1 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, how are you? Thank you for tuning into 2 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History. Several of us listening today will be familiar 3 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: with an area of the world known as Appalachia, the Appalachians, 4 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: Appalachian Mountains, right, I've got I've got some past there. Um. 5 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: And the thing that's interesting about it is, even if 6 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: you live in the US, odds are that you have 7 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: not been there because it's it's quite a rural area, 8 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: but it's where today's story takes place. My name is Ben, 9 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: my name is nel Ben. Have you did you know 10 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: that if if you hike certain parts of the Appalachian Trail, 11 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: you get little rings on your walking stick or there's 12 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: some kind of merit badge you're supposed to get where 13 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: you can show on equivocally that you have hiked the 14 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: entire Appalachian Trail. I have. I have exactly zero of those. 15 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: I also well have hiked parts of the trail. I 16 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: have not hiked the entire thing. It's a heck of 17 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: a commitment, but it's a noble thing to do, Almost 18 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: as noble as being the producer on shows like Ridiculous History, 19 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: which reminds me should shout out our super producer, Casey 20 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: peg group. So, no, you have never hiked the trail, 21 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: but you've been to the Appalachians. Yeah, I have, and 22 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: I've I've been on parts of the trail. That's where 23 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: I found out about the medallion system, where it's these 24 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: little kind of curved metal pieces that indicate which parts 25 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: of the trail you successfully completed. And if you're like 26 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: a real ball or a real Appalachian trailhead, you have 27 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: a stick that's just like you know, covered in these things, 28 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: right right, just lousy with them. Well, one of the 29 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: most interesting thing about exploring this area of the world 30 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: is that you'll run into places where time seems to 31 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: have slowed down or things go at their own relatively 32 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: isolated pace. And in today's episode, we're going to explore 33 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: a tiny community that is, in its own way, very isolated. 34 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: It's called Vulcan in the western edge of West Virginia. 35 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: That's about as west as it gets, my friend, right, Okay, 36 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: that's that's actually not entirely true, but it's as west 37 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: as it gets in West Virginia. Right, it's a Virginia wise, 38 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: this is the west ist. Vulcan. West Virginia is an 39 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: interesting case. It's located along the Tug Fork, which is uh, 40 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: you know, part of the Tug River, and this is 41 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: often called one of the us is most storied waterways. 42 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: Vulcan is named after you know, spoiler alert, the god 43 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: of fire and Roman athology, Vulcan, and this is something 44 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: we had talked about off air. Vulcan makes an appearance 45 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: in a fantastic novel and set of TV adaptations called 46 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: American Gods by Neil Gaiman. You saw that, right, I 47 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: did a season two out yet or it's about to 48 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: come out. Yeah, um, I'm I'm excited. That's one of 49 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: those shows where I don't know about everybody else, but 50 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: I made the decision a while back that if I 51 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: really enjoy a show, I want to wait until the 52 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 1: entire season is out before watching it because Netflix ruined me. Man. 53 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: I just I can't watch something and wait for a 54 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: week and hope it shows up next week. It just 55 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: it triggers all kinds of you know, abandonment issues and patients. 56 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you, I actually kind of I 57 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: like it in a different way. I like being with 58 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: the band, but I also like the old school cliffhanger 59 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: having to wait a week mentality of traditional television release. 60 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: I'll do that with maybe Game of Thrones. Game of 61 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: Thrones did it with True Detective, you know, the ones 62 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: that are edge of your cedars. I halfway did it 63 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: with True Detective Season three. Watched the first four episodes 64 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: and I said, oh wait, then you took a couple 65 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: of weeks off and then you had some little binge 66 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: abole episodes for you. Yep. In the case of Vulcan, 67 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,119 Speaker 1: West Virginia, we find a town that is very much 68 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: isolated by geography more so than say culture. Right, we 69 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: could we talk a little bit about where Vulcan is. 70 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: We said, it's it's in this very southwestern corner of 71 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: West Virginia. But what's it around, Well, it's I mean, 72 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: it's kind of its own, weird little island in some ways, 73 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: and that there's no connection to the surrounding um areas 74 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: except through a little footbridge at the Norfolk and Western 75 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: Railway runs through the middle of the town um and 76 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: that separates the two sides of the town um from 77 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: one being low caated on the river bank. And then 78 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: there are ones that are up more inland on a 79 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: hill um that is very near to a cemetery called 80 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: Vulcan Hill. Uh. And here's the thing. I mean, even 81 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: to get out of the city, out of this little hamlet, 82 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: you would have to sometimes cross underneath parked railway cars. 83 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: Um kids, school kids had to catch the bus on 84 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: the Kentucky side in order to get there. They had 85 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: to go to some pretty perilous ends to to catch 86 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: the bus. And some kids have even been injured. And 87 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: I believe there was a case of a child losing 88 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: a leg um in such a situation. Yeah, yeah, it's 89 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: absolutely true. So we're looking at mountains, rivers, terrain that 90 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: is very difficult to traverse, so much so that had 91 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: coal not been discovered in the general vicinity here, you 92 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: could make a fairly strong argument that no one would 93 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: be living there at all. You know, maybe maybe some 94 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: guy decades and decades ago would have hit a moonshine 95 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: still out there, but even that would be um pretty arduous. 96 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: It's still be a lot of work to get there. However, 97 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: when coal was discovered in this area the very beginning 98 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: of the twentieth century, a mining camp was constructed and 99 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: this would later grow into what we recognize as Vulcan 100 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: West Virginia. But but the the thing is when the 101 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: mining camp was first constructed, when coal was first discovered there, 102 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: the miners who lived in the area had to row 103 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: across the river every day just to go to work, 104 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: that's right. And it wasn't until that mining company created 105 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: this very narrow wooden footbridge, um that folks could actually 106 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: get in and out of town without having to get wet. Um. 107 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: So the thing I was talking about with the kids 108 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: and the railway cars, that was a little bit there. Yeah, yeah, 109 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: that was a little bit later. But it's an excellent 110 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: example of the importance of this bridge and the problems 111 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: with this bridge. Picture this, if we're going to do 112 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: a rod Sterling intro picture this town. There's one way in, 113 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: there's one way out, and that's when the bridge is working, 114 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: drives straight into the Vulcan zone. So so the I'm 115 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: freestyling here. So over the years, the people who lived 116 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: in this community, realizing the key nature of this bridge, 117 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: they took great care to maintain it. And when automobiles arrived, 118 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: when they became a thing in this part of the world, 119 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: the people of Vulcan took upon themselves to expand this 120 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: bridge so that they could drive these vehicles across However, 121 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: to your point, Knell, when we say expanding, we mean 122 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: that they just bear made it big enough for one 123 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: car to drive across. Yeah, and this was d I 124 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: y ingenuity at his finest, because they didn't have somebody 125 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: swooping in to help them with infrastructure. It was literally 126 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: an effort of the townspeople to solve a problem they 127 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: needed solved. And to cross that bridge, a swinging footbridge 128 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: on a car. Good lord, that sounds like the most 129 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: terrifying experience ever of all time. No, no, thank you, 130 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: sir or madam. The way that The New York Times 131 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: described this bridge in an article on December sixteenth, ninety 132 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: eight by an author named Gregory Jeans, was that there 133 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: was no more than a quote thumb length margin for 134 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,599 Speaker 1: error on either side. Have you ever driven around in 135 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: the mountains snow? Yeah, with the crazy switchbacks and like 136 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: where you're right off the edge of the cliff, like 137 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: he were so close, especially when you can't see what's 138 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: in front of you and you were just trusting that 139 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: around that that turn, You're not just gonna plummet to 140 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: your death. Oh and you know what this makes me? 141 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: Remember in we did an epic road rally car trip. Casey, 142 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: you were there and know you were there, and I 143 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: was there as well as my good friends Scott Benjamin. 144 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: We had to drive through parts of West Virginia that 145 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: were exactly like the switchbacks and all. That's where that's 146 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: where my main memories of it come from. Is that 147 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: very sketchy leg of that trip. And Scott. I don't 148 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: know if you know this about Scott, folks, but he 149 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: is a bit of a speed demon. He's got a 150 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: lead foot. Yeah, he was not. He was taking those 151 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: curbs like Steve McQueen and leaving us kind of clutched, 152 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: at least being personally clutching my my pearls. That's that's 153 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: why I pressured him to switch switch to the wheel 154 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: and ride Shotgun for a while and let me drive. 