WEBVTT - MOM LINDSAY CLANCY GOOGLES “WAYS TO KILL” 3 TOTS DEAD W/ EXERCISE BANDS 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:06.920 A loving mom. Lindsey Clancy googles ways to kill, then 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:12.200 murders her three thoughts dead in the basement with her 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:20.680 own exercise bands. Tonight, she claims, I was crazy good evening. 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.360 I Nancy Grace, this is crime stories. I want to 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:25.200 thank you for being with us. 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.160 She knew, she knew right for wrong. 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:38.159 What appears to be perfectly seen obviously was not. 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:41.919 This woman. Whatever happened, whether it was. 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.800 Planned in her mind, committed one of the most heenous 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:46.400 acts I have ever heard. 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.600 On Summer's Street was full of the police. 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.520 Phil Hardy off the top Florida house and place earth 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:55.640 as well, and. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.240 Neck injuries and Nick collaboration. She's conscious at this time. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:00.400 We're gonna check with the place. 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:02.120 Who's over twenty foot fall. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:06.520 It's unknown where the knife is or whatever she used 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:12.360 to splitter. She's in the looks like the opinion are 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:16.200 on the back. We'll get that she. 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.400 Did use the knife at first. Unknown where that is 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:25.280 at this time. I'm on the way. We're with the 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:34.120 county arrest as the two pediatrics arrests. We got to 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.080 mutulate on the way. 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.160 You are hearing the nine to one one calls at 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:44.120 least part of them because the initial nine one one 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:48.680 is from the father, the dad of those children. The 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:53.000 judge has ordered that that not be released. While we 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.720 are not bound by that judge's ruling, we are adhering 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.880 to it in the interest of justice. Instead, you are 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:05.680 hearing back and forth between law enforcement. Is that the 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:12.000 missing piece of the puzzle. Mom slits her own wrists 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:18.560 and jumps out a window after killing all three of 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:23.280 her children, the youngest just eight months old. We have 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:30.840 seen child murders by mommy many many times before. Is 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:37.600 this the fact that sets her Lindsey Clancy apart from 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:41.280 other moms? Well, do I have to say taught mom 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:46.200 Casey Anthony Instead of any remorse, she was in every 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:50.320 bar in town on stripper poles. Okay, so that's not 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:56.160 really a good comparison. What about Angia Yates. Angrea Yates 0:02:56.240 --> 0:03:01.520 murdered all of her children similar to this case. She 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:06.000 waits until her husband Rusty is gone, locks the doors 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:10.480 and methodically kills each child, and they fought to live. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:14.120 Their bodies were bruised from fighting to get out from 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:18.520 under the water where she held them under. Andrea Yates 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:24.920 claimed postpartum psychosis and she was deemed to be psychotic 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.000 at the time of the murders, and she is in 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:31.440 a mental facility today years later. But then you've got 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:36.520 Deanna Laney, also known as rock Mom, who bludgeoned her 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:41.240 children dead with a rock, leaving one of them, as 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:46.480 I recall, with permanent brain damage. She claimed psychosis. After 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:52.160 eight short years she has walked free. Different scenarios, same 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.280 underlining theory, joining me in All Star Powel. But first, 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.280 let's take a listen to those nine on one calls 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:01.760 again again to the control room do not play dad. 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:07.120 On Summer's Street was full the police stille party across 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.960 the top floor of the house players as well, and 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:12.320 neck injuries and the neck collaborations. 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:13.600 She's conscious at this time. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:15.720 We're gonna check with my plate who was over at 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:16.479 twenty foot fall. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.839 It's unknown where the knight is or whatever she used 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:25.599 to slay her. She's in the looks like their opinion 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.560 are on the back. Well, uh get that she. 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:31.760 Did use a knife at first. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:38.480 Unknown where that is at this time. I love I'm 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:46.720 on the way where with the county arrest as the 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.040 two pediatrics arrests were got to mutilate on the way 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:51.800 mutualate at this time. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.160 Before I head out to our all star panel, including 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.200 Christina Rex, out of this jurisdiction. He was being in 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.560 the court room since the beginning and was at the 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.360 crime scene the night of the murders of the three children. 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.080 Before I go to Christina Rex and the rest of 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:11.400 our panel, I want you to hear what Clancy's defense 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:12.400 attorney has to say. 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:18.440 She's extremely emotional. However, she's unable and has been unable 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:26.880 to express any happiness or sadness or cry. And in fact, 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:32.760 sometime about a month or two ago, she made the comment, 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:36.680 I just wish that I could feel something now. Our 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:45.080 society fails miserably in treating women with post partum depression 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.320 or even post partum psychosis. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:50.920 From our friends at court chop, let me see a 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:56.560 picture of the three children. We are seemingly focusing on 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:02.800 the mom Lindsay Clancy, not on the three murder victims 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.840 who could not fight back. They were strangled dead with 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:12.360 mommy's exercise bands. After she googled ways to kill After 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:19.600 she googled can you treat a sociopath? After writing in 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:26.440 her journal that she resented her older two children, she 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:32.120 sends the dad out for takeout food and to the pharmacy, 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.560 waits for him to leave, and murders her children. And 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:43.760 let me remind everyone, Lindsey Clancy is presumed innocent. Joining 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:48.800 me Christina Rex, reporter WBZTV in the courtroom from the 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.360 get go and on the crime scene that night, I 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:56.760 hear the defense lawyer saying she's been crying. Oh, okay, 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:02.440 I guess so she should crying. Some juncture she says 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.800 she's crying. Sometimes she says she's not crying. I don't 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:11.040 care if she's crying. They're dead. First, before we get 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.920 to what's happening in the courtroom, there's gonna be hand 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.080 to hand mutual combat over this case, because the prosecutor 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:21.120 is digging in that mommy made a plan, The defense 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:25.120 is digging in. This is not just postpartum depression, is 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.680 postpartum psychosis. But I want to go to the night 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.160 of the crime itself. Christina Rex, what did you observe 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:32.000 at the scene? 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.640 Yeah, so this is top three worst crime scenes I've 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.360 ever been to. You know, as a reporter, we're behind 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.120 the crime scene tape, so luckily I'm not. I didn't 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.840 see the groupsome details, but I've never seen police officers 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.960 weeping at a crime scene the way I did that night. 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.080 When we had gotten there, it was, you know, a 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:52.880 breaking news. We just heard it over the scanner. We 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:54.360 didn't know what was going on. We just could tell 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.360 it was something bad. But when I got to the 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.720 crime scene and I saw police officers leaving the house 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:03.200 in tears, we knew it was really, really a bad situation. 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.480 And said that Christina Rex is my understanding that it 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:12.320 was so bad that the seasoned officers had to get counseling. 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:18.080 Yeah, it's not unusual in Massachusetts after a traumatic event, 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.840 often ones involving children for the police stations to offer counseling. 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:26.000 But in this case, we know officers took the station 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.120 up on that, it took the department up on that, 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.440 and really did need that support because it was how 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:32.800 traumatic this crime scene was. 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.960 The children were all found herded into the basement and dead, 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:41.920 strangled with mommy's exercise bands. You get there on the scene, again, 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:45.080 what did you actually observe. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.800 Police officers in and out of the house bringing out 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.640 evidence bags, which is pretty standard to see police officers crying, 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.559 And I remember the district attorney showed up on the 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:02.439 scene and held a press conference after ten pm, which 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.880 I know that doesn't seem odd maybe to the general public, 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:10.320 but for the district attorney, the head of the department 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.199 for that entire county, to show up on scene to 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.320 speak to the media that late at night, you knew 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:17.840 this was something really serious. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.920 Were you there when the children's bodies were wheeled out? 