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Speaker 1: provide the most benefit to all stakeholders. Making these modifications

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Speaker 1: will decrease the likelihood of toxic discharges to the St.

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Speaker 1: Lucy and Closa Hatchie Estuaries, ensure drinking water supply for

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Speaker 1: millions of Floridians, provide dry season hydration the Everlades, and

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Speaker 1: help to mitigate hyper salinity in Florida Bay. The Core

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Speaker 1: is planning to spend the next month on a quote

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Speaker 1: listening tour to get feedback on the proposed plan before

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Speaker 1: finalizing the decision in August. And so now, right now,

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Speaker 1: this moment is the time to get involved. So many people,

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Speaker 1: so many people have done huge amounts of work to

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Speaker 1: arrive where we are at this exact moment. The next

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Speaker 1: ten years of water management in Florida will be decided

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Speaker 1: by this plan, and it's gonna be a make or

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Speaker 1: break thing. Yeah, this is I cannot stress this enough.

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Speaker 1: This is a big deal, And all I'm asking you

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Speaker 1: to do is send an email and and grab a

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Speaker 1: pen because you're you're you're gonna need to write this

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Speaker 1: address down. You're not gonna remember this this email address.

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Speaker 1: I will also put it in my Instagram, even though

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Speaker 1: I'm terrible about that, and to get you a little

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Speaker 1: carrot to get you to to check it out, I

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Speaker 1: will put it in a post that includes a very

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Speaker 1: embarrassing photo of me with a solid mullet holding a

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Speaker 1: tarpet in Florida, so you can look forward to that anyway,

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Speaker 1: Oh on our repost that then I'm into Please write

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Speaker 1: an email too, ok at Chobe that's okay, E E

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Speaker 1: C H O B E E Watershed Restoration at U

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Speaker 1: S A C E dot Army dot M. I l oh,

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Speaker 1: they got to shorten that up. You got that wet

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Speaker 1: that they need a bit ley Lincoln there man something

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Speaker 1: that No, you didn't I know you didn't get that.

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Speaker 1: That's okay. You can check out my I G. You

456
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Speaker 1: can check out Joe's edgy. And if you're feeling overwhelmed

457
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,719
Speaker 1: by this, there's an easier, though somewhat less impactful thing

458
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Speaker 1: you can do. You can go to the Captain's for

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Speaker 1: Clean Water website and they have this this very straightforward

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Speaker 1: form letter that's like a call to action that they

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Speaker 1: will help you send if you want to go that route,

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Speaker 1: um that that would simplify it. It might not be

463
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Speaker 1: as impactful, but you could do that road as well.

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Speaker 1: I just gotta say, this is one of those rare

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Speaker 1: moments when we can actually have a positive influence on

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Speaker 1: our fisheries and and it really will not take more

467
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Speaker 1: than ten minutes of your time. Yeah, yeah, And it's

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Speaker 1: it's interesting, like for as much trouble as Florida as having,

469
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Speaker 1: there's so many conservation issues out there where like it

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Speaker 1: takes so long just to pinpoint the root of the problem.

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Speaker 1: And even though it's not really as simple as I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna make it sound, this is one where it's like

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Speaker 1: there's kind of sort of a switch we can flip

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Speaker 1: to stop all this, you know what I mean, Like

475
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Speaker 1: we know exactly what the issue is, and certainly there's

476
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Speaker 1: just an incredible politics and and so much involved in that,

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Speaker 1: but it's a very identifiable problem, so you know what's

478
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Speaker 1: going wrong. We we know the problem. Yeah, and were

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Speaker 1: actually there. This is a moment where there's movement to

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Speaker 1: change the way that that water is utilized and managed,

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Speaker 1: and it's crucially important that we get this right. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, man Um, Like you said, the

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Speaker 1: next ten years are going to be so critical in

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Speaker 1: this fight. Like if it doesn't flip within the next

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Speaker 1: ten years, maybe even sooner like it will, it's going

486
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Speaker 1: to get to a point of no repair. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: I'm I was really happy to see this news pop up,

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Speaker 1: and I very much hope that the outcome of this

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Speaker 1: is one that that benefits the fish and the fisheries

490
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Speaker 1: in Florida and the anglers all of us who want

491
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Speaker 1: to go fish there, because it's pretty amazing. Yeah, Florida.

492
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: So Miles has just enriched us and and and giving

493
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Speaker 1: us a call to action to do something great. I'm

494
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Speaker 1: going to do no such thing with this story other

495
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Speaker 1: than to say, hopefully within the next ten years the

496
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Speaker 1: glades are good, because maybe within those ten years my

497
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Speaker 1: son will be selling his first boat for a bigger

498
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Speaker 1: boat that maybe he could run down there in Florida

499
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Speaker 1: in the in the newly rejuvenated every Glades. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that was a dumb transition ten years. Yeah, you'll

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Speaker 1: understand in a minute. Okay, because I've been pretty bombarded

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Speaker 1: about my first little story and I appreciate everyone sending

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Speaker 1: it along. I actually saw it as a Facebook post

504
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Speaker 1: before it became real news, which I use real lightly.

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Speaker 1: But this is this is just so fantastic. Okay, Uh,

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Speaker 1: this is from wish tv dot com out of Indiana, headline,

507
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: tiny tug boat takes Lake Monroe by storm. And yes,

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Speaker 1: the tiny tug boat in question is a tuggy sandbox.

