1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: At some point the things you're teaching and the things 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: you're doing should starts showing up in a game and 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:06,119 Speaker 1: almost scoreboard. 4 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:14,159 Speaker 2: I believe that Buck show walters see. I love the 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: chair too. 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 3: It looks like he's ready to dive in with us. 7 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 3: But good to see you. Great to have you back 8 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 3: on FT. I've heard you've got a nice, pretty microphone too, 9 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 3: so I'm excited to hear your voice. I am going 10 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 3: to try to get right to biz with you because 11 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 3: you did manage this player a few years ago. What 12 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 3: do you think about the story of Pete Alonzo? I mean, 13 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 3: last year he was fine, but not great compared to 14 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 3: previous seasons. He looks more like the guy from the 15 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 3: past now, and he went through some things in the offseason. 16 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 3: I don't know how many games you've caught and swings 17 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 3: you've caught of his. But what are you seeing? 18 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: Oh, I got Pete, p and Pete. You know, Pete's 19 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 1: a great collision hitter. You know, he's one of those 20 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: and I'm saying that with the great reverence. You know, 21 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: when he collides with the ball, great things happen. And 22 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: he's just so country strong. I'm pulling for him. I 23 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: mean what are you saying in reference to I know, 24 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: his contract is interesting with some of the language in 25 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: it that kind of protects, you know, him in case 26 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: he has a good year and Scott and what look 27 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: are you looking at it? 28 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean in the offseason, he's probably thinking he's 29 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: gonna sign for whatever four years, one hundred or something 30 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: like that, and the rest of the market wasn't valuing 31 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 3: him or teams were just not looking for a first 32 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: basement like that, which is mind blowing in its own right. 33 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 4: Right. 34 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 3: Obviously, you know, there's certain teams that are never going 35 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: to go down that route, like the Pirates, but even 36 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 3: the Washington Nationals, for example, they did end up getting 37 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 3: someone in Nathanielo. 38 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: So it's fine, it's the route they took. 39 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 3: But initially we go into the off season, we're like, damn, 40 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: we could come up with quite a few teams here 41 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 3: that could use a potential fifty home run bat. And 42 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 3: then he's really just talking to the Mets in a 43 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: little bit of the Blue Jays there. So he seemed, 44 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,639 Speaker 3: you know, unfazed now this year that he's he's already 45 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: gone through that free agencies and process and now he's 46 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: just going to do his thing. 47 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's there's some thoughts that I have 48 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: on one that you know his mind's at Eddie's a 49 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: little bit. 50 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: You know. 51 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: I've had this conversation with a number of players over 52 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: the year. He'd be walking around during batting practice and 53 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: they may ask advice about something, and I try to 54 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: stay out the contracts. I just said, just ask yourself 55 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: how much is enough? How much is enough? I mean, 56 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: are you happy here? Do you like your teammates? Are 57 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: you looking for a greener pastures? Because the grass is 58 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: not always greener. I'm sure both Eric and aj will 59 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: tell you. You know, when you find a place that your 60 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: family's comfortable and everything, there's something monetary for that. And 61 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: I also worry a little bit about a potential workstopage 62 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: in twenty six and what that might do where Pete's concerned. 63 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: That's what I would be thinking about. 64 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 5: Do you ever have those conversations like, let's say you 65 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 5: had that conversation. We're obviously doing hypotheticals and you're like, man, 66 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 5: you know, Pete says his wife really loves New York. 67 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 4: Do you because this is as. 68 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 5: A player, you always were leary of talking to anybody 69 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 5: manager front office and being like peegos, my wife really 70 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 5: loves it here, she is, you know, and he stops. 71 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 5: Do you take that conversation into the front office as 72 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 5: a manager? 73 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: Never? Never? 74 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 4: Do you know? Do you know what they do? Do 75 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 4: they ask you or do they ask you work? 76 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? 77 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: They try to, but I tell them that you know 78 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: that that trust you have to have with players. I 79 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: remember John Scope came up to me. I remember, like 80 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: yesterday behind second base during batting practice. So someone had 81 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: offered him a bunch of money up front, but he 82 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: got a really high percentage of everything he made the 83 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: rest of his career. And John, you know, was a 84 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: year or two or three years away from free agency, 85 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: and he said, Buck, what do you think about this? 86 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: And I said, well, if they're doing it with you, 87 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: they're doing it with five or six seven other young players. 