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Speaker 1: Prime Cuts, the best of The Calling Coward Podcast. Great week,

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Speaker 1: NFL training camps kicking off, Mike Silver ways in good

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Speaker 1: stuff on Kyler Murray's film study clause kind of weird, right,

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Speaker 1: Niners still have doubts about Trey Lance and Jimmy ge

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Speaker 1: his future. We'll talk about it. Cowboy Insider, Matt Moseley,

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Speaker 1: Dallas Camp and Oxnard. Also Ike Taylor, big Ben's calling

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Speaker 1: out the Steelers, coddling who Tina Talk? But first my

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to watch people react on the internet to

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's contract. A bit of it has been exposed

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Speaker 1: in it the Cardinals. The Arizona Cardinals put a clause

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Speaker 1: in that said Kyler needs to spend four hours of

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Speaker 1: independent study per game away from the facility. Doesn't count.

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Speaker 1: the Internet, meaning that there was a concern that he

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Speaker 1: wasn't putting in as much prep time, so they wanted

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Speaker 1: to get it down in writing. So people are freaking

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Speaker 1: out about this, and no, it's not ideal. But when

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady was compulsively obsessively training in the off season

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Speaker 1: and Big Ben of the Steelers would legendarily known as

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Speaker 1: a guy who considered ten situps and some Budweiser and

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Speaker 1: camping with his kids is his offseason workout? Did people

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Speaker 1: freak out? Not everybody gives you Tom Brady or Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson's commitment. This is understood and not a surprise. Before

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Speaker 1: he signed his contract and right after I had said that. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I've heard things from people I trust. Leadership abilities not

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Speaker 1: great he's got a baseball mindset. Baseball players, that's really

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Speaker 1: about pitchers getting numbers, and hitters have bonuses for getting

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Speaker 1: independent numbers. When I say he's got a bit of

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Speaker 1: a baseball mindset, Kyler's always been a little in the

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Speaker 1: Kyler listen. I remember before he got drafted, he did

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Speaker 1: that weird interview. I think it was on the Dan

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, odd, not ideal. But when he gets

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Speaker 1: into games, he wins a lot of them, and he's

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Speaker 1: the one player they have that allows them to be competitive,

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Speaker 1: regardless if they're facing the Rams or the Packers or

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Speaker 1: the Patriots. For years and years and years, I heard

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Speaker 1: this about Big Ben. I heard it about Cam Newton.

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Speaker 1: They weren't great at the line of scrimmage. Quarterbacks. They

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Speaker 1: remedial audible system, basically, give me the play, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: make stuff happen. Well backyard football, all right. It worked

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Speaker 1: for Big Ben a lot of times, Josh Allen a

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Speaker 1: lot of times. Great athletes, Brett Farve was known for this.

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Speaker 1: He had lived a lot out of plays. This is

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Speaker 1: the reality. Patrick Mahomes sometimes is better out of the

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Speaker 1: pocket you do get. There are plays called, and quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: the coach does not see it as ideal. You run

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Speaker 1: So my point is not everybody quarterbacks the same way.

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Speaker 1: Not everybody's equally committed. Brady obsesses over film. Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: there's always been an understanding in the NFL the secret

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Speaker 1: He's good at film, he's not great at it. So

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Speaker 1: Not everybody's the same pre snap quarterback. Not everybody is

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Speaker 1: People confuse wealth with coddled. Yes, they're richer. As I've

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Speaker 1: wrapped up big Ben's off season. Big Ben was coddled.

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Speaker 1: The Pittsburgh media didn't hold him accountable for those off seasons.

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Speaker 1: all these things I didn't understand. But from what I'm told,

422
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: this is not like, oh, this is a really smart kid,

423
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: like he could be exceptional football smart, you know, which

424
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: is amazing, especially when you're trying to run a really

425
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: really complicated offense. You know that Kyle runs, so there's that.