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Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, like the same one that you have

510
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Speaker 1: in your backyard, the one that you got off of

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Speaker 1: the Craigslist ad with the woman that didn't speak in English.

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Speaker 1: That one. Yeah, she just pointed it ship same one,

513
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Speaker 1: And I was gonna say it's like the tuggy seems

514
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Speaker 1: to have inadvertently become like the official boat of the

515
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: Bent podcast ever since we brought it up in that

516
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Speaker 1: Sale Been segment a while back. Because in that segment,

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Speaker 1: I noted that the tuggy is no longer made. It's

518
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Speaker 1: been out of production for a while, making it a

519
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 1: hot commodity already. And now I believe this podcast has

520
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: driven the price higher. Right, Like I posted a shot

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Speaker 1: on Instagram from a listener of an abandoned tuggy flipped

522
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Speaker 1: over in a trout stream, and people were like, oh,

523
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Speaker 1: we took that how to pack that thing out like

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Speaker 1: an elk? Right, So, needless to say, I've gotten just

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Speaker 1: all manner of tuggy photos since then, But now here

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Speaker 1: comes this story, and I swear it's like it's like

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Speaker 1: what Google does, like after you utter the word tuggy sandbox,

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Speaker 1: suddenly there are just tuggy sandboxes everywhere you look. That's

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Speaker 1: how I feel like it's been since that sale been

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Speaker 1: anyway from the story. A Facebook post by the Indiana

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Speaker 1: Department of Natural Resources drew plenty of attention over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: In the post, d n R officers on Lake Monroe

533
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Speaker 1: appeared to be ticketing a man in a tiny tug boat.

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Speaker 1: That's not exactly what happened, though, so everyone who sent

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Speaker 1: this to me, right, because in the picture you see

536
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: tattoo dude in a tugg e and like off the

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Speaker 1: side of the frame is an arm coming out with

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Speaker 1: a citation right to hold hold, hold hold on. Let

539
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Speaker 1: me ask a couple of questions. I need, I need

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Speaker 1: to see this in my head. Is he floating on

541
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Speaker 1: a body of water? In sandbox. He's floating in the

542
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: tuggy sandbox. There is an electric trolling motor on the sandbox,

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Speaker 1: and it looks like the d n R boat is

544
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Speaker 1: sidled up next to him. All you see is a

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Speaker 1: d n R officer's arm coming out of the side

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Speaker 1: of the frame handing in paperwork. Okay, continue, Okay, So

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Speaker 1: everyone who sent this claimed to me that he was

548
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Speaker 1: getting ticketed because his tug he wasn't registered, tuggy didn't

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Speaker 1: have numbers, okay, which made sense in my head because

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, if you're the kind of person that's

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Speaker 1: you know, going to uh turn a tuggy into an

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Speaker 1: actual usable vessel, you might not be too concerned about numbers. Okay,

553
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: but he does also have a trolley motor, like I said,

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00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: But that's that's that's inaccurate. The DNR replied to their

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00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: post and explain the encounter in more detail. They said,

556
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Speaker 1: to answer the question if he was receiving a ticket, No,

557
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: the boat is registered and I was handing him his

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00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: registration paperwork back. He was totally legal and a fun

559
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: guy to chat with. This is so much Yeah, I

560
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Speaker 1: was like, damn, dude, registered, is tuggy like that's exceptional.

561
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Speaker 1: So who is this tuggy pirate? Well, it's Kentucky native

562
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: Nick Riley, of course. And while I wish there was

563
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: more detail, because there isn't. Nick has apparently restored and

564
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: made many Tuggies seaworthy. What like this is a thing

565
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: he does often in his spare time. And in this

566
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Speaker 1: man on the show, Oh I'm getting there, okay, okay.

567
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: In the story he said, we have cup holders, we

568
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: have boat cleats so we can tie up to other boats.

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Speaker 1: We recently just put a Bluetooth speaker in one. I

570
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: didn't bring that one with me, but you can have

571
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: tunes while you're driving your boat. So listen, Like this

572
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: dude is like he's like pimping out Tuggies. It's not

573
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Speaker 1: a stunt. There were like several photos he provided of

574
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: his home where there's like you know how car guys

575
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: have like five cars in the driveway. Dudes got like

576
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: all different model Tuggies and all different all different stages

577
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: of restoration. Right, He's like the American restoration guy specifically

578
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: for Tuggies. And what I was getting at with the

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Speaker 1: boat earlier is like seeing that my son Jamie, he

580
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: he loves his tugg e and b is literally fishing,

581
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: like off the couch with rubber sharks and stuff like that.

582
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Speaker 1: Like I'm starting to wonder should I send our tuggy

583
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: to Nick for restoration? And Nick, if you're listening, let's talk.

584
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm really not kidding because he's only three, right, so

585
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: there aren't exactly a lot of personal watercraft options for

586
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: three year old. I've looked into this, okay, Like the

587
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: smallest kitty kayak you can buy is still too big

588
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: for him. Um. But the crazy thing is, like getting

589
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: a tuggy to float is not easy. It requires real

590
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: work because they don't have a bottom, right, and the

591
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: shell is just thin, hollow plastic that's open on the bottom.

