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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks.

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Speaker 1: And we continue now with part two of our conversation

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Speaker 1: with Darren Babcock, right after these brief messages from our

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Speaker 1: general sponsors. All right, so do you get out of

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Speaker 1: rehab after the prayer and the work and the awakening

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Speaker 1: that is in you. It feels like maybe you're able

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Speaker 1: to get past all the shame and everything because of this.

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Speaker 2: That's a daily battle too, really, and every time I

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Speaker 2: slip up, I'm like, you know, the enemy says you're

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Speaker 2: just a fraud. Well, are you able to forgive yourself?

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Speaker 2: I think it's a daily thing. I mean, I wish

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Speaker 2: it was a one time for me. It's not a

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Speaker 2: one time thing. And then everything's sunny again. Every time

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Speaker 2: I see my kids, you know, I wonder I have

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Speaker 2: like what they love me, so they're not going to

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Speaker 2: blast me with what happened in that. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I hurt the people I love the most and the

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Speaker 2: people that I have been given responsibility to protect.

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Speaker 1: But grace is about redemption, and surely you believe that

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Speaker 1: I do, and I have to.

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Speaker 2: I have to remind myself that every day. It's not

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Speaker 2: something that I given money for and I have as

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Speaker 2: a possession. I have to I have to develop a

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Speaker 2: daily practice so that the voices in my head that

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Speaker 2: the truth is louder than the deceiver. Okay, And some

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Speaker 2: days it's quiet, Some days it's quiet. Some days it's quiet,

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Speaker 2: and others it's not.

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Speaker 1: If you get cut off in traffic leaving here today,

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Speaker 1: the voice will come up maybe and then the voice,

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Speaker 2: That's why it doesn't happen. But it's still I get it.

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Speaker 2: A process that's so interesting.

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Speaker 1: I could literally talk for ten hours with you about this,

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Speaker 1: and maybe one day we will, hopefully we would. I

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Speaker 1: to your out of rehab.

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Speaker 2: And everything was different, Like my whole life was built

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Speaker 2: around relationships that I could leverage to get what I wanted,

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Speaker 2: accomplishing what I wanted and doing what I wanted. And

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Speaker 2: the thing about this rebirth for me is that all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, I cared about other people, like really cared,

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Speaker 1: That was the exact opposite. Yeah, so what do you

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Speaker 2: Like every everything that I desired in my life had

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Speaker 2: been flipped on its head, and there were these new

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Speaker 1: Well, I read that you sold off the Slashki's business

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Speaker 1: and then you got a really good job. So you're

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Speaker 1: back on track, right, Yeah, well back on back on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I have a I have a relationship with

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Speaker 2: like I am, I am centered. But the battle doesn't

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Speaker 2: end there, right, and so enemy is what his mission

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Speaker 2: statement is the same, to still kill and destroy through deception.

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Speaker 2: And so all of a sudden God had changed my heart,

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Speaker 2: but I got placed right back in the environment that

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Speaker 2: up to me, which is the corporate world and hammered it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and who were he hammering it with? And uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, Blackstone Group was owned Hilton Hotels and a

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Speaker 1: Know your name like it's a that's an ego thing.

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Speaker 2: It's alluring and it's an elixir, and it becomes this

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Speaker 1: That that wrestling match continues. So ultimately you're working for

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Speaker 1: subsidiary of a Blackstone Group Company, which is Blackstone's what

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Speaker 1: a one two billion dollar organization? No, yeah, how many?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Blackstone Group's ridiculous. They're they're their annual income

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Speaker 2: It was this constant tuggle war about I don't know

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Speaker 2: So I started kind of going on short term mission trips.

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Speaker 2: And I think in hindsight, I wasn't mature enough for

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Speaker 1: Perfect segue. So, before we get to the fact that

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Speaker 1: the redemptive part of this remarkable journey that life has

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Speaker 1: talk about Bonton in terms of a neighborhood. What Bonton is.

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Speaker 1: Give us all an understanding of how Bonton even exists

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Speaker 1: and then also why you even showed up there in

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Speaker 2: Well, Bonton is a freedman's town. Before it was Bonton,

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Speaker 1: Right when I was reading about this, I was, you know,

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Speaker 2: So you know, after slavery we entered this time called emancipation,

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Speaker 1: Where do I go?

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Speaker 2: And I can't live where there's plumbing or electricity or

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't let me there. Really, you couldn't move into

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Speaker 2: But you're not really free, you're not enslave. But you

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Speaker 2: could I move? Well, we established the little freedman's towns.

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Speaker 2: you're familiar with the story of Black Wall Street, this

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Speaker 2: not as profound as Black Wall Street. But what happened.

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Speaker 2: What happens when you have a community with a bunch

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Speaker 2: You can't I can't participate in society. So they had

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Speaker 2: Black Wall Street's the most notable example of that, but

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Speaker 2: that happened everywhere. If you come to Bonton and walk

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Speaker 2: and prosperity happened. And then as prosperity happened, they're like, well,

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Speaker 2: was met with bombings.

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Speaker 1: So before we had a name met with bombings.

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Speaker 2: Bombings, Bonton was called bombtown, before we had the name Bonton.

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Speaker 1: Why because they bombed people would come into their neighborhood

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they would bomb the houses that they would try

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Speaker 1: Our mayor.

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Speaker 2: The federal government came out with a new program for

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Speaker 2: Our mayor Dallas, Dallas, whose name was Wallace Savage at

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Speaker 2: in order to prevent the Blacks from moving into our

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Speaker 2: for federal money to get public housing to keep them

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Speaker 2: So this happened again. All across the story I'm trying

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Speaker 1: Happened in this and so when we talk about systematic racism,

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Speaker 1: we need to drop our preconceived notions at the door.

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Speaker 1: We need to quit saying, well, I was born in

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Speaker 2: So this is important when we start talking about these things.

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Speaker 2: I believe my grandfather used to say that the past

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Speaker 2: is best used as a guiding post, not a hitching post.

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Speaker 1: It's a great souch.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's really important here because it gives

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Speaker 2: You see that in companies like Chick fil A. How

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Speaker 1: Hold it. We got to get get to That's what

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Speaker 1: That's what. That's what. That's what I had to wrestle

435
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Speaker 1: with our listeners who are regular listeners will hear this

436
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: and understand and spile. If you don't understand it, I'll

437
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: tell you about it later. But that's what we call

438
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: a turkey person Alex just shared that with me before.