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:28.240 Yes, but in Massachusetts the often the medical examiner will 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:32.480 bring a van and block the view of any members 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.120 of the public or cameras as they bring the bodies out, 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:36.360 so I didn't actually see them. 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:41.400 I want to go to that night. Christina Rex joining 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:47.760 us out of wb Z TV. Was mommy taken into 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.679 custody that night. 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:55.640 Yes, but it's complicated, so she had injuries of her own, 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.720 so she was taken to a hospital. She was actually 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.720 taken to the local hospital near Duxbury where they lived, 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.480 and then brought to Boston because of the seriousness of 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:08.599 her injuries you can see in the pictures here. So 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.199 she was in custody in the sense that she was 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:17.200 technically arrested and had police guards outside of her hospital 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.680 room and at her hospital bed, and she wasn't allowed visitors. 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.960 But you know, not taken into custody in the sense 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:24.920 of going to jail the way we would think of 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:26.800 it traditionally, because she was so hurt. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:31.720 Joining me is a renowned medical examiner, the chief medical 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:35.440 examiner in Terren County, that's Fort Worth, Texas. He's an 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.360 esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.480 He's a star of a hit podcast, Make Him in 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:49.280 the Morgue, and he has performed well over ten thousand autopsies. 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:54.160 Not only that, he has a husband and a father. 0:10:55.840 --> 0:11:00.840 Doctor Kendall Crowns, We've got two divergent views of what happened. 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.120 I don't know the truth of it. Was she in 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:11.679 postpartum psychosis not depression psychosis? Were you actually do not 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:16.079 understand what you're doing? In this case, she heard a 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:21.640 quote unknown mal voice ordering her to kill the children. 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:27.920 She states that she said, go to God baby when 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.160 she killed her children. So I've got the injuries to 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:35.720 the three children, what happened to their bodies, And I've 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.520 got mommy trying to slit her wrists and jumping out 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:43.480 of a window and apparently paralyzing herself. Let's start with 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:47.400 the children. Doctor Kendall Crown's strangulation. With the use of 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.760 exercise bands, what would the bodies reveal? Would I be 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.040 able to tell if they fought back like I know 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.440 they did in the injury of Yates case because their 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:57.760 bodies were covered in bruises. 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:06.120 So sized bands are these kind of rubbery stilicone or 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.199 latex bands. They have a fair amount of stretch to them. 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:13.200 Each child has them tied around their necks quite tightly, 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.280 So as far as findings would be, you would it's 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.439 a ligature strangulation, so it would leave an impression around 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:24.319 the neck that she could find at autopsy. Due to 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:28.079 the young nature of the children, their throat structures, hyoid bone, 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:32.439 thyroid cartilage wouldn't fracture because they aren't bony yet. You 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.679 might see some neck muscular hemorrhages. As far as them 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.719 fighting back, the infant, of course, probably wouldn't do much 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.760 of anything. The slightly older children. The oldest child could 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.520 kind of grab at the ligature trying to pull it off, 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.439 which would leave fingernail marks on the neck as she 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:54.920 was trying to remove the ligature from about her neck. 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.000 If she fought back against her mom, she might have 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.160 scratched at her mom, but it wouldn't show many injuries 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.520 to her hands. Children don't have a lot of strength, 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.640 so you don't usually see a lot of offensive injuries 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.080 on them, meaning like punching or something like that. Typically, 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:11.719 what you're going to find in a case like this 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.400 is them trying to get that ligature off their neck 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.880 and seeing scratches around their neck. 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:21.000 Dodger Kndall crowns. If the children have been dosed with 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.599 let's just say benadryl as an example, how would we 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.360 tell that, because if they didn't try to fight back, 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:28.640 were they dosed. 