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Speaker 2: two Busy Show Today we'll review week two. We also

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Speaker 2: have Jim Naggy, who is the executive director of the

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Speaker 2: Senior Bowl, will come your way in the back half

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Speaker 2: of this podcast. Good conversation about their watch list and

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Speaker 2: what this draft class looks in general.

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Speaker 3: But a fun weekend of college football.

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Speaker 2: And you know it was the big postgame locker room

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Speaker 2: with the Chargers after they won Week one against the Raiders,

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Speaker 2: with the whole team chanting the worm is turned. Well,

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Speaker 2: the worm might not only have turned for Jim Harbaugh's

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Speaker 2: new teams. That might have turned a little bit for

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Speaker 3: Very very one sided loss to the Texas Longhorns.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean you had which expec I mean

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Speaker 4: fact is the Michigan Wolverines lost seven offensive linemen from

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Speaker 4: last year's team, seven offensive linemen who were either drafted

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no question about it. So let's start the quarterback

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Speaker 3: for Texas, quin yours.

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Speaker 5: What were your thoughts after?

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Speaker 4: Its efficient not great, protected the football, moved the team

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Speaker 4: down down the field. The thing that concerns me about

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Speaker 4: times it is a little bit late pulling the triggers,

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Speaker 4: times does have a tendency to stare down the primary target.

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Speaker 4: When I reached out to Texas people about it, they say, well,

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Speaker 4: he just doesn't want to make a mistake. Well that's nice,

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Speaker 4: but you can't do that in the NFL. You got

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Speaker 4: to make your mind up. You got to pull the trigger.

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Speaker 4: But again, you know, he's winning, he's moving the team,

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Speaker 4: and he's doing it efficiently. Now, I think one of

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Speaker 4: the reasons that he was able to do that was

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Speaker 4: because of the offensive line of Texas, which is terrific,

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Speaker 4: and they're left tackle. Calvin Banks. I tweeted about him

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Speaker 4: during the game. He was just phenomenal. I mean, really

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Speaker 4: He was terrific in pass protection. There were a couple

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Speaker 4: big athletic defensive tackle from Michigan, and took him out

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Speaker 4: of the game on running downs. He shows the ability

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Speaker 4: many things to like about Calvin Banks.

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Speaker 4: Granted now they're in the SEC, so he's going to

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Speaker 5: But he really stood out to me in that win

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there could be another couple of top ten tackles

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Speaker 5: Banks is one of them.

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Speaker 2: The two LSU players as well, so something to keep

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Speaker 4: You I mean, Michigan had some good players on defense,

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Speaker 4: a lot of nice plays. And Juan Barum, the transfer

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Speaker 4: Showed a lot of good things. So I think with Michigan,

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Speaker 3: And for Texas it was their tight end leading the

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Speaker 4: a junior, he's already been graded by scouts. He's graded

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Speaker 3: Yeah, tell you took the words out of my mouth.

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Speaker 2: When you're when you're playing for a program like Bowling

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you want to turn it whatever.

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Speaker 2: Those are the games that you have to kind of

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Speaker 4: And he absolutely did. And like I said, you know,

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Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to that Oklahoma State Arkansas game.

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Speaker 5: It was a great football game, except if you were

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Speaker 5: Colin Oliver is the guy that scouts like he's a senior.

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Speaker 5: He's an explosive guy. He went down early in the

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Speaker 5: I think change will look towards Andrew Armstrong. A lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you wouldn't expect him to be a sub

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Speaker 3: All right, let's good to Notre Dame. Wasn't a good

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Speaker 2: Hey Riley Leonard in that game there, quarterback twenty to

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Speaker 5: That's been Riley Leonard for three years.

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Speaker 2: All right, Now, we got a few players some other

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Speaker 4: the Grason McColl the former Coastal Carolina quarterback who's never

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Speaker 4: Anthony Belton is a guy that is all over the

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Speaker 4: some scouts had him great as a late round pick.

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Speaker 4: He's one of those guys that at times, as I said,

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Speaker 2: All right, Now, let's go out to the rivalry out

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Speaker 3: One point defeat. But there were a couple of players

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Speaker 3: You're assumed, blushal BERTONI and Malik Verdon or Mark Verdon.

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Speaker 5: Malik Verdn got it? I believe it's Malik.

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Speaker 2: Yes, any anything else from this weekend that jumped out

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Speaker 4: Guess you got to talk about the Nebraska Colorado game,

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Speaker 6: I mean this year, and it's bad again.

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Speaker 4: And what happened was Deon Sanders game in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 4: And I looked at Shidar Sanders and I'm reminded of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we knew Matt Rule by the way he struggled

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fans are gonna hear about Rayol a lot over

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Speaker 2: the next few months, Tony, as Nebraska starts to play

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Speaker 3: Just so fans know, he is not draft eligible, true freshman,

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Speaker 3: But it is someone certainly that we'll be tracking here.

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Speaker 5: Correct, Oh, absolutely, absolutely, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's supposed to be a really really good player, something

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Speaker 2: we will certainly keep an eye on. All right, before

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Speaker 2: we get to Jim Naggy here, wan o, mind everybody

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Speaker 2: Jim Naggy, Front of the Program, Executive Doctor, Executive director

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Speaker 2: of the Reese's Senior Bowl Tony I had a chance

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Speaker 2: the season started about the draft lass and what to

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Speaker 2: keep an eye on through the college football season this year.

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Speaker 2: And now we're joined by our guest, the executive director

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Speaker 1: He is Jim naggy Jim. It's good to see it, man,

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Speaker 7: I'm great, John, good to be on with you and

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Speaker 7: Tony Man. This is uh, shoot, it's here. It's here. Uh,

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Speaker 7: it's here.

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Speaker 6: So let's go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah and think though, this is a very different year

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Speaker 2: How is that impacting you in the way you're looking

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Speaker 7: Well, I agree with you. Yeah, there's it feels like

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Speaker 7: I mean, if you're one of these, you know fan

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Speaker 7: which would be I think it'll be awesome. I can't

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Speaker 7: seeing some on campus playoff games. I mean that's really cool.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, in terms of like evaluating for the year bowl,

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Speaker 6: I mean, you're you're evaluating the players.

