WEBVTT - The Jane Doe Dilemma 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:05.000 Amy and TJ Presents Aubrey Oday covering the Ditty Trial. 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:11.160 Welcome everyone to Amy Robot and TJ. Holmes Present Aubrey 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:15.440 Oday covering the Diddy Trial. My partner TJ Holmes with 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.640 me and we're looking at Aubrey O Day and there 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:23.880 is so much to talk about with Jane, Ditty's ex girlfriend, 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:26.680 the pseudonym Jane on the stand for the last couple 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:29.680 of days and now facing cross examination. But my goodness, 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.919 we heard a lot from Jane. 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:33.839 A ton. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:39.760 So her testimony has been so difficult for me and 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:41.959 I've been you know, Amy, I texted you a bit 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.360 this weekend, back and forth like I'm having a hard 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:47.800 time with this. And this was the same feeling that 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.239 I got in the very beginning when all of this started. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:56.600 Is there's this I kind of I think there's a 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.560 generational thing that's happening. The older women on stand the 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.200 psychology of what's going on in this trial much better 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:07.320 than the younger generations. There's racial elements that are occurring. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:12.480 Certain communities understand different behaviors differently, and I have such 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.280 a diverse group of everything around me that I hear 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:19.360 conflicting ideas and understandings of what is going on so 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.440 much that I sit back with myself and then I 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.040 end up sending you a text in the middle of 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.600 the night like how do we approach this as women? 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:30.280 But we're pro women, but how do we say these 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:33.160 hard things? And kind of what it gets down to her, 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.000 I mean the things she's established for the prosecution, we 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:40.160 should get out of the way, violence, force, coercion. There 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:45.280 are lots of moving escorts across lines. She listed a 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:49.360 number of escorts, a number of different places that they went, 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:55.560 horrible stories like vomiting during the freak offs after the 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.000 second guy had been with her, and then Puffy coming 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.320 in and saying, oh, that's a good thing. That means 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.880 you'll be nice and prime to get number three. He's 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:08.519 waiting outside like things like that that are very disturbing. 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.560 All sit on your heart. And she kind of has 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.960 the same that same line of thinking, which is that 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.920 like defaulting to sex in order to get his attention. 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:23.000 If I don't this, he won't this period. Everybody said it, 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.240 that's the way to get this man to pay attention 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:26.920 to you and to want to stay with you. And 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.120 if you don't do what he wants, then he goes 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.600 somewherewhere else, and so they always end up doing that. 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.200 There's always the drop of the drugs. It's not that 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:38.040 I don't believe women, but it's her details are hard 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:41.240 for me to process, and I'm trying to stay open 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:45.240 and lead with compassion even as I work through my 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:51.080 own doubts, and my own doubts start around this area. 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:55.160 She's with him when Cassie's lawsuit drops. This is a 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.840 more recent quote girlfriend. Like I said, I don't think 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.959 girl girlfriend should be a title for any of these women. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.919 You have to care about somebody with that title. 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.720 So this is a girl for him, but he's there 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:12.000 when Cassie's case drops. She recalls seeing it and feeling 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.920 like she's reading her own tell all book. Basically, she 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.160 recognizes the behavior, she recognizes the feelings. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:20.320 She gets to see what the. 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:23.280 Words are in black and white, what they're called, what 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:28.160 the legal words are, sex trafficking. It's a rico organization. 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:33.000 There's rape, there's all. And so she's realizing I'm not 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.080 even special. This wasn't something he was just doing with me. 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.360 He was doing it with everybody. All these behaviors I do. 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:41.520 I thought that was our thing. 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:42.000 It's not. 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.200 She's recognizing and seeing all of this. Then all of 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.400 a sudden, he's blowing her up. For the first time, 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.280 we get to hear puff is going after somebody else, 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.160 because we know he never does that, does he. It's 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.440 always them trying to get his attention. But this time 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.400 he needs hers. He needs her to defend him. He 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.880 needs her to say say, hey, it's mutual. He needs 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:03.280 her to go out there and tell the world we 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.760 did this together. She also notices that she can hear 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:11.200 him writing on a like a blackboard. She remembers he 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.480 would always strategize his days out and plan things, so 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:18.080 she feels like he's kind of strategizing. She doesn't know 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:22.880 she's being taped, but he's taping the conversations, and he's 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.719 kind of basically egging her on to say this was complicit. 