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Speaker 1: Of Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This

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Speaker 1: classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora.

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Speaker 2: Hey It's unpaid bill check out singer songwriter Linda Perry.

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Speaker 2: She talks about her musical beginnings with four non blonds

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Speaker 2: and how she creates chart topping hits for stars like

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Speaker 2: A Dell and Pink. Originally released November twenty eighth, twenty.

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Speaker 3: Eighteen, It is Supremo so So Supremo roll Call, Suprema

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Speaker 3: so Some Supremo roll call, Suprema Sun Son Supremo roll call,

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Speaker 3: Subprema Sun Sun Supremo.

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Speaker 1: Roll call, What's going on?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Supremo Sun So Supremo roll call ever Supremo so

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Speaker 4: So Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 5: Her name is Spante Yeah, and I must respond.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and let y'all know. Yeah, I was the fifth

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Speaker 1: non blonde.

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Speaker 6: Son Supremo role called Suprema Sun Supremo role.

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Speaker 1: Called my sub Supreme. Yeah, we're reaching new heights. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: with four non blonde Yeah, and four non whites.

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Speaker 6: Supreme Suprema Son, Suprema roll quls.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was giving you more. Yeah, she was about to start. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what you waiting for?

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Speaker 6: Suppreva Sun Sign Supremo, role called Suprema Son Sign Supremo

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Speaker 6: roll called. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Hey, I say, yeah, yeah, what's going.

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Speaker 1: On Suprema so Supremo roll.

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Speaker 8: My name is Linda. Yeah, I just talked over you. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: and I'm here, Yeah, and I am God Clue.

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Speaker 6: Supremo Supremo Supremo roll Supprema son Sun Supremo roll call

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Speaker 6: Suprema Supremo roll.

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Speaker 7: Can I just say it once? No?

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Speaker 1: No, no, do over? We haven't sound like, well I

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Speaker 1: already beat you to it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I told you not to do that.

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Speaker 7: I said yesterday, you can't.

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Speaker 1: Can't. You can't establish rules to roll call.

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Speaker 4: We do it all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we do it all like you're you. You should

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Speaker 1: know already. We've been at this for two years.

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Speaker 7: And then when I told you I asked you not

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Speaker 7: to do it, he was like, oh, that's easy anyway.

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Speaker 1: No, not at all. I'm just saying that you have

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Speaker 1: the hardest because you're in your last second to the

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Speaker 1: guest of the show, so you have to figure out Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I always write like.

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Speaker 7: Three, Yeah, let's us learn. Sorry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, it's cool.

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Speaker 8: I think I had the toughest position.

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Speaker 9: You guys heard, Yeah, I like, I walked, I talked

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Speaker 9: over you, I made my amends to it, and you're.

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Speaker 1: A what's the difference? I want again? So now you're

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Speaker 1: feeling yourself after a few weeks of being off anyway,

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Speaker 1: what's up? Welcome to another episode of Quest of Supreme

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Speaker 1: only on Pandora. We got a team Supreme with us.

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Speaker 1: Hello guys, Hello, Hello? What we are live at? Wait

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Speaker 1: now I forgot the the pun behind the here word.

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Speaker 1: We are here are h A R h A R

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Speaker 1: we are we are here at? We are here h

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Speaker 1: g A R studios, Uh, the the the lovely digs,

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Speaker 1: the home digs. A studio with windows. Yes, that's a

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Speaker 1: novel idea with good scenery.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, we're always in the dark, so it's

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Speaker 9: nice to see the outside and know what time it is.

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Speaker 9: And it actually, honestly, I think makes my players play

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Speaker 9: better because they feel like inspired and energetic and no

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Speaker 8: And then they can go jump in the pool if

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to move in already anyway. Our guest

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Speaker 1: today is a songwriting producing heavyweight, having pinned hits and

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Speaker 1: anthems for notables such as Gwen Stefani, Pink, Courtney Love,

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Speaker 1: Alicia keys Lee, Dion Etheridge, Lunch, James Blunt, cheap Trick, Faith, Hilled,

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Speaker 1: Britney Spears, Chalise, Ziggy Marley, everybody, my mother, my fifth

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Speaker 1: grade teacher, the name I haven't heard in a long time,

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Speaker 1: Janice Ian. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, I believe she

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Speaker 1: won a gram Me uh last year for a spoken word. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she owns that category. So her new life as an author,

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Speaker 1: Dixie Chicks, Adam Lambert, Molly Cyrus and of course Christina

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Speaker 1: Please welcome singer, songwriter, producer, ranger, Award winner, engineer and

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Speaker 1: former non blonde, the one and only Linda Perry. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: so thank you, without without blowing up your spot too

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Speaker 1: much to our two thousand listeners.

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Speaker 8: Uh, this this is more than they told me.

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Speaker 1: No, but this, this is a very unique situation that

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Speaker 1: we're in. Usually like home studios, people in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: what I'm looking at right now, and I can't describe

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Speaker 5: I would describe this as a house on HG DV

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Speaker 5: Householters that the couple would pick.

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Speaker 7: The one of property brothers that they show you in

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Speaker 7: the beginning, and they say, well you can't afford that.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, there would be the house.

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Speaker 5: To like the humble house, the humbling house. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 5: I love this, this, open this, how much you think

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Speaker 5: this colls? This house is two point four million dollars,

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Speaker 5: Get the fuck out, return.

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Speaker 9: To the press, or love it or listed when they

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Speaker 9: show you that really nice house and they never picked

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Speaker 9: that one for some reason, they always go, let's let's

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna love it. It's a cozy, comfy atmosphere.

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Speaker 1: And usually artists I know either overdo it, like you know,

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Speaker 1: some people take pilgrimage trips to Hawaii orwaim Wait why

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Speaker 1: it like you know, a lot of the classic Wu

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Speaker 1: out into wasn't Teddy Riley still producing in the exactly

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Speaker 1: Jackson's Dangerous album still inside his lucky projects, Like that's

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Speaker 8: I want to go show you my cars now.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, my son has a better car than I do.

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Speaker 9: It's like ga wagon out there. This is the well

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Speaker 9: one I I lived in San Francisco when I was

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Speaker 9: when I drive, and I just like to be in quiet.

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Speaker 9: It's just I like the piece, but time slower in

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Speaker 9: my No, I'll drive all the way from San Francisco's

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Speaker 8: I love to drive, and but I find it really meditating.

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Speaker 9: But so when I found this house, I liked that

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Speaker 9: I've done so many great fringing things here already, and

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Speaker 1: You know. Some Well, returning to our initial thing about

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Speaker 1: It just hit me that it makes sense because most

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Speaker 9: Well also for me, honestly, it's it's not even that

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Speaker 8: If there is anything other than music for me.

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Speaker 9: At night time, it's hard for me to go to

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Speaker 9: Well, it always was there. That That was the funny

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Speaker 9: who are feeling fear, it's like there is no fear

436
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 9: like actually, and in fact, I think there's gonna be

437
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 9: a wonderful, beautiful surge of incredible music that's going.

438
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 8: To be coming out.

439
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 9: We just need to What our job is is to

440
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 9: kind of clean up the foundation you know that we're

441
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 9: sitting on right now, because the business is so messed

442
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 9: up and the intentions are so bad that we have

443
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 9: to really just kind of make it. We have to

444
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 9: clean house a little bit so there is something for

445
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 9: these kids to come into and not be afraid to

446
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 9: you sign a record deal or be exposed in some

447
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 9: way or whatever that want to just show up and

448
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 9: perform and play.

449
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: And I'm so glad you didn't say drain this one.

450
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 8: I would not train this well.

451
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: Do you think in your experiences and you've experienced the

452
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: business as an artist, you've experienced the business as a label,

453
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: you've experienced it as a songwriter. So I'm certain that

454
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: from the interns to the president of the label, you've

455
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: had interaction with everything, do you well, I know that

456
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: the old modus operandi will eventually erode and be done

457
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: away with. But do you feel that there could be

458
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: a new system in which artists can get their fair

459
00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: share and make a living and still like where both

460
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: sides are happy, where you know, because I don't I

461
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: know that just to make great music, Like what's the

462
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: sense of making great music if you're in a forest

463
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: and no one hears the tree falling, you know, on

464
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 1: the other side of the world. So I don't want

465
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: to have to be a business person and an artist

466
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: at the same time. So do you think that there

467
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: will eventually be a system that will be fair enough

468
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 1: so that artists can make a living and make quality

469
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: music without having to shake their ass in a video

470
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: or do this hot collabo with this person? Do you

471
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: think you'll see that in your lifetime?

472
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,959
Speaker 9: Well, I mean that's a tricky question to be honest

473
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 9: for someone like me, because I believe that quality and

474
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 9: money don't go hand in hand, you know, Like, I don't.

475
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: Know, you need money to make quality, like as beautiful

476
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: as this environment that right, red Aalinn didn't, Patsy Klein didn't.

477
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 9: I mean, Carol King said in her room, And I mean, like,

478
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 9: I mean, that's where music comes from. It people made

479
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 9: incredible music with no money. I mean, it's just who

480
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 9: we are. Like, if I don't make any money from

481
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 9: here on out, it's not going to stop me from

482
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 9: being a performer or a songwriter and doing everything I

483
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 9: am and put everything that I am into what I'm doing,

484
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 9: because that's just who I am.

485
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 8: That's the that's the bar I live with on a

486
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 8: daily basis. I you know, I have to write.

487
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 9: It's it's my therapy, it's my it's who I am.

488
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 9: It's like brushing my teeth. Like it's not a choice,

489
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 9: it's just when it happens. I have to be available

490
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 9: to respond to it. You know what you're saying. Will

491
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 9: As a business person now, I think there's many outlets

492
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 9: that are going to make themselves available. I feel, are

493
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 9: we going to make the same money that we did

494
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 9: in the nineties.

495
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 8: No, we're not.

496
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: We're not.

497
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 9: It's not going to happen. But we got to remember

498
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 9: other things that are going on. It's what's happening right

499
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 9: now is making.

500
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 8: Okay, let's just go ahead and just say it.

501
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 9: It's turning people who are not talented into celebrities, right

502
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 9: and they're being able to make a shitload of money

503
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 9: based on you know this none talent to chrisma, right,

504
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 9: but let's even take that for a second. There's a

505
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 9: talent in that. There's a talent in being charismatic. There's

506
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 9: a talent into selling yourself. There's a because you know

507
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 9: what those people do. They they're on it twenty four

508
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 9: to seven, they're banging shit out, they're on their Twitter,

509
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 9: their car, they're you know, they're doing it. They're doing

510
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 9: it when they wake up, when they go to sleep.

511
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 9: There's a different talent.

512
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 7: I actually like, no, you can like her, but that's

513
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 7: a clear example.

514
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah you can like her.

515
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 7: No, that's fine. I mean, but we all know that

516
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 7: she's built in a way.

