keep eating. 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.200 That's also true. That's the real thing that bluefish do. 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:35.080 But just spit stuff up on the deck. And I 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.480 love them, one of my favorite fish. Oh dude, they're 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:39.000 they're a blasts and we don't have time to get 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:40.839 into it. But like I missed those days when we 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.560 were kids of going out nighttime blue fish, and there's 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.120 not that many around anymore. Those nighttime blue fish trips 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.280 don't run. But man, like the amount of gaffs I've 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.040 been seen go through hands and fingers torn up onlines 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.520 on those old blue fish boats, I miss it. Like 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.520 I hope that swings back around for my kids because 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.680 it's it's such an experience that I miss it a lot. 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.240 But cheers to the party boat and ocean health man. Yeah, man, 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.160 we should all get together on a party boat at 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.560 some point down the line. Oh my god, I would 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.640 love to do that. Miles, you're gonna have to fly out. 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:13.680 We'll go out in the party boat, right, maybe we won't. 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.920 You do not need to convince me about this. I was. 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.000 I was off fishing with Joe last month. It was 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.400 a blast. I will go do that again any day. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:22.960 And the party. I've heard so much about the party 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:24.960 boat scene. I feel like I just have to experience 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:32.840 it for myself because people start freaking them. Hold your 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.720 ride out straight, movie rod moved down. Fish, it's nuts. 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.000 We'll come a whole bunch of coming down the line. 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:42.440 You're walking down, over and under people's rodsulos. We'll catch 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.640 a whole bunch of blues. Will put him in burlap sacks, 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.320 throw him in the car, makes of each other next around. 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:55.199 This is a lot of fun boys. I may not 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.360 know shit about blue fish. I don't. I've never caught one. 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:03.240 But even I know you don't lip a blue fish 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.960 like that's a terrible idea. Yeah, but I didn't. You 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:08.839 also ask me if you should lip a bow fin 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.280 when we fished for those. Am I remembering that right 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:15.480 that happened? I did that I did in my defense, 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:18.319 if you look at a both in their teeth are 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.920 not nearly as obvious, like if you you look at 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.600 a blue fish and you just see teeth both in 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:30.720 it's it's it's more subtle behind the gums exactly. So 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.800 I will admit that wasn't my my smartest moment. I 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.000 will defend it, but admit that it was kind of 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.720 a stupid thing to say. Yeah, Well, hopefully you're feeling 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.400 a little smarter than that today because you are going 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.880 to need all the wits you got to compete against 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:52.320 me in fish news. Fish news. That escalated quickly. We've 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.640 got a little bit of exciting housekeeping before we get 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:58.000 rolling into news this week. Meat Eaters new audio book 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:02.880 al Right, Campfire Stories, Lowest Calls recently dropped, and this 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.480 is this is a pretty cool project. Um that anyone 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.640 that listens to any of the Mediator podcast or just 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.800 really kind of like appreciates a great story. I think 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.520 we'll really dig you'll really enjoy this. We obviously like 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.120 the the auditory format of storytelling. We do a lot 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.720 of it. We think it's powerful. And the theme of 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:24.960 this audio book, and it's only an audio book, you 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.560 can't get a hard copy, the theme is close calls. 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.400 So all sixteen of the stories are true tales of survival, 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:36.080 grit and maybe a little misfortune in the outdoors. And 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.760 there are a few very hairy fishing related stories in 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:42.360 the midst We got the hunting in the survival stories 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.880 courses media, but there the fishing makes an appearance. Here 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:50.120 it pops up. One example, my good buddy Thad Robinson 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.920 of Geo Bass Fame tells the story where he was 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.240 fishing and filming on a remote river in Columbia and 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.520 he and his his crew were hammering giant fish, Like 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.520 they got in there and just started hammering giant fish, 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:05.200 and all of a sudden, the local cocaine cartel shows 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:09.320 up and things get real interesting from there. Yeah. And 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.880 like on a personal note, I remember seeing that they 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.160 touch on that in Geo Bass if I remember correctly, 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.640 But then hearing it this way, you get the backstory 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:20.160 that you didn't get if you saw that, like it goes, 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.680 it goes deeper. You know. I got the back story 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.600 at a bar years ago, and so I'm glad that 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.280 it is now immortalized on test. Yes, and there's also 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:31.840 just add there's a ripper of a story from our 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:36.080 own colleague Brodie Henderson about his guiding days when he 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.560 saved a four year old kid that was trapped under 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.480 a boat and Matt like, dude, it gets the pulse 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.080 up like I I almost call that the most haunting 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.120 story in the collection. But we don't want to give 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.280 too many details away, right, We don't want to spoil it. 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.840 We don't want spoil No spoilers, no spoilers. You can 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.840 find Campfire Stories in the Meteor store. We think you 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:55.760 should check it out. It'll give you something cool and 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.320 and very well polished to listen to on Fridays after 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:03.280 listening to our nerdy less cool, perhaps less polished ramblings 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.680 here on bent Oh I do. I think our audio 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.320 engineer Phil would argue with the unpolished partner statement. But 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.920 but Phil, don't worry like that. But we're not talking 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:17.440 about the audio quality, just the content. You polished these 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.680 territories to a high mirror shine on a weekly basis. Um. 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.439 Phil also declares a news winner every week because remember 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.600 this is a competition. Miles and I do not know 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.359 which news stories the other guy is bringing to the table, 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.679 and it is your leadoff this week, my friend. All right, 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.919 I'm gonna lead with my big story and then go 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:38.080 into my less big, stupider story. We talk a lot 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.520 about red tides and fish kills in Florida, and there's 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.040 a good reason why we keep hitting that topic and 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:47.040 why it keeps coming up. Water mismanagement in Florida is 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:52.359 steadily decimating some of this country's greatest fishing. And you 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:54.560 can say what you will about Florida. God knows, we 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.200 have made our fair share of Florida men and salt 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:02.480 life jokes, right, but I will admit publicly that there's 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.199 a strong case to be made the Florida is the 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:08.680 greatest fishing state in the nation. It really is. The 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.920 problem is we're ruining it. And to get a better 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:18.320 understanding of the history and impacts of freshwater mismanagement in Florida, 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.679 I really recommend that you read an article on the 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.320 Meat Eater dot com by our good friends Sam Longdren. 