88 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: And I guarantee you guys have probably heard about it. 89 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: And it was like seven eight million dollars up front, 90 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: but they got like maybe twenty thirty percent of what 91 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: they made the rest of their career. And instead of 92 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: saying no, you know, I knew John. 93 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: I'd been to. 94 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: John's Island and Cursell and I also, you know what 95 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: that might mean to him, and what would happen if 96 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: he got hurt two days later and never realized you 97 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: know what's seventy million dollars in cursale is you know 98 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: he's set in the rest of his life. So when 99 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: you get asked those questions by players, you want to 100 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: be real, real, honest and trusting and knowing that that 101 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 1: information is not going where. But that's also where agents 102 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: come into play, where you know Pete's wife and different 103 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: people are comfble there, but at some point you've got 104 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: to have somebody that's looking out for the big picture 105 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: and realizing, yeah, there's some emotions involved, but you also 106 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: realizing you're leaving this much on the table if you 107 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: don't go out. And agents also are trying to keep 108 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: the market at a certain place where if you get 109 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: an agent that signs real low, the big time agents 110 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: are not happy with him, but it affects them. 111 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 4: Agents, Buck, I could see you and agents being super tight, Soup, 112 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 4: you and I could see you and agents being like 113 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 4: like this. Buck, I could just see you two sitting 114 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 4: in a room together having some incredible conversations. 115 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 2: Some of them. 116 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: So there's some really good ones out there that really 117 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: have a good approach to it. 118 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: They really do. 119 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: And uh, and I'm glad some of our guys have 120 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: them so they don't take get taken advantage of. And 121 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: there are some that I would not want my son 122 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,679 Speaker 1: and Bob with or daughter. 123 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 4: Okay, so let me ask you this book The Braves. 124 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 4: The Braves fired their third base coach because they're not 125 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 4: scoring runs because Matt Toyosa Sopo was too aggressive sending 126 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 4: guys right. He was too aggressive waving him home even 127 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 4: though they can't score any runs. Now, the next question 128 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 4: is they brought back Freddy Freddy Gonzalz, who I love, 129 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 4: I played for for a year and a half. But 130 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 4: what's that like? As the manager, You're like, wait, I'm sticker. 131 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 4: We brought in the guy that I when he got fired, 132 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 4: I took over for Like, is that a little awkward 133 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 4: for the manager coach relationship? 134 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: I think with Freddie it's not. I think Freddie really 135 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: knowing Freddie Freddie. I had Freddie and was it eighty 136 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: eighty four and Fort Lardell in far Stately, I think 137 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: Freddie gets it when you've walked a mile in Snit's 138 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: shoes and you realize how important that trust is, and 139 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: I would be surprised if Snip just said, Okay, I 140 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: do whatever you want to with my coaching staff. Knowing him, 141 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure that he probably had some input on it. 142 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: But I want to tell you, once players see that 143 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: you're kind of letting them go take good coaches. That's 144 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I left the Yankees years ago. 145 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: They wanted to fire four of my coaches. And being 146 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: able to walk in that locker room and the players 147 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: look at you and go, wait a minute, you're giving 148 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: up good people left and right just to save yourself. 149 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: And I don't think that's the case with Snip. I 150 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: think he probably I don't know, that's the first I've 151 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: heard about it, but you know, he's got one of 152 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: those coaching staffs that you actually know some of the 153 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: people that are on them. 154 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 5: All right, There's been a couple firings managers of teams 155 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 5: that aren't doing well right or wrong. When you took 156 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 5: over in the middle of the year, did you feel like, 157 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 5: when a team is struggling, you have to set a 158 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 5: new standard. Because one of the managers didn't even say, 159 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 5: didn't even well, I'll get back to you. I'll get 160 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 5: back to you on what the new focus is. Because 161 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 5: if there's no new focus for the team that's struggling, 162 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 5: a team that's ten fifteen games under five hundred, what 163 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 5: on earth are you taking over for? Keep the other guy? 164 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: You know, Eric, that's a good point. 165 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: I only took over one club and it was in August, 166 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: so I had basically a month in three weeks, and 167 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: I kept my mouth shut and basically watched. And you know, 168 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: until you've been in a situation, you think you know 169 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: everything from afar, but until you've walked a mile, you know, 170 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: and the players in the city, every place is different. 171 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: So I didn't make a lot of bold statements. I 172 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: just kind of took notes, thought about who are keepers, 173 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: who weren't, what needed to change, and you know, every 174 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: situation is different that you go into, and what do 175 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: they need you to bring that's not there, And it's 176 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: no and going in and talking about the previous people 177 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: or the regime or whatever. Nobody wants to hear it. 178 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: You know, fans don't want to hear it. Just shut 179 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: up and play better. That's the only thing I ever 180 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: had on a wall that I put up. I think 181 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: I used to paint over a lot of all those 182 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: sayings that people would go, oh my god, that didn't 183 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: make me. Did you ever have a saying you read 184 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: you went, wow, that made me a better player? We 185 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: just put one thing up there. Play better, play better. 