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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ Presents Aubrey Oday covering the Ditty Trial.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everyone to Amy Robot and TJ. Holmes Present Aubrey

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Speaker 2: Oday covering the Diddy Trial. My partner TJ Holmes with

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Speaker 2: me and we're looking at Aubrey O Day and there

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Speaker 2: is so much to talk about with Jane, Ditty's ex girlfriend,

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Speaker 2: the pseudonym Jane on the stand for the last couple

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Speaker 2: of days and now facing cross examination. But my goodness,

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Speaker 2: we heard a lot from Jane.

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Speaker 3: A ton.

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Speaker 4: So her testimony has been so difficult for me and

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Speaker 4: I've been you know, Amy, I texted you a bit

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Speaker 4: this weekend, back and forth like I'm having a hard

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Speaker 4: time with this. And this was the same feeling that

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Speaker 4: I got in the very beginning when all of this started.

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Speaker 4: Is there's this I kind of I think there's a

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Speaker 4: generational thing that's happening. The older women on stand the

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Speaker 4: psychology of what's going on in this trial much better

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Speaker 4: than the younger generations. There's racial elements that are occurring.

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Speaker 4: Certain communities understand different behaviors differently, and I have such

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Speaker 4: a diverse group of everything around me that I hear

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Speaker 4: conflicting ideas and understandings of what is going on so

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Speaker 4: much that I sit back with myself and then I

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Speaker 4: end up sending you a text in the middle of

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Speaker 4: the night like how do we approach this as women?

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Speaker 4: But we're pro women, but how do we say these

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Speaker 4: hard things? And kind of what it gets down to her,

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Speaker 4: I mean the things she's established for the prosecution, we

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Speaker 4: should get out of the way, violence, force, coercion. There

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Speaker 4: are lots of moving escorts across lines. She listed a

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Speaker 4: number of escorts, a number of different places that they went,

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Speaker 4: horrible stories like vomiting during the freak offs after the

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Speaker 4: second guy had been with her, and then Puffy coming

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Speaker 4: in and saying, oh, that's a good thing. That means

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Speaker 4: you'll be nice and prime to get number three. He's

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Speaker 4: waiting outside like things like that that are very disturbing.

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Speaker 4: All sit on your heart. And she kind of has

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Speaker 4: the same that same line of thinking, which is that

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Speaker 4: like defaulting to sex in order to get his attention.

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Speaker 4: If I don't this, he won't this period. Everybody said it,

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Speaker 4: that's the way to get this man to pay attention

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Speaker 4: to you and to want to stay with you. And

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Speaker 4: if you don't do what he wants, then he goes

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Speaker 4: somewherewhere else, and so they always end up doing that.

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Speaker 4: There's always the drop of the drugs. It's not that

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Speaker 4: I don't believe women, but it's her details are hard

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Speaker 4: for me to process, and I'm trying to stay open

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Speaker 4: and lead with compassion even as I work through my

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Speaker 4: own doubts, and my own doubts start around this area.

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Speaker 4: She's with him when Cassie's lawsuit drops. This is a

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Speaker 4: more recent quote girlfriend. Like I said, I don't think

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Speaker 4: girl girlfriend should be a title for any of these women.

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Speaker 3: You have to care about somebody with that title.

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Speaker 4: So this is a girl for him, but he's there

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Speaker 4: when Cassie's case drops. She recalls seeing it and feeling

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Speaker 4: like she's reading her own tell all book. Basically, she

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Speaker 4: recognizes the behavior, she recognizes the feelings.

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Speaker 3: She gets to see what the.

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Speaker 4: Words are in black and white, what they're called, what

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Speaker 4: the legal words are, sex trafficking. It's a rico organization.

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Speaker 4: There's rape, there's all. And so she's realizing I'm not

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Speaker 4: even special. This wasn't something he was just doing with me.

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Speaker 4: He was doing it with everybody. All these behaviors I do.

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Speaker 4: I thought that was our thing.

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Speaker 3: It's not.

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Speaker 4: She's recognizing and seeing all of this. Then all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden, he's blowing her up. For the first time,

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Speaker 4: we get to hear puff is going after somebody else,

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Speaker 4: because we know he never does that, does he. It's

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Speaker 4: always them trying to get his attention. But this time

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Speaker 4: he needs hers. He needs her to defend him. He

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Speaker 4: needs her to say say, hey, it's mutual. He needs

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Speaker 4: her to go out there and tell the world we

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Speaker 4: did this together. She also notices that she can hear

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Speaker 4: him writing on a like a blackboard. She remembers he

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Speaker 4: would always strategize his days out and plan things, so

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Speaker 4: she feels like he's kind of strategizing. She doesn't know

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Speaker 4: she's being taped, but he's taping the conversations, and he's

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Speaker 4: kind of basically egging her on to say this was complicit.

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Speaker 4: You wanted this, we both wanted this, and she's kind

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Speaker 4: of like, I don't know, I'm overwhelmed. I don't you know.

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Speaker 4: She's just overwhelmed at this point, right, So they're bickering

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Speaker 4: there's this conversation of okay, then let's be clear let's

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Speaker 3: What's your price? What is it that you want?