517
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

518
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 9: But then there's like, you know these artists that are

519
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 9: like Adele. Everybody said records don't sell. Adele said hello

520
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 9: a month for a month, and she sold groundbreaking twenty

521
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 9: five million something like that for ridiculous amount of money,

522
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 9: right or I mean she made a shitload off of that.

523
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 9: Because I know that she is covered in that area.

524
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 9: I get a lot of artists that come in here go,

525
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 9: you know, I hate my album. I didn't want to

526
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 9: be like that. You know, the record company made me

527
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 9: do this. Blah blah, blah. I didn't want to make

528
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 9: that video. I didn't want to put the glitter on

529
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 9: my mouth to make it look like I was, you know,

530
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 9: got you know, shot calm on my face. I didn't

531
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 9: want to do any of that actual you know, you know,

532
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 9: and all I could look at them and go, I'm

533
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 9: so sorry. But you're not getting any sympathy here because

534
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 9: you allowed that to happen. You know, you were afraid

535
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 9: of losing your record deal, so you did all the

536
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 9: things that you're not supposed to do.

537
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 8: You you fell into that trap. So do I to

538
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 8: your questions?

539
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 9: That's why I said a difficult one, because I believe

540
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 9: when artists step into their power, money will come. I

541
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 9: believe anytime we step into our power, are everything that

542
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 9: is due to us will come to us. What is

543
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 9: rightfully ours will be ours when we step into our power.

544
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 9: So that is the answer to that question.

545
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 8: Right now.

546
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 9: It is my job, your job, all of our job

547
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 9: here to help people step into their power.

548
00:30:47,800 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: All right, how many songs do you reckon you? Okay,

549
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: I won't say like half completed songs are half demos,

550
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: because I'm certain that you know, even if you have

551
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: an idea right now, you'll just excuse yourself, and how

552
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: many your iPhone outside? Uh? On a weekly basis, how

553
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: many songs do you think you complete?

554
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 9: Right, Well, it depends on if I'm writing with somebody.

555
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 9: So basically, right now, I'm in the studio with Natasha Beddingfield.

556
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 9: In probably fourteen days, we wrote thirteen songs, and then

557
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 9: that was me concentrating on just the songs. Now sometimes

558
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 9: I'll just you know, with her, I did something different,

559
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 9: Like I really wanted to get the body of songs down,

560
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 9: and so I didn't focus on any production because I

561
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 9: wanted to do something different with her this time. And

562
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 9: a lot of people know Natasha Beddingfield for you know,

563
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 9: pocket full of Sunshine and unwritten, and there's a cleanness

564
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 9: there about her. But she I mean there's a little

565
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 9: Michael in her. I mean she hits these this tone

566
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 9: that sounds like friggin' Michael Jackson when he was younger.

567
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 9: And she's got a grit and a style, and she's

568
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 9: wild and she's political, and she's dark and she's.

569
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 8: Funny and she's light.

570
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 7: You know.

571
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 9: So anyway, so I just wanted to focus on the song.

572
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 9: So I just focused on the songs and didn't get

573
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 9: into production, so we were, you know, like the other yesterday,

574
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 9: I wasn't playing on writing a song, and we did.

575
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 9: So it depends on the energy that's moving through me

576
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 9: and the artist. Now, I've been with some artists that

577
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 9: I've been with them for three days and I keep

578
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 9: switching because I can't get one song written with them.

579
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 9: And then finally at the I always allow at least

580
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 9: two to three days. Sometimes that's long. But if I

581
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 9: don't write a song with somebody within the first three hours,

582
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 9: the chemistry's not there. I'll say, listen, I think you're amazing.

583
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 9: You know who would be really great with you? And

584
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 9: then I'll recommend somebody else and they look at me.

585
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: Like you curve them.

586
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 9: They're like, well, I want to work with you, and

587
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 9: I said, I do too, but it's I like you,

588
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 9: but that doesn't mean we're going to create, you know.

589
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 8: That's that's how I roll, you know, So do artists.

590
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: Prefer that immersive experience in creating with you? Because there

591
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: are some times where I feel as though like I'll

592
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: have a brilliant idea and I'll execute it and go

593
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: in the studio by myself in it, and then I'll

594
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: present it and then they'll be like, nah, I'm cool

595
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: on it, and it's almost like well yeah, like I

596
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: hate to say this on So that's how I fool.

597
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: That's how I fool Erica, Like Erica is the Queen

598
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: of no when it's like yo, we it's dope, right,

599
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: and then she'll want to be part of the creative process.

600
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,239
Speaker 1: So then I got a Jedi my trigger. And then

601
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: I'll present the same idea like a month later, right,

602
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: and then it's like it's eighty two thousand, you know

603
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: what I mean? And then it's like yeah, I see

604
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: it's but it's almost like I feel like with your

605
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: your position is harder because there's much more than a songwriter,

606
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: like you bordline up to be the therapist sometimes the babysitter,

607
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: like if they have add you gotta give them the

608
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: focus and you have to be life coach. So it's

609
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: what what is the most comfortable environment that you're in

610
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: in songwriting? Like do you have to sit with that

611
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: person in real time? Is music even involved? Like do

612
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: you even just deal with words? And like Smokey Robinson

613
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: said that half the songs he wrote he starts out

614
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: with poetry, like not even thinking of a melody, it's

615
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: just like, do these words make sense? And once he

616
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: feels he has something, then it's like, what music can

617
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: I dress around this? So what is your actual, like

618
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: preferred process of songwriting. I don't have.

619
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 9: I I everything comes at the same time, first of all.

620
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 9: So for me, if I pick up a guitar, I'll

621
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 9: basically come up with the melody and some kind of

622
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 9: lyric right off the top. It all like for me,

623
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 9: I have to be open to the song presenting itself

624
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 9: and just catch it. You know how sometimes we ignore, oh,

625
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 9: an actual lyric or is it like, I don't know.

626
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 9: I'll just know it's just ice mumble and then it

627
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 9: turns into song. So all my songs come from that.

628
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 9: The melody, the music, the lyrics all kind of start

629
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 9: showing up at the same time, and I'll just jam

630
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 9: it but with So for me, when I'm here, that's

631
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 9: how I roll when I'm with an artist.

632
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 8: I love working with people.

633
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 9: I could write a song with you guys right now,

634
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,959
Speaker 9: just as comfortable as I could with myself. I love

635
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 9: being inspired. I I am one of the people that

636
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 9: if we all sat here and we were like, okay, let's.

637
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 8: Write a song.

638
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 9: You were on your phone, you're drinking coffee, you fell asleep,

639
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 9: you're daydreaming, and you're just looking at gear. And I

640
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 9: sat here and did it. You know, I did all

641
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 9: the music and wrote it. I would still make that

642
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 9: a collaboration because it's the energy and the inspiration of everybody.

643
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 9: You know, it's not sweet, it's just the way it

644
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 9: is because to me, it's a it's a series of

645
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 9: events and energies and things that just bring us to

646
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 9: where we are right now. And that's how I look

647
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 9: at life in general and songwriting. So it's to me,

648
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 9: it's I can write anywhere. You can put me in

649
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 9: any place, and I will write a song.

650
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: What's the largest number of people collaboration situation that you've

651
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: been in to write a song.

652
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 9: The only time I've ever done something to that at

653
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 9: that level is you know, with a band. You know

654
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 9: where I've had my band here and it's like one, two,

655
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 9: three for five, six seven people maybe if that, and

656
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 9: we're just sitting in there jam and I just sometimes

657
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 9: I just got to break out. It's just like guys,

658
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 9: you know, I feel the guys are just like they're

659
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 9: lost in the song. They can't get there. So I'll

660
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 9: come in and I'll go, okay, let's just jam out,

661
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 9: you know, and then I'll pick up the guitar and

662
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 9: I'll start doing something. We'll start doing things, and then

663
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 9: we'll write a song.

664
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: Now, you know, you're always in the alpha situation, like.

665
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 8: I'm always the alpha.

666
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's what I wanted to know, Like who

667
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: decides who's going to be quote the bad guy or

668
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: the coaches?

669
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I'm I'm always that.

670
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 9: I don't it's to me, it's I'm just in the

671
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 9: more powerful position because I'm very confident.

672
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 8: I'm not choosing that. It's just who I am and people.

673
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 9: You're only as powerful as the people around you, So

674
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 9: if people are letting you take power, then I'm the alpha.

675
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: You know.

676
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 9: That's just the way the works works in the wolf Pack.

677
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 9: You know, it's like they they want people want to

678
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 9: be led. They want to feel like somebody's got control

679
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 9: of something. That's why we get in an airplane and

680
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 9: we feel that guy is the guy that's gonna take

681
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 9: us to safety. And I don't fucking know who that

682
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 9: guy is that's gonna who the fuck, but we automatically

683
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 9: just go into this trusting situation. He's got it, you know.

684
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 9: So I try to make that available because that's just

685
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 9: who I am. But I want people to feel safe

686
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 9: and secure in their environment. And I only whip out

687
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 9: bulldog for business.

688
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: You know.

689
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 9: I am a total I will. I am an assassin

690
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 9: when it comes from my artist. I manage artists, and

691
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 9: I am a killer. I would go in there because

692
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 9: my artist is my number one priority. I don't give

693
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 9: a fuck about any of you, my artists. I need

694
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 9: to make sure that they're taken care of. And I

695
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 9: become an assassin. I'm a gunslinger. I go left field.

696
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 8: I funck shit up. I got people scared of me,

697
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 8: but I'm also really sweet.

698
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 7: Is your writing process different for those people who you've

699
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 7: been working with for so long, Like it's the product,

700
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 7: you know, since you know them, and on a whole

701
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 7: different level for like the Pinks and the Christina and.

702
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,479
Speaker 9: Well you know, I mean we all know, like there's

703
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 9: people who think their writers and they think their producers,

704
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 9: you know, So you have to you know, like what

705
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 9: you said, you have to Jedi mind trick them, you know.

706
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: And so I have How long does it take for

707
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: you to know who you're dealing with? If it's a

708
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: blind situation, like do you start with dinner first, do

709
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: you meet off campus first to see who you're dealing with,

710
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: or is it just like Clyde Davis is like, look,

711
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: I got this new artist and come to New York

712
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: and meet them.

713
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, No, I don't do that. I'll meet people, but

714
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 9: I don't. I rarely, it's a rare occasion. I'll just

715
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 9: say okay to somebody. I don't care if it's Beyonce

716
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 9: or some new person. I need to sit with you first,

717
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 9: just chat and see if we're a match, because it

718
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 9: is important to me. I'm not again, I have to

719
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 9: feel creative in the situation. Otherwise, if I'm not and

720
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 9: I'm only doing it for the namesake or whatever, it

721
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 9: just doesn't It doesn't fit in my soul properly.

722
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So I gotta ask at the height of misunderstood mania,

723
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: we came first striped? Uh?

724
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 8: Misunderstood that was first?

725
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, So let's just say in the in the

726
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: sort of the cyclone of where you know, get this

727
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: party start, it's like playing now, playing in stadiums and whatnot.