155 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: But if you've if you've ever been not just in 156 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: the Appalachian area, but if you've ever been in a 157 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: mountainous area in general in the car, you know what 158 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: we're talking about. These very narrow roads and lanes that 159 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: hug the side of the incline with maybe maybe some 160 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: wooden railing, maybe nothing, uh, And it can be very 161 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: disconcerting if you're a person who doesn't drive there every 162 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 1: day because people who drive there every day this is 163 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: a normal experience to them, So they think that they'll 164 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: think that you are driving like um, you know, like 165 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: an like an elderly person, right whereas we'll think they're 166 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: driving like lunatics. This is one of those bridges, but 167 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: it's not just in the mountainous area. It's over water, 168 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: there's not much margin for error. And then throughout the 169 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: decades right there, they're taking care of this bridge. It's 170 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: an a key artery of the town. But as we know, 171 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: as recent history is shown, coal mining doesn't last forever. 172 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: Toward the nineteen sixties or so, the coal resources begin 173 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: to dry up and the town feels like it's entering 174 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 1: an economic decline. It feels like there's trouble. But they 175 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: still have the bridge, at least that is until July nineteen. Yeah, 176 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: that's when, you know, despite their best efforts to keep 177 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: it up. I mean, they're not professional bridge caretakers, and 178 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, understandably they've got work to do down in 179 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: those other dangerous part of town being the mines um. 180 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: So the bridge collapses at crumbles and it leaves them 181 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: pretty much for all intended purposes in an automobile based 182 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: society at this point, cut off from the outside world. Yeah, 183 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: and in desperate need of some assistance. So even though 184 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: things had never been particularly opulent in the town of Vulcan, 185 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: West Virginia, now things seemed increasingly desperate. One person in 186 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: the town described it as living at the tail end 187 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: of nothing. They knew that this situation was unsustainable. The 188 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: town depended upon this bridge. Around the time of the 189 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: bridge collapse, a woman named Nelly Holly had ordered a 190 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: living room sweep from up state further up in West Virginia, 191 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: and the truck arrived with the furniture, but the driver 192 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: refused to bring the goods to the Holly household because 193 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: the driver learned that the only road in the Vulcan 194 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: was this How does it described a ribbon of gravel 195 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: and it wasn't even public property right now, it belonged 196 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: to the railway. Says it was more of it more 197 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: or less an access road, Uh, not intended for this 198 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: kind of use, and kind of in a similar situation 199 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: we were talking about, and that it was very narrow, 200 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: very dangerous, and you'd be putting yourself at risk, and 201 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: especially since it it would technically be trespassing on private property. 202 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: And so now we introduce you to a fascinating character, 203 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: one John Robinette, who had lived in the area for 204 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: his entire life. He had worked as a notary, public, 205 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: a car mechanic, a carnival barker. That's something that happens 206 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: in a lot of small towns. There will be people 207 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: who have multiple different types of occupation depending upon the 208 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: service needed at any given day. You know, So the 209 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: person who runs the grocery store might also be the 210 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: person who hosts the annual harvest festival or something. Right, 211 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: the person who's the dentist might also be the youth pastor. Yeah, 212 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: sort of the way that football coaches that often teach 213 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: history in high school, right, oddly enough, or social studies, 214 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: that's the other one. So this guy, John Robinette, he 215 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: is so sad that Miss Holly is not getting her 216 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: living room. Sweet it moves him on an emotional level, 217 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: and he says, so I up and appointed myself mayor 218 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: and set out to get us a bridge because the 219 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: bridge had obviously collapsed. Miss Holly was seventy four years old. 220 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: She had to hire herself a boy to go fetch 221 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: a few sticks of furniture and haul it back against 222 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: the law on railroad property private property. And so he 223 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: made it his mission as self appointed mayor to UH 224 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: to prosecute for the construction of this new bridge and 225 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: talked to regional politicians, area politicians. He eventually gets as 226 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: far as speaking to the office of former Governor Arch Moore. However, 227 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: it's a close but no cigar situation, a close but 228 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: no bridge situation, and it's for a little bit of contact. 