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Speaker 4: And she says she wants one fifty per year, four

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Speaker 4: point fifty for the three that she's served, and then

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Speaker 4: two years of her house being handled, she was able

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Speaker 2: So that's difficult when you know that and you're hearing

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Speaker 2: it in her own words. You're hearing taped recordings, as

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Speaker 2: you pointed out, text messages between the two where she

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Speaker 2: seems to clearly not only be willing to do all

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Speaker 2: of these things, but some court reporters described her voice

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Speaker 2: as giddy in those recordings.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yes, And at that point, I'm starting to realize

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Speaker 4: I might not only be looking at a victim. I

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Speaker 4: might be looking at someone who's learned to survive by

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Speaker 4: manipulating others as well.

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Speaker 3: And you can be both. You can be both.

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Speaker 4: And that's the part that's hard to say as a

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Speaker 4: woman that I was trying to say to you this weekend.

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Speaker 3: I think you can be both.

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Speaker 4: If they're if a victim, if there's always psychological reasons

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Speaker 4: as to why somebody continues to be a victim, and

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Speaker 4: you can't ever really get down to the bottom of it,

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Speaker 4: I think for me, where I would have to start

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Speaker 4: as a woman holding another woman accountable is when they

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Speaker 4: have been given enough information to recognize it. Because when

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Speaker 4: you recognize something, you can decide potentially what happens next,

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Speaker 4: and that's when you can kind of get a little

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Speaker 4: bit back on your power.

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Speaker 3: You can start getting a bit of your power back.

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Speaker 3: And there has to.

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Speaker 4: Be some point that we do acknowledge what our behavior is,

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Speaker 4: and there has to be some point where we hold

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Speaker 3: We don't get to.

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Speaker 4: Be because we are women, or because there's power and balances,

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Speaker 4: or because somebody has literally got the money of all

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Speaker 4: men and as a king and a god and whatever

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Speaker 4: else he wants to call himself at the end of

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Speaker 4: the day, that there still has to be a point

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Speaker 4: where everybody in this lifetime has to hold themself accountable

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Speaker 4: and acknowledge their behavior. And it doesn't mean that they're

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Speaker 4: not a victim at all to either. It's not stripping

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Speaker 1: But it sounds like you're hearing something in her testimony

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Speaker 1: your mind, So that means maybe in juror's minds, there's

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Speaker 4: Definitely in juror's minds.

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Speaker 1: That she should have taken. Then where I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: the largest conversation in society we can have, but it's

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Speaker 1: also an important one in that courtroom. But where are

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Speaker 1: we Where do you find accountability in her testimony to

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Speaker 1: where she had opportunities that you think the jury might

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Speaker 4: Okay, and then keep remember that very in because you

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Speaker 4: know how I wander and I want to talk about

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Speaker 4: the jury at the end of this for a second,

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Speaker 4: because we're getting a lot more information about the jury now,

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Speaker 4: and it's we'll save it for a podcast, but let's

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Speaker 4: dive into it a tiny bit. You ask me where

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Speaker 4: I see the opportunities if I'm in the jury. After

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Speaker 4: she says what her price is, he says, fuck you.

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Speaker 4: They go back and forth. He threatens to show her

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Speaker 3: That's key. Grab a hold of that piece.

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Speaker 4: And then they in the call with her saying she

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Speaker 4: wants to kill herself, nobody will ever love her. Then

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Speaker 4: he says, call KK. She handles everything good old co

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Speaker 4: conspirator having asked KK allegedly, so KK responds with hey babe, period,

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Speaker 4: and then it goes on to tell her, you guys

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Speaker 4: We always find ourselves back here. You just need to

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Speaker 4: take a break. So she finds herself at a point

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Speaker 4: She gets invited to be sent out to Vegas. She

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Speaker 4: There's money, there's opportunity, there's.

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Speaker 3: Things happening there.

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Speaker 4: She gets brought back to a room where there's a

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Speaker 4: famous rapper, famous people, famous girlfriends. They were holding back

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Speaker 4: with Anton. He's one of my regulars over with Puff.

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Speaker 4: I just think that part's important because this is happening

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Speaker 4: Then she goes through that whole phase, and then Diddy

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Speaker 4: hits her up one day, missing that smile. There's opportunities

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Speaker 4: through all of this now, right because she's still he's

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Speaker 4: She starts fighting back. They have conversations, and she ends

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Speaker 4: She understands the piece that she didn't ever experience was

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Speaker 4: in them, March hits, Homeland Security comes knocking. Did he

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Speaker 4: pays for her to have attorneys? All of these are

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Speaker 4: the open areas you're asking me about, TJ. She had

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Speaker 3: You're safe girl.

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Speaker 4: When I sat with Homeland Security, I was like, am

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Speaker 4: wondering where the fuck you're at. You know, you can

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Speaker 4: ask them these types of questions. These are all moments opportunities. Okay.

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Speaker 4: So then even after Homeland Security comes, he pays for

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Speaker 4: her attorney and comes back Good Ol'lanton. It runs around

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Speaker 4: of them are doing it. Good o'lanton comes back and

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Speaker 4: extorts her with one of the videos that was taken

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Speaker 4: on his phone. A media company ends up buying that

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Speaker 4: video and it never gets seen again. I'd like to

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Speaker 3: Hmmm, let's put.

