Speaker 1: Amy and TJ Presents Aubrey Oday covering the Ditty Trial.
Speaker 2: Welcome everyone to Amy Robot and TJ. Holmes Present Aubrey
Speaker 2: Oday covering the Diddy Trial. My partner TJ Holmes with
Speaker 2: me and we're looking at Aubrey O Day and there
Speaker 2: is so much to talk about with Jane, Ditty's ex girlfriend,
Speaker 2: the pseudonym Jane on the stand for the last couple
Speaker 2: of days and now facing cross examination. But my goodness,
Speaker 2: we heard a lot from Jane.
Speaker 3: A ton.
Speaker 4: So her testimony has been so difficult for me and
Speaker 4: I've been you know, Amy, I texted you a bit
Speaker 4: this weekend, back and forth like I'm having a hard
Speaker 4: time with this. And this was the same feeling that
Speaker 4: I got in the very beginning when all of this started.
Speaker 4: Is there's this I kind of I think there's a
Speaker 4: generational thing that's happening. The older women on stand the
Speaker 4: psychology of what's going on in this trial much better
Speaker 4: than the younger generations. There's racial elements that are occurring.
Speaker 4: Certain communities understand different behaviors differently, and I have such
Speaker 4: a diverse group of everything around me that I hear
Speaker 4: conflicting ideas and understandings of what is going on so
Speaker 4: much that I sit back with myself and then I
Speaker 4: end up sending you a text in the middle of
Speaker 4: the night like how do we approach this as women?
Speaker 4: But we're pro women, but how do we say these
Speaker 4: hard things? And kind of what it gets down to her,
Speaker 4: I mean the things she's established for the prosecution, we
Speaker 4: should get out of the way, violence, force, coercion. There
Speaker 4: are lots of moving escorts across lines. She listed a
Speaker 4: number of escorts, a number of different places that they went,
Speaker 4: horrible stories like vomiting during the freak offs after the
Speaker 4: second guy had been with her, and then Puffy coming
Speaker 4: in and saying, oh, that's a good thing. That means
Speaker 4: you'll be nice and prime to get number three. He's
Speaker 4: waiting outside like things like that that are very disturbing.
Speaker 4: All sit on your heart. And she kind of has
Speaker 4: the same that same line of thinking, which is that
Speaker 4: like defaulting to sex in order to get his attention.
Speaker 4: If I don't this, he won't this period. Everybody said it,
Speaker 4: that's the way to get this man to pay attention
Speaker 4: to you and to want to stay with you. And
Speaker 4: if you don't do what he wants, then he goes
Speaker 4: somewherewhere else, and so they always end up doing that.
Speaker 4: There's always the drop of the drugs. It's not that
Speaker 4: I don't believe women, but it's her details are hard
Speaker 4: for me to process, and I'm trying to stay open
Speaker 4: and lead with compassion even as I work through my
Speaker 4: own doubts, and my own doubts start around this area.
Speaker 4: She's with him when Cassie's lawsuit drops. This is a
Speaker 4: more recent quote girlfriend. Like I said, I don't think
Speaker 4: girl girlfriend should be a title for any of these women.
Speaker 3: You have to care about somebody with that title.
Speaker 4: So this is a girl for him, but he's there
Speaker 4: when Cassie's case drops. She recalls seeing it and feeling
Speaker 4: like she's reading her own tell all book. Basically, she
Speaker 4: recognizes the behavior, she recognizes the feelings.
Speaker 3: She gets to see what the.
Speaker 4: Words are in black and white, what they're called, what
Speaker 4: the legal words are, sex trafficking. It's a rico organization.
Speaker 4: There's rape, there's all. And so she's realizing I'm not
Speaker 4: even special. This wasn't something he was just doing with me.
Speaker 4: He was doing it with everybody. All these behaviors I do.
Speaker 4: I thought that was our thing.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 4: She's recognizing and seeing all of this. Then all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, he's blowing her up. For the first time,
Speaker 4: we get to hear puff is going after somebody else,
Speaker 4: because we know he never does that, does he. It's
Speaker 4: always them trying to get his attention. But this time
Speaker 4: he needs hers. He needs her to defend him. He
Speaker 4: needs her to say say, hey, it's mutual. He needs
Speaker 4: her to go out there and tell the world we
Speaker 4: did this together. She also notices that she can hear
Speaker 4: him writing on a like a blackboard. She remembers he
Speaker 4: would always strategize his days out and plan things, so
Speaker 4: she feels like he's kind of strategizing. She doesn't know
Speaker 4: she's being taped, but he's taping the conversations, and he's
Speaker 4: kind of basically egging her on to say this was complicit.
Speaker 4: You wanted this, we both wanted this, and she's kind
Speaker 4: of like, I don't know, I'm overwhelmed. I don't you know.
Speaker 4: She's just overwhelmed at this point, right, So they're bickering
Speaker 4: back and forth, it's getting into dicey territory, and then
Speaker 4: there's this conversation of okay, then let's be clear let's
Speaker 4: not have any more like uncertain lines.
Speaker 3: What's your price? What is it that you want?
Speaker 4: And she says she wants one fifty per year, four
Speaker 4: point fifty for the three that she's served, and then
Speaker 4: two years of her house being handled, she was able
Speaker 4: to say what her.
Speaker 2: So that's difficult when you know that and you're hearing
Speaker 2: it in her own words. You're hearing taped recordings, as
Speaker 2: you pointed out, text messages between the two where she
Speaker 2: seems to clearly not only be willing to do all
Speaker 2: of these things, but some court reporters described her voice
Speaker 2: as giddy in those recordings.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yes, And at that point, I'm starting to realize
Speaker 4: I might not only be looking at a victim. I
Speaker 4: might be looking at someone who's learned to survive by
Speaker 4: manipulating others as well.
Speaker 3: And you can be both. You can be both.
Speaker 4: And that's the part that's hard to say as a
Speaker 4: woman that I was trying to say to you this weekend.
Speaker 3: I think you can be both.
Speaker 4: If they're if a victim, if there's always psychological reasons
Speaker 4: as to why somebody continues to be a victim, and
Speaker 4: you can't ever really get down to the bottom of it,
Speaker 4: I think for me, where I would have to start
Speaker 4: as a woman holding another woman accountable is when they
Speaker 4: have been given enough information to recognize it. Because when
Speaker 4: you recognize something, you can decide potentially what happens next,
Speaker 4: and that's when you can kind of get a little
Speaker 4: bit back on your power.
Speaker 3: You can start getting a bit of your power back.
Speaker 3: And there has to.