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:28.359 It's called Florida Water Crisis is new leadership Finally turning 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.960 the tide. That article came out a few years ago, 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.840 so the takeaways are a little dated, but Sam does 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:38.400 a great job of contextualizing how and why we got 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:42.480 to the situation we're in now, where every couple of years, 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.280 red tides bloom on one or both coasts, of Florida 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.520 and millions of fish die, which is happening right now, 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.879 and the primary reason for the unnaturally large red tides 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.120 and consistent fish kills has to do with how we've 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:01.280 changed the way freshwater moves through the state of Floriaida. Historically, 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:05.960 Central Florida's annual deluges of rain slowly snaked through the 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:10.199 Cassimmee River, filled up Lake Okeechobee, the eighth largest natural 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:14.399 lake in the country, and and drifted and filtered south 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:19.000 through the massive marsh system that once covered basically all 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.800 of South Florida, which were called Everlades, before finally winding 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:26.000 up in Florida Bay. Through the twentieth century, we've changed 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:29.440 the hydrology of that area to allow people and agriculture 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.920 to exist in those South Florida swamps and marshes. As 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:36.159 Sam describes in the article, we did this by quote 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:40.200 controlling Lake os size and temperament by redirecting much of 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:42.040 the water that used to flow down through the Glades 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.679 west out the Cloosa Hatchie River to Pine Island Sound, 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:49.159 and east out the St. Lucy River to the Indian 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:53.320 River Lagoon. The natural flows southward through the Everglades into 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.760 Florida Bay was largely blocked to protect growing communities and 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:01.320 infrastructure and to promote sugarcane agriculture here to the southeast 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.080 of the lake. At the time, the project was nothing 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.280 short of miraculous. Enterprising, and brilliant Americans had tamed a 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.879 volatile inland sea and transformed a wasteland of treacherous swamp 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:15.119 into an oasis of habitable and highly arable land. The Everlades, 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.520 starved of fresh water, have been shrinking and dying ever since. 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:21.359 About half of the original blades are now urban or 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:25.439 agricultural areas. Much of the rest is drying up or 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:29.880 suffering saltwater incursion. Pine Island Sound and the Indian River 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.600 Lagoon are experiencing the opposite problem, too much fresh water, 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:36.680 in the form of billions of gallons of nutrient laden 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:40.119 water diverted from the lake to the Atlantic and the 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:44.040 Gulf of Mexico. That's a very simplified version of what's 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.600 going on. I recommend you read the bigger picture, but 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:48.399 that gives you some sense what I'm talking about. We 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:51.120 know the problem, The question is what are we gonna 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:56.200 do about it? And for years, anglers, conservationists and Dedicated 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.240 groups like Captains for Clean Water and Friends of the 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:02.560 Everlades have lobbied and Spot for Water Management to consider 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:09.440 the impacts on fish and fisheries. After two years of meetings, modeling, debates, 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:13.880 and heated discussions, the Army Corps of Engineers just recently 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:19.040 put forth a recommended Lake Okachobee Systems Operating Manual that 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:24.280 would help dictate what happens to the lake's water. The 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:27.080 draft big this is this is big news. I kind 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:28.800 of buried the bead here, but this is big news. 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:32.919 The draft, which has a weird title. It's titled Plans 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.720 c C, would more than triple the quantity of water 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:40.359 flowing south through the Everglades into Florida Bay and cut 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:44.840 discharges into the St. Lucy Estuary by about two thirds. 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:49.280 These changes could yield significant positive impacts for the southern 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:52.120 and eastern coast of Florida, but the plan is it's 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:57.000 currently written, fails to address water discharge issues out of 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:01.679 the Kloosa Hatchie River on Florida's west coast. Captains for 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:03.879 Clean Water, a group of anglers in Florida who have 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:07.600 been fighting to protect fisheries for years, and full transparency 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:09.000 It is run by a couple of guys who I 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:12.880 consider friends. I genuinely think they're doing great work, but 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:15.440 I'm also buddies with them, so keep that in mind. 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:19.960 They put out the following statement. Plan CC provides a 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:23.480 good starting point, but needs significant modifications in order to 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:27.880 provide the most benefit to all stakeholders. Making these modifications 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:30.760 will decrease the likelihood of toxic discharges to the St. 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:34.920 Lucy and Closa Hatchie Estuaries, ensure drinking water supply for 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:38.639 millions of Floridians, provide dry season hydration the Everlades, and 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:43.440 help to mitigate hyper salinity in Florida Bay. The Core 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:45.720 is planning to spend the next month on a quote 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.960 listening tour to get feedback on the proposed plan before 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:53.200 finalizing the decision in August. And so now, right now, 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:56.680 this moment is the time to get involved. So many people, 0:22:56.800 --> 0:23:00.359 so many people have done huge amounts of work to 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.760 arrive where we are at this exact moment. The next 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:06.959 ten years of water management in Florida will be decided 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:09.920 by this plan, and it's gonna be a make or 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:13.560 break thing. Yeah, this is I cannot stress this enough. 0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:16.520 This is a big deal, And all I'm asking you 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:19.879 to do is send an email and and grab a 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:23.320 pen because you're you're you're gonna need to write this 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:25.600 address down. You're not gonna remember this this email address. 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:28.440 I will also put it in my Instagram, even though 0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:31.400 I'm terrible about that, and to get you a little 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:33.840 carrot to get you to to check it out, I 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:36.320 will put it in a post that includes a very 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.919 embarrassing photo of me with a solid mullet holding a 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:42.560 tarpet in Florida, so you can look forward to that anyway, 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:47.560 Oh on our repost that then I'm into Please write 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:51.760 an email too, ok at Chobe that's okay, E E 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:58.520 C H O B E E Watershed Restoration at U 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:03.520 S A C E dot Army dot M. I l oh, 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:06.160 they got to shorten that up. You got that wet 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:09.080 that they need a bit ley Lincoln there man something 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:12.000 that No, you didn't I know you didn't get that. 0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:14.840 That's okay. You can check out my I G. You 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:17.879 can check out Joe's edgy. And if you're feeling overwhelmed 0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:21.719 by this, there's an easier, though somewhat less impactful thing 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:23.720 you can do. You can go to the Captain's for 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:27.600 Clean Water website and they have this this very straightforward 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:31.080 form letter that's like a call to action that they 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:33.320 will help you send if you want to go that route, 0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:36.480 um that that would simplify it. It might not be 0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:38.640 as impactful, but you could do that road as well. 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:40.320 I just gotta say, this is one of those rare 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:43.399 moments when we can actually have a positive influence on 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.680 our fisheries and and it really will not take more 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:50.600 than ten minutes of your time. Yeah, yeah, And it's 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:53.760 it's interesting, like for as much trouble as Florida as having, 0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:57.000 there's so many conservation issues out there where like it 0:24:57.080 --> 0:24:59.440 takes so long just to pinpoint the root of the problem. 