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Speaker 4: The internet to work. Then June comes and that's when

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Speaker 4: the knockdown fight happens. That's when the abuse comes her way.

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Speaker 4: We heard a lot of horrific abuse, so much abuse

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Speaker 4: that it goes through the night to the next morning.

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Speaker 4: When someone's arriving for a freakoff, she has to go

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Speaker 4: get herself. Cute comes out, he gives her the pill

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Speaker 4: and he looks her dead in her eyes and says,

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Speaker 4: now this is now You're being coerced.

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Speaker 3: Is this coersion to you?

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Speaker 4: And then she goes into the freak off and starts

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's coming. So my next part these little moments

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Speaker 4: She's never performed better than when she got that spray

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Speaker 4: Paul can be there. In a couple of days. Paul comes.

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Speaker 4: plotting how do we respond to this? She's even shown

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Speaker 3: Does this look good to you?

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Speaker 4: she then says even after that point, she's her house

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Speaker 2: I'm curious though, with all of that, Aubrey, and she's

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Speaker 5: So we're seeing all of that.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's see how much more.

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Speaker 4: She didn't say today when she gets cross examined, because

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Speaker 3: Did he was manipulating, she was manipulating. Is there a.

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Speaker 4: Power imbalance and is there all kinds of things psychologically

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Speaker 4: that are out of her favor? Absolutely, But she, by

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Speaker 5: I mean, she says she still loves him, and I.

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Speaker 3: Mean she could.

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Speaker 4: It felt like she'll give him a call if he

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, yeah, I mean I think we

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Speaker 2: speak to these unthinkable atrocities that would be a horror

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Speaker 5: But peace for him.

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Speaker 2: That that's a I was struggling with how you could

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Speaker 3: It's given performance, you think.

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Speaker 5: It's performance, and on which one is the performance?

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Speaker 4: It's giving an awareness of manipulation A tiny bit.

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Speaker 3: Diddy was finicky.

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Speaker 4: They said he was the most finicky they've ever seen

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Speaker 4: he's stressed at her her taking the first stab at

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Speaker 4: the story. I don't know whether there's other people involved,

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Speaker 4: I looked at it and I'm like, I don't see

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people are saying they were suggesting prosecution

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Speaker 4: let's bring it up so when the defense does, it's

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Speaker 4: doesn't hit that hard that you know, eminem type, I'll

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Speaker 4: for me, it doesn't look that bad. They did say

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Speaker 4: there was a lot of saving things. Were you doing

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Speaker 3: But you have a black eye.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't take selfies with myself or

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Speaker 3: He was still on the drugs. He still had a

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Speaker 4: Every woman in this entire world, and every man that's

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Speaker 3: It's giving me something different.

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Speaker 4: Is it establishing some things for the prosecution, like deeper

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Speaker 3: And I'm hearing that a lot.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of connection with Diddy and the jurors,

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: He also was paying for her home. But I see

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Speaker 3: It look easy, it's so hard.

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Speaker 4: But then I see what they're having to do on

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Speaker 4: So then what I wrote ended up writing you I

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Speaker 4: because she's on the stand, and it's not fine with her.

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Speaker 4: And one more thing I wanted to point out, they're

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Speaker 4: My statute of limitation and for my era of anyone

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Speaker 4: I wasn't going to be able to get them by

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Speaker 4: that day.

440
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Speaker 3: That was a hard night for me.

441
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Speaker 4: She's not anywhere near her statue she could file at

442
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 4: any point after this trial up until her statute of limitations,

443
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 4: and she was just with him when he got indicted

444
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 4: two twenty twenty four. She's got a while. So just

445
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 4: because she doesn't have a lawsuit now doesn't mean she

446
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 4: won't have a lawsuit. And Also, if I were a

447
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 4: smart person and Ditty's paying for her lawyer, let me

448
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 4: just stop at that. Diddy's paying for her lawyer, y'all.

449
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 4: That's like y'all getting taken off that show on some BS,

450
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 4: which is what happened to you guys, and them paying

451
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 4: for y'all's lawyer. How much justice are you actually going

452
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 4: to get? What you're going to do is you're gonna

453
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 4: get a payoff at some point to have done to

454
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 4: have not opened your mouth and lift up too much

455
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 4: against the system. That's what happens when you have the

456
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 4: system paying for your lawyer. I don't know if it's this.

457
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 4: I'm taking back ownership of myself and I'm a woman.

458
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 4: Hear me, roar, I'm not meeting with the defense anymore.

459
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 4: I'm gonna come up here and tell my story. Then

460
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 4: I'd take my OnlyFans dollars and get my own lawyer

461
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 4: to help me do that.

462
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 1: He says, she's a survivor. She did what she's doing,

463
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: what she has to do to survive. Her testimony is not.

464
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Speaker 4: Going to make Is that all you have to do

465
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Speaker 4: to survive? Is my question, And I don't know how

466
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 4: to ask that as a woman. Who's pro female. Have

467
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 4: you ever felt TJ like your lowest day? You need

468
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 4: to go out there like Anton and starts swinging the

469
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 4: deed around.

