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Speaker 2: Hey It's unpaid bill check out singer songwriter Linda Perry.
Speaker 2: She talks about her musical beginnings with four non blonds
Speaker 2: and how she creates chart topping hits for stars like
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Speaker 7: Can I just say it once? No?
Speaker 1: No, no, do over? We haven't sound like, well I
Speaker 1: already beat you to it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I told you not to do that.
Speaker 7: I said yesterday, you can't.
Speaker 1: Can't. You can't establish rules to roll call.
Speaker 4: We do it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do it all like you're you. You should
Speaker 1: know already. We've been at this for two years.
Speaker 7: And then when I told you I asked you not
Speaker 7: to do it, he was like, oh, that's easy anyway.
Speaker 1: No, not at all. I'm just saying that you have
Speaker 1: the hardest because you're in your last second to the
Speaker 1: guest of the show, so you have to figure out Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always write like.
Speaker 7: Three, Yeah, let's us learn. Sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, it's cool.
Speaker 8: I think I had the toughest position.
Speaker 9: You guys heard, Yeah, I like, I walked, I talked
Speaker 9: over you, I made my amends to it, and you're.
Speaker 1: A what's the difference? I want again? So now you're
Speaker 1: feeling yourself after a few weeks of being off anyway,
Speaker 1: what's up? Welcome to another episode of Quest of Supreme
Speaker 1: only on Pandora. We got a team Supreme with us.
Speaker 1: Hello guys, Hello, Hello? What we are live at? Wait
Speaker 1: now I forgot the the pun behind the here word.
Speaker 1: We are here are h A R h A R
Speaker 1: we are we are here at? We are here h
Speaker 1: g A R studios, Uh, the the the lovely digs,
Speaker 1: the home digs. A studio with windows. Yes, that's a
Speaker 1: novel idea with good scenery.
Speaker 9: Well, you know, we're always in the dark, so it's
Speaker 9: nice to see the outside and know what time it is.
Speaker 9: And it actually, honestly, I think makes my players play
Speaker 9: better because they feel like inspired and energetic and no
Speaker 9: one's falling asleep and doing the same thing over and over,
Speaker 9: so it's great.
Speaker 8: And then they can go jump in the pool if
Speaker 8: they need to.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to move in already anyway. Our guest
Speaker 1: today is a songwriting producing heavyweight, having pinned hits and
Speaker 1: anthems for notables such as Gwen Stefani, Pink, Courtney Love,
Speaker 1: Alicia keys Lee, Dion Etheridge, Lunch, James Blunt, cheap Trick, Faith, Hilled,
Speaker 1: Britney Spears, Chalise, Ziggy Marley, everybody, my mother, my fifth
Speaker 1: grade teacher, the name I haven't heard in a long time,
Speaker 1: Janice Ian. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, I believe she
Speaker 1: won a gram Me uh last year for a spoken word. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she owns that category. So her new life as an author,
Speaker 1: Dixie Chicks, Adam Lambert, Molly Cyrus and of course Christina
Speaker 1: Aguilera and with an arsenal like that. Of course, obviously
Speaker 1: she has to be in the songwriters uh Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Please welcome singer, songwriter, producer, ranger, Award winner, engineer and
Speaker 1: former non blonde, the one and only Linda Perry. Thank you,
Speaker 1: so thank you, without without blowing up your spot too
Speaker 1: much to our two thousand listeners.
Speaker 8: Uh, this this is more than they told me.
Speaker 1: No, but this, this is a very unique situation that
Speaker 1: we're in. Usually like home studios, people in my opinion,
Speaker 1: like the environment is always important and where I am,
Speaker 1: what I'm looking at right now, and I can't describe
Speaker 1: I mean, how we describe this.
Speaker 5: I would describe this as a house on HG DV
Speaker 5: Householters that the couple would pick.
Speaker 7: The one of property brothers that they show you in
Speaker 7: the beginning, and they say, well you can't afford that.
Speaker 1: Exactly, there would be the house.
Speaker 5: To like the humble house, the humbling house. It's like, oh,
Speaker 5: I love this, this, open this, how much you think
Speaker 5: this colls? This house is two point four million dollars,
Speaker 5: Get the fuck out, return.
Speaker 9: To the press, or love it or listed when they
Speaker 9: show you that really nice house and they never picked
Speaker 9: that one for some reason, they always go, let's let's
Speaker 9: love it.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna love it. It's a cozy, comfy atmosphere.
Speaker 1: And usually artists I know either overdo it, like you know,
Speaker 1: some people take pilgrimage trips to Hawaii orwaim Wait why
Speaker 1: were we both using Kanye examples? I mean, but you know,
Speaker 1: then there's some artists that that don't want to jinx
Speaker 1: it like you know, a lot of the classic Wu
Speaker 1: Tang records were still recorded in the same projects long
Speaker 1: after they had record budgets, until the flooding forced them
Speaker 1: out into wasn't Teddy Riley still producing in the exactly
Speaker 1: that Teddy Riley said that he did most of Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson's Dangerous album still inside his lucky projects, Like that's
Speaker 1: his lucky pair of draws. And the thing is always
Speaker 1: like when you upgrade or when you go to comfort,
Speaker 1: then usually artists are free to go there because it
Speaker 1: might make the must edgy or whatever. But I love
Speaker 1: the fact that this is. This is comfortable and somewhat
Speaker 1: but it's it's the perfect middle. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: like the Wu Tang projects from it far from the
Speaker 1: So for you, this is where we are, this is
Speaker 1: where you're This is where the magic happens. Sounding MTV cribs, Yeah,
Speaker 1: is this where the magic happens.
Speaker 8: I want to go show you my cars now.
Speaker 7: Beautiful.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, my son has a better car than I do.
Speaker 9: It's like ga wagon out there. This is the well
Speaker 9: one I I lived in San Francisco when I was
Speaker 9: in four and on Blonde That's where it all happened
Speaker 9: for me, and I lived there for a while and
Speaker 9: then I lived in a big warehouse and it didn't
Speaker 9: have any windows. So when I decided to come to
Speaker 9: Los Angeles, which was like I had to argue with
Speaker 9: myself coming down here. I was driving to visit a
Speaker 9: friend and on my way, I was like, you know, oh,
Speaker 9: you're going to move to l A. And I'm like, no,
Speaker 9: I'm not, and yes you are, and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 9: not moving to LA because I never listened to music
Speaker 9: when I drive, and I just like to be in quiet.
Speaker 1: Wait. Really, yeah, that's why I don't.
Speaker 9: It's just I like the piece, but time slower in
Speaker 9: my No, I'll drive all the way from San Francisco's
Speaker 9: no music, do you like?
Speaker 8: I love to drive, and but I find it really meditating.
Speaker 1: You know, where do you check your mixes? Like when
Speaker 1: you mix do records?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Do you give your your mixes like test runs in
Speaker 1: the car? No?
Speaker 9: I listened here and well at my other studio, which
Speaker 9: I want to bring here is I I had a
Speaker 9: little AM radio station, so I put it through the airways.
Speaker 9: I had one I think it was like six hundred.
Speaker 9: It went around the block sound a ratio.
Speaker 8: I really liked it.
Speaker 9: But so when I found this house, I liked that
Speaker 9: it was had the walls. I was looking for another house,
Speaker 9: but I bought the house wasn't my intention to live
Speaker 9: over here. But I asked, where is the where does
Speaker 9: no one want to go live? And everybody said in
Speaker 9: the valley, and I said specifically where like Sherman Oaks
Speaker 9: and seeing I'm like, that's where I'm going to go move.
Speaker 8: So I found this house and I lived here for
Speaker 8: a while.
Speaker 9: But then I bought a studio on called Royal Tone
Speaker 9: and I called it Kung Fu Gardens and that was
Speaker 9: eleven thousand square feet. It was huge, it was beautiful,
Speaker 9: but it was a big version of this. And then
Speaker 9: when my wife and had me and my wife had
Speaker 9: a son, I sold that studio to simplify and I
Speaker 9: turned this house that was actually just sitting here. I
Speaker 9: live in Hancock Park, but this had been sitting here
Speaker 9: and I was renting it out to friends. I'm like,
Speaker 9: you know what, I'm going to turn that house into
Speaker 9: my studio. And so I just kept it pretty. I mean,
Speaker 9: this is my esthetic. It sounds great in here. I
Speaker 9: think it's important to feel good where you're making music
Speaker 9: because to me, it's so intimate, especially as a songwriter.
Speaker 9: You know, you want people to feel safe when they're
Speaker 9: coming in. You want them to feel like, you know
Speaker 9: this is an environment that they can be in. Like
Speaker 9: I had Sea long time ago in my other studio
Speaker 9: and she panicked. She never came back because it was
Speaker 9: so big. It was overwhelming for her, and a lot
Speaker 9: of people have that feeling, although it was a really
Speaker 9: great environment.
Speaker 8: But this one, you know, I did dally here.
Speaker 9: I've done so many great fringing things here already, and
Speaker 9: it just has a great vibe.
Speaker 8: So I'm excited to be here and it it's very inspiring.
Speaker 1: You know. Some Well, returning to our initial thing about
Speaker 1: silence in the car, you couldn't let that go, right.
Speaker 1: It just hit me that it makes sense because most
Speaker 1: authors I know, and screenwriters and songwriters now they thrive
Speaker 1: on silence, boredom, isolation so that the ideas can come
Speaker 1: to them, because you know, again, we use music as
Speaker 1: it means to pass time and to not go over
Speaker 1: our minds on the road and to not deal with
Speaker 1: vertigo or whatever you know, to keep us up. But
Speaker 1: now that makes total sense.
Speaker 9: Well also for me, honestly, it's it's not even that
Speaker 9: poet it gets. It's more that I am constantly My
Speaker 9: mind always has music in it, so for some reason,
Speaker 9: when I can shut down like and just like when
Speaker 9: I do dishes, my mind goes blank. When I'm driving,
Speaker 9: my mind I just go into these meditative states, you know,
Speaker 9: And it's the only time I can actually be free
Speaker 9: in my head for other things.
Speaker 8: If there is anything other than music for me.
Speaker 9: At night time, it's hard for me to go to
Speaker 9: sleep because it's just constant, you know. I just it's
Speaker 9: constant music, like to a point where I have to
Speaker 9: wake up at you know, four in the morning because
Speaker 9: I had an idea that just popped up, and I,
Speaker 9: you know, get up, I walk to the other side
Speaker 9: of the house, you know, I grab my phone and
Speaker 9: I go to the art room and where because I
Speaker 9: have kids, like and.
Speaker 8: I'm like, okay, the meme. And then in the morning
Speaker 8: it sounds like nothing.
Speaker 9: I get nothing from it, but sometimes it sticks. So anyways,
Speaker 9: so I'm constantly trying to find so for some reason,
Speaker 9: driving I can keep the windows up and sweat all
Speaker 9: the way through with no music and be happy, happy
Speaker 9: as in my happy place.
Speaker 1: We kill each other riding.
Speaker 9: But when I'm here, I love I put on the
Speaker 9: Beach Boys, I love listening to Nina Simon. I mean,
Speaker 9: I just put on anything and I come in here
Speaker 9: and I get inspired because this is where it all
Speaker 9: comes to life for me. When I leave this area,
Speaker 9: for some reason, I shut everything else down.
Speaker 8: I don't know why. It's just the way I've always been.
Speaker 1: I would think that's kind of a blessing to be
Speaker 1: able to do. Yep. So uh. We always start our
Speaker 1: show with our guests with the question where were you born?
Speaker 1: What city were you born in? I was born in Boston, Boston, Massachusetts.
Speaker 9: Ye, Springfield, Massachusetts. Okay, but I say Boston because it's
Speaker 9: it's like a little bit over there. It's like there's
Speaker 9: Boston and then Springfield's right there.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're not wearing your Yankees hat, Steve.
Speaker 9: I was there for one year. I was one years old,
Speaker 9: and then we moved to San Diego. So I was
Speaker 9: raised in San Diego.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 9: So I'm really a California girl. But for some reason,
Speaker 9: everybody thinks I'm from New York.
Speaker 1: Yeah, guilty, Sorry.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's my badass attitude.
Speaker 1: It could be. Yeah, you would fit in very well.
Speaker 1: Oh I did it all. You've never lived in New
Speaker 1: York No, Okay, I'm guilty too. I thought New York
Speaker 1: and had moved to La Okay. I see, what was
Speaker 1: your home situation like with your parents and siblings.
Speaker 9: My mother's Brazilian, my father's from Portugal. And when we
Speaker 9: when my family came here, my mom, they got here
Speaker 9: like I think.
Speaker 8: It was sixty four, sixty three.