439
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful metaphor, that's what it is. Yeah, yeah,

440
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: so you were feeling turkey personish. I was feeling like

441
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 1: a worse than a turkey, you know.

442
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 2: It was I'm trying to not be selfish, and yet

443
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: again I'm being deceived into being selfish through the act

444
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 2: of trying to be obedient and doing good. So I

445
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: went there's a funny story before this was when this

446
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: was all firmitting in my head, and I went on

447
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 2: a business trip and I bought a USA today and

448
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 2: I had had a chance to read it. So on

449
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 2: the way home, I pull it out on my briefcase.

450
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 2: I'd sit back in my first class seat, open up

451
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 2: my paper, and in the side the front cover was

452
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: this article about a guy named Arch Wes. You ever

453
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: heard of Arch West? No, he was from Dallas, and

454
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 2: the story was that in I can't remember that. I

455
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: think it was in the sixties. Arch took his family

456
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: on a vacation to California, southern California, and they're walking

457
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: up and down the beach and there's all these street

458
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: vendors and one of the vendors had a really long line.

459
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: So they made the assumption that that must be something special.

460
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: We should be patient wait in line to see what

461
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 2: it is. So they did, and when they get back home,

462
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: Arch cleans out his garage and he is determined to

463
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 2: try to make whatever that was they had, and in

464
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 2: doing so, invented doritos. You're kidding me, And so Arch

465
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: winds up selling Dourdo's to PepsiCo, and the story goes

466
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Speaker 2: on to talk about Arch wasn't a one trick pony.

467
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 2: He was a brilliant businessman. There was a point in

468
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: time where the pacee Pecani sauce had lagging sales. I

469
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: believe his name was Daniel Pace. One of the sons

470
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: called Arch and said, look our sales that we've tried

471
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: everything and we continue to lose shape market share. Will

472
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: you take a look at it and let me know

473
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Speaker 2: what you do. He called him back a couple of

474
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: weeks later and said, the problem is is that your

475
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: pacani sauce is on the isile with the ketchup, and

476
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: when people buy their bag of chips, by the time

477
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 2: they get to the ketchup, all they forgot and you're

478
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: missing opportunities. You need to talk to the stores and

479
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 2: see if they'll let you relocate your pekani sauce near

480
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: the chips, which is now what we know is cross merchandising,

481
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: but then was a novel thing. And so the story

482
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 2: concludes with as they lower Arch into his resting place,

483
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: his family and Coke workers stood around his gravesite and

484
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: sprinkled Grido's on his castle.

485
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: I love it.

486
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 2: And what God used that to speak to me was

487
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: I'm sitting on this first class flight coming from this

488
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 2: big business meeting, thinking I'm kind of a big deal

489
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: and no matter what I would have done in my

490
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: professional career, it would never be as significant as emtdridos.

491
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 2: And even if it were, if that's what I had

492
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: to if that's what people had to sprinkle on my

493
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: casket when my life was over, would I be okay

494
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 2: with that, So there was all the God was like,

495
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 2: he was like yelling through a whole bunch of variety

496
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 2: of megaphones at me. And that Arch West story was

497
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 2: one of the one of the big things that gave

498
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 2: me the courage to walk away from a career and

499
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: sell my home and move into the neighborhood. But before

500
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: I could do that, You can't just move into Bonton.

501
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: I had to ask permission, and they laughed at me,

502
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: you won't make it a week.

503
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: Here was there a single white person living in Bonton. Okay, no, no, no,

504
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: there was a lady.

505
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: There was a lady that was living there that was

506
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 2: part of this ministry that was there.

507
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: There was a white lady that lived there. So one

508
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: who'd you have to ask? Verssion of the men that

509
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 1: the men that I knew, I mean, somebody had to

510
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: say uch for touch for you, and they asked that

511
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: they think you were just out of your tree. Yeah. Well,

512
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: the first thing was that you'll get kid, you won't

513
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: make it, so don't do that. And then we started talking.

514
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I started sharing with them what

515
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: was on my heart and why I felt like it

516
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: was on my heart. They knew my testimony, and they

517
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: knew your past.

518
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: They knew my past, and and that just like I

519
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: had been given grace and I had been believed in

520
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: and mentored to rebuild my life, that if something's not

521
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: here to catalyze that for them, how does anything change.

522
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: So eventually I said, if you'll, if you'll move here,

523
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: we'll fight for you.

524
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: We'll have your back. And they gave me a list

525
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: of things I couldn't couldn't do, and said, if you

526
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: as long as you onner this list, we will go. Oh.

527
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: I got to hear some of those.

528
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: Well, it was two places that I couldn't go. Why

529
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: because they they're controlled by gangs and they can't protect

530
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: me there. If I wind up there, they can't. It

531
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: would ten twenty people would die protecting me.

532
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: I got it. So you can't go there. Go there.

533
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: The second thing was don't approach anybody. We'll bring people

534
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: to you and and you and but let people come

535
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: to you. Don't press put yourself on anybody, because again,

536
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: if they can say he came to me and did this,

537
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: then I can't.

538
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: I can only go so far to protect you. I

539
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: get it.

540
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm not gonna betray my community. So you

541
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: can't do that and put us in a position where

542
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: they can say you did this to them.

543
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: Just a whole set of different realities that most people

544
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: live in. Yeah, very much. So so you move in,

545
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,239
Speaker 1: so I move in?

546
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: Well I couldn't move in, so so I'm like, well,

547
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: you know this. They gave me permissions, so this will

548
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: be easy. I just need to find a place. There

549
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: was no place to live. Everything, every single place in

550
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: our community was designated as low income. And even though

551
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: I had quit my job and had no income, I

552
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: still didn't qualify as low income. So it took a while. Eventually,

553
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: a habitat house defaulted in our neighborhood. When somebody moves

554
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: out of their home, the dope fiends come in and

555
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: rip all the copper out of it, and then once

556
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: the homes open, it becomes a trap house. And so

557
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: this habitat house had been abandoned. The family couldn't make

558
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: it for one reason or another, moved out in the

559
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: middle of the night. The people that are out all

560
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: night saw the family move out, came in, took the

561
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: copper out, and then they moved in started selling dope

562
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: and prostitution out of it, and that became the place,

563
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: the only place I could live, because once somebody defaults

564
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: on a habitat house, the rules fall off of it.