426
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: There's the obvious athleticism, the arm is big, he is

427
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: seems like a great kid, and I think he you know,

428
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to have a closet his

429
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: contract saying he's gonna watch film without video games in

430
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: the background, if you know what I mean, Like, I

431
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: think he's I think he's into it now. You know,

432
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: he's getting thrown into a situation where there's a team

433
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: that almost went to the super Bowl last year. They're

434
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: built to win right now. They're constructed to take advantage

435
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: of the specific strengths of Jimmy Garoppolo, which is getting

436
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: the ball in tight space is very accurately with a

437
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: good released boom and letting debo and kittle and you

438
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: catch run. Kyle can change some of that. Can't change

439
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: personnel completely, but can change things scheme wise. He can

440
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: roll Trey Lance out, boot him. He can have him

441
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: thrown deep more. You know, there's different things they can do.

442
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: But you know it is it would be foolish and

443
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: pollyannish to sit there as a forty nine er fan

444
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: and go, well, I don't believe that there's any way

445
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: he's been inaccurate in practices or that his arms gotten fatigue.

446
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: That's not true. He's going to show you, haha. He

447
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: might show us that he's great. And I think you

448
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: know Kyle's view on it is, Yeah, I drafted him

449
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: for all this potential in pluting the intelligence. We're gonna

450
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: throw him in. We've got a good team where we

451
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: can play good defense and get the ball to our

452
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: playmakers and not put it all on him. But it's

453
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: an experiment, and you know, I'm hoping it results in

454
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: a big, big, you know, bounty. But if you if

455
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: you're a forty Niner fan and you don't think they're

456
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: legitimately concerned in that building, you are delusional. He hosts

457
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: the Doomsday podcast with Ed Werder, but we like him

458
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: at the volume, and so we pay him to come

459
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: on and talk and he is always enlightening. I'm not

460
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: going to tell you what I pay him, but there's

461
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: a reason he just got back from Italy. He's my friend.

462
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: He's my friend Matt Mosley. So the other day, you're

463
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: an Oxnard by the way, so you're in a very

464
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: nice hotel room in Oxnard, the home of some of

465
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: the best strawberries in the country. I don't know if

466
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: you know that. So the other day Jerry was kind

467
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: of freewheeling at the mic and kind of offended people.

468
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: And then McCarthy got all ticked off when people talked

469
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: about his job security. So one of the things I love.

470
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Speaker 1: When you go to camp, you could you get a

471
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: sense of sort of the vibe there. So what is

472
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: the vibe last year? Dak got hurt. I remember in

473
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: camp and it was just an uneven camp. What you know,

474
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: the way the season ended with the clock and Dak,

475
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: the expectations, dan Quinn could be a head coach elsewhere,

476
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper's gone, Gregory not a great offseason, weird draft.

477
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: What is the vibe like at camp? You know, it's

478
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: it's it's funny that you bring up what happened at

479
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: the end of that season because in the first, the

480
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: very first practice today, situational football, racing up to the

481
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, setting the ball down, giving it to

482
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: the official, like that was all what was happening. So

483
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: I think you're correct to say that all of that

484
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: stuff is coloring this camp now. If they start, if

485
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: they want to start issuing apologies for everything Jerry said

486
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: over the years, they're gonna be busy. Okay, I mean,

487
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: and what he said it's not you know, it's it's

488
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: not great. But I don't think, you know, we're all

489
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: gonna be able to move on with our lives. But

490
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: Jerry does that on a pretty normal basis. All right,

491
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: I think we're getting mixed messages already from the Cowboys.

492
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: Like early on in camp, what really stood out to

493
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: me is Jerry can't decide what happened last year. On

494
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: one hand, he wants to be celebrated for twelve wins.

495
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he really does, and he wants to say

496
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: to people, you'll want to me to fire this guy.