Speaker 9: I was born in sixty five in Boston, but I
Speaker 9: have brothers and one sister. Two of my brothers still
Speaker 9: stayed in Brazil. They never came with us. And my
Speaker 9: mom was basically my father told my mother that she
Speaker 9: was not at My mom didn't speak any English.
Speaker 8: My mom was gorgeous, beautiful, modeliss you.
Speaker 9: Know, Brazilian woman and you know hot, you know, and
Speaker 9: and my father basically coveted her and wanted her to
Speaker 9: be a housewife. And he didn't want her speaking Portuguese
Speaker 9: to us because it would be we would be admitting
Speaker 9: we're immigrants. And his he was raised that, you know,
Speaker 9: you can't be an immigrant in this world. They'll treat
Speaker 9: you differently. And so we were raised basically. My father
Speaker 9: changed my brother's names, you know, to be more American,
Speaker 9: and I was Linda, so that was you know, it's
Speaker 9: pretty seventies America that that's my birth name. But then
Speaker 9: what happened was we basically were learning how to grow
Speaker 9: up with my mom and teaching her how to speak English.
Speaker 9: So we would come home, we would read our books
Speaker 9: to her. She'd read, you know, try to read with us.
Speaker 9: She learned all her English pretty much on TV and
Speaker 9: she just watched National Geographic just Whatever I Love Lucy
Speaker 9: were her main shows.
Speaker 8: She loved news. My mother.
Speaker 9: My father was an engineer that worked for very big
Speaker 9: companies for the government. My mother ended up being way
Speaker 9: more smarter than my father and it was pretty amazing
Speaker 9: to watch. And so that's the household. I was brought up.
Speaker 9: My father he's passed away now, but he was an alcoholic.
Speaker 9: My mom was a very you know, outspoken woman with vengeance,
Speaker 9: you know, and we were on welfare. We drank powdered milk,
Speaker 9: you know, tuna, every single way that you pap we
Speaker 9: could think of it, yes, spam, I mean everything. So
Speaker 9: it was.
Speaker 8: You know, it was a great I'm happy for my upbringing,
Speaker 8: but it was tough.
Speaker 9: And but I wouldn't change one thing because I love
Speaker 9: how I grew up to be, and you know, so
Speaker 9: that was kind of where I'm at. And then I
Speaker 9: left home at fifteen was on DRU. I did the
Speaker 9: typical punk rocker. I was a total punk rocker, mohawk everything,
Speaker 9: piercing through my face and you know, slitting my wrists,
Speaker 9: not to kill myself, but just to have the scars.
Speaker 8: And that's what you did. In San Diego. I dropped
Speaker 8: a lot of acid.
Speaker 9: I done a lot of crystal coke, drinking, panhandling, sleeping
Speaker 9: in parks. I did it all on it And not
Speaker 9: until I was probably eighteen did I say I think
Speaker 9: I'm supposed to be more than this.
Speaker 8: And then I got my shit together.
Speaker 1: WHOA, Yeah, that's our episode. How did music enter your life?
Speaker 9: Well, it always was there. That That was the funny
Speaker 9: thing about music and my relationship with it. I took
Speaker 9: it for granted, you know, because music I was always
Speaker 9: touching something and making.
Speaker 8: Music out of it.
Speaker 9: Like if I saw guitar, I could just play something
Speaker 9: and make a melody out of it. If I saw piano,
Speaker 9: you know, I would make a melody at it. My
Speaker 9: father was a musician, but he never shared it with us,
Speaker 9: so I knew it was there, but it wasn't something
Speaker 9: that we were brought up with. My father listened to
Speaker 9: Frank Sinatra is like his big Willie Nelson, Frank Sinatra,
Speaker 9: George Strait, Johnny Cash in the country.
Speaker 8: He loved country, but he loved jazz.
Speaker 7: Someboy Day was in Boston. That was somewhere your.
Speaker 9: My My mother loved Bostonova, all Brazilians. I don't even
Speaker 9: know half this shit that she was playing. My sister
Speaker 9: loved the Beach Boys and Elvis Presley. My brothers loved
Speaker 9: the Beatles and you know, then the Zeppelins and all that.
Speaker 9: And I left musicals. I just was fascinated with musicals,
Speaker 9: the Jungle Book, sound of Music, Chitty Chitty Bang.
Speaker 1: Bang, all of it.
Speaker 9: I really was like, oh my god, this is amazing.
Speaker 9: So that was my musical upbringing. But then my brother,
Speaker 9: he's over there. He was in a band called Chaos
Speaker 9: and San Diego and he had the long, curly hair
Speaker 9: and chicks loved him. He always had girls around. And
Speaker 9: this was when I was about like fifteen fourteen, and
Speaker 9: he wore really cool leather pants and his band was
Speaker 9: like you know, everybody, and I was like, I want
Speaker 9: to be like him. And they would rehearse in our
Speaker 9: garage and then they would leave, and I'd always be
Speaker 9: listening and he'd come out, he's like, don't touch my guitar.
Speaker 9: You know, did the brother thing of course, And of
Speaker 9: course he'd leave and I'd go in there and I
Speaker 9: would try to buy ear figure out what he had
Speaker 9: just been playing. So that's kind of how I learned
Speaker 9: how to play music. I just figured it out by ear.
Speaker 1: I think that even though I encourage parents and everyone
Speaker 1: to uh, you know, introduce their kids to music, now
Speaker 1: that I know, the recurring theme is that the guests
Speaker 1: that are on our show that thrive the most do
Speaker 1: so because it's like those forbidden don't touch it. So
Speaker 1: you got to make music almost Yeah, And now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna discourage all parents out there, discourage your kids from
Speaker 1: their stereo.
Speaker 9: There's a total truth to that, because even like it's
Speaker 9: funny with my son, I was telling quests that I
Speaker 9: bought his quest Love.
Speaker 8: I don't even we call that little set.
Speaker 1: It's like a well, yeah, the breakbeat kit.
Speaker 8: The breakbeat kite for my one year old.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that I wouldn't gladly send it to you.
Speaker 9: No. I loved it, and because I saw it somewhere
Speaker 9: and I'm like, oh shit, I love this thing. And
Speaker 9: I played it and I was like, this is amazing.
Speaker 9: So I got it for my one year old son
Speaker 9: that you know, he just started walking and I was,
Speaker 9: you know, teaching him and he loved being on it.
Speaker 9: But it was obvious it's just too soon to give
Speaker 9: him a drum set. But he I never like, there's
Speaker 9: there's drums around, there's pianos around, there's guitars, there's this.
Speaker 9: I never encourage it, and he just goes to it himself.
Speaker 9: He discovered the Beatles all on his own at one
Speaker 9: and a half.
Speaker 8: What Yeah, all on his own, swear to god.
Speaker 9: He listens to Penny Lane, Hay Bulldog, Yellow Summery. He
Speaker 9: watches Yellow Summary.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 9: I don't know if anybody out there go watch Yellow Submarine.
Speaker 9: It's a trip. I can't even get through Yellow Summer.
Speaker 9: And he's obsessed with it. He knows it, and he
Speaker 9: knows all the songs in Spanish as well, because we
Speaker 9: teach him Spanish. And he loves to dress like Paul McCartney.
Speaker 9: He wears a jacket and a tie. I just got
Speaker 9: him out of the tie because it's nearly one hundred
Speaker 9: and fifty degrees out there and he wants to be
Speaker 9: in his jacket and Tye and I feel like a
Speaker 9: bad parent, like he's like sweating. I can't get off
Speaker 9: for him, you know. But anyways, on his own, he
Speaker 9: is doing that. So I don't encourage it. I just
Speaker 9: make it available if he's interested.
Speaker 1: He's going to be the third member of Lemon Tweets
Speaker 1: No Lemon tweegs. It's like these two kids, they're teenagers,
Speaker 1: like maybe sixteen and eighteen, but it's like they're straight
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, like basity rollers showing cassidy like that nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: Like kids are people to era. That was a deep cut.
Speaker 1: Only Bill get that? Uh and Steve, I'm sorry, Steve,
Speaker 1: you're here, Bob callister son, Yeah, okay, now you have to.
Speaker 1: I'll do me with the with the host thing.
Speaker 8: Make sure people have no reason to live or in
Speaker 8: a thing, right, got it?
Speaker 1: No, they're just straight nineteen seventies. And but it's because
Speaker 1: you know they're parent parents kind of raised them where
Speaker 1: the timeline was cut off at nineteen seventy seven. So
Speaker 1: that's all all they know is Boston. Yeah, they know Boston,
Speaker 1: they know Kansas, they know like those types of elo
Speaker 1: that sort of thing.
Speaker 9: So well, there is this wonderful wave of this new
Speaker 9: generation I guess what we call them, Generation why or whatever.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but these.
Speaker 9: Kids are going to impress a lot of people. Like
Speaker 9: when when people like ask me, like, aren't you bummed
Speaker 9: out about the music business, I'm like, no at all,
Speaker 9: not even We're just going through the bumps that we
Speaker 9: go through. But it's up to us to acknowledge and
Speaker 9: and to see and hear what's coming. And there's a
Speaker 9: bunch of kids right now that are thirteen and under
Speaker 9: that listen to Carol King Hendrix Zeppelin, because what what's
Speaker 9: going on is people are putting these Spotify playlists whatever.
Speaker 8: They don't have to, but they But the thing is
Speaker 8: they don't know who the new.
Speaker 9: Ones are or they old ones. They don't they're just
Speaker 9: listening and they're responding. So they hear Zeppelin come on,
Speaker 9: and they're like, going right on. And then that takes
Speaker 9: you to you know, Greta Van Fleet, which is a
Speaker 9: new bands like Zeppelin. You know, those guys would not
Speaker 9: have been signed today, you know if it wasn't for
Speaker 9: a lot of these playlists that kids are being exposed
Speaker 9: to that have amazing, amazing music on it, and it's
Speaker 9: it's circulating. So you know, to the music business people
Speaker 9: who are feeling fear, it's like there is no fear
Speaker 9: like actually, and in fact, I think there's gonna be
Speaker 9: a wonderful, beautiful surge of incredible music that's going.
Speaker 8: To be coming out.
Speaker 9: We just need to What our job is is to
Speaker 9: kind of clean up the foundation you know that we're
Speaker 9: sitting on right now, because the business is so messed
Speaker 9: up and the intentions are so bad that we have
Speaker 9: to really just kind of make it. We have to
Speaker 9: clean house a little bit so there is something for
Speaker 9: these kids to come into and not be afraid to
Speaker 9: you sign a record deal or be exposed in some
Speaker 9: way or whatever that want to just show up and
Speaker 9: perform and play.
Speaker 1: And I'm so glad you didn't say drain this one.
Speaker 8: I would not train this well.
Speaker 1: Do you think in your experiences and you've experienced the
Speaker 1: business as an artist, you've experienced the business as a label,
Speaker 1: you've experienced it as a songwriter. So I'm certain that
Speaker 1: from the interns to the president of the label, you've
Speaker 1: had interaction with everything, do you well, I know that
Speaker 1: the old modus operandi will eventually erode and be done
Speaker 1: away with. But do you feel that there could be
Speaker 1: a new system in which artists can get their fair
Speaker 1: share and make a living and still like where both
Speaker 1: sides are happy, where you know, because I don't I
Speaker 1: know that just to make great music, Like what's the
Speaker 1: sense of making great music if you're in a forest
Speaker 1: and no one hears the tree falling, you know, on
Speaker 1: the other side of the world. So I don't want
Speaker 1: to have to be a business person and an artist
Speaker 1: at the same time. So do you think that there
Speaker 1: will eventually be a system that will be fair enough
Speaker 1: so that artists can make a living and make quality
Speaker 1: music without having to shake their ass in a video
Speaker 1: or do this hot collabo with this person? Do you
Speaker 1: think you'll see that in your lifetime?
Speaker 9: Well, I mean that's a tricky question to be honest
Speaker 9: for someone like me, because I believe that quality and
Speaker 9: money don't go hand in hand, you know, Like, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, you need money to make quality, like as beautiful
Speaker 1: as this environment that right, red Aalinn didn't, Patsy Klein didn't.
Speaker 9: I mean, Carol King said in her room, And I mean, like,
Speaker 9: I mean, that's where music comes from. It people made
Speaker 9: incredible music with no money. I mean, it's just who
Speaker 9: we are. Like, if I don't make any money from
Speaker 9: here on out, it's not going to stop me from
Speaker 9: being a performer or a songwriter and doing everything I
Speaker 9: am and put everything that I am into what I'm doing,
Speaker 9: because that's just who I am.
Speaker 8: That's the that's the bar I live with on a
Speaker 8: daily basis. I you know, I have to write.
Speaker 9: It's it's my therapy, it's my it's who I am.