728
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: What can you tell us a name that like came

729
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: to you like Okay, I want something. You had to

730
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: curve them and be like, we're not a match. It's

731
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: not going to work like a a failed collabo that

732
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: didn't happen, or that you passed on.

733
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's many. Listen.

734
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 9: My one of my pride things that I love about

735
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 9: myself is that I'm not a kiss and teller.

736
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 8: But mind you, I'll tell you this.

737
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 9: I have I record everything, so when you walk into

738
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 9: my studio, it's rolling.

739
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 8: Let me just tell you this.

740
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 9: I have ship on people beyond my fucking am I

741
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 9: that would shock this, you know, fucking industry. I mean

742
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 9: the confessions, the things I mean, I have a maybe

743
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 9: when I'm like lying on my road the studio, maybe

744
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 9: I might go okay and unleash these you know, who knows? Maybe,

745
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 9: but I But what I love about who I've become

746
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 9: is that you know, my experiences are my experiences, and

747
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 9: nobody's gonna ever experience anything the way I do, or

748
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 9: you do or we do. Right, But I just know,

749
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 9: right off the top, I can know in five minutes.

750
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 9: I'm extremely I'm sensitive. I'm all in heart. I'm rarely

751
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 9: in my head unless I need to be, but I'm

752
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 9: all in my heart. To a point where it's a

753
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 9: fault for me, like it becomes a weakness because I'm

754
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 9: so writing in my heart all the time that I'm

755
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 9: over the top honest. I've hurt people, not meaning but

756
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 9: just because my honesty has hurt people.

757
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: You know, how do you if you care for someone,

758
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: will you be severely blunt with them?

759
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 9: Even if if I don't care about them, I'll be

760
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 9: severely blunt, Like it's it to me, it's our duty

761
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 9: as human beings to be. Like, for instance, yesterday, so

762
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 9: there's this girl on Twitter name Scarlet B. Her name

763
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 9: is Savannah. Anyway, she email, she kept twitting me songs

764
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 9: like Linda Perry, I want your attention, I want your attention,

765
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 9: and I follow on my watch and I listen, you know,

766
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 9: and I do. And so this girl sent me a

767
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 9: version of What's Up, and she changed all the words

768
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 9: to basically say something to the extent, please notice me.

769
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 9: I'm I'm a Vietnam vett, not Vietnam, no vet, I'm

770
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 9: a vet and you know all her she put all

771
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 9: her struggles in it.

772
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 8: I just want you to hear me. I'm coming for you.

773
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 8: Where are you? You know whatever?

774
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 9: So it was pretty endearing. I tweeted back and said, okay, kid,

775
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 9: I'm gonna give you a shot. So I had my

776
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 9: people reach out to her.

777
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 8: We flew her here.

778
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 9: She lives in Virginia. We flew her and her mom

779
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 9: out here, and I said, Okay, I'm gonna give you

780
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 9: a shot. You're going to do a showcase for my label.

781
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 9: And so yesterday she did a showcase last night in

782
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 9: front of the label, and and there was a couple

783
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 9: of songs that are good couple songs on then.

784
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 8: But it was my what would I be if I

785
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 8: brought this girl all the way here?

786
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 9: And I didn't say, these are the issues that I'm

787
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 9: hearing in your material, because you can get that on

788
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 9: the fucking Voice American Idol and all that crap. You know,

789
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 9: those people, those kids, those kids walk away with no

790
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 9: information at all. They walk away with nothing. Even the

791
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 9: winners walk away with nothing. You know, maybe the earlier

792
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 9: days American Idol, there were there were people, but that

793
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 9: period is gone.

794
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 8: But now name me one Voice winner.

795
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 9: I know Adam Levine and Christina and Gwen's records.

796
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: I know that.

797
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 9: No I'm saying I know the judges where yeah, they

798
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 9: benefit you know that that's what's going on American and

799
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 9: I don't right now it's all that.

800
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 8: But when did they stop?

801
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 9: And when did Simon cow or whatever say, you know what,

802
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 9: there's something here, but this is what I would do.

803
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 8: Blah blah blah blah blah.

804
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 9: So it was it's my duty as a as a

805
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 9: person in the music business, you know, like people do

806
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 9: think that I do know something. Whether it's the if

807
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 9: it's right or not, I don't know. I just have

808
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 9: my own opinions. And again they're my opinions. But so

809
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 9: I don't know this girl. But I had to tell

810
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 9: her sidebarred her without everybody else around in that room,

811
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 9: and I said, listen, this song, I really like it

812
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 9: needs a chorus. But here I think I don't know

813
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 9: who you're being in this song. And she's like, well,

814
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 9: I really wanted to be like Halsey. And I'm like,

815
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 9: why don't you just be you? You know, why are

816
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 9: you being Halsey?

817
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: Be you?

818
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 8: And I don't like this.

819
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 9: So anyway, so she's going home today with some valuable information.

820
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 9: I you know, this experience is going to change her life,

821
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 9: and more so, I wanted it to change everybody else's.

822
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 9: That was experiencing this good gesture, because that's what we

823
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 9: need to do. We need to reach out and extend

824
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 9: a good gesture. We need to help people. We need

825
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 9: to give them the right information because nobody, nobody is

826
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 9: giving these kids the right information. Where's our fucking political

827
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 9: revolution that was supposed to happen with punk rock?

828
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 8: Where are the Ramones?

829
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 9: They were supposed to show up, Patty Smith was supposed

830
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 9: to show up shuring this whole thing.

831
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 8: Where the fuck did it go?

832
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 1: Natalie Dixie Chicks, everybody shut.

833
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 8: Up exactly exactly.

834
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: Stuff to lose, lose, anything to lose because he was

835
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: you know every day.

836
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 9: That is exactly my point. It's like, you know, what

837
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 9: are we then if we're not standing for what we

838
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 9: came in here for. Like so when you go back

839
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 9: to your question about are we gonna make money, it's like,

840
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 9: who fucking cares?

841
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 8: I'm in it, man, I'm in it to be a

842
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 8: soldier and a pawn.

843
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 9: I'll be a fucking pond in this music business because

844
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 9: if I have to sacrifice myself for the for the

845
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 9: business to win, That's what I'm in it for. So

846
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 9: I don't care about the money. Is the money great?

847
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, I still think that one should be able

848
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: to make a living. I think I would make I live.

849
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 8: We are I think we are, man, I think we are.

850
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 8: I think we're gonna be.

851
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe Hype Williams videos have gassed me up too

852
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: much to yeah.

853
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 8: But you know what, let me tell you this.

854
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 9: We should have never been making three hundred, five hundred

855
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 9: thousand dollars videos.

856
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 8: Okay. The nineties is what screwed everything up. The nineties

857
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 8: got greedy.

858
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 9: Oh my god, all this money, and everybody wanted more,

859
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 9: more and more, and the labels wanted more because they

860
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 9: you know what I mean, fucking seventeen ninety nine. First,

861
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 9: see the kids were being ripped off. You know what

862
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 9: they did, they said fuck you. They started their own

863
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 9: revolution and start fucking putting out all those songs and

864
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 9: records out online, saying here you go, it's here for free,

865
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 9: you know, because we can afford nineteen ninety nine for

866
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 9: a crappy album. So remember that, not only were they

867
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 9: spending nineteen ninety and twenty bucks for record, they're spending

868
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 9: twenty bucks for craph You know, there's maybe one or

869
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 9: two good songs on there, but the rest was fucking

870
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 9: filler and shit.

871
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: Stop selling singles. So you couldn't get this the one

872
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: song you want. You had to buy the whole album

873
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: and suffer through, you know, seventy eight minutes of the

874
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: crap just to get to the two minutes you want to.

875
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I think it's gonna be okay.

876
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 9: I think we just have to readdress our intentions, you know,

877
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 9: And I think we can make a living, and I

878
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 9: think we can make a really good living.

879
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 8: And I think.

880
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 9: There's gonna be other resources that are gonna start happening.

881
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 9: There's a lot of people, do you probably know a

882
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 9: lot of different things are coming up. There's just gonna

883
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 9: be a lot of different ways for distribution and reaching

884
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,959
Speaker 9: out to your fans and and and honestly, there's gonna

885
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 9: be a lot of we have to get rid of

886
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 9: a lot. Do you understand there's a lot of Yeah,

887
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 9: there's a lot of unnecessary music out there.

888
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 5: You're not through they like, I don't even think you're

889
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 5: fighting as an artist. You're not really even fighting for money.

890
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 5: You're fighting for attention. Yeah, yeah, it's not even about

891
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 5: the Attention is kind of the great currency, now, you know.

892
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 5: And that's why what you were saying earlier with artists

893
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 5: who have that charisma and know how to sell it.

894
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I've had straight up labels like my homies

895
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 5: that work at labels straight up tell me before even

896
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 5: looking to sign an artist, they go and look at

897
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 5: their Instagram for yes first, like they look.

898
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: At you got on install? How many what's your Twitter?

899
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 9: Because they're lazy. Labels are fucking lazy. They want everybody

900
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 9: to do that. They don't want them down. They don't

901
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 9: break because they don't know how to. They don't break

902
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 9: them because they don't. Nobody in the music business is

903
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 9: actually running the music business.

904
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: Like nobody's developing artists anymore.

905
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 9: You have a you know this guy that's the bazillionaire

906
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 9: that bought Atlantic because he wanted to be on a

907
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 9: yacht with all these you know people and go to parties.

908
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 9: It's like he knows nothing about the business. And then

909
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 9: you leave it to these guys that are just holding on.

910
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 9: Their job is just to not say yes right now.

911
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 8: Their job.

912
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 7: They're safe.

913
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 8: They're keeping their jobs by not saying yes, yes, you.

914
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 7: Know, but not for nothing. That's why it seems like

915
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 7: when you look at your catalog, whether it was conscious

916
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 7: or unconscious, you definitely have a somewhat of eligibility requirement

917
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 7: for I want to say the ladies at very least

918
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 7: that you work with.

919
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 8: The ladies are most fucked up and emotional. They need me,

920
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 8: you know, the one and the ones that you work with, those.

921
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 7: They got a certain foundation of strength to them, you

922
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 7: know what I mean, like all of them when you

923
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 7: look at it.

924
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 9: Well, you know, I think that with women, we're just emotion.

925
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 9: We're emotional and we get sensitive, and I think that,

926
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 9: you know, I'm always asked like why aren't there more

927
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 9: women producers or engineers? And I think one, it's a

928
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 9: bitch man to you know, to to be turned down

929
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 9: because you're a woman, you know, and or not. No,

930
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 9: like I've turned down women, you know, engineers, I've I

931
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 9: don't want to engineer. I love engineering, I love producing,

932
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 9: but I don't want to do it anymore, you know,

933
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 9: because engineering I start geeking out, you know, I start

934
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 9: fucking moving. I can spend like a whole fucking day.