470
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's kind of what I'm currently doing.

471
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Speaker 1: Uh Okay, we needed that, we needed that, We needed

472
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: a little we really need a little laught because this

473
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: stuff is heavy. But the debate and the question you're

474
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: talking about is how should we handle, how should we view,

475
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: how should we teach in a moment like this where

476
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: there is a woman who's doing what she had to

477
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: do to survive to I'm not gonna judge her, I guess.

478
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 4: Is that how we're gonna say?

479
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I get, I don't know, and I'm

480
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: I'm told she's a victim, and I'm told she's an

481
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: abuse victim of a certain type. That I will never

482
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: begin to understand what that does to somebody. And I'll

483
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: never understand, to your point, because I'm a man, and

484
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 1: because I'm from a home and educated and middle class

485
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: and all this, I will never understand what it feels

486
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: like to be so desperate and think I have no

487
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: other option in life, but to like you said, do

488
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: something untoward or legal even amy.

489
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 4: Have you seen women though that do it, that that

490
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 4: isn't their only thing that they have left the Actually,

491
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 4: when I look at this woman, Jane, I see a

492
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 4: ton of potentials for her.

493
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 3: She's gorgeous.

494
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 4: She could start her own lines, hairlines, brow lines, makeup lines,

495
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 4: clothing lines. She could use it a little bit of

496
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 4: the only fans money to front a business. She has

497
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 4: so many options in my eyes.

498
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: But how many options does she have for a multimillion

499
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: naire wrap mogul influencer guy, like, like, that's the option.

500
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 5: That's what I was just going to say.

501
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: This isn't about putting food on the table for her children,

502
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: or putting food on the table for herself, or even

503
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 2: as she said, keeping a roof over her head.

504
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 5: That was not what this was about.

505
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: Because, as you point out, she was blessed with a

506
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 2: lot of amazing qualities that she could have used to

507
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: make a decent living. But that was never going to

508
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: give her private planes and fancy cars.

509
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 3: And I don't even think she was getting private.

510
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: Places, studied parties, and access to a whole world that

511
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 2: she could never get on her own. And so she

512
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: was I mean, you could argue she wasn't in a

513
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: place where she was fighting for survival, She was fighting

514
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 2: for uber success that she didn't think she could get

515
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: on her own, and so she traded. Many people would

516
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: say her self worth and thing she stood for to

517
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: get that moment, that pie in the sky moment where

518
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: she got to be one of the it girls, one

519
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: of the you know, living a life that I don't

520
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: think any of us really know.

521
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: Aubury, you told us that world is intoxicating.

522
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 4: I mean, I've lived it. Can I tell you one thing?

523
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: All the people that I know that.

524
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 4: Are living it are miserable. A f if I could

525
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 4: tell any anything to any young person that is watching

526
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: this and listening to us, that is not a place

527
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 4: where all the happiness in the world resides.

528
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: It just isn't.

529
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 4: More money, more problems was a real song, and it

530
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 4: hit home for everybody for a reason. More money, more problems.

531
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 3: It just gets harder, harder, heavier.

532
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 4: The decisions are steeper, the moral compass choices they get

533
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 4: put in front of you are much The line becomes

534
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 4: thinner and thinner, and you have to walk very carefully

535
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 4: not to fall. I hate that people look up to

536
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 4: it the way they do. That's not anything we're going

537
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 4: to be able to change with this podcast. But obviously

538
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 4: I think this trial, if nothing else, is a testimony

539
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: to how miserable the person who's on trial truly is inside,

540
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 4: and how miserable everyone that comes within his path ends.

541
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Speaker 2: Up to your point, it's I mean, you've seen a

542
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: little bit of this, just when you're in any sort

543
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: of career and you reach the top and you start

544
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: to see the people who are at the pinnacle. Most

545
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: of them don't seem happy and they have everything in

546
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: the world at their fingertips, and that was.

547
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 5: Always a shocking thing.

548
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: And this is on a much smaller scale than anything

549
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: that you've experienced or seen in that entertainment world. But

550
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 2: I do think it's you see Diddy, it's once you

551
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: get to a certain level, you're trying to get to

552
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: the next one and the next one. Once you reach

553
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: a certain high, you need a bigger high, a better high,

554
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: and each time it's not good enough.

555
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 5: And to that point when we heard.

556
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: When we heard Jane say that she was excited about

557
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: going somewhere with him, just the two of them, and

558
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: he was bored. So everything's on such a hyper scale,

559
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 2: nothing's ever good enough, and therefore there's just incredible sadness

560
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: because you can never you're looking for that high from

561
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 2: outside sources.

562
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: Right, and you can almost even bring that back to

563
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 4: Cassie like she felt proud of herself when he was

564
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 4: happy with her. And it sounds like the It sounds

565
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 4: like Jane had that same line of thinking, like I

566
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 4: couldn't make him happy, he was bored. So then I suggested,

567
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 4: let's call this guy. He can come here in two days,

568
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 4: Let's do an all star party. Let me give you this,

569
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 4: let me give you that. There is a lot of

570
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, it's still coercion. Even I thought to

571
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: myself when he gave her the pill and she was

572
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 4: about to go do the freak off, and he looked

573
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 4: in her face and said, is this coercion? I had

574
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 4: to stop and think, like was that an out or

575
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 4: was that more coercion? Like it's complicated because I guess

576
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 4: if you're really if you're really groomed, then you just

577
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 4: put your head down and you do your job. But

578
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 4: if you have anything where you've gained some self esteem,

579
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: I'd be like, I'm not gonna be coerced in this moment.