592
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: And I've watched a few videos. I don't think these

593
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Speaker 1: dudes where his skill is nick Um. But if you're

594
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: serious about floating one, like guys, pump him full of foam,

595
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, like shoot him up with foam. You gotta

596
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: make them water tight, you gotta build a bottom. It's

597
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: legit work. But if ours floated, I'd totally drag it

598
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: behind one of my boats and let the kid bob

599
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: aroun on a laker in the bay, you know, tie

600
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: him off to a little rope, give him a little fish,

601
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: Like how badass would it be for him to tell

602
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: people later like I got my first boat at three?

603
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,719
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Would you first boat? Oh?

604
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: It was eighteen, no three, I had my first book.

605
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Speaker 1: And it's a perfect for him. So I'm extremely tempted.

606
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: I want to just do Like I want to do

607
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: a covering water segment with this guy and find out,

608
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: like how did he get into tug your restoration where

609
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: I'm betting we can get him. What's the most that

610
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 1: anyone's ever paid him for a tuggy? Like there are

611
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: so many things I would love to know. Man, maybe

612
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: he's interested in doing. Like if I cover the shipping,

613
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: do a custom bent tuggy. Oh man, your kid running

614
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: around the custom bent tuggy? Yeah, then all I then

615
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: all I have is build a custom trailer for the

616
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: cozy coop and the kids off. I already I'm not

617
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: even kidding, Like I put rod holders and everything he has,

618
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: everything he has, he wants a piece of PVC on

619
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: for his little ice fishing rod. Yeah. I hope this

620
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: goes somewhere. I really hope that we get some followed

621
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Speaker 1: through on this and it goes somewhere. You know, you

622
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Speaker 1: were talking about d n R officers who who ultimately

623
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 1: we're doing the right thing and coming through. Uh. In

624
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: this case, some DNR officers did some really good work,

625
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: and you know, it wasn't a perfect outcome, but I

626
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: think I think we can give them some credits. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna close out my contributions this week with a

628
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: short one and and this is sadly another story about

629
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Speaker 1: fish poachers in the great state of Oregon, which we're

630
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 1: gonna have to come back to. Thirty one year old

631
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: Tyler Warren was recently sentenced to three years of federal

632
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Speaker 1: probation and forty hours of community service for illegally taking

633
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: bull trout from the Metolius River. He also got a

634
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: thousand dollar fine and a three year suspension of his

635
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: fishing license. Warren was not alone. His buddy, thirty year

636
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: old Thomas R. Campbell, was right there with him back

637
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: in December when the two harvested an unknown number of

638
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: bull trout out of the Metolius. These two are clearly

639
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: not MENSA candidates, because the following day, Campbell posted photos

640
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: of himself with what looked like dead bull trout to Instagram,

641
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: which tipped some people off. Can I interrupt you for

642
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: one second and just tell you that if the tug

643
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: E hadn't become news, we were crossing over. I had

644
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: this and the tugg E news dropped and I was like,

645
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: tugg E beats poachers. But this is a good story

646
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: and the the outcome is right up your alley. Tell

647
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: you for the win again. Yeah, there you go. I'm

648
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: glad you're doing it. They post these foes to Instagram

649
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: and then tip some folks off. So investigators then go

650
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: in and they seized Campbell's phone where they found just

651
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: damning evidence, Like there are pictures of these guys cooking

652
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: bull trout filets. There's a picture where they're posing with

653
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: a dead bull trout that they stuff and they stuffed

654
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 1: like a beer can in its mouth. Uh. There's another

655
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: photo where they're carrying two bags full of bull trout filets.

656
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: It was pretty yeah. Yeah, And last year Ambule was

657
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: sentenced to five years federal probation, a six thousand dollar fine,

658
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: and three hundred hours of community service to be served

659
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: on habitat restoration and conservation projects, which I support. Now,

660
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: bullshroutter listed is threatened under the Endangered Species Act, but

661
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: the Matolis River has a relatively healthy population and it's

662
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: one of the few places in the U s where

663
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: anglers are allowed to target them. Keeping bull trout, however,

664
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: is a federal crime. Not to mention, it's just kind

665
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: of a shitty thing to do. If you ask me,

666
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: go wax some rainbows, bonk a few browns. I don't care.

667
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: Bull trout are not in grade shape these days. And

668
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: the thing is, incidents like these they jeopardize what little

669
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: bull trout fishing opportunities are left in this country. For examp,

670
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: my state, Montana, we only have one watershed left where

671
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: you're allowed to fish for bullies. And so I'm not

672
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: so much pissed about the individual fish like that sucks.

673
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: Killing those fish sucks, But I'm I'm more pissed about

674
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: what this does to the public image of anglers and

675
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: the potential that incidents like this have to convince management

676
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: agencies that the public just doesn't responsible enough to to

677
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: have nice things like being allowed to fish for bull trout,

678
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: and they can easily go in and shut that down

679
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: if it looks like people are gonna keep doing idiocy

680
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: like this. And my final question is like, what's up

681
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: with fish poaching in Oregon? Just a few weeks ago,

682
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: we we ran that story about the group of folks

683
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: who were stealing steelhead out of O. D. F W's

684
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: fish traps. Is this is this random coincidence or or

685
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: is fish poaching a rampant problem in Oregon? That I

686
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: don't know. That's what made me think of you, because

687
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: I remember at the end of that story we were saying, like,

688
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: what's enough punishment for these guys? Like a million years

689
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: of community service that's all based on habitat restoration. So

690
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: when I read this, I was like, oh, like they

691
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: hit that kid. Now three hundred hours of community service

692
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: that has to be done on habitat restoration, which I appreciate. Yeah,

693
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: it was because at the end of that story, though,

694
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: I called out and I said, what do you guys

695
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: think would be an appropriate punishment to fit this crime?