935
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 9: I have hundreds of snares and I will go through

936
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 9: all of them to get the right sound because I

937
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 9: don't well, why don't you just tune that one down?

938
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 8: Are you kidding me? It sounds great like this. I'm

939
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 8: not tuning down my I have.

940
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: A do you know, John Brian. Yeah, motherfucker, spend like

941
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: three hours on like one snare.

942
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 8: But you know what, it's because you don't want to

943
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 8: touch the character of the one.

944
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 9: So anyway, So anyways, as you can see, I can

945
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 9: go on this conversation for hours.

946
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 8: So but I think that sometimes what's going on with

947
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 8: women is.

948
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 9: Maybe they don't want to deal with it. Maybe they

949
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 9: don't they see it as a losing battle already. Maybe

950
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 9: they're happy being on their computers at home and not

951
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 9: dealing with a room full of you know, guys. Maybe

952
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 9: the guys won't even hire them, you know.

953
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 8: You know, I like to be up. I am, I

954
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 8: am an.

955
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 9: I'm a lifer. I'm a lifer in this position. I

956
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 9: don't clock in nine to five. I am a fucking lifer.

957
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 9: And I don't believe there's many women that are lifers,

958
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 9: you know, because there's a lot other things that they

959
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 9: women want to do, they want to have they I

960
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 9: have a son, but I'm figuring it out, you know.

961
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 9: But I'm kind of more macho, you know, I have

962
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 9: a more man perspective.

963
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 7: Less you have resources I do have.

964
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 9: Resources but the girls. But you know, I had to

965
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 9: fight for my resourceers. I was when I was in

966
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 9: four Nam Bloms. I'll give you great example, when I

967
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 9: was in four Non Blonde and we're recording that album,

968
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 9: which I fucking hate, you know, because sonically I don't

969
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 9: know what it is. I know what it is now,

970
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 9: but I didn't know what it was then. You know,

971
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 9: I had no experience of it being in a studio,

972
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 9: and so I got you know, I'm listening to my

973
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 9: you know this. He gives me this fifty three vox

974
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 9: fifty three, les Paul to go through the sixty three

975
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 9: vox amp, and I'm in the room and I'm hearing it.

976
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 9: I'm like, oh man, that is fat. And then I

977
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 9: go into the control room and it sounds like this.

978
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 9: And I didn't know he was compressing it, queuing out

979
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 9: everything and putting reverb on it. I didn't know that,

980
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 9: you know, So every time I'd question him, like, why

981
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 9: does it sound so great out here? But when I

982
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 9: come in here it sounds so teeny and so far away, Linda,

983
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 9: you know, with his accent, you know who produced it,

984
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 9: David Tickle. Can't you just you know, just just be

985
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 9: a singer, you know, and go in there and just

986
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 9: do whatever. And so I heard that fucking just go

987
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 9: be a singer bullshit way too many times. And then

988
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 9: when he got to What's Up the song that I wrote,

989
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 9: when it got to in His Little Hands, it had

990
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 9: a marching drum. You want me to change all the

991
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 9: lyrics because it didn't make sense to him for me

992
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 9: to repeat certain lines. There's a guitar solo. It sounded

993
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 9: fucking bad. He changed my strum. I went to Tom

994
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 9: Walley Interscope Records. I said, I am not fucking releasing

995
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 9: this song. And he's like, well, we're all happy with it.

996
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 9: I'm like, I'm not happy with it. So we had

997
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 9: one real tape. We had tape back then, so we

998
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 9: had one reala tape. I called up the Plant Studios

999
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 9: in San Francisco and I said, hey, man, can you

1000
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 9: do me a solid? We have no money, We had

1001
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 9: no money, we couldn't afford anything. And I said, will

1002
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 9: you do me sol then let us come in and

1003
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 9: I need to reproduce this this song. He's like, of course, dude,

1004
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 9: for you, I'll do that, you know, just put us

1005
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 9: a thanks on the record.

1006
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 8: I'm like done. So we go in there. I've never

1007
00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 8: produced anything.

1008
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 9: Dial with the engineer, dialed up the sounds, got everything,

1009
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 9: got everything, put it back to the arrangement, put on

1010
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 9: our tape. We had to choose because you only have

1011
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 9: room for three, so we had to kind of make

1012
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 9: commitments and go, okay, let's just keep this, let's go

1013
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 9: over that one. So we are on our last take.

1014
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 9: David Tickle comes walking in at like two o'clock in

1015
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 9: the morning. We're laying it down.

1016
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 8: That's it. It was live, and then we added some

1017
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 8: background vocals.

1018
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 9: That was it, and then we mixed it that night

1019
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 9: and then it made it, mastered it the next day,

1020
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 9: and it was on the record.

1021
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 8: That is the version that sold seven million records.

1022
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 9: That's got over you know, two billion fucking streams or

1023
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 9: whatever on YouTube, and that motherfucker. When I said I

1024
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 9: want producer credit on that, they all said no to me.

1025
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 9: Can't you fucking be a singer? And I from that

1026
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 9: day on, I said, fuck you, I'm going to be

1027
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 9: more than a singer, bitch. I'm going to fucking learn

1028
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 9: how to do this shit.

1029
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 8: And that's what I did.

1030
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 9: I started buying equipment and I taught myself. That was

1031
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 9: my motivation, you know, And then I did.

1032
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 8: I just went for it.

1033
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 9: I didn't it was no, was not an exception, and

1034
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 9: I got fired from misunderstood.

1035
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 8: Just to let you know this little story. Nobody knows this.

1036
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 9: I'm gonna get a doozy, so I get to I

1037
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 9: wrote Get the Party Started in like fifteen minutes. Because

1038
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 9: I was such an analog girl. I wanted to know

1039
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 9: what that sound was on the radio that I was

1040
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 9: hearing on MTV. So I called up a friend. I'm like,

1041
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 9: what is that thing on MTV right now? Or all

1042
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 9: the sounds?

1043
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: You know?

1044
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 8: Oh, it's an MPC.

1045
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 9: It's a Triton and it's a role in Expansion cards,

1046
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 9: you know. And I'm like, okay. So I went and

1047
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 9: bought all that. I set it all up. I had

1048
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 9: eight DAA D A D eighty eight and then I

1049
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 9: set it up and then I started just playing.

1050
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 8: And then that's what I wrote.

1051
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 9: Out of just testing all this gear, I wrote, get

1052
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 9: the Party started, put some then put some live woah

1053
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 9: wah bass, you know whatever. And then this girl calls

1054
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 9: me up. Liza's message says, I want to you know,

1055
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 9: are you Linda Perry? I want to blah blah blah,

1056
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 9: write a song with you. So I go and meet her,

1057
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 9: and then I had written get Get the party started.

1058
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 9: I play it for her. She's like, that's my first single.

1059
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 9: Plays at La read right anyways, So cut to we

1060
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 9: were doing it here when I'm still living here. I

1061
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 9: had a little studio in that room, and so I

1062
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 9: just start demoing I'm really good, right and just whatever,

1063
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 9: and then she it was very different.

1064
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 8: So La Reid came in and he was like, you know,

1065
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 8: this is very different. We're gonna lose.

1066
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 9: Lisha's a Pink's audience because I just feel like this

1067
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 9: is just too left field. And I said, you know what,

1068
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 9: how many what did she sell? He's like, well, she's

1069
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 9: got like, you know, almost two million. You know, she

1070
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 9: sold two million records. I'm like, you're gonna lose those

1071
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 9: ten and you're gonna gain ten. I mean, you're gonna

1072
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 9: lose those two and you're gonna gain ten. And then

1073
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 9: I got fired because I was too left field. Yes,

1074
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 9: this is the beautiful part. You're gonna fucking love me

1075
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 9: for this time. I remember I got fired. Okay, so

1076
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 9: they fired me, and I'm like, I'm ten songs in

1077
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 9: I'm the I'm the bulk of the album, right and

1078
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 9: they fired me.

1079
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 8: So I I say, no, you know what, you guys

1080
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 8: never hired me. You can't fire me because you never

1081
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 8: hired me.

1082
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 9: So I went back into the studio with Dave Pinsato,

1083
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 9: I finished the productions, had him mix it, and then

1084
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 9: I invoiced them, gave them the fucking record and then

1085
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 9: they took it.

1086
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 8: So they never hired me. They fired me, and then

1087
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 8: they never rehired me. Remember that, l They.

1088
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 7: Were like no pieces when Pink was on her there

1089
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 7: you go and she was doing BT Awards.

1090
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 8: But isn't that a great story.

1091
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 9: He did not like me at all because I was

1092
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 9: in his face and just you know how I was

1093
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 9: just you know what I mean, It was really funny.

1094
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 9: But he wanted to fire my ass. But Dallas Austin

1095
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 9: wasn't losing his job, you know. But they quickly were

1096
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 9: ready to fire me because I was too aggressive, you know,

1097
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 9: and I call them out like she's.

1098
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 8: Gonna and you know what she did? She sold twelve

1099
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 8: million records.

1100
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 7: In that moment. Did you see the more misogyny in

1101
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 7: the R and B area than what you're used to.

1102
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 7: I'm just curious, No, because you.

1103
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 8: Know what, I don't look for those things.

1104
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 9: Uh you know, I'm this is where I'm naive, and

1105
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 9: you know, like I don't look for problems and I

1106
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 9: just find solutions.

1107
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 8: You know, That's it.

1108
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 9: I find solutions. I don't dwell in things. I just

1109
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 9: find my way around it. At this is my journey.

1110
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 7: Man. Sometimes I don't know.

1111
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 8: I mean there was you know what, more so not.

1112
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 9: Really in that because you know, I actually got very

1113
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 9: embraced in that you know whole you know, everybody at Enterprise,

1114
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 9: you know, Enterprise Studios, So everybody embraced me there. I

1115
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 9: mean there is all walks going on in there, and

1116
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 9: they loved me, embraced me. I and then had you know,

1117
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 9: people like Ron Fair was coming in. Okay, I want

1118
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 9: you to come listen to this, uh you know Maya

1119
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 9: you know song where we just redid free Fall and

1120
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 9: it took like three weeks to do it, and I

1121
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 9: had this big orchestra and all this stuff, and you know,

1122
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 9: and I spent like a hundred million dollars.

1123
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 7: Fucking budget.

1124
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 9: Dude, he fucking plays it to me and I'm all,

1125
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 9: you took three weeks to do this and you spent probably.

1126
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 9: I said, Ron, you should be ashamed of yourself. You

1127
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 9: know how much she's paying for that? And I looked

1128
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 9: at Maya, I go, you're paying for that. So the

1129
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 9: three weeks that he just spent the big strings that

1130
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 9: suck you're pain for the mean, Oh my god. I

1131
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 9: didn't know how to filter myself and it just came

1132
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 9: out because I was so angry.

1133
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 7: What did her face say when you did that?