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:01.320 And even though it's not really as simple as I'm 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:03.080 gonna make it sound, this is one where it's like 0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:06.399 there's kind of sort of a switch we can flip 0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:08.320 to stop all this, you know what I mean, Like 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:12.120 we know exactly what the issue is, and certainly there's 0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:16.320 just an incredible politics and and so much involved in that, 0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:20.440 but it's a very identifiable problem, so you know what's 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:23.640 going wrong. We we know the problem. Yeah, and were 0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:26.760 actually there. This is a moment where there's movement to 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.480 change the way that that water is utilized and managed, 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:34.160 and it's crucially important that we get this right. Well, 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:38.200 I'll tell you what, man Um, Like you said, the 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:42.880 next ten years are going to be so critical in 0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:47.440 this fight. Like if it doesn't flip within the next 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:50.959 ten years, maybe even sooner like it will, it's going 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:54.719 to get to a point of no repair. Yeah. So 0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.159 I'm I was really happy to see this news pop up, 0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:00.920 and I very much hope that the outcome of this 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:03.240 is one that that benefits the fish and the fisheries 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:05.239 in Florida and the anglers all of us who want 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:09.280 to go fish there, because it's pretty amazing. Yeah, Florida. 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:12.359 So Miles has just enriched us and and and giving 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:14.520 us a call to action to do something great. I'm 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:16.320 going to do no such thing with this story other 0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:18.320 than to say, hopefully within the next ten years the 0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:20.600 glades are good, because maybe within those ten years my 0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:23.440 son will be selling his first boat for a bigger 0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:26.320 boat that maybe he could run down there in Florida 0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:30.080 in the in the newly rejuvenated every Glades. I don't 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:34.840 know that was a dumb transition ten years. Yeah, you'll 0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:38.400 understand in a minute. Okay, because I've been pretty bombarded 0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:41.439 about my first little story and I appreciate everyone sending 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:44.200 it along. I actually saw it as a Facebook post 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:48.959 before it became real news, which I use real lightly. 0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:52.000 But this is this is just so fantastic. Okay, Uh, 0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:55.440 this is from wish tv dot com out of Indiana, headline, 0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:59.320 tiny tug boat takes Lake Monroe by storm. And yes, 0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:03.720 the tiny tug boat in question is a tuggy sandbox. 0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:06.040 Wait wait, wait, like the same one that you have 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:09.040 in your backyard, the one that you got off of 0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:12.040 the Craigslist ad with the woman that didn't speak in English. 0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:14.600 That one. Yeah, she just pointed it ship same one, 0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:18.000 And I was gonna say it's like the tuggy seems 0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.919 to have inadvertently become like the official boat of the 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.679 Bent podcast ever since we brought it up in that 0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:26.359 Sale Been segment a while back. Because in that segment, 0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:29.080 I noted that the tuggy is no longer made. It's 0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:31.159 been out of production for a while, making it a 0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:33.959 hot commodity already. And now I believe this podcast has 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:37.560 driven the price higher. Right, Like I posted a shot 0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:40.840 on Instagram from a listener of an abandoned tuggy flipped 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:42.880 over in a trout stream, and people were like, oh, 0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:45.040 we took that how to pack that thing out like 0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:48.560 an elk? Right, So, needless to say, I've gotten just 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:52.040 all manner of tuggy photos since then, But now here 0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:54.479 comes this story, and I swear it's like it's like 0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:58.240 what Google does, like after you utter the word tuggy sandbox, 0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:02.600 suddenly there are just tuggy sandboxes everywhere you look. That's 0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:05.360 how I feel like it's been since that sale been 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:09.800 anyway from the story. A Facebook post by the Indiana 0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:13.520 Department of Natural Resources drew plenty of attention over the weekend. 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.639 In the post, d n R officers on Lake Monroe 0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.720 appeared to be ticketing a man in a tiny tug boat. 0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:22.400 That's not exactly what happened, though, so everyone who sent 0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:24.560 this to me, right, because in the picture you see 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:27.359 tattoo dude in a tugg e and like off the 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:29.240 side of the frame is an arm coming out with 0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:32.239 a citation right to hold hold, hold hold on. Let 0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:33.919 me ask a couple of questions. I need, I need 0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:36.719 to see this in my head. Is he floating on 0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:41.320 a body of water? In sandbox. He's floating in the 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:45.360 tuggy sandbox. There is an electric trolling motor on the sandbox, 0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:47.200 and it looks like the d n R boat is 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:48.880 sidled up next to him. All you see is a 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:50.880 d n R officer's arm coming out of the side 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.880 of the frame handing in paperwork. Okay, continue, Okay, So 0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:58.240 everyone who sent this claimed to me that he was 0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:02.000 getting ticketed because his tug he wasn't registered, tuggy didn't 0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:06.400 have numbers, okay, which made sense in my head because 0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:08.880 I'm thinking, like, if you're the kind of person that's 0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:11.920 you know, going to uh turn a tuggy into an 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:16.200 actual usable vessel, you might not be too concerned about numbers. Okay, 0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:18.080 but he does also have a trolley motor, like I said, 0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:22.400 But that's that's that's inaccurate. The DNR replied to their 0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:25.320 post and explain the encounter in more detail. They said, 0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:28.280 to answer the question if he was receiving a ticket, No, 0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:33.480 the boat is registered and I was handing him his 0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:37.880 registration paperwork back. He was totally legal and a fun 0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:44.160 guy to chat with. This is so much Yeah, I 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:47.800 was like, damn, dude, registered, is tuggy like that's exceptional. 0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:50.360 So who is this tuggy pirate? Well, it's Kentucky native 0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:53.200 Nick Riley, of course. And while I wish there was 0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:58.160 more detail, because there isn't. Nick has apparently restored and 0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:02.800 made many Tuggies seaworthy. What like this is a thing 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:06.720 he does often in his spare time. And in this 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:10.440 man on the show, Oh I'm getting there, okay, okay. 0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:13.440 In the story he said, we have cup holders, we 0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:15.840 have boat cleats so we can tie up to other boats. 