Speaker 4: Be some point that we do acknowledge what our behavior is,
Speaker 4: and there has to be some point where we hold
Speaker 4: ourselves accountable.
Speaker 3: We don't get to.
Speaker 4: Be because we are women, or because there's power and balances,
Speaker 4: or because somebody has literally got the money of all
Speaker 4: men and as a king and a god and whatever
Speaker 4: else he wants to call himself at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, that there still has to be a point
Speaker 4: where everybody in this lifetime has to hold themself accountable
Speaker 4: and acknowledge their behavior. And it doesn't mean that they're
Speaker 4: not a victim at all to either. It's not stripping
Speaker 4: that away, but that has to exist.
Speaker 1: But it sounds like you're hearing something in her testimony
Speaker 1: over the past several days that you are now in
Speaker 1: your mind, So that means maybe in juror's minds, there's
Speaker 1: some accountability.
Speaker 4: Definitely in juror's minds.
Speaker 1: That she should have taken. Then where I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the largest conversation in society we can have, but it's
Speaker 1: also an important one in that courtroom. But where are
Speaker 1: we Where do you find accountability in her testimony to
Speaker 1: where she had opportunities that you think the jury might
Speaker 1: see as well?
Speaker 4: Okay, and then keep remember that very in because you
Speaker 4: know how I wander and I want to talk about
Speaker 4: the jury at the end of this for a second,
Speaker 4: because we're getting a lot more information about the jury now,
Speaker 4: and it's we'll save it for a podcast, but let's
Speaker 4: dive into it a tiny bit. You ask me where
Speaker 4: I see the opportunities if I'm in the jury. After
Speaker 4: she says what her price is, he says, fuck you.
Speaker 4: They go back and forth. He threatens to show her
Speaker 4: baby daddy the tapes of her in these videos in
Speaker 4: the freak offs or they were calling it a hotel
Speaker 4: parties or hotel nights.
Speaker 3: That's key. Grab a hold of that piece.
Speaker 4: And then they in the call with her saying she
Speaker 4: wants to kill herself, nobody will ever love her. Then
Speaker 4: he says, call KK. She handles everything good old co
Speaker 4: conspirator having asked KK allegedly, so KK responds with hey babe, period,
Speaker 4: and then it goes on to tell her, you guys
Speaker 4: always have your issues. Things always end up working out.
Speaker 4: We always find ourselves back here. You just need to
Speaker 4: take a break. So she finds herself at a point
Speaker 4: where there's a break. She gets her only fans popping off.
Speaker 4: She gets invited to be sent out to Vegas. She
Speaker 4: gets invited to go out date or go be seen whatever.
Speaker 4: There's money, there's opportunity, there's.
Speaker 3: Things happening there.
Speaker 4: She gets brought back to a room where there's a
Speaker 4: famous rapper, famous people, famous girlfriends. They were holding back
Speaker 4: from the names being displayed, but basically she realizes, oh wow,
Speaker 4: there's a freak off happening in this room right now
Speaker 4: with Anton. He's one of my regulars over with Puff.
Speaker 4: I just think that part's important because this is happening
Speaker 4: with a whole lot of rappers apparently, and they may
Speaker 4: be all using the same people because she recognized Anton.
Speaker 4: Then she goes through that whole phase, and then Diddy
Speaker 4: hits her up one day, missing that smile. There's opportunities
Speaker 4: through all of this now, right because she's still he's
Speaker 4: paying for her place and all of that, but she's
Speaker 4: getting her income on by doing OnlyFans. She's getting paid
Speaker 4: by doing other potential escorting or whatever we want to
Speaker 4: call it gigs. And then her and Diddy start talking.
Speaker 4: She starts fighting back. They have conversations, and she ends
Speaker 4: up back in freakofs again. So she's now seeing Cassie's suit.
Speaker 4: She understands the piece that she didn't ever experience was
Speaker 4: the fighting. She even asked him about it. He says,
Speaker 4: Cassie threw hands a lot. She was a fighter. So
Speaker 4: she comes back, freak offs start occurring, She's back up
Speaker 4: in them, March hits, Homeland Security comes knocking. Did he
Speaker 4: pays for her to have attorneys? All of these are
Speaker 4: the open areas you're asking me about, TJ. She had
Speaker 4: Homeland Security sitting in front of you at this point.
Speaker 3: You're safe girl.
Speaker 4: When I sat with Homeland Security, I was like, am
Speaker 4: I safe? And they told me the level of protection
Speaker 4: that I'm at at this game, at this stage and
Speaker 4: this time of at this point, and how visible I
Speaker 4: make myself. They're like, you make yourself pretty visible. It'd
Speaker 4: be hard to get rid of you. People would be
Speaker 4: wondering where the fuck you're at. You know, you can
Speaker 4: ask them these types of questions. These are all moments opportunities. Okay.
Speaker 4: So then even after Homeland Security comes, he pays for
Speaker 4: her attorney and comes back Good Ol'lanton. It runs around
Speaker 4: with all the wrappers and the freak offs. Apparently many
Speaker 4: of them are doing it. Good o'lanton comes back and
Speaker 4: extorts her with one of the videos that was taken
Speaker 4: on his phone. A media company ends up buying that
Speaker 4: video and it never gets seen again. I'd like to
Speaker 4: know what media company that was.
Speaker 3: Hmmm, let's put.
Speaker 4: The internet to work. Then June comes and that's when
Speaker 4: the knockdown fight happens. That's when the abuse comes her way.
Speaker 4: We heard a lot of horrific abuse, so much abuse
Speaker 4: that it goes through the night to the next morning.
Speaker 4: When someone's arriving for a freakoff, she has to go
Speaker 4: get herself. Cute comes out, he gives her the pill
Speaker 4: and he looks her dead in her eyes and says,
Speaker 4: now this is now You're being coerced.
Speaker 3: Is this coersion to you?
Speaker 4: And then she goes into the freak off and starts
Speaker 4: performing for the freakoff.
Speaker 1: You know what, can I ask you? What did you
Speaker 1: make of you? Remember Diddy's apology video.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's coming. So my next part these little moments
Speaker 4: where you're saying, where's her opportunities? So that whole freak
Speaker 4: off ends in a really bad way. He sends twelve
Speaker 4: to fifteen thousand to pay for the fucked up Airbnb,
Speaker 4: pay for Anton and whatever else. Then July comes another
Speaker 4: freak off. Puff gets bored. This time has a black
Speaker 4: bottle of liquid Mollie that he sprays in her mouth.
Speaker 4: Let's all just remember that in case it ever gets
Speaker 4: brought up in a marine day in the future. A
Speaker 4: black bottle spray in your mouth. It's the new it
Speaker 4: drug that everyone's doing. You've never had anything like it.