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Speaker 7: And the good thing is some of these guys in

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Speaker 6: The evaluation in some cases.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, I mean, we we do a lot of

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Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean, well, the one known quantity every

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Speaker 7: And I don't think we can say that this year.

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Speaker 7: And that's no knock on Kayln de Boor. I think

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Speaker 6: But they did. I mean, you lose Caleb Downs and

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Speaker 2: folks want to go check that out. What's different about

436
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Speaker 2: the watch list this year? What makes it stand out

437
00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,919
Speaker 2: compared to other watch lists you've put out, Jim? I

438
00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,359
Speaker 2: know the anticipation was that this was going to be

439
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Speaker 2: a gignormous.

440
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Speaker 1: Flack of a better turned draft class. Was that reflected

441
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Speaker 1: in your watch list?

442
00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:34,479
Speaker 5: Yes?

443
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,280
Speaker 7: Absolutely, Yeah, that thing was way bigger than than I

444
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 7: want it to be, and hopefully it won't be that

445
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,439
Speaker 7: big in future years. Again, I I've said this on

446
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 7: a couple of things, you know, coming out of the

447
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,359
Speaker 7: immediacy of the now, we're a couple of weeks removed

448
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Speaker 7: from it.

449
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Speaker 6: In the immediacy of the draft. The watch list release.

450
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Speaker 7: One thing we've never tried to do here at the

451
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Speaker 7: Senior Bowl since since I got here, you know, seven

452
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 7: years ago. I never want to pump false hope in

453
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:03,920
Speaker 7: any of these kids.

454
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,439
Speaker 6: Right, I don't want them to think that.

455
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,200
Speaker 7: I don't want to just put them on a list

456
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 7: for like social media engagement, like I you know, like

457
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 7: that's I just I want a ben on enough phone

458
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 7: calls right after the draft with players that think they're

459
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 7: going to get drafted that you know, I'm calling them

460
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 7: working on the team side to you know, make them

461
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,960
Speaker 7: an undrafted free agent and they're they're going to play

462
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 7: in the NFL, right, Like that should be a really

463
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 7: cool moment, that should be special. That should they should

464
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 7: be excited about it, but they're not because somewhere along

465
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 7: the line, somebody has told them they're going to be

466
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Speaker 7: an NFL draft pick, which all these guys want to

467
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 7: be picks. I get that part, but so we never

468
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 7: try to do that, you know, like we really try

469
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Speaker 7: to limit it. But for a couple of reasons, it's bigger.

470
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Speaker 7: The juniors are on it this year. You know, there's

471
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Speaker 7: eighty one juniors. We've never had that in the past.

472
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Speaker 7: The NFL didn't announce that ruling lot until the early

473
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Speaker 7: part of last November, so they weren't on last year's list,

474
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Speaker 7: and and even pairing that list down right like we

475
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 7: could have we could have went crazy and thrown two

476
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 7: hundred juniors on the list, but you know, I wanted

477
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,400
Speaker 7: to be realistic with that. There was fifty nine juniors

478
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 7: come out last year, so why would we throw two

479
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 7: hundred names on the list. So we were you know,

480
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 7: we were at eighty one. And also I don't want

481
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Speaker 7: to throw a bunch of juniors on there that I'm

482
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 7: going to be getting calls from college coaches being like,

483
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,680
Speaker 7: what are you trying to do? Man, Like, we're not.

484
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 7: We want this guy back in school, Like why you

485
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 7: promoting this guy as a draft eligible guy? So so again,

486
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 7: those we worked hard at those relationships over the years,

487
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Speaker 7: and I so that's that.

488
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Speaker 6: So there's that, there's the junior part of it. We

489
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Speaker 6: hadd it specialists.

490
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Speaker 5: This year.

491
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Speaker 7: We gave the kicker, snappers and punters a little love.

492
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Speaker 7: And then really the biggest reason why it's so beefed

493
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Speaker 7: up is that this is the last year that extra

494
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 7: COVID year, So there's a lot of fifth and sixth

495
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 7: year seniors as opposed in years past. So yeah, we're

496
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Speaker 7: sitting at eight fifty nine. I would love that number

497
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Speaker 7: to be closer to five hundred, but it was what

498
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Speaker 7: it was. That's where the grades ended up.

499
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Speaker 5: We had.

500
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Speaker 7: We had like if you ended up on the list,

501
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 7: you had kind of a grade that would get you

502
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Speaker 7: in an NFL training camp next year.

503
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Speaker 6: So it's kind of how it shook out.

504
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Speaker 4: Jim, I want to ask you a question about the

505
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 4: process with the juniors, and you know, it's funny. You

506
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 4: just to go through a timeline. It'll probably make you laugh,

507
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 4: but a lot of people don't know what the heck

508
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 4: I'm talking about. Thirty years ago, there was an eccentric

509
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 4: guy by the name of Dave T. Thomas who used

510
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 4: to run the hula ball when it was actually played

511
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 4: in a Loja stadium, and he invited juniors to his

512
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 4: game and thenfl said no way, wouldn't let any team

513
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Speaker 4: representatives go and scout. I'm sure a lot of scouts

514
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 4: that were upset because they missed out on a free

515
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 4: trip to Hawaii. And then the Senior ball on the

516
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 4: Phil said, which was actually the first that allowed juniors

517
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Speaker 4: to play in the game, juniors who were on pace

518
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Speaker 4: to get their degree in a timely manner or before

519
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 4: the time comes. And then, as you said, you know,

520
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 4: the league makes the announcement last year juniors can play

521
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Speaker 4: in the game if you have let's say, two offensive

522
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 4: tackles to receive. One's a senior, one's an underclassmen. I mean,

523
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 4: and they're both neck and neck as far as your

524
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 4: gratings are concerned. Do you think there's gonna be some

525
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 4: sort of deference to the senior player or how is

526
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 4: that process going to work out? Because it still is

527
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Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl.

528
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Speaker 6: Right right?

529
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Speaker 7: No, that's that's a great context there, great great historical

530
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 7: context there. Yeah, Phil's again, that was that wasn't I

531
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 7: mean that Phil was in this chair when the when

532
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 7: the league made that ruling, and it was you had

533
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 7: to have your diploma in hand by December. It wasn't

534
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 7: like an on track thing. You had to have it.

