WEBVTT - Tony Hawk 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.680 Hello, mydeas. The Joy Podcast will be taking the holidays off. 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:07.200 I hope you can too and have a lovely time 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:11.119 however you like to spend it, and with whomever you 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.440 like to spend it with. We'll be back on January 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:18.960 the fourteenth with the Lovely Lisa Lobe. That's more alliteration 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:20.479 than I thought I was going to have when I 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.919 started talking today. But there you are, the Lovely Lisa 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:27.520 Lobe on the fourteenth of January, and have a lovely 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.640 holiday time, my friends. Be careful, stay safe, see you soon. 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:37.040 My name is Craig Ferguson. This podcast is called Joy. 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.800 It's not rocket science. I talk to people I like 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:42.440 about their pursuit of happiness. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:50.040 Here's Tony Hawk, a legend, an icon, maybe the icon 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:51.400 of the skateboard world. 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:58.080 Enjoy. How are you feeling about the way? Are you 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.800 all right? Like a thank you? 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.560 That seemed like a much more loaded question, But no, 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.319 I yeah, I broke my leg by a year ago. 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:13.520 And yes, finally, yes, I went through a false start 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.400 the first time because I got back too soon and 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.480 the impact forced my bone to never reconnect. 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.160 Evil, evil shit going on. 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:28.800 I mean, in hindsight, it's regrettable. It's embarrassing, but I 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.319 also was in denial of it. I thought that I 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:34.200 was just going through a harder time. So about eight 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.440 months into my recovery, I realized that it wasn't getting 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.880 any better. I wasn't improving in terms of what I 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.680 could do physically, And I went and got X rays 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.000 and realized that the bone was actually further apart than 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:49.960 it had been post surgery, And went and got it 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:54.120 realigned with a specialist and waited, and that was that 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:54.640 was the key. 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:55.920 Just wait, do you have a Do you have a 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:57.919 different pain threshold to normal humans? 0:01:57.920 --> 0:01:58.880 Have you ever had it tested? 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:03.080 No, but it's it's definitely been noted by by others 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.080 and friends and things, And well, it's funny. 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:09.480 I watched till the wheels come off, and I was 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.800 looking at the spells that you were taking or what 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:12.480 do you see? 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.720 I don't know there's right terminology because I'm not spell right. 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.560 Spell slams? Sure, all right? 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.799 Or falls or maybe all our peas like I see 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:22.320 some of the hurt. 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.160 You say bail. If you see bail, then that's more intentional. 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.360 And what you were seeing there was definitely no one 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:29.200 was intentional. 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.799 Yeah, they were like, but even from the FOA when 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:36.880 you were a little kid, like everything just like slamming 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:37.680 into this. 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:39.800 Thing over and over and over again, you get immune 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:40.160 to it. 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:41.320 Is that it's not immune. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.600 It's more that there's an acceptance that comes with it, right, 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:48.399 that I need to endure this for the sake of progression, 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.680 and so that that has always been my attitude, and 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.800 so I didn't I didn't mind it so much. Sometimes 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.680 it's worse than others, but not that often. I mean, 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:59.679 there's there's sort of this I guess it's more like 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:02.560 when you you choose a life of skateboarding, there's sort 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.079 of a level of pain that you know there's always 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:07.000 going to be low lying. 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:11.320 Like all the time. But see, I envy you very much. 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.200 Not about the money and drugs and famous I've had 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:15.120 enough of that. 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:18.120 But but you knew your thing and you have your thing. 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:20.240 It's not like it was ever in any question because 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.840 you said right there you chose a life of skateboarding, 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:25.480 or you didn't say you chose it, but you used 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:26.080 that expression. 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:27.880 Do you think you chose you? 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.040 Because like your dad at that point as well, because 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:32.520 your dad was heavily involved in there. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:34.840 Yeah, that's a good question. I would say that I 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.600 chose a life of skateboarding early on, even when it 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.240 was not there was no path to success because no 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.960 one had carved that path yet, right, But I love 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.960 what it provided me, So I just loved skating. But 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.160 I would say later on there was a sense of 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.360 skateboarding chose me in that suddenly people were asking me 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:54.960 to sort of be the spokesperson. 