Speaker 4: She said she had the best sex of her life.
Speaker 4: She's never performed better than when she got that spray
Speaker 4: out of the black bottle. Okay, so then she she's
Speaker 4: going off. Puff's looking bored. At one point during a
Speaker 4: freak off she wants to bring She says she misses Paul.
Speaker 3: They call Paul.
Speaker 4: Paul can be there. In a couple of days. Paul comes.
Speaker 4: They get involved in these freak offs. August is the
Speaker 4: last time she sees him, but she gets ready to
Speaker 4: go see him again. And by the way, the Cassie
Speaker 4: tape during this time has dropped. She's there when they're
Speaker 4: plotting how do we respond to this? She's even shown
Speaker 4: a video of one of the versions of his apology
Speaker 4: and thinks her responses, and they tried to stop her
Speaker 4: at every angle the defense did. Her response is it
Speaker 4: doesn't feel sincere, which was what we all got from
Speaker 4: the version we saw. She saw a different version, not
Speaker 4: even the one that we saw. But there were takes,
Speaker 4: tj there were multiple takes and not that like, you know,
Speaker 4: if you're a smart guy and you've got a lot
Speaker 4: of rich lawyers around you, you probably should do a
Speaker 4: few takes. But truly, if you're honestly sincerely sorry, do
Speaker 4: you do a few takes? And then she was asked
Speaker 4: which one is the which is the best one?
Speaker 3: Does this look good to you?
Speaker 4: That's a choice to stay there, And then the last
Speaker 4: time she sees him is in August, and then she
Speaker 4: gets the drugs ready and all the products ready, and
Speaker 4: she's about to get on the plane to get to
Speaker 4: New York because they're gonna have another fun time in
Speaker 4: New York and he accidentally goes and walks into the
Speaker 4: hotel and gets indicted. The Feds grab him. That's the
Speaker 4: video we all saw. She was snatched up, and then
Speaker 4: she then says even after that point, she's her house
Speaker 4: is still being paid by him. Her lawyers, two different lawyers,
Speaker 4: are being paid by him. And she was working with
Speaker 4: the defense in the very beginning and meeting with them
Speaker 4: willingly until through some therapy she decided that she was
Speaker 4: going to reclaim herself and reclaim herself as a woman
Speaker 4: and stand up for herself. And now she is testifying.
Speaker 2: I'm curious though, with all of that, Aubrey, and she's
Speaker 2: fully admitted this. We're hearing the audio recordings, we're seeing
Speaker 2: the text in real time where she does say she's
Speaker 2: just wanting to be with him and she doesn't want
Speaker 2: to go through all of these freak ofughs and the
Speaker 2: pain and all of these things she's feeling.
Speaker 5: So we're seeing all of that.
Speaker 2: But then knowing the story I just laid out and
Speaker 2: her being very upfront and transparent about it, doesn't that
Speaker 2: make the atrocity she does testify to all the more credible.
Speaker 3: Well, let's see how much more.
Speaker 4: She didn't say today when she gets cross examined, because
Speaker 4: with all of the details on the table, listen, it
Speaker 4: started to get so messy for me in my head
Speaker 4: as I was really watching, And mind you, I wasn't
Speaker 4: just watching the breakdowns from really established journalists. I was
Speaker 4: going all the way to the streets and listen to
Speaker 4: what people were just saying after observing it in court
Speaker 4: for themselves. When I went across the board and started
Speaker 4: really assessing it from every angle, everybody was so divided
Speaker 4: on her, so divided, and so for me, I really
Speaker 4: had to sit back and think, like I feel, there
Speaker 4: were moments that she had outs and I don't know
Speaker 4: how to say that and still be pro woman and
Speaker 4: not even and not still. I think the way to
Speaker 4: do it is to say, I am looking at a
Speaker 4: victim one hundred percent. I'm also looking at a victim
Speaker 4: that potentially learned how to manipulate people to get things
Speaker 4: that she wanted as well.
Speaker 3: Did he was manipulating, she was manipulating. Is there a.
Speaker 4: Power imbalance and is there all kinds of things psychologically
Speaker 4: that are out of her favor? Absolutely, But she, by
Speaker 4: her own admission, at the very end, she says, you
Speaker 4: know that she wishes him well and she hopes that
Speaker 4: he's happy.
Speaker 5: I mean, she says she still loves him, and I.
Speaker 3: Mean she could.
Speaker 4: It felt like she'll give him a call if he
Speaker 4: gets off, is what it was giving me.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, yeah, I mean I think we
Speaker 2: felt the same way, and that was a hard thing
Speaker 2: to get our heads around. To know that she could
Speaker 2: speak to these unthinkable atrocities that would be a horror
Speaker 2: show for I think most people. And yet at the
Speaker 2: same time, after having detailed and relived them, as she's
Speaker 2: up on the stand right there and actually had the
Speaker 2: videos being played for the court room. I mean, how
Speaker 2: humiliating is that, even if at the time you were
Speaker 2: doing what you were wanting to do. Still to see
Speaker 2: such intimate private moments displayed, I mean, just what she
Speaker 2: went through, and then to be able to still say
Speaker 2: I love him and I wish nothing.
Speaker 5: But peace for him.
Speaker 2: That that's a I was struggling with how you could
Speaker 2: think both things.
Speaker 3: It's given performance, you think.
Speaker 5: It's performance, and on which one is the performance?
Speaker 4: It's giving an awareness of manipulation A tiny bit.
Speaker 3: Diddy was finicky.
Speaker 4: They said he was the most finicky they've ever seen
Speaker 4: of every witness that's taken the stand. She had a
Speaker 4: stress ball in her hand that she was using during
Speaker 4: the entire time. There's something there that's stressing both of
Speaker 4: them out. Now, whether she's stressed over the cross and
Speaker 4: he's stressed at her her taking the first stab at
Speaker 4: the story. I don't know whether there's other people involved,
Speaker 4: whether this gets much bigger, whether I don't for me,
Speaker 4: I looked at it and I'm like, I don't see
Speaker 4: an upside for her, Like she doesn't get to retire
Speaker 4: into some settlement.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: A lot of people are saying they were suggesting prosecution
Speaker 4: kept trying to steal this away from the defense, like,
Speaker 4: let's bring it up so when the defense does, it's
Speaker 4: doesn't hit that hard that you know, eminem type, I'll
Speaker 4: say everything bad about myself first, so when you come
Speaker 4: for me, it doesn't look that bad. They did say
Speaker 4: you went back to his house after they went through
Speaker 4: their whole beat down, and you had a black eye,
Speaker 4: and you took a lot of pictures that day with him,
Speaker 4: a whole lot. There was a lot of voice memos,
Speaker 4: there was a lot of saving things. Were you doing
Speaker 4: that on purpose? Were you building a case. She kept saying, no,
Speaker 4: she just wanted to show that she lives the lifestyle.