696
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: And we got some We didn't get a ton of responses,

697
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: but we got a few suggestions, and interestingly, they all

698
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: the common denominator was that the violator in question should

699
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: suffer some kind of public humiliation. That was what all

700
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: of you seem to want the most of, like like

701
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: make these people publicly humiliated and have to own their

702
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: crime that way. So, for whatever it's worth, from here

703
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: on out, I'm gonna make a point of calling these

704
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: folks out by name whenever I report on fish poaching incidents.

705
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that our little podcast here is going

706
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: to act as a significant detern for bad behavior, but maybe,

707
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: like maybe one or two people will think twice before

708
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: doing something stupid to avoid getting called out by us,

709
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: And to me, that's enough that that that's success. Well,

710
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: one thing this story didn't really clarify that I'm curious about.

711
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: If you look at the charges and the sentencing, Warren

712
00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: got significantly fewer hours, significantly lighter probation, but yet the

713
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: damning evidence was pictures of him, like it seemed like

714
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: from the story, doing the worst stuff. So I figure

715
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: that dude had the better lawyer and like snitched on

716
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: the other guys because all the damning photos were of him.

717
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: Yet the Campbell dude that So I don't know what

718
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: was going on there, and I also don't understand I

719
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: would imagine there, I don't know, maybe some COVID related stuff,

720
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: But like you said, they just got sentenced. He just

721
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: got sentenced very recently, but that's a big gap between

722
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: December and now. Like I'm not sure why that took

723
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: so long. But they also pleaded guilty so that they

724
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: didn't fight this. I mean, how are you gonna not

725
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: guilty when their photos of you holding giant bags of

726
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: filets of dead bulltog You can't be like no, no,

727
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: that didn't happen, Like, how you can are you gonna

728
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: plead not guilty? There? Yeah, so good sentencing, and I agree, Like,

729
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: let's just even if it's a short story, let's just

730
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: keep calling poachers out by name, get their names out there. Yep, yep, totally.

731
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: We'll see again. I don't know what's going to do anything,

732
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: but that's what we're gonna We're gonna do that here.

733
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: That's our little part. Okay, Well, I'm gonna close out

734
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: with a feel good story here, I think, uh, I

735
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: think we should do that. Uh. And I don't really

736
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: have a good I don't really have a good tie,

737
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna try and make one. I'm just

738
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: gonna move along and say this is a feel good story. Um,

739
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: but I think it may have hit on a premise

740
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: that could be adopted all over the world. So This

741
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: comes from the Drum dot com and the story is

742
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: about a fishing tournament of sorts in Mexico and this

743
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: happened on the West coast in Mositlan, where like in

744
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: all Mexican coastal towns, you have a lot of commercial fishermen.

745
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: And bear in mind, of course, that when we're talking

746
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: about commercial fishermen in Mexico, like I'm I'm not really

747
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: referring to like a crew on a big trawler, right,

748
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: We're talking about the thousands of independent guys that go

749
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: out every day in tiny pongas and row boats and

750
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: whatever they can cobble together to try and catch a

751
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: few fish to sell and feed their families. And and uh,

752
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: we're talking about a group of folks that I mean,

753
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: these guys have a pretty hard life, right, These guys

754
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: struggle to make a couple bucks a day at best,

755
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: and that's due to many factors, you know, making any

756
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: sort of living this way in the into orders of

757
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: Mexico is just getting tougher and tougher and tougher all

758
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: the time. And of course one of those big factors

759
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: is pollution. So beer Giant Corona, one of my favorite

760
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: summer beers. They came up with a concept they called

761
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: plastic fishing. And what they did was they got eighty

762
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: of these local, independent commercial fishermen to compete against each

763
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 1: other in a tournament to see who could haul in

764
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: the most discarded plastic in a single day. All right,

765
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: And there was a video in the article that documented

766
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: this whole deal, and Corona went all in, like they

767
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: hyped it up prior, like they were, you know, had

768
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: trucks with the loudspeakers driving around the poor neighborhoods, you

769
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: know where these fishermen live, and like hyping this thing up.

770
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: And then at the actual event, they set up a

771
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: stage and had a way in just like you'd see

772
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: to at an off shore tournament. And this was all

773
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Now. The winners of the event, right, get

774
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: this hauled in a whopping eight hundred and fifteen pounds

775
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: of discarded plastic. Here's the cool part, right, here's the

776
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: cool part. To incentivize this whole thing, Corona offered to

777
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: pay the same price per kilo of plastic as the

778
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: fishermen we're getting for a kilo of fish, So that

779
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifteen pounds of plastic ended up being

780
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: worth fourteen thousand, eight hundred pesos, which is about what

781
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: these guys would make if they were lucky in a

782
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: single month of fishing. Right, So you might say, though,

783
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: what about the other seventy nine contestants that worked their

784
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: asses off Corona Roped in Mexico Recicla, the country's largest

785
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: recycling operation, and all the other contestants sold their haul