565
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: So there was one place I could move in Bontan

566
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: and that and it was into an active trap house. Yeah,

567
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: with I'll show you pictures of that too, if you

568
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: want to see them from what it looked.

569
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: Like when we got there. Okay, so you're here now,

570
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: so I'm here, But now what are you going to do? Well?

571
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: I don't know.

572
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: To me, the only plan was to be present for

573
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: those men that i'd fallen in love with. You know

574
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: that you trusted me, that allowed me to come there,

575
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: and we're willing to fight to protect me to be there,

576
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: and so I want to get to know them and

577
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: to be present for them.

578
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: That was all. And so what you're talking about systems

579
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: in the back of your mind.

580
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: I know that though I didn't have a clue, the

581
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: best gift I had is I was ignorant, and I

582
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: was worse than ignorant because everything that I thought from

583
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: watching the news and here in our society was wrong. Yeah,

584
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: I learned that too, But my question is why then

585
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: if you're not there to change systems? Because you don't

586
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: know that yet. Is it all about? You just feel

587
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: like you were redeemed and now you want to try

588
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: to provide redemption for others. I want to be a facilitator,

589
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: like the people that brought me to rehabit, the people

590
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: that didn't give up on me when I'd given up

591
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: on myself, and everybody should have given up on me

592
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: that didn't, those people that persevered when I was not

593
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: worthy to be supported or walked with, or the reason

594
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: I'm here today. And if somebody was willing to give

595
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: that to me, then I have a responsibility to give

596
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: it back to others.

597
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: That's literally how it started for you. That's it had

598
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: nothing else to give. So now you're in Bonton. Yeah,

599
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: so that's a heck of a long way from Bonton Farms.

600
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well not that far. Well, I mean it's

601
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: not that big. The beautiful thing is this is not

602
00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: that hard. Will be right that.

603
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: The guys told me that if they didn't get a job,

604
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: they were going to die or go back to prison.

605
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: So that gave us some starting point because they knew

606
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: what they needed, but they didn't know how to get there.

607
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: And so I thought that with my experience it, maybe

608
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: I had what it take to help them get there.

609
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: So I looked at him and said, well, if I could.

610
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: You know, Blackstone owned a portfolio of one hundred and

611
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: twenty plus company so surely, if surely I can find

612
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: somebody's willing to give you an opportunity, especially given that

613
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: you're fighting to build a life for yourself. Like, they

614
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: want this and they're willing to do what it takes

615
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: to pursue it. So I asked him, I was like,

616
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: if I could get you an interview, what would you

617
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: tell them?

618
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: You have to offer? Tell me your value?

619
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: Right, looked at me like I was speaking Mandarin about

620
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: and so all I told them is like, look, if

621
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: you don't know your value, nobody's going to take the

622
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 2: time to figure it out for you. So I just said, look,

623
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: our community is a disaster. Why don't we work together

624
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 2: to clean it up. And in the process of cleaning

625
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 2: it up, we're going to I'm going to measure you

626
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: every day on whether you can do eight or nine

627
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: things that take no education or experience to do. It's

628
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: all heart. If you want to do it, you can

629
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 2: show up on time, leave on time, be a good teammate,

630
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: which means making the other people around you better. Be dependable,

631
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: be responsible, have a positive attitude. These are things you

632
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 2: can choose to do. And at Blackstone, I've read every

633
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: two years they come up with this IBM CEO study

634
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: that's like sixty of the most prominent CEOs from around

635
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: the world that do this report, this Landscape report, and

636
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: one that I had just read it was about this

637
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: topic and it was saying that the generation entering the

638
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: workforce are coming in more educated than ever before, that

639
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: they don't have the fundamentals right to be contributors because

640
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: these are the fundamentals that they're missing. They can't show

641
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: up on time, they're not the responsible and dependable and

642
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: so that's where that came from. Interestingly enough, and so

643
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 2: we started that and immediately about half of the people

644
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: that were working with us cleaning up the community were

645
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 2: too sick to show up every day.

646
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: Like it's a big number. Fifty percent too sick. Yeah. Diabetes, yeah, I.

647
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: Mean I had one that was legally blind from diabetes,

648
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: had another one that had undiagnosed high blood pressure that

649
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: had now converted into a late stage renal failure. So

650
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: we had dialysis three times a week had one that

651
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 2: three months after I moved there, was limping all the time.

652
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: Didn't know why he had diabetes and had that bottom

653
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: left part of his leg amputated. I had never heard

654
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: of diallas before, and so I'm like, why is everybody

655
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: here so sick?

656
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: And they're like, what are you talking about? I was like,

657
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: I'm forty seven years old. This isn't normal, but they

658
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: had never known it because it's normal to them. I

659
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: love this quote when it comes to this work. It's silly,

660
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: but I think it's profound. Says I don't know who

661
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: discovered water, but I know it wasn't a fish, because

662
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: it's all I don't know how to describe something that's

663
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: just always been there. I don't know what to compare

664
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: it to.

665
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: And so that's why this relational equity comes in, where

666
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 2: when we come together as a people's some there's things

667
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: that I cannot bring to the table that my community

668
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: in bond Con can, and there's other things that they

669
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: can't bring to the table that when those things merge,

670
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: that's when the kingdom comes. So you found out so

671
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: health was a problem, So we planted a garden. I

672
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: didn't know what else to do. It was a silly

673
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: little thing. We have right by my house. We have

674
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: a liquor store and a beer and wine store right

675
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 2: across the street from each other. Unbeknownst to me, the

676
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: liquor store was selling dope out of it. So a

677
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: lady gone into the liquor store, bought some dope, walked outside,

678
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: shot up, walked across the street. Right by our garden.

679
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: There's a bus stop bench, and she sat on that

680
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: and started nodding off, which happens. You can go through

681
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: my community right now and there's people nodding off on

682
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: the benches. So nobody pays attention till somebody did, and

683
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: they went up to check on her, and sheet o'd

684
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: eden died. So when they found out the dope came

685
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: from the liquor store, DA and FBI and the cops

686
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: and code enforcement and everything come down. There's crime tape

687
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: around the building, and it just so happens to be.