Speaker 4: She wanted proof to be able to flosster her friends
Speaker 4: and whatever else.
Speaker 3: But you have a black eye.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't take selfies with myself or
Speaker 4: my lover that gave me a black eye when I
Speaker 4: have a black eye, I don't know. Why did He
Speaker 4: was even behaving like that because his ass was already
Speaker 4: being investigated openly in front of the world, and he
Speaker 4: was still in the freak offs. All the way up
Speaker 4: to that hotel that he got busted up in with
Speaker 4: his kids with him, he was still doing the freak offs.
Speaker 3: He was still on the drugs. He still had a
Speaker 3: girl coming. There was a girl willing to come.
Speaker 4: Every woman in this entire world, and every man that's
Speaker 4: decent for the most part, has a really big fucking
Speaker 4: problem with that Cassie video. Disgusted, visceral men were having
Speaker 4: visceral responses, and yet there was somebody there assessing how
Speaker 4: the apology should look and willing to still come and
Speaker 4: do a freak off. It's it's not giving me the
Speaker 4: same thing that other people were giving.
Speaker 3: It's giving me something different.
Speaker 4: Is it establishing some things for the prosecution, like deeper
Speaker 4: in the sex trafficking pocket. Yeah, we've gone deeper in
Speaker 4: that pocket. But with all the confusion of their relationship
Speaker 4: and the desires and the manipulating on both sides, it
Speaker 4: almost feels like I'm overwhelmed and I don't know if
Speaker 4: I can I can get back to the legal part.
Speaker 3: And I'm hearing that a lot.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of connection with Diddy and the jurors,
Speaker 4: a few in particular. The judge has even made a
Speaker 4: statement about no more contacting, no more facial communications with
Speaker 4: the jury, bud, But how do you rewind that? How
Speaker 4: do you rewind that? And so to me, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't know this one is feeling. It's so dv
Speaker 4: So you know, she's getting things. She's aware, she had
Speaker 4: a price and she named it. Now did she get it? No,
Speaker 4: it seems like she was still going back.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: He also was paying for her home. But I see
Speaker 4: a lot of women being like, listen, if someone were
Speaker 4: paying for my home and having me completely come outside
Speaker 4: myself and my only other option was to get a job,
Speaker 4: I'd get a fucking job. Now that's hard, because that's
Speaker 4: what I wrote you, Amy, like I've had many times
Speaker 4: in my life where I have seen girls that decide
Speaker 4: to go down a different route than having to figure
Speaker 4: out the nine to five or whatever a job looks
Speaker 4: like to anyone's dreams, okay, and how I've always had
Speaker 4: a bit of judgment for those girls because they just
Speaker 4: have it so easy, and I never do even when
Speaker 4: I have to make.
Speaker 3: It look easy, it's so hard.
Speaker 4: But then I see what they're having to do on
Speaker 4: the stand, and I'm realizing that's worse than my worst day.
Speaker 4: So then what I wrote ended up writing you I
Speaker 4: think this week and was just like I asked TJ
Speaker 4: if he feels these things, because I don't know that
Speaker 4: women have the same options as men. I don't even
Speaker 4: know that we're socialized or understand ourselves to be of
Speaker 4: the same value as men, even if we were raised
Speaker 4: in a healthy situation. I don't it sounds so easy
Speaker 4: to me, go get a job. It's got to be
Speaker 4: better than this other stuff. But she didn't. She stayed
Speaker 4: in that lane, and it was good for her and
Speaker 4: fine with her, but then it wasn't fine with her
Speaker 4: because she's on the stand, and it's not fine with her.
Speaker 4: And one more thing I wanted to point out, they're
Speaker 4: going to really push you want your own lawsuit, You
Speaker 4: set it up to kind of be your own version
Speaker 4: of what you read throughout casting, and then kind of
Speaker 4: they're going to suggest that she likely was manifesting it
Speaker 4: through her behavior.
Speaker 3: How I look at it is.
Speaker 4: She hasn't filed a lawsuit and she wishes him well,
Speaker 4: but she's also nowhere near the statute of limitation. Either.
Speaker 4: My statute of limitation and for my era of anyone
Speaker 4: that was abused ended the day it ended. I remember
Speaker 4: I went to dinner with my friends and we all
Speaker 4: had a drink because I knew that was the last
Speaker 4: and final day that.
Speaker 3: I could ever.
Speaker 4: Have justice if something really horrible happened to me and
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to be able to get them by
Speaker 4: that day.
Speaker 3: That was a hard night for me.
Speaker 4: She's not anywhere near her statue she could file at
Speaker 4: any point after this trial up until her statute of limitations,
Speaker 4: and she was just with him when he got indicted
Speaker 4: two twenty twenty four. She's got a while. So just
Speaker 4: because she doesn't have a lawsuit now doesn't mean she
Speaker 4: won't have a lawsuit. And Also, if I were a
Speaker 4: smart person and Ditty's paying for her lawyer, let me
Speaker 4: just stop at that. Diddy's paying for her lawyer, y'all.
Speaker 4: That's like y'all getting taken off that show on some BS,
Speaker 4: which is what happened to you guys, and them paying
Speaker 4: for y'all's lawyer. How much justice are you actually going
Speaker 4: to get? What you're going to do is you're gonna
Speaker 4: get a payoff at some point to have done to
Speaker 4: have not opened your mouth and lift up too much
Speaker 4: against the system. That's what happens when you have the
Speaker 4: system paying for your lawyer. I don't know if it's this.
Speaker 4: I'm taking back ownership of myself and I'm a woman.
Speaker 4: Hear me, roar, I'm not meeting with the defense anymore.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna come up here and tell my story. Then
Speaker 4: I'd take my OnlyFans dollars and get my own lawyer
Speaker 4: to help me do that.
Speaker 1: He says, she's a survivor. She did what she's doing,
Speaker 1: what she has to do to survive. Her testimony is not.
Speaker 4: Going to make Is that all you have to do
Speaker 4: to survive? Is my question, And I don't know how
Speaker 4: to ask that as a woman. Who's pro female. Have
Speaker 4: you ever felt TJ like your lowest day? You need
Speaker 4: to go out there like Anton and starts swinging the
Speaker 4: deed around.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's kind of what I'm currently doing.