1134
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 8: She was, I think embarrassed and she knew and it

1135
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 8: did nothing. It was the most I mean. And I'm

1136
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 8: a petty fan, you know, And it's like.

1137
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 9: Don't do a cover and fucking do a bad version.

1138
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 8: Of it, you know, just don't do it. If you're

1139
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 8: gonna do a bad version of cover.

1140
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 9: Here to all you little kiddie winkies out there, if

1141
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 9: you're going to do a cover, do your.

1142
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 8: Cover of it.

1143
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: Don't do Ron Fairris cover.

1144
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 9: Don't do Ron Fairs cover. Just don't do the artist cover.

1145
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 9: Just do a different version of it. Make it you

1146
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 9: don't make it a version of them and then on

1147
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 9: top of it, a bad version of it.

1148
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 7: They used to teach that on American Idol, Yeah, used to.

1149
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you said what you said about the

1150
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: reality shows, because the thing is is that when you're

1151
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: saying that you know you're here today and going before

1152
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: you got there. For me, it's like this whole idea

1153
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: of we're going to create gods in fifteen weeks in

1154
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: fifteen week episode increments is so one it's unproven. But

1155
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: it's almost like the people that we idolize put decades

1156
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: into their craft, Like you know, Retha Franklin started at six,

1157
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: singing in church, singing in church, singing in church until

1158
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: she was nineteen before she even got in front of

1159
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: a microphone. And it's almost like, do you even think

1160
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: that we have the patients? I mean, as long as

1161
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: we have the suits at these labels and you know

1162
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: the you know, it's like more power to Simon Caroll

1163
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: Cowell for creating these platforms, but I don't know if

1164
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: it's doing us more harm than it is helping the situation.

1165
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: And so it's like, for you, do you think that

1166
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: we can even find and cultivate talent that at least

1167
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: had fifteen years of experience and work before they even

1168
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: see a microphone.

1169
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 8: I don't think that. I think there's just a different way,

1170
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 8: like are we going to get the fifteen years.

1171
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: Now, do you think it's necessary?

1172
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 9: I do.

1173
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 8: I do feel that.

1174
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 9: You know, right now, you have kids sitting on YouTube.

1175
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 9: They do covers, right, or they write a song, they

1176
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 9: go on their YouTube, they record it, they put it

1177
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 9: out there in the world with Twitter or socials whatever.

1178
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 9: They get instant reaction, right, they get instant feedback. They

1179
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 9: think that is the real world right there. Okay, so

1180
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 9: then they get plucked out of the system and then

1181
01:03:55,880 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 9: they're put into these, you know, a studio. Good example

1182
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 9: is that little Grace Vanderval. Right, so Grace Vanderval, she

1183
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 9: was the girl that was thirteen and played ukulele on

1184
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:08,479
Speaker 9: America's Got Talent.

1185
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, okay, so so this was funny.

1186
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 9: So you know she's thirteen, all right, she doesn't get

1187
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 9: you know, people go crazier because she's got a really beautiful,

1188
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 9: soulful voice.

1189
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 8: She writes this really great song. So I get a

1190
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 8: call like a year later and.

1191
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 9: It's her management or the label and they're like, hey,

1192
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 9: wondering if you would have any interest to meet Grace Vanderral.

1193
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 9: You know, we're in the studio and we're having some problems,

1194
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 9: and you know, she's been in there with Pharrell and

1195
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 9: blah blah blah and naming all these big names and yeah,

1196
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,919
Speaker 9: we're just we're I guess we're just not getting where

1197
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 9: we want to go. And I said, well, I can

1198
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 9: go ahead and guess what your problem is is. She's

1199
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 9: fourteen and you stuck her in a studio Pharrell Williams.

1200
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 8: Who does that?

1201
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: Right?

1202
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 8: Who does that? I mean, the girl has no life.

1203
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 9: She's like, she doesn't she went on American America's got talent.

1204
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 8: Too, in a studio with the Froh. She's had no

1205
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 8: time to understand who she is, who she's going to be.

1206
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 9: So when that happened, I had met a twelve year

1207
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 9: old and from my wife is Sarah Gilbert, and she

1208
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 9: has this really great friend, Sleigh Moonfry that was punking.

1209
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 8: She's amazing. So Slay calls me up.

1210
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 9: She's like, I have this friend and she's the sweetest person.

1211
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 9: I have this friend and she's got a daughter and

1212
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 9: she thinks the daughter's got talent but doesn't know and

1213
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 9: is wondering if you could check her out and just see,

1214
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 9: you know, they're just curious. So I'm like, for you,

1215
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 9: Slay anything, So I you know, a week later, I

1216
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 9: go to her house and there's the kid and big

1217
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 9: bottle cap glasses and braces. I mean, I mean it

1218
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 9: was like there was four railroad tracks in there, you know,

1219
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 9: and a total dork. You could tell she has a

1220
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 9: total brain. Talked a mile and minute, and I'm like going, okay,

1221
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 9: I'm gonna be open to this. And she sits down

1222
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 9: and I don't even know if it was a beginning,

1223
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 9: there was no end, but it sounds like there was

1224
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 9: a middle, all right. So she plays this middle of

1225
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 9: a song and then just stops, like, you know, after

1226
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 9: a minute and a half. And but she had this

1227
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 9: soulful voice. So they're like, well, what do you think.

1228
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 9: I said, I can't tell right now, but I'll tell

1229
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 9: you what. Write five songs and call me in two months.

1230
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 8: So I gave my number.

1231
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 9: She wrote six songs and called me exactly two months

1232
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 9: to the day, and then she came here played me

1233
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 9: the six songs that she wrote. I put a little

1234
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 9: microphone up at the piano and just to record them,

1235
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 9: and I was in there crying. And I came in crying,

1236
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 9: you know, and I said, I was never this deep

1237
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 9: at fucking twelve, you know.

1238
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, twelve yeah. Okay.

1239
01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 9: So then I said, okay, what I'm gonna do is

1240
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 9: I'm gonna record this for real, for you, like just piano,

1241
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 9: just you sitting at your piano and singing the songs.

1242
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 9: But let's do a better version. So come back in

1243
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 9: three weeks, and I have like three days available for you, right.

1244
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 9: She comes back in three weeks with twelve songs. Wow,

1245
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 9: whoa yeah, And so then I'm like, holy fuck, and

1246
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 9: I'm not kidding you good songs. I'm telling you I

1247
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 9: have little fucking Carol King right now. So she's like,

1248
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 9: what are we gonna do? So I recorded videoed everything.

1249
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 9: We did thirteen songs in thirteen days, just her at

1250
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 9: the piano, recording her vocal nuts it. If I wanted

1251
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 9: a kick drum, I made her play it. I made

1252
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 9: her go If I wanted bass, I gave her a bass,

1253
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 9: gave her the song, said go home, you learn how

1254
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 9: to play the bass, and come back. And because no one,

1255
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,479
Speaker 9: not me, I never touched her songs except for raise

1256
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,919
Speaker 9: the Key maybe and sped it up or slowed it down.

1257
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 9: But if something needed to be played, I made her

1258
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 9: play it. You know, acoustic guitar, and she's never play bass,

1259
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 9: never played acoustic guitar anyway. So the moral of this

1260
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 9: story is she's fourteen now and I'm still mentoring her

1261
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 9: and this kid is incredible. And then she got we

1262
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 9: let her play at this We went, we took the

1263
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 9: company and all the artists to Shia Day, which is

1264
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 9: an advertisement company, and we were doing this you know

1265
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 9: you don't We're we're not gonna wait for you to

1266
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 9: come to us, We're going to go to you kind

1267
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 9: of things. So we did a showcase with all our artists.

1268
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 9: Guess who they picked Willa Her name is Willa am I.

1269
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 9: They picked her for this big campaign for quick books

1270
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 9: and we had to do this version of a harder, faster, big, better.

1271
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 8: Stronger, harder faster.

1272
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 9: But I mean it was the weirdest song they wanted

1273
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:50,679
Speaker 9: organic and so we did it, number one Shazam song.

1274
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 9: They paid for a radio tour for her, you know,

1275
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 9: And but I'm still holding back. I'm still not leting her,

1276
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 9: you know, doing them, still like she's got to learn,

1277
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:04,600
Speaker 9: you know you label since yes, but after that it

1278
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 9: was like she wanted it and and I was like,

1279
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 9: I gotta see, I gotta understand what I'm dealing with

1280
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 9: I can't put you out there, kid, and she's like,

1281
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 9: I want it, I want it.

1282
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 8: But she looks like she's like.

1283
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 9: Maybe eighteen or nineteen. Her voice and the way she

1284
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 9: writes songs. So I played Jimmy iving this song that

1285
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 9: she wrote before Jimmy, you know, took off. I play

1286
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 9: him the song Scars that she wrote, and he I,

1287
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 9: you know, I've known Jimmy a very long time and

1288
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 9: I've never had this experience with him.

1289
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 8: He was just like lit up.

1290
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 9: And he turns around and he looks at me and

1291
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 9: he's like, you know what you got? And I'm all

1292
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 9: what He's like, you got the cool Taylor Swift. He's like, congratulations, finally,

1293
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 9: you know. But it's like, but the thing is, she's

1294
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 9: been in playing with bands. She knows what a rehearsal

1295
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 9: room is, she knows how to play in front of

1296
01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 9: five people. Now she's going to do this radio show

1297
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 9: in Vegas, you know, you know, with Jewel, And I

1298
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 9: mean it's like I've been baby stepping her all the

1299
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 9: way and not letting it get too far. So it's

1300
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 9: out of her hands. It's only moving this fast because

1301
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 9: she wants it. But she's capable of handling, but I'm

1302
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 9: still holding it back. She's still fourteen. But anyways, that's

1303
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 9: my point. So you know what I did with her.

1304
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 9: I nurtured her. I got her to a point so

1305
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 9: she understood what it was like to write songs and

1306
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 9: be in a rehearsal room. You know, did interviews, did

1307
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 9: fake interviews, been you know, photoing her, you know, getting

1308
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 9: following her and helping her, you know, understand who she is.

1309
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 8: And this girl knows who she is.

1310
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 9: So the answer you're fucking long winded, I'm so, is yes,

1311
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 9: we need to bring back development.

1312
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 8: Yes it's called development.

1313
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: Where do you have the patience for that? Because now

1314
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: I almost feel like, of all the episodes we've done,

1315
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: this is the episode I've been waiting for it because

1316
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: I have no patience whatsoever to put in the work

1317
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: to develop people, to listen to people, to like all

1318
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 1: the nineteen jobs. Well no, no, no, but part of

1319
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:27,520
Speaker 1: me like not really want to. I just to babysit

1320
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 1: and you know, the motherfuckers I got a babysit y.

