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Speaker 2: up for forty five minutes Danny Parkins and my guy

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Speaker 2: FS one formerly Chicago Radio Icon. This is the slowest

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Speaker 2: three weeks of the year. As you well know, is

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Speaker 2: that football season ends. We don't take any days off

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Speaker 2: for six months. Nobody cares. It's lightlifting. Then you get

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Speaker 2: about four days after the Super Bowl to chop it up,

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Speaker 2: and then there's like a three week stretch until NFL

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Speaker 2: Free agency, and you know, college basketball pivots into March

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Speaker 2: badness where it's pretty dead. But I wanted to start today.

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Speaker 2: I was watching JB. Pritzker as the governor of Illinois.

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Speaker 2: It's for the uninitiated here. He's one of the richest,

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Speaker 2: one of the richest families in America. He is the

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Speaker 2: Pritzker family. It's probably top four or five richest families

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Speaker 2: I have a place in downtown Chicago and JB. Pritzker,

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Speaker 2: he is the governor. I think he's a Northwestern duke guy,

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Speaker 2: very very smart guy. And you know, so the mccaskey's

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Speaker 2: when you hear these threats by Kevin Warren and the

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Speaker 2: mccaskeys of moving you know, the Bear Stadium. Good luck

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Speaker 2: negotiating against J. B. Pritzker, who's a very very sharp guy.

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Speaker 2: He's a businessman, very successful before he was the governor

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Speaker 2: of the state, and I think he would run circles

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Speaker 2: Like I hear the stories. First of all, Chicago is

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Speaker 2: You could end the list there. I've always said, people

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Speaker 2: I've seen the Rose Bull ratings in Chicago and I've

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Speaker 2: seen them in New York. You know, New York likes

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Speaker 2: New York. Chicago watches everything college football, bowling, NASCAR, NBA.

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Speaker 2: Chicago watches everything. Maybe the best American sports down and

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Speaker 2: the idea that you pull a stadium out and put

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Speaker 2: it in northern Indiana. And again for people that don't

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Speaker 2: Gary Hammond Fort Wayne's probably got three hundred thousand people.

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Speaker 2: The people in Indiana would have to pay for the stadium.

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Speaker 2: There'd be taxes obviously assessed to build a two and

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Speaker 1: JB.

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Speaker 2: Pritz store is going to run circles around the McCaskey

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Speaker 1: Well, so, first of all, I find this story to

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Speaker 1: all those people on social media and they're all my

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Speaker 1: But this is this is a store of billionaires trying

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Speaker 1: They are not wealthy like the Pritzkers from Hyatt or

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Speaker 1: But so the point is it's impossible to get in

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Speaker 1: And so then now it's like, Okay, so the mccaski's

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Speaker 1: want to own their stadium, fine, but they don't have

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Speaker 1: Pritzker, as you mentioned, smart business guy, Illinois Blues date,

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Speaker 1: it's not very politically popular to to have publicly funded stadiums.

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Speaker 1: You saw what happened with the Chiefs in Missouri and Kansas,

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Speaker 1: Just who cares? Who cares? They're gonna be the Kayleb

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Speaker 1: Williams is gonna be the quarterback of the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 1: Call with Ben Jonson calling the plays. Whether it's an Arlington,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Arlington Heights is close to my house, so I'm

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Speaker 2: obviously don't feel like going to Hammond, Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you one thing about Hammond, Indiana.

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Speaker 2: It's where the casinos were, And there's probably only one

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Speaker 1: Okay, So it's where I would gamble because that's where

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Speaker 1: It's the real thing called the region. Like I had

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Speaker 1: But you know, cheap land and property taxes. So maybe

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Speaker 2: Where do you think they're going to go Arlington Heights?

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Speaker 2: I don't buy it at all. And this is a

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Speaker 2: So California is such a massive state, but there's nothing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just and there's nothing against Indiana, but I

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Speaker 2: not a place that local taxpayers in Indiana don't care

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Speaker 1: They love the Colts. You know what.