Speaker 9: It's like brushing my teeth. Like it's not a choice,
Speaker 9: it's just when it happens. I have to be available
Speaker 9: to respond to it. You know what you're saying. Will
Speaker 9: As a business person now, I think there's many outlets
Speaker 9: that are going to make themselves available. I feel, are
Speaker 9: we going to make the same money that we did
Speaker 9: in the nineties.
Speaker 8: No, we're not.
Speaker 1: We're not.
Speaker 9: It's not going to happen. But we got to remember
Speaker 9: other things that are going on. It's what's happening right
Speaker 9: now is making.
Speaker 8: Okay, let's just go ahead and just say it.
Speaker 9: It's turning people who are not talented into celebrities, right
Speaker 9: and they're being able to make a shitload of money
Speaker 9: based on you know this none talent to chrisma, right,
Speaker 9: but let's even take that for a second. There's a
Speaker 9: talent in that. There's a talent in being charismatic. There's
Speaker 9: a talent into selling yourself. There's a because you know
Speaker 9: what those people do. They they're on it twenty four
Speaker 9: to seven, they're banging shit out, they're on their Twitter,
Speaker 9: their car, they're you know, they're doing it. They're doing
Speaker 9: it when they wake up, when they go to sleep.
Speaker 9: There's a different talent.
Speaker 7: I actually like, no, you can like her, but that's
Speaker 7: a clear example.
Speaker 1: Yeah you can like her.
Speaker 7: No, that's fine. I mean, but we all know that
Speaker 7: she's built in a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: But then there's like, you know these artists that are
Speaker 9: like Adele. Everybody said records don't sell. Adele said hello
Speaker 9: a month for a month, and she sold groundbreaking twenty
Speaker 9: five million something like that for ridiculous amount of money,
Speaker 9: right or I mean she made a shitload off of that.
Speaker 9: Because I know that she is covered in that area.
Speaker 9: I get a lot of artists that come in here go,
Speaker 9: you know, I hate my album. I didn't want to
Speaker 9: be like that. You know, the record company made me
Speaker 9: do this. Blah blah, blah. I didn't want to make
Speaker 9: that video. I didn't want to put the glitter on
Speaker 9: my mouth to make it look like I was, you know,
Speaker 9: got you know, shot calm on my face. I didn't
Speaker 9: want to do any of that actual you know, you know,
Speaker 9: and all I could look at them and go, I'm
Speaker 9: so sorry. But you're not getting any sympathy here because
Speaker 9: you allowed that to happen. You know, you were afraid
Speaker 9: of losing your record deal, so you did all the
Speaker 9: things that you're not supposed to do.
Speaker 8: You you fell into that trap. So do I to
Speaker 8: your questions?
Speaker 9: That's why I said a difficult one, because I believe
Speaker 9: when artists step into their power, money will come. I
Speaker 9: believe anytime we step into our power, are everything that
Speaker 9: is due to us will come to us. What is
Speaker 9: rightfully ours will be ours when we step into our power.
Speaker 9: So that is the answer to that question.
Speaker 8: Right now.
Speaker 9: It is my job, your job, all of our job
Speaker 9: here to help people step into their power.
Speaker 1: All right, how many songs do you reckon you? Okay,
Speaker 1: I won't say like half completed songs are half demos,
Speaker 1: because I'm certain that you know, even if you have
Speaker 1: an idea right now, you'll just excuse yourself, and how
Speaker 1: many your iPhone outside? Uh? On a weekly basis, how
Speaker 1: many songs do you think you complete?
Speaker 9: Right, Well, it depends on if I'm writing with somebody.
Speaker 9: So basically, right now, I'm in the studio with Natasha Beddingfield.
Speaker 9: In probably fourteen days, we wrote thirteen songs, and then
Speaker 9: that was me concentrating on just the songs. Now sometimes
Speaker 9: I'll just you know, with her, I did something different,
Speaker 9: Like I really wanted to get the body of songs down,
Speaker 9: and so I didn't focus on any production because I
Speaker 9: wanted to do something different with her this time. And
Speaker 9: a lot of people know Natasha Beddingfield for you know,
Speaker 9: pocket full of Sunshine and unwritten, and there's a cleanness
Speaker 9: there about her. But she I mean there's a little
Speaker 9: Michael in her. I mean she hits these this tone
Speaker 9: that sounds like friggin' Michael Jackson when he was younger.
Speaker 9: And she's got a grit and a style, and she's
Speaker 9: wild and she's political, and she's dark and she's.
Speaker 8: Funny and she's light.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 9: So anyway, so I just wanted to focus on the song.
Speaker 9: So I just focused on the songs and didn't get
Speaker 9: into production, so we were, you know, like the other yesterday,
Speaker 9: I wasn't playing on writing a song, and we did.
Speaker 9: So it depends on the energy that's moving through me
Speaker 9: and the artist. Now, I've been with some artists that
Speaker 9: I've been with them for three days and I keep
Speaker 9: switching because I can't get one song written with them.
Speaker 9: And then finally at the I always allow at least
Speaker 9: two to three days. Sometimes that's long. But if I
Speaker 9: don't write a song with somebody within the first three hours,
Speaker 9: the chemistry's not there. I'll say, listen, I think you're amazing.
Speaker 9: You know who would be really great with you? And
Speaker 9: then I'll recommend somebody else and they look at me.
Speaker 1: Like you curve them.
Speaker 9: They're like, well, I want to work with you, and
Speaker 9: I said, I do too, but it's I like you,
Speaker 9: but that doesn't mean we're going to create, you know.
Speaker 8: That's that's how I roll, you know, So do artists.
Speaker 1: Prefer that immersive experience in creating with you? Because there
Speaker 1: are some times where I feel as though like I'll
Speaker 1: have a brilliant idea and I'll execute it and go
Speaker 1: in the studio by myself in it, and then I'll
Speaker 1: present it and then they'll be like, nah, I'm cool
Speaker 1: on it, and it's almost like well yeah, like I
Speaker 1: hate to say this on So that's how I fool.
Speaker 1: That's how I fool Erica, Like Erica is the Queen
Speaker 1: of no when it's like yo, we it's dope, right,
Speaker 1: and then she'll want to be part of the creative process.
Speaker 1: So then I got a Jedi my trigger. And then
Speaker 1: I'll present the same idea like a month later, right,
Speaker 1: and then it's like it's eighty two thousand, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And then it's like yeah, I see
Speaker 1: it's but it's almost like I feel like with your
Speaker 1: your position is harder because there's much more than a songwriter,
Speaker 1: like you bordline up to be the therapist sometimes the babysitter,
Speaker 1: like if they have add you gotta give them the
Speaker 1: focus and you have to be life coach. So it's
Speaker 1: what what is the most comfortable environment that you're in
Speaker 1: in songwriting? Like do you have to sit with that
Speaker 1: person in real time? Is music even involved? Like do
Speaker 1: you even just deal with words? And like Smokey Robinson
Speaker 1: said that half the songs he wrote he starts out
Speaker 1: with poetry, like not even thinking of a melody, it's
Speaker 1: just like, do these words make sense? And once he
Speaker 1: feels he has something, then it's like, what music can
Speaker 1: I dress around this? So what is your actual, like
Speaker 1: preferred process of songwriting. I don't have.
Speaker 9: I I everything comes at the same time, first of all.
Speaker 9: So for me, if I pick up a guitar, I'll
Speaker 9: basically come up with the melody and some kind of
Speaker 9: lyric right off the top. It all like for me,
Speaker 9: I have to be open to the song presenting itself
Speaker 9: and just catch it. You know how sometimes we ignore, oh,
Speaker 9: an actual lyric or is it like, I don't know.
Speaker 9: I'll just know it's just ice mumble and then it
Speaker 9: turns into song. So all my songs come from that.
Speaker 9: The melody, the music, the lyrics all kind of start
Speaker 9: showing up at the same time, and I'll just jam
Speaker 9: it but with So for me, when I'm here, that's
Speaker 9: how I roll when I'm with an artist.
Speaker 8: I love working with people.
Speaker 9: I could write a song with you guys right now,
Speaker 9: just as comfortable as I could with myself. I love
Speaker 9: being inspired. I I am one of the people that
Speaker 9: if we all sat here and we were like, okay, let's.
Speaker 8: Write a song.
Speaker 9: You were on your phone, you're drinking coffee, you fell asleep,
Speaker 9: you're daydreaming, and you're just looking at gear. And I
Speaker 9: sat here and did it. You know, I did all
Speaker 9: the music and wrote it. I would still make that
Speaker 9: a collaboration because it's the energy and the inspiration of everybody.
Speaker 9: You know, it's not sweet, it's just the way it
Speaker 9: is because to me, it's a it's a series of
Speaker 9: events and energies and things that just bring us to
Speaker 9: where we are right now. And that's how I look
Speaker 9: at life in general and songwriting. So it's to me,
Speaker 9: it's I can write anywhere. You can put me in
Speaker 9: any place, and I will write a song.
Speaker 1: What's the largest number of people collaboration situation that you've
Speaker 1: been in to write a song.
Speaker 9: The only time I've ever done something to that at
Speaker 9: that level is you know, with a band. You know
Speaker 9: where I've had my band here and it's like one, two,
Speaker 9: three for five, six seven people maybe if that, and
Speaker 9: we're just sitting in there jam and I just sometimes
Speaker 9: I just got to break out. It's just like guys,
Speaker 9: you know, I feel the guys are just like they're
Speaker 9: lost in the song. They can't get there. So I'll
Speaker 9: come in and I'll go, okay, let's just jam out,
Speaker 9: you know, and then I'll pick up the guitar and
Speaker 9: I'll start doing something. We'll start doing things, and then
Speaker 9: we'll write a song.
Speaker 1: Now, you know, you're always in the alpha situation, like.
Speaker 8: I'm always the alpha.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's what I wanted to know, Like who
Speaker 1: decides who's going to be quote the bad guy or
Speaker 1: the coaches?
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I'm I'm always that.
Speaker 9: I don't it's to me, it's I'm just in the
Speaker 9: more powerful position because I'm very confident.
Speaker 8: I'm not choosing that. It's just who I am and people.
Speaker 9: You're only as powerful as the people around you, So
Speaker 9: if people are letting you take power, then I'm the alpha.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 9: That's just the way the works works in the wolf Pack.
Speaker 9: You know, it's like they they want people want to
Speaker 9: be led. They want to feel like somebody's got control
Speaker 9: of something. That's why we get in an airplane and
Speaker 9: we feel that guy is the guy that's gonna take
Speaker 9: us to safety. And I don't fucking know who that
Speaker 9: guy is that's gonna who the fuck, but we automatically
Speaker 9: just go into this trusting situation. He's got it, you know.
Speaker 9: So I try to make that available because that's just
Speaker 9: who I am. But I want people to feel safe
Speaker 9: and secure in their environment. And I only whip out
Speaker 9: bulldog for business.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 9: I am a total I will. I am an assassin
Speaker 9: when it comes from my artist. I manage artists, and
Speaker 9: I am a killer. I would go in there because
Speaker 9: my artist is my number one priority. I don't give
Speaker 9: a fuck about any of you, my artists. I need
Speaker 9: to make sure that they're taken care of. And I
Speaker 9: become an assassin. I'm a gunslinger. I go left field.
Speaker 8: I funck shit up. I got people scared of me,
Speaker 8: but I'm also really sweet.
Speaker 7: Is your writing process different for those people who you've
Speaker 7: been working with for so long, Like it's the product,
Speaker 7: you know, since you know them, and on a whole
Speaker 7: different level for like the Pinks and the Christina and.
Speaker 9: Well you know, I mean we all know, like there's
Speaker 9: people who think their writers and they think their producers,
Speaker 9: you know, So you have to you know, like what
Speaker 9: you said, you have to Jedi mind trick them, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I have How long does it take for
Speaker 1: you to know who you're dealing with? If it's a
Speaker 1: blind situation, like do you start with dinner first, do
Speaker 1: you meet off campus first to see who you're dealing with,
Speaker 1: or is it just like Clyde Davis is like, look,
Speaker 1: I got this new artist and come to New York
Speaker 1: and meet them.
Speaker 9: Yeah, No, I don't do that. I'll meet people, but
Speaker 9: I don't. I rarely, it's a rare occasion. I'll just
Speaker 9: say okay to somebody. I don't care if it's Beyonce
Speaker 9: or some new person. I need to sit with you first,
Speaker 9: just chat and see if we're a match, because it
Speaker 9: is important to me. I'm not again, I have to
Speaker 9: feel creative in the situation. Otherwise, if I'm not and
Speaker 9: I'm only doing it for the namesake or whatever, it
Speaker 9: just doesn't It doesn't fit in my soul properly.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I gotta ask at the height of misunderstood mania,
Speaker 1: we came first striped? Uh?