Speaker 1: Uh Okay, we needed that, we needed that, We needed
Speaker 1: a little we really need a little laught because this
Speaker 1: stuff is heavy. But the debate and the question you're
Speaker 1: talking about is how should we handle, how should we view,
Speaker 1: how should we teach in a moment like this where
Speaker 1: there is a woman who's doing what she had to
Speaker 1: do to survive to I'm not gonna judge her, I guess.
Speaker 4: Is that how we're gonna say?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I get, I don't know, and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm told she's a victim, and I'm told she's an
Speaker 1: abuse victim of a certain type. That I will never
Speaker 1: begin to understand what that does to somebody. And I'll
Speaker 1: never understand, to your point, because I'm a man, and
Speaker 1: because I'm from a home and educated and middle class
Speaker 1: and all this, I will never understand what it feels
Speaker 1: like to be so desperate and think I have no
Speaker 1: other option in life, but to like you said, do
Speaker 1: something untoward or legal even amy.
Speaker 4: Have you seen women though that do it, that that
Speaker 4: isn't their only thing that they have left the Actually,
Speaker 4: when I look at this woman, Jane, I see a
Speaker 4: ton of potentials for her.
Speaker 3: She's gorgeous.
Speaker 4: She could start her own lines, hairlines, brow lines, makeup lines,
Speaker 4: clothing lines. She could use it a little bit of
Speaker 4: the only fans money to front a business. She has
Speaker 4: so many options in my eyes.
Speaker 1: But how many options does she have for a multimillion
Speaker 1: naire wrap mogul influencer guy, like, like, that's the option.
Speaker 5: That's what I was just going to say.
Speaker 2: This isn't about putting food on the table for her children,
Speaker 2: or putting food on the table for herself, or even
Speaker 2: as she said, keeping a roof over her head.
Speaker 5: That was not what this was about.
Speaker 2: Because, as you point out, she was blessed with a
Speaker 2: lot of amazing qualities that she could have used to
Speaker 2: make a decent living. But that was never going to
Speaker 2: give her private planes and fancy cars.
Speaker 3: And I don't even think she was getting private.
Speaker 2: Places, studied parties, and access to a whole world that
Speaker 2: she could never get on her own. And so she
Speaker 2: was I mean, you could argue she wasn't in a
Speaker 2: place where she was fighting for survival, She was fighting
Speaker 2: for uber success that she didn't think she could get
Speaker 2: on her own, and so she traded. Many people would
Speaker 2: say her self worth and thing she stood for to
Speaker 2: get that moment, that pie in the sky moment where
Speaker 2: she got to be one of the it girls, one
Speaker 2: of the you know, living a life that I don't
Speaker 2: think any of us really know.
Speaker 1: Aubury, you told us that world is intoxicating.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've lived it. Can I tell you one thing?
Speaker 3: All the people that I know that.
Speaker 4: Are living it are miserable. A f if I could
Speaker 4: tell any anything to any young person that is watching
Speaker 4: this and listening to us, that is not a place
Speaker 4: where all the happiness in the world resides.
Speaker 3: It just isn't.
Speaker 4: More money, more problems was a real song, and it
Speaker 4: hit home for everybody for a reason. More money, more problems.
Speaker 3: It just gets harder, harder, heavier.
Speaker 4: The decisions are steeper, the moral compass choices they get
Speaker 4: put in front of you are much The line becomes
Speaker 4: thinner and thinner, and you have to walk very carefully
Speaker 4: not to fall. I hate that people look up to
Speaker 4: it the way they do. That's not anything we're going
Speaker 4: to be able to change with this podcast. But obviously
Speaker 4: I think this trial, if nothing else, is a testimony
Speaker 4: to how miserable the person who's on trial truly is inside,
Speaker 4: and how miserable everyone that comes within his path ends.
Speaker 2: Up to your point, it's I mean, you've seen a
Speaker 2: little bit of this, just when you're in any sort
Speaker 2: of career and you reach the top and you start
Speaker 2: to see the people who are at the pinnacle. Most
Speaker 2: of them don't seem happy and they have everything in
Speaker 2: the world at their fingertips, and that was.
Speaker 5: Always a shocking thing.
Speaker 2: And this is on a much smaller scale than anything
Speaker 2: that you've experienced or seen in that entertainment world. But
Speaker 2: I do think it's you see Diddy, it's once you
Speaker 2: get to a certain level, you're trying to get to
Speaker 2: the next one and the next one. Once you reach
Speaker 2: a certain high, you need a bigger high, a better high,
Speaker 2: and each time it's not good enough.
Speaker 5: And to that point when we heard.
Speaker 2: When we heard Jane say that she was excited about
Speaker 2: going somewhere with him, just the two of them, and
Speaker 2: he was bored. So everything's on such a hyper scale,
Speaker 2: nothing's ever good enough, and therefore there's just incredible sadness
Speaker 2: because you can never you're looking for that high from
Speaker 2: outside sources.
Speaker 4: Right, and you can almost even bring that back to
Speaker 4: Cassie like she felt proud of herself when he was
Speaker 4: happy with her. And it sounds like the It sounds
Speaker 4: like Jane had that same line of thinking, like I
Speaker 4: couldn't make him happy, he was bored. So then I suggested,
Speaker 4: let's call this guy. He can come here in two days,
Speaker 4: Let's do an all star party. Let me give you this,
Speaker 4: let me give you that. There is a lot of
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, it's still coercion. Even I thought to
Speaker 4: myself when he gave her the pill and she was
Speaker 4: about to go do the freak off, and he looked
Speaker 4: in her face and said, is this coercion? I had
Speaker 4: to stop and think, like was that an out or
Speaker 4: was that more coercion? Like it's complicated because I guess
Speaker 4: if you're really if you're really groomed, then you just
Speaker 4: put your head down and you do your job. But
Speaker 4: if you have anything where you've gained some self esteem,
Speaker 4: I'd be like, I'm not gonna be coerced in this moment.
Speaker 3: Later, bro, can.
Speaker 1: You tell me I think you said it right off?
Speaker 1: The top. The difference. You said, a younger generation versus
Speaker 1: an older generation of women are viewing things differently.
Speaker 4: What you mean by that, and racially too, I'm noticing
Speaker 4: the difference. I mean, I think it's important that we
Speaker 4: just say what it is. So generationally women that are
Speaker 4: older that I speak to. Now, I'm old and some
Speaker 4: people don't think I'm old, and I think I'm a grandparent,
Speaker 4: so I'll say I'm forty one, so my age a
Speaker 4: little bit younger, like thirty five up kind of have
Speaker 4: this understanding of DV. A lot of us have an
Speaker 4: understanding of DV and the psychology behind it, which means
Speaker 4: a lot of us have probably ventured into it a bit.