229 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: This article from the New York Times that you can 230 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: find online is from nineteen seventy eight, so this is 231 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: a very contemporary account of this problem. So what happens 232 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: is Phillis Blankenship, who ran the sixteen post office box 233 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: post office in vulcan Um, recounts the story like this. 234 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: He the person who appointed himself mayor Mr Robinette, got 235 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: on the phone, got on the horn with the governor 236 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: and demanded bridge be builts, demanded satisfaction um and close 237 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: but no cigar. So you know what's the obvious next step. 238 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: He's been turned down by the government of his own city, abandoned, 239 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: left in the cold. You know they're doing this this 240 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: town based around this very dangerous occupation contributing to the 241 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: the economy of the state. And the governor says, no, 242 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: thank you, You are forgotten. You were marooned and forgotten. 243 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: So Mr Robinette comes up with what I would say 244 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: is one of the most brilliant uses of like pr blackmail. 245 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: Almost yeah, yeah, So it's uh, nineteen seventies six. They've 246 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: just been stonewalled every time, every time they ask for 247 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,119 Speaker 1: a little bit of help. Again, the bridge that collapsed 248 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: was the only legal way in and out of the town. 249 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: People were having to drive illegally on this this flimsy 250 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: ribbon of gravel that the train company owned. Uh. They 251 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: every time they asked, they were told there was no money. 252 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: There's no money available to spend on the bridge, according 253 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: to reports from the West Virginia Gazette. So this is 254 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: what Robinette does. Mayor Robinette writes to not the local paper, 255 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: he's already done that, Not the New York Times, any 256 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: paper of note. Instead, he writes directly to the U. S. 257 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: S R. The Soviet Union, and he says, Hi, I'm 258 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: the mayor of Vulcan, West Virginia, a small town here 259 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: in the United States, and we are our town is 260 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: gonna die if we don't get this bridge of the 261 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: state is not gonna fund us. And in my in 262 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: my opinion, dear Russians, I don't think Uncle Sam cares 263 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: one whit about us. He sends this letter to the 264 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: Soviet embassy in Washington, d C. And at first, you know, 265 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: at first it's like, well, is this a joke? Is 266 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: this just a prank, a little bit of trolling, And 267 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: the Soviet government doesn't immediately answer until that is Robinette 268 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: is contacted directly by a journalist named Iona and Dronov, 269 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: Soviet reporter who wants to hear this story in person. 270 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: So in UM December of n seven, this reporter Andronov 271 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: touches down in vulcan and starts making the rounds, getting 272 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: the scoop, pounding the pavement for the gravel, I guess 273 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: and uh, asking questions of the residents, and broadcasting it 274 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: to the rest of the world. Right right, So Andronov 275 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: works for UM publication in Moscow called Litta Naval Gazeta. 276 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: And this is solid gold, platinum level ammunition for the 277 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: propaganda war that's going on between the uss Are and 278 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: the US. The problem is from Uncle Sam's side that 279 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: US papers also knew a good headline when they see it, 280 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: and the US based publications pick it up as well, 281 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: so in a way they are disseminating Russian propaganda for 282 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: the U. S. S R. The Spokane Daily Chronicle writes 283 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: about this in seventy seven with the following quote, Soviet 284 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: officials well am used today by reports at the small 285 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: town of Voltan, West Virginia, has appealed to the Kremlin 286 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: for four and eight. The town, with a population of 287 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: two ask the Sovia government full financial help to build 288 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: a bridge after the town was turned down by the U. S. 289 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: And West Virginia governments. It's crazy that newsman still talked 290 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: like them in the late seventies, especially since it was 291 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: a printed paper not a radio announcement. Well, you know, 292 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: sometimes they have to dictate, you know. So this is 293 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: this is also during the U not the height of 294 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: the Red Scare communist panic, but this is still a 295 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: time and place where people accuse you of being a 296 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: communist as an insult, or ask you if you were 297 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: a card carrying communist. Someone did ask in and oath 298 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: and he said yes, actually, yeah, that's sort of our thing. 