688
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: That was the time when we finally got something besides

689
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: grass and weeds to grow in our garden. We had

690
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 2: our first harvest. So one of my guys was walking

691
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: in front of that bus stop bench just a few

692
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: days later with a bag of vegetables, and one of

693
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: the guys that's posted up out in front of that

694
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: corner store walks up to him and says, well, you

695
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: have a new bag. He says, vegetables from our garden.

696
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: He said, let me see. So we opened up the

697
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: bag and the guy say, I'll give you three dollars

698
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: for it. So they made the deal, and a code

699
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: enforcement officer walks across the street and writes him a

700
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 2: ticket for it. For what selling vegetables? Oh, for gosh

701
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: sake are you. I can sit on my front porch

702
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: and watch people being sold and nothing happens, and we

703
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: get written a ticket for selling vegetables. So being I

704
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: guess this passive aggressive thing still rages in me, we

705
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: started calling ourselves BoNT On Farms, just to poke the city.

706
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: And I lamented, that's hilarious.

707
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: Lamant it because people think we're about a farm or not.

708
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: I mean, if you think of the word farm, what

709
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: it literally means is to cultivate, is to grow and cultivate,

710
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: And it's just that we grow and cultivate people.

711
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: The metaphor is not lost on me, but it is.

712
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said it because people need to understand it.

713
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: So it started with a garden. So it started with

714
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: a little workforce program that which through the lens of

715
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: a garden. Yeah, well we were cleaning up our community.

716
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: Okay, the guys just said we need to work, and

717
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: so we've got to create a mechanism for them to

718
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 2: get the kind of confidence of and to understand what

719
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: employers value, because employers don't pay you to show up.

720
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: They pay you for what you contribute value creation. But

721
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: they will fire you for not showing up. Yeah, because

722
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: you're not creating value. That's a good point all with

723
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: that value. But the point is those basic tenets and

724
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: fundamentals of what you have to do to be a

725
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: good employee. Through the lens of cleaning up and starting

726
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: this garden and all these things, you were actually instituting

727
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 1: those fundamentals into their ethos. Yep, right, yep, absolutely right.

728
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: And then I start being awakened to the systems thing

729
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: because the next thing, you know, if you're too sick

730
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 2: to work, guess what you can't work? So those health

731
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: outcomes outlined earlier, it's a plague in our community. It's

732
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: not an anomaly. So if half my community is sick

733
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: and dying, how can we ever be productive? You have

734
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: to address health. So all of a sudden, it's not

735
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: just one thing, it's a couple of things. Then we're

736
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: successful getting our first guy job.

737
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: The guy looks like Ray Lewis, like he is a

738
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: He's a scary physical specimen, but is the sweet His

739
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: personality is the opposite of his stature. It's the sweetest

740
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: man you'll ever meet.

741
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: And he shows up at my door and he is

742
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: crying like a child cries where your whole body shakes.

743
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 2: He's having a panic attack. And I'm like, what's going on.

744
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm afraid I'm gonna lose my job. If

745
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: I lose my job, I'm going back to prison. I

746
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: can't go back to prison. Like I can't go back

747
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: to prison. He's just like, on a scale of one

748
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: to ten, he's at a ten. And I was like,

749
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: come in the house. He comes in and I was like,

750
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: what's going on. He's like, they're trying to reap on

751
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: my car. So you don't have a car. I drove

752
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: you to your interview a week and a half ago.

753
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: He's like, well, on the application, they asked me if

754
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: I had transportation to get here. I didn't think they

755
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: were going to hire me. But when they did, I

756
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 2: couldn't be a liar. I had I had to get

757
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: a car. But that's that ain't been. It's just been

758
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: a little over a week ago. I don't understand. He's like, Oh,

759
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: I make weekly payments, but I get my paycheck for

760
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: two weeks. I've never heard of weekly car payments. Bring

761
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: to your paperwork. So he brought me his paperwork. What

762
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 2: was the He paid eighty four hundred dollars for a

763
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 2: car that had a thirty five hundred dollars blue book value,

764
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 2: was being charged thirty percent interest on top of that,

765
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 2: and had weekly payments.

766
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So the next thing is you I've

767
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 1: asked this question for about eight years another system.

768
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: Could you be and do what you've been and done

769
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: if you never had access to credit?

770
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: Say it one more time?

771
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: Could you be and do what you've been and done

772
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 2: if you never had access to credit?

773
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: Could? I'm answering the question could I be and do

774
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: what I have been? There?

775
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 2: You are and done what you've done without access to credit.

776
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 2: I've asked that, Oh, but it's access to fair credit.

777
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 2: But that's my way of saying it. Well, but you

778
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: understand what I'm saying absolutely no. I've asked that for

779
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: eight years to maybe ten thousand people now and I've

780
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: not had one person say yes. So when that happens,

781
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: what you're saying is that one barrier alone suffocates your potential.

782
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: Just that. Wow, we never talk about fair credit. I mean,

783
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: I certainly, I guess I'm cognizant of that, but I

784
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: don't know that I've thought about it in that stark

785
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: of reality. But it's so true. If you have no

786
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 1: access to credit, how do you start? That's the whole

787
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: purpose and credit in the first place.

788
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: Well, it's just the nature of the of the society

789
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 2: we live in that credit is a really access to

790
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: fair credit is a really important part of building a life.

791
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: In fact, I argue you can't do it. When I

792
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: got my first job out of college, I had to

793
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: rent a U haul. Well I'm old enough that they

794
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: didn't give out credit cards to kids that didn't have

795
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 2: credit yet, thank god, as I would I would probably

796
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: be in debt jail still if they did so. And

797
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 2: then I had to put a deposit down in an apartment

798
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: and I'd pay first and last month to posit up

799
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: to get utilities because I had no record, your first

800
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: I had orrow five thousand dollars to accept my first job.

801
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: Your first business, I'm sure you didn't go bosh Lawski's

802
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: for cash. You're probably barring the money on the land,

803
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: appreciating it.

804
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: If seen as I started a roofing company, so you

805
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 2: know you have to. Before that, I had a lawnmar

806
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: then on around, I had credit to do everything I've

807
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: ever done. Even if it was one hundred dollars for

808
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 2: my dad to go buy and refurbish lawnmow.

809
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: Still credit. It's still credit.

810
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: And that's real in my world because when I have

811
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: people come out to go to work and their batteries

812
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: dead and I don't have eighty five dollars, I have to.

813
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: If I have the title to my car, I take it.