Speaker 8: Misunderstood that was first?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, So let's just say in the in the
Speaker 1: sort of the cyclone of where you know, get this
Speaker 1: party start, it's like playing now, playing in stadiums and whatnot.
Speaker 1: What can you tell us a name that like came
Speaker 1: to you like Okay, I want something. You had to
Speaker 1: curve them and be like, we're not a match. It's
Speaker 1: not going to work like a a failed collabo that
Speaker 1: didn't happen, or that you passed on.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's many. Listen.
Speaker 9: My one of my pride things that I love about
Speaker 9: myself is that I'm not a kiss and teller.
Speaker 8: But mind you, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 9: I have I record everything, so when you walk into
Speaker 9: my studio, it's rolling.
Speaker 8: Let me just tell you this.
Speaker 9: I have ship on people beyond my fucking am I
Speaker 9: that would shock this, you know, fucking industry. I mean
Speaker 9: the confessions, the things I mean, I have a maybe
Speaker 9: when I'm like lying on my road the studio, maybe
Speaker 9: I might go okay and unleash these you know, who knows? Maybe,
Speaker 9: but I But what I love about who I've become
Speaker 9: is that you know, my experiences are my experiences, and
Speaker 9: nobody's gonna ever experience anything the way I do, or
Speaker 9: you do or we do. Right, But I just know,
Speaker 9: right off the top, I can know in five minutes.
Speaker 9: I'm extremely I'm sensitive. I'm all in heart. I'm rarely
Speaker 9: in my head unless I need to be, but I'm
Speaker 9: all in my heart. To a point where it's a
Speaker 9: fault for me, like it becomes a weakness because I'm
Speaker 9: so writing in my heart all the time that I'm
Speaker 9: over the top honest. I've hurt people, not meaning but
Speaker 9: just because my honesty has hurt people.
Speaker 1: You know, how do you if you care for someone,
Speaker 1: will you be severely blunt with them?
Speaker 9: Even if if I don't care about them, I'll be
Speaker 9: severely blunt, Like it's it to me, it's our duty
Speaker 9: as human beings to be. Like, for instance, yesterday, so
Speaker 9: there's this girl on Twitter name Scarlet B. Her name
Speaker 9: is Savannah. Anyway, she email, she kept twitting me songs
Speaker 9: like Linda Perry, I want your attention, I want your attention,
Speaker 9: and I follow on my watch and I listen, you know,
Speaker 9: and I do. And so this girl sent me a
Speaker 9: version of What's Up, and she changed all the words
Speaker 9: to basically say something to the extent, please notice me.
Speaker 9: I'm I'm a Vietnam vett, not Vietnam, no vet, I'm
Speaker 9: a vet and you know all her she put all
Speaker 9: her struggles in it.
Speaker 8: I just want you to hear me. I'm coming for you.
Speaker 8: Where are you? You know whatever?
Speaker 9: So it was pretty endearing. I tweeted back and said, okay, kid,
Speaker 9: I'm gonna give you a shot. So I had my
Speaker 9: people reach out to her.
Speaker 8: We flew her here.
Speaker 9: She lives in Virginia. We flew her and her mom
Speaker 9: out here, and I said, Okay, I'm gonna give you
Speaker 9: a shot. You're going to do a showcase for my label.
Speaker 9: And so yesterday she did a showcase last night in
Speaker 9: front of the label, and and there was a couple
Speaker 9: of songs that are good couple songs on then.
Speaker 8: But it was my what would I be if I
Speaker 8: brought this girl all the way here?
Speaker 9: And I didn't say, these are the issues that I'm
Speaker 9: hearing in your material, because you can get that on
Speaker 9: the fucking Voice American Idol and all that crap. You know,
Speaker 9: those people, those kids, those kids walk away with no
Speaker 9: information at all. They walk away with nothing. Even the
Speaker 9: winners walk away with nothing. You know, maybe the earlier
Speaker 9: days American Idol, there were there were people, but that
Speaker 9: period is gone.
Speaker 8: But now name me one Voice winner.
Speaker 9: I know Adam Levine and Christina and Gwen's records.
Speaker 1: I know that.
Speaker 9: No I'm saying I know the judges where yeah, they
Speaker 9: benefit you know that that's what's going on American and
Speaker 9: I don't right now it's all that.
Speaker 8: But when did they stop?
Speaker 9: And when did Simon cow or whatever say, you know what,
Speaker 9: there's something here, but this is what I would do.
Speaker 8: Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 9: So it was it's my duty as a as a
Speaker 9: person in the music business, you know, like people do
Speaker 9: think that I do know something. Whether it's the if
Speaker 9: it's right or not, I don't know. I just have
Speaker 9: my own opinions. And again they're my opinions. But so
Speaker 9: I don't know this girl. But I had to tell
Speaker 9: her sidebarred her without everybody else around in that room,
Speaker 9: and I said, listen, this song, I really like it
Speaker 9: needs a chorus. But here I think I don't know
Speaker 9: who you're being in this song. And she's like, well,
Speaker 9: I really wanted to be like Halsey. And I'm like,
Speaker 9: why don't you just be you? You know, why are
Speaker 9: you being Halsey?
Speaker 1: Be you?
Speaker 8: And I don't like this.
Speaker 9: So anyway, so she's going home today with some valuable information.
Speaker 9: I you know, this experience is going to change her life,
Speaker 9: and more so, I wanted it to change everybody else's.
Speaker 9: That was experiencing this good gesture, because that's what we
Speaker 9: need to do. We need to reach out and extend
Speaker 9: a good gesture. We need to help people. We need
Speaker 9: to give them the right information because nobody, nobody is
Speaker 9: giving these kids the right information. Where's our fucking political
Speaker 9: revolution that was supposed to happen with punk rock?
Speaker 8: Where are the Ramones?
Speaker 9: They were supposed to show up, Patty Smith was supposed
Speaker 9: to show up shuring this whole thing.
Speaker 8: Where the fuck did it go?
Speaker 1: Natalie Dixie Chicks, everybody shut.
Speaker 8: Up exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Stuff to lose, lose, anything to lose because he was
Speaker 1: you know every day.
Speaker 9: That is exactly my point. It's like, you know, what
Speaker 9: are we then if we're not standing for what we
Speaker 9: came in here for. Like so when you go back
Speaker 9: to your question about are we gonna make money, it's like,
Speaker 9: who fucking cares?
Speaker 8: I'm in it, man, I'm in it to be a
Speaker 8: soldier and a pawn.
Speaker 9: I'll be a fucking pond in this music business because
Speaker 9: if I have to sacrifice myself for the for the
Speaker 9: business to win, That's what I'm in it for. So
Speaker 9: I don't care about the money. Is the money great?
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, I still think that one should be able
Speaker 1: to make a living. I think I would make I live.
Speaker 8: We are I think we are, man, I think we are.
Speaker 8: I think we're gonna be.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe Hype Williams videos have gassed me up too
Speaker 1: much to yeah.
Speaker 8: But you know what, let me tell you this.
Speaker 9: We should have never been making three hundred, five hundred
Speaker 9: thousand dollars videos.
Speaker 8: Okay. The nineties is what screwed everything up. The nineties
Speaker 8: got greedy.
Speaker 9: Oh my god, all this money, and everybody wanted more,
Speaker 9: more and more, and the labels wanted more because they
Speaker 9: you know what I mean, fucking seventeen ninety nine. First,
Speaker 9: see the kids were being ripped off. You know what
Speaker 9: they did, they said fuck you. They started their own
Speaker 9: revolution and start fucking putting out all those songs and
Speaker 9: records out online, saying here you go, it's here for free,
Speaker 9: you know, because we can afford nineteen ninety nine for
Speaker 9: a crappy album. So remember that, not only were they
Speaker 9: spending nineteen ninety and twenty bucks for record, they're spending
Speaker 9: twenty bucks for craph You know, there's maybe one or
Speaker 9: two good songs on there, but the rest was fucking
Speaker 9: filler and shit.
Speaker 1: Stop selling singles. So you couldn't get this the one
Speaker 1: song you want. You had to buy the whole album
Speaker 1: and suffer through, you know, seventy eight minutes of the
Speaker 1: crap just to get to the two minutes you want to.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I think it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 9: I think we just have to readdress our intentions, you know,
Speaker 9: And I think we can make a living, and I
Speaker 9: think we can make a really good living.
Speaker 8: And I think.
Speaker 9: There's gonna be other resources that are gonna start happening.
Speaker 9: There's a lot of people, do you probably know a
Speaker 9: lot of different things are coming up. There's just gonna
Speaker 9: be a lot of different ways for distribution and reaching
Speaker 9: out to your fans and and and honestly, there's gonna
Speaker 9: be a lot of we have to get rid of
Speaker 9: a lot. Do you understand there's a lot of Yeah,
Speaker 9: there's a lot of unnecessary music out there.
Speaker 5: You're not through they like, I don't even think you're
Speaker 5: fighting as an artist. You're not really even fighting for money.
Speaker 5: You're fighting for attention. Yeah, yeah, it's not even about
Speaker 5: the Attention is kind of the great currency, now, you know.
Speaker 5: And that's why what you were saying earlier with artists
Speaker 5: who have that charisma and know how to sell it.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've had straight up labels like my homies
Speaker 5: that work at labels straight up tell me before even
Speaker 5: looking to sign an artist, they go and look at
Speaker 5: their Instagram for yes first, like they look.
Speaker 1: At you got on install? How many what's your Twitter?
Speaker 9: Because they're lazy. Labels are fucking lazy. They want everybody
Speaker 9: to do that. They don't want them down. They don't
Speaker 9: break because they don't know how to. They don't break
Speaker 9: them because they don't. Nobody in the music business is
Speaker 9: actually running the music business.
Speaker 1: Like nobody's developing artists anymore.
Speaker 9: You have a you know this guy that's the bazillionaire
Speaker 9: that bought Atlantic because he wanted to be on a
Speaker 9: yacht with all these you know people and go to parties.
Speaker 9: It's like he knows nothing about the business. And then
Speaker 9: you leave it to these guys that are just holding on.
Speaker 9: Their job is just to not say yes right now.
Speaker 8: Their job.
Speaker 7: They're safe.
Speaker 8: They're keeping their jobs by not saying yes, yes, you.
Speaker 7: Know, but not for nothing. That's why it seems like
Speaker 7: when you look at your catalog, whether it was conscious
Speaker 7: or unconscious, you definitely have a somewhat of eligibility requirement
Speaker 7: for I want to say the ladies at very least
Speaker 7: that you work with.
Speaker 8: The ladies are most fucked up and emotional. They need me,
Speaker 8: you know, the one and the ones that you work with, those.
Speaker 7: They got a certain foundation of strength to them, you
Speaker 7: know what I mean, like all of them when you
Speaker 7: look at it.
Speaker 9: Well, you know, I think that with women, we're just emotion.
Speaker 9: We're emotional and we get sensitive, and I think that,
Speaker 9: you know, I'm always asked like why aren't there more
Speaker 9: women producers or engineers? And I think one, it's a
Speaker 9: bitch man to you know, to to be turned down
Speaker 9: because you're a woman, you know, and or not. No,
Speaker 9: like I've turned down women, you know, engineers, I've I
Speaker 9: don't want to engineer. I love engineering, I love producing,
Speaker 9: but I don't want to do it anymore, you know,
Speaker 9: because engineering I start geeking out, you know, I start
Speaker 9: fucking moving. I can spend like a whole fucking day.
Speaker 9: I have hundreds of snares and I will go through
Speaker 9: all of them to get the right sound because I
Speaker 9: don't well, why don't you just tune that one down?
Speaker 8: Are you kidding me? It sounds great like this. I'm
Speaker 8: not tuning down my I have.
Speaker 1: A do you know, John Brian. Yeah, motherfucker, spend like
Speaker 1: three hours on like one snare.
Speaker 8: But you know what, it's because you don't want to
Speaker 8: touch the character of the one.
Speaker 9: So anyway, So anyways, as you can see, I can
Speaker 9: go on this conversation for hours.
Speaker 8: So but I think that sometimes what's going on with
Speaker 8: women is.
Speaker 9: Maybe they don't want to deal with it. Maybe they
Speaker 9: don't they see it as a losing battle already. Maybe
Speaker 9: they're happy being on their computers at home and not
Speaker 9: dealing with a room full of you know, guys. Maybe
Speaker 9: the guys won't even hire them, you know.
Speaker 8: You know, I like to be up. I am, I
Speaker 8: am an.
Speaker 9: I'm a lifer. I'm a lifer in this position. I
Speaker 9: don't clock in nine to five. I am a fucking lifer.