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.880 You wanted this, we both wanted this, and she's kind 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:32.400 of like, I don't know, I'm overwhelmed. I don't you know. 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:36.040 She's just overwhelmed at this point, right, So they're bickering 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:40.520 back and forth, it's getting into dicey territory, and then 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.320 there's this conversation of okay, then let's be clear let's 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.400 not have any more like uncertain lines. 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.760 What's your price? What is it that you want? 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:54.560 And she says she wants one fifty per year, four 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.680 point fifty for the three that she's served, and then 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.960 two years of her house being handled, she was able 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:01.520 to say what her. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:05.320 So that's difficult when you know that and you're hearing 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.480 it in her own words. You're hearing taped recordings, as 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.680 you pointed out, text messages between the two where she 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.760 seems to clearly not only be willing to do all 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.680 of these things, but some court reporters described her voice 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.640 as giddy in those recordings. 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:27.680 Yeah. Yes, And at that point, I'm starting to realize 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.200 I might not only be looking at a victim. I 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:35.279 might be looking at someone who's learned to survive by 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.039 manipulating others as well. 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.679 And you can be both. You can be both. 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.080 And that's the part that's hard to say as a 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.080 woman that I was trying to say to you this weekend. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:45.800 I think you can be both. 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:53.280 If they're if a victim, if there's always psychological reasons 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:57.440 as to why somebody continues to be a victim, and 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.680 you can't ever really get down to the bottom of it, 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.400 I think for me, where I would have to start 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:08.159 as a woman holding another woman accountable is when they 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:12.760 have been given enough information to recognize it. Because when 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:17.000 you recognize something, you can decide potentially what happens next, 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.119 and that's when you can kind of get a little 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:20.800 bit back on your power. 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.400 You can start getting a bit of your power back. 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:25.400 And there has to. 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:30.200 Be some point that we do acknowledge what our behavior is, 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.320 and there has to be some point where we hold 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:33.440 ourselves accountable. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:34.760 We don't get to. 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:38.960 Be because we are women, or because there's power and balances, 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:43.360 or because somebody has literally got the money of all 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.160 men and as a king and a god and whatever 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.479 else he wants to call himself at the end of 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.359 the day, that there still has to be a point 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:56.000 where everybody in this lifetime has to hold themself accountable 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:00.000 and acknowledge their behavior. And it doesn't mean that they're 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.760 not a victim at all to either. It's not stripping 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:04.760 that away, but that has to exist. 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.520 But it sounds like you're hearing something in her testimony 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.440 over the past several days that you are now in 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:14.240 your mind, So that means maybe in juror's minds, there's 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.360 some accountability. 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:17.520 Definitely in juror's minds. 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.720 That she should have taken. Then where I mean, it's 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:23.160 the largest conversation in society we can have, but it's 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.560 also an important one in that courtroom. But where are 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:29.880 we Where do you find accountability in her testimony to 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.040 where she had opportunities that you think the jury might 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:33.640 see as well? 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.360 Okay, and then keep remember that very in because you 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.240 know how I wander and I want to talk about 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:39.880 the jury at the end of this for a second, 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.480 because we're getting a lot more information about the jury now, 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.200 and it's we'll save it for a podcast, but let's 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.720 dive into it a tiny bit. You ask me where 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:51.600 I see the opportunities if I'm in the jury. After 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.160 she says what her price is, he says, fuck you. 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.800 They go back and forth. He threatens to show her 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:01.680 baby daddy the tapes of her in these videos in 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.400 the freak offs or they were calling it a hotel 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:05.560 parties or hotel nights. 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.520 That's key. Grab a hold of that piece. 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:12.440 And then they in the call with her saying she 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:17.160 wants to kill herself, nobody will ever love her. Then 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.760 he says, call KK. She handles everything good old co 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:31.080 conspirator having asked KK allegedly, so KK responds with hey babe, period, 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.160 and then it goes on to tell her, you guys 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.280 always have your issues. Things always end up working out. 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:39.480 We always find ourselves back here. You just need to 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.360 take a break. So she finds herself at a point 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.360 where there's a break. She gets her only fans popping off. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.719 She gets invited to be sent out to Vegas. She 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.120 gets invited to go out date or go be seen whatever. 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:57.839 There's money, there's opportunity, there's. 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:57.320 Things happening there. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:02.040 She gets brought back to a room where there's a 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:06.520 famous rapper, famous people, famous girlfriends. They were holding back 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:11.360 from the names being displayed, but basically she realizes, oh wow, 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.559 there's a freak off happening in this room right now 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.280 with Anton. He's one of my regulars over with Puff. 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:20.240 I just think that part's important because this is happening 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.120 with a whole lot of rappers apparently, and they may 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.800 be all using the same people because she recognized Anton. 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.280 Then she goes through that whole phase, and then Diddy 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:35.000 hits her up one day, missing that smile. There's opportunities 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.720 through all of this now, right because she's still he's 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.120 paying for her place and all of that, but she's 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.800 getting her income on by doing OnlyFans. She's getting paid 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.600 by doing other potential escorting or whatever we want to 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.400 call it gigs. And then her and Diddy start talking. 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:55.079 She starts fighting back. They have conversations, and she ends 0:09:55.160 --> 0:10:01.280 up back in freakofs again. So she's now seeing Cassie's suit. 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.679 She understands the piece that she didn't ever experience was 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.000 the fighting. She even asked him about it. He says, 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:11.000 Cassie threw hands a lot. She was a fighter. So 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:15.360 she comes back, freak offs start occurring, She's back up 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:19.640 in them, March hits, Homeland Security comes knocking. Did he 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.040 pays for her to have attorneys? All of these are 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:25.480 the open areas you're asking me about, TJ. She had 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:27.600 Homeland Security sitting in front of you at this point. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:28.440 You're safe girl. 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.960 When I sat with Homeland Security, I was like, am 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.640 I safe? And they told me the level of protection 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.880 that I'm at at this game, at this stage and 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:40.040 this time of at this point, and how visible I 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:44.680 make myself. They're like, you make yourself pretty visible. It'd 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.400 be hard to get rid of you. People would be 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.800 wondering where the fuck you're at. You know, you can 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:54.040 ask them these types of questions. These are all moments opportunities. Okay. 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.720 So then even after Homeland Security comes, he pays for 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:02.120 her attorney and comes back Good Ol'lanton. It runs around 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.560 with all the wrappers and the freak offs. Apparently many 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.559 of them are doing it. Good o'lanton comes back and 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.240 extorts her with one of the videos that was taken 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.640 on his phone. A media company ends up buying that 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.280 video and it never gets seen again. I'd like to 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:17.800 know what media company that was. 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.079 Hmmm, let's put. 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:24.360 The internet to work. Then June comes and that's when 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.520 the knockdown fight happens. That's when the abuse comes her way. 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:32.079 We heard a lot of horrific abuse, so much abuse 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.400 that it goes through the night to the next morning. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:38.720 When someone's arriving for a freakoff, she has to go 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.679 get herself. Cute comes out, he gives her the pill 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:44.800 and he looks her dead in her eyes and says, 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.559 now this is now You're being coerced. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:50.440 Is this coersion to you? 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.800 And then she goes into the freak off and starts 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:57.520 performing for the freakoff. 0:11:58.000 --> 0:11:59.560 You know what, can I ask you? What did you 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.439 make of you? Remember Diddy's apology video. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.679 Yeah, that's coming. So my next part these little moments 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.880 where you're saying, where's her opportunities? So that whole freak 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.720 off ends in a really bad way. He sends twelve 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:17.000 to fifteen thousand to pay for the fucked up Airbnb, 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:22.120 pay for Anton and whatever else. Then July comes another 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:27.400 freak off. Puff gets bored. This time has a black 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:30.360 bottle of liquid Mollie that he sprays in her mouth. 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:34.079 Let's all just remember that in case it ever gets 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.400 brought up in a marine day in the future. A 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.439 black bottle spray in your mouth. It's the new it 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.720 drug that everyone's doing. You've never had anything like it. 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:44.600 She said she had the best sex of her life. 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.439 She's never performed better than when she got that spray 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:52.880 out of the black bottle. Okay, so then she she's 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.320 going off. Puff's looking bored. At one point during a 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:00.439 freak off she wants to bring She says she misses Paul. 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:01.720 They call Paul. 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.240 Paul can be there. In a couple of days. Paul comes. 