Speaker 4: Have you been ventured into it at all? Amy?
Speaker 5: No? No, no, no, no, I mean I think you know everyone. No,
Speaker 5: not verbal violent verbal violence.
Speaker 4: Yes I have had that abuse, but yes, yeah, but
Speaker 4: it does it does.
Speaker 2: Knock you dumb when you say you know what I
Speaker 2: have ended up doing in moments where I didn't know
Speaker 2: how I felt.
Speaker 5: I actually made video diaries. I still have them.
Speaker 2: I try to go for you look back at them
Speaker 2: and just in real time, remember where I was and
Speaker 2: how I never want to be there again, But no,
Speaker 2: it's it is something that happens gradually sometimes and you
Speaker 2: don't even realize it's happening.
Speaker 4: So then I think, I think there's this generational that
Speaker 4: and that age range of us. And I think the
Speaker 4: men too, who are likely more so dads, more calmed down.
Speaker 4: The libido isn't driving them every which way. They've had
Speaker 4: to create a stable life around these ages. Potentially all
Speaker 4: of us kind of have this understanding that, like, we
Speaker 4: don't want to be in toxic relationships. We've done them,
Speaker 4: we know how they look, we know how they feel,
Speaker 4: and we're not interested. Guys they've hooked up with the hoes,
Speaker 4: there's no they understand that they want a wife instead,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And then this younger generation
Speaker 4: is not looking at it with the same eyes. Then
Speaker 4: the younger generation is so different. Even when I talk
Speaker 4: to my god daughter the because everything is so there's
Speaker 4: just no delayed gratification, absolutely none.
Speaker 3: It is the here and now.
Speaker 4: And if you can't give me within fifteen seconds in
Speaker 4: this TikTok video, TikTok is so difficult for me, y'all
Speaker 4: hear how much I run on You think I could
Speaker 4: ever do a TikTok fifteen seconds? So fuck am I
Speaker 4: going to do in fifteen seconds? I can't even get
Speaker 4: five words out in fifteen seconds. That's not enough time
Speaker 4: for me. That that platform is, that platform was made
Speaker 4: by the devil and for a person like me, So
Speaker 4: so I don't. The younger generation is like, we need,
Speaker 4: we need this. In soundbites, this girl was getting this,
Speaker 4: that and the other the and then culturally a lot
Speaker 4: of white women that I know in the courtroom or
Speaker 4: white men have come out and said, like, this is horrific.
Speaker 4: She she it was hor horrible. She was sobbing. It
Speaker 4: broke my heart. It established sex trafficking what she had.
Speaker 3: To go through.
Speaker 4: Then then there's academics sitting there, uh like geeked out
Speaker 4: at I think his literal phrase was, Man, what a
Speaker 4: bitch you'll do for a sectional? Yeah, he was just
Speaker 4: reading the court transcripts and he said, damn, what a
Speaker 4: bitch will do for a sectional? And he said that
Speaker 4: because she's because she offered him an all star three
Speaker 4: of her, three of Ditty's favorite escorts all on her
Speaker 4: as a big blowout all star party. And acc was like, damn,
Speaker 4: Like these bitches will just do anything for this, that
Speaker 4: and the and then the bitch word just flew out
Speaker 4: of his mouth. And a lot of guys that you
Speaker 4: know behind closed doors, a lot of the younger generation.
Speaker 4: I don't know how old act is, but like I
Speaker 4: suppose more in the hip hop culture for sure. Even
Speaker 4: according to Jane's testimony, she walked into a party and
Speaker 4: there was good old Anton Anton whatever her fazis from
Speaker 4: the Freak Offs, and Anton was doing a little number
Speaker 4: with somebody else for another rapper and his girl. And
Speaker 4: you know, we're not here to out the entire hip
Speaker 4: hop industry, but we could. I could definitely if I
Speaker 4: had the time. I've sat next to people that had
Speaker 4: just literally openly at a bar after a drink, told
Speaker 4: me about whole ass situations people. La is very vocal.
Speaker 4: It's shocking, it's shocking. The thing that shocked me the most,
Speaker 4: I remember going to a gay club right after we
Speaker 4: made the band that were out in like, uh Times Square.
Speaker 4: We did our last interview and all of the girls
Speaker 4: we all went to a gay club with some of
Speaker 4: our like somebody's best friends. We all went out. We're
Speaker 4: having a good time and this guy comes over and
Speaker 4: he's like you guys are so fucking cute. And he
Speaker 4: comes around and me, He's like, girl, you're the fucking
Speaker 4: shit and you'll learn soon enough. I fuck your boss
Speaker 4: allegedly because I don't know if he fucked my boss,
Speaker 4: but he said that to me. I remember within days
Speaker 4: of me making the band, some guy at a gay
Speaker 4: bar told me, I fuck your boss. And I didn't realize.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize until I went to a gay bar
Speaker 4: that was like with some of my like long established
Speaker 4: friends in New York when I was living there. Uh think, yeah,
Speaker 4: when I was like officially living in New York. And
Speaker 4: they are more straight, they have more straight qualities as
Speaker 4: gay men, and you wouldn't they They wouldn't know, You
Speaker 4: wouldn't know if they were gay or not. In a room,
Speaker 4: there's nothing like, there's nothing like outwardly exposing their sexuality.
Speaker 4: We went into this club. Everybody was hood as hell,
Speaker 4: gangster hip hop music playing like street fashion to the tens.
Speaker 4: Like everybody looked fine, and I was like, there are
Speaker 4: so many guys in here, I could literally have my pick.
Speaker 3: This is bomb.
Speaker 4: And the guy with me was like, oh baby, we're
Speaker 4: we're in a gay club. And I was like, I've
Speaker 4: never a gay club. To me, it's like rainbows and
Speaker 4: fucking glitter and pride, and no, it was just us.
Speaker 4: It looked like a hood bar. Now listen, if it's
Speaker 4: all done willingly and everybody is agreeing to everything, then fine.
Speaker 4: But but like, if it's not and there's coercion, force
Speaker 4: or any of these other things involved, it doesn't just
Speaker 4: look any It looks all types of ways and all
Speaker 4: types of people are doing it.
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with this term online robes. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you are, but a cuck Okay, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's now they've been using it for short. This has
Speaker 1: come up and I'm bringing this up to you now
Speaker 1: because this happened just as testimony was going on as
Speaker 1: we're doing this recording, and Jane, yes, Jane is testifying
Speaker 1: about some of the things that did He is into,
Speaker 1: and she said she described him as a cuck, which
Speaker 1: is a guy who has pleasure seeing his woman get
Speaker 1: pleasure from the other man. She went on to say
Speaker 1: this though Aubrey cucks could also have a by curiosity
Speaker 1: that they are too ashamed to experience themselves, so they
Speaker 1: use the woman to venture out in this curiosity. Without
Speaker 1: actually doing the act themselves.