786
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: to them for slightly more in some cases than the

787
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: going rate per kilo for fish. So in this case, right,

788
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: the goal was to show these fishermen that you can

789
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: actually make money fishing for the plastic that is making

790
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: it harder for you to catch the fish. Now, right,

791
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: Will there be a long lasting effect here? Will these

792
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: guys continue to collect plastic or use that as a

793
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: means to supplement their fishing income. Who knows, right, that's

794
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: yet to be seen. But I think the whole model

795
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: here has play everywhere. Like if you turn something into

796
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: a competition and it gets people to react, right, and

797
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: if you can offer real prizes or money, I think

798
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: it's possible to change attitudes about some of this kind

799
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: of work. Like, yes, we all participate in river clean

800
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: ups here and there, and and you do those things

801
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: because you care you want to volunteer your time. But

802
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: this model could almost make this stuff like a lot

803
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: more fun. I think like people get riled up over

804
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: a good way in at a tournament, right you tack

805
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: on a free meal and beer at the end. Fully

806
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: adopt the fishing tournament model like Corona did down in Mexico,

807
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: and I could see this really working. I thought this

808
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: was extremely cool and I hope it leads to more tournaments.

809
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: If you will likeness, I do too. I think a

810
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: couple points one. Turning something like this into a tournament

811
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: is like you said, it's a fun way to raise awareness.

812
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: It's a great one off it it gets some attention

813
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: on the topic. But the broader question I have is

814
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: can they turn this into a commodity? And by that,

815
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: I mean you're saying they were able to sell some

816
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: of this plastic at a premium rate to this recycling

817
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: So I'm guessing. I'm guessing they could only do that

818
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: because the recycling company came down or came over, came

819
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: from wherever they are, and was there at the event,

820
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: so they didn't have to worry about the additional shipping costs.

821
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: But is there a way to scale this so that

822
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: people could turn that refuse and the plastic that we

823
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: want to get out on the oceans into a commodity

824
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: that's worth their time and effort. That would be something

825
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: I'd like to see it. Yeah, and certainly this doesn't

826
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: touch on that. I mean, it's just covering one event,

827
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: But I mean I think that's sort of what this

828
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: is hinting at. But you're right that I don't know,

829
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: do these guys have the means when Corona is not

830
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: calling in, you know, the army trucks from the recycling

831
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: place to get that stuff to them to sell. But

832
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: I mean it certainly opens up the door to another

833
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: way of thinking. Yeah, it makes me think there might

834
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,959
Speaker 1: be a way to do that. It might. It makes

835
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: me think that there might be some possibility where if

836
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: you get the infrastructure right and you get the discarded

837
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: plastic to the recycling plan and they saw it as valuable,

838
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: this could be a sustainable model if if someone was

839
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: able to put that infrastructure in place. I would love

840
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: to see that that grow. So you know, if you

841
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: guys are out there and you do that kind of

842
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: infrastructure work, you should think about picking this up. Well,

843
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: I am I'm so proud of Corona. That's such a

844
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: nice thing they did. I'm gonna go buy another case

845
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: of their beer this summer and enjoy one. We're gonna

846
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: hear from Phil uh see, who he deems the winner

847
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: this week. He's got some choices to make, and then um,

848
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: right after that, we're gonna you even smarter, and Miles

849
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: is gonna do a little freaking philistines so that you

850
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: guys read more. You need to read more, all right,

851
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: You guys are really playing nicely into your roles this week,

852
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: with Miles bringing in the important yet heavy stories about

853
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: endangered species and the dire state of Florida's Gulf Coast,

854
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: and Joe bringing in a story about a guy literally

855
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: writing a sandbox across the water. I can't decide. I

856
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: can't decide. I know I say this is hard every week,

857
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: but this week I mean it. And if I've learned

858
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: anything about my life so far, it's to just run

859
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: away from your problems if you can't deal with them.

860
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: So I've taken inspiration from Joe's story, and I've a

861
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: fashioned a pontoon out of some empty barrels what most

862
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: mostly empty barrels of crude oil, And I've attached this

863
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: outboard motor here and uh, you know, I'm just gonna

864
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: take this week off. See you guys next week. Don't worry.

865
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: I promise I'll pick a winner. Okay, what's a fasting.

866
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: It's a guy who doesn't care about books or interesting

867
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: films and things, then unfasting. The book selection this week

868
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: is called Keeper, a memoir written by Martin Donovan, who

869
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: worked as a riverkeeper on the River Test. If you've

870
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: ever heard of the River Test, you know it's one

871
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: of the most renowned of all English chalk streams, which

872
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: are perhaps the most famously stuffy and elitist fishing spots

873
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: on the planet. Some regard the Test as the birthplace

874
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: of modern fly fishing, which is to say that a

875
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: handful of stiff aristocrats wrote books about fly fishing in

876
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: the late eighteen hundreds that featured this river. If you're

877
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: up on your fishing history, you might have heard of

878
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: Frederick M. Halford, whose books at the snooty tone that

879
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: has plagued fly fishing culture for the past a hundred

880
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: fifty years or so. Halford's books also sparked the British

881
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: nobilities embrace of fly fishing in the late nineteenth and

882
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: early twentieth centuries. Fishing access in England and much of

883
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: Europe differs from the states. In Canada, where most water

884
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: is held in the public trust. Over there, private ownership

885
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: extends beyond the banks and beds to the water itself

886
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: and even the fish swimming in that water. Americans find

887
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: it difficult to comprehend the gulf that separates nobles from

888
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: commoners in Britain. I mean, don't get me wrong. Wealth

889
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: disparities in this country create a huge divide between the

890
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: rich and poor, but the scope of generational privilege that

891
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: separates the noblie from the plebeians over there remains at

892
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: a level we have not yet achieved. We can still

893
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: fish much of our water, at least so long as

894
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: we can afford a license. In some basic tackle. Shock

895
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: streams are different. They flow past vast a stage that

896
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: sprawl along their banks, and these are usually owned by

897
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 1: some noble family or another. The family hires land managers,

898
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: who oversee the homes and the grounds and the river.