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:09.040 They get involved in these freak offs. August is the 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.320 last time she sees him, but she gets ready to 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.559 go see him again. And by the way, the Cassie 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:18.000 tape during this time has dropped. She's there when they're 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:22.240 plotting how do we respond to this? She's even shown 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.679 a video of one of the versions of his apology 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.720 and thinks her responses, and they tried to stop her 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:33.840 at every angle the defense did. Her response is it 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.600 doesn't feel sincere, which was what we all got from 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.280 the version we saw. She saw a different version, not 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.640 even the one that we saw. But there were takes, 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.320 tj there were multiple takes and not that like, you know, 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:47.720 if you're a smart guy and you've got a lot 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:49.800 of rich lawyers around you, you probably should do a 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:55.600 few takes. But truly, if you're honestly sincerely sorry, do 0:13:55.679 --> 0:14:01.320 you do a few takes? And then she was asked 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.440 which one is the which is the best one? 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:05.520 Does this look good to you? 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:11.280 That's a choice to stay there, And then the last 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.839 time she sees him is in August, and then she 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.800 gets the drugs ready and all the products ready, and 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:18.480 she's about to get on the plane to get to 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.600 New York because they're gonna have another fun time in 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.240 New York and he accidentally goes and walks into the 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.640 hotel and gets indicted. The Feds grab him. That's the 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:30.480 video we all saw. She was snatched up, and then 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:34.720 she then says even after that point, she's her house 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:39.160 is still being paid by him. Her lawyers, two different lawyers, 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.960 are being paid by him. And she was working with 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.320 the defense in the very beginning and meeting with them 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.880 willingly until through some therapy she decided that she was 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:53.240 going to reclaim herself and reclaim herself as a woman 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:57.720 and stand up for herself. And now she is testifying. 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:11.720 I'm curious though, with all of that, Aubrey, and she's 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:16.120 fully admitted this. We're hearing the audio recordings, we're seeing 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.440 the text in real time where she does say she's 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.040 just wanting to be with him and she doesn't want 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.760 to go through all of these freak ofughs and the 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.200 pain and all of these things she's feeling. 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:27.280 So we're seeing all of that. 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:29.920 But then knowing the story I just laid out and 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.120 her being very upfront and transparent about it, doesn't that 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.840 make the atrocity she does testify to all the more credible. 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:38.920 Well, let's see how much more. 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.000 She didn't say today when she gets cross examined, because 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.800 with all of the details on the table, listen, it 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.520 started to get so messy for me in my head 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.920 as I was really watching, And mind you, I wasn't 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:58.160 just watching the breakdowns from really established journalists. I was 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:00.160 going all the way to the streets and listen to 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.400 what people were just saying after observing it in court 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:06.560 for themselves. When I went across the board and started 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:10.400 really assessing it from every angle, everybody was so divided 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:14.120 on her, so divided, and so for me, I really 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.080 had to sit back and think, like I feel, there 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:21.080 were moments that she had outs and I don't know 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.520 how to say that and still be pro woman and 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.960 not even and not still. I think the way to 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:29.880 do it is to say, I am looking at a 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:33.800 victim one hundred percent. I'm also looking at a victim 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:37.720 that potentially learned how to manipulate people to get things 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:38.880 that she wanted as well. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.040 Did he was manipulating, she was manipulating. Is there a. 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.600 Power imbalance and is there all kinds of things psychologically 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:50.640 that are out of her favor? Absolutely, But she, by 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:54.560 her own admission, at the very end, she says, you 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.320 know that she wishes him well and she hopes that 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:57.920 he's happy. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.920 I mean, she says she still loves him, and I. 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.280 Mean she could. 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.080 It felt like she'll give him a call if he 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:06.639 gets off, is what it was giving me. 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.439 I don't know, Yeah, yeah, I mean I think we 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.600 felt the same way, and that was a hard thing 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.680 to get our heads around. To know that she could 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:21.240 speak to these unthinkable atrocities that would be a horror 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.399 show for I think most people. And yet at the 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:28.000 same time, after having detailed and relived them, as she's 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.320 up on the stand right there and actually had the 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.960 videos being played for the court room. I mean, how 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.640 humiliating is that, even if at the time you were 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.400 doing what you were wanting to do. Still to see 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.240 such intimate private moments displayed, I mean, just what she 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.480 went through, and then to be able to still say 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.520 I love him and I wish nothing. 