580
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: Later, bro, can.

581
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Speaker 1: You tell me I think you said it right off?

582
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: The top. The difference. You said, a younger generation versus

583
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Speaker 1: an older generation of women are viewing things differently.

584
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 4: What you mean by that, and racially too, I'm noticing

585
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 4: the difference. I mean, I think it's important that we

586
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 4: just say what it is. So generationally women that are

587
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 4: older that I speak to. Now, I'm old and some

588
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 4: people don't think I'm old, and I think I'm a grandparent,

589
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 4: so I'll say I'm forty one, so my age a

590
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 4: little bit younger, like thirty five up kind of have

591
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 4: this understanding of DV. A lot of us have an

592
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 4: understanding of DV and the psychology behind it, which means

593
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 4: a lot of us have probably ventured into it a bit.

594
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 4: Have you been ventured into it at all? Amy?

595
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 5: No? No, no, no, no, I mean I think you know everyone. No,

596
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 5: not verbal violent verbal violence.

597
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 4: Yes I have had that abuse, but yes, yeah, but

598
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 4: it does it does.

599
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: Knock you dumb when you say you know what I

600
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: have ended up doing in moments where I didn't know

601
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: how I felt.

602
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 5: I actually made video diaries. I still have them.

603
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: I try to go for you look back at them

604
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: and just in real time, remember where I was and

605
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: how I never want to be there again, But no,

606
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: it's it is something that happens gradually sometimes and you

607
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: don't even realize it's happening.

608
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 4: So then I think, I think there's this generational that

609
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 4: and that age range of us. And I think the

610
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 4: men too, who are likely more so dads, more calmed down.

611
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 4: The libido isn't driving them every which way. They've had

612
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 4: to create a stable life around these ages. Potentially all

613
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 4: of us kind of have this understanding that, like, we

614
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 4: don't want to be in toxic relationships. We've done them,

615
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 4: we know how they look, we know how they feel,

616
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 4: and we're not interested. Guys they've hooked up with the hoes,

617
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: there's no they understand that they want a wife instead,

618
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And then this younger generation

619
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 4: is not looking at it with the same eyes. Then

620
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 4: the younger generation is so different. Even when I talk

621
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 4: to my god daughter the because everything is so there's

622
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 4: just no delayed gratification, absolutely none.

623
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: It is the here and now.

624
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 4: And if you can't give me within fifteen seconds in

625
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: this TikTok video, TikTok is so difficult for me, y'all

626
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 4: hear how much I run on You think I could

627
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 4: ever do a TikTok fifteen seconds? So fuck am I

628
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 4: going to do in fifteen seconds? I can't even get

629
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 4: five words out in fifteen seconds. That's not enough time

630
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 4: for me. That that platform is, that platform was made

631
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 4: by the devil and for a person like me, So

632
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 4: so I don't. The younger generation is like, we need,

633
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 4: we need this. In soundbites, this girl was getting this,

634
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 4: that and the other the and then culturally a lot

635
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 4: of white women that I know in the courtroom or

636
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 4: white men have come out and said, like, this is horrific.

637
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 4: She she it was hor horrible. She was sobbing. It

638
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 4: broke my heart. It established sex trafficking what she had.

639
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: To go through.

640
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 4: Then then there's academics sitting there, uh like geeked out

641
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 4: at I think his literal phrase was, Man, what a

642
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 4: bitch you'll do for a sectional? Yeah, he was just

643
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 4: reading the court transcripts and he said, damn, what a

644
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 4: bitch will do for a sectional? And he said that

645
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 4: because she's because she offered him an all star three

646
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 4: of her, three of Ditty's favorite escorts all on her

647
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 4: as a big blowout all star party. And acc was like, damn,

648
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 4: Like these bitches will just do anything for this, that

649
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 4: and the and then the bitch word just flew out

650
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 4: of his mouth. And a lot of guys that you

651
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 4: know behind closed doors, a lot of the younger generation.

652
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 4: I don't know how old act is, but like I

653
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 4: suppose more in the hip hop culture for sure. Even

654
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 4: according to Jane's testimony, she walked into a party and

655
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 4: there was good old Anton Anton whatever her fazis from

656
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 4: the Freak Offs, and Anton was doing a little number

657
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 4: with somebody else for another rapper and his girl. And

658
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 4: you know, we're not here to out the entire hip

659
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 4: hop industry, but we could. I could definitely if I

660
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 4: had the time. I've sat next to people that had

661
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 4: just literally openly at a bar after a drink, told

662
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 4: me about whole ass situations people. La is very vocal.

663
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 4: It's shocking, it's shocking. The thing that shocked me the most,

664
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 4: I remember going to a gay club right after we

665
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 4: made the band that were out in like, uh Times Square.