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Speaker 2: The best part about Indiana is Bloomington. That is a

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Speaker 1: Sure and listen, and I've had plenty of good times

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about it, and I think I've told

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like you look at him and go, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Now, true, but it's interesting because he's an ascending player.

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Speaker 2: All of his offensive numbers came down this year. Now

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, he's not playing a ton of minutes.

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Speaker 1: to like an arrogant level. So unselfish Brew has made

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Speaker 2: It's just like, wow, he says a force onto himself. Offensively,

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Speaker 1: But that feels like something I've seen before. That will come.

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Speaker 1: And they're really good, like you. They're their efficiency numbers

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Speaker 1: They got players, They're they're very good offensively. I still

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Speaker 1: think they're drawing dead in the playoffs, but I I

430
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Speaker 1: don't think your top two guys can be defensive liabilities,

431
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Speaker 1: and they are saying so, I don't think the Knicks

432
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Speaker 1: can win a title as presently constructed. I am not

433
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Speaker 1: denying Wemby is the best prospect since Lebron. He's the

434
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Speaker 1: most disruptive defender ever. And he's going to average twenty

435
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Speaker 1: four points a game. But when I watch him, I'm like,

436
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,479
Speaker 1: his his offensive game is like, yeah, I enjoyed watching

437
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Speaker 1: Steph Moore, Magic More, Bird Moore, Wiltmore.

438
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Speaker 2: I just I don't I don't love the game.

439
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, I mean I guess I would just say, like,

440
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Speaker 1: give him time and I will be floored if he

441
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Speaker 1: if like his peak offensively is averaging twenty four a game,

442
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Speaker 1: like I I.

443
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Speaker 2: For the record, yeah, yeah, for the record. Two three

444
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 2: years ago, I was very critical Luca and I said

445
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: everybody loved him. Yeah, and I got ship because I

446
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 2: said he's a better Carmelo Anthony. He's going to age quickly.

447
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 2: I remember that he doesn't defend. Yeah yeah, And people

448
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: push back this last week. I must have read that

449
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 2: twelve times, and I'm like, guys, if you don't play defense,

450
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: harden mellow Luca, it will create resentment. Number one, It

451
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: will create resentment in the locker room. It's a small

452
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Speaker 2: locker room, Danny. You know baseball ten guys go down

453
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 2: to the bullpen. They're not even part of the team

454
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Speaker 2: in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

456
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Speaker 2: In basketball, it's a small roster. Seven to eight guys play.

457
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: I mean, hell, it's sometimes you have more coaches on

458
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 2: the bench than guys that actually get in the rotation.

459
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 2: And so, like word travels fast if you're a dog.

460
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: So if you don't play defense, Harden's head, Carmelo Luca

461
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 2: not a lot of playoff success. The second thing is

462
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Speaker 2: in a long series, the coaching's too good. In the NBA,

463
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: they hunt you. If I got to play Luca five

464
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Speaker 2: straight games, well I know. And by the way, the

465
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Speaker 2: more you get hunted, the more effort you put it.

466
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Speaker 2: By the end of a series. I've seen Luca before

467
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Speaker 2: at the end of a series. He shot Harden at

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Speaker 2: the end of a series because they hunt him for

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Speaker 2: five games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, whoever he's guarding, that guy sets the screen

471
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Speaker 1: on the ball, right, And so you just bring him

472
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Speaker 1: into the action every single time, and you make him running,

473
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Speaker 1: you make him do a ton of things there. The

474
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Speaker 1: listen to me, Luca can be the best player on

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Speaker 1: a title team. I still believe that I do too.

476
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Speaker 1: I do too, Okay, but I think you need to

477
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Speaker 1: have like a very specific roster constructed around him. And

478
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Speaker 1: it's the same point, like it's it's it's the cousin

479
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Speaker 1: of the point I was just making about Towns and Brunson,

480
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Speaker 1: Like you can't everyone else around. Luca needs to be

481
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: an amazing athlete and a great defensive player and long

482
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Speaker 1: and able to switch and cover and cover.