899
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: The land management agency then hires a river keeper to

900
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: maintain the fishery, look after the flora beside and within

901
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: the stream, and act as host and guide to the

902
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: various guests that the nobility invites or allows to pay

903
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: for the privilege of fishing their beat. Riverkeepers are generally

904
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: blue collar workers with expansive knowledge of stream ecology, fishing,

905
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: and social dynamics, who also wear callouses on their hands

906
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: thick enough to work a shovel in a skythe Though

907
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: the Uppercross family technically owns their stretch of river, the

908
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: place belongs to the river keeper. Riverkeepers and their families,

909
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 1: if they have them, live full time in the cottages

910
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: beside their piece of water. They manicure the walking paths

911
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: and the swaying clumps of vernunculous weed. They study their

912
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: beat daily, with guests spotting fish and delicately guiding. They

913
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: may not own the beat, but they know it more

914
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: intimately than anyone alive. Riverkeepers often spend their entire careers

915
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: working one single stretch of water, and then passed that

916
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: stretch on to their children or other family members. The

917
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: dream of becoming a keeper transfixes many young anglers, but

918
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: few actually get to realize how bloody difficult a job

919
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: it is. Martin Donovan is one of the gifted and lucky.

920
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: In the late nineties, when he was just twenty eight

921
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: years old, he managed to land a job as a

922
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: riverkeeper on the nursing beat of the River test right

923
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: near his hometown. A decade later, he wrote a memoir

924
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: that chipped away the veneer, obscuring the hallowed but mostly

925
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: unrecorded profession. This is not a scandalous tell all about

926
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: how horrid the aristocracy are through the eyes of an

927
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: everyman hero. It's an honest and often self deprecating book

928
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: that catalogs his love affair with a river he would

929
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: otherwise never have been allowed to fish. The mentors that

930
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: helped get him his opportunity and a title little swath

931
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: of the myriad strange, awful and wonderful characters with whom

932
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: he interacted. There are no villains, per se, and if

933
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: there is a hero, it's the river itself. I'm gonna

934
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: give you a couple of samples, first from a chapter

935
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: where he's trying to find a river keeper job and failing.

936
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: My first real chance at a keeper's job was, as

937
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: you can imagine, having waited so long, I was very

938
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: excited about the possibility. I had one or two very

939
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: friendly interviews and a tour of the river with the headkeeper,

940
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: Bernard Aldrich. He told me that there had been nearly

941
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: eighty applicants who had been whittled down to a remaining three,

942
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: who then had to face a final interview with the

943
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: land agents. In basic terms, land agents act as the

944
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: grossly overpaid link between the wealthy estate owners and the

945
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: common man who works their land. On matters of personnel

946
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: and estate management. They bridge the gap between those two

947
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: disparate classes of people, thereby cutting out the necessity of

948
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: awkward direct communication between his lordship and the riverkeeper. I

949
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: found myself in front of three rather dour looking men.

950
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: None of them made eye contact, and my deliberately fixed

951
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: and confidence smile was therefore wasted. As I settled uneasily

952
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: into the chair, there was no smiling or welcoming, just

953
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: a straight, cold stare which seemed to pass right through me.

954
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: They introduced themselves, but at such speed that I didn't

955
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: catch any of their names. I was nervous, but I

956
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: felt prepared for the interview and was ready for anything

957
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: they threw at me. The middle one cleared his throat

958
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: and prepared to fire off his first question. What action

959
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: would you take if one of your paying rods, let

960
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: us say, a wealthy well to do. Lady had a

961
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: little too much to drink and told you to off. Unfortunately,

962
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: it was a question I hadn't given much thought to,

963
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking that perhaps reading up on the

964
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: history of the Mount Baton family may have been a

965
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: waste of time. As the sweat prickled onto my forehead,

966
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: I wrongly thought that maybe this was the time to

967
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: give an amusing answer. Well, if she had already given

968
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: me my tip, then I probably would just golf. I

969
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: can't be sure, but I think the one on the

970
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: right briefly smiled. The other two glanced down at their

971
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: paperwork with lifeless sculls to remind themselves of my name,

972
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: so they could quite deliberately put a long pencil line

973
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: right through it when the interview ended. The second passage

974
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: recounts Martin's first experience fishing the beat that would later

975
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: become his home and his first interaction with the man

976
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: who would become his primary mentor and whom he would

977
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: eventually replace. During My Mischievous youth, nursing was considered out

978
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: of bounds and the wrong side of the water meadows

979
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: for us test would nippers, Although it was only half

980
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: mile or so away, We only ventured over once. We

981
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: came over with our rods and bread and started fishing

982
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: on a little stretch of water we knew to be private.