Speaker 9: And I don't believe there's many women that are lifers,
Speaker 9: you know, because there's a lot other things that they
Speaker 9: women want to do, they want to have they I
Speaker 9: have a son, but I'm figuring it out, you know.
Speaker 9: But I'm kind of more macho, you know, I have
Speaker 9: a more man perspective.
Speaker 7: Less you have resources I do have.
Speaker 9: Resources but the girls. But you know, I had to
Speaker 9: fight for my resourceers. I was when I was in
Speaker 9: four Nam Bloms. I'll give you great example, when I
Speaker 9: was in four Non Blonde and we're recording that album,
Speaker 9: which I fucking hate, you know, because sonically I don't
Speaker 9: know what it is. I know what it is now,
Speaker 9: but I didn't know what it was then. You know,
Speaker 9: I had no experience of it being in a studio,
Speaker 9: and so I got you know, I'm listening to my
Speaker 9: you know this. He gives me this fifty three vox
Speaker 9: fifty three, les Paul to go through the sixty three
Speaker 9: vox amp, and I'm in the room and I'm hearing it.
Speaker 9: I'm like, oh man, that is fat. And then I
Speaker 9: go into the control room and it sounds like this.
Speaker 9: And I didn't know he was compressing it, queuing out
Speaker 9: everything and putting reverb on it. I didn't know that,
Speaker 9: you know, So every time I'd question him, like, why
Speaker 9: does it sound so great out here? But when I
Speaker 9: come in here it sounds so teeny and so far away, Linda,
Speaker 9: you know, with his accent, you know who produced it,
Speaker 9: David Tickle. Can't you just you know, just just be
Speaker 9: a singer, you know, and go in there and just
Speaker 9: do whatever. And so I heard that fucking just go
Speaker 9: be a singer bullshit way too many times. And then
Speaker 9: when he got to What's Up the song that I wrote,
Speaker 9: when it got to in His Little Hands, it had
Speaker 9: a marching drum. You want me to change all the
Speaker 9: lyrics because it didn't make sense to him for me
Speaker 9: to repeat certain lines. There's a guitar solo. It sounded
Speaker 9: fucking bad. He changed my strum. I went to Tom
Speaker 9: Walley Interscope Records. I said, I am not fucking releasing
Speaker 9: this song. And he's like, well, we're all happy with it.
Speaker 9: I'm like, I'm not happy with it. So we had
Speaker 9: one real tape. We had tape back then, so we
Speaker 9: had one reala tape. I called up the Plant Studios
Speaker 9: in San Francisco and I said, hey, man, can you
Speaker 9: do me a solid? We have no money, We had
Speaker 9: no money, we couldn't afford anything. And I said, will
Speaker 9: you do me sol then let us come in and
Speaker 9: I need to reproduce this this song. He's like, of course, dude,
Speaker 9: for you, I'll do that, you know, just put us
Speaker 9: a thanks on the record.
Speaker 8: I'm like done. So we go in there. I've never
Speaker 8: produced anything.
Speaker 9: Dial with the engineer, dialed up the sounds, got everything,
Speaker 9: got everything, put it back to the arrangement, put on
Speaker 9: our tape. We had to choose because you only have
Speaker 9: room for three, so we had to kind of make
Speaker 9: commitments and go, okay, let's just keep this, let's go
Speaker 9: over that one. So we are on our last take.
Speaker 9: David Tickle comes walking in at like two o'clock in
Speaker 9: the morning. We're laying it down.
Speaker 8: That's it. It was live, and then we added some
Speaker 8: background vocals.
Speaker 9: That was it, and then we mixed it that night
Speaker 9: and then it made it, mastered it the next day,
Speaker 9: and it was on the record.
Speaker 8: That is the version that sold seven million records.
Speaker 9: That's got over you know, two billion fucking streams or
Speaker 9: whatever on YouTube, and that motherfucker. When I said I
Speaker 9: want producer credit on that, they all said no to me.
Speaker 9: Can't you fucking be a singer? And I from that
Speaker 9: day on, I said, fuck you, I'm going to be
Speaker 9: more than a singer, bitch. I'm going to fucking learn
Speaker 9: how to do this shit.
Speaker 8: And that's what I did.
Speaker 9: I started buying equipment and I taught myself. That was
Speaker 9: my motivation, you know, And then I did.
Speaker 8: I just went for it.
Speaker 9: I didn't it was no, was not an exception, and
Speaker 9: I got fired from misunderstood.
Speaker 8: Just to let you know this little story. Nobody knows this.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna get a doozy, so I get to I
Speaker 9: wrote Get the Party Started in like fifteen minutes. Because
Speaker 9: I was such an analog girl. I wanted to know
Speaker 9: what that sound was on the radio that I was
Speaker 9: hearing on MTV. So I called up a friend. I'm like,
Speaker 9: what is that thing on MTV right now? Or all
Speaker 9: the sounds?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 8: Oh, it's an MPC.
Speaker 9: It's a Triton and it's a role in Expansion cards,
Speaker 9: you know. And I'm like, okay. So I went and
Speaker 9: bought all that. I set it all up. I had
Speaker 9: eight DAA D A D eighty eight and then I
Speaker 9: set it up and then I started just playing.
Speaker 8: And then that's what I wrote.
Speaker 9: Out of just testing all this gear, I wrote, get
Speaker 9: the Party started, put some then put some live woah
Speaker 9: wah bass, you know whatever. And then this girl calls
Speaker 9: me up. Liza's message says, I want to you know,
Speaker 9: are you Linda Perry? I want to blah blah blah,
Speaker 9: write a song with you. So I go and meet her,
Speaker 9: and then I had written get Get the party started.
Speaker 9: I play it for her. She's like, that's my first single.
Speaker 9: Plays at La read right anyways, So cut to we
Speaker 9: were doing it here when I'm still living here. I
Speaker 9: had a little studio in that room, and so I
Speaker 9: just start demoing I'm really good, right and just whatever,
Speaker 9: and then she it was very different.
Speaker 8: So La Reid came in and he was like, you know,
Speaker 8: this is very different. We're gonna lose.
Speaker 9: Lisha's a Pink's audience because I just feel like this
Speaker 9: is just too left field. And I said, you know what,
Speaker 9: how many what did she sell? He's like, well, she's
Speaker 9: got like, you know, almost two million. You know, she
Speaker 9: sold two million records. I'm like, you're gonna lose those
Speaker 9: ten and you're gonna gain ten. I mean, you're gonna
Speaker 9: lose those two and you're gonna gain ten. And then
Speaker 9: I got fired because I was too left field. Yes,
Speaker 9: this is the beautiful part. You're gonna fucking love me
Speaker 9: for this time. I remember I got fired. Okay, so
Speaker 9: they fired me, and I'm like, I'm ten songs in
Speaker 9: I'm the I'm the bulk of the album, right and
Speaker 9: they fired me.
Speaker 8: So I I say, no, you know what, you guys
Speaker 8: never hired me. You can't fire me because you never
Speaker 8: hired me.
Speaker 9: So I went back into the studio with Dave Pinsato,
Speaker 9: I finished the productions, had him mix it, and then
Speaker 9: I invoiced them, gave them the fucking record and then
Speaker 9: they took it.
Speaker 8: So they never hired me. They fired me, and then
Speaker 8: they never rehired me. Remember that, l They.
Speaker 7: Were like no pieces when Pink was on her there
Speaker 7: you go and she was doing BT Awards.
Speaker 8: But isn't that a great story.
Speaker 9: He did not like me at all because I was
Speaker 9: in his face and just you know how I was
Speaker 9: just you know what I mean, It was really funny.
Speaker 9: But he wanted to fire my ass. But Dallas Austin
Speaker 9: wasn't losing his job, you know. But they quickly were
Speaker 9: ready to fire me because I was too aggressive, you know,
Speaker 9: and I call them out like she's.
Speaker 8: Gonna and you know what she did? She sold twelve
Speaker 8: million records.
Speaker 7: In that moment. Did you see the more misogyny in
Speaker 7: the R and B area than what you're used to.
Speaker 7: I'm just curious, No, because you.
Speaker 8: Know what, I don't look for those things.
Speaker 9: Uh you know, I'm this is where I'm naive, and
Speaker 9: you know, like I don't look for problems and I
Speaker 9: just find solutions.
Speaker 8: You know, That's it.
Speaker 9: I find solutions. I don't dwell in things. I just
Speaker 9: find my way around it. At this is my journey.
Speaker 7: Man. Sometimes I don't know.
Speaker 8: I mean there was you know what, more so not.
Speaker 9: Really in that because you know, I actually got very
Speaker 9: embraced in that you know whole you know, everybody at Enterprise,
Speaker 9: you know, Enterprise Studios, So everybody embraced me there. I
Speaker 9: mean there is all walks going on in there, and
Speaker 9: they loved me, embraced me. I and then had you know,
Speaker 9: people like Ron Fair was coming in. Okay, I want
Speaker 9: you to come listen to this, uh you know Maya
Speaker 9: you know song where we just redid free Fall and
Speaker 9: it took like three weeks to do it, and I
Speaker 9: had this big orchestra and all this stuff, and you know,
Speaker 9: and I spent like a hundred million dollars.
Speaker 7: Fucking budget.
Speaker 9: Dude, he fucking plays it to me and I'm all,
Speaker 9: you took three weeks to do this and you spent probably.
Speaker 9: I said, Ron, you should be ashamed of yourself. You
Speaker 9: know how much she's paying for that? And I looked
Speaker 9: at Maya, I go, you're paying for that. So the
Speaker 9: three weeks that he just spent the big strings that
Speaker 9: suck you're pain for the mean, Oh my god. I
Speaker 9: didn't know how to filter myself and it just came
Speaker 9: out because I was so angry.
Speaker 7: What did her face say when you did that?
Speaker 8: She was, I think embarrassed and she knew and it
Speaker 8: did nothing. It was the most I mean. And I'm
Speaker 8: a petty fan, you know, And it's like.
Speaker 9: Don't do a cover and fucking do a bad version.
Speaker 8: Of it, you know, just don't do it. If you're
Speaker 8: gonna do a bad version of cover.
Speaker 9: Here to all you little kiddie winkies out there, if
Speaker 9: you're going to do a cover, do your.
Speaker 8: Cover of it.
Speaker 1: Don't do Ron Fairris cover.
Speaker 9: Don't do Ron Fairs cover. Just don't do the artist cover.
Speaker 9: Just do a different version of it. Make it you
Speaker 9: don't make it a version of them and then on
Speaker 9: top of it, a bad version of it.
Speaker 7: They used to teach that on American Idol, Yeah, used to.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you said what you said about the
Speaker 1: reality shows, because the thing is is that when you're
Speaker 1: saying that you know you're here today and going before
Speaker 1: you got there. For me, it's like this whole idea
Speaker 1: of we're going to create gods in fifteen weeks in
Speaker 1: fifteen week episode increments is so one it's unproven. But
Speaker 1: it's almost like the people that we idolize put decades
Speaker 1: into their craft, Like you know, Retha Franklin started at six,
Speaker 1: singing in church, singing in church, singing in church until
Speaker 1: she was nineteen before she even got in front of
Speaker 1: a microphone. And it's almost like, do you even think
Speaker 1: that we have the patients? I mean, as long as
Speaker 1: we have the suits at these labels and you know
Speaker 1: the you know, it's like more power to Simon Caroll
Speaker 1: Cowell for creating these platforms, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's doing us more harm than it is helping the situation.
Speaker 1: And so it's like, for you, do you think that
Speaker 1: we can even find and cultivate talent that at least
Speaker 1: had fifteen years of experience and work before they even
Speaker 1: see a microphone.
Speaker 8: I don't think that. I think there's just a different way,
Speaker 8: like are we going to get the fifteen years.
Speaker 1: Now, do you think it's necessary?
Speaker 9: I do.
Speaker 8: I do feel that.
Speaker 9: You know, right now, you have kids sitting on YouTube.
Speaker 9: They do covers, right, or they write a song, they
Speaker 9: go on their YouTube, they record it, they put it
Speaker 9: out there in the world with Twitter or socials whatever.
Speaker 9: They get instant reaction, right, they get instant feedback. They
Speaker 9: think that is the real world right there. Okay, so
Speaker 9: then they get plucked out of the system and then
Speaker 9: they're put into these, you know, a studio. Good example
Speaker 9: is that little Grace Vanderval. Right, so Grace Vanderval, she
Speaker 9: was the girl that was thirteen and played ukulele on
Speaker 9: America's Got Talent.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, okay, so so this was funny.
Speaker 9: So you know she's thirteen, all right, she doesn't get
Speaker 9: you know, people go crazier because she's got a really beautiful,
Speaker 9: soulful voice.