483
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Speaker 2: And preferably catch and shoot because he's always got the ball.

484
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Speaker 1: Yes, right, Like three and D guys you want, you

485
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: want as many now the whole league wants three and

486
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: D guys, but like you want you want long athletic

487
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: wings who can switch, who are going to be catching

488
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: shoot three guys and all that. But like he's gonna

489
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Speaker 1: get you your offense. And why I kind of pushed

490
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Speaker 1: back against your metal thing is like Luca is a

491
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Speaker 1: great passer, like he yes, Like he is a great passer,

492
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Speaker 1: Like he will like Luca when he's got the screen

493
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Speaker 1: and roll and he's like throwing the lobs to guys.

494
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Speaker 1: It's why DeAndre Ayton is so frustrating, Like he's like, oh,

495
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: do you want to make me Clint Capella that thing

496
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: that was going around the other day, It's like that

497
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Speaker 1: that'd be good for you, Like, go be seven feet

498
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: tall with two of the best passers in the world

499
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Speaker 1: and go catch lobs all day like you should like

500
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Speaker 1: you that, Like the Lakers need a rim running center

501
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: who's like actually willing to be a rim running center.

502
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Speaker 1: Uh and so but they but because Lebron is what

503
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: he is at this age defensively, and Reeves is what

504
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: he is defensively, which is like he gives effort, but

505
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: he's not a plus defender. Yeah, and obviously Luca is

506
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Speaker 1: what he is. Like, they can't win, Like people like

507
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: ask us to talk about the Lakers on the shows

508
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: and it's like, are they a contender of pretenders? Now?

509
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: They're the only way they win is if they are

510
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Speaker 1: like the best offensive team in the sport by like

511
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Speaker 1: you know, but they have to just out shoot. Yeah,

512
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: and that's what you can't You can't do that in

513
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: the West. The teams are too good. So I think

514
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: they're also drawing dead for winning more than one series. Yeah,

515
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: it's interesting with Lebron. You know, the Dodgers owners now

516
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: on the Lakers, and you know they let go of

517
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Speaker 1: Cody Bellinger and Scott Sager and Trade Turner on the

518
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: batting title and Manny Machado in his prime, which I

519
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: was surprised with Zach Grinky. They don't they'll let go

520
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: of people and they and by the way, all the

521
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: analytics tell you that Luke and Lebron on the floor

522
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: don't work because and for obvious reasons.

523
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Speaker 2: One they both need the ball. Two both are I mean,

524
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Speaker 2: Lebron is now the second slowest player in the league.

525
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 2: So like the the tandem of Luke and Lebron is

526
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Speaker 2: like it's a disaster on the floor. But not to

527
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Speaker 2: include myself in this, but I saw this week like

528
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Speaker 2: Chris Berman announced his retirement and it'll be like in

529
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Speaker 2: a year and he'll have worked like fifty years at ESPN.

530
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: And that's Jeter, That's Kobe. When you play for one team,

531
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: that's Dan Marino, right, So there's this love of you know,

532
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: I've bounced around to different companies, but I've been a

533
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: bit of a mercenary. You know, have microphone, will travel,

534
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: what's the best offer, what's the best commerce. That was

535
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: best for my family. That's why I did it. I

536
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 2: could have stayed everywhere if things worked out. But the

537
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 2: downside of being a mercenary in basketball and broadcasting in politics.

538
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 2: The downside to being a mercenary is there's not a

539
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: lot of romanticism about it, right, Like, so Lebron, you

540
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: could show him the door. Tomorrow, Magic Johnson walks into

541
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 2: that arena. He's still more beloved than Lebron. But to

542
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: this day he walks into the Staples and it's fascinating

543
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: to watch the crowd stands. It's like, ooh, there's Magic.

544
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: It's like you've never seen him. You're all season ticket holders.