535
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 7: You had to be graduated. And we and that was

536
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 7: one of the things when we got here, we realized,

537
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 7: like we need to take advantage of that. So we've

538
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 7: had as many as sixteen juniors in the game even

539
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 7: when it was just the graduate thing. Now, when I

540
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,719
Speaker 7: look at this year's game, this past year, we had

541
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Speaker 7: ten first rounders, all of them were seniors. We didn't

542
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Speaker 7: get a single junior last year, and I think it

543
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 7: was because of the timeline of when it was released.

544
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Speaker 7: I just don't think a lot of these kids like

545
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 7: get it in their head what their pre draft process

546
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 7: is going to look like. And for those juniors, I

547
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 7: don't think they factored in senior bole at all. So

548
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 7: that's where I think we can get better this year.

549
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 7: People always ask, you know, what's next and what do

550
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 7: you want to do well, And I think we've got

551
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 7: a lot of room to improve because there was a

552
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 7: lot of junior receivers that we couldn't convince to come

553
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 7: down here to Mobile. I mean a lot of those

554
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 7: guys that ended up not coming got jumped by the

555
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 7: guys that came to Mobile. I mean the Ricky piersoll Is,

556
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 7: the Lad mcconkey's, the Xavier Legates. All you got to

557
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 7: do is go back to pre senior bole mock first

558
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 7: round drafts, and there was a lot of juniors up

559
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 7: there above those three guys for sure. So no, it's

560
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 7: something where you know, again, it's you know, I understand

561
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 7: a question. I would say, we're always trying to bring

562
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 7: the guys down here that the league wants to see most.

563
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 7: And you know, just historically conventional thinking has always been

564
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 7: we need to see the juniors because we don't know

565
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 7: them as well the league. When I say we in

566
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 7: the league the scouts they don't feel like they know

567
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 7: those guys as much as players. Because even though this

568
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 7: thing is shifted quite a bit over the years in

569
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Speaker 7: terms of schools being more open to talking about juniors,

570
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Speaker 7: I mean, Tony, you know this, It used to be

571
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Speaker 7: taboo as a scout, Like if you show up at

572
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 7: a school and you ask about a junior. Like I've

573
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 7: been in those rooms where a young scout would ask

574
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 7: about a junior and not only would the coach get

575
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 7: pissed off the rest of the scouts, you know, like

576
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 7: as soon as the coach walked out, like the guy

577
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 7: got a code red from the other scouts in the

578
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 7: room for even asking about a junior. So, but there

579
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 7: are stands in I'm getting long winded, but schools are

580
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 7: being more open about the juniors, but there's still some

581
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 7: that aren't. There's still some schools that don't want to

582
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 7: talk about this guy. So, all things being equal, same

583
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 7: grade feel the same way about the player. I would

584
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 7: probably defer to the junior player because again, I feel

585
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 7: like we work for the thirty two teams and if

586
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,479
Speaker 7: we're doing that, we're trying to bring the guys they

587
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 7: need to get to know better. Same thing goes with

588
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 7: like guys with character issues, Tony, So like there's a

589
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 7: couple of non negotiables like domestic stuff, weapons, stuff, like,

590
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 7: we will stay away from those players if we if

591
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 7: we have that information. But if it's close, like if

592
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 7: the teams are worried about how much a guy loves

593
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 7: football or some football character thing or you know, even

594
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 7: if like you know, we all we want all our

595
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 7: guys to get drafted, So it doesn't always to behoove

596
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 7: us to bring some of those guys. But if the

597
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 7: league feels like Jim, we would love to spend a

598
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 7: week with this kid and figuring this guy out. Even

599
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Speaker 7: if I know it might work against us in April

600
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 7: and a guy not get picked, We're gonna bring the

601
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 7: guy because that's I mean, we serve the teams. I

602
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 7: want to I want to bring the guys they want

603
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 7: to be around.

604
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Speaker 1: So we real quick. I don't you want to follow

605
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Speaker 1: up on that on that answer real fast? How does

606
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: that communication happen with the.

607
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: Teams in terms of knowing which guys that they want

608
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: you know more about You talk to scouts, you talk

609
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 2: to GM's Jim.

610
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Speaker 1: How does that conversation how do those conversations take place.

611
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Speaker 7: Yeah, John, So when uh, you know, when Phil Savage

612
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 7: had this job, I was living in Mobile. Phil is

613
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 7: a good friend of mine. I mean, feels great, you

614
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 7: did a great job at this game. But I would

615
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 7: get like a one off phone call here and then hey, Jim,

616
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 7: what do you think about this guy? What do you

617
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 7: think about this guy? And I'm sure he was doing

618
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 7: that with a lot of people. All all we've done

619
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 7: here since I got here is, you know, we have

620
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 7: our zoom meetings with our scouting staff at the end

621
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 7: of October. I feel like eight or nine weeks of

622
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 7: the college season, you've got a pretty good handle on

623
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 7: how it's going to shake out. Now, we still watch November,

624
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 7: we still go out November.

625
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 6: We hold some.

626
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 7: Roster spots back, so the guys that play well in November,

627
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 7: because college coaches want us to do that, you know,

628
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 7: we don't. They don't want to feel like this whole

629
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 7: thing's locked up in the early November and those kids

630
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 7: that have nothing to play for. But the once we

631
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 7: once we get the board feeling good about it, when

632
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 7: I feel good about how how things are, then we

633
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 7: start our formal call process. So like with the Giants,

634
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 7: I'll call Joe Shane, you know, and and uh he'll

635
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 7: get a couple of his lieutenants on the phone and well,

636
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 7: and I try to do this with at least half

637
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 7: the league. So every year it's like fourteen fifteen, sixteen teams,

638
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 7: seventeen teams, and we just go position by position, and

639
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 7: uh so, like for last year's game, at the quarterback spot,

640
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 7: I'll be like, Okay, we want Jayden Daniels, we want

641
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 7: Bo Nicks, we want Michael Pennix, you.

642
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 6: Know, you know, we want Spencer Rattler. Are you good

643
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 6: with those guys?

644
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 7: And ninety nine percent of the time they're like, yeah,

645
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 7: that's exactly how we have it, okay, And I'm like, okay,

646
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 7: So for those next couple of spots, we've got Michael Pratt.