1321
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah right, And that's the thing. It's just like it

1322
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: takes you really have to care as a person. And

1323
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 1: I know you're like, I'm blunt, I'm honest with you

1324
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 1: and whatever, but it's like you obviously you care. Where

1325
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: is it? How did you not even even after uh

1326
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: the rise of the Fast Rise of Four Non Blondes

1327
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: and you guys selling seven seven million units of that album? Like,

1328
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: how did you not between ninety five and when Pink

1329
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: called you ninety nine? Would you say, like, how are

1330
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:18,600
Speaker 1: you not bitter or angry about the situation of of

1331
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 1: what happened in between that time that led you to

1332
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: where you are now where you're giving back in your

1333
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 1: your patient and you know how to coach people, teach

1334
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: us how to care about people. Well, I keep hearing

1335
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: about this whole empathy thing and I just don't.

1336
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 8: Well, let me tell you this.

1337
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 9: So when you say, I believe when you are honest,

1338
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 9: you do care, Like you care enough. You know, most

1339
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 9: people don't care, so they won't be honest because caring,

1340
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 9: being honest takes energy.

1341
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 8: So just remember it that way. We do care when

1342
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,799
Speaker 8: we're talking and we're being honest.

1343
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: Wait, can I add something in our part of the

1344
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: on our side of the tracks? Okay, honestly gets you shot,

1345
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 1: not necessarily Okay, this dog if okay, take take the

1346
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: mister Magic Carris one situation of eighty six. Now let's

1347
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: just take it to let's let's go to nineteen ninety nine.

1348
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: Like you know, you say something can't feel a certain way.

1349
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: It's almost like I feel when people come to me

1350
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: like yo, yo, guess before you real quick. It's almost

1351
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:38,640
Speaker 1: like I don't think you want my honest opinion. I

1352
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 1: think you want a sign. Yeah, like you want me to.

1353
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 8: Champion you, right, But that that's honesty right there. But

1354
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 8: I think that what I would hope that we.

1355
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: Learn, let's turn me off. Like I can say that

1356
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: maybe six people in my entire twenty five years, six

1357
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: people have I've actually just said, Okay, I feel something here,

1358
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 1: I'll listen to it, and it's changed my life, like

1359
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: his band and five other people. And but now I'm

1360
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: thinking about, wow, those those thousand other like John Legend

1361
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: is one of those people. Is like, I gave you

1362
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: all a chance, and y'all didn't hear me. But I digress.

1363
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: I think he didn't come up to me. He might

1364
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 1: have went to Tarik. But I'm saying, like you're willing

1365
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: to jump in the pool and you're willing to to

1366
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: get dirty with them?

1367
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 8: Well, I have a mission. I'm on a mission.

1368
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: Like to me, what is your mission?

1369
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:39,839
Speaker 8: My mission is I love.

1370
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 9: Music and everything that falls under it, Like it is

1371
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 9: my job and duty as one of these people in

1372
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 9: this business to protect it, you know. So honesty to

1373
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 9: me is protecting the it's you know, the integrity of

1374
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 9: music and helping out more in people and raising the bar.

1375
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 9: I mean, come on, guys, I mean, let's just all

1376
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 9: face it. The bar is so fucking low a fucking

1377
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 9: amp can't crawl under it right now.

1378
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 7: You know.

1379
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 9: It's like, but there's great stuff, but you know, I'm

1380
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 9: just talking about in general, there's a low bar.

1381
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 1: There's no entry level, Like there ain't no classes.

1382
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, like with the music industry, like it accepts

1383
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 5: all kinds and so there's no kind of regimen or

1384
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 5: anything that you have to follow. Like with you, like

1385
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 5: just that stir you're telling about how you developed your

1386
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 5: artists and was like, Yo, go write five songs, Go

1387
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 5: write six songs. That is something that is totally foreign

1388
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 5: in on our side of the world with hip hop,

1389
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 5: because hip hop is automatically just seen as something that

1390
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 5: you can just jump in.

1391
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 9: Well, I think though, if we so for me, the patients.

1392
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 9: I didn't have a lot of patients in for non blowns.

1393
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 9: I learned patients. I learned a lot, you know, as

1394
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 9: much as I could say that, you know, that experience,

1395
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 9: I wasn't.

1396
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: I didn't like the album, you know, persn't like that.

1397
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 8: I didn't like No.

1398
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 9: I probably listened to the album maybe three or four times.

1399
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 9: It was a hard album to listen to because it's

1400
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 9: not it didn't reflect who I was and writing, production,

1401
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:17,719
Speaker 9: the production and just yeah, the sound was just again

1402
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 9: I didn't know, but I was just drawn to sound.

1403
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 9: It didn't sound like Zeppelin and it didn't sound like

1404
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 9: the Beatles. It sounded like this washed down kind of

1405
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 9: thin kind of weirdness, you know.

1406
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: Going in in your mind. What did you want that

1407
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: album to be before you hit note number one? You know,

1408
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: was this going to be your house? Is it the

1409
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: Holy Like?

1410
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 8: No, No, I didn't.

1411
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 9: I wasn't experienced something like this was the first band

1412
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 9: I was I have ever been in. Like when I

1413
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 9: was in San Francisco, I played acoustic.

1414
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 8: It was solo. It was Linda Perry solo act.

1415
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 9: And I was kind of developing a name around San

1416
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 9: Francisco as this girl you call that could get up

1417
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 9: on stage, and I was powerful, you know.

1418
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 8: I was like small and got up on it.

1419
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 9: And people liked having just a you know, acoustic act

1420
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 9: jump up on stage because you didn't have to do

1421
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 9: all the changeovers, you know. So I would jump up

1422
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 9: and I started getting a really big name. And that's

1423
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 9: how this band found me. They were already a band

1424
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 9: and they asked.

1425
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: Me to join.

1426
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 9: So when I joined the band, you know, I was

1427
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 9: just it seemed fun and I didn't really have any

1428
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 9: intention except for I just knew earlier on in my

1429
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 9: life I was going to be somebody, whether that's a

1430
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 9: tennis player, police officer, or whatever. I was going to

1431
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 9: be somebody that people were going to know. And so

1432
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 9: that's all I geared my my life. My journey was

1433
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 9: always on that I'm going to be somebody. So when

1434
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 9: four non blocs happened, I just quickly figured out, like, oh,

1435
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 9: these are the things I don't like. These are you know,

1436
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 9: Like I didn't like the band constantly being upset at

1437
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 9: me because I was getting more attention than they were.

1438
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 9: And I would say, well, why don't you guys fucking

1439
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 9: you know, write a song At three o'clock in the morning,

1440
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 9: like I'm doing, and then you can have songwriting. Because

1441
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 9: they were mad that I wouldn't give them songwriting credit

1442
01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 9: on songs that I was writing.

1443
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 8: I'm like, I'm not.

1444
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 9: Not, you know. So I was kind of a dick,

1445
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 9: you know. In for non Blunde, I was angry all

1446
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 9: the time. I didn't like being told what to do.

1447
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 9: I wanted to perform when I wanted. I was very rebellious,

1448
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 9: you know, and you know, I've walked out many situations

1449
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 9: that I should not have, you.

1450
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 8: Know, done.

1451
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 9: And finally I got to a point on the second

1452
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,799
Speaker 9: record and said I can't do it. I had written

1453
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 9: all these great songs that were more like The Wall,

1454
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 9: you know and Pink Floyd the Wall, and and it

1455
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 9: was very you know, it was deep, it was it

1456
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 9: just filled my soul, you know, in my and my

1457
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 9: voice was lower. I was like just brooding and unhappy

1458
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 9: and depressed, and but it was beautiful to me, you know.

1459
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 8: And they were like, uh, where can you guys? Can

1460
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 8: you write.

1461
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 9: Something a little more like our old album, our last record,

1462
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 9: And I said, fuck you, no, I can't, you know.

1463
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 9: And then I went to the label and said please

1464
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 9: let me out. So eventually out of being a little

1465
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 9: crazy to Tom Wally. Tom Wally let me out of

1466
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 9: the deal, Sokerton.

1467
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 8: What do you call that? Yeah, I pulled a good

1468
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 8: one on him, and you know it was pretty funny.

1469
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 9: But so the patients came through that those years. You know,

1470
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 9: I learned what I didn't like about being in for

1471
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 9: no Blons, I learned what I did like. I learned

1472
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 9: that I was way more powerful as a collaborator and

1473
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 9: someone who could be patient with people, and and that

1474
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 9: the the girl that was not collaborating, that had the

1475
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 9: ego that was just you know, throwing everything down and

1476
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 9: not being patient, was the weaker me. So I just

1477
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 9: I just jumped into my power. So that space in

1478
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 9: time allowed me to learn a little bit about who

1479
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 9: I was and what I was capable of doing. So

1480
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 9: the universe then sent me Pink and everything that followed.

1481
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: So were you thrown off when she called you? You said,

1482
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: she calls you out the blue?

1483
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:22,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, she left me a message.

1484
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 9: I got this message because my girlfriend at the time

1485
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 9: was her makeup artist, or her friend was her makeup

1486
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 9: artist or anyways, So she just left me a message.

1487
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 8: You know, is this Lenna Perry.

1488
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 9: This is my name's Pink, and I want to write

1489
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 9: a song with you or you sing on my album,

1490
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 9: and if you don't call me back, I'm gonna come

1491
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 9: stock you.

1492
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 8: If I got your number, I can find your address.

1493
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 1: You know something crazy life.

1494
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, you're just like and it changed mine, you know,

1495
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 9: and it really it made me a collaborator. And then

1496
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 9: you know, from then is that was the downfall because

1497
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 9: immediately after that, I ran into Christina Aguileraa in a

1498
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 9: in a club and Dallas Austin just played like he

1499
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 9: was trying to impress her with what he did on

1500
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 9: Pink's record, but instead it every time she picked a song,

1501
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 9: who did that one?

1502
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 8: He was like, that's Linda Perry. Who did that one?

1503
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 9: Linda Perry. So it was pretty funny that. So I,

1504
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 9: you know, I saw her sitting alone.

1505
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 8: First of all. That was kind of strange. She was alone.

1506
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 8: Friends were in a bodyguard right in front, and she waved.

1507
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 1: You know.

1508
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 9: I came as hey, you know I met her once

1509
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 9: and she's like, you know, let her in, and so

1510
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 9: I said, how you doing. She'sa liked blah blah blah,

1511
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 9: and she's like, I love the stuff that you did

1512
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,599
Speaker 9: with Pink. I'm like, oh great, I go I heard

1513
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 9: your working on an album and she's like, yeah, I go. Hey,

1514
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 9: if I were you, I would really use that darkness,

1515
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,759
Speaker 9: that depression that you got going on, because it probably listen,

1516
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 9: everybody knows that you can sing, but no one knows

1517
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 9: that you actually can feel what you're singing, and it

1518
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 9: really will come in to benefit your your your sadness.