497
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: You'll want to me to fire a guy who had

498
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: twelve wins. Now, we've talked enough on the volume in

499
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: other places to know that a lot of that was

500
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: fool's gold. A lot of that was playing a horrible

501
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: division getting fat those numbers even I mean, worder who

502
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: I do the Doomsday podcast with. He's trying to get

503
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: me to go to some fancy restaurant tonight. I don't

504
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: have is kind of expense account, so I can't. I

505
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: can't join him with those kind of places. But he's

506
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: he's really hitting these numbers hard. You know, last year,

507
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: the amount of points they put up, the the takeaways,

508
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 1: how it all adds up. Is there any way they

509
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: can equal that? What? It really doesn't matter because last year,

510
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: even though they put up great numbers, it was a

511
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: typical Cowboys performance once they got to the playoffs. So

512
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: all that to say is Jerry is having a lot

513
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: of trouble with Colin deciding what happened last year. He

514
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: knows he left the head coach hanging out in the

515
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: wind while dan Quinn interviewed with other people, so in

516
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: some sense he turned a heat up on him. But

517
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Speaker 1: the other day, when asked Jerry, why do you think

518
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: anything will be different? Why does anything? He pointed it

519
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: at McCarthy, It said because of him. I mean, do

520
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: we think McCarthy's done something different? Did he go back

521
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: to the analytics barn? I mean I don't. I don't

522
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: know what he could have done that would give Jerry

523
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: all this, But Jerry has to be selling something at

524
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: all times. And the most honest moment for Jerry the

525
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: other day was to say that I have a curse

526
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: that I only deal with the successes. And listen, what

527
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: are your remembers or the gushers, all the old wells

528
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: he hit, all the natural gas that he's hit, and

529
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: he's always he's able to move on and forget about

530
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: those things. Jerry is like a great cornerback. He's got

531
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: the shortest memory. Ever, you know, I said this, I

532
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: said this today on TV, and I it'll take me

533
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: a little bit to unpack this that for years and years,

534
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: the NFC was better than the AFC. It was just stronger.

535
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: And then the AC teams that had either average quarterbacks

536
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: or aging quarterbacks hit on their draft picks. Buffalo Tyrod

537
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: Taylor to Josh Allen, Andy Dalton to Joe Burrow, Philip

538
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: Rivers to Justin Herbert, Alex Smith to Patrick Mahomes, Joe

539
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: Flacco to Lamar Jackson. The AFC, they hit some home

540
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: runs with quarterbacks. Now, good luck getting out of that conference.

541
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: The NFC is different. They've still got older quarterbacks Aaron

542
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: Rodgers and Tom Brady. Stafford's an older quarterback. But the

543
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: bottom of the NFC is much weaker than the bottom

544
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 1: of the AFC. The NFC East is weak. A lot

545
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: of teams don't have the quarterback, and the good ones

546
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: are getting older. And my point is there's about a

547
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: two year window here. My guess is the Giants may

548
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: get a CJ. Stroud to the bottom teams in the NFC,

549
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, the Falcons look like they're tanking. Do they

550
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: get a Bryce Young and that right now is the time, Matt.

551
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: You don't have an Allen, you don't have a Herbert

552
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: A Burrow up Mahomes. There's not this gauntlet of like

553
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: the next superstar quarterbacks, Russell Wilson, he's now over in

554
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: the AFC that we got a two year window here

555
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: for Dallas. Quarterbacks are getting old and there's a really

556
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: fairly large bottom in this conference. And I do feel

557
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: like it puts a little pressure on the Cowboys, who

558
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: have a top twelve quarterback to win now, I really do. Yeah,

559
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: that's very interesting in thinking of all those quarterbacks in

560
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: the age of the quarterbacks in the NFC. You know,

561
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: I'll tell you my trained ie today, Dak. You know

562
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: last year he got hurt, as you said, early in camp,

563
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: they've been some talk about all he's going to move

564
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: so much better, even just today in the team drills. Nimble,

565
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: extremely nimble, and so there was a lot of movement

566
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: with him. I think you make a good point. I

567
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys issue is we, like a lot of

568
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: Cowboys teams, it's all based on sort of hope Gallop.

569
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: Can he get back from rehab and be a true

570
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: number two? Can Ceedee Lamb be a true number one.

571
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: Who is the third receiver? Does this Tolbert that comes

572
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: from South Alabama. We talked to him today. Very impressive,

573
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: So I'll make some catch us today. But every think

574
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: about this the running game, it's all based on Ken Zeke.