983
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: Fishing on new waters was very exciting, and although we

984
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: didn't catch anything, we had great fun exploring different parts

985
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: of the river. After a couple hours of fruitless casting,

986
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: we saw a stranger walking down the banks towards us,

987
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: and we laid flat on the ground, probably thinking that

988
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 1: if we couldn't see him, he wouldn't see us. Unfortunately,

989
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: his eyesight was better than we had hoped, and while

990
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: giving us a telling off, he reeled in both our

991
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: lines and told us we were in big trouble. We

992
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: stood there, apologizing and hoping to God he wouldn't tell

993
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: our dads. The stranger told us that we'd have to

994
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: walk up mill Lane and see the river keeper, who

995
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: would decide our punishment. It seems quite incredible in this

996
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: day and age that we actually did walk up to

997
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: see the keeper, but we were too scared not to. Nowadays,

998
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: if I catch it the nippers fishing on the river,

999
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: they usually tell me to ugger off, or they'll call

1000
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: their dad's. When we got to the keeper's cottage, he

1001
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: was outside saying goodbye to a couple of fishermen. So

1002
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,760
Speaker 1: we stood in silence, heads bowed nervously, waiting to admit

1003
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: to him that we've been fishing on his river. As

1004
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: the fisherman drove away, he turned towards us, and I

1005
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: felt the hairs on the back of my neck stand

1006
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: straight up in fright before either of us had a

1007
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: chance to speak, he asked us if we had caught anything,

1008
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: and then he told us to make sure we didn't

1009
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: fish on his stretch of river again, or more importantly,

1010
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: didn't get caught fishing on his stretch of river again.

1011
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: With that, he said goodbye and disappeared to the house,

1012
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: waving as he walked through the door. We stood there

1013
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: for a couple of minutes, looking at each other, not

1014
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: quite knowing what to do. Then the door of the

1015
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: fishing cottage opened again, and his head popped out and

1016
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: asked if there was anything else we wanted. My mate

1017
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: held up his flask and asked if we could have

1018
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: some water. The keeper came back to the gate, took

1019
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: our flask, and disappeared into the house again. A few

1020
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: minutes later, he returned with a lask and said that

1021
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: he hoped the water was okay because it tasted a

1022
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: little different down Mill Lane, and perhaps we should try

1023
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: it before we left. We thanked him and said it

1024
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 1: would be fine, and that we really should be getting home.

1025
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: At the bottom of Mill Lane, we stopped and opened

1026
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: the flask, which he had filled with beautiful cold orange juice.

1027
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: I can remember standing there many years ago, drinking orange

1028
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: juice and thinking, what a kind thing to do, and

1029
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: what a lovely man. That was my first encounter with

1030
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: my second river keeping guru, the legendary Vic Foot. I've

1031
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: said it before, man, I'm fascinated by British fishing culture,

1032
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: but usually not the tweetie chalk stream kind. I've just

1033
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've never had I never wanted to

1034
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: do it that way, you know. I mean, it never

1035
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: seemed to like grab me to fly over there and

1036
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: try that. Um like, I want to know more about

1037
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: like baiting, roach, carp and chubb swims, not you know,

1038
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: lord and ladies trout. Yeah, I hear that. I hear that.

1039
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: But as I said, this book fascinates me because it

1040
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: splits the world's Yeah, it's it's this window into the

1041
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: blue collar work that keeps all those lord and ladyships

1042
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: in Fish, which I can kind of resonate with. It's

1043
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: not the same as as the guiding culture over here,

1044
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: which is part of why it was interesting. And I

1045
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: actually hadn't thought about that book for the better part

1046
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: of a decade, and we started working on this Philistines

1047
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: bit and and then I found it as I was

1048
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: looking through my bookshelf and picked it out. And I've

1049
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: forgotten how enjoyable it was. And I think it's because

1050
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: it bridges that sort of cultural gap in a way

1051
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: that that you can relate to. And you're also kind

1052
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: of laughing at those lords and ladies, but you kind

1053
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: of you turned out liking some of them. You you

1054
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: get it a little more. Well, it's strange that actually works,

1055
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: because I actually did I did something similar for this

1056
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: week's end of the line. I've actually been thinking about

1057
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: covering a particular spoon that is like seared into my

1058
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: childhood memory but seems to have completely this appeared from

1059
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: Fishing's historical records. Well, that's not loud enough this end

1060
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 1: of the line. I gotta tell you it's it's really

1061
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: it's like a cry for help, okay, because I don't

1062
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: have all the information. I'm seeking the information from you

1063
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: in a desperate attempt to prove that I'm not crazy,

1064
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: we aren't living in the matrix, and I'm not uncovered

1065
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: like a dark conspiracy. It all starts with the ACME

1066
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,479
Speaker 1: Tackle Company, which all of you are familiar with, whether

1067
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: you know it or not, arn't. Lavelli founded ACME in

1068
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two, just three years after he and his

1069
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: brother formed a jewelry polishing an electroplating company. Lavely took

1070
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: some of the jewelry and bent the shapes to create

1071
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: metal fishing lures. Acme's big break, however, came when Lovely

1072
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: struck a royalty deal with a company called Engineering Design

1073
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: Associates e d A was making a lure and Lovely

1074
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: wanted to handle marketing it. He tweet the design slightly

1075
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: and then gave it a jewelry caliber polish which hadn't

1076
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: been seen on other metal lures of the day, and

1077
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: the Castmaster was born. ACMEE went on to develop some

1078
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: of the most popular metal lures ever, including the Phoebe,

1079
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: the Sidewinder, and of course the Little Cleo, which is

1080
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: so damned popular it even has its own Wikipedia page.