Speaker 4: And there is where all of the magic is really in. Now,
Speaker 4: we can't assume what's in anyone's mind, nor would we
Speaker 4: be wise too, But in that last little bit that
Speaker 4: you just said is where I've always felt the magic
Speaker 4: is in regards to.
Speaker 3: Hurt people. Hurt people.
Speaker 4: When you become famous for a certain thing, you gotta
Speaker 4: be that thing. And if that thing is a hip
Speaker 4: hop artist in the nineties, you can't be gay period.
Speaker 4: There's no We're not having a think piece. There's no
Speaker 4: think piece on that. I mean, when I came home
Speaker 4: from Bali and TikTok arrived and there were two white
Speaker 4: men talking about wearing dreads and talking about what are
Speaker 4: the island boys? I was like, what in the cultural
Speaker 4: appropriation is going on? And then they went on OnlyFans and
Speaker 4: hooked up with each other and their brothers, and I
Speaker 4: was like, this would never have happened back in my
Speaker 4: day of music. Nineties, for sure, that would never have occurred.
Speaker 4: But when you grow up in a time and a place,
Speaker 4: in an era where you're entire like, we're talking about
Speaker 4: what will these women do?
Speaker 3: What will men do? What would did he do? You
Speaker 3: know to stay on top.
Speaker 4: Somebody's doing something that could cross you, that could fuck
Speaker 4: up your business. People were getting murdered back then, and
Speaker 4: then we get all the way to these these You know,
Speaker 4: maybe if you feel a certain way, like you said,
Speaker 4: sometimes with cuck holding and that's in that setting, it
Speaker 4: can be someone who desires. It seems like in all
Speaker 4: of the sexual situations that we continuously hear, there is
Speaker 4: a lot of discussion about the men looking a certain way,
Speaker 4: the dicks looking a certain way, and the dicks being
Speaker 4: a certain color. It's very specific about how he wants
Speaker 4: the dicks to be, a lot of conversations about the dicks,
Speaker 4: a lot of non excitement until a dick comes out.
Speaker 4: So to me, I think to myself, if you had
Speaker 4: to suppress who you really were because fame was calling shit,
Speaker 4: I had to. I got fired for being raunchy and promiscuous.
Speaker 4: I have no ability to have a career in any
Speaker 4: other lane. Everybody's playing me, humiliating me when I try
Speaker 4: to go in and music and real deals things I
Speaker 4: should be doing. I'm an intellect I went to college,
Speaker 4: I have a degree. And then Hugh Hefner comes and says,
Speaker 4: cover a playboy, you don't even have to show anything
Speaker 4: but your tits. Let's go, and here's over half a
Speaker 4: million dollars. I had never even been paid. It was
Speaker 4: a no brainer for me. But then, because I chose
Speaker 4: to jump into the lane that was handed to me,
Speaker 4: I've had to do a delicate dance in that lane
Speaker 4: my entire career. That's difficult because I mean, like I said,
Speaker 4: I haven't had sex in years. I'm not.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: I would never have sex with somebody for money. I
Speaker 4: would never take have sex for a job. I lost
Speaker 4: my job. I was willing to lose my job, you
Speaker 4: feel me. So I'm actually like nowhere near that lane
Speaker 4: in that respect. But I've had to dance within that lane.
Speaker 4: And then when you have to dance in that lane
Speaker 4: and it doesn't feel authentic to you.
Speaker 3: Drugs are a really great escape.
Speaker 4: They really are the ones that the doctors give you
Speaker 4: or the ones that the street people give you. Usually
Speaker 4: it starts with doctors and then you run out, and
Speaker 4: then you get a little street dealer that's got some
Speaker 4: new jams, like a black bottle of some liquid spray.
Speaker 4: It becomes inventive depending on who you're around and the
Speaker 4: access that you have the money that you have. But
Speaker 4: either way, I could kind of see this pattern of
Speaker 4: maybe how did he lost the plot and how he
Speaker 4: could have lost the plot, and how he could have
Speaker 4: had to suppress maybe something that he was and maybe
Speaker 4: the suppression got so intense that there was a lot
Speaker 4: of amount of drugs around that kept it numb. There
Speaker 4: were things that I experienced that I can't talk about
Speaker 4: here that speak to this, and I think that there's
Speaker 4: potentially like that's what I was trying to say to
Speaker 4: you guys when I said, I think the only option
Speaker 4: when he comes back around on this is to go
Speaker 4: into what has hurt him, because if he came up
Speaker 4: as a hip hop guy and he's the guy running
Speaker 4: the bad boy, I mean, you know what you think
Speaker 4: of when you hear bad boy records. I felt like
Speaker 4: honored to be a white girl that could go home
Speaker 4: to my hometown and be like, I'm signed a bad
Speaker 4: boy baby, Like that's still a status play everywhere I go,
Speaker 4: it's bad boy. Well, imagine how much of a bad
Speaker 4: boy did he had to be? And I'm not saying
Speaker 4: let's have sympathy for the man, but if he had
Speaker 4: to suppress something that was very deep, and then he
Speaker 4: got a dependent on drugs, which helps numb your real
Speaker 4: feelings and maybe allows you to stay in your character.
Speaker 4: It kind of means maybe he's had to be this
Speaker 4: character his whole life. I don't know if he's ever
Speaker 4: stepped out of the I don't even like thinking though
Speaker 4: that way, because there's so many variations of everything anymore
Speaker 4: that I don't even know that anything's as simple as
Speaker 4: gay or straight. Those are the terms we used back
Speaker 4: in my day, but nowadays there's eight hundred options. To me,
Speaker 4: what I do know is that he did love Dix.
Speaker 4: He did love the way they looked, he loved their shape,
Speaker 4: he loved seeing them in action. That's been alleged in
Speaker 4: everybody's testimony. And that's what I know to be true.
Speaker 4: Is in my generation, younger kids might think differently. I know,
Speaker 4: younger kids that are just more free with it and
Speaker 4: don't put labels on things. Our generation labeled things more,
Speaker 4: and there were like categories and they were simple. There
Speaker 4: wasn't like seven hundred of them. It's why people have
Speaker 4: gotten frustrated with I mean, it's a whole different topic,
Speaker 4: but it's why people get frustrated with liberals. Nowadays, they
Speaker 4: just opened the door for too many things, and the
Speaker 4: people older people are a little bit tighter in the crotch.