545
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: So my take is the advantage the Dodgers have is

546
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: you can let Lebron go and people would be like, well,

547
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: building a statue, And I don't think, like, it's not Jordan,

548
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: it's not Pio, it's not the eighty five Bears, it's well.

549
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: And I defend Lebron's mobility, but like La is distracted,

550
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: like nobody's gonna care no.

551
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: So a couple of things. First of all, we will

552
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: romanticize you, Colin. Whenever you want to hang it up.

553
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: I promise you. I promise you. We will give you your flowers.

554
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: And I don't don't worry. You're very important to all

555
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: of us at the volume. So yeah, you are. You

556
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: are the son of which we all know, So don't worry.

557
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: You'll get You'll get your flowers, and you're goodbye to her.

558
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: But you're you're not You're not going anywhere anytime soon.

559
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: Lebron means more to the NBA than he means to

560
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: the Lakers. I totally agree. But you know, like I

561
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't worry if I were if I owned the Lakers

562
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 1: about saying goodbye to Lebron, But I would worry if

563
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: I was Adam Silver about saying goodbye to Lebron. Lebron

564
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: still matters. He is still interesting. People still care about him.

565
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: People I went to the Bulls game with Lebron, he

566
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Speaker 2: was the most popular player.

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Speaker 1: I mean, of course he was the most popular. He's

568
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Speaker 1: one of the most famous people in the world. He's

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Speaker 1: maybe one of the most famous. He's one of the

570
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: greatest athletes ever any sport. He's it's even remarkable. It's remarkable,

571
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: like he he's taking up golf and I can't get

572
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Speaker 1: enough of it. Like I like watching the clips of

573
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: Lebron trying to learn golf because it's like, oh, man, Lebron,

574
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: he's just like me. He's yeh, duffing it out of

575
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: the rough, like he's I would imagine, like, obviously, I

576
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Speaker 1: have no idea what it's like to be Lebron, obviously,

577
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: but I gotta think if I was Himmer in his camp,

578
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: there would be a sinister part of me that when

579
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: he retires would wonder what shows like ours on both

580
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: networks would talk about we've spent I mean, you've been

581
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: at the song of me. I've been doing National TV

582
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Speaker 1: for a year and a half. How many thousands of

583
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: hours between the two networks do you think Lebron has programmed?

584
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: Oh?

585
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 1: I said fifty.

586
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: I said this to a I said this to a

587
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: baseball executive ten years ago. I was about a year

588
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: before I left ESPN, and I told this baseball executive

589
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,239
Speaker 2: it was at some it was in Connecticut, and there

590
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: are a bunch of baseball people there. I said, do

591
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: you understand nobody talks about your sport? And you may

592
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: look at first take and you may you know, my

593
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: show wasn't a thing at FS one yet or but

594
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: I mentioned four or five popular hosts, and Tony and

595
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: Mike and all them, you know, get I don't even

596
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: think Get Up was a show yet. But I said,

597
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, Mike and Mike, I think was Mike, and

598
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: I said, nobody talks baseball. I said, do you understand

599
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: how many free hours the NFL and the NBA get

600
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Speaker 2: on these networks. It's insane. Now baseball, Oh Tani the dog.

601
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: That's why the Dodgers, you and I have said this,

602
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: They're great for baseball. They got a villain again for

603
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: the first time in twenty years. Like they need a villain,

604
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: they need a bad guy. So, yeah, no, I think

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00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: there isn't really. In fact, I've noticed Danny when I

606
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: talk NBA now, I talk Nicks. I don't talk players.

607
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: I talk Nicks, I talk Oh, I don't talk Warriors.