575
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: I mean, the Cowboys are so bad about this. They

576
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: don't They don't want you to go back to like

577
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: the two twenty version of people or the twenty twenty one.

578
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: They want people to go back to like twenty and

579
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: sixteen and two thousand and seventeen. And that's one of

580
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: the things they do with Zeke. And this is an issue,

581
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: and I think I'm stumbled onto something here. When you're

582
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: leaders aren't great players, you might have some problems. Zeke,

583
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: for better or worse, is an enormous leader on this team.

584
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: He can't really get through seasons. He's not as productive

585
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: as he is. Yet he spoke today. He was the

586
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: first player up there. Guess who's attending the quarterback meetings.

587
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: Zeke is going to them. I think that's a problem,

588
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: and I think it's been a problem with the Cowboys

589
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: for a while now, but I think they want Zeke.

590
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: Zeke has emerged to his credit, Maybe it's maybe it's

591
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: an indictment of some of the other players on this team,

592
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: but other than dak Zeke is the greatest leader on

593
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: the team, and he's not that great. And I think

594
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: when your leaders aren't that good, that could be that

595
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: could be part of the issue. But I think you

596
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: give this thing once they get in pads, Colin. Depends

597
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: on how many practices and I get to see I

598
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: could really start pumping some sunshine into this team. But

599
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: through one through one practice, I'm I'm non plushed. You know.

600
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: Jerry's to me always been a little quick to give

601
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: out player contracts and a little late to get rid

602
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: of coaches. Do you think there's any chance he would

603
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: bail on McCarthy if they were four and six through ten.

604
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: He's only done it once and they quit on Wade

605
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: Phillips and so they were like one in seven and

606
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: he dumped him and Garrett kind of rallied. The interesting

607
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: part is, I don't even know if he would totally

608
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: let it get to four and six if you were

609
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: going to make a move again, this is a tricky one.

610
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: This is awkward for McCarthy because Quinn I was even

611
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: watching it today. The players, the way they respond to him.

612
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: That's a guy that surprised me. I didn't really know

613
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: that about him in Atlanta. Obviously they made it to

614
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. I remember him being a great defensive

615
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: coordinator in Seattle, so you would have more familiarity with him.

616
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: What I didn't understand about Quinn is the impact he

617
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: would have on the players and this defense. It's kind

618
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: of like going back to those Wade Phillips days. They

619
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: don't they don't report to McCarthy. I mean, McCarthy's just

620
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: kind of like a figure hit, like he sits up

621
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: there and does the news conferences, but Quinn kind of

622
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: runs everything. So I do think if there was gonna

623
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: be a change made, it would be to save the season.

624
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: And I don't know if four and six, if you

625
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: totally saved the season, the only change that would be

626
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 1: made is like a two and four, and then there

627
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: might be some thought with it, maybe, but I don't.

628
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: Jerry hates doing it. He hates and Jerry still talks

629
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: about how much he regrets firing Chan Gaily. That was

630
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine and Chan Gailey went to the playoffs

631
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: and back to back years, and after one of those trips,

632
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: I think it was a ten and sixth season. He

633
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Speaker 1: fired Gaily. Jerry will tell you it's one of his

634
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: biggest regrets. Now we watched Gaily's career. I don't think

635
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: Jerry should have like enormous regrets. But anyway, Jerry is

636
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: a trip. Because you know him and I've known him

637
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: for years. Everybody kind of thinks all this embarrassing news

638
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: off the off season, like would trip him up or

639
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: make him embarrassed. He's like he's like supercharged by that stuff,

640
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: like it doesn't bother him, Like he literally somehow he

641
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: feeds off of it. So he truly is one of

642
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: those weird people joke about like any publicity's good publicity.

643
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: He's a he really actually believes it. And some of

644
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: that stuff out there about him is just downright embarrassing.

645
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: But you saw him the other day and he just

646
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: doesn't he doesn't care. I mean, he's he is that.