0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:18.720 We recently just put a Bluetooth speaker in one. I 0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:20.560 didn't bring that one with me, but you can have 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:24.880 tunes while you're driving your boat. So listen, Like this 0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:29.320 dude is like he's like pimping out Tuggies. It's not 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:32.520 a stunt. There were like several photos he provided of 0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:35.080 his home where there's like you know how car guys 0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:37.320 have like five cars in the driveway. Dudes got like 0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:41.400 all different model Tuggies and all different all different stages 0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:45.880 of restoration. Right, He's like the American restoration guy specifically 0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.080 for Tuggies. And what I was getting at with the 0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:50.480 boat earlier is like seeing that my son Jamie, he 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:53.560 he loves his tugg e and b is literally fishing, 0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:56.960 like off the couch with rubber sharks and stuff like that. 0:30:57.400 --> 0:30:59.920 Like I'm starting to wonder should I send our tuggy 0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:05.200 to Nick for restoration? And Nick, if you're listening, let's talk. 0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:08.280 I'm really not kidding because he's only three, right, so 0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:12.080 there aren't exactly a lot of personal watercraft options for 0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.720 three year old. I've looked into this, okay, Like the 0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:17.440 smallest kitty kayak you can buy is still too big 0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:20.520 for him. Um. But the crazy thing is, like getting 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.080 a tuggy to float is not easy. It requires real 0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:25.520 work because they don't have a bottom, right, and the 0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:29.200 shell is just thin, hollow plastic that's open on the bottom. 0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:31.080 And I've watched a few videos. I don't think these 0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:33.960 dudes where his skill is nick Um. But if you're 0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:37.560 serious about floating one, like guys, pump him full of foam, 0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:39.960 you know, like shoot him up with foam. You gotta 0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:42.520 make them water tight, you gotta build a bottom. It's 0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:46.240 legit work. But if ours floated, I'd totally drag it 0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:48.040 behind one of my boats and let the kid bob 0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:50.520 aroun on a laker in the bay, you know, tie 0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:52.280 him off to a little rope, give him a little fish, 0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:54.600 Like how badass would it be for him to tell 0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:57.160 people later like I got my first boat at three? 0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:00.719 You know what I mean? Would you first boat? Oh? 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:03.160 It was eighteen, no three, I had my first book. 0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:06.240 And it's a perfect for him. So I'm extremely tempted. 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:09.240 I want to just do Like I want to do 0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:11.680 a covering water segment with this guy and find out, 0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:14.360 like how did he get into tug your restoration where 0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:18.640 I'm betting we can get him. What's the most that 0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:20.719 anyone's ever paid him for a tuggy? Like there are 0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:23.440 so many things I would love to know. Man, maybe 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:25.920 he's interested in doing. Like if I cover the shipping, 0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:29.520 do a custom bent tuggy. Oh man, your kid running 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:33.760 around the custom bent tuggy? Yeah, then all I then 0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:36.520 all I have is build a custom trailer for the 0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:41.840 cozy coop and the kids off. I already I'm not 0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:44.360 even kidding, Like I put rod holders and everything he has, 0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:46.400 everything he has, he wants a piece of PVC on 0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:51.160 for his little ice fishing rod. Yeah. I hope this 0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:53.440 goes somewhere. I really hope that we get some followed 0:32:53.440 --> 0:33:00.880 through on this and it goes somewhere. You know, you 0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:05.120 were talking about d n R officers who who ultimately 0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:08.479 we're doing the right thing and coming through. Uh. In 0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:11.760 this case, some DNR officers did some really good work, 0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.520 and you know, it wasn't a perfect outcome, but I 0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:16.680 think I think we can give them some credits. So 0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:20.080 I'm gonna close out my contributions this week with a 0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:23.640 short one and and this is sadly another story about 0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.800 fish poachers in the great state of Oregon, which we're 0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:29.719 gonna have to come back to. Thirty one year old 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:33.640 Tyler Warren was recently sentenced to three years of federal 0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:37.920 probation and forty hours of community service for illegally taking 0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:41.680 bull trout from the Metolius River. He also got a 0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:44.040 thousand dollar fine and a three year suspension of his 0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:48.400 fishing license. Warren was not alone. His buddy, thirty year 0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:52.120 old Thomas R. Campbell, was right there with him back 0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:56.280 in December when the two harvested an unknown number of 0:33:56.400 --> 0:34:01.200 bull trout out of the Metolius. These two are clearly 0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:05.800 not MENSA candidates, because the following day, Campbell posted photos 0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:09.000 of himself with what looked like dead bull trout to Instagram, 0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:12.200 which tipped some people off. Can I interrupt you for 0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:14.600 one second and just tell you that if the tug 0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:18.399 E hadn't become news, we were crossing over. I had 0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:20.960 this and the tugg E news dropped and I was like, 0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:23.880 tugg E beats poachers. But this is a good story 0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:27.680 and the the outcome is right up your alley. Tell 0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.160 you for the win again. Yeah, there you go. I'm 0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:32.600 glad you're doing it. They post these foes to Instagram 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.640 and then tip some folks off. So investigators then go 0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:39.399 in and they seized Campbell's phone where they found just 0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:42.960 damning evidence, Like there are pictures of these guys cooking 0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:46.600 bull trout filets. There's a picture where they're posing with 0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:49.000 a dead bull trout that they stuff and they stuffed 0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:51.959 like a beer can in its mouth. Uh. There's another 0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:55.520 photo where they're carrying two bags full of bull trout filets. 0:34:56.560 --> 0:35:00.440 It was pretty yeah. Yeah, And last year Ambule was 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:04.080 sentenced to five years federal probation, a six thousand dollar fine, 0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:06.840 and three hundred hours of community service to be served 0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:11.719 on habitat restoration and conservation projects, which I support. Now, 0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:16.120 bullshroutter listed is threatened under the Endangered Species Act, but 0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:19.719 the Matolis River has a relatively healthy population and it's 0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:21.319 one of the few places in the U s where 0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:25.080 anglers are allowed to target them. Keeping bull trout, however, 0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:28.239 is a federal crime. Not to mention, it's just kind 0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:29.880 of a shitty thing to do. If you ask me, 0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:34.279 go wax some rainbows, bonk a few browns. I don't care. 0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:37.680 Bull trout are not in grade shape these days. And 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:42.440 the thing is, incidents like these they jeopardize what little 0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:45.800 bull trout fishing opportunities are left in this country. For examp, 0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:48.839 my state, Montana, we only have one watershed left where 0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:52.200 you're allowed to fish for bullies. And so I'm not 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:54.640 so much pissed about the individual fish like that sucks. 0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:57.640 Killing those fish sucks, But I'm I'm more pissed about 0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:00.120 what this does to the public image of anglers and 0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:02.960 the potential that incidents like this have to convince management 0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:06.480 agencies that the public just doesn't responsible enough to to 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.880 have nice things like being allowed to fish for bull trout, 0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:11.720 and they can easily go in and shut that down 0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:14.920 if it looks like people are gonna keep doing idiocy 0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:18.040 like this. And my final question is like, what's up 0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:22.000 with fish poaching in Oregon? Just a few weeks ago, 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.160 we we ran that story about the group of folks 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:28.280 who were stealing steelhead out of O. D. F W's 0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:32.719 fish traps. Is this is this random coincidence or or 0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:35.640 is fish poaching a rampant problem in Oregon? That I 0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:38.200 don't know. That's what made me think of you, because 0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:40.640 I remember at the end of that story we were saying, like, 0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:43.839 what's enough punishment for these guys? Like a million years 0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:47.680 of community service that's all based on habitat restoration. So 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:49.839 when I read this, I was like, oh, like they 0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:54.160 hit that kid. Now three hundred hours of community service 0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:58.680 that has to be done on habitat restoration, which I appreciate. Yeah, 0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:00.520 it was because at the end of that story, though, 0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:02.000 I called out and I said, what do you guys 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:05.239 think would be an appropriate punishment to fit this crime? 