Speaker 8: She writes this really great song. So I get a
Speaker 8: call like a year later and.
Speaker 9: It's her management or the label and they're like, hey,
Speaker 9: wondering if you would have any interest to meet Grace Vanderral.
Speaker 9: You know, we're in the studio and we're having some problems,
Speaker 9: and you know, she's been in there with Pharrell and
Speaker 9: blah blah blah and naming all these big names and yeah,
Speaker 9: we're just we're I guess we're just not getting where
Speaker 9: we want to go. And I said, well, I can
Speaker 9: go ahead and guess what your problem is is. She's
Speaker 9: fourteen and you stuck her in a studio Pharrell Williams.
Speaker 8: Who does that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 8: Who does that? I mean, the girl has no life.
Speaker 9: She's like, she doesn't she went on American America's got talent.
Speaker 8: Too, in a studio with the Froh. She's had no
Speaker 8: time to understand who she is, who she's going to be.
Speaker 9: So when that happened, I had met a twelve year
Speaker 9: old and from my wife is Sarah Gilbert, and she
Speaker 9: has this really great friend, Sleigh Moonfry that was punking.
Speaker 8: She's amazing. So Slay calls me up.
Speaker 9: She's like, I have this friend and she's the sweetest person.
Speaker 9: I have this friend and she's got a daughter and
Speaker 9: she thinks the daughter's got talent but doesn't know and
Speaker 9: is wondering if you could check her out and just see,
Speaker 9: you know, they're just curious. So I'm like, for you,
Speaker 9: Slay anything, So I you know, a week later, I
Speaker 9: go to her house and there's the kid and big
Speaker 9: bottle cap glasses and braces. I mean, I mean it
Speaker 9: was like there was four railroad tracks in there, you know,
Speaker 9: and a total dork. You could tell she has a
Speaker 9: total brain. Talked a mile and minute, and I'm like going, okay,
Speaker 9: I'm gonna be open to this. And she sits down
Speaker 9: and I don't even know if it was a beginning,
Speaker 9: there was no end, but it sounds like there was
Speaker 9: a middle, all right. So she plays this middle of
Speaker 9: a song and then just stops, like, you know, after
Speaker 9: a minute and a half. And but she had this
Speaker 9: soulful voice. So they're like, well, what do you think.
Speaker 9: I said, I can't tell right now, but I'll tell
Speaker 9: you what. Write five songs and call me in two months.
Speaker 8: So I gave my number.
Speaker 9: She wrote six songs and called me exactly two months
Speaker 9: to the day, and then she came here played me
Speaker 9: the six songs that she wrote. I put a little
Speaker 9: microphone up at the piano and just to record them,
Speaker 9: and I was in there crying. And I came in crying,
Speaker 9: you know, and I said, I was never this deep
Speaker 9: at fucking twelve, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, twelve yeah. Okay.
Speaker 9: So then I said, okay, what I'm gonna do is
Speaker 9: I'm gonna record this for real, for you, like just piano,
Speaker 9: just you sitting at your piano and singing the songs.
Speaker 9: But let's do a better version. So come back in
Speaker 9: three weeks, and I have like three days available for you, right.
Speaker 9: She comes back in three weeks with twelve songs. Wow,
Speaker 9: whoa yeah, And so then I'm like, holy fuck, and
Speaker 9: I'm not kidding you good songs. I'm telling you I
Speaker 9: have little fucking Carol King right now. So she's like,
Speaker 9: what are we gonna do? So I recorded videoed everything.
Speaker 9: We did thirteen songs in thirteen days, just her at
Speaker 9: the piano, recording her vocal nuts it. If I wanted
Speaker 9: a kick drum, I made her play it. I made
Speaker 9: her go If I wanted bass, I gave her a bass,
Speaker 9: gave her the song, said go home, you learn how
Speaker 9: to play the bass, and come back. And because no one,
Speaker 9: not me, I never touched her songs except for raise
Speaker 9: the Key maybe and sped it up or slowed it down.
Speaker 9: But if something needed to be played, I made her
Speaker 9: play it. You know, acoustic guitar, and she's never play bass,
Speaker 9: never played acoustic guitar anyway. So the moral of this
Speaker 9: story is she's fourteen now and I'm still mentoring her
Speaker 9: and this kid is incredible. And then she got we
Speaker 9: let her play at this We went, we took the
Speaker 9: company and all the artists to Shia Day, which is
Speaker 9: an advertisement company, and we were doing this you know
Speaker 9: you don't We're we're not gonna wait for you to
Speaker 9: come to us, We're going to go to you kind
Speaker 9: of things. So we did a showcase with all our artists.
Speaker 9: Guess who they picked Willa Her name is Willa am I.
Speaker 9: They picked her for this big campaign for quick books
Speaker 9: and we had to do this version of a harder, faster, big, better.
Speaker 8: Stronger, harder faster.
Speaker 9: But I mean it was the weirdest song they wanted
Speaker 9: organic and so we did it, number one Shazam song.
Speaker 9: They paid for a radio tour for her, you know,
Speaker 9: And but I'm still holding back. I'm still not leting her,
Speaker 9: you know, doing them, still like she's got to learn,
Speaker 9: you know you label since yes, but after that it
Speaker 9: was like she wanted it and and I was like,
Speaker 9: I gotta see, I gotta understand what I'm dealing with
Speaker 9: I can't put you out there, kid, and she's like,
Speaker 9: I want it, I want it.
Speaker 8: But she looks like she's like.
Speaker 9: Maybe eighteen or nineteen. Her voice and the way she
Speaker 9: writes songs. So I played Jimmy iving this song that
Speaker 9: she wrote before Jimmy, you know, took off. I play
Speaker 9: him the song Scars that she wrote, and he I,
Speaker 9: you know, I've known Jimmy a very long time and
Speaker 9: I've never had this experience with him.
Speaker 8: He was just like lit up.
Speaker 9: And he turns around and he looks at me and
Speaker 9: he's like, you know what you got? And I'm all
Speaker 9: what He's like, you got the cool Taylor Swift. He's like, congratulations, finally,
Speaker 9: you know. But it's like, but the thing is, she's
Speaker 9: been in playing with bands. She knows what a rehearsal
Speaker 9: room is, she knows how to play in front of
Speaker 9: five people. Now she's going to do this radio show
Speaker 9: in Vegas, you know, you know, with Jewel, And I
Speaker 9: mean it's like I've been baby stepping her all the
Speaker 9: way and not letting it get too far. So it's
Speaker 9: out of her hands. It's only moving this fast because
Speaker 9: she wants it. But she's capable of handling, but I'm
Speaker 9: still holding it back. She's still fourteen. But anyways, that's
Speaker 9: my point. So you know what I did with her.
Speaker 9: I nurtured her. I got her to a point so
Speaker 9: she understood what it was like to write songs and
Speaker 9: be in a rehearsal room. You know, did interviews, did
Speaker 9: fake interviews, been you know, photoing her, you know, getting
Speaker 9: following her and helping her, you know, understand who she is.
Speaker 8: And this girl knows who she is.
Speaker 9: So the answer you're fucking long winded, I'm so, is yes,
Speaker 9: we need to bring back development.
Speaker 8: Yes it's called development.
Speaker 1: Where do you have the patience for that? Because now
Speaker 1: I almost feel like, of all the episodes we've done,
Speaker 1: this is the episode I've been waiting for it because
Speaker 1: I have no patience whatsoever to put in the work
Speaker 1: to develop people, to listen to people, to like all
Speaker 1: the nineteen jobs. Well no, no, no, but part of
Speaker 1: me like not really want to. I just to babysit
Speaker 1: and you know, the motherfuckers I got a babysit y.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, And that's the thing. It's just like it
Speaker 1: takes you really have to care as a person. And
Speaker 1: I know you're like, I'm blunt, I'm honest with you
Speaker 1: and whatever, but it's like you obviously you care. Where
Speaker 1: is it? How did you not even even after uh
Speaker 1: the rise of the Fast Rise of Four Non Blondes
Speaker 1: and you guys selling seven seven million units of that album? Like,
Speaker 1: how did you not between ninety five and when Pink
Speaker 1: called you ninety nine? Would you say, like, how are
Speaker 1: you not bitter or angry about the situation of of
Speaker 1: what happened in between that time that led you to
Speaker 1: where you are now where you're giving back in your
Speaker 1: your patient and you know how to coach people, teach
Speaker 1: us how to care about people. Well, I keep hearing
Speaker 1: about this whole empathy thing and I just don't.
Speaker 8: Well, let me tell you this.
Speaker 9: So when you say, I believe when you are honest,
Speaker 9: you do care, Like you care enough. You know, most
Speaker 9: people don't care, so they won't be honest because caring,
Speaker 9: being honest takes energy.
Speaker 8: So just remember it that way. We do care when
Speaker 8: we're talking and we're being honest.
Speaker 1: Wait, can I add something in our part of the
Speaker 1: on our side of the tracks? Okay, honestly gets you shot,
Speaker 1: not necessarily Okay, this dog if okay, take take the
Speaker 1: mister Magic Carris one situation of eighty six. Now let's
Speaker 1: just take it to let's let's go to nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: Like you know, you say something can't feel a certain way.
Speaker 1: It's almost like I feel when people come to me
Speaker 1: like yo, yo, guess before you real quick. It's almost
Speaker 1: like I don't think you want my honest opinion. I
Speaker 1: think you want a sign. Yeah, like you want me to.
Speaker 8: Champion you, right, But that that's honesty right there. But
Speaker 8: I think that what I would hope that we.
Speaker 1: Learn, let's turn me off. Like I can say that
Speaker 1: maybe six people in my entire twenty five years, six
Speaker 1: people have I've actually just said, Okay, I feel something here,
Speaker 1: I'll listen to it, and it's changed my life, like
Speaker 1: his band and five other people. And but now I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about, wow, those those thousand other like John Legend
Speaker 1: is one of those people. Is like, I gave you
Speaker 1: all a chance, and y'all didn't hear me. But I digress.
Speaker 1: I think he didn't come up to me. He might
Speaker 1: have went to Tarik. But I'm saying, like you're willing
Speaker 1: to jump in the pool and you're willing to to
Speaker 1: get dirty with them?
Speaker 8: Well, I have a mission. I'm on a mission.
Speaker 1: Like to me, what is your mission?
Speaker 8: My mission is I love.
Speaker 9: Music and everything that falls under it, Like it is
Speaker 9: my job and duty as one of these people in
Speaker 9: this business to protect it, you know. So honesty to
Speaker 9: me is protecting the it's you know, the integrity of
Speaker 9: music and helping out more in people and raising the bar.
Speaker 9: I mean, come on, guys, I mean, let's just all
Speaker 9: face it. The bar is so fucking low a fucking
Speaker 9: amp can't crawl under it right now.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 9: It's like, but there's great stuff, but you know, I'm
Speaker 9: just talking about in general, there's a low bar.
Speaker 1: There's no entry level, Like there ain't no classes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, like with the music industry, like it accepts
Speaker 5: all kinds and so there's no kind of regimen or
Speaker 5: anything that you have to follow. Like with you, like
Speaker 5: just that stir you're telling about how you developed your
Speaker 5: artists and was like, Yo, go write five songs, Go
Speaker 5: write six songs. That is something that is totally foreign
Speaker 5: in on our side of the world with hip hop,
Speaker 5: because hip hop is automatically just seen as something that
Speaker 5: you can just jump in.
Speaker 9: Well, I think though, if we so for me, the patients.
Speaker 9: I didn't have a lot of patients in for non blowns.
Speaker 9: I learned patients. I learned a lot, you know, as
Speaker 9: much as I could say that, you know, that experience,
Speaker 9: I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't like the album, you know, persn't like that.
Speaker 8: I didn't like No.
Speaker 9: I probably listened to the album maybe three or four times.
Speaker 9: It was a hard album to listen to because it's
Speaker 9: not it didn't reflect who I was and writing, production,
Speaker 9: the production and just yeah, the sound was just again
Speaker 9: I didn't know, but I was just drawn to sound.
Speaker 9: It didn't sound like Zeppelin and it didn't sound like
Speaker 9: the Beatles. It sounded like this washed down kind of
Speaker 9: thin kind of weirdness, you know.
Speaker 1: Going in in your mind. What did you want that
Speaker 1: album to be before you hit note number one? You know,
Speaker 1: was this going to be your house? Is it the
Speaker 1: Holy Like?
Speaker 8: No, No, I didn't.
Speaker 9: I wasn't experienced something like this was the first band
Speaker 9: I was I have ever been in. Like when I
Speaker 9: was in San Francisco, I played acoustic.
Speaker 8: It was solo. It was Linda Perry solo act.