1519
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 9: And she just like, I mean, And then I was like, oh,

1520
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 9: I see you later, and then I started leaving and

1521
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 9: then my friend he's like, what did you just say

1522
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 9: to Christina Aguilar. I'm like why, and he's like, because

1523
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,759
Speaker 9: she's watching you and her mouth is on the ground,

1524
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 9: and I'm like, well, I just told her that people

1525
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 9: want to, you know. And then she called me a

1526
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 9: week later, you know, and that obviously it was not

1527
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:15,600
Speaker 9: my intention. I was just being honest, but you know,

1528
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 9: so theirs were for me. And then I love Christina.

1529
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,640
Speaker 9: We collaborated and done some incredible things together, but I

1530
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 9: call her on her stuff all the time.

1531
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 1: How did you manage to get that performance of beautiful

1532
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 1: out of her? Because I know that what you managed

1533
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 1: to do for that song, like I know that you

1534
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 1: know from what I know of Christina, Oh, you were

1535
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: on that album too. I forgot. Yeah, yeah, I forgot

1536
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:47,799
Speaker 1: I was on that album.

1537
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:49,680
Speaker 9: All right.

1538
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's my thing. My thing is that the thing

1539
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: that I'm most impressed about that song is the fact

1540
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: that you took her defensing, her shield away, because I

1541
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 1: feel like her flexing her going from zero to sixty

1542
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 1: on the audiobar like instantly. The fact that you took

1543
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 1: all that away and just left her vulnerable at least,

1544
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 1: that was my impression in hearing Beautiful. How were you

1545
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 1: able to keep the record people at Bay, and keep

1546
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 1: Christina's management at Bay and Christina herself at Bay and

1547
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: pull that performance out of her? Because I would have

1548
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 1: instantly thought hearing the song, okay, it's Grammy time. That's

1549
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: her diva moment, you know, gown, She's gonna open the

1550
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 1: Grammy Sparkles, sing the shit out, Mariah, the shit out

1551
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 1: that song. And you didn't. How did you pull the

1552
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 1: layers away and get that particular performance out of her?

1553
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:01,719
Speaker 8: It is completely organic.

1554
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 9: I wish I could, you know, say that I did

1555
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 9: something amazing, But the truth is I said that, you know,

1556
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 9: she wanted the song.

1557
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 8: I had already written the song, and.

1558
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 9: I said, well, in order to get this, I need

1559
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 9: to hear you sing it, because you know, when I

1560
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 9: wrote the song, it was me, you know, and my

1561
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 9: insecurities of not feeling like a beautiful person, you know,

1562
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 9: and the using those words to try to find some

1563
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 9: kind of strength, you know, using those words Linda, you're beautiful.

1564
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 9: Come on, don't worry, don't listen to what other people say,

1565
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 9: like the real moment for me. So I'm looking at

1566
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 9: this girl that has it all, that's you know, pretty

1567
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 9: and popular. It's like, there's no fucking way this girl

1568
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:53,719
Speaker 9: is gonna understand and relate to this song. So I said, Okay,

1569
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 9: I need to hear you sing it. So again recorded

1570
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 9: her vocal right in that other room over there and

1571
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 9: sat with the piano. I put the piano down, and

1572
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,600
Speaker 9: then she brought a friend, you know, So I was like.

1573
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 9: She came back a week later and said, okay, and

1574
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 9: I need to hear you sing it. So what gave

1575
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 9: her the lyrics? And she sat there and this is truth.

1576
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 9: I just pushed play and I go, you're good, and

1577
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 9: she's like yeah, And she had the demo to work

1578
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 9: with at home, you know, and she's all nervous, and

1579
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 9: I push and record, and then she literally says to

1580
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 9: her friend, don't look at me. You know something about

1581
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 9: that It showed me, Oh, she's just like me. You know,

1582
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 9: she might look different than I do, but she is

1583
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 9: exactly she feels the same. And then she sang that

1584
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 9: song from start to finished, and then I got chills

1585
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:59,600
Speaker 9: and I said, that's my vocal. And she's like, she's like,

1586
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 9: she's like, what do you mean that's the vocal. I'm like,

1587
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 9: that's my fucking vocal. I knew it, and she was

1588
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 9: like no, you know, I'm like whatever, and so I just,

1589
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 9: you know, just whatever. So I built then I built

1590
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 9: the track around that. So I got the strings, I

1591
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 9: played live, had a live band. We've sat there and

1592
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 9: to the click and just played to her vocal and

1593
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 9: because all she was singing to was a piano, and

1594
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 9: so I just knew that was my vocal.

1595
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 8: There's no way she was going to be able to

1596
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 8: do that again.

1597
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 9: And you can hear you know the paper, you know,

1598
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,759
Speaker 9: And and so there was two things in the bridge

1599
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 9: we needed to hit. There was two high notes that

1600
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 9: she's like, please, can I at least get those? I'm

1601
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 9: like yeah, And then she wanted to re sing the

1602
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 9: whole song seven months, you know, bugging me and I'm

1603
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 9: like no, no, no. And then finally, so we go

1604
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 9: to it on Conway or whatever. I'm like, okay, let's

1605
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 9: go get these two notes. And she was like, no,

1606
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 9: can I just sing it? I know I can sing

1607
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 9: it better. I go, I know you can sing it better,

1608
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 9: but that's not what's needed. So I was like, she's like,

1609
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 9: just give me a chance. So I'm like okay, so

1610
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 9: I push, you know, and.

1611
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 8: She's like, every dam last stopped. I just stopped. And

1612
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 8: she's like, what are you doing.

1613
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 9: I'm like, you're fucking it up already, you know, And

1614
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 9: she's like, you're right. And then she she finally just

1615
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 9: got she just you know, she's you're right, I'm gonna

1616
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 9: ruin it.

1617
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was too. It was too. I love singers

1618
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 1: when they don't reach yep and no one. People rarely

1619
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: trust that process. Like I can't wait for the day

1620
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 1: when Mariah realizes that. I mean, just everyone who sangs,

1621
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: I can't wait for them to realize that because I

1622
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: feel like that's a defense shield, Like you're handing me

1623
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 1: your resume, and this is what I can do. All

1624
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 1: these acrobatic things I can do in thirteen sets sing

1625
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 1: the damn Medaldy, Yeah, and people don't trust it. Like

1626
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:58,720
Speaker 1: if you listen to Aretha Franklin's version of a song

1627
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 1: for You, the way that she mangles the words bad rhyme,

1628
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 1: she literally she sings it flat and off key as

1629
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 1: the character of the song. I know she was just

1630
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 1: saying I say something bad round or whatever. But to me,

1631
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: it's like I love when singers go dry, but it's

1632
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 1: so hard to convince them not to do otherwise. And

1633
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 1: I know that for her, her go to thing is

1634
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 1: instantly and I was like, how did you manage that miracle?

1635
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:34,640
Speaker 1: So she just thought she was doing a drive run

1636
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: through and that was it.

1637
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, And it did.

1638
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 9: And it was interesting because you know, I think she

1639
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 9: came out with that dirty song first and they pull

1640
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 9: that shit so fast and it was like beautiful just

1641
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 9: went right in and you know, in a sense, saved

1642
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 9: the day. But the wonderful thing about that it really

1643
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 9: did get people to experience her in a different way

1644
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 9: and I and I feel really proud, more proud in

1645
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 9: that moment because no matter what anybody wants to say

1646
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 9: about Christina, and believe.

1647
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 8: Me, you know, I get on her. But she knows that.

1648
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 8: But she is a very very talented girl.

1649
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 9: Like there's it's crazy her ears like you could have

1650
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 9: a sixty piece orchestra, eight piece band, whatever going on, singers, gospel,

1651
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 9: all of it. And she will hear the one violin

1652
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 9: that went out of tune at this spot and she,

1653
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 9: you know, will go, what's that? And I'll go, what

1654
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 9: do you mean? And I hear it, but she's but

1655
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 9: I'm thinking, there's no fucking way she can hear that.

1656
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 9: And she's like right there, and I'm like, we're right here,

1657
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 9: and I'll test her again, and I'll go and see

1658
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 9: if she's just saying things, and I'll test it again

1659
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 9: and she sas like, no, not there. I'm like right there,

1660
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 9: and it'll be I'll solo everything, and there's like a

1661
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 9: violin that's just out Like her, she's very very talented,

1662
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 9: and but she doesn't trust her talent enough. And that's

1663
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 9: what happens with a lot of these you know artists,

1664
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 9: you know, these singers, they don't trust themselves. Like when

1665
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 9: Aretha goes on stage, Aretha sings from her heart. When

1666
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 9: Janis Joplin got on stage, she reached out, closed her

1667
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 9: eyes and she was channeling god knows what, but it

1668
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 9: wasn't singing. She was feeling, you know. And I think

1669
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:29,719
Speaker 9: that's the part that everybody keeps forgetting. They keep forgetting

1670
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 9: there's an emotion attached to these lyrics. But here's here's

1671
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,719
Speaker 9: the thing that's gonna really blow up everything for you guys.

1672
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 9: Janis Joplin, you know, Aretha is gonna be a different story.

1673
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 9: But right now you have to understand a lot of

1674
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 9: these girls aren't writing these songs and these lyrics, so

1675
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:52,719
Speaker 9: they don't have any emotional connection. Now, why my songs

1676
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 9: with artists sound so good is because I always demo them,

1677
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 9: even with the Alicia Alicia Keith is love the way

1678
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 9: I sang, She's like, can you demo that you know

1679
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,720
Speaker 9: for me? And just love my my where I drop things,

1680
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 9: my phrasing, my emotion, because I could. I'm a you know,

1681
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 9: I feel you know, I'm in it. I don't care.

1682
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,759
Speaker 9: I don't care if there's one person here or a million.

1683
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,839
Speaker 9: I will give you the greatest show you've ever experienced

1684
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 9: because it's just what I do.

1685
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 8: It's who I am. But these girls don't know that experience.

1686
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 9: They don't understand because First of all, they don't have

1687
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 9: the experience of playing to people and getting that feedback,

1688
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 9: you know, and they don't they're not writing these songs,

1689
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 9: so they don't know how to give and deliver. They

1690
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 9: don't know how to deliver these songs because they don't.

1691
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 9: And then the people who are writing it, they're just

1692
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 9: getting session singers to sing it straight.

1693
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:48,720
Speaker 8: And that kink dank dunk thank ding ding thing, you know,

1694
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 8: like this the you know, like.

1695
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:54,639
Speaker 9: Fucking what's his fight? You know, fucking ass the doctor

1696
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:58,599
Speaker 9: Luke and is the same fucking lyric over and over

1697
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,839
Speaker 9: the same and you know, the same fucking format, their arrangement,

1698
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:05,560
Speaker 9: the same content, the same tone, the same everything. That

1699
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 9: motherfucker gives the same song over and over and over,

1700
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 9: and that's what these girls are hearing. But it's going

1701
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 9: number one. It's going fucking number one. It's all over

1702
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:19,679
Speaker 9: the place. So they're just they're used to being robots.

1703
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 9: They're not used to singing like Aretha God Forbid. And

1704
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 9: did you guys ever see the Divas.

1705
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 8: With Theretha Clean Carrey and Glory Sevon.