0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:07.640 And we got some We didn't get a ton of responses, 0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:10.880 but we got a few suggestions, and interestingly, they all 0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:15.200 the common denominator was that the violator in question should 0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:18.759 suffer some kind of public humiliation. That was what all 0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:20.799 of you seem to want the most of, like like 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.359 make these people publicly humiliated and have to own their 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:27.600 crime that way. So, for whatever it's worth, from here 0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:29.640 on out, I'm gonna make a point of calling these 0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:33.320 folks out by name whenever I report on fish poaching incidents. 0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:35.400 I'm not saying that our little podcast here is going 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:38.160 to act as a significant detern for bad behavior, but maybe, 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.200 like maybe one or two people will think twice before 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:44.600 doing something stupid to avoid getting called out by us, 0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:48.080 And to me, that's enough that that that's success. Well, 0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:51.120 one thing this story didn't really clarify that I'm curious about. 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:54.880 If you look at the charges and the sentencing, Warren 0:37:54.960 --> 0:38:00.120 got significantly fewer hours, significantly lighter probation, but yet the 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.960 damning evidence was pictures of him, like it seemed like 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:06.200 from the story, doing the worst stuff. So I figure 0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:11.000 that dude had the better lawyer and like snitched on 0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:15.200 the other guys because all the damning photos were of him. 0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:21.080 Yet the Campbell dude that So I don't know what 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:22.840 was going on there, and I also don't understand I 0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.680 would imagine there, I don't know, maybe some COVID related stuff, 0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.360 But like you said, they just got sentenced. He just 0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:31.920 got sentenced very recently, but that's a big gap between 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:35.520 December and now. Like I'm not sure why that took 0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:39.520 so long. But they also pleaded guilty so that they 0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:41.680 didn't fight this. I mean, how are you gonna not 0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:44.440 guilty when their photos of you holding giant bags of 0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:46.560 filets of dead bulltog You can't be like no, no, 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:48.640 that didn't happen, Like, how you can are you gonna 0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:52.640 plead not guilty? There? Yeah, so good sentencing, and I agree, Like, 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:54.239 let's just even if it's a short story, let's just 0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:58.440 keep calling poachers out by name, get their names out there. Yep, yep, totally. 0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:00.319 We'll see again. I don't know what's going to do anything, 0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:01.960 but that's what we're gonna We're gonna do that here. 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:05.560 That's our little part. Okay, Well, I'm gonna close out 0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:09.759 with a feel good story here, I think, uh, I 0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:12.520 think we should do that. Uh. And I don't really 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:14.960 have a good I don't really have a good tie, 0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:17.160 so I'm not gonna try and make one. I'm just 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:21.760 gonna move along and say this is a feel good story. Um, 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:23.800 but I think it may have hit on a premise 0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:26.920 that could be adopted all over the world. So This 0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:29.719 comes from the Drum dot com and the story is 0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:34.000 about a fishing tournament of sorts in Mexico and this 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:37.680 happened on the West coast in Mositlan, where like in 0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:41.000 all Mexican coastal towns, you have a lot of commercial fishermen. 0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:43.239 And bear in mind, of course, that when we're talking 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:46.080 about commercial fishermen in Mexico, like I'm I'm not really 0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:48.640 referring to like a crew on a big trawler, right, 0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:51.680 We're talking about the thousands of independent guys that go 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.279 out every day in tiny pongas and row boats and 0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:57.239 whatever they can cobble together to try and catch a 0:39:57.239 --> 0:40:00.279 few fish to sell and feed their families. And and uh, 0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:02.440 we're talking about a group of folks that I mean, 0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:04.719 these guys have a pretty hard life, right, These guys 0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.680 struggle to make a couple bucks a day at best, 0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:10.719 and that's due to many factors, you know, making any 0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:13.680 sort of living this way in the into orders of 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.279 Mexico is just getting tougher and tougher and tougher all 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:18.840 the time. And of course one of those big factors 0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:23.760 is pollution. So beer Giant Corona, one of my favorite 0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:27.200 summer beers. They came up with a concept they called 0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:30.320 plastic fishing. And what they did was they got eighty 0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:34.480 of these local, independent commercial fishermen to compete against each 0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:36.919 other in a tournament to see who could haul in 0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:41.000 the most discarded plastic in a single day. All right, 0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:44.520 And there was a video in the article that documented 0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:46.640 this whole deal, and Corona went all in, like they 0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:48.960 hyped it up prior, like they were, you know, had 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:52.320 trucks with the loudspeakers driving around the poor neighborhoods, you 0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:55.120 know where these fishermen live, and like hyping this thing up. 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:56.719 And then at the actual event, they set up a 0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:59.799 stage and had a way in just like you'd see 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:02.319 to at an off shore tournament. And this was all 0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:05.719 pretty cool. Now. The winners of the event, right, get 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:10.520 this hauled in a whopping eight hundred and fifteen pounds 0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:14.480 of discarded plastic. Here's the cool part, right, here's the 0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:18.640 cool part. To incentivize this whole thing, Corona offered to 0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:22.239 pay the same price per kilo of plastic as the 0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:25.960 fishermen we're getting for a kilo of fish, So that 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:29.680 eight hundred and fifteen pounds of plastic ended up being 0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:34.080 worth fourteen thousand, eight hundred pesos, which is about what 0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:36.160 these guys would make if they were lucky in a 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:42.359 single month of fishing. Right, So you might say, though, 0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:45.000 what about the other seventy nine contestants that worked their 0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:50.640 asses off Corona Roped in Mexico Recicla, the country's largest 0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:54.560 recycling operation, and all the other contestants sold their haul 0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:57.840 to them for slightly more in some cases than the 0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:03.160 going rate per kilo for fish. So in this case, right, 0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:06.080 the goal was to show these fishermen that you can 0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:10.080 actually make money fishing for the plastic that is making 0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:13.480 it harder for you to catch the fish. Now, right, 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.160 Will there be a long lasting effect here? Will these 0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:19.080 guys continue to collect plastic or use that as a 0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:22.200 means to supplement their fishing income. Who knows, right, that's 0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:25.400 yet to be seen. But I think the whole model 0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:29.600 here has play everywhere. Like if you turn something into 0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:32.680 a competition and it gets people to react, right, and 0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:35.960 if you can offer real prizes or money, I think 0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:38.719 it's possible to change attitudes about some of this kind 0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:42.160 of work. Like, yes, we all participate in river clean 0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:44.120 ups here and there, and and you do those things 0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:47.000 because you care you want to volunteer your time. But 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.200 this model could almost make this stuff like a lot 0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:53.560 more fun. I think like people get riled up over 0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:55.799 a good way in at a tournament, right you tack 0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:58.280 on a free meal and beer at the end. Fully 0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.560 adopt the fishing tournament model like Corona did down in Mexico, 0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:05.120 and I could see this really working. I thought this 0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:09.120 was extremely cool and I hope it leads to more tournaments. 