647
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 7: We like, Michael Pratt, we like and you just we

648
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 7: have those position, we have those conversations across the board.

649
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 7: And again, because of the relationships of being in the

650
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 7: league for so long, I mean, shoot, Joe and I

651
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 7: got in the league at the same time. And it

652
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 7: varies from team to team a little bit. I mean

653
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 7: there's some teams that will be like, Jim, we've got

654
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 7: two third round picks and a five and a six

655
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 7: on that guy.

656
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 6: Like they'll be as that specific.

657
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 7: They will say what rounds, you know, if they have

658
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 7: got four grades, they'll tell me all four grades.

659
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 6: So then we have an idea of the span.

660
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 7: Other teams will be like they'll they'll ball park it

661
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 7: more than be like, yeah, we've got midday three stuff

662
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 7: on him, jam Er, you know we've got day We've

663
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 7: got across the board day two grades. So then so

664
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 7: that's again that helps us put the roster together, bring

665
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 7: the guys they want to see. So that's and that's

666
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 7: that's usually done right right around Halloween time.

667
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, more more of a more of a comment than

668
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 4: a question. You know, you talked about getting to know players,

669
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 4: and I think I've been going to the Senior Bowl

670
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 4: since two thousand. Practices were always important. You mentioned Phil Savage.

671
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: I think what he really did with the interview process

672
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 4: at the Senior Ball really took that whole week to

673
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 4: a next level because it takes so much of the

674
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 4: workload off from a lot of these guys from the combine.

675
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 4: They don't have to go and interview these players again

676
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 4: because they interviewed them so intensely at the Senior Bowl,

677
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 4: and you know, as you know, there'll be guys who

678
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 4: come into Mobile who are not on the roster, who

679
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 4: are not playing, who just want to interview with the

680
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 4: teams that are there. And I think that's that is

681
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 4: something major that Bill developed and you have built upon

682
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 4: in Mobile.

683
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, well a couple a couple of things there, Tony. Yeah,

684
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 7: Phil did a great job in a lot of areas.

685
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 7: We've had to change up the interview process a little

686
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 7: bit since COVID. It used to be an absolute free

687
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 7: for all on the second floor of the team Well,

688
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 7: I mean I was probably more sensitive to it once

689
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 7: I got here, but like you couldn't get from the

690
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 7: elevators on the second floor of the hotel to just

691
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 7: have breakfast in the morning without some guy like me

692
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 7: jumping on your back asking you you know when I'm

693
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 7: talking about players now, asking a player for you know,

694
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 7: to sit down for ten minutes. So by the time

695
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 7: they you know, even get to breakfast, now they're late

696
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 7: for meetings. And it was just a crap show. I mean,

697
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 7: it was it was agents, it was it was scouts,

698
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 7: it was you know, financial planners, it was media people.

699
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 7: So what the COVID year forced us to do right,

700
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 7: Like we stripped away everything from the week. We just

701
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 7: had practices, We just had the game, and we had

702
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 7: to formalize all the interviews. We spent whatever that number was,

703
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 7: eight grand or eleven grand, whatever it was on plexiglass,

704
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 7: and uh, we had to formalize all the interviews. So

705
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 7: now the teams know when they're meeting with each guy.

706
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 7: We let them, you know, we do it. We do

707
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 7: a process where they can you know, they can request

708
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 7: additional interview time with with another handful of players. We've

709
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 7: pulled the quarterbacks out of the interview process and they

710
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 7: do their own separate thing now, so they get even

711
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 7: more time.

712
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 6: But I just did this.

713
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 7: I just was talking to a GM the other day

714
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 7: and he's like, you know, Jim, if we leave mobile

715
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 7: and the guy was good enough in the eView process there,

716
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 7: like we don't even worry about him the rest of

717
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 7: the time. We won't even talk to him with Combine

718
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 7: and when we when we when we UH, when we

719
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 7: do our survey, we survey our players after the game

720
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 7: and you would imagine, like most surveys the response rate

721
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 7: is is hit or miss, But we usually get about

722
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 7: thirty percent of the guys when we respond to the survey,

723
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 7: and that's what they said. One of the one of

724
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 7: the best takeaways is that they went to Indy and

725
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 7: the Combine experience was was so much easier than the

726
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 7: guys that the guys that weren't here, Like if they

727
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 7: had a roommate at the Combine who didn't play here,

728
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 7: in comparison, how much easier their week was. So there

729
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 7: is value in it. The the interview process is paramount.

730
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 7: Now we don't bring players down here just to do interviews.

731
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 7: That's going to be the end of the All Star process.

732
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 7: If that, if that continues to happen, and it's happened

733
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 7: at other games I have I have spoken to the

734
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 7: league office numerous times this offseason. If we're just inviting

735
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 7: players to do interviews in a couple of years, we're

736
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 7: not going to have any of these guys on the field.

737
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 7: Competing agents are going to abuse the heck out of that.

738
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 7: I mean, there was there was players that I know

739
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 7: were healthy enough to participate in All Star Games last year,

740
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 7: and I told the agents know they can't come.

741
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 6: Here to do it.

742
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 7: Because it you know, we did it with Hendon Hooker

743
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 7: a couple of years ago because there's kind of a

744
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 7: one off. I mean, I thought Hendon deserved it, but

745
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 7: that's it shouldn't have been a wide, a widespread practice,

746
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 7: and now that it's becoming one, we got to be

747
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 7: really careful. The League office knows, they're they're on alert.

748
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 7: The GMS aren't happy about it, Like the players that

749
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 7: are an All Star Game should be here on the

750
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 7: field competing, not just using it for an interview process.

751
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 6: They can do that.

752
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 7: They can do that at the Combine, they can do

753
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 7: it at their pro day, they can do it on

754
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 7: a thirty visit.

755
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 6: What they can't do is get it in pads and compete.

756
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

757
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: One other process question before we start dipping in some

758
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: of the players here, Jim, when do you start talking

759
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: with the actual players about guys that all right, we're

760
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: gonna send you an invite or do you not say

761
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: anything to the guys until the official one comes like

762
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: in December. How does that process work communicating with the

763
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: colleges and the players about when you start telling those guys,

764
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: we definitely want you win this game for the Senior Bowl.

765
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, John, that's.