186 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: You know. 187 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: That's all the fans. You know, they've heard all this 188 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: lip service about what they're going to do. What they 189 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: got to get back to. That's one of my keys. 190 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: I don't you know, but morale and the people that 191 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: are the ushers, the parking attendance, the people that work 192 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: the doors, they're all part of the of the presentation 193 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 1: of organization. There's so many facets in the change in 194 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: that mindset, and I think you make a mistake if 195 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: you go in there and just say everything's bad and 196 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: everything stinks and I'm here to save the day. There 197 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: are some good people there in these situations that you 198 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: need to be aware of. 199 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you guys a question. 200 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 4: The Orioles. 201 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: Go ahead, what Orioles? 202 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 4: What need new players? You need new players, new gym, 203 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 4: and a new owner. Let's start with that and then 204 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: we'll go from there. As the manager, what can you do? 205 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 4: You got the players you got, You can't you can't 206 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 4: change who you got. You can't change horses strikes. They're 207 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 4: not They're not very good. That's not a knock on 208 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 4: the players. They're in the big leagues. I get it. 209 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 4: But what are you going to do? I mean, they 210 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 4: just swept the Marlins those on it must be better 211 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 4: than them. 212 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really interesting dynamic with the ballpark and 213 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: the and the high you know, there's only I don't 214 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: know if you consider Arizona, but you know, one thing 215 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: I was I was thinking about the other day. They're the 216 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: only team in that mountain time zone. I think Arizona 217 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: is considered in it. But their time I believe, never changes. 218 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: You know, they go they while other people may change, 219 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: Arizona stays the same year around. That's one thing I 220 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: loved about living out there. But there's just a lot 221 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 1: of dynamics with Colorado that challenges that I think other 222 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: people don't have. And there's got to be a you know, 223 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: you can't make them play inside and change the pressure. 224 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: We're you know where the elevation doesn't affect things, and 225 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: it is a big factor there. But they have been 226 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: to the playoffs before, they have had competitive teams, they 227 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: have you know, there's something there. You know, everybody's got 228 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: a theory on it. Trust me, everybody's got a theory 229 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: on how you win in Colorado and in good luck. 230 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 4: All right, Well, that leads you to a next ussure 231 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 4: you the next manager of the Rockies or are you 232 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 4: going to be the next manager of the Orioles when 233 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 4: they ask you back? Because what would you do to 234 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 4: fix Baltimore? Because they have not played up to their potential. 235 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: Well, they got a lot of people hurt. I think 236 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna you know, they're getting it going a little 237 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: bit now, you know. You know, it's like maybe a 238 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: month ago, everybody's ready to run everybody out of town 239 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Next thing you know, they won ten games 240 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: in a row, and now you know they're in the playoffs. 241 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: If it ended the day, there's over one hundred games left. 242 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: I don't I don't dwell in that. There's times when 243 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: the baseball will make you feel like you're awful, and 244 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: there are times when it makes you feel better than 245 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: you actually are. And that's why you know, coaching staff 246 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: and managers have to understand, you know, the end game 247 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: at all points. At all times. You know there's sometimes 248 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: in a game you may not have to put your 249 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: best foot forward. You may not put your best foot 250 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: forward so you can maintain long term success. 251 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: But we're not. 252 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: You know, I hope nobody gets let go. It's painful. 253 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: I hope everybody keeps their job, and I hope everybody 254 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: plays five hundred. But that's not the aj. I'm pretty 255 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: much I'm not going to answer your question. 256 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: What else? 257 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 4: Well then well, then here's the next question. Did you 258 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 4: ever go? 259 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 5: Did you ever go into a season? And I'm thinking 260 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 5: specifically of the Orioles. There's so much potential, so much youth, 261 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 5: and you are a players manager where you're like, I 262 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 5: believe in the players, maybe to a fault because the 263 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 5: players may struggle and I can't do anything about that. 264 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 5: All I can do is believe in them. But you 265 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 5: sit there and you go, gosh, darn it. There were 266 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 5: so many starting pitchers available and we just didn't get 267 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 5: any of the top three that I was hoping for. 268 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 5: Is that tough for you to overcome? 269 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 4: As a manager? 270 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: You can't live in that world, Eric, You can't. You know, 271 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: you stay focused on what your job is. It's kind 272 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: of like, you know, have you guys seen the the Netflix? 273 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: My wife got me watching Race for the crown, about 274 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: the Triple Crown and all everything. 