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.680 So commonly in these type of cases, the mother does 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.880 poison them or gives them a drug to put them 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:40.440 in a sedative sedative state so they aren't moving around 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.959 and they aren't fighting back, and also the parent doesn't 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.439 have to deal with them crying as well, which is 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.520 going to be very difficult. Benadryl is a typical one 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.400 that is used because it'll put a child into a sleepy, 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.480 trans like state, so they can be easily killed. One 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:56.920 of the things we're going to look for in this 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:01.400 situation is benadryl in the stomach, which leaves kind of 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.880 a pink residue in the stomach contents itself, depending on 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.480 how much benadryl was used, and then we'll also look 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:12.840 at it in tuxologic testing, looking for specifically diphen hydramine, 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:17.000 which is the non trade name of benadryl. 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:21.720 Dodger Kimmel Crown's I want to move to the mom, 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:28.880 Lindsey Clancy. I feel that there is enough evidence to 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.720 show she knew what she was doing. She had the 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.640 wherewithal to lie to her husband saying she was too 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.800 exhausted to cook dinner and could he bring home takeout, 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.240 and to the pharmacy to make sure he would be 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:45.360 gone long enough, long enough time to herd the children, 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:50.680 get them down to the basement to retrieve the exercise bands. However, 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:56.640 have you seen the list of meds she was on. 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:04.040 It's called poly pharm I don't know what doctors were 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.600 giving her all these meds, but take all these meds 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.120 and this alone would make you out of your mind. 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.440 Listen to this. I'm going to give you the street names, 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:18.920 the Latin names. The clinical names are unpronounceable to us 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:29.120 regular people. Ambion which is zulpinum, klonopin, valium which is diazepam, prozac, lamic, 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:39.080 till adavan, remern, sarah quill, trazodone. I mean, I believe 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:43.440 she was on either eleven to thirteen prescriptions, and the 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.800 each one is heavy duty. I'm not talking about a 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:54.480 baby aspen doctor, serious serious medication, sleep pills, long acting 0:15:54.640 --> 0:16:02.240 anxiety pills, Sleep and anxiety. That's valium, antidepressant, mood stabilizers, 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:07.840 another anxiety and sleep, another sleep an antipsychotic, another sleep. 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:15.040 This woman had checked herself into voluntarily into clinics before 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:20.880 the murders. What are these meds, doctor Kendall Crowns. 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:27.160 So the medications you're describing are mixture of anti anxiety, 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:32.359 antidepressants and as you said, sleep aids. She's obviously struggling 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:36.360 with us ongoing anxiety depression, and this can all be 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.760 brought on by pregnancy. It's a known clinical diagnosis. I'm 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.320 not a psychiatrist, so I couldn't tell you exactly how 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:48.000 it all works and what medications are best. But obviously 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.640 she was going through something to be on that many 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:56.520 anti anxiety, antidepressive medications. So does it play a factor? 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.920 I couldn't tell you, but again it is something to consider. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.880 At approximately six to eleven last night, the Duxbury Police 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.159 received a nine to eleven call for a report of 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.919 a suspected attempted suicide of a female resident who had 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.160 jumped from a window at the home at forty seven 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:17.320 Summer Street. Upon arrival, Duxbury Police and Fire located the 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.760 woman and she was treated on scene and transported to 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.720 a local hospital for treatment, where she remains at this time. 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.160 She's been identified as Lindsay Clancy, aged thirty two. First 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:32.320 Responders subsequently located three children in the homes under the 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:36.439 age of five, unconscious with obvious signs of severe trauma. 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.360 A five year old girl and a three year old 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:44.199 boy were transported to Beth Israel deacon His Hospital in Plymouth, 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:49.440 where they were pronounced deceased. They'd been identified as Cora 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:54.800 Clancy and Dawson Clancy. A seven month old infant boy 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.080 was med flighted to Boston Children's Hospital, where he remains 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.399 for treatment as we speak. Preliminarily it appears the children 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:01.960 were strangled. 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.399 How did they know that doctor Kendel Crowns, that was 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.680 Timothy Cruz from Plymouth County, the district attorney at that time. 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.080 How could they look at the bodies. That's where our 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:16.240 friends at WNU are and know the children. The babies 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:17.639 were strangled. 