1081
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: All of those lures are still in production today, made

1082
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: it Acme's facility in Rhode Island, and while I've used

1083
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: all of them my entire life, my fondest memories are

1084
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: of the Acme lure that seems to be an anomaly

1085
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: or maybe like a glitch in that matrix. When I

1086
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: was a little kid, my family rented a house every

1087
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: summer in Long Beach, Child in New Jersey, and I'd

1088
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: spent hours and hours sitting on the thirteenth Street Bulkhead

1089
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: fishing for little snapper blue fish and barning Get Bay. Now,

1090
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: my grandmother, who used to vacation with us, owned debate

1091
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: and tackle shop, and the lore she'd recommend that I

1092
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: cast every summer for those blues was her number one

1093
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: best selling snapper laure in her shop, the Acme Hippie.

1094
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: The hippie was only about two inches long, made of

1095
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: thin chrome and kind of being shaped, didn't have much taper,

1096
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: and it was just sort of rounded off at each

1097
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: end like a band aid. As a young impressionable kid

1098
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: that didn't know any better, I assumed every one of

1099
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: the Jersey shore casting for snapper blues was throwing a

1100
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: hippie bolstering this notion was that the best of my recollection.

1101
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: Every divy little tackle shop and dime store at the

1102
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: Jersey Shore had a card of hippies somewhere near the register,

1103
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: and every summer my Grandma would buy me a couple

1104
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: of new ones early in the vacation. As years passed

1105
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,959
Speaker 1: and I became more proficient and angling, I drifted away

1106
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: from the tiny metal hippie, realizing that Hopkins or cast

1107
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: Masters or crocodile spoons were really all just as effective.

1108
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I hadn't given the old hippie another

1109
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: thought for thirty some odd years until I ended up

1110
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: on a podcast that required me to talk about old lords,

1111
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: and I went a searching. What I essentially found, though

1112
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: it was nothing, it almost appears that they act mee

1113
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: hippie never was. Now. I know that's not true, because

1114
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: I used the damn things for years, and my daddy

1115
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: used them before me. But after searching for it a

1116
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: bunch of different ways, I found only two pieces of

1117
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: Internet evidence that proved the hippie existed. The first was

1118
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: on an ancient fly by Night tackle website still listing

1119
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: Acme's era Snapper Blue kit. It was of course sold out,

1120
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: but there in the pixelated thumbnail of the product is

1121
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: the hippie. The other hit took me to a Russian

1122
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: tackle site. But when I got there, the photo of

1123
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: the hippie I clicked to get me there was nowhere

1124
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: to be found. Try as I might, I could uncover

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01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: no history of the hippie. I didn't get a single

1126
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: hit from a single message board thread discussing it. Nothing.

1127
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: So how could something so widely available for so many

1128
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: years of my life just vanish into the ether? I

1129
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: have one theory, aside from the theory that the Russians

1130
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: are somehow involved. Could it be that the hippie had

1131
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: too offensive of a name, forcing ACNE to rub it

1132
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: out permanently as the world got more PC don't scoff

1133
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: at that, because when Andrew Grillos is potent dry fly

1134
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: the Hippie Stomper was picked up by Orvis, they thought

1135
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: changing the name to the Hollow Humpy was a smarter move.

1136
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: In reality, I guess the Acme Hippie simply wasn't popular

1137
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: enough in markets outside kids chasing snapper blues and jersey

1138
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: to run with bangers like the Phoebe and Cleo, and

1139
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: it was just sort of phased out. But considering there

1140
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: are forums and threads and fake news about everything on

1141
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: the planet on the Internet, the lack of hippie content

1142
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: and reference is startling. So please, if you grew up

1143
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: fishing the hippie let me know. Help me figure out

1144
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: whether this was reality or just some weird dream I had,

1145
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: Because I know the truth it's out there. That's all

1146
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: we have in this week strolled down nostalgia Lane. But

1147
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: for those of you who did irreversible harm to your

1148
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: short term memory in your younger years, here are a

1149
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: few things that were never good ideas. I do not

1150
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: recommend using word blowers for facial piercings. Brad Leone does

1151
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: not recommend sticking your digits in a blue fish face,

1152
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: Martin Donovan does not recommend partying with British Land managers.

1153
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: And Joe does recommend that you help him solve the

1154
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: mystery of what happened to the hippie spoon. Please I'm

1155
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: going nuts here, okay. I also recommend that you send

1156
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: more awkward photos bar nomination, Salbin items, fish news stories,

1157
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: and lightly used facial jewelry to bent at the meat

1158
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: eater dot com. Drop the hashtags degenerate Angler and Bent

1159
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: Podcast for the chance to win sweet sticker art. Yeah,

1160
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: and don't forget to check out Nikki's Bent Verse bridging

1161
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: playlist on Spotify and let us know who wore the

1162
01:02:39,400 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: nineties better use ms last b