766
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 6: A great question.

767
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 7: We leave these players alone, man, I don't reach out

768
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 7: to these players at all. I'll see him over the

769
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 7: summer at man in camp or something like that, or

770
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 7: SEC media days, or if I'm out on the field

771
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 7: pregame in a game on Saturday and a position coach

772
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 7: or coordinator brings a guy over, that's always awesome to

773
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 7: get to meet him. But like, I respect the college

774
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 7: coaches way too much to be like jumping in these

775
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 7: kids d and bothering, Like they should be focused on

776
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 7: winning foototball games for whatever school they're at, not what

777
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 7: All Star game, you know, if they're gonna play in

778
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 7: an All Star Game or not. So no, we we don't.

779
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 7: We don't hit them up. We don't talk to them.

780
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 6: You know. I'll have conversations with agents, and that's changed

781
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 6: a little bit.

782
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 7: I mean now because of Nil, all these guys can

783
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 7: have agents, So we have a lot of those conversations

784
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 7: for sure. And if a player reaches out to me,

785
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 7: a lot of these guys get my number if they

786
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 7: do that. If they reach out and they have questions about,

787
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 7: you know, where they stand in the draft process and

788
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 7: what what teams think of them, I'm happy to answer

789
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 7: those questions. But I got I got too many friends

790
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 7: on the coaching side.

791
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 6: That are trying to.

792
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 7: Win football games and feed their families that they don't

793
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 7: need some all star game idiot like me hitting them

794
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 7: up about playing in the Senior Bowls. So there there's

795
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 7: plenty of time to get that done after the season, and.

796
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: Those first invites come out of what like December, like

797
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: late December, after the regulation.

798
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 6: No, we'll do the first round in November.

799
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 7: Again, I think any any earlier than that, you know,

800
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 7: and this is just feedback from college coaches.

801
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 6: Any earlier than that, they're like, nog you, what are

802
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 6: you doing?

803
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 5: Man?

804
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 6: Like we're you know, we're.

805
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 7: Not even a month into the season or whatever. So

806
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 7: I think that's the good timing. And then again, we

807
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 7: always hold some roster spots back. We have to now

808
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 7: for juniors, we can't even offer them until they officially declare.

809
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 7: So like that's made the roster build a little different, right,

810
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 7: that's a new dynamic. You gotta hold some spots for

811
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 7: these juniors. And then it happens every year, especially with

812
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 7: transfer portal. Now, these guys get better in November, like

813
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 7: you get it. You get a transfer that's in a

814
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 7: new school, or you get a guy that has a

815
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 7: new coaching staff coming in for a senior year. He

816
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 7: might not know what he's doing the first six or

817
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 7: seven weeks out of the year, so he's not playing fast,

818
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 7: he's thinking too much. And then you put you cut

819
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 7: on the November tape and it starts to click and

820
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 7: you're like, wow, this is this is this is the guy,

821
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 7: this is who we thought he was gonna be. And

822
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 7: then when that happens, you you better have a dang

823
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 7: roster spot ready for him. So so we don't we don't.

824
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 7: We don't invite to capacity in November, but that first

825
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 7: round invites will go out around November.

826
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 4: We talked about juniors, talked about state Alabama. I want

827
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 4: to start to talk to you about some players. First off,

828
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 4: is Jalen Milroe, a guy who I absolutely love. I

829
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 4: think he is sadly underrated. I mean, at this point

830
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 4: a year ago, people were talking about Jaden Daniels being

831
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 4: a fifth round pick moved up to be it turned

832
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 4: out to be the second pick of the draft. I

833
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 4: see that same sort of potential or ability in Jalen Milroe.

834
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 4: When you look at the physical skills, just got to improve.

835
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 4: Some of the things, in my opinion, is downfield passing.

836
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 4: What do you think about.

837
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 7: Jalen Milroe, Yeah, really excited to see Jayleen. To me,

838
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 7: he's one of those guys. I've been asked that a

839
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 7: lot over the last few weeks, like who you excited

840
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 7: to see? Jalen's one of those guys. One just what

841
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 7: it's going to look like in Kaylen Devore's offense. I

842
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 7: think everyone assumes that they're just going to be a

843
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 7: bombs away offense.

844
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 6: But Calen's a great coach.

845
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 7: He was just playing to the strengths of what Washington

846
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 7: had last year, right, I mean, Michael Pennix was a

847
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 7: great depaull thrower, and they had in my opinion, three

848
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 7: eventual NFL starting receivers on that team with the Dunes,

849
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 7: McMillan and Poke. So that's what they were offensively. I

850
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 7: don't know if that's what they're gonna be at Alabama

851
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 7: this year. Maybe they will be because because because Milroe

852
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 7: can throw.

853
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 6: Good deep ball. I think the biggest thing with Jalen

854
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 6: is the anticipation.

855
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 7: I think you know right now, he you know, he

856
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 7: likes to see a clear picture before he lets it rip.

857
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 7: I think that's where I'll be looking to see the

858
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 7: improvement and it should you know, year two as a starter.

859
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 7: I was at that Texas game last year that he

860
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 7: got benched after, and it was really cool to see him,

861
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 7: you know, got bench for South Florida and then got

862
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 7: reinserted and then just got better and better and better

863
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 7: over the course, you know that the second half of

864
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 7: the season.

865
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 6: So yes, I agree, Tony.

866
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 7: I mean, I just go back to when Lamar came

867
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 7: out and there was a lot of people bashing Lamar in.

868
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 6: The skill set.

869
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 7: And I was with the Seahawks at that point, and

870
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 7: trust me, there were people in in our building like

871
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 7: that weren't Lamar fans, and it wasn't.

872
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 6: Bill Pollion takes Bill uh. Bill Pollion takes all the.

873
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 7: Brunt of criticism because he's the one that said, you know,

874
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 7: Lamar should be a wide receiver. And again, it sounds

875
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 7: crazy now in hindsight that Lamar is an MVP level player,

876
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 7: but that he wasn't the only guy. I mean, there's

877
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 7: people in league thinking of that too. And so the

878
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 7: people right now have read a lot of harsh things

879
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 7: about Jaylen Milroe over the summer and his passing skill set.

880
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 6: I'd just be careful because that's the only people are

881
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 6: saying about Lamar Jackson, so well, we'll see where it goes.