608
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: I would say Celtics, Knicks, Lakers. I don't really talk

609
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: a player. I really don't. And I think that's that's

610
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: one of the challenges the NBA has, because it's always

611
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: been its most popular when there's a galvanizing or a

612
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: polarizing figure to lead the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so to circle back to Wemby, because I

614
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: do think he can be that, because I like he

615
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: might just start breaking all of the rules. Like the

616
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: whole thing in the NBA was like you have to

617
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: like crawl before you can walk before you can run,

618
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: Like it happened with Michael Jordan, it happened with Lebron

619
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Speaker 1: in terms of like the yeah, like he would lose

620
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: to the Pistons and the Celtics, and then he would

621
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: beat them and then he would win his title, and

622
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: that was like the progression of the whole thing. Like

623
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Speaker 1: if Wemby just enters the playoffs at twenty two and

624
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: beats Jokic and beats the Thunder and wins, it'll be oh, well,

625
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: that's different, you know, yeah, yeah, there are just think

626
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 1: there are things about him that are different. And like

627
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: I as a longtime basketball fan. You was a long

628
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: time basketball fan. I can't appreciate Like I've seen Wemby

629
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Speaker 1: and I've said this before. I don't think to you,

630
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: but it just it's a highlight that sticks in my mind.

631
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: And I'm a nerd about this stuff. But like, not

632
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: like a trailing three where his momentum is carrying him

633
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: towards the basket because he's running in transition a catch

634
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: and shoot, stand still three pointer. I've seen this alien

635
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: catch a ball, shoot it, recognize that it was long run,

636
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: catch the rebound, and tip slam his own missed three

637
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: point shot. That's not supposed to be physically possible.

638
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: Like like like tip, like Jordan would do it off

639
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: of a missed free throw when someone else would miss

640
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Speaker 3: a three throw, and he would be have a running

641
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 3: start and jump and tip, slam and put it back

642
00:33:59,440 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: like this guy.

643
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Speaker 1: He can get from half court to dunking and two

644
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: dribbles like it's just it's just a I do think

645
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Speaker 1: that Wemby can capture our basketball curiosity.

646
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: But but you but you do know this. The big

647
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 2: guys don't sell shoes, for instance.

648
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Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, you know, I mean like I want

649
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: to be like Mike, or I want to or you know, staff,

650
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: I can shoot threes. I want to be like Mike.

651
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: Was a moment in time with campaigning everyone wanted to fly.

652
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Speaker 1: No one thinks their kid could grow up and be Wemby,

653
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: and that it might be the least relatable physical specimen ever.

654
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: That's fair.

655
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's it's like and and that's

656
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: when I watch Wenby. I'm not I'm not disputing any

657
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: of it, but it doesn't feel necessarily relatable. It's not

658
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: always artistic, it's just almost genetically fantastic. It's listen, I

659
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Speaker 2: I watched Shack in Orlando I actually covered them a

660
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: few times, Shack in Orlando and when Shack first came

661
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: into the league. The best part about Shaq is when

662
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: you get a rebound take at the length of the

663
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: floor and like almost break the backboard. It was the power.

664
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Speaker 2: And I think Wemby's not as much power. He's just

665
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Speaker 2: length and dexterity. And so it's it's not that I

666
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: don't appreciate it, but I look at him and I think,

667
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Speaker 2: I don't know, does the kids relate to that? Is it?

668
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Speaker 1: Is it fun? Is it mean? Because Jordan was cool?

669
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: Magic, the no look passes, Bird was actually kind of cool.

670
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 2: Curry is cool. There is a cool factor in the NBA.

671
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: It's it's you know, I've said this to you before

672
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: one of the reasons I don't like the three point

673
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Speaker 2: shot because the basketball is the most artistic sport in

674
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Speaker 2: the world. Yeah right, I don't want aunt shooting thirteen threes.

675
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Speaker 1: Of course, dunking. I honestly think everybody is in agreement

676
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: on that, including the players and the teams. They just

677
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Speaker 1: know that they have to shoot threes in order to win,

678
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: so they do it. But I think everybody like artistically

679
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: agrees with that. But so like when Lebron, Stephen Katy retire,

680
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: which is, you know, we probably have another five years

681
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Speaker 1: before like the last of them is out of the Yeah,

682
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Speaker 1: maybe you know. I mean Katie's talking about playing the

683
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight Olympics, so like, yeah, four or five years,

684
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Speaker 1: I would say, with those guys, with at least one