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:51.240 But peace for him. 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:55.880 That that's a I was struggling with how you could 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:56.680 think both things. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.800 It's given performance, you think. 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.720 It's performance, and on which one is the performance? 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.840 It's giving an awareness of manipulation A tiny bit. 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.080 Diddy was finicky. 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.040 They said he was the most finicky they've ever seen 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.919 of every witness that's taken the stand. She had a 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.720 stress ball in her hand that she was using during 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:23.520 the entire time. There's something there that's stressing both of 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.480 them out. Now, whether she's stressed over the cross and 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.760 he's stressed at her her taking the first stab at 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.920 the story. I don't know whether there's other people involved, 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:37.240 whether this gets much bigger, whether I don't for me, 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:38.840 I looked at it and I'm like, I don't see 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:42.080 an upside for her, Like she doesn't get to retire 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:43.000 into some settlement. 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:43.119 Now. 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:48.840 A lot of people are saying they were suggesting prosecution 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.040 kept trying to steal this away from the defense, like, 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.040 let's bring it up so when the defense does, it's 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.959 doesn't hit that hard that you know, eminem type, I'll 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.160 say everything bad about myself first, so when you come 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.800 for me, it doesn't look that bad. They did say 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:03.840 you went back to his house after they went through 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.040 their whole beat down, and you had a black eye, 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:07.920 and you took a lot of pictures that day with him, 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.680 a whole lot. There was a lot of voice memos, 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:15.000 there was a lot of saving things. Were you doing 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.400 that on purpose? Were you building a case. She kept saying, no, 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.440 she just wanted to show that she lives the lifestyle. 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.359 She wanted proof to be able to flosster her friends 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:25.200 and whatever else. 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:27.000 But you have a black eye. 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.480 I don't know. I don't take selfies with myself or 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.439 my lover that gave me a black eye when I 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.240 have a black eye, I don't know. Why did He 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:36.920 was even behaving like that because his ass was already 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.000 being investigated openly in front of the world, and he 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:41.919 was still in the freak offs. All the way up 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.800 to that hotel that he got busted up in with 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.080 his kids with him, he was still doing the freak offs. 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:49.639 He was still on the drugs. He still had a 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.359 girl coming. There was a girl willing to come. 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:55.720 Every woman in this entire world, and every man that's 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:58.520 decent for the most part, has a really big fucking 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:05.520 problem with that Cassie video. Disgusted, visceral men were having 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:09.840 visceral responses, and yet there was somebody there assessing how 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.199 the apology should look and willing to still come and 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:17.199 do a freak off. It's it's not giving me the 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:19.359 same thing that other people were giving. 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:20.720 It's giving me something different. 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:24.600 Is it establishing some things for the prosecution, like deeper 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:28.520 in the sex trafficking pocket. Yeah, we've gone deeper in 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:33.280 that pocket. But with all the confusion of their relationship 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.439 and the desires and the manipulating on both sides, it 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:40.080 almost feels like I'm overwhelmed and I don't know if 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:42.480 I can I can get back to the legal part. 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:45.480 And I'm hearing that a lot. 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.120 There's a lot of connection with Diddy and the jurors, 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.480 a few in particular. The judge has even made a 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:56.560 statement about no more contacting, no more facial communications with 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:01.600 the jury, bud, But how do you rewind that? How 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.760 do you rewind that? And so to me, I'm like, 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.200 I don't know this one is feeling. It's so dv 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:12.680 So you know, she's getting things. She's aware, she had 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:18.439 a price and she named it. Now did she get it? No, 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:20.080 it seems like she was still going back. 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:20.280 Now. 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:22.440 He also was paying for her home. But I see 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:25.320 a lot of women being like, listen, if someone were 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:28.520 paying for my home and having me completely come outside 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.680 myself and my only other option was to get a job, 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:37.040 I'd get a fucking job. Now that's hard, because that's 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:39.679 what I wrote you, Amy, like I've had many times 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:42.520 in my life where I have seen girls that decide 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:45.159