666
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 4: We did our last interview and all of the girls

667
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 4: we all went to a gay club with some of

668
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 4: our like somebody's best friends. We all went out. We're

669
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 4: having a good time and this guy comes over and

670
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 4: he's like you guys are so fucking cute. And he

671
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 4: comes around and me, He's like, girl, you're the fucking

672
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 4: shit and you'll learn soon enough. I fuck your boss

673
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 4: allegedly because I don't know if he fucked my boss,

674
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: but he said that to me. I remember within days

675
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 4: of me making the band, some guy at a gay

676
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 4: bar told me, I fuck your boss. And I didn't realize.

677
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 4: I didn't realize until I went to a gay bar

678
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 4: that was like with some of my like long established

679
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 4: friends in New York when I was living there. Uh think, yeah,

680
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 4: when I was like officially living in New York. And

681
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 4: they are more straight, they have more straight qualities as

682
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 4: gay men, and you wouldn't they They wouldn't know, You

683
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 4: wouldn't know if they were gay or not. In a room,

684
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 4: there's nothing like, there's nothing like outwardly exposing their sexuality.

685
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 4: We went into this club. Everybody was hood as hell,

686
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 4: gangster hip hop music playing like street fashion to the tens.

687
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 4: Like everybody looked fine, and I was like, there are

688
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 4: so many guys in here, I could literally have my pick.

689
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 3: This is bomb.

690
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 4: And the guy with me was like, oh baby, we're

691
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 4: we're in a gay club. And I was like, I've

692
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 4: never a gay club. To me, it's like rainbows and

693
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 4: fucking glitter and pride, and no, it was just us.

694
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 4: It looked like a hood bar. Now listen, if it's

695
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 4: all done willingly and everybody is agreeing to everything, then fine.

696
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 4: But but like, if it's not and there's coercion, force

697
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 4: or any of these other things involved, it doesn't just

698
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 4: look any It looks all types of ways and all

699
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 4: types of people are doing it.

700
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with this term online robes. I don't

701
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: know if you are, but a cuck Okay, but yeah,

702
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: it's now they've been using it for short. This has

703
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: come up and I'm bringing this up to you now

704
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: because this happened just as testimony was going on as

705
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: we're doing this recording, and Jane, yes, Jane is testifying

706
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: about some of the things that did He is into,

707
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: and she said she described him as a cuck, which

708
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: is a guy who has pleasure seeing his woman get

709
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: pleasure from the other man. She went on to say

710
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: this though Aubrey cucks could also have a by curiosity

711
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: that they are too ashamed to experience themselves, so they

712
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: use the woman to venture out in this curiosity. Without

713
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: actually doing the act themselves.

714
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: And there is where all of the magic is really in. Now,

715
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 4: we can't assume what's in anyone's mind, nor would we

716
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 4: be wise too, But in that last little bit that

717
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 4: you just said is where I've always felt the magic

718
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 4: is in regards to.

719
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 3: Hurt people. Hurt people.

720
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 4: When you become famous for a certain thing, you gotta

721
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 4: be that thing. And if that thing is a hip

722
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 4: hop artist in the nineties, you can't be gay period.

723
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 4: There's no We're not having a think piece. There's no

724
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 4: think piece on that. I mean, when I came home

725
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 4: from Bali and TikTok arrived and there were two white

726
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 4: men talking about wearing dreads and talking about what are

727
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 4: the island boys? I was like, what in the cultural

728
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 4: appropriation is going on? And then they went on OnlyFans and

729
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 4: hooked up with each other and their brothers, and I

730
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 4: was like, this would never have happened back in my

731
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 4: day of music. Nineties, for sure, that would never have occurred.

732
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 4: But when you grow up in a time and a place,

733
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 4: in an era where you're entire like, we're talking about

734
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 4: what will these women do?

735
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 3: What will men do? What would did he do? You

736
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: know to stay on top.

737
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 4: Somebody's doing something that could cross you, that could fuck

738
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 4: up your business. People were getting murdered back then, and

739
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 4: then we get all the way to these these You know,

740
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 4: maybe if you feel a certain way, like you said,

741
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 4: sometimes with cuck holding and that's in that setting, it

742
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 4: can be someone who desires. It seems like in all

743
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 4: of the sexual situations that we continuously hear, there is

744
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 4: a lot of discussion about the men looking a certain way,

745
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 4: the dicks looking a certain way, and the dicks being

746
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 4: a certain color. It's very specific about how he wants

747
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 4: the dicks to be, a lot of conversations about the dicks,

748
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 4: a lot of non excitement until a dick comes out.

749
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 4: So to me, I think to myself, if you had

750
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 4: to suppress who you really were because fame was calling shit,

751
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 4: I had to. I got fired for being raunchy and promiscuous.

752
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 4: I have no ability to have a career in any

753
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 4: other lane. Everybody's playing me, humiliating me when I try

754
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 4: to go in and music and real deals things I

755
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 4: should be doing. I'm an intellect I went to college,

756
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 4: I have a degree. And then Hugh Hefner comes and says,

757
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 4: cover a playboy, you don't even have to show anything

758
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 4: but your tits. Let's go, and here's over half a

759
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 4: million dollars. I had never even been paid. It was

760
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 4: a no brainer for me. But then, because I chose

761
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 4: to jump into the lane that was handed to me,

762
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 4: I've had to do a delicate dance in that lane

763
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 4: my entire career. That's difficult because I mean, like I said,

764
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 4: I haven't had sex in years. I'm not.