647
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: Tom Wolfe wrote a book years ago that I liked

648
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: m and it wasn't one of his most well known book,

649
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: but it was called A Man in Fool and it

650
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: was a It was a huge business guy late in

651
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 1: his life, and he was actually a huge college football

652
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: They played at george This character had played at Georgia Tech,

653
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: and that describes Jerry, who played college football at Arkansas.

654
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: He is a man in fool and there is no

655
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: way to dampen his spirits. And so he's about turn eighty.

656
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: So there's always some sense of urgency. But I do

657
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: think there's a little more right now because of this.

658
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: I think he's I think this turning eighty is playing

659
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: a trick on him a little bit. Well, as you said,

660
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: he's the eternal optimist. I think I think most great

661
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: business people that I've met. It could be Dana White,

662
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: it could be Steve Jobs, who I didn't know, but

663
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: I've read books about Walter Isaacson's book. I think it

664
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: was they have short memories, like you can't obsess over losses.

665
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: Years ago I covered a college football coach. It was Oregon,

666
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: Mike Bellotti, and they had a really good team, the

667
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: Joey Harrington team, and they lost a wild shootout to Stanford,

668
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: and they were the best team in the Pac twelve

669
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: that year. And Ballotti had one of the great quotes ever.

670
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: He said, listen, we can't let stand for beat us twice.

671
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: And they came out and they won the rest of

672
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: their games. And I've used that in through the years

673
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: on my show, in any business I've been in, is

674
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: that you just got to get over stuff fast. And

675
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: I think, by the way Jerry does, I think Dak does.

676
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: You know Jerry's a unique figure. You think he's I

677
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: watched the movie the other night. It's one of my

678
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: favorite movies, one of my favorite western's ever. It's called

679
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: Hell or High Water with Jeff Bridges. He's brilliant, and

680
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: I thought of Jerry Jones watching it. Just the language

681
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: of West Texas, and you know, there's this cop. These

682
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: cops are chasing these brother bank robbers, and you know

683
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: there's this sort of feeling about West Texas or Texas people.

684
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: You say what you think, you get it off your chest,

685
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: and whether it offends or not, people get over it

686
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: really quickly. And that's the one thing I'll say about Jerry.

687
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: He doesn't appear to hold grudges with the media. I mean,

688
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: do you ever feel he's held grudges with you or

689
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: ed when you've been opinionated. He's been very angry at

690
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: both of us, but he gets fasted. He gets fasted quickly,

691
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: and he kind of lets the pr people hold long grudges.

692
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: It's funny. Jerry's the face of the Cowboys and Dak

693
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: is second. And there is this stat that you can't

694
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: get past. Is that since twenty eighteen without Amari, Dak

695
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: is three and six with an eighty six passer rating.

696
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: Is that he became very comfortable in crisis or third

697
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: down going to Amari Cooper. Now, I do think Ceedee

698
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: Lamb is a number one receiver, but they also lost

699
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson, a very viable, dynamic number three receiver. And

700
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: you know Amari Cooper is one of those players who's

701
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: a one, but he's not Stefan Diggs. He doesn't have

702
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins sort of dynamic, sort of vertical field playmaking feel.

703
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: I can't you. It's hard to deny two numbers when

704
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith doesn't start and a MARII Cooper doesn't play

705
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: both or one of those Dak is not the same quarterback.

706
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: Is that coincidental? Um? Is it something you think he'll overcome?

707
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the numbers are right in front of you.

708
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: He has a one or three passer rating with a

709
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: mari and an eighty six without him. That's a that's

710
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: a real that's real data there, that's not that's a

711
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: wide gap. Yeah, and I think I think last year

712
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: Dak was a right physically. And to your point about

713
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: a Mari, I mean, I think it's a great point,

714
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: and the numbers are you know in your face about that.

715
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: But a Mari was sent passing from here or traded

716
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: for basically nothing. First of all, he was so expensive.

717
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: Second of all, and maybe more important than any of that,

718
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: he missed games because of COVID. Jerry's funny. Jerry's not

719
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: wired to be one of these people out scolding people

720
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: for not getting vaccinations. That's not how he's wired at all.