882
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 6: But he's you know, he's either the first or the

883
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 6: second fastest player in that program in Tuscaloosa. That's saying

884
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 6: a lot. I mean it's not like he's playing at

885
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 6: some small school in the middle in the middle of

886
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 6: the country. I mean he's at Bama and he's one

887
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 6: of the top couple fastest dudes on the team.

888
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 7: He's dynamics. He's got a chance to really ascend this fall.

889
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, especially Jim in a quarterback class that's

890
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: not last year's class.

891
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: Right, We're heading into the year. We knew Caleb Williams

892
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 2: was gonna be really good. We're pretty sure Drake may

893
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: was going to be really good. Now you didn't have

894
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: a bunch of other guys emerged like Jayden Daniels. To

895
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: Tony's point, I think this year, while you're looking at

896
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: guys like Shoo or Sanders Carson Beck, this to me

897
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,479
Speaker 2: is a much more wide open quarterback landscape here where

898
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: I could probably pick any of five guys where if

899
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: they end up being the top quarterback in next year's class,

900
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: it wouldn't necessarily surprise any of us.

901
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 7: No, I'm with you. You throw Quinn viewers in there.

902
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 7: I mean those are the Riley Leonard. What's he gonna

903
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 7: look like going from duketon Notre Dame. I'm really excited

904
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 7: to see that. Cam Ward going from Washington State to Miami.

905
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 7: I'm excited to see that. So Will Howard in Columbus, Ohio.

906
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 7: We liked Will last year. I was ready to invite

907
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 7: Will Howard to the Senior Bowl last year. Most of

908
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 7: the teams needed those calls a lot. Most teams had,

909
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 7: you know, fourth, fifth round grades on Will Howard. So yeah,

910
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 7: I think it's TBD. I think a lot is to

911
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 7: be determined. I think a lot of these guys are

912
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 7: gonna are gonna elevate, and I'm with you, it'll be

913
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 7: interesting by the time we get to April what it

914
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 7: looks like. But again, you, I don't think we're gonna

915
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 7: have six guys in the top twelve like we did

916
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 7: this past year. But I wouldn't be surprised if there's

917
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 7: three or four guys in the first round. That wouldn't

918
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 7: surprise me.

919
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: Tony. Why don't you start rolling off all your players?

920
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 5: Man?

921
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Well, yeah, well.

922
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: I want to stand the quarterbacks because I I mean,

923
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 4: I've been the Senior Bowl practices where there were four

924
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 4: quarterbacks on each team because of the depth of the

925
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 4: position and what the teams wanted to see. I mean,

926
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 4: besides the guys you mentioned dj Ukule of Florida State,

927
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 4: Donovan Smith of Houston, you got kJ Jefferson at Central Florida.

928
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 5: I mean, is there.

929
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 4: I know this is kind of asking you to forecast,

930
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 4: but could we see a Senior Bowl roster with four

931
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 4: quarterbacks on each side?

932
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: We could?

933
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, yeah, that's that's certainly your possibility. I

934
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 7: tried to remain open minded with all these positions, and again,

935
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 7: the goal is just to bring the best players.

936
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 6: So a couple of years where it looked lean it

937
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 6: you know, lean it tight end.

938
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 7: I try to get to like a total pass catcher's

939
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 7: number because a lot of these college tight ends you

940
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 7: can put them out in the slot basically you know

941
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 7: him and let him run routes and do all that stuff.

942
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 7: So we went heavy at receiver. You know, we'll bring

943
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 7: eighteen receivers and we'll only bring six tight ends or

944
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 7: so we're just trying to We're just trying to bring

945
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 7: the best players. So there's eight legit draftable quarterbacks that

946
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 7: the league wants to see.

947
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 6: We can go to eight.

948
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 7: Then I worry a little bit about reps, and you

949
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 7: know how many reps guys are getting. So again that's

950
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 7: a little a little touchy, But those are conversations again

951
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 7: you're just having with agents. And again right now most

952
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 7: of these most of these quarterbacks have agents at this point.

953
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 7: So but it's it's certainly something we do whant.

954
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 4: To ask you about some small school guys, especially on

955
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 4: the offensive line, because the Singa Bole has historically, you know,

956
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 4: put some terrific small school offensive line into the draft.

957
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: It seems the flavor of the summer and the guy

958
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 4: that when I speak to scouts they ask me what

959
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 4: do you think about him? Especially the agents Charles Grant

960
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 4: of William and Mary the offensive tackle we probably no

961
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 4: one knows about unless you're in the scouting community. But

962
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 4: this guy is really building a buzzer around himself.

963
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, cause because because the athletes really easy to like

964
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 7: Tony put on the tape, he's light on his feet,

965
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 7: some of the pass pro stuff looks really good. So

966
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 7: you know he's so you know, a year ago at

967
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 7: this time, would you ask me who the who the

968
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 7: highest drapped small school player would have been. I would

969
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 7: have said, uh, Kieran Amagaji from from Yale, and again

970
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 7: a guy that would have been here in the senior

971
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 7: orl had he not gotten hurt of We liked him

972
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 7: a lot of the I've got. We got Grant like

973
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 7: a little bit lower on the board than where Kieran was.

974
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 7: But did Kieran go in that he went day two

975
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 7: to Chicago. I believe, I believe he went in the

976
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 7: third round. Yeah, I could see Grant. I don't see

977
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 7: Grant getting out of the fourth. Could I see him

978
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 7: getting into the day too, certainly? And I saw him

979
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 7: at Duke Manweather's camp this summer, got a chance to

980
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 7: meet him, and I told him, I said, you got

981
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 7: to get stronger. You gotta get stronger, and and you

982
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 7: got to finish. You gotta, you gotta finish. Dudes play

983
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 7: with a little a little nasty edge to him. But

984
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 7: what you can't teaches is the athlete and the way

985
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 7: he dances in pass pro. And again everyone's looking for tackles.

986
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 7: Those guys don't grow on trees. So I know that

987
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 7: there's a huge get for William and Mary keeping him,

988
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 7: and I know he probably had a lot of offers.

989
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 7: So that's gonna be cool teams. We'll look at that.