0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:12.799 If you will likeness, I do too. I think a 0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:16.360 couple points one. Turning something like this into a tournament 0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:18.360 is like you said, it's a fun way to raise awareness. 0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:20.400 It's a great one off it it gets some attention 0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:23.560 on the topic. But the broader question I have is 0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:27.799 can they turn this into a commodity? And by that, 0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:29.920 I mean you're saying they were able to sell some 0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:32.880 of this plastic at a premium rate to this recycling 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:35.759 So I'm guessing. I'm guessing they could only do that 0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:39.319 because the recycling company came down or came over, came 0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:41.279 from wherever they are, and was there at the event, 0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:43.760 so they didn't have to worry about the additional shipping costs. 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:48.480 But is there a way to scale this so that 0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:52.000 people could turn that refuse and the plastic that we 0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:54.080 want to get out on the oceans into a commodity 0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:57.400 that's worth their time and effort. That would be something 0:43:57.400 --> 0:43:59.440 I'd like to see it. Yeah, and certainly this doesn't 0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:01.560 touch on that. I mean, it's just covering one event, 0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:03.839 But I mean I think that's sort of what this 0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:05.640 is hinting at. But you're right that I don't know, 0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:07.920 do these guys have the means when Corona is not 0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:10.440 calling in, you know, the army trucks from the recycling 0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:15.160 place to get that stuff to them to sell. But 0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:18.360 I mean it certainly opens up the door to another 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:21.719 way of thinking. Yeah, it makes me think there might 0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:24.959 be a way to do that. It might. It makes 0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:27.480 me think that there might be some possibility where if 0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:30.000 you get the infrastructure right and you get the discarded 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:32.560 plastic to the recycling plan and they saw it as valuable, 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.960 this could be a sustainable model if if someone was 0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:38.120 able to put that infrastructure in place. I would love 0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:40.759 to see that that grow. So you know, if you 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:42.319 guys are out there and you do that kind of 0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:46.000 infrastructure work, you should think about picking this up. Well, 0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:48.520 I am I'm so proud of Corona. That's such a 0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:50.080 nice thing they did. I'm gonna go buy another case 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:52.640 of their beer this summer and enjoy one. We're gonna 0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:56.320 hear from Phil uh see, who he deems the winner 0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:59.000 this week. He's got some choices to make, and then um, 0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:01.560 right after that, we're gonna you even smarter, and Miles 0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:04.400 is gonna do a little freaking philistines so that you 0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:10.319 guys read more. You need to read more, all right, 0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:13.800 You guys are really playing nicely into your roles this week, 0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:17.759 with Miles bringing in the important yet heavy stories about 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:21.240 endangered species and the dire state of Florida's Gulf Coast, 0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:23.960 and Joe bringing in a story about a guy literally 0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:30.400 writing a sandbox across the water. I can't decide. I 0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:32.239 can't decide. I know I say this is hard every week, 0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:34.960 but this week I mean it. And if I've learned 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:37.279 anything about my life so far, it's to just run 0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:39.839 away from your problems if you can't deal with them. 0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:43.200 So I've taken inspiration from Joe's story, and I've a 0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:48.000 fashioned a pontoon out of some empty barrels what most 0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:52.400 mostly empty barrels of crude oil, And I've attached this 0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:55.000 outboard motor here and uh, you know, I'm just gonna 0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:58.200 take this week off. See you guys next week. Don't worry. 0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:16.920 I promise I'll pick a winner. Okay, what's a fasting. 0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:19.400 It's a guy who doesn't care about books or interesting 0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:26.040 films and things, then unfasting. The book selection this week 0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:29.879 is called Keeper, a memoir written by Martin Donovan, who 0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:33.120 worked as a riverkeeper on the River Test. If you've 0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:35.640 ever heard of the River Test, you know it's one 0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:38.560 of the most renowned of all English chalk streams, which 0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:42.640 are perhaps the most famously stuffy and elitist fishing spots 0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:46.480 on the planet. Some regard the Test as the birthplace 0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:49.600 of modern fly fishing, which is to say that a 0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:52.560 handful of stiff aristocrats wrote books about fly fishing in 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:55.359 the late eighteen hundreds that featured this river. If you're 0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:57.480 up on your fishing history, you might have heard of 0:46:57.600 --> 0:47:01.160 Frederick M. Halford, whose books at the snooty tone that 0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:04.560 has plagued fly fishing culture for the past a hundred 0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:08.560 fifty years or so. Halford's books also sparked the British 0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:11.799 nobilities embrace of fly fishing in the late nineteenth and 0:47:11.880 --> 0:47:16.200 early twentieth centuries. Fishing access in England and much of 0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:19.400 Europe differs from the states. In Canada, where most water 0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:23.400 is held in the public trust. Over there, private ownership 0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:26.520 extends beyond the banks and beds to the water itself 0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:30.680 and even the fish swimming in that water. Americans find 0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:34.040 it difficult to comprehend the gulf that separates nobles from 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:37.480 commoners in Britain. I mean, don't get me wrong. Wealth 0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:40.319 disparities in this country create a huge divide between the 0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:43.600 rich and poor, but the scope of generational privilege that 0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:47.680 separates the noblie from the plebeians over there remains at 0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:50.640 a level we have not yet achieved. We can still 0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:53.680 fish much of our water, at least so long as 0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:56.719 we can afford a license. In some basic tackle. Shock 0:47:56.760 --> 0:48:00.200 streams are different. They flow past vast a stage that 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.360 sprawl along their banks, and these are usually owned by 0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:07.720 some noble family or another. The family hires land managers, 0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:10.600 who oversee the homes and the grounds and the river. 0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:14.279 The land management agency then hires a river keeper to 0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:17.480 maintain the fishery, look after the flora beside and within 0:48:17.520 --> 0:48:19.719 the stream, and act as host and guide to the 0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:23.120 various guests that the nobility invites or allows to pay 0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:27.120 for the privilege of fishing their beat. Riverkeepers are generally 0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:30.680 blue collar workers with expansive knowledge of stream ecology, fishing, 0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:34.040 and social dynamics, who also wear callouses on their hands 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:36.680 thick enough to work a shovel in a skythe Though 0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:40.719 the Uppercross family technically owns their stretch of river, the 0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:45.200 place belongs to the river keeper. Riverkeepers and their families, 0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:47.280 if they have them, live full time in the cottages 0:48:47.360 --> 0:48:51.320 beside their piece of water. They manicure the walking paths 0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:55.000 and the swaying clumps of vernunculous weed. They study their 0:48:55.000 --> 0:48:59.359 beat daily, with guests spotting fish and delicately guiding. They 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:01.799 may not own the beat, but they know it more 0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:06.160 intimately than anyone alive. Riverkeepers often spend their entire careers 0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:09.799 working one single stretch of water, and then passed that 0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:13.200 stretch on to their children or other family members. The 0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:17.400 dream of becoming a keeper transfixes many young anglers, but 0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:21.520 few actually get to realize how bloody difficult a job 0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:26.560 it is. Martin Donovan is one of the gifted and lucky. 