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.560 Yeah, and I was. 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.320 Willing to do it, but it wasn't what I aspire to. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.480 What did you expire to at the beginning? 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:03.880 Just keep learning new tricks? 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:05.000 It was. 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:05.960 It was pretty simple. 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.440 But it's a funny thing though, because I mean, like 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.320 you're one of those people that's really difficult to have 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.520 a conversation with. It's recorded not because you're difficult, but 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.680 because the people that are into your thing are so 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.400 messianic about your thing that if I say the wrong 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.159 word instead of spill, I say or slam, I say 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.560 spill or like, people get fucking crazy about it. 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.919 And it's kind of say less now than before I 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:30.880 understand what you're saying. 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:32.040 Yea, But it was funny. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.800 Watched it because I thought that the documentary about you 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:37.320 and a lot of your contemporaries. 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:38.960 Till the wheels come off, that's what it's called. 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:40.840 Right till the wheels fall off, till wiels fall off? 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:42.640 Right seesad come off fall off. 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.360 I've seen that actually in Prince. Yeah, don't worry about that. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:50.159 So, but I was watching it and because I'm not, like, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.320 I'm not in that world. I mean I know of it, 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.279 but I'm not inside it. And the athleticism and the 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:59.320 grace and the style and the craziness of all of that. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.560 What you do is obvious. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.520 To anyone, even a casual glance. But what I wasn't 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:10.279 expecting to see is first of all, the development of 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.400 the world. I mean, like you were, that's like being 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.159 around at the start of golf or something. 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.680 In a lot of ways. And then you, and I. 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:23.119 Think mulleins as well, a very a very strong sense 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.240 of I don't really think it's about the board, and 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.520 it hasn't been about the board for a long time. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.120 I feel like it's it's something else. It's like a 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.640 search for grace. It's like the way guys climb mountains 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:34.200 or something. 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:35.680 Yeah, I would agree with you there. 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.400 I think that, especially with Rodney and I, we were 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:45.520 so hyper focused on new moves, new tricks, and we 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.640 didn't know what the goal of that was. It just 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.520 fed us. So we would we learned new chick and 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:51.640 then move on to the next one, move on to 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:53.320 the next one. And we didn't really think about that 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:55.400 we were creating any sort of movement. 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:57.240 We just had to do it. 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.280 And then as we got older, that became you know, 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.280 there's an argument that became more of a curse than 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:07.360 a blessing because we keep chasing it to our detriment. 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.279 Where even Rodney, I mean you see him now, Like, 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:12.600 let's put it this way. Rodney walks through an airport 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.520 and people come up with courtesy carts, So do you 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:17.320 need a ride? 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:17.880 Really? 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:19.520 Yeah, that's the truth. 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.159 Do you know what I mean? Like people do that 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.599 to me too. But skap Forard. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:28.560 Because he walks with with such pain, right, but he 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.560 will skate for three to four hours every single night 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:33.680 on his own. 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.719 That's interesting. So he's more comfortable skating than walking. 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.720 There, Absolutely, yeah, you that way too. 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:43.680 Still, I would say before I got hurt, yes, now 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:47.520 I definitely have a little more hesitation in my skating 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:48.640 because I should. 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.040 I'm still on the healing path. 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:53.600 But yeah, also, like everybody else, you get older. 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.240 You get older, sure, but I feel like I think 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:00.000 what wasn't really talked about in that documentary because it's 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.240 nuanced and it's more my personal thing is that my 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.960 style has changed quite a bit in the last ten 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:10.560 years in that I'm more focused on low impact skating. 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.040 And I know what you saw there was pretty crazy 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.400 and I did some crazy stuff and whatever, but really 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:19.320 my focus, especially with tricks, has been more technical, and 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:23.200 so it's more like board maneuvering and stuff that just 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.120 is on the top of the ramp as opposed to 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:25.880 ten feet above it. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:26.640 Right. 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:28.920 So it's funny because I don't you can see the 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.800 athlanticism of it, but I don't understand how it's done. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.360 It's like you if I watch someone play golf, it 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.160 swim even you know what I mean. It's like, I 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.560 know how it's done, but like I've watched what you 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.440 do and what Mullins does and what all these other 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.160 guys do. I'm like, I don't even know where you 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.840 start with that, you know, I mean, but you've you've 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.880 created I mean, you personally as well with the foundation, 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.240 have moved into this idea, like expanded it. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.160 There's how many parks have you put together now? 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.640 Uh, well, we've helped a fund over seven hundred wow, 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.440 over the last twenty years. And I mean that's my 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:07.560 proudest work. And that stems from my experience at the 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.160 skate park as a kid, because I got very lucky 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.640 in that one of the last parks in the US 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.400 happened to be in San Diego, pretty close to where 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.840 I lived. And that was never lost on me that 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:20.520 I had that place to go and I had that 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.400 sense of community and I had that support group there. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:25.880 I mean, yes, it was my training ground, but it 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:27.520 was also just this place of belonging. 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:28.800 It was like where the kids went. 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.080 It was I mean it was you found me there 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.520 at all hours until they closed when school was out. 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.880 But when I had a sense of success in a 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.640 way to sort of help I don't know that the 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.199 industry or the skaters. That was my first go to 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.199 was I want to provide more skate parks because all 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.839 these kids feel disenfranchised. They love skating and they're told 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.760 not to do it because it's on public property or. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.680 A pyro property and it's nusance in it and whatever else. 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:59.760 But it's like, but they found something it speaks to them, 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:01.640 and that I think is a healthy outlet. 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.200 What do you think it would have hammed to you 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.160 if if you hadn't found skating or it hadn't found you. 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.040 I think I would have just been doing something really 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.920 tech oriented because I was really fascinated with technology also 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.760 my teenage years and I mean still to this day. 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.000 But I was an early adopter, like I had one 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.760 of the first nonlinear video editing systems, and. 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.839 Really I did because I thought, I guess the answer 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.440 I was kind of expected was that you would have 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.839 been lost without it, But it doesn't. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:37.120 See, I probably wouldn't have felt as rich for sure, 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:41.640 that I wouldn't have felt as validated or or felt 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:45.720 like there was something that I could do that really 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:50.120 fed what I needed in terms of creativity wise, right, 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.920 And so maybe doing video projects or something would have 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.040 touched on that a bit, but I don't think it 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:56.959 would have provided the same. 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.120 It's an interesting form of creativity as well, doing you know, 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.439 creating tricks on a board. I mean it's like painting 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.080 with something that nobody's painted with until. 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:07.800 Orteen seventy or something. 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.400 Or did you do you think anyone will appreciate it. 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.200 Well, yeah, I think people do. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.200 But I just say, what back then, especially with the creation, 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.080 like with Rodney and I, when we were doing all 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.000 these tricks, it was kind of considered a circus act. 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.560 Well, it's got a better that in it, you know. 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.120 I mean when you guys was doing the tours with 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.280 the you know, standing up in the arena with the 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.040 you know, the ramps and the motorbikes, and that's a 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:32.920 little bit of a travel in circus, isn't it a 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:33.400 little bit. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:34.240 Of for sure? Yeah? 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:34.800 Absolutely. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:38.439 But what I'm saying is is in our world, skating 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.400 was a pretty small community. We were the outcast of 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.880 that community because all we cared about was tricks. Everyone 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:48.120 else cared about right style and how much air they get. 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.839 And so Rodney and I were these outcasts, like we 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.199 were outcasts in an outcast activity, and so we didn't 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:56.920 think there was any sort of there would be any 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:58.680 accolades in that. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:00.800 We just love doing it, do you know. 