990
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 7: You know the fact that he had loyalty to his

991
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 7: school is a good thing. But yeah, they're they're gonna

992
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 7: have a lot of foot traffic through William and Mary

993
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 7: this fall.

994
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 5: Want to go big Sky.

995
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 4: He's got a bunch of guys on your list, and

996
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 4: you know it's usually Montana, Montana State, Jackie Slater at

997
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 4: a Sacramento State that's had a pretty good program there,

998
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 4: Elijah Ponder the defensive end out of cal Parley, and

999
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 4: Lan Larison the running back from cal Davis, the same

1000
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 4: school that produced a guy on the name of Ken

1001
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 4: O'Brien forty years ago.

1002
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 5: Just give us a little load down on those three guys.

1003
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I know.

1004
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 7: So I met Jackson Slater at that event as well.

1005
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 7: Looks the part looks like an NFL dude when he

1006
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 7: walks up on you. So that's that checks that box.

1007
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 7: He's not just a small good, small school offensive lineman

1008
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 7: of tape. He's got an NFL for plays on his

1009
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 7: feet really makes it look easy again. A conversation I

1010
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 7: had with him was, you know, you need to be

1011
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 7: more physically dominant at that level. I mean, you got

1012
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 7: to put on the tape. You need to stand out more.

1013
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,959
Speaker 7: But he's never on the ground. He's gonna test well.

1014
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 7: He's got the body. So a lot to like there. Gosh,

1015
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 7: ponder yes, I saw Cal poll early in the summer,

1016
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 7: the Cal Davis running back, Marcus Ware the tackle at

1017
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 7: Montana State.

1018
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 6: You brought up to Montana schools. Right off the bat, Uh,

1019
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 6: where's the guy? We really like?

1020
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 7: He plays tackle there at Montana State. Probably more of

1021
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 7: a guard just based off what we know the measurables are.

1022
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 7: I think he's six ' to and change. But he

1023
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 7: was a guy that I had a couple of Power

1024
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 7: five schools hit me up about in the spring they

1025
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 7: were going to try to bring him in and and uh,

1026
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 7: he's not a hard guy to to like.

1027
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 6: There's not a lot of warm up. I mean, you

1028
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 6: put that kid on.

1029
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 7: I mean he's he's he's got an NFL talent and

1030
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 7: he's a draftable player. So so yeah, it's it's gonna

1031
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 7: it's good out there. I mean there was some there

1032
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 7: was a lot of West Coast talent last year. We

1033
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 7: had a lot of a lot of Oregon, a lot

1034
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 7: of Arizona. Last year a lot of Washington, so there

1035
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 7: was there was some really high end talent out there

1036
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 7: on the West Coast. And this year the small school

1037
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 7: West coast guys are there's some good ones.

1038
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 5: Sure.

1039
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 4: One guy closer to home for you, a small school

1040
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 4: guy that didn't make the jump to one A d

1041
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 4: J Jones out of who now from Murray State now

1042
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 4: playing at U a B. Was really impressed with the

1043
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 4: athleticism and the movement skills he showed. Made the decision

1044
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 4: to go back to school for that extra year. Now

1045
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 4: at U A B. You know it was which is

1046
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 4: gonna be h? I mean, they run the ball, but

1047
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 4: it's gonna be a pro style type offense. Talk about

1048
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 4: DJ Jones, I like this guy a lot. I like

1049
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 4: his upside.

1050
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, we like him too. And again it's been a

1051
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 7: while since since I watched the tape. We're gonna be

1052
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 7: at their opener. I'm trying to think of, you know,

1053
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 7: we're at their opener where they're week one. We're gonna

1054
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 7: be a U A be a couple more times. Get

1055
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 7: up there and see coach still for team. So we're

1056
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 7: gonna we're gonna have plenty of looks at Jones, but

1057
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 7: he's a guy that he's a guy that we like.

1058
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 7: He's another guy we have draftable great on So we're

1059
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 7: with you there at Tony. But it's important if we're

1060
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 7: gonna have a draftable player out of the state, even

1061
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 7: though you know the Troy's we had the two guys

1062
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 7: last year, Kamani Vidal and Javan Solomon, if they're in

1063
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 7: South Alabama. If you got draftable guys in the state,

1064
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 7: we want to keep them here, you know, because they're

1065
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 7: their fan bases are going to travel. So we haven't

1066
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 7: had a UA V guy in the game in a

1067
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 7: couple of years. So hopefully DJ is the year we

1068
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 7: think you could have.

1069
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: You know, Tony mentioned a lot of guys up front

1070
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: when you look.

1071
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 2: One more question on the wash list for me, Jim,

1072
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: is this a much bigger draft with bigger guy specifically

1073
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 2: upfront on defense compared to what we saw last year.

1074
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, like last year's game was really offensive

1075
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 7: line heavy. That was a great class. We're seeing a

1076
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 7: lot of these guys are gonna be rookie starters and

1077
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 7: sometimes one on I mean one on ones are really competitive,

1078
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 7: trust me. We I mean, you had play out to

1079
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 7: lots to and a bunch of other great defensive linemen.

1080
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 7: But but I would say overall the old line won

1081
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 7: those one on one battles more so than the D line.

1082
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 7: That that's it's probably gonna flip this year. If you

1083
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 7: if you looked at our board right now, it certainly

1084
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Speaker 7: looks uneven with with the old line D line. That's

1085
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 7: a really stacked defensive line class all the way from

1086
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 7: like noses all the way out to the edge guys

1087
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 7: if we're including the edge guys's defensive linemen. Yeah, there's

1088
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 7: some depth there and in some of the big interior

1089
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 7: guys that pass rush, which is which is cool. Sometimes

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00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 7: you're just dealing with, you know, big two down bodies

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00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 7: in there. But there's gonna be some interier guys in

1092
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 7: this class that can get upfield. So it's it's it's

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00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 7: the best, the deepest D line class they've had at

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Speaker 7: least a couple of years, at least a few years.

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Speaker 1: How many scouts do you have now sending out the games?

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Speaker 7: Jim got eleven eleven former NFL guys, same numbers last year.

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Speaker 6: We mixed it up. A couple of guys got opportunities

1098
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 6: back in the league.