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.159 So I believe when they are all found, they have 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:25.880 the exercise bands tied about their necks, so right there 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.959 you're going to know they're strangled. If the exercise bands 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:32.000 are not there, you're going to have a ligature impression 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.480 left around the neck from the band itself, which is 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:38.480 this kind of gray red to tan impression that matches 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:42.159 the exercise band. The other thing is is because it's 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:46.280 going to clip off the internal jugular and the carotid artery, 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.879 you're going to get particular hemorrhages, so you'll have multiple 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:55.040 little particular pinpoint hemorrhages about the face, in the inner eyelids, 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.560 and on the micosa in the mouth. All those findings 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.760 externally point to strangulation. 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.600 As a result of information gathered during the course of 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.879 the investigation, we developed problem cause and today are seeking 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.760 and obtaining an arrest warrant on a Plymouth District Court 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.440 charging thirty two year old Lindsay Clancy, the mother of 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:20.520 these children with their homicides. Lindsay Clancy, as a state 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.600 is being treated at Boston Hospital as soon as able. 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:25.800 We will be arraigning her and the two childes of 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:27.080 murders and the deaths of forate children. 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:31.640 The baby Callen was being treated he died again. That's 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:35.280 Timothy Cruz, the then Plymouth County District Attorney from our 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:40.000 friends at wmur. Doctor Kendall Crowns, let me remind you 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.600 is a chief medical examiner in Tyrrett County. That's fort Worth, 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:50.760 doctor Kendall Crowns. If they had lived, would they have 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.000 been brain damaged permanently? 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.520 It is a possibility because of the fact that it 0:19:57.680 --> 0:19:59.800 only takes a matter of minutes, about three to four 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:04.320 it's for you to have enough lack of oxygen to 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:07.560 the brain to cause permanent brain damage. So even if 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:11.840 they had survived, there would have been long term implications 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:15.400 or sequella from the lack of oxygen getting through their brain. 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:19.440 They potentially would have been in a persistent vegetative state 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:21.040 for their entire lives. 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.680 Okay, hold on, I knew it was only a matter 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.480 of time, doctor kendl Crown's. You're hitting me with Latin 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:28.720 doctor Phrasers. What is sequilla? 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:34.560 That is the consequences of having the lack of oxygen 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:39.119 to your brain prinkma or your brain. Your brain starts dying. 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:44.159 So the sequela of brain death means you might be paralyzed, 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:46.679 you might be unable to breathe for yourself. You might 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.000 have to be on all sorts of machines to keep 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:52.760 you alive, which would be the vegetative state that they 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.760 potentially could have been from the brain damage caused from 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:57.359 the lack of oxygen to their brain. 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:02.000 Doctor Kendl Crowns, how do you do it? How do 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:09.880 you stay so calm and clinical? I was thinking about 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:13.480 you explaining sequela. It sounds like the Latin derivative of sequence, 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:19.119 the sequence of events following the strangulations with Mimmy's exercise bands. 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.199 The sequence of events would be that they are forever 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:25.560 in a persistent, as you say, vegetative state. In other words, 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:29.439 like a coma. They can't move, they can't talk, they 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.240 can't play, they can't speak. They're just lying there on 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:39.680 life support until they die. The sequella, the sequence of 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:48.320 events vegetative, vegetable, that's what happened to them. How do you, 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:53.200 doctor Kimmel crimes, especially in light of the fact you're 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:58.440 a dad, How do you not talk talk about this case? 0:21:58.480 --> 0:21:59.919 And think about your own children. 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:07.400 So any pediatric case, well really, any case is upsetting. 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:11.560 It's sad when someone dies, especially with children. Children really 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:15.159 can't defend themselves. Children are innocent and they had a 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:18.960 long life to live. It's upsetting. It's upsetting to me. 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:23.000 I mean, like you said, I have kids, but I 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:26.680 separate myself from the fact that they are not my children. 