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.040 For a while I worked with Mick Jagger on writing 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:08.160 a screenplay that never happened. But because I was doing it, 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:09.920 I was on tour with the Rolling Stones for a 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.800 while and I got to see up close how the 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:17.120 rolling stones work. And I was watching Keith Richards, who 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.360 you remind me of a little bit, because he would 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.480 be quite happy if he was playing that guitar in 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:26.400 a shitty blues band in a pub in London, Fine, 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.320 doesn't matter. Or if he's playing the enormo dome in 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.559 San Diego, doesn't fucking matter. It's playing the guitar that cats. 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.640 Yeah. And is that the same for you on the board? 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.920 Yeah, So even when when you were doing the like 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.480 when things were nutty, when you're like you have your 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.000 own playing and you you know, like the crowds are 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.120 crazy and the money's nuts and stuff like that, was 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:48.640 it all still focused on the board. 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.760 Is that what kept you out of the druggy drinking one? 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:52.040 Yeah? 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:53.160 Yeah, I believe so. 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:53.840 Yeah. 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.160 I mean I definitely had my own vices and distractions 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:01.920 through the crazy years, but always the priority was skating. 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.800 And I think that even in my youth, when in 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.480 the eighties when we thought we were having unparalleled success 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.120 and we were doing all, you know, we were doing 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.240 some TV stuff and movie stuff, I was always really 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:17.400 focused on the skating because I saw my peers, some 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.040 of them get distracted and get caught up in the 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.320 hype and and get hooked on drugs, right, and then 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.160 they lost their abilities. And it was like that was 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:29.120 my very first example, like, don't don't go to that, Right, 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:30.240 That's what I thought. 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.200 I mean, it's not something you can do when you're high. 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.000 Is get on a board or is it? 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:37.480 I don't know, maybe for a certain amount of time. 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.240 Right, did you ever like, do you ever give demonstrations 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.079 you ever you know, get on the board and do 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:43.959 crazy shit when you were messed up? 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:45.439 No? I think, my. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:47.720 It's funny. 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:51.120 I remember the skate PARKY grew up at. People would 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:52.960 smoke weed in the parking lot. Not everyone, but some. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:56.360 Oh come on, everybody, it's California, the whole states. 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.880 Well I was pretty young too, so I remember one 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:00.600 day I was like, Oh, I'm gonna go join the crew, 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.520 and then I came back to skate and I just 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.480 couldn't get it together. I couldn't, you know, Everything was 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.360 my timing was off. I kept almost almost we call 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.360 hanging out, which means like locking up on the coping 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.760 where your board sticks, right, And I just thought, Okay, 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:16.800 I can't, I can't do that. That doesn't work for me, 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.000 and drinking is just out of the question, right, and 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:20.600 you're skating. 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:22.199 So I think that was I think I'm beginning to 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:26.640 figure out why I never get into skateboard. But it's 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.520 kind of interesting though, because it is that is a 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.560 real kind of positive thing. If you're talking about all 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:33.720 these skate parts for kids, if you can't do it 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:37.800 properly when you're twisted on booze and elk or in drugs, right, 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.120 you're kind of helping people stay away from it a 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:41.520 little bit. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.199 I mean, I for sure there is the contingent that 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.920 they equate partying with, of course skateboarding, and they do it, 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.400 and honestly it's probably more of a short lived thing, 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.920 but that's their life. I can't I'm not trying to 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.680 have some just say no campaign skate parts wore that. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.400 It's more that we want to provide them outlet. 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.120 Yeah, because when you started, it was basically it was 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.880 just dried out swimming pools, right, that was at the beginning. 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.000 Yeah, I got in at the tail end of that. 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.120 So the Dogtown and Z Boys, I knew of that 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.440 crew as I started, but they were already as far 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.160 as I was concerned, much older. 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:17.920 Well as the evolution of it, if you can take 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:19.680 me through it a little bit. So that dog Town 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:21.880 was is that the very beginning. 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.760 The beginning has has there's how it began. 