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Speaker 7: We brought a couple of new guys in, a couple

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Speaker 7: of guys that had director titles last year in the league,

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00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 7: which is cool to add some guys that have some

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00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 7: executive experience as well. And so yeah, they're they're they're

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00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 7: getting after it. It's it's it's a it's a really

1104
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Speaker 7: good staff. Getting to know some of those guys. Some

1105
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 7: of them I was really familiar with. A couple of

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Speaker 7: guys came back from last year's staff, and then a

1107
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 7: couple of them are new couple guys that I don't

1108
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 7: really know very well. So it's been fun. That's a

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00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 7: fun part of the process. I say it all the time.

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm very you know, I like what we've

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00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 7: built here on the football operation side.

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00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 6: But a lot of it's selfish.

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00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 7: But if my job were to sit amobile and just

1114
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 7: like watch this tape and pick players by myself, that

1115
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 7: frankly wouldn't be a lot of fun.

1116
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 6: So so selfishly, it's been great. You know, it's great.

1117
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 7: I mean, we're all texting all the time and calling

1118
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 7: each other when we see a player we like, just

1119
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 7: like we would if we were working for a team.

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00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 7: So and then we've got we've got a DFO upstairs,

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00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 7: Jack Gilmore, and we've got three scouting assistants. So all

1122
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 7: told on the football side of the operation, there's fifteen

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00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 7: of us.

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Speaker 2: Nice final question for me, just want to relate it

1125
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 2: back to the Giants here. Giants have two guys we're

1126
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl last year and Thel Johnson and

1127
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: Drew Phillips that they have high hopes for this year.

1128
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: It looks like Drew Phillips is gonna be the you

1129
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 2: know week one starting Nickel, give Giant fans a little

1130
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: bit of a feel for what you got out of

1131
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 2: being around those two guys for a week in Mobile

1132
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: last year.

1133
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think, you know, the cool part was watching

1134
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 7: the Hard Knocks and uh, you know, seeing Joe and

1135
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 7: and Brandon Brown, like they said some really nice things

1136
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 7: about those guys and what it meant for them to

1137
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 7: be with them and Mobile.

1138
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 6: I know Brandon made the point that the.

1139
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 7: Their secret sauce was like multiple touch points and I've

1140
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 7: tried to tell agents that, and I try to tell

1141
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 7: the players it's like, guys, all they're.

1142
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 6: Trying to do is get to know you, Like you've

1143
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 6: got a week to spend around these teams.

1144
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 7: They're just I mean, and again, when you go to India,

1145
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 7: if you're here for a week and then you go

1146
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 7: to India, you're gonna see a lot of familiar faces.

1147
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 6: It's gonna make your process a lot easier. So that

1148
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 6: was awesome.

1149
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 7: I hit up Joe after that first Hard Knocks episode

1150
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 7: thanking him. Really appreciative of that because they said they

1151
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 7: you know, they felt like they really got to know

1152
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 7: both guys. And again, we had some of the Giants coaches,

1153
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 7: you know that coach THEO down here on the offensive

1154
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 7: side of the ball. So it does not surprise me

1155
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 7: that here we are started the NFL season and Drew

1156
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 7: Phillips as a starting nickel. He is feisty, competitive, he's

1157
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 7: got ball skills, and I think he can play outside

1158
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 7: because I think he can really run. We had a

1159
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 7: lot of fast dudes in the Senior Bowl last year

1160
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 7: and he didn't get beat vertical all week, So that

1161
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 7: does not surprise me. He was one of my favorite

1162
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Speaker 7: guys in last year's class. And then THEO, I think,

1163
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 7: you know, for a guy like they like, they made

1164
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 7: the point in the Hard Knocks I mean, where do

1165
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 7: you find guys that are six legit sixty five two

1166
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 7: sixty you know, are running, are running the way THEO runs.

1167
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 7: So again, no knock on the Penn State staff. They

1168
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 7: had a lot of weapons. He has spread the ball around,

1169
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 7: but I think THEO is probably a little underused. He

1170
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 7: did have seven touchdowns last year, so they did a

1171
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 7: great job of getting the ball in the red zone.

1172
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Speaker 6: But I think there's a lot to him.

1173
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Speaker 7: You know, when I did THEO last year, I thought

1174
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 7: he would start off as being he'd either be a

1175
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 7: really good number two and if things hit, he could

1176
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 7: be a starter. So to get that guy in the

1177
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 7: fourth round, to me, that's that's a great pick. So hopefully,

1178
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 7: hopefully with Bellinger, another senior bole guy, that he'll find

1179
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 7: a way to be a factor for you guys this.

1180
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: Year, Tony, anything else before we say goodbye.

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00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 5: That's it. Nothing from else from me, Jim.

1182
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: That was awesome, man. We really appreciate the time. Thanks

1183
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 2: so much for joining us. As always, anything else you

1184
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 2: want to tell the folks about your game, anything you

1185
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: guys are doing. I know you're trying to make this

1186
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: a you know, three hundred and sixty five day a

1187
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 2: year All Star game. Tell the folks whatever you want

1188
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: to know.

1189
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, if they don't follow the draft real closely,

1190
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 7: I will tell them the draft process becomes a lot

1191
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 7: more fun when you do pay attention to these guys

1192
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 7: during the college season, when you follow them from beginning

1193
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 7: to end and see the process and where they go.

1194
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 7: Like if you were a Florida State fan last year

1195
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 7: and wired in a Braiden Fisk and to see what

1196
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 7: his rise was to it, you know, went.

1197
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 6: Thirty ninth overall to the Rams. It's fun.

1198
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 7: So we'd love for everyone to follow us every Saturday

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Speaker 7: during the college football season.

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Speaker 6: We'll be posting videos of these guys from pregame up close.

1201
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 6: We're trying to.

1202
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 7: Trying to take the fans down on the field with us,

1203
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 7: to show body type, to show movement, athleticism.

1204
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 6: All those fun things.

1205
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 7: So hopefully they'll follow along this fall Senior Bowl dot

1206
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 7: Com and then I've got my own my own Twitter

1207
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 7: handle as well, So appreciate you guys having me on.

1208
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 7: This is always a ton of fun, guys, And I

1209
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 7: hope the Giants have a great year. We're we're we're

1210
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 7: pulling for those guys. Joe and Daves are our good friends,

1211
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Speaker 7: and I hope they have a great year.

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