0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:28.600 In the late nineties, when he was just twenty eight 0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:30.560 years old, he managed to land a job as a 0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:33.480 riverkeeper on the nursing beat of the River test right 0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:36.880 near his hometown. A decade later, he wrote a memoir 0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:39.960 that chipped away the veneer, obscuring the hallowed but mostly 0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:45.120 unrecorded profession. This is not a scandalous tell all about 0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:47.680 how horrid the aristocracy are through the eyes of an 0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:51.680 everyman hero. It's an honest and often self deprecating book 0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:54.799 that catalogs his love affair with a river he would 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:58.359 otherwise never have been allowed to fish. The mentors that 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:01.760 helped get him his opportunity and a title little swath 0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:07.239 of the myriad strange, awful and wonderful characters with whom 0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:10.680 he interacted. There are no villains, per se, and if 0:50:10.719 --> 0:50:14.239 there is a hero, it's the river itself. I'm gonna 0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:17.520 give you a couple of samples, first from a chapter 0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:20.840 where he's trying to find a river keeper job and failing. 0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:25.480 My first real chance at a keeper's job was, as 0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:28.000 you can imagine, having waited so long, I was very 0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:31.080 excited about the possibility. I had one or two very 0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:33.759 friendly interviews and a tour of the river with the headkeeper, 0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:37.080 Bernard Aldrich. He told me that there had been nearly 0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:40.680 eighty applicants who had been whittled down to a remaining three, 0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:44.279 who then had to face a final interview with the 0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:48.680 land agents. In basic terms, land agents act as the 0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:52.719 grossly overpaid link between the wealthy estate owners and the 0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:57.080 common man who works their land. On matters of personnel 0:50:57.200 --> 0:51:00.360 and estate management. They bridge the gap between those two 0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:04.160 disparate classes of people, thereby cutting out the necessity of 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:10.120 awkward direct communication between his lordship and the riverkeeper. I 0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:12.560 found myself in front of three rather dour looking men. 0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:16.560 None of them made eye contact, and my deliberately fixed 0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:20.640 and confidence smile was therefore wasted. As I settled uneasily 0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:24.000 into the chair, there was no smiling or welcoming, just 0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:26.799 a straight, cold stare which seemed to pass right through me. 0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:30.560 They introduced themselves, but at such speed that I didn't 0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:33.920 catch any of their names. I was nervous, but I 0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:36.640 felt prepared for the interview and was ready for anything 0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:39.840 they threw at me. The middle one cleared his throat 0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:44.040 and prepared to fire off his first question. What action 0:51:44.080 --> 0:51:46.480 would you take if one of your paying rods, let 0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:49.520 us say, a wealthy well to do. Lady had a 0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:53.680 little too much to drink and told you to off. Unfortunately, 0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:57.279 it was a question I hadn't given much thought to, 0:51:57.920 --> 0:52:00.360 and I remember thinking that perhaps reading up on the 0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:02.799 history of the Mount Baton family may have been a 0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:06.240 waste of time. As the sweat prickled onto my forehead, 0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:10.120 I wrongly thought that maybe this was the time to 0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:15.080 give an amusing answer. Well, if she had already given 0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:24.759 me my tip, then I probably would just golf. I 0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:26.880 can't be sure, but I think the one on the 0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:30.160 right briefly smiled. The other two glanced down at their 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:34.000 paperwork with lifeless sculls to remind themselves of my name, 0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:36.960 so they could quite deliberately put a long pencil line 0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:41.640 right through it when the interview ended. The second passage 0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:44.520 recounts Martin's first experience fishing the beat that would later 0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:47.240 become his home and his first interaction with the man 0:52:47.360 --> 0:52:50.000 who would become his primary mentor and whom he would 0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:55.040 eventually replace. During My Mischievous youth, nursing was considered out 0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:57.400 of bounds and the wrong side of the water meadows 0:52:57.440 --> 0:53:00.239 for us test would nippers, Although it was only half 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:04.600 mile or so away, We only ventured over once. We 0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:07.480 came over with our rods and bread and started fishing 0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:09.520 on a little stretch of water we knew to be private. 0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:12.880 Fishing on new waters was very exciting, and although we 0:53:12.920 --> 0:53:16.279 didn't catch anything, we had great fun exploring different parts 0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:19.640 of the river. After a couple hours of fruitless casting, 0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:22.000 we saw a stranger walking down the banks towards us, 0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:24.680 and we laid flat on the ground, probably thinking that 0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:29.919 if we couldn't see him, he wouldn't see us. Unfortunately, 0:53:29.960 --> 0:53:32.399 his eyesight was better than we had hoped, and while 0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:34.880 giving us a telling off, he reeled in both our 0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:38.480 lines and told us we were in big trouble. We 0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:41.200 stood there, apologizing and hoping to God he wouldn't tell 0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:43.960 our dads. The stranger told us that we'd have to 0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:46.319 walk up mill Lane and see the river keeper, who 0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:50.319 would decide our punishment. It seems quite incredible in this 0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:53.080 day and age that we actually did walk up to 0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:56.800 see the keeper, but we were too scared not to. Nowadays, 0:53:56.840 --> 0:53:58.640 if I catch it the nippers fishing on the river, 0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:01.239 they usually tell me to ugger off, or they'll call 0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:03.840 their dad's. When we got to the keeper's cottage, he 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:05.800 was outside saying goodbye to a couple of fishermen. So 0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:09.760 we stood in silence, heads bowed nervously, waiting to admit 0:54:09.800 --> 0:54:12.879 to him that we've been fishing on his river. As 0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:15.000 the fisherman drove away, he turned towards us, and I 0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:17.040 felt the hairs on the back of my neck stand 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:19.840 straight up in fright before either of us had a 0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:22.200 chance to speak, he asked us if we had caught anything, 0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:25.200 and then he told us to make sure we didn't 0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:29.279 fish on his stretch of river again, or more importantly, 0:54:29.760 --> 0:54:33.840 didn't get caught fishing on his stretch of river again. 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:37.000 With that, he said goodbye and disappeared to the house, 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:39.840 waving as he walked through the door. We stood there 0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:42.160 for a couple of minutes, looking at each other, not 0:54:42.360 --> 0:54:45.680 quite knowing what to do. Then the door of the 0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:48.200 fishing cottage opened again, and his head popped out and 0:54:48.239 --> 0:54:51.040 asked if there was anything else we wanted. My mate 0:54:51.040 --> 0:54:53.160 held up his flask and asked if we could have 0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:55.759 some water. The keeper came back to the gate, took 0:54:55.760 --> 0:54:58.680 our flask, and disappeared into the house again. A few 0:54:58.719 --> 0:55:00.719 minutes later, he returned with a lask and said that 0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:03.200 he hoped the water was okay because it tasted a 0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:05.759 little different down Mill Lane, and perhaps we should try 0:55:05.760 --> 0:55:09.120 it before we left. We thanked him and said it 0:55:09.160 --> 0:55:11.399 would be fine, and that we really should be getting home. 0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:14.240 At the bottom of Mill Lane, we stopped and opened 0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:19.120 the flask, which he had filled with beautiful cold orange juice. 