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:28.800 And I have a job to do and if I 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:32.560 do not, if I get too emotional, I get wrapped 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:35.639 up in the emotion of the death of this child, 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:38.280 I cannot perform my duties. I have a job to 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:41.280 do to determine the cause and manner of death, no 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:44.639 matter how upsetting it is. That's what I'm there to do, 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:47.159 is to determine their cause and manner of death. And 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.760 I would be doing a disservice to the decendent or 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:53.840 the dead person and the family, the living family if 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:56.120 I don't do my job correctly. So I can't sit 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:59.680 there and be upset about this horrible tragedy. That is 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:02.520 a because I have a job to do and that's 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:03.480 what I do every day. 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:07.800 Doctor Kendall Crowns, I want to talk about the mother 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:12.040 and then I'm going to go to doctor Catherine Bendorf. 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:17.240 She is a psychiatrist, postpartum expert, co founder and CEO 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:21.880 of the medical director at the Motherhood Center in New York. 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:23.760 You know what, hold on, because I want to come 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:28.040 back to you about the physical nature of her injuries, 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:31.879 doctor Kendall Crowns. And I would like to state that 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:39.480 I can't think of anyone I would trust more performing 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:45.159 an autopsy than doctor Kendall Crowns because of his, of 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:51.280 course experience and education, but his steadiness. And as a 0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:53.480 former prosecutor. What am I going to do with a 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:55.399 doctor that gets on the stand and cracks up and 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:59.920 starts crying or gets upset. I mean, okay, I'm already upset. 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:03.600 I don't need my medical examiner to be upset. Doctor 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:10.000 Catherine Bendorf, you just must be like a limp dishrag 0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:14.560 because you deal with this every day. Oh my goodness, 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:16.480 I've got so much to say about you. I'll try 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:18.560 to see it quickly so you can get to the case. Okay, 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:24.200 hold on. Founding Member Payne Whitney Women's Program at will 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:28.480 Cornell Medicine. That's the New York Presbyterian Hospital. That's not shabby. 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:31.639 Doctor not shabby, author of What No One Tells You, 0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:35.160 A Guide to Your Emotions From Pregnancy to Motherhood. All 0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:37.119 I had was what to expect when You're expecting it, 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:39.479 and I was too tired to read it. I never 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:41.720 heard about this What No One Tells You, A Guide 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:46.080 to your Emotions from Pregnancy to Motherhood, and the Nine 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:49.359 Rooms of Happiness, Loving your life, finding your purpose, getting 0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:53.080 over life's little imperfections. Doctor Bendorf, I could go on, 0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:56.000 but I want to get to the case in chief. 0:24:56.480 --> 0:25:01.720 You heard all of those pills and meds she was 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:06.399 on once, I believe for schizophrenia, how can one person 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.080 take all those meds and even function. 0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:11.360 Well. 0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:19.119 For individuals with postpartum psychosis, they have to try different 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:23.439 medications to see what works, and they are often tried 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:27.280 at different times, not all at the same time. So 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:35.720 for individuals suffering from illnesses like this, bipolar disorder, psychotic disorders, depression, anxiety, 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:40.439 we generally try things. These are trial and air psychopharmacology, 0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:46.280 as you said, for polypharmacy, you know might be seen 0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:51.320 because there are multiple different medications being tried at different times. 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:54.000 Sometimes there's a cross taper when you're putting one on 0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:57.000 and taking one off. So you know, I don't have 0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.919 an understanding of how these meds and what sequence they 0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:05.720 were used, but for someone with postpartum psychosis, they are medication. 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:10.280 They sound like medications that are legitimately used for such 0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:10.960 an illness. 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.480 What do you make of her being on this potpourri 0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:16.680 of serious, serious drugs. 0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:24.720 Again, for individuals with postpartum psychosis, I would say typically 0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:30.440 one is on three medications at minimum, right, a mood stabilizer, 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:35.040 an antipsychotic, and probably an anti anxiety medication. That's a 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:40.600 typical group of medications to treat. To really get a 0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:45.480 hold of this severe, serious, life threatening illness that is 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:49.720 a psychiatric or medical emergency, you need to use the 0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:53.840