721
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: But when one of his players misses time and he

722
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: did not get vaccinated, and Jerry perceives, much like Michael

723
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: Irvin talked about even before last season, Jerry perceives that

724
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: he didn't do everything he could to help the team,

725
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: then that's a huge indictment of Amari Cooper. And so

726
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: he's gone because, as Jerry said yesterday, availability is such

727
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: a huge thing, and that's why he's gone, and that's

728
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: why Lyle Collins is gone. That's right. And by the way,

729
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, who I love but could be kind of

730
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: enigmatic personally. Is that why he's gone. Yes, he missed

731
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: a lot of time. He had seemingly overcome that. Yeah,

732
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: look at look at who's on the pup list, and

733
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 1: that's that. As they reported to the the NFL camps, he's

734
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: on the he starts the season on the pup list.

735
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory does so. I think Jerry may even look

736
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: over there and filled some vindication. The embarrassment for the

737
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: Cowboys with Grandy Gregory was they got beat out by

738
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: a team that was willing to do something with the clause,

739
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys had only done this for Dak and

740
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: it was basically a good actor type clause or you know,

741
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: want something like that, and and Denver basically said, well,

742
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: we don't have to put that clause in. We're good.

743
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: We're good guaranteeing you all this money. And he left

744
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at the last moment. Twelve year cornerback in

745
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: the NFL and a damn good one, a two time

746
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champ. Now he's doing some work for the Steelers.

747
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: He's at camp in Latrobe. So how long would it

748
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: take you to know as a dB Kenny Pickett Trubisky,

749
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: what would be the tells how long would you know?

750
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: And could you go to the staff and say, hey, listen, man,

751
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: this kid's release is faster? Is it quick? Do you

752
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: know instantly? Is it a series of throws? Is it

753
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: a dozen practices? It's that playbook? You know, it's it's

754
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: that playbook and just letting it go because it's it's

755
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: a lot of guys in the league were okay arms.

756
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: They just know what everybody's supposed to be because they

757
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: understand the coverage and what beats the courage and they

758
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: just let that thing fly. So that's you can have

759
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: a quick release and still hold it because you're really

760
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: hesitated because you ain't trusting your reads on the coverage.

761
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: And you can have a guy who has an okay

762
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: arm and knows everything about the courage and knows everything

763
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: about the playbook and release that thing a second fast.

764
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,479
Speaker 1: So between these two, and it's the first training camp

765
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 1: between the two, so I'm just looking at the release

766
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: and not even the release. How fast can you diagnose?

767
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: With defense? We're in one two who commands the huddle

768
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,959
Speaker 1: the best? You know? But when I'm looking at Mitch

769
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: and Mason and Kenny Man, all of them got love

770
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: for each other. To all of them, all of them,

771
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: them men the same situation college. We all we all

772
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: trying to we all trying to show this presentation, not

773
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: only to the coaches, stuff to each other and my

774
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: teammates on who should be number one. But it's all

775
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: love from that quarterback situation. So that's a good thing

776
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: to see. Listen, Big Band's gonna make the Hall of

777
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: Fame two super Bowls. But I agreed with Cam Hayward.

778
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: I bristled when he talked about coddled, and I've talked

779
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: about this a lot in the last week. Don't confuse

780
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: rich or wealthy with coddled. Athletes are richer today. I've

781
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,959
Speaker 1: never seen guys put more money into their bodies, eat better,

782
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: compete harder, play, hurt more often. I don't think athletes

783
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: at all. In fact, I think most athletes know. They're

784
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: grateful as hell. They know this money train ends. I

785
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: almost never watch a football game in America. Maybe other

786
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: sports are different, and think he's dogging it. I think

787
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: football players from high school on are used to hard coaching.