275 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: But the guy had a great point. 276 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: He said, you know, I'm the manager of a baseball 277 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: team is like a jockey, and the trainer of the 278 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: horse is kind of the GM. And you got to 279 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: have such a close relationship. Those two guys have to 280 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: be on the same page with everything. And you can't 281 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: lament who we didn't get, or who we didn't trade for, 282 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: or who we didn't sign. You can't let because because one, 283 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: it's saying to everybody at locker room there were people 284 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: better than you. Your focus is on those twenty six 285 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: guys and whoever may be coming up from the minor leagues, 286 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: and it starts in spring training that it's all about 287 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: making them as good as it can be. Is it 288 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: fair when things don't work out and the manager or 289 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: the coaches get fired? Of course not, but nobody you 290 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: didn't ever sign up for fairness, and that's why gms 291 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: stay around longer. But you know, it's kind of like 292 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: who's critiquing their critiquers And I tried to stay out 293 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: of that. It was hard sometimes because you want to 294 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: you know, what's the old expression, Bill Parcells, You want 295 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: me to cook dinner, but you won't let me pick 296 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: the groceries or help pick the grocery is And I 297 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: think I think that's one of the reason why Detroit 298 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: has been so successful. You can tell what a closer 299 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: relationship AJ and their GM have and how much input 300 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: their coaching staff has on player evaluations. And I think 301 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: it's really played out as these young players have started 302 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: in the tour. 303 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 5: Buck you go into your next managerial job, do you 304 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 5: want a GM who says, Ah, you know what, we 305 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 5: have all this stuff, We're building this for the next 306 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 5: five years. Or are you more interested in a GM 307 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 5: that says, you know what, we're pushing all our chips in. 308 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 4: We want to win from day one on. 309 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: I think I think both. I don't mean to skirt 310 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: your question in the locker room. You're always going to 311 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: be trying to win a baseball game. That's why people 312 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: pay money to come watch you play, you know, and 313 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: I would never apologize for trying to win every game. 314 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: The difference is sometimes you will make a decision with 315 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: a young player or somebody that's going through growing pains 316 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: that may not put your best footfa That's why it's 317 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: important to know where you are but you know, it's tough. 318 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes these managers take a beating to get it to 319 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: the end game, and then what do they do. They 320 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: go get another manager. But that's you know, you wouldn't 321 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: trade it for the world. 322 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: But I like the eye. I think you can do both. 323 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: I know when I was coming up with the Yankees, 324 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: we had two jobs as minor league managers. Developed players 325 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: and win our league, not necessarily in that order, and 326 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: teaching guys how to win baseball games was key to 327 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: our player development. I remember one year we won six 328 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: or seven leagues and the only year that Stemmeener gave 329 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: out watches instead of rings. 330 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: Killed me. But uh, I remember that was part of it. 331 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: It was teaching, you know. 332 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: I love how these farm directors go, oh, we're developing great, 333 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: but we're not. We're in the last place in every league. Well, 334 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: you're not developing if you're doing that. At some point 335 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: the things you're teaching and the things you're doing should 336 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: start showing up. 337 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: In a game and on the scoreboard. I believe that. 338 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 4: But one thing I don't agree with you on, Buck 339 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 4: is we brought you on here for your honesty, So 340 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 4: stop skirting questions. Okay, we need direct answers. No, none, no, 341 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 4: No more skirting from you, all right, because that's not 342 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 4: your personality. I did ask you if you're gonna be 343 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 4: the next ormat manager of the Orioles of the Rockies, 344 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 4: and you said no because I. 345 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: I'll tell you my involvement is. Adam Jones asked me 346 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: if I would come introduce him for his Oriel Hall 347 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: of Fame, and I'm gonna. I think I'm gonna do it. 348 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: I haven't been back there since I left. I think 349 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it for Adam. That was That's a 350 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: big deal. That's a big deal. 351 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 4: I'm gonna see Adam tonight. So I'm gonna ask him 352 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 4: why he didn't ask me to introduce him. But I 353 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 4: don't know. Maybe I'll get you out of it one 354 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 4: way or another, all right. So I gotta ask you. 355 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 4: You mentioned the Rockies and what should they do? Will 356 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 4: you once walk very bonds at the bases loaded? That's 357 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 4: the kind of outside the box thing that people in 358 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 4: the Colorado need to do. So what did you think 359 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 4: of Ron Washington and Aaron Judge when he intentionally walked 360 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 4: him like in the first inning and then they were 361 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 4: kind of laughing about it. I mean, isn't that kind 362 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 4: of what the Rockies need? 363 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: Well, you know, uh, pitching to Aaron Judge. You know, 364 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: a long time ago. I remember Billy Martin. Remember what 365 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: was the guy with an afro Oscar gamble spring training 366 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: and you know you tried to win every game. Billy Martin. 