685
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Speaker 1: of them, do you like? I guess I just think

686
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: Cooper flag Cooper flags it to me, okay, yeah, because

687
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Speaker 1: but I guess my point is, like I don't there's

688
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Speaker 1: so much talent and basketball is such a popular sport

689
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Speaker 1: that I don't I don't really worry about it, like

690
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Speaker 1: I I think the like if I was, if I

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Speaker 1: was Adam Silver, I'd be much more concerned about stuff

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Speaker 1: we talked about a couple podcast episodes ago, like too

693
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Speaker 1: many threes, guys getting injured, too much, not knowing if

694
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Speaker 1: a star is going to play, when you buy your

695
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: tickets in advance tanking like which I know you and

696
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: I disagreed on a little bit, but like I would

697
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Speaker 1: be more worried about like macro issues than I would

698
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Speaker 1: be about stars. Like I I think I think they

699
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Speaker 1: will find stars because basketball is just really good at

700
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Speaker 1: creating stars. Even if there isn't a singular Lebron Michael

701
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Speaker 1: Magic work face of the league, I still think there

702
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: will be enough high level talents that will sell jerseys

703
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Speaker 1: and shoes.

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Speaker 2: Well, the other thing we have to be fair to

705
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Speaker 2: all these sports and all these athletes is they're not

706
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Speaker 2: fighting over a tiny slice of the pie. I mean,

707
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 2: go look at Michael Jordan and Magic's contracts. They're like

708
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: what a popular DJ makes in New York City. Like

709
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: it was like they were fighting over you know, Magic

710
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: signed a twenty five year, twenty five million dollar deal.

711
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: That is a that'd be a horrendous ig account now

712
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: for an NBA player, right, Like, So, I think the

713
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: reality is it is hard to get worked up when

714
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Speaker 2: you you know, signed a three hundred million dollar contract

715
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Speaker 2: or one hundred million dollar contract. It's like even in

716
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: the NFL, you're being tackled by players and the NFL

717
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: game's over. Players are shaking hands and they're fist bumping. Hey,

718
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: I'll see in the golf tournament at Hilton Head this year,

719
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: we have homes next to each other. It's like Chris

720
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: Paul and Steph Curry and they have places in Mexico. Yeah,

721
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: they're they're fighting on the court. They both yea, they

722
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 2: both have mansions, and I think it's hard to get

723
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Speaker 2: it's hard to muster up that angst when everybody's eating.

724
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well right, There's there's a lot of money

725
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: in this, in this stuff. There's a lot of money

726
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: in professional sports. But this, I mean, this all began

727
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: because you were talking to me about like what I

728
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Speaker 1: am most interested in in the dead period of sports. Like,

729
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: even with all of the issues, I'll still take the

730
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: two and a half months of the NBA Playoffs of

731
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: every night, one two, three games of these these athletes

732
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Speaker 1: going one hundred percent against each other. Like, still, I

733
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Speaker 1: still think it's great theater. I love Thursday to Sunday

734
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: opening weekend of March Madness. Going from sixty four teams

735
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: to sixteen single it's fantastic. Single elimination is amazing. You know,

736
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: I want to play Augusta more than basically anything in

737
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Speaker 1: the world. But I don't know anybody. So if anyone

738
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Speaker 1: wants to invite any members listening to the HERD podcast, no,

739
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: But like I so, the Masters will get me from

740
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: start to finish, like every year. But you know, we

741
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: were a splintered Society Colin. You know that. Like, so

742
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: the things that everybody cares about really are football at

743
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Speaker 1: this point. So that's why you're going to hear a

744
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Speaker 1: lot of Fernando Mendoza talk. So this week.

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Speaker 2: It's something Fox had been working on for like ten

746
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Speaker 2: or eleven months. They took all my opening rants and

747
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Speaker 2: they threw them into this AI machine. Yeah, and they

748
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Speaker 2: came out eleven months later and they're like, okay, listen

749
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Speaker 2: to I didn't know they were doing it, and Eric

750
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: Shanks during a commercial break, says, listen to this. And

751
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: he asked it a question, and it was me spitting

752
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: it out, except I could see a picture of me.