Speaker 9: And I was kind of developing a name around San
Speaker 9: Francisco as this girl you call that could get up
Speaker 9: on stage, and I was powerful, you know.
Speaker 8: I was like small and got up on it.
Speaker 9: And people liked having just a you know, acoustic act
Speaker 9: jump up on stage because you didn't have to do
Speaker 9: all the changeovers, you know. So I would jump up
Speaker 9: and I started getting a really big name. And that's
Speaker 9: how this band found me. They were already a band
Speaker 9: and they asked.
Speaker 1: Me to join.
Speaker 9: So when I joined the band, you know, I was
Speaker 9: just it seemed fun and I didn't really have any
Speaker 9: intention except for I just knew earlier on in my
Speaker 9: life I was going to be somebody, whether that's a
Speaker 9: tennis player, police officer, or whatever. I was going to
Speaker 9: be somebody that people were going to know. And so
Speaker 9: that's all I geared my my life. My journey was
Speaker 9: always on that I'm going to be somebody. So when
Speaker 9: four non blocs happened, I just quickly figured out, like, oh,
Speaker 9: these are the things I don't like. These are you know,
Speaker 9: Like I didn't like the band constantly being upset at
Speaker 9: me because I was getting more attention than they were.
Speaker 9: And I would say, well, why don't you guys fucking
Speaker 9: you know, write a song At three o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 9: like I'm doing, and then you can have songwriting. Because
Speaker 9: they were mad that I wouldn't give them songwriting credit
Speaker 9: on songs that I was writing.
Speaker 8: I'm like, I'm not.
Speaker 9: Not, you know. So I was kind of a dick,
Speaker 9: you know. In for non Blunde, I was angry all
Speaker 9: the time. I didn't like being told what to do.
Speaker 9: I wanted to perform when I wanted. I was very rebellious,
Speaker 9: you know, and you know, I've walked out many situations
Speaker 9: that I should not have, you.
Speaker 8: Know, done.
Speaker 9: And finally I got to a point on the second
Speaker 9: record and said I can't do it. I had written
Speaker 9: all these great songs that were more like The Wall,
Speaker 9: you know and Pink Floyd the Wall, and and it
Speaker 9: was very you know, it was deep, it was it
Speaker 9: just filled my soul, you know, in my and my
Speaker 9: voice was lower. I was like just brooding and unhappy
Speaker 9: and depressed, and but it was beautiful to me, you know.
Speaker 8: And they were like, uh, where can you guys? Can
Speaker 8: you write.
Speaker 9: Something a little more like our old album, our last record,
Speaker 9: And I said, fuck you, no, I can't, you know.
Speaker 9: And then I went to the label and said please
Speaker 9: let me out. So eventually out of being a little
Speaker 9: crazy to Tom Wally. Tom Wally let me out of
Speaker 9: the deal, Sokerton.
Speaker 8: What do you call that? Yeah, I pulled a good
Speaker 8: one on him, and you know it was pretty funny.
Speaker 9: But so the patients came through that those years. You know,
Speaker 9: I learned what I didn't like about being in for
Speaker 9: no Blons, I learned what I did like. I learned
Speaker 9: that I was way more powerful as a collaborator and
Speaker 9: someone who could be patient with people, and and that
Speaker 9: the the girl that was not collaborating, that had the
Speaker 9: ego that was just you know, throwing everything down and
Speaker 9: not being patient, was the weaker me. So I just
Speaker 9: I just jumped into my power. So that space in
Speaker 9: time allowed me to learn a little bit about who
Speaker 9: I was and what I was capable of doing. So
Speaker 9: the universe then sent me Pink and everything that followed.
Speaker 1: So were you thrown off when she called you? You said,
Speaker 1: she calls you out the blue?
Speaker 8: Yeah, she left me a message.
Speaker 9: I got this message because my girlfriend at the time
Speaker 9: was her makeup artist, or her friend was her makeup
Speaker 9: artist or anyways, So she just left me a message.
Speaker 8: You know, is this Lenna Perry.
Speaker 9: This is my name's Pink, and I want to write
Speaker 9: a song with you or you sing on my album,
Speaker 9: and if you don't call me back, I'm gonna come
Speaker 9: stock you.
Speaker 8: If I got your number, I can find your address.
Speaker 1: You know something crazy life.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you're just like and it changed mine, you know,
Speaker 9: and it really it made me a collaborator. And then
Speaker 9: you know, from then is that was the downfall because
Speaker 9: immediately after that, I ran into Christina Aguileraa in a
Speaker 9: in a club and Dallas Austin just played like he
Speaker 9: was trying to impress her with what he did on
Speaker 9: Pink's record, but instead it every time she picked a song,
Speaker 9: who did that one?
Speaker 8: He was like, that's Linda Perry. Who did that one?
Speaker 9: Linda Perry. So it was pretty funny that. So I,
Speaker 9: you know, I saw her sitting alone.
Speaker 8: First of all. That was kind of strange. She was alone.
Speaker 8: Friends were in a bodyguard right in front, and she waved.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 9: I came as hey, you know I met her once
Speaker 9: and she's like, you know, let her in, and so
Speaker 9: I said, how you doing. She'sa liked blah blah blah,
Speaker 9: and she's like, I love the stuff that you did
Speaker 9: with Pink. I'm like, oh great, I go I heard
Speaker 9: your working on an album and she's like, yeah, I go. Hey,
Speaker 9: if I were you, I would really use that darkness,
Speaker 9: that depression that you got going on, because it probably listen,
Speaker 9: everybody knows that you can sing, but no one knows
Speaker 9: that you actually can feel what you're singing, and it
Speaker 9: really will come in to benefit your your your sadness.
Speaker 9: And she just like, I mean, And then I was like, oh,
Speaker 9: I see you later, and then I started leaving and
Speaker 9: then my friend he's like, what did you just say
Speaker 9: to Christina Aguilar. I'm like why, and he's like, because
Speaker 9: she's watching you and her mouth is on the ground,
Speaker 9: and I'm like, well, I just told her that people
Speaker 9: want to, you know. And then she called me a
Speaker 9: week later, you know, and that obviously it was not
Speaker 9: my intention. I was just being honest, but you know,
Speaker 9: so theirs were for me. And then I love Christina.
Speaker 9: We collaborated and done some incredible things together, but I
Speaker 9: call her on her stuff all the time.
Speaker 1: How did you manage to get that performance of beautiful
Speaker 1: out of her? Because I know that what you managed
Speaker 1: to do for that song, like I know that you
Speaker 1: know from what I know of Christina, Oh, you were
Speaker 1: on that album too. I forgot. Yeah, yeah, I forgot
Speaker 1: I was on that album.
Speaker 9: All right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's my thing. My thing is that the thing
Speaker 1: that I'm most impressed about that song is the fact
Speaker 1: that you took her defensing, her shield away, because I
Speaker 1: feel like her flexing her going from zero to sixty
Speaker 1: on the audiobar like instantly. The fact that you took
Speaker 1: all that away and just left her vulnerable at least,
Speaker 1: that was my impression in hearing Beautiful. How were you
Speaker 1: able to keep the record people at Bay, and keep
Speaker 1: Christina's management at Bay and Christina herself at Bay and
Speaker 1: pull that performance out of her? Because I would have
Speaker 1: instantly thought hearing the song, okay, it's Grammy time. That's
Speaker 1: her diva moment, you know, gown, She's gonna open the
Speaker 1: Grammy Sparkles, sing the shit out, Mariah, the shit out
Speaker 1: that song. And you didn't. How did you pull the
Speaker 1: layers away and get that particular performance out of her?
Speaker 8: It is completely organic.
Speaker 9: I wish I could, you know, say that I did
Speaker 9: something amazing, But the truth is I said that, you know,
Speaker 9: she wanted the song.
Speaker 8: I had already written the song, and.
Speaker 9: I said, well, in order to get this, I need
Speaker 9: to hear you sing it, because you know, when I
Speaker 9: wrote the song, it was me, you know, and my
Speaker 9: insecurities of not feeling like a beautiful person, you know,
Speaker 9: and the using those words to try to find some
Speaker 9: kind of strength, you know, using those words Linda, you're beautiful.
Speaker 9: Come on, don't worry, don't listen to what other people say,
Speaker 9: like the real moment for me. So I'm looking at
Speaker 9: this girl that has it all, that's you know, pretty
Speaker 9: and popular. It's like, there's no fucking way this girl
Speaker 9: is gonna understand and relate to this song. So I said, Okay,
Speaker 9: I need to hear you sing it. So again recorded
Speaker 9: her vocal right in that other room over there and
Speaker 9: sat with the piano. I put the piano down, and
Speaker 9: then she brought a friend, you know, So I was like.
Speaker 9: She came back a week later and said, okay, and
Speaker 9: I need to hear you sing it. So what gave
Speaker 9: her the lyrics? And she sat there and this is truth.
Speaker 9: I just pushed play and I go, you're good, and
Speaker 9: she's like yeah, And she had the demo to work
Speaker 9: with at home, you know, and she's all nervous, and
Speaker 9: I push and record, and then she literally says to
Speaker 9: her friend, don't look at me. You know something about
Speaker 9: that It showed me, Oh, she's just like me. You know,
Speaker 9: she might look different than I do, but she is
Speaker 9: exactly she feels the same. And then she sang that
Speaker 9: song from start to finished, and then I got chills
Speaker 9: and I said, that's my vocal. And she's like, she's like,
Speaker 9: she's like, what do you mean that's the vocal. I'm like,
Speaker 9: that's my fucking vocal. I knew it, and she was
Speaker 9: like no, you know, I'm like whatever, and so I just,
Speaker 9: you know, just whatever. So I built then I built
Speaker 9: the track around that. So I got the strings, I
Speaker 9: played live, had a live band. We've sat there and
Speaker 9: to the click and just played to her vocal and
Speaker 9: because all she was singing to was a piano, and
Speaker 9: so I just knew that was my vocal.
Speaker 8: There's no way she was going to be able to
Speaker 8: do that again.
Speaker 9: And you can hear you know the paper, you know,
Speaker 9: And and so there was two things in the bridge
Speaker 9: we needed to hit. There was two high notes that
Speaker 9: she's like, please, can I at least get those? I'm
Speaker 9: like yeah, And then she wanted to re sing the
Speaker 9: whole song seven months, you know, bugging me and I'm
Speaker 9: like no, no, no. And then finally, so we go
Speaker 9: to it on Conway or whatever. I'm like, okay, let's
Speaker 9: go get these two notes. And she was like, no,
Speaker 9: can I just sing it? I know I can sing
Speaker 9: it better. I go, I know you can sing it better,
Speaker 9: but that's not what's needed. So I was like, she's like,
Speaker 9: just give me a chance. So I'm like okay, so
Speaker 9: I push, you know, and.
Speaker 8: She's like, every dam last stopped. I just stopped. And
Speaker 8: she's like, what are you doing.
Speaker 9: I'm like, you're fucking it up already, you know, And
Speaker 9: she's like, you're right. And then she she finally just
Speaker 9: got she just you know, she's you're right, I'm gonna
Speaker 9: ruin it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was too. It was too. I love singers
Speaker 1: when they don't reach yep and no one. People rarely
Speaker 1: trust that process. Like I can't wait for the day
Speaker 1: when Mariah realizes that. I mean, just everyone who sangs,
Speaker 1: I can't wait for them to realize that because I
Speaker 1: feel like that's a defense shield, Like you're handing me
Speaker 1: your resume, and this is what I can do. All
Speaker 1: these acrobatic things I can do in thirteen sets sing
Speaker 1: the damn Medaldy, Yeah, and people don't trust it. Like
Speaker 1: if you listen to Aretha Franklin's version of a song
Speaker 1: for You, the way that she mangles the words bad rhyme,
Speaker 1: she literally she sings it flat and off key as
Speaker 1: the character of the song. I know she was just
Speaker 1: saying I say something bad round or whatever. But to me,
Speaker 1: it's like I love when singers go dry, but it's
Speaker 1: so hard to convince them not to do otherwise. And
Speaker 1: I know that for her, her go to thing is
Speaker 1: instantly and I was like, how did you manage that miracle?
Speaker 1: So she just thought she was doing a drive run
Speaker 1: through and that was it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And it did.
Speaker 9: And it was interesting because you know, I think she
Speaker 9: came out with that dirty song first and they pull
Speaker 9: that shit so fast and it was like beautiful just
Speaker 9: went right in and you know, in a sense, saved
Speaker 9: the day. But the wonderful thing about that it really
Speaker 9: did get people to experience her in a different way
Speaker 9: and I and I feel really proud, more proud in
Speaker 9: that moment because no matter what anybody wants to say
Speaker 9: about Christina, and believe.
Speaker 8: Me, you know, I get on her. But she knows that.