299 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. It got so far as to for their 300 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: being rumors circulating in the community that there would be 301 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: bomb attacks on any bridge that was built with communist cash, 302 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: so you know, it really created a hubbub and that 303 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: those headlines really were disseminated. Because this is quite a 304 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: juicy story. So of course, all of a sudden, the 305 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: good old us of a as we we don't like, 306 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: we don't like to be made fun of, we don't 307 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: like to be made to seem cheap, even though we 308 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: we kind of are a lot of the time, Um 309 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: acquiesced and was like, okay, okay, we can do this. 310 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: We can we can muster the money that we need 311 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: now that you've put our nose to the fire. Will 312 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: give you one point three million and we'll get you 313 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: your little bridge. Because here's the thing, though, it's like 314 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: it was really not the families that stayed behind to 315 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: the coal industry crumbled. We're kind of these holdouts. They 316 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: didn't have anyhere else to go, They couldn't afford to 317 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: move perhaps, and they you know, this was their home. 318 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: And it was only like in the dozens of families 319 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: that lived in this very small area, right, it was 320 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: less than it was less than a hundred families, maybe 321 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: maybe fifty families. But this is okay, this is where 322 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: the story divides. This is where there are two different 323 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: versions of the story, two different narratives that persist in 324 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: the modern day. So, yes, the West Virginian government does 325 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: agree to build this bridge, or at least provide the 326 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: funds to build a bridge. But they do it like 327 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: within hours after and the nov actually gets into Vulcan. 328 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: They do it so quickly, So let's let's kick through 329 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: two different versions of this story. As The New York 330 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: Times puts it, whether by coincidence or design, the state 331 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: of West Virginia announced on the same day of Andrewnova's 332 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: visit that Vulcan would get this bridge. They like the 333 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: same day he was there, he announced. I wonder if 334 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: that was because of some intelligence gathering maybe. Yeah. So 335 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: the papers have been the US papers and the Moscow papers. Uh, 336 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: we're we're aware of this too, And that means certainly 337 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: the intelligence apparatus was also Coakinson. But from the official 338 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 1: US government perspective, the explanation of this was West Virginia's 339 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: explanation is that they just they were just in the 340 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: approval process for months and months. It just takes a 341 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: long time to approve that much money and the West 342 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: Virginian government. But to the people of Vulcan and if 343 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: we're being honest, to most of the people reading this 344 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: story from the outside, it seemed like they only reacted 345 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: this way because it was an international embarrassment because Mayor 346 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: John Robinette had just brought a Russian person down there, 347 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: and he said Also Robinette, for his part, said he 348 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: doesn't he doesn't care where the money comes from. He 349 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: just wants the bridge built. He just wants this Holly 350 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: to get her living room sweet with some dignity. You 351 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: really tie the room together. It was really important for 352 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: her to have that living room suite. But here's the thing. 353 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: I mean it. It just goes to show how sometimes 354 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: a little weaponized pr move is exactly what it takes 355 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: to get those in power to act. It's never doing 356 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: the right thing, or often not. It's much more about 357 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: holding their feet of the fire and making them fear 358 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: the potential of looking foolish. Right, And in this case 359 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: it worked. Two years later, two years after this hubbub 360 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: and brew haha, on July, the bridge opened. It cost 361 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: a little over one million dollars and the price was 362 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: ultimately split between the governments of West Virginia and Kentucky. 363 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: The residents of Vulcans celebrated the opening of what they 364 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: called the bridge the Russians almost built, with an American 365 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: flag waving in the breeze and a cartoonishly large amount 366 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: of illegally imported vodka. Now here's the post script of 367 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: the story, or at least the fictionalized PostScript, the part 368 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: where the US government, in a blatant act of revenge, 369 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: poisons all the remaining UH inhabitants, you know, in their sleep, 370 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: because you don't mess with you know, you mess with 371 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: the bull, you get the horns. Yeah, I don't know 372 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: that's not true, but I would be pissed. Wouldn't you 373 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: be pissed if you were Uncle sam Um. It depends 374 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: on the different levels, you know, on a federal level, 375 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: probably would be more irritated with the Um with the 376 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: state government, like where I president at the time, I 377 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't be