765
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: I don't.

766
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 4: I would never have sex with somebody for money. I

767
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 4: would never take have sex for a job. I lost

768
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 4: my job. I was willing to lose my job, you

769
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:08,959
Speaker 4: feel me. So I'm actually like nowhere near that lane

770
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 4: in that respect. But I've had to dance within that lane.

771
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 4: And then when you have to dance in that lane

772
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 4: and it doesn't feel authentic to you.

773
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 3: Drugs are a really great escape.

774
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 4: They really are the ones that the doctors give you

775
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: or the ones that the street people give you. Usually

776
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 4: it starts with doctors and then you run out, and

777
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 4: then you get a little street dealer that's got some

778
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 4: new jams, like a black bottle of some liquid spray.

779
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 4: It becomes inventive depending on who you're around and the

780
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 4: access that you have the money that you have. But

781
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 4: either way, I could kind of see this pattern of

782
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 4: maybe how did he lost the plot and how he

783
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: could have lost the plot, and how he could have

784
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: had to suppress maybe something that he was and maybe

785
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 4: the suppression got so intense that there was a lot

786
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 4: of amount of drugs around that kept it numb. There

787
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 4: were things that I experienced that I can't talk about

788
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 4: here that speak to this, and I think that there's

789
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 4: potentially like that's what I was trying to say to

790
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 4: you guys when I said, I think the only option

791
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 4: when he comes back around on this is to go

792
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 4: into what has hurt him, because if he came up

793
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 4: as a hip hop guy and he's the guy running

794
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 4: the bad boy, I mean, you know what you think

795
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 4: of when you hear bad boy records. I felt like

796
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 4: honored to be a white girl that could go home

797
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 4: to my hometown and be like, I'm signed a bad

798
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 4: boy baby, Like that's still a status play everywhere I go,

799
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 4: it's bad boy. Well, imagine how much of a bad

800
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 4: boy did he had to be? And I'm not saying

801
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 4: let's have sympathy for the man, but if he had

802
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 4: to suppress something that was very deep, and then he

803
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 4: got a dependent on drugs, which helps numb your real

804
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 4: feelings and maybe allows you to stay in your character.

805
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 4: It kind of means maybe he's had to be this

806
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 4: character his whole life. I don't know if he's ever

807
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 4: stepped out of the I don't even like thinking though

808
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 4: that way, because there's so many variations of everything anymore

809
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 4: that I don't even know that anything's as simple as

810
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 4: gay or straight. Those are the terms we used back

811
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 4: in my day, but nowadays there's eight hundred options. To me,

812
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 4: what I do know is that he did love Dix.

813
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 4: He did love the way they looked, he loved their shape,

814
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 4: he loved seeing them in action. That's been alleged in

815
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 4: everybody's testimony. And that's what I know to be true.

816
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 4: Is in my generation, younger kids might think differently. I know,

817
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 4: younger kids that are just more free with it and

818
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 4: don't put labels on things. Our generation labeled things more,

819
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 4: and there were like categories and they were simple. There

820
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 4: wasn't like seven hundred of them. It's why people have

821
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 4: gotten frustrated with I mean, it's a whole different topic,

822
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 4: but it's why people get frustrated with liberals. Nowadays, they

823
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 4: just opened the door for too many things, and the

824
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 4: people older people are a little bit tighter in the crotch.

825
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 4: We don't want to have to learn all the letters

826
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 4: and the names and the fucking titles and all the

827
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 4: When I had I did a sex pod with a

828
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 4: sex therapist, I really had to look things up. I am.

829
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 4: I am not as like I thought I was really

830
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 4: killing it when I was sexually active. I was really

831
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 4: not killing it that much. Like there are so many terms.

832
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 4: I mean, I didn't know velvet was something until I

833
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 4: learned that that velvet has more meetings than just fabric.

834
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 4: I did not know. You know, there's a lot going on.

835
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: Not the sex podcast.

836
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 4: You guys are over there doing missionary. Then you got

837
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 4: something going on. Good God, let me.

838
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: Tell you I was boring. They don't ever get a

839
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: good show out this window behind us.

840
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 4: Ever. I was gonna say, you guys have the opportunity

841
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 4: to do a whole lot. You guys would make a

842
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 4: killing on only.

843
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: The stop stop stop. But no, this is all I

844
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: don't know. You were, you were on fire, you were

845
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: worked up, and I think a lot of people like

846
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: you and Robot are out there or are struggling.

847
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 3: It's just hard.

848
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 4: Amy. Did you come to an answer when I wrote that?

849
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 4: What was your thought when I sent that to you?

850
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: You know, I'm with you in the sense that I

851
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: think both can be true. I think that she can

852
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: be a victim and at the same time yes, and

853
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 2: at the same time be complicit and at the same

854
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: time wanted. I don't know how important it would be

855
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: for a Jorge to know what your motives are. Yes,

856
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: it sounded like money was a motive, but I actually

857
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: think from what I saw or read and she loved,

858
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: it was for love. And as a woman, I can

859
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: totally understand that to a point, but it's conflict. I

860
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: was conflicted as well.