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:29.040 But basically, the first skateboard, it is said, was a 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.120 roller skate that was dismantled the trucks and wheels were 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.400 nailed onto a two by four, right, and that was 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:39.640 a skateboard. And then a lot of the Southern California 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:44.160 people took that as that surfing on a sidewalk, right, 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:47.640 So then they started developing actually shaped boards out of 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:51.200 fiberglass and wood like surfboards were made, right, And then 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:55.240 they were trying to emulate surfing. Once the big drought 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.880 hit in the seventies in southern California, all these swimming 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.120 pools were dry, and the surfers saw that, oh, that 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.840 looks like a wave, and that's how we. 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.000 How it got to Do you surf? Do? I do? 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:09.720 Yeah? But not as actively. 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.160 And the reason I got into skateboarding because my older 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.320 brother was a hardcore surfer, and so he got into 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.480 skateboarding by default, because that was if you lived in 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.320 Southern California, you surfed in the seventies, you started skating 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.080 and that's how I got my first skateboard. Was his 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:23.720 hand me down. 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:28.560 Oh wow, he must be very happy for you. 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.560 He's very happy that he can school me in surfing. 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:37.800 Still, that's what he's happy about. 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.560 Well, it's funny that you're you're a lot younger than 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:45.920 your nearest sibling, right. 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.240 Yeah, he's thirteen years older than me. 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:47.560 Right. 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.920 My son, my youngest son, is nine and a half 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.640 years younger than his older brother. And I was watching 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.200 the energy of you as a young Kiad. It reminded 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.560 me very much like my own son is very like that, 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.760 like a kind of sixty pound psychopath. Really, I mean 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.040 just like And I had one of those two. Yeah, 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.760 they're kind of amazing. I think there's something to do 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.440 with being light as well. See I was a husky 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.800 little kid. Yeah, so if I fail, it really hard. Right, 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:16.760 if you were sixty pounds and you fall, I think 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:17.560 it hurts less. 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.080 Maybe, But I think the light and fearless is a 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:21.960 scary combination. 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:23.280 Yeah, that's definitely I had. 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.760 I had one of the We have several children between 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.600 my wife and I, but there was one that was 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.520 we called him a pixie. Yeah, but he would try anything, 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.000 but almost to the point where he had no sense 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:33.680 of mortality. 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:35.640 Yeah, well kids are kind of like that a little bit. 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:37.600 Yeah, but he was off, he was on a different 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:38.920 a little bit. 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.920 Do you think that you were more cautious like as 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.880 a parent because you had gone through all of those 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.160 injuries and that the creation of. 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:48.640 That world, as that world is forming. 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.760 I would say that I probably leaned more towards the 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.360 other side of it in my early years of parenting 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.400 because I was young. I was I was twenty four 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.920 when my son was more and and I was just 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.400 joining him doing stuff and getting him into skateboarding, and 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.679 you know, he's going down big ramps and I'm pushing 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:07.720 him into waves, and it was just more like, oh, 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.320 I have this friend to do the stuff with. And 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.840 it wasn't. I was trying to keep him safe as well. 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.560 But I did think that he had a pretty good 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.280 sense of his limitations, right, and I was thankful for that. 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.199 It wasn't until I had other kids that I realized, oh, 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.680 they don't all have that Alva gene. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:23.560 Yeah. 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.159 It's funny that when you become a parent, and just 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.040 as you get older as well, because I was different. 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:29.680 From my older boy than I was with the younger one. 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:31.480 But they are different too. They are. 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.760 Yes, there's a lot of nurture and nature. 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.080 Yeah, what do you think, like because your dad was 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.520 very supportive to you, at least at least I took 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.920 that for the documentary that you and your dad were 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.880 closed and he was very supportive. But the world was forming. 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:48.640 The competitive Is it competitive? I guess it's competitive, yeah, 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.600 competitive skateboarding. But when I looked at that, the thing 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.440 when you first got to do the nine hundred, right 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:58.440 or when you finally cracked how many times did you. 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:00.639 Do that that day? That ex game to get to that? 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.280 Now that I think that day was eleven or twelve 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.040 or something. But it's funny that people focused in on 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.199 that because there were plenty of other days where I 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:11.600 tried it dozens of. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:13.640 Times, right, but did you get it? Though? You didn't 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:13.919