814
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: If I don't have a tide in my car, I

815
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: go get a payday loan advance. And if I don't

816
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: have that, I have to go inside and take my

817
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 2: TV off the wall and go to the pawn shop

818
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: to get one hundred dollars to buy a battery so

819
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 2: I can get to work. And then by the time

820
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: I've done that, I get to work and they say sorry,

821
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 2: turn around and go home.

822
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: You're two hours late. You're for eighty five bucks.

823
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: I started micro lending out of our community when this

824
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: happens just out of my home. Our average loan is

825
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 2: forty seven dollars. And it's the difference between being evicted,

826
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: our utilities being shut off, losing job because I came

827
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: out my tire slat. It's I have a lady that

828
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: what's your default right? A seven percent? We have a

829
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: ninety three percent payback rate. But it didn't start that

830
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: way in an area where you would expect that to

831
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: be forty percent. No, this is one I said.

832
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: It didn't start that way.

833
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: No, it didn't start that way. Because people are so

834
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 2: grateful that you intervene on their behalf that they over

835
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: promised their repayment.

836
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: They feel bad that they had to ask you. They

837
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: still grow so grateful that you were willing to build

838
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: that bridge to help them, that I over promise my

839
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: payback and I'll pay you back next pay period, and

840
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: they just can't. I can't.

841
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: So once we started saying, look, I don't care if

842
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: you even pay me back. What I care about is

843
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: you build a bridge through your trust and your word.

844
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 2: So if you can't pay me back for a year,

845
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: tell me you can't pay me back for a year,

846
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: because by honoring your word, you're building a bridge that

847
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: next time you need help, I can help you again

848
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: because you've established yourself as trustworthy.

849
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: So don't. I don't care about them.

850
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: It's not about the money, it's about the car, the

851
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: thing you talk about. It's about building character to be

852
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: who you say you are and do what you say

853
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 2: you are, because that's how social fabric builds, and trust

854
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: and healthy relationships established.

855
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: That's not normal in my neighborhood. So from this, Bontom Farms,

856
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: which is that point, is nothing more than a garden

857
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: next to the house in front of the truck stop

858
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: across the street from the lick store, which is mean. Mindside,

859
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: picturing you sit on the front porch of that and

860
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: this neighborhood is a little bit hilarious. It's also really

861
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: heartwarming some of what Bonton's Farms is today.

862
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: Bonton Farms works to create the conditions for flourishing. We

863
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: believe that people are made in the image of God

864
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: and that if the conditions for flourishing exist for people

865
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: to do so, that they would. It is not a

866
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: people problem, it's a system problem. And so those outcomes

867
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 2: that I told you. There's another quote that I love

868
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 2: that says, if you show me the outcome, the journey

869
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: will reveal itself. The system will reveal itself. So when

870
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: I moved to Bonton and my neighbors showed me the

871
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: journey or showed me the outcome, the systems revealed themselves.

872
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: That to me is the best news you can hear,

873
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 2: because it would be exponentially harder if people were the problem.

874
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: It's one life at a time. It's a grind. Not

875
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: everybody's the same, So it's a it's not a science,

876
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: it's an art.

877
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: So how do you figure all that out? But if

878
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 2: it's not a people problem, and it's a system problem,

879
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: we can simply rebuild a system and people leverage that system,

880
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: just like we did. Why is it that in Amerollo, Texas,

881
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: blue collar, middle class city at best, we graduate ninety

882
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: eight percent of our kids from high school every year

883
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: for generations? Because why is it that we don't have

884
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: those negative health outcomes? Why is it that we don't

885
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: have high teen birth rates from across generations? There is

886
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: a system and culture established there that's conducive for who

887
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 2: God created you to be for that potential to manifest.

888
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: And that's the best news of this is this can

889
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: be done easily and by creating the conditions for flourishing

890
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: one neighborhood at a time. And what happens is that

891
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: when the conditions for flourishing happen over time, those outcomes normalize.

892
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: Who wouldn't want that?

893
00:47:53,840 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: So bon Time Forms is creating a change in systems

894
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: for US residents.

895
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: We think there's a framework that anybody could use anywhere.

896
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: We don't prescribe anything like this is not a model.

897
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: A model would say this is what you do. A

898
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: framework suggests you consider categories of work. But we have generations,

899
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: as you learned during your time coaching at Manassas, there's

900
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: generations of kids that are bringing generations of trauma and

901
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: brokenness forward. We have to reach back and love on

902
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: those people, walk with those people. So people development and

903
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: love and caring for one another, mentoring and discipleship have

904
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: to be a part of it. It's the hardest part

905
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: of it because it can't be formulated. It's a life

906
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 2: at a time. It's an art, not a science. God

907
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: doesn't treat me the same way as he treats you,

908
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: And even issue to issue in my life. Sometimes I

909
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: have horrible consequences for stuff, and sometimes he loves me

910
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: through things, and so there's this art that goes to that.

911
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: The second part of the word is the conditions for flourishing.

912
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 2: We call them human essentials because I like for people

913
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: to know this isn't something special you're creating for some

914
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: poor people. These are things that we all enjoy and

915
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: we're just applying it to places that have never had

916
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: it before.

917
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 1: So the term.

918
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: Human essentials, Oh, it makes me think that I'm no

919
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: different than anybody else.

920
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: You're not doing thing special for us.

921
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: You're just doing the same things for us that everybody

922
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: else is enjoyed. So we think that those seven things.

923
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 2: If you think about growing food, there's three things that

924
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: you need and three ingredients you need. You need sun

925
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: soil and water, you need nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium, and

926
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: there's a whole bunch of micro ingredients that will make

927
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: it better. But if I don't have those six, you

928
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 2: won't get fruit. You can have five, you won't get

929
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: fruit any combination of them. If I took it the

930
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: front of your building and put where there's light, and

931
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: got a cotton ball and I wet it down and

932
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 2: put a carrotsy in there and put it in the window,

933
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: and it has water and it has sun When can

934
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: I come back and get a care I don't know.

935
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 2: Never it's missing soil. You can't if I put it

936
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: in soil and gave it water and put a piece

937
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: of tin over it, so it never got sunlight.

938
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: When when I come back and get.

939
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 2: A care, never didn't get So so why is it

940
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: that we go about this social work doing What if

941
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 2: they just got a job, If we could just get

942
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: the third grade weading level, if we could just do.

943
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: Because they don't have all six things, one an of

944
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: itself as it will not work. Not as a brilliant metaphor.