Speaker 4: We don't want to have to learn all the letters
Speaker 4: and the names and the fucking titles and all the
Speaker 4: When I had I did a sex pod with a
Speaker 4: sex therapist, I really had to look things up. I am.
Speaker 4: I am not as like I thought I was really
Speaker 4: killing it when I was sexually active. I was really
Speaker 4: not killing it that much. Like there are so many terms.
Speaker 4: I mean, I didn't know velvet was something until I
Speaker 4: learned that that velvet has more meetings than just fabric.
Speaker 4: I did not know. You know, there's a lot going on.
Speaker 1: Not the sex podcast.
Speaker 4: You guys are over there doing missionary. Then you got
Speaker 4: something going on. Good God, let me.
Speaker 1: Tell you I was boring. They don't ever get a
Speaker 1: good show out this window behind us.
Speaker 4: Ever. I was gonna say, you guys have the opportunity
Speaker 4: to do a whole lot. You guys would make a
Speaker 4: killing on only.
Speaker 1: The stop stop stop. But no, this is all I
Speaker 1: don't know. You were, you were on fire, you were
Speaker 1: worked up, and I think a lot of people like
Speaker 1: you and Robot are out there or are struggling.
Speaker 3: It's just hard.
Speaker 4: Amy. Did you come to an answer when I wrote that?
Speaker 4: What was your thought when I sent that to you?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm with you in the sense that I
Speaker 2: think both can be true. I think that she can
Speaker 2: be a victim and at the same time yes, and
Speaker 2: at the same time be complicit and at the same
Speaker 2: time wanted. I don't know how important it would be
Speaker 2: for a Jorge to know what your motives are. Yes,
Speaker 2: it sounded like money was a motive, but I actually
Speaker 2: think from what I saw or read and she loved,
Speaker 2: it was for love. And as a woman, I can
Speaker 2: totally understand that to a point, but it's conflict. I
Speaker 2: was conflicted as well.
Speaker 4: I saw the love thing when she said. When she
Speaker 4: ended that I'm going to kill myself, she said, no
Speaker 4: one's ever gonna love me. No one's ever loved me.
Speaker 4: That's not something you say that in a transaction. The
Speaker 4: price payment points that she listed out, those were transactional,
Speaker 4: but the last line isn't transactional, And that told me
Speaker 4: she's both. She knows she's transactional. I didn't get transactional
Speaker 4: from Cassie. Maybe as she got like years down the line,
Speaker 4: but this one is too new, and this one is
Speaker 4: very much in an era. You know, COVID changed a
Speaker 4: lot of things. And when TikTok and podcasts are deciding
Speaker 4: the music industry, now followers are deciding your paychecks, comments
Speaker 4: and views are deciding your status in the celebrity world.
Speaker 4: It's asked backwards. Talent is nowhere in the sentence, nowhere
Speaker 4: in any sentences. I haven't heard anything about talent. We
Speaker 4: can't even watch music awards shows anymore.
Speaker 3: They're a joke.
Speaker 4: AMA's flopped, BT's this past weekend horrible, like it's not
Speaker 4: I don't know what's even going on in music anymore,
Speaker 4: and everybody feels it. But this younger generation and these
Speaker 4: new ideas are kind of taking over. And that's why
Speaker 4: I think to myself, this is going to be so split.
Speaker 4: I don't know how a jury. I don't know how
Speaker 4: you could get someone like us to understand all the
Speaker 4: broad open thinking that's happening in a younger generation. I
Speaker 4: don't know how you get a white person to fully
Speaker 4: understand a black man's experience, or a black person to
Speaker 4: understand a white man's experience.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: There's got to be so many levels of emotions that
Speaker 4: they're gonna have to be able to pull on and
Speaker 4: reason and all of these things that I just don't
Speaker 4: I don't know that we're going to get a jury
Speaker 4: that can all fully do that. And it already sounds
Speaker 4: like there's a lot of facial communications going on that
Speaker 4: are toxic for this type of environment. I think, at
Speaker 4: the very least, I think they think they're going to
Speaker 4: be hung on unless they have KK and a bodyguard,
Speaker 4: they're going to be hung on. Rico. Sex trafficking might
Speaker 4: be there and transporting people I've said early on is there.
Speaker 4: Those each have a ten year on them, so that's
Speaker 4: twenty then sex trafficking, I believe is a fifth is
Speaker 4: a twenty year sentence per So there's two sex tracking sets.
Speaker 3: Forty forty twenty. He's how old is he?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 4: You guys know?
Speaker 5: It's like mid fifties, mid fifties.
Speaker 4: So you add you add sixty to that. I think
Speaker 4: I heard if the sentence gets too big, they just
Speaker 4: call it life. Someone told me that you couldn't talk down,
Speaker 4: you couldn't lower federal charges in your sentence.
Speaker 3: I don't know that that's true.
Speaker 4: I think you can get good behavior and things like
Speaker 4: that that will lower your sentence.
Speaker 3: But you know, the idea that.
Speaker 4: The confusion, the confusing parts of this could confuse enough
Speaker 4: or even one person enough to not understand the criminal
Speaker 4: aspects of all of this is pretty scary for a
Speaker 4: whole lot of people.
Speaker 2: We've been saying it just takes one juror so. Aubrey,
Speaker 2: thank you for going through so much of what I
Speaker 2: think a lot of folks are feeling, especially women watching
Speaker 2: and reading and hearing about this testimony. It is conflicting,
Speaker 2: but it was really cool to get your perspective, especially
Speaker 2: with everything you know in the industry and certainly in
Speaker 2: that world. And we're going to continue to talk to Aubrey,
Speaker 2: continue to cover this trial and talk about the impact
Speaker 2: not only just on the people who are in that courtroom,
Speaker 2: but I, as you were pointing out, Aubrey, hopefully the
Speaker 2: whole music industry and perhaps other industries, other entertainment industries, and.
Speaker 4: Women too, to women's worth, understanding themselves sexually, their value,
Speaker 4: men getting to see how damaging it could be if
Speaker 4: you're stringing a woman on for sexual reasons. There are
Speaker 4: so many topics that are right up in front of us,
Speaker 4: like you could learn a whole lot about the people
Speaker 4: around you. If you just asked to have one little
Speaker 4: discussion over dinner about Diddy, you could learn who your
Speaker 4: friends are quickly, and you could learn who the cuck
Speaker 4: hoolds are real quickly if you bring up the terms
Speaker 4: velvet the other ones they learned. I mean, there's a
Speaker 4: whole dictionary.
Speaker 5: I think we could save that for the after dinner drink.
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