788
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes basketball players aren't. So what I found ironic was

789
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to pick on Ben, but Ben

790
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: was pretty well known. His off seasons weren't Brady's. They

791
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: weren't Russell Wilson, right, they weren't Breeze. And my takeaway

792
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: is the truth is the fans didn't call him out,

793
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: the media didn't call him out. Mike Tomlin didn't really

794
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: call him out. My takeaway is Ben at times became

795
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: a superstar in a small market. Could I argue he

796
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: was a little coddled sometimes All quarterbacks at the level

797
00:50:54,360 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: of college, how many years been played? Eighteen? It's hard

798
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: to play at this level for eighteen, you know what

799
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's hard to have a regular job

800
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: for eighteen, let along professional job for eighteen. But those

801
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: guys in that situation, you gotta understand, they gotta be

802
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: wired a little bit different. You know, whether it's all

803
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: season like some guys like you, say, Tom Brady off season, man,

804
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: he want to make sure he'd take care of his

805
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: body and make sure he's eating as healthy as he can.

806
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: He got the avocado ice cream. He's doing everything right.

807
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: Seven they didn't have to have to worry about that.

808
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: Tom Brady would never be seven or seven would never

809
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: be a Tom Brady. So they're wired a little bit different.

810
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: You know, for forbidding this off season, you want to

811
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: chill with his family, drink a few rules and kick

812
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: kicked back and go camping and play goal. That's just

813
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: how he was. White. Now later on in his years,

814
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: they're probably caught up to him because seven couldn't be

815
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: the seven or mode which once scramble made plays and

816
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: extended plays. But the man played for eighteen years. You

817
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: might even like how he played it eighteen years, but

818
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: he still played at a high level for a long

819
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: time for eighteen years. Um. You know, I said, Mike

820
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: Tomlin is like a grown up um, but he's also

821
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: a former player, and I always feel like he's pro player.

822
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: He'll give players a little leeway. I feel the same

823
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 1: way with Pete Carroll. As you know, some pro athletes

824
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: take advantage of that. I think there's times that Pete

825
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: Carroll's been taken advantage of. I think there's been some

826
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: instances where Mike's been taken advantage of. You know, Antonio Brown,

827
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 1: I think to me, was I think when when Ben

828
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: lashed out, he was he lashing out if he had

829
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: taken Antonio Brout out of the Steelers all time. Maybe

830
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: that comment doesn't come out like when when Ben said that,

831
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: do you think it was directed at anybody in particular?

832
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean he mentioned his college coach in kau or

833
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: he didn't mention Tomlin. Do you think Ben was frustrated

834
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 1: with how Tomlin sort of let Ab do his thing?

835
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the pot can't call the cut on Black.

836
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean seven, you did Joe things. You

837
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: had it. You had a long leash as well too.

838
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: You know Ab had a long leash as well too,

839
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: And I think you really don't. I think us athletes

840
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: it hurts when we know it's coming to an end.

841
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: We just get mad at the world. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, damn about to retire in my thirties.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been the man since I was seven

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Speaker 1: years old. I've been having a red carpet treatment since

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Speaker 1: i was seven. Now y'all bought to just sweep that

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Speaker 1: all from under me. I can never get this moment.

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Speaker 1: I can never get this high. And what I mean

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Speaker 1: by high is seeing and hearing the crowd six D

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Speaker 1: eight thousand sharing your name. I can never get on

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Speaker 1: this stage again. So for a lot of athletes, it

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Speaker 1: becomes frustrating. They become mad. It's anxiety. They don't know

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Speaker 1: what to do with it. Now. You just got to

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Speaker 1: face reality. And some face reality longer than others. Me

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Speaker 1: are faster than others, and some just never can get it,

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Speaker 1: like me, Ryan Clark and Troy Park with me and

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Speaker 1: Ryan Clark always talk about Troy Paulamala, he was Michael

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Speaker 1: Jackson and we was to Jackson five. So we understood

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Speaker 1: as soon as we were retired, like man, reality been.

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Speaker 1: It's been sat in with us because we acknowledge how

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Speaker 1: special Troy was and how good of a person in

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Speaker 1: the player he was. When we're tut man, it was

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Speaker 1: just like, okay, what's our next move? It was never

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Speaker 1: reaching for the red carpet. It was never reaching for

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Speaker 1: the spotlight. A lot of guys can't adjust to that college,

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Speaker 1: you know, so seven in that in that standpoint for me,

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Speaker 1: seven Howard said, you can't the plot can't call the

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