0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:23.560 I can remember standing there many years ago, drinking orange 0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:26.560 juice and thinking, what a kind thing to do, and 0:55:26.600 --> 0:55:30.040 what a lovely man. That was my first encounter with 0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:39.359 my second river keeping guru, the legendary Vic Foot. I've 0:55:39.360 --> 0:55:42.640 said it before, man, I'm fascinated by British fishing culture, 0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:46.080 but usually not the tweetie chalk stream kind. I've just 0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:48.440 I don't know, I've never had I never wanted to 0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:50.440 do it that way, you know. I mean, it never 0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:52.520 seemed to like grab me to fly over there and 0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:55.520 try that. Um like, I want to know more about 0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:58.960 like baiting, roach, carp and chubb swims, not you know, 0:55:59.160 --> 0:56:02.759 lord and ladies trout. Yeah, I hear that. I hear that. 0:56:02.800 --> 0:56:06.520 But as I said, this book fascinates me because it 0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:10.520 splits the world's Yeah, it's it's this window into the 0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:14.120 blue collar work that keeps all those lord and ladyships 0:56:14.160 --> 0:56:17.040 in Fish, which I can kind of resonate with. It's 0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:18.960 not the same as as the guiding culture over here, 0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:22.320 which is part of why it was interesting. And I 0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:24.960 actually hadn't thought about that book for the better part 0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:27.640 of a decade, and we started working on this Philistines 0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:30.160 bit and and then I found it as I was 0:56:30.200 --> 0:56:32.279 looking through my bookshelf and picked it out. And I've 0:56:32.320 --> 0:56:34.800 forgotten how enjoyable it was. And I think it's because 0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:37.879 it bridges that sort of cultural gap in a way 0:56:37.920 --> 0:56:40.160 that that you can relate to. And you're also kind 0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:42.680 of laughing at those lords and ladies, but you kind 0:56:42.680 --> 0:56:44.960 of you turned out liking some of them. You you 0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:48.120 get it a little more. Well, it's strange that actually works, 0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:50.920 because I actually did I did something similar for this 0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:53.600 week's end of the line. I've actually been thinking about 0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:57.200 covering a particular spoon that is like seared into my 0:56:57.280 --> 0:57:00.480 childhood memory but seems to have completely this appeared from 0:57:00.480 --> 0:57:12.000 Fishing's historical records. Well, that's not loud enough this end 0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:14.760 of the line. I gotta tell you it's it's really 0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:17.560 it's like a cry for help, okay, because I don't 0:57:17.600 --> 0:57:21.360 have all the information. I'm seeking the information from you 0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:23.920 in a desperate attempt to prove that I'm not crazy, 0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:27.160 we aren't living in the matrix, and I'm not uncovered 0:57:27.400 --> 0:57:31.680 like a dark conspiracy. It all starts with the ACME 0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:34.479 Tackle Company, which all of you are familiar with, whether 0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:37.560 you know it or not, arn't. Lavelli founded ACME in 0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:40.040 nineteen fifty two, just three years after he and his 0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:44.640 brother formed a jewelry polishing an electroplating company. Lavely took 0:57:44.680 --> 0:57:46.880 some of the jewelry and bent the shapes to create 0:57:47.000 --> 0:57:50.720 metal fishing lures. Acme's big break, however, came when Lovely 0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:54.040 struck a royalty deal with a company called Engineering Design 0:57:54.120 --> 0:57:57.840 Associates e d A was making a lure and Lovely 0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:01.160 wanted to handle marketing it. He tweet the design slightly 0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:04.200 and then gave it a jewelry caliber polish which hadn't 0:58:04.240 --> 0:58:06.680 been seen on other metal lures of the day, and 0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:10.840 the Castmaster was born. ACMEE went on to develop some 0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:14.040 of the most popular metal lures ever, including the Phoebe, 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:16.640 the Sidewinder, and of course the Little Cleo, which is 0:58:16.680 --> 0:58:19.640 so damned popular it even has its own Wikipedia page. 0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:23.160 All of those lures are still in production today, made 0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:25.880 it Acme's facility in Rhode Island, and while I've used 0:58:25.880 --> 0:58:29.120 all of them my entire life, my fondest memories are 0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:31.120 of the Acme lure that seems to be an anomaly 0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:34.560 or maybe like a glitch in that matrix. When I 0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:36.960 was a little kid, my family rented a house every 0:58:37.000 --> 0:58:39.200 summer in Long Beach, Child in New Jersey, and I'd 0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:43.000 spent hours and hours sitting on the thirteenth Street Bulkhead 0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:46.040 fishing for little snapper blue fish and barning Get Bay. Now, 0:58:46.080 --> 0:58:49.160 my grandmother, who used to vacation with us, owned debate 0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:51.560 and tackle shop, and the lore she'd recommend that I 0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:55.160 cast every summer for those blues was her number one 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:59.160 best selling snapper laure in her shop, the Acme Hippie. 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:02.000 The hippie was only about two inches long, made of 0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:05.480 thin chrome and kind of being shaped, didn't have much taper, 0:59:05.480 --> 0:59:07.280 and it was just sort of rounded off at each 0:59:07.400 --> 0:59:10.040 end like a band aid. As a young impressionable kid 0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:12.360 that didn't know any better, I assumed every one of 0:59:12.400 --> 0:59:14.760 the Jersey shore casting for snapper blues was throwing a 0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:18.840 hippie bolstering this notion was that the best of my recollection. 0:59:19.240 --> 0:59:21.960 Every divy little tackle shop and dime store at the 0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:25.440 Jersey Shore had a card of hippies somewhere near the register, 0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:28.040 and every summer my Grandma would buy me a couple 0:59:28.040 --> 0:59:31.520 of new ones early in the vacation. As years passed 0:59:31.600 --> 0:59:33.959 and I became more proficient and angling, I drifted away 0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:37.040 from the tiny metal hippie, realizing that Hopkins or cast 0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:40.600 Masters or crocodile spoons were really all just as effective. 0:59:40.920 --> 0:59:43.280 Matter of fact, I hadn't given the old hippie another 0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:45.840 thought for thirty some odd years until I ended up 0:59:45.840 --> 0:59:48.320 on a podcast that required me to talk about old lords, 0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:51.800 and I went a searching. What I essentially found, though 0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:54.880 it was nothing, it almost appears that they act mee 0:59:54.960 --> 0:59:58.280 hippie never was. Now. I know that's not true, because 0:59:58.320 --> 1:00:00.480 I used the damn things for years, and my daddy 1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:03.680 used them before me. But after searching for it a 1:00:03.680 --> 1:00:06.560 bunch of different ways, I found only two pieces of 1:00:06.600 --> 1:00:10.880 Internet evidence that proved the hippie existed. The first was 1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:13.640 on an ancient fly by Night tackle website still listing 1:00:13.760 --> 1:00:18.400 Acme's era Snapper Blue kit. It was of course sold out, 1:00:18.720 --> 1:00:21.840 but there in the pixelated thumbnail of the product is 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:24.720 the hippie. The other hit took me to a Russian 1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:27.000 tackle site. But when I got there, the photo of 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:29.360 the hippie I clicked to get me there was nowhere 1:00:29.360 --> 1:00:32.760 to be found. Try as I might, I could uncover 1:00:32.880 --> 1:00:35.280 no history of the hippie. I didn't get a single 1:00:35.360 --> 1:00:40.480 hit from a single message board thread discussing it. Nothing. 1:00:41.080 --> 1:00:43.800 So how could something so widely available for so many 1:00:43.880 --> 1:00:46.720 years of my life just vanish into the ether? I 1:00:46.800 --> 1:00:49.880 have one theory, aside from the theory that the Russians 1:00:49.880 --> 1:00:53.000 are somehow involved. Could it be that the hippie had 1:00:53.080 --> 1:00:55.920 too offensive of a name, forcing ACNE to rub it 1:00:55.920 --> 1:00:59.400 out permanently as the world got more PC don't scoff 1:00:59.440 --> 1:01:02.480 at that, because when Andrew Grillos is potent dry fly 1:01:02.640 --> 1:01:05.720 the Hippie Stomper was picked up by Orvis, they thought 1:01:05.840 --> 1:01:08.800 changing the name to the Hollow Humpy was a smarter move. 1:01:09.720 --> 1:01:13.200 In reality, I guess the Acme Hippie simply wasn't popular 1:01:13.320 --> 1:01:16.160 enough in markets outside kids chasing snapper blues and jersey 1:01:16.200 --> 1:01:18.920 to run with bangers like the Phoebe and Cleo, and 1:01:18.920 --> 1:01:21.600 it was just sort of phased out. But considering there 1:01:21.600 --> 1:01:24.640 are forums and threads and fake news about everything on 1:01:24.640 --> 1:01:27.720 the planet on the Internet, the lack of hippie content 1:01:27.760 --> 1:01:31.200 and reference is startling. So please, if you grew up 1:01:31.200 --> 1:01:34.360 fishing the hippie let me know. Help me figure out 1:01:34.360 --> 1:01:37.600 whether this was reality or just some weird dream I had, 1:01:37.880 --> 1:01:46.560 Because I know the truth it's out there. That's all 1:01:46.600 --> 1:01:48.800 we have in this week strolled down nostalgia Lane. But 1:01:48.840 --> 1:01:52.000 for those of you who did irreversible harm to your 1:01:52.000 --> 1:01:55.000 short term memory in your younger years, here are a 1:01:55.040 --> 1:01:58.880 few things that were never good ideas. I do not 1:01:59.040 --> 1:02:03.120 recommend using word blowers for facial piercings. 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