945
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: You know in Psalms, there's a scripture it says the

946
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: heavens declare the glory of God, and the skies proclaim

947
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 2: his name, and day after day they pour forth speech

948
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 2: like the creation shows us. Right, if you just look

949
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 2: at creation and how it works, it's a model for

950
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: how we work.

951
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: They're not separate things.

952
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: He created the natural environment around us to show how

953
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: things work. The fall, the leaves fall down, and they die,

954
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: and then they decompose and they convert into nutrients and

955
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 2: then it gives life to something new. It's all all

956
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: through creation. He's showing us how to do this work,

957
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: and we're just masters of hitting the bulls eye of

958
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: the wrong target.

959
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. How long have you lived in

960
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: Bonnat twelve years? What are the changes you've seen? We?

961
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: I mean some silly little things. We can get food

962
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: delivered to us now. Internet providers will come in and

963
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 2: install internet. When I moved in and called to get

964
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 2: my utilities on an internet service, the internet service said,

965
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: we don't service your area.

966
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 1: Are there places you still can't go? One? Just one?

967
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 2: It's not in our neighborhoods. Why, it's just out side

968
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: of our neighborhood. And it's just a it's controlled by gangs.

969
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 2: It's called little World, but we know it is murder world.

970
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 2: It's just it's a. But the rest of that footprint

971
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: as no. Yeah, and you don't have to have permission

972
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: to come into Bonton.

973
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: Now do the police come now? Yeah? Sometimes are the police?

974
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: How's that dynamic? Very well? We have an amazing police chief,

975
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: Eddie Garcia, that believes that opportunity, the lack of opportunity

976
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: is birth's crime and that you can't police your way

977
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: out of the problem, and so he loves the work

978
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: that we do, supports the work we do. In fact,

979
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: Amen about every quarter they get everybody that is a

980
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: violent offender in our city that's not locked up, and

981
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: they invite them out to have pizza and they and

982
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: they have the FBI there, they have all they have.

983
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: The DA comes, the mayor comes, police chiefs there, the

984
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: sheriffs are there, and they say, we have zero tolerance

985
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: in this city for violence. But we don't believe you're

986
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: a bad person or that you're a violent person. We

987
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: believe that it stems from lack of opportunity. And so

988
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: there's people here that whatever opportunity or resources you need,

989
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: you can get. And so I know that I can

990
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: sleep at night because I'm connecting you with the people

991
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: that have what you need. And if you don't take

992
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 2: that help and you commit a violent act, everybody in

993
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: here is coming after you. It's your choice, but everybody

994
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: in here will support You're not a bad person. We

995
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 2: know that the actions follow desperation and lack of opportunity

996
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: and a feeling be nice lated alone. So here are

997
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 2: the people that will help you. And if they can't.

998
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: Let me know who can, and we'll connect you to

999
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 2: those resources because we believe in you. But if you

1000
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: don't take this opportunity and you choose to do violent acts,

1001
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: we will come after you. Well gotta believe people sitting

1002
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 2: in that very room are from BONTI.

1003
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: A lot of them.

1004
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: Well they're from the There's forty Bontons around in South Dallas.

1005
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: We're a tail of two cities. So that if you go.

1006
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 2: Across downtown Dallas where I thirty cuts across it.

1007
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: South of I thirty is North is beautiful, and all

1008
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: that North is what you see on TV, and South

1009
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: is what they don't show on TV. Beyond the farm

1010
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: and the jobs and really the job training getting people

1011
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: really hirable. What are some other stuff? I know you've

1012
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: done some stuff with banking, and we talked about predatory lending,

1013
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: but housing, what else?

1014
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: Everywhere I go across the country, it's the same things.

1015
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: And it might not be all seven, but it's some

1016
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 2: combination of this is that we have lack of economic development,

1017
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: and so we have to create jobs, not just prepare

1018
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 2: people and place them in jobs. They say the average

1019
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: dollar stays in the inner city six minutes compared to

1020
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: middle class community six days.

1021
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: So say that again. That's another one ideas in the

1022
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: inner city six minutes.

1023
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 2: Because if all the effort is workforce development to get

1024
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 2: me a job somewhere else in an economic center, and

1025
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: I go there and earn my paycheck, and I come

1026
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: back home and there's no goods and services to spend

1027
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 2: that money on, I wind up giving it right back

1028
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: to you. So there's no flywheel of wealth building and

1029
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 2: economy building because so far most of our efforts have

1030
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 2: been job preparation and go work where there's already jobs.

1031
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: We have to create economics in our neighborhoods so that

1032
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: the dollars get exchanged. It creates this flywheel of prosperity

1033
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: in wealth building because our dollars start to be changed exchanged.

1034
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: With one another.

1035
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 2: So economic development, health care, access to health care, access

1036
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: to fresh, affordable food. We've launched a program in partnership

1037
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 2: with Kroger that called Grocery Connect. That is just extraor

1038
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 2: we can end food desert in the United States in

1039
00:55:54,120 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 2: five years. The plan is there to do that. Remedial banking.

1040
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: We have to have a way banks.

1041
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: Exist for people replacing your forty seven dollars loans.

1042
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, because if somebody has to come to my house

1043
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 3: when I need to get to work and I came

1044
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 3: out and my batteries dead, and they have to hope

1045
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 3: that I'm home, it's just not dependent enough.

1046
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: We need the instant of financially insident. It's also not

1047
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: building a proper credit life or score.

1048
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: That I get the micro Lenning taught me the lessons

1049
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 2: so that we could come up with an entrepreneurial solution

1050
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: to outcompete predatory lenders with this remedial bank model.

1051
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: Love it education.

1052
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: You know, still most of most of the country fund

1053
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 2: schools based on property taxes. So kid so kids that

1054
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: live in areas where property taxes low don't have the

1055
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 2: same kind of fields, resources, equipment. You've unfortunately experienced a

1056
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: lot of that. So we have to and education means

1057
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 2: a lot of different things. It's not just primary education.

1058
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 2: How do we build culture in the wisdom if our

1059
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 2: families have been decimated for generatations now, the wisdom that

1060
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 2: we are talking about being shared today, that's been so

1061
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 2: freely given to me, how do we start to instill

1062
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 2: that wisdom as a form of education in our community.

1063
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: You spend a lot of your time on character.