Speaker 8: But she is a very very talented girl.
Speaker 9: Like there's it's crazy her ears like you could have
Speaker 9: a sixty piece orchestra, eight piece band, whatever going on, singers, gospel,
Speaker 9: all of it. And she will hear the one violin
Speaker 9: that went out of tune at this spot and she,
Speaker 9: you know, will go, what's that? And I'll go, what
Speaker 9: do you mean? And I hear it, but she's but
Speaker 9: I'm thinking, there's no fucking way she can hear that.
Speaker 9: And she's like right there, and I'm like, we're right here,
Speaker 9: and I'll test her again, and I'll go and see
Speaker 9: if she's just saying things, and I'll test it again
Speaker 9: and she sas like, no, not there. I'm like right there,
Speaker 9: and it'll be I'll solo everything, and there's like a
Speaker 9: violin that's just out Like her, she's very very talented,
Speaker 9: and but she doesn't trust her talent enough. And that's
Speaker 9: what happens with a lot of these you know artists,
Speaker 9: you know, these singers, they don't trust themselves. Like when
Speaker 9: Aretha goes on stage, Aretha sings from her heart. When
Speaker 9: Janis Joplin got on stage, she reached out, closed her
Speaker 9: eyes and she was channeling god knows what, but it
Speaker 9: wasn't singing. She was feeling, you know. And I think
Speaker 9: that's the part that everybody keeps forgetting. They keep forgetting
Speaker 9: there's an emotion attached to these lyrics. But here's here's
Speaker 9: the thing that's gonna really blow up everything for you guys.
Speaker 9: Janis Joplin, you know, Aretha is gonna be a different story.
Speaker 9: But right now you have to understand a lot of
Speaker 9: these girls aren't writing these songs and these lyrics, so
Speaker 9: they don't have any emotional connection. Now, why my songs
Speaker 9: with artists sound so good is because I always demo them,
Speaker 9: even with the Alicia Alicia Keith is love the way
Speaker 9: I sang, She's like, can you demo that you know
Speaker 9: for me? And just love my my where I drop things,
Speaker 9: my phrasing, my emotion, because I could. I'm a you know,
Speaker 9: I feel you know, I'm in it. I don't care.
Speaker 9: I don't care if there's one person here or a million.
Speaker 9: I will give you the greatest show you've ever experienced
Speaker 9: because it's just what I do.
Speaker 8: It's who I am. But these girls don't know that experience.
Speaker 9: They don't understand because First of all, they don't have
Speaker 9: the experience of playing to people and getting that feedback,
Speaker 9: you know, and they don't they're not writing these songs,
Speaker 9: so they don't know how to give and deliver. They
Speaker 9: don't know how to deliver these songs because they don't.
Speaker 9: And then the people who are writing it, they're just
Speaker 9: getting session singers to sing it straight.
Speaker 8: And that kink dank dunk thank ding ding thing, you know,
Speaker 8: like this the you know, like.
Speaker 9: Fucking what's his fight? You know, fucking ass the doctor
Speaker 9: Luke and is the same fucking lyric over and over
Speaker 9: the same and you know, the same fucking format, their arrangement,
Speaker 9: the same content, the same tone, the same everything. That
Speaker 9: motherfucker gives the same song over and over and over,
Speaker 9: and that's what these girls are hearing. But it's going
Speaker 9: number one. It's going fucking number one. It's all over
Speaker 9: the place. So they're just they're used to being robots.
Speaker 9: They're not used to singing like Aretha God Forbid. And
Speaker 9: did you guys ever see the Divas.
Speaker 8: With Theretha Clean Carrey and Glory Sevon.
Speaker 9: It was the did you see that moment where it
Speaker 9: was so I mean I laughed, it was so awesome,
Speaker 9: and they're all singing the song, and then they're all
Speaker 9: stepping in taking there, and then Aretha just.
Speaker 8: Gets right in from them, and it's almost like it's
Speaker 8: a sing off.
Speaker 9: And then I think Lean was the last one, and
Speaker 9: then they all just trickle off because you can't compete
Speaker 9: with Aretha Franklin because she's coming from a different place,
Speaker 9: Like that voice is coming from a.
Speaker 8: It's not she's not singing, she's she's she's having an experience.
Speaker 8: She's excusing your emotions, you know, And that's what we're
Speaker 8: missing right now.
Speaker 7: Well, what about the singer songwriter girls that are like
Speaker 7: really popular now, what about like the I'm scared to
Speaker 7: say these names. We'll see the scissors, the hers and
Speaker 7: I love and then before them. I still there's there's
Speaker 7: still some singer songwriters out there, like Jill, there's the Erica's,
Speaker 7: there's the Marsha Ambrose's. They don't get to shine, but
Speaker 7: there are some. I just wanted to at least say
Speaker 7: that name.
Speaker 1: The thing is also and the common the common uh
Speaker 1: denominator with we can go to we can go to Phyllis,
Speaker 1: we can go to Whitney, we can go to UH
Speaker 1: like a lot of these women are also you know,
Speaker 1: when they're first presented, it's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: they're the first lady, they're the princess of a particular
Speaker 1: label head. Yeah, a label head that takes them, and
Speaker 1: then you know, it's like, eh, fifteen years later, you're
Speaker 1: kind of disposable. And I feel as though oftentimes they're
Speaker 1: like a racetrack and they're either looking in their rearview
Speaker 1: mirror or they know that someone's behind them.
Speaker 7: It usually happens they Clydes Grammy party every year, right,
Speaker 7: whenever he presents whoever the next right.
Speaker 1: And So what I'm asking is, and I know you
Speaker 1: have relationships with a lot of these label heads, so
Speaker 1: without necessarily totally throwing them under the bus, but I
Speaker 1: feel like I won't even ask you, do you feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like we need a complete overhaul. And
Speaker 1: I asked this question of Jimmy jam and also of Usher.
Speaker 1: Are you willing to eventually one day stop being the
Speaker 1: creative and be the new run Fair and be Jimmy Ivan?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 1: But I mean to the place, But I still feel
Speaker 1: like their level of hierarchy, It's like, right now, it's
Speaker 1: either you're either dealing with Jimmy Ivan or you're dealing
Speaker 1: with who's head of Sony. No, I don't have right
Speaker 1: or r C eight like it's like whoever the main
Speaker 1: three are. And almost feel as though we have to
Speaker 1: completely once we overhaul that system and replace them with
Speaker 1: people who are actual that get their hands dirty, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. No more lawyers running the companies.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, to let you know what I'm doing right
Speaker 9: now at a company called we are Here, and we're
Speaker 9: a record label. We're a publishing company, and we manage
Speaker 9: I manage an artist named Dorothy, that's rock Nation. I
Speaker 9: manage a girl named Angel Hayes.
Speaker 1: You guys might know.
Speaker 9: Okay, we have Willa, this fourteen year old, and she's
Speaker 9: also on the label. I have on the label artist
Speaker 9: from UK named Lyon, a guy named Pete Mullinari from
Speaker 9: UK as well, and Natasha Beddingfield and I'm working on
Speaker 9: her album. So the whole point of this record company
Speaker 9: was to develop artists. Dorothy Willa, you know, we're developed.
Speaker 9: Even though she's on Rock Nation, she might as well,
Speaker 9: you know, not be on a label because you know,
Speaker 9: we're doing more work than they are. And I love Benny.
Speaker 9: I think he's great. But you know right now that
Speaker 9: man's afraid of me right now, you know, because I
Speaker 9: have to get on them so much about I don't
Speaker 9: know what you guys are doing.
Speaker 8: But this is a rock and roll act.
Speaker 9: And you don't put a single out every day, you know,
Speaker 9: it's like you build and work an album. Right, So
Speaker 9: they're getting it and now they're stepping up to the table.
Speaker 9: But so the purpose of the label is so our
Speaker 9: management agreements are basically handshakes. If you don't, if you're
Speaker 9: not with, if you don't, if you're not happy, we're
Speaker 9: doing something wrong. I don't want to hold myself to you.
Speaker 9: Our record deals are like my son can read the contract.
Speaker 9: They're like, you know, paper thin, just like you know,
Speaker 9: really just like four five pages in that we're developing them,
Speaker 9: we're with them. The publishing deal I just signed a
Speaker 9: deal with I have a partner, Carrie Brown is my partner,
Speaker 9: and we just did a deal with Peer Music JV
Speaker 9: for all our songwriters.
Speaker 8: I have a deal.
Speaker 9: Distributing with Universal in Germany. It's a JV. And so
Speaker 9: a lot is going on and the whole purpose. We
Speaker 9: just bought a record pressing plant so I can press records,
Speaker 9: and we're going to have shows there and if you're
Speaker 9: not capable of playing a show on your own, and
Speaker 9: because it's going to go right to record, it goes
Speaker 9: right to vinyl, we can record right to the lay.
Speaker 9: And then we just bought a store front right on
Speaker 9: Ventura Boulevard in Studio O City, and it's going to
Speaker 9: be our offices up on top and downstairs will be
Speaker 9: our record store. We're gonna have merch, we're gonna have
Speaker 9: a We're going to have a stage and a recording
Speaker 9: studio there that is going to be for kids to
Speaker 9: come there and meet other kids that want to be
Speaker 9: in bands. You can showcase your material there. Our doors
Speaker 9: will always be open for anybody to come in and
Speaker 9: to express themselves, listen to records, and all the records
Speaker 9: that we make from our vinyl, the live records will
Speaker 9: be available that we are here. We're building a community.
Speaker 9: So I want to get done with the Natasha record.
Speaker 9: I have one other thing i gotta do and then
Speaker 9: I'm done in here.
Speaker 1: And then I'm what does that mean? I'm done in here?
Speaker 9: That means I'm getting myself out of the songwriter. I'll
Speaker 9: always be a songwriter. But producer out of the studio
Speaker 9: and then I will run my label. Right now, I'm I'm, I'm,
Speaker 9: you know, David's here to help me make sure that
Speaker 9: I'm not missing anything.
Speaker 8: I'm on the phone. I call radio station.
Speaker 9: Like our our artist Dorothy, I called radio station because
Speaker 9: she's a rock act. Breaking a rock act is hard,
Speaker 9: you know, and so there's a different way. So I
Speaker 9: called radio stations myself. Hey, you know, this is Linda,
Speaker 9: what right I manage an artist named Dorothy? And I
Speaker 9: want to give you know, I want you to hear
Speaker 9: it and see what you think. And I would love
Speaker 9: to do something with you guys, and would love your support.
Speaker 9: I can't believe you're calling us. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 9: radio was really good to my band, and I want
Speaker 9: to make sure that my artists understand how valuable radio
Speaker 9: is still today, you know, and they love it. We
Speaker 9: bring our artists in, I mean, so I've developed all
Speaker 9: these you know, we got Dorothy all way up to
Speaker 9: number eight on the rock charts, and then it was
Speaker 9: only rock Nation that fucked that all up by not
Speaker 9: paying for the next round of installment for a radio promotion,
Speaker 9: and we lost it.
Speaker 8: And they were going into number five.
Speaker 9: We were going in top five, and those motherfuckers pulled
Speaker 9: it without telling us, and my god, that man got
Speaker 9: such a reaming, you know, and that he came into
Speaker 9: my studio with his tail between his legs. And they
Speaker 9: understand what they did wrong. They didn't understand at the time,
Speaker 9: but they didn't believe us. They didn't believe that we'd
Speaker 9: get her to top twenty, you know. And then we
Speaker 9: got to top twenty, we got to top ten, and
Speaker 9: we're going to number five. We're going to number five anyways.
Speaker 9: But so that's what I'm talking about. I'm a manager,
Speaker 9: I'm a label executive, and I'm a songwriter. But all
Speaker 9: of it goes together because my bigger fight is not
Speaker 9: in here. My bigger fight is out there. And so
Speaker 9: yes am I that right now? I can call anybody
Speaker 9: I want and probably get them on the telephone.
Speaker 8: But am I Jimmy Ivy No? But will I be
Speaker 8: at the level Jimmy Ivy? Yes I will.
Speaker 9: And I'm my label, But my label is doing something
Speaker 9: very different right now. We're doing some really great things
Speaker 9: and it's about community. It's about you know, these kids,
Speaker 9: it's about showing that you do care and with a
Speaker 9: little bit of patience. You can go a long way
Speaker 9: with an artist because it takes just a little bit
Speaker 9: for them to last a long time.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: I feel happy. It's beautiful what you're doing. I love it.
Speaker 1: It sounds amazing. Thank you. Wow, I'm super light. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you very much for talking to us today, Honor.
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Speaker 1: once again you for having me. I'm actually going to
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Speaker 7: Everything. You can start with that, and.
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