861
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 4: I saw the love thing when she said. When she

862
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 4: ended that I'm going to kill myself, she said, no

863
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 4: one's ever gonna love me. No one's ever loved me.

864
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: That's not something you say that in a transaction. The

865
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 4: price payment points that she listed out, those were transactional,

866
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 4: but the last line isn't transactional, And that told me

867
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 4: she's both. She knows she's transactional. I didn't get transactional

868
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 4: from Cassie. Maybe as she got like years down the line,

869
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 4: but this one is too new, and this one is

870
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 4: very much in an era. You know, COVID changed a

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Speaker 4: lot of things. And when TikTok and podcasts are deciding

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00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 4: the music industry, now followers are deciding your paychecks, comments

873
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 4: and views are deciding your status in the celebrity world.

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Speaker 4: It's asked backwards. Talent is nowhere in the sentence, nowhere

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Speaker 4: in any sentences. I haven't heard anything about talent. We

876
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 4: can't even watch music awards shows anymore.

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Speaker 3: They're a joke.

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Speaker 4: AMA's flopped, BT's this past weekend horrible, like it's not

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Speaker 4: I don't know what's even going on in music anymore,

880
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 4: and everybody feels it. But this younger generation and these

881
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 4: new ideas are kind of taking over. And that's why

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Speaker 4: I think to myself, this is going to be so split.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how a jury. I don't know how

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Speaker 4: you could get someone like us to understand all the

885
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Speaker 4: broad open thinking that's happening in a younger generation. I

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Speaker 4: don't know how you get a white person to fully

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Speaker 4: understand a black man's experience, or a black person to

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Speaker 4: understand a white man's experience.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: There's got to be so many levels of emotions that

891
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Speaker 4: they're gonna have to be able to pull on and

892
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Speaker 4: reason and all of these things that I just don't

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Speaker 4: I don't know that we're going to get a jury

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Speaker 4: that can all fully do that. And it already sounds

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Speaker 4: like there's a lot of facial communications going on that

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Speaker 4: are toxic for this type of environment. I think, at

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Speaker 4: the very least, I think they think they're going to

898
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Speaker 4: be hung on unless they have KK and a bodyguard,

899
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Speaker 4: they're going to be hung on. Rico. Sex trafficking might

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Speaker 4: be there and transporting people I've said early on is there.

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Speaker 4: Those each have a ten year on them, so that's

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Speaker 4: twenty then sex trafficking, I believe is a fifth is

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Speaker 4: a twenty year sentence per So there's two sex tracking sets.

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Speaker 3: Forty forty twenty. He's how old is he?

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Speaker 2: Do?

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Speaker 4: You guys know?

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Speaker 5: It's like mid fifties, mid fifties.

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Speaker 4: So you add you add sixty to that. I think

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Speaker 4: I heard if the sentence gets too big, they just

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Speaker 4: call it life. Someone told me that you couldn't talk down,

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Speaker 4: you couldn't lower federal charges in your sentence.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that that's true.

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Speaker 4: I think you can get good behavior and things like

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Speaker 4: that that will lower your sentence.

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Speaker 3: But you know, the idea that.

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Speaker 4: The confusion, the confusing parts of this could confuse enough

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Speaker 4: or even one person enough to not understand the criminal

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Speaker 4: aspects of all of this is pretty scary for a

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Speaker 4: whole lot of people.

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Speaker 2: We've been saying it just takes one juror so. Aubrey,

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Speaker 2: thank you for going through so much of what I

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Speaker 2: think a lot of folks are feeling, especially women watching

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Speaker 2: and reading and hearing about this testimony. It is conflicting,

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Speaker 2: but it was really cool to get your perspective, especially

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Speaker 2: with everything you know in the industry and certainly in

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Speaker 2: that world. And we're going to continue to talk to Aubrey,

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Speaker 2: continue to cover this trial and talk about the impact

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Speaker 2: not only just on the people who are in that courtroom,

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Speaker 2: but I, as you were pointing out, Aubrey, hopefully the

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Speaker 2: whole music industry and perhaps other industries, other entertainment industries, and.

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Speaker 4: Women too, to women's worth, understanding themselves sexually, their value,

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Speaker 4: men getting to see how damaging it could be if

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Speaker 4: you're stringing a woman on for sexual reasons. There are

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Speaker 4: so many topics that are right up in front of us,

935
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Speaker 4: like you could learn a whole lot about the people

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Speaker 4: around you. If you just asked to have one little

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Speaker 4: discussion over dinner about Diddy, you could learn who your

938
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Speaker 4: friends are quickly, and you could learn who the cuck

939
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Speaker 4: hoolds are real quickly if you bring up the terms

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Speaker 4: velvet the other ones they learned. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 4: whole dictionary.

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Speaker 5: I think we could save that for the after dinner drink.

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Speaker 2: But yes, that sounds good. Thank you, Aubrey, Thank you

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Speaker 2: all for listening to us. Please check out this feed.

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Speaker 2: We will have more content for you shortly. But have

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Speaker 2: a wonderful day, everybody.