1706
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 9: It was the did you see that moment where it

1707
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 9: was so I mean I laughed, it was so awesome,

1708
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 9: and they're all singing the song, and then they're all

1709
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 9: stepping in taking there, and then Aretha just.

1710
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 8: Gets right in from them, and it's almost like it's

1711
01:32:58,280 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 8: a sing off.

1712
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 9: And then I think Lean was the last one, and

1713
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,880
Speaker 9: then they all just trickle off because you can't compete

1714
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 9: with Aretha Franklin because she's coming from a different place,

1715
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 9: Like that voice is coming from a.

1716
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 8: It's not she's not singing, she's she's she's having an experience.

1717
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 8: She's excusing your emotions, you know, And that's what we're

1718
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 8: missing right now.

1719
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 7: Well, what about the singer songwriter girls that are like

1720
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 7: really popular now, what about like the I'm scared to

1721
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:30,640
Speaker 7: say these names. We'll see the scissors, the hers and

1722
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 7: I love and then before them. I still there's there's

1723
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 7: still some singer songwriters out there, like Jill, there's the Erica's,

1724
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 7: there's the Marsha Ambrose's. They don't get to shine, but

1725
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 7: there are some. I just wanted to at least say

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Speaker 7: that name.

1727
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 1: The thing is also and the common the common uh

1728
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:54,759
Speaker 1: denominator with we can go to we can go to Phyllis,

1729
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 1: we can go to Whitney, we can go to UH

1730
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: like a lot of these women are also you know,

1731
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 1: when they're first presented, it's kind of like, you know,

1732
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 1: they're the first lady, they're the princess of a particular

1733
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 1: label head. Yeah, a label head that takes them, and

1734
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 1: then you know, it's like, eh, fifteen years later, you're

1735
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 1: kind of disposable. And I feel as though oftentimes they're

1736
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 1: like a racetrack and they're either looking in their rearview

1737
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,640
Speaker 1: mirror or they know that someone's behind them.

1738
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:26,720
Speaker 7: It usually happens they Clydes Grammy party every year, right,

1739
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 7: whenever he presents whoever the next right.

1740
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 1: And So what I'm asking is, and I know you

1741
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 1: have relationships with a lot of these label heads, so

1742
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:44,640
Speaker 1: without necessarily totally throwing them under the bus, but I

1743
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 1: feel like I won't even ask you, do you feel

1744
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: like I feel like we need a complete overhaul. And

1745
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 1: I asked this question of Jimmy jam and also of Usher.

1746
01:34:55,800 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 1: Are you willing to eventually one day stop being the

1747
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:07,599
Speaker 1: creative and be the new run Fair and be Jimmy Ivan?

1748
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 7: Right?

1749
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 1: But I mean to the place, But I still feel

1750
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 1: like their level of hierarchy, It's like, right now, it's

1751
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 1: either you're either dealing with Jimmy Ivan or you're dealing

1752
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 1: with who's head of Sony. No, I don't have right

1753
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 1: or r C eight like it's like whoever the main

1754
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:31,560
Speaker 1: three are. And almost feel as though we have to

1755
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 1: completely once we overhaul that system and replace them with

1756
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 1: people who are actual that get their hands dirty, you

1757
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean. No more lawyers running the companies.

1758
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, to let you know what I'm doing right

1759
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 9: now at a company called we are Here, and we're

1760
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 9: a record label. We're a publishing company, and we manage

1761
01:35:57,200 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 9: I manage an artist named Dorothy, that's rock Nation. I

1762
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 9: manage a girl named Angel Hayes.

1763
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 1: You guys might know.

1764
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 9: Okay, we have Willa, this fourteen year old, and she's

1765
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:14,719
Speaker 9: also on the label. I have on the label artist

1766
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 9: from UK named Lyon, a guy named Pete Mullinari from

1767
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 9: UK as well, and Natasha Beddingfield and I'm working on

1768
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:25,719
Speaker 9: her album. So the whole point of this record company

1769
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:30,879
Speaker 9: was to develop artists. Dorothy Willa, you know, we're developed.

1770
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 9: Even though she's on Rock Nation, she might as well,

1771
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:36,720
Speaker 9: you know, not be on a label because you know,

1772
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:40,719
Speaker 9: we're doing more work than they are. And I love Benny.

1773
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,720
Speaker 9: I think he's great. But you know right now that

1774
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 9: man's afraid of me right now, you know, because I

1775
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 9: have to get on them so much about I don't

1776
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 9: know what you guys are doing.

1777
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 8: But this is a rock and roll act.

1778
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 9: And you don't put a single out every day, you know,

1779
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 9: it's like you build and work an album. Right, So

1780
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 9: they're getting it and now they're stepping up to the table.

1781
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:03,240
Speaker 9: But so the purpose of the label is so our

1782
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 9: management agreements are basically handshakes. If you don't, if you're

1783
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 9: not with, if you don't, if you're not happy, we're

1784
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,840
Speaker 9: doing something wrong. I don't want to hold myself to you.

1785
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 9: Our record deals are like my son can read the contract.

1786
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 9: They're like, you know, paper thin, just like you know,

1787
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:29,720
Speaker 9: really just like four five pages in that we're developing them,

1788
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 9: we're with them. The publishing deal I just signed a

1789
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 9: deal with I have a partner, Carrie Brown is my partner,

1790
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 9: and we just did a deal with Peer Music JV

1791
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 9: for all our songwriters.

1792
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 8: I have a deal.

1793
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:50,519
Speaker 9: Distributing with Universal in Germany. It's a JV. And so

1794
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 9: a lot is going on and the whole purpose. We

1795
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:57,559
Speaker 9: just bought a record pressing plant so I can press records,

1796
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:00,760
Speaker 9: and we're going to have shows there and if you're

1797
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 9: not capable of playing a show on your own, and

1798
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 9: because it's going to go right to record, it goes

1799
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 9: right to vinyl, we can record right to the lay.

1800
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 9: And then we just bought a store front right on

1801
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 9: Ventura Boulevard in Studio O City, and it's going to

1802
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 9: be our offices up on top and downstairs will be

1803
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 9: our record store. We're gonna have merch, we're gonna have

1804
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:26,679
Speaker 9: a We're going to have a stage and a recording

1805
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 9: studio there that is going to be for kids to

1806
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:32,560
Speaker 9: come there and meet other kids that want to be

1807
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 9: in bands. You can showcase your material there. Our doors

1808
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 9: will always be open for anybody to come in and

1809
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 9: to express themselves, listen to records, and all the records

1810
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:46,679
Speaker 9: that we make from our vinyl, the live records will

1811
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 9: be available that we are here. We're building a community.

1812
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 9: So I want to get done with the Natasha record.

1813
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 9: I have one other thing i gotta do and then

1814
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 9: I'm done in here.

1815
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 1: And then I'm what does that mean? I'm done in here?

1816
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:05,240
Speaker 9: That means I'm getting myself out of the songwriter. I'll

1817
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:07,559
Speaker 9: always be a songwriter. But producer out of the studio

1818
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 9: and then I will run my label. Right now, I'm I'm, I'm,

1819
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 9: you know, David's here to help me make sure that

1820
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 9: I'm not missing anything.

1821
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 8: I'm on the phone. I call radio station.

1822
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:21,559
Speaker 9: Like our our artist Dorothy, I called radio station because

1823
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 9: she's a rock act. Breaking a rock act is hard,

1824
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:26,760
Speaker 9: you know, and so there's a different way. So I

1825
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 9: called radio stations myself. Hey, you know, this is Linda,

1826
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 9: what right I manage an artist named Dorothy? And I

1827
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 9: want to give you know, I want you to hear

1828
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 9: it and see what you think. And I would love

1829
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 9: to do something with you guys, and would love your support.

1830
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 9: I can't believe you're calling us. And I'm like, well,

1831
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:47,720
Speaker 9: radio was really good to my band, and I want

1832
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,719
Speaker 9: to make sure that my artists understand how valuable radio

1833
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 9: is still today, you know, and they love it. We

1834
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 9: bring our artists in, I mean, so I've developed all

1835
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 9: these you know, we got Dorothy all way up to

1836
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,760
Speaker 9: number eight on the rock charts, and then it was

1837
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 9: only rock Nation that fucked that all up by not

1838
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:12,599
Speaker 9: paying for the next round of installment for a radio promotion,

1839
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:14,680
Speaker 9: and we lost it.

1840
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:16,679
Speaker 8: And they were going into number five.

1841
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 9: We were going in top five, and those motherfuckers pulled

1842
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:24,639
Speaker 9: it without telling us, and my god, that man got

1843
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 9: such a reaming, you know, and that he came into

1844
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 9: my studio with his tail between his legs. And they

1845
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 9: understand what they did wrong. They didn't understand at the time,

1846
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 9: but they didn't believe us. They didn't believe that we'd

1847
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 9: get her to top twenty, you know. And then we

1848
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 9: got to top twenty, we got to top ten, and

1849
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:43,559
Speaker 9: we're going to number five. We're going to number five anyways.

1850
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:46,639
Speaker 9: But so that's what I'm talking about. I'm a manager,

1851
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:50,720
Speaker 9: I'm a label executive, and I'm a songwriter. But all

1852
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 9: of it goes together because my bigger fight is not

1853
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:56,240
Speaker 9: in here. My bigger fight is out there. And so

1854
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 9: yes am I that right now? I can call anybody

1855
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:02,160
Speaker 9: I want and probably get them on the telephone.

1856
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:04,560
Speaker 8: But am I Jimmy Ivy No? But will I be

1857
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 8: at the level Jimmy Ivy? Yes I will.

1858
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:12,400
Speaker 9: And I'm my label, But my label is doing something

1859
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:16,000
Speaker 9: very different right now. We're doing some really great things

1860
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 9: and it's about community. It's about you know, these kids,

1861
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 9: it's about showing that you do care and with a

1862
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 9: little bit of patience. You can go a long way

1863
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:27,559
Speaker 9: with an artist because it takes just a little bit

1864
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 9: for them to last a long time.

1865
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:31,519
Speaker 7: You know.

1866
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 1: I feel happy. It's beautiful what you're doing. I love it.

1867
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 1: It sounds amazing. Thank you. Wow, I'm super light. Well,

1868
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 1: thank you very much for talking to us today, Honor.

1869
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:48,960
Speaker 1: Thank you well, ladies and gentlemen. On behalf of Team

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01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 1: Supreme Boston on Paid Bill Sugar Steve fan Diagolo and

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Speaker 1: it's a yah. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to mangle

1872
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:01,360
Speaker 1: your name like that. All right, thank you very much

1873
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:04,600
Speaker 1: once again you for having me. I'm actually going to

1874
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:07,560
Speaker 1: listen to this episode and yeah, sympathy.

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01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:12,840
Speaker 7: Everything. You can start with that, and.

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01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:18,360
Speaker 1: Thank you anyway. This Quest Loves signing off Quest of

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