irritated with the residents of Vulcan I wouldn't 378 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: even be that irritated with the Soviets. I'd be irritated 379 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: with the governor of West Virginia. That's a good point, 380 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, what I mean, may it rolls downhill? My 381 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: friend really does. So this this is fascinating, and this 382 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: stunt was successful. We have to wonder whether something like 383 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: this could be replicated somewhere else in the world, and 384 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: we're working with our research associate, Christopher Haciotis. One thing 385 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: we found was that there are plenty of other examples 386 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: of foreign aid being given to the US or other 387 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: countries attempting to give foreign aid to the US, like famously, 388 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: the Messiah in Kenya after the tragedy of nine eleven 389 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: on September eleventh, two thousand and one, the attack on 390 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: the World Trade Center, the Massi donated cattle to the U. S. 391 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: Did you do you remember this story? Do not? Yeah? 392 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: It's heartwarmings. So the Massi live in a relatively rural 393 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: area of Kenya, but when they learned what happened in 394 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: New York on September eleven, they were they were so 395 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: horrified and sad. They felt like they needed to do something. 396 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: So they blessed fourteen cows and a pretty solemn ceremony 397 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: and then gave these cows to the Deputy Chief of 398 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: Mission at the U. S Embassy and Narrobi, a guy 399 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: named William brand Kick and they said, here, please bring 400 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: these two the people of New York and let them know, 401 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: you know that they are in our thoughts. And I thought, 402 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: I thought that was hard warming, because that's not propaganda 403 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,959 Speaker 1: at all. That's just being very human, you know what 404 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: I mean. So I want to bringing that example up 405 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: because I do want to point out that not every 406 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: foreign act of charity is a propaganda move. The Russian 407 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: one was, though, totally the record. Yeah, and now, um, 408 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: you can, I think, still visit this area through that 409 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: very bridge that was constructed, the bridge that the Russians 410 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: almost built, which is now a single um small two 411 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: lane road bridge over the Tug which is just a 412 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: single lane tunnel bridge that is covered in graffiti, which 413 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: I love that in it. It's almost like its own 414 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: little mini Berlin Wall. And this is where our story 415 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: ends today. However, never fear it's not the end of 416 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: our show. We will be back with more strange dare 417 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: we say, ridiculous tales of people, places and events throughout 418 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: this uh, the weird experiment that we call human civilization. 419 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: In the meantime, we want to hear from you, folks. 420 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: Do you have any stories from I in particular, will 421 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: be um personally fascinated by any stories of the Appalachian Mountains. 422 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: But regardless of where you live in the world, do 423 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: you have any stories like this, any very isolated towns 424 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: that had to use unorthodox means to for survival? Yeah, 425 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: any bridge related stories? And hey, if you're a New Yorker, 426 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: are you a bridge or a tunnel person? What do 427 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: you prefer? Let it really is cab drivers are often 428 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: after that, and I'm like, I don't know which which 429 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: everyone's best. I think part of it is, you know, 430 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: the cab drivers will present it in terms of what's 431 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: better given traffic patterns. But a lot of people do 432 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: have crippling fears of either going on bridges like my 433 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: my mother hates bridges, or they have a fear of 434 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: going into the ground, you know. So it's really is 435 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: a polite way to ask which terrifies you least. That's 436 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: a really interesting way of looking at it, And I 437 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: never thought of that, So let us know which terrifies 438 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: you most, or at least you can write to us 439 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: at Ridiculous at how stuff works dot com. You can 440 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: check out our social media presencies at Facebook, where you 441 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: can join our grew called the Ridiculous Historians, which we 442 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: find to be a lot of fun, and you can 443 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: follow us both personally. We have our very own instagrams. 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And occasionally some whole named Christopher, 452 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: which I appreciate because he appears so infrequently, his appearances 453 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: must really make an impact. I love, I love all 454 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: the guests that we have on our show, and you 455 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: know it gets weird, but always weird in a good way. 456 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: Thanks also to Alex Williams who composed our track, to 457 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: our research associate Gabe and no thanks to the people 458 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: of West Virginia. Really there are resilient people and they 459 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: know how to get stuff done. We'll see you next time, folks,