367 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: The last inn, he said, take one, do we get 368 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: the time? Run to the plate and uh, you get 369 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: get the you know, so Oscar hit the first pitch 370 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: for a home run. Billy was I rate and he said, Billy, Billy, 371 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: hold on, when I'm in the battles box, I am 372 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: in scoring position. Now with that being said, you know, 373 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: judges in scoring position when he steps in the box, 374 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: so I can see it. You know, I don't know 375 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: it's there's you know, still, if you get the ball 376 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: in the right places and the right sequence, you can 377 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: get people out. But the Billy to repeat pitches, especially 378 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: with the deliveries that you're seeing today where everybody's just 379 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: chasing velocity and locations in a lot of cases, has 380 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: thrown out the window. I don't know if I would 381 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: trust some of the pitchers either to to execute that sequence. 382 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: You know, I'm talking about age the sequence that you 383 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: try to. It must be frustrating for you. You get a sequence, 384 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: you get everything going, and you know you got the 385 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: guys set up for the right pitch and the guy 386 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: can't execute. 387 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 2: It must drive you crazy. 388 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 4: No doubt, buck. But here's my last question. It's got 389 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: to be quick. Mississippi State, You're alma mater, fired their coach, 390 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 4: hired a new coach. One were you on the short 391 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 4: list to be their new head coach? And two? Were 392 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 4: you involved in the hiring of the new coach? Because 393 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 4: as soon as they got eliminated from the regional they 394 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 4: announced it like two minutes after So were you already 395 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 4: Were you already on your way in there? Because they 396 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 4: did play in Tallahousee, which is close to where you live. 397 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: No, it's not close to Dallas, I can tell you that, 398 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: But you know what he No, Zach Selman and I 399 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: have talked about other things other than that. 400 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 2: But they made a good decision. 401 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: I like O'Connor and I think they're announcing today and 402 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: I hope the best for our program. 403 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 2: It's been tough. 404 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: You know that both the guy they fired the guy 405 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: they're bringing in and have won the College World Series 406 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: at some point in their career, so it's a special place. 407 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: But I don't you. 408 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: Know, I know what I'm good at and what I'm 409 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: not at. Aj I have a lot of respect for things. 410 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell the pilot how to land 411 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: of playing college, coaching in the NIL and having to 412 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: recruit your own players every year, I probably wouldn't be 413 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: good at kissing some sixteen year old kids. But so 414 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: I understand what's going on. But you know, watching the 415 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: regional sum I watched them, guys, where is the sportsmanship 416 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: going in our game? 417 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 2: It's hard to watch. 418 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: I cannot believe some of the stuff that these coaches 419 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: allow these guys to do. And you see it in 420 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: the little league, in a little league, real serious. I 421 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: don't know how did we lose that? How did we 422 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: lose respect for your your competition. 423 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 4: I don't get managers like you let let people get 424 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 4: away with the book. Managers like you, it's your. 425 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: Fault, well not me, but you know you got to 426 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: pick yours. 427 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 4: You know why, because you can't throw at anybody anymore, 428 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 4: and you can't handle it on the field because you can't. 429 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 4: That's where it starts. And everyone, let's make it game 430 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 4: fun until somebody gets offended and then it's not fun. 431 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 4: Then it's fight. So anyways, gotta go. 432 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's funny. 433 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: You said that because I was thinking to day talking 434 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: with an old teammate that we used to have skirmishes. 435 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say fights in the minor leagues all 436 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: the time. Nobody got suspended, nobody got but we policed 437 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: ourselves and there was a certain code, so to speak, 438 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, when things weren't copesthetic. And I don't ever 439 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: remember anybody getting hurt getting suspended. You know, you you 440 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: took care of whatever issue you had with somebody, and 441 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: whether it was a slide, whether it was a collision, 442 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: whether it was a little get together behind second base, 443 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: and there wasn't any wolf calls back then you want him, 444 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: go get him. Okay, don't get your teammates involved in it. 445 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: There's no wolf calls on this team. I used to 446 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: tell them, you guys want somebody, go get him. We 447 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: got your back with the rest of them. But make 448 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: sure it's just one on one and you take care 449 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: of business. 450 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 2: But buck good stuff. 451 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 3: But in college they say let the kids play or 452 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 3: they'll transfer. 453 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 2: But anyway, it was good to see you. I'll just 454 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: joke on the way out. Buck, you're the man. Thank 455 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: you so much. We're tired against time. We'll have it 456 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 2: back soon. Okay, God bless you guys. Thank care.