1064
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 2: The three things I picked up that you kept hammering

1065
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 2: those kids home on. What were the three character commitment?

1066
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, so it's a form of education. Safe

1067
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: affordable housing is a really challenging thing and in Bonton

1068
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: we had worked with the city to bring some innovative products.

1069
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 2: Most zoning is all designed to build to be a

1070
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: to draw people to a city for economic benefit, and

1071
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: it's never really been thought of housing when it comes

1072
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: to people that fall out of that eighty percent framework rule.

1073
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: Every single thing you said is so consistent with one

1074
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: over arcing tennant. You're changing the system, that's the system.

1075
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: Every one of those is a systematic change hip. It's phenomenal. Yep,

1076
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: what's next? So I think you've experienced this. I don't

1077
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: want to put words in your mouth, but when you

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Speaker 1: do something profound, something transformative, there's a part of the

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00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: world that wants to make you a hero. And if

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Speaker 1: this is a kingdom work, that's a really dangerous thing

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00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: because then people think, well, it's because of Coach Bill

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00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: or it's because of Darren Babcock. And if that happens,

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00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: then people don't believe that it can be done anywhere

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00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: and everywhere. That it takes some special person to do it,

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00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: then we remain paralyzed and stuck. So because this is

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Speaker 1: a kingdom work, and I believe that it's incredibly important

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00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: and it can't just be in BoNT On. It has

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00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: to spread. When COVID hit, we implemented a plan or

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00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: the next three year strategic plan, and part of that

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00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: was a succession plan. And I was going to have

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00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: to walk away because it was becoming too much about

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Speaker 1: me and too dependent on me, and that can't happen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that would kill Bonton might make it, but

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Speaker 1: nobody else. It wouldn't help anybody else.

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Speaker 2: So we did that, and I thought I was going

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Speaker 2: to have to go back to business, which I lamented

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Speaker 2: but I was willing to do. And again providentially, it's

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Speaker 2: just like every time I'm obedient, God orders my steps,

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00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 2: and every time I'm not, I wound up in these

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Speaker 2: really dark lost places. But Stand Together Foundation called and

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00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: said I'd been telling them for eight years. It's not

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00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: about the individual things that you're doing that are all beautiful,

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00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: But if we don't build that help, if we don't

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00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: build healthy foundations and fences by building systems of flourishing

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00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: then we can't put enough humpty dumpties back together again

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Speaker 2: to win this battle. And they finally called and said, well,

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00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: we think that's right, but we don't really know how

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00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 2: to go about it. Would you consider coming and joining

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00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 2: our team and building a place base work for us.

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Speaker 2: So now I get to go everywhere, I meet amazing

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Speaker 2: people like you guys, I get exposed to some things

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Speaker 2: I've never seen before so I can add it in,

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Speaker 2: and then I glso get to share what we've learned

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Speaker 2: in Bonton with other people that haven't seen that before.

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Speaker 1: And I believe that.

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Speaker 2: I believe that the breakdown that we're experiencing in our society,

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Speaker 2: if you just take our country is a country because

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Speaker 2: of people, right, If you have no people, it's not

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Speaker 2: a country, it's just a land mass. So our country

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Speaker 2: is us. We put too much on government and all

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Speaker 2: these other forces and use this as an excuse for

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Speaker 2: why things are the way we are. We have the

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Speaker 2: power by loving one another, that's it. You mean an

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Speaker 2: army of normal folks, Yes, I mean an army of

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Speaker 2: normal folks, and that we can leverage this into something

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Speaker 2: where if you look at what are the most glaring

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01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 2: things that you hear about across society that are social

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Speaker 2: issues that we spend vast amounts of resources trying to solve.

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Speaker 2: There's a bunch of poverty, heartlessness, addiction, human trafficking, criminal justice,

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Speaker 2: criminal justice. Those are symptoms of a problem if you

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Speaker 2: address symptoms and not the cause, which is what we've

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Speaker 2: done for the last one hundred and fifty years. So

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Speaker 2: what we're encouraging everybody to do is where is the

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Speaker 2: breakdown happening, and the breakdowns happening and data it's irrefutal,

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01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 2: comes from two places, and it affects our whole country.

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01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 2: Areas of concentrated poverty and the breakdown of the family

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Speaker 2: in stop. And we need a huge part of our

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Speaker 2: philanthropic community, our faith community, and hopefully with the proper

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Speaker 2: support of government to come together and to make investments

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Speaker 2: to see that our families are held together in restored

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Speaker 2: and that the areas of concentrated poverty have the conditions

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Speaker 2: for flourishing because all of those down on stream symptomatic

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Speaker 2: issues that I just described are being filled and populated.

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Speaker 2: The pipeline to those is coming from those two places.

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Speaker 1: Could not agree more.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm somebody that didn't come from a broken family.

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01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 2: So obviously that's not true. Now there's anomalies, but it's

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Speaker 2: ten percent. If ninety percent coming from those two things,

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01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 2: shouldn't we focus on that ninety percent.

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Speaker 1: If somebody listen to me has a Bonton neum, they

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01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: do right. Everybody listening does right. But if they have

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Speaker 1: a bon time nerum and they have a heart and

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Speaker 1: a desire to do the kind of work that you've done,

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Speaker 1: how do they find Bonton or you? Or how does

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01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: that happen? How does somebody want to or or maybe

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01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: there's just somebody listen wants to support it. What how

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Speaker 1: do they find it? Where do they go?

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Speaker 2: Well, if you ask around, Because I got the privilege

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Speaker 2: of touring this beautiful city yesterday and every neighborhood we

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01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 2: drove in there was some amazing people out there doing

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Speaker 2: a fantastic, beautiful work, and so you just have to

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Speaker 2: seek it out. I don't recommend people just driving in

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01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 2: and saying, hey here I am. I think it's good

1164
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 2: to enter through someone that has some equity and relationship

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01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 2: already established, and then it God may lead you into

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01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 2: your own thing.

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Speaker 1: But if they want to learn how you did it, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think if you google Bonton Farms, you'll read an

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Speaker 1: abundance of stories that kind of talk about how we

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Speaker 1: did it. Yeah, so googling Bonton you can hear the

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Speaker 1: stories and all of that, which there's a Bonton literally

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Speaker 1: every ten square miles in a municipality. Right, So I

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01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: mean the founder of Bonton and now you're exit. But

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Speaker 1: what a Stand Together.

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Speaker 2: Stand Together found is a national foundation that for the

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Speaker 2: last nine years has been immersed in the social sector

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Speaker 2: because we look around the country and say, you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a report that came out recently that said less

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Speaker 2: than two percent of all nonprofits show evidence of real transformation. So,

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Speaker 2: just to put it in context, today, there's over if

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Speaker 2: you take churches and educational institutions out of it, there's

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01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 2: a million and a half nonprofits that represent over ten

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01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 2: percent of all jobs in the United States, five point

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01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 2: seven percent of our GDP, And if you take government

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01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 2: money out of it, consume five hundred billion dollars a year.

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01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 2: And yet every problem we care about that we just

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Speaker 2: highlighted is getting worse.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like this this massive amount of resource of time, effort, talent,

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Speaker 1: and money being employed. But it feels like it's a

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Speaker 1: million different birds pecking at it. Yeah, rather than one

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01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: could joined effort. And what if we could pull all

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Speaker 1: of those resources together and instead of having you know,

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01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: a lot of little pets as something, have a massive

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Speaker 1: drill born a hole on the problem. So that's stand together.

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Speaker 1: It's like first one us to stand together.

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Speaker 2: We know that we know that the data reveals that

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01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 2: we're where we need to desperately figure out a way

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Speaker 2: to start winning on these issues that we care most about.

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Speaker 2: And we know we're not and the status cause is

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Speaker 2: not okay, we don't know what we don't know? So

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01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 2: how do we how do we learn to be able

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01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 2: to advise, counsel and come alongside and partner with people.

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01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 2: We need to just go immerse ourselves in the market

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01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 2: and do it. And so they've done that for over

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Speaker 2: nine years now, and then.

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Speaker 1: You are we with them with stand together? What do

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01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: you do with that?

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Speaker 2: I have the responsibility of building their place based work.

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01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: So my title is Director of Community Transformation and the

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01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 2: work that I've developed, the place based work we've developed,

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01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 2: we call it Radius and we have the opportunity to

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01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 2: go all across the country and to learn from other

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01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 2: people and then we like to get invited into places

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01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 2: to say, can we come alongside you with all of

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01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 2: the ten years of experience and resources that we have

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01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: and capabilities we've developed to help bring something really special

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01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 2: to your city. But we won't come unless we're invited.

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Speaker 2: So that's why it's like this past least travel. It

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01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 2: takes some time to earn that, take some time to

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01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 2: build relationships, take some time to see if your vision

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01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 2: for your city is aligns with what capabilities we have

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01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 2: to bring to bear. We have patients, and so we've

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01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 2: been invited here to kind of start a conversation about

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01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 2: just learning about your city and where you guys hope

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Speaker 2: to take it.

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Speaker 1: Darren, When you look at the mirror this morning and

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01:06:55,480 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: you think that it wasn't that long ago that you

1228
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: are numbing your sadness and depression with cocaine and fights,

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01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: and you are where you are now, what do you feel?

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Speaker 1: Just gratitude.

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Speaker 2: I feel an awful lot of grace because it's the

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01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 2: only thing that allows me to know that I've been

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01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 2: extended grace. And because I've been getting extended grace by

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01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 2: my creator, I can give it to myself and learn

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Speaker 2: to give it to others.

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Speaker 1: I feel an abundance of mercy because I didn't suffer

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Speaker 1: all the consequences that I should have. I've been spared

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01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: from so much, and I think the last thing is

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01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: just joy, you know. Gratitude, grace, mercy, and joy are

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01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: the things that define my life more now than ever before.

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Speaker 1: From a dude who grew up an Amillo and came

1242
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: up blue middle class Oklahoma wrestling and all of that

1243
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: built a business, Oh my gosh, with the six and

1244
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,679
Speaker 1: seven year old son, loses his thirty year old wife,

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01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 1: the wheels come off, and then he fights through, finds

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01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: his faith, finds a relationship with God, gets back, starts

1247
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 1: killing the corporate environment, and walks away because he feels

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01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: responsibility to give the same grace and mercy he received

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01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,839
Speaker 1: in his life at the depth of the dark, darkest

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01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: deep this place and then moves into a place like Bontan,

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01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: builds it up, turns it over, and is now going

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01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 1: around the country with stand together trying to find ways

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01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: to use that experience to help facilitate other growth. That's

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Speaker 1: your story, yes, sir, I'm sticking to it. Wow, dude,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sharing it with us. Thank

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01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: you so much for the work you have put in

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01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: to help other people, and Man, the wisdom you know.

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01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: I just hope our listeners paid attention to the understanding

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Speaker 1: that people are made in God's image and therefore they

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Speaker 1: are good. Systems are made by human beings, and therefore

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Speaker 1: they are failed. And if we will believe in the

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01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: human beings and not believe in the systems, then we

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01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: can change our culture. And I think that's what I

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01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: get the most from you, and.

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Speaker 2: That He's modeled creation works because he designed the system

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01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,640
Speaker 2: for creation to work. That's why the moon rises the

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01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 2: way it does, and the sunsets the way it does,

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01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 2: and the tides come in and go out, and the

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01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:13,719
Speaker 2: seasons come and go. He designed a system that shows

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01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 2: us what it looks like to have a flourishing system,

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01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 2: and all of creation enjoys it. And so it's not

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01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 2: like we have to come up. We just need to

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01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 2: be observing of what God's showing us already all around

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01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 2: us every day, and then emulate it.

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Speaker 1: Darren Babcott, the founder of been Bontan Farms and now

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01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: is stand together and really the arbiter of some pretty

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01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: exceptional wisdom. Thanks man for joining me here. Honored to

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01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 1: meet you. It's an honor to meet you. Dude. You've

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01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: done to act a lot more than I have than

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01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm I've instead of being an interviewer today,

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01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: I've felt more like a student than i've appreciate the lessons.

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01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, Thank you, and thank you for joining

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01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: us this week. If Darren Babcock or other guests have

1284
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 1: inspired you in general, or better yet, inspired you to

1285
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:16,759
Speaker 1: take action by volunteering or donating to Bonton Farms, starting

1286
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: something like it in your community, or something else entirely,

1287
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: please let me know. I'd love to hear about it.

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01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: You can write me anytime at Bill at normalfolks dot us,

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Speaker 1: and I promise you guys, I'll respond. If you enjoyed

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