753
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: This version you just hear me, don't see me. His version,

754
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: you could see me and Frank. It was way better.

755
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: Looking than me.

756
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I look like David Hasselhoff.

757
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Speaker 1: I had all this hair.

758
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Speaker 2: But the point was is I thought to myself, you know,

759
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: some people won't like it. You know, people will say, oh, well,

760
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: you're just you know, you're you're eliminating jobs. Well it's

761
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Speaker 2: not has nothing to do with the show or the volume.

762
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: It's just basically like a trivia app. You know, you

763
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 2: go to Fox Sports app you go to the AI.

764
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Speaker 2: But it is interesting because in my entire life, and

765
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Speaker 2: maybe the media really does think this, the media tends

766
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Speaker 2: to veer to chaotic and worst case scenario. So when

767
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Speaker 2: I did this AI thing, my takeaway was the smartest

768
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Speaker 2: people in the world do not know the outcomes. Nobody

769
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Speaker 2: really knows. We're not going to have thirty eight percent unemployment.

770
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Speaker 2: I'm absolutely sure of just that there'll be shoulder economies.

771
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Speaker 2: I mean, I, like I've said before, even if it

772
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Speaker 2: did a better job than my accountant, I still like

773
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: my accountant and trust my accountant and can call my

774
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Speaker 2: accountant every day. I'm not replacing my accountant. I may

775
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: ask my accountant to be able to use AI, but

776
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: I'm not getting rid of my realtor my accountant, my lawyer,

777
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: like none of that stuff. So just as a starting

778
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Speaker 2: point for this, as a member of the media, when

779
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: you look at AI, are you do you think, Oh,

780
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 2: it could replace me? Holy crap, what are my kids

781
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: are going to do? Oh Jesus, I mean, how do

782
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Speaker 2: you view it? Apocalyptic?

783
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: No? No, listen, it's it. It's a tool. And I

784
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: think that, like anything there is good and bad. So

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Speaker 1: I'll get back to AI in a second. But like,

786
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: like social media net positive for the world, net negative

787
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Speaker 1: for the world. There's a lot of arguments on both sides.

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Speaker 2: I'd say slight negative.

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Speaker 1: Okay, right, and that I think I would too, right,

790
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: Like you can read stories about how like in some

791
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: places in the world they don't really have the Internet,

792
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: but they have Facebook, and so their only access to

793
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: news is misinformation and it has led to civil war

794
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: and it's like that is mortifying and it's and it's

795
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Speaker 1: influenced elections and it's like really toxic. Internet brained a

796
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: lot of people, and that would be in the negative column.

797
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: It also how people meet and how people see pictures

798
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Speaker 1: of their grandkids when they live far away, and has

799
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: created careers and launched new media empires, and you know

800
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Speaker 1: what I mean. Like it's a lot of good and

801
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: a lot of bad with social media. Like I think,

802
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: I think net negative net positive social media is I think, yeah,

803
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: of course, of course, because the world is gray. The

804
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: world needs nuance. So like AI, I am thrilled that,

805
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, I do a lot of fundraising. I'm very

806
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Speaker 1: proud of it for brain cancer research in honor of

807
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: my brother who passed away. I'm thrilled that I read

808
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: about and occasionally talk to and know people in the

809
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: space that like are really, really, really optimistic about what

810
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: AI might be able to do to help figure out

811
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Speaker 1: ways because the brain is the most complicated computer of

812
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: like delivering medicine to portions of the brain that have

813
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Speaker 1: previously not been available through normal medical science, like what

814
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: AI like. I absolutely want the medicinal field to be

815
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Speaker 1: using AI if they think it can help. Right when

816
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: do I love the idea that, like you, one of

817
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: the greatest takesmen of all time, have given all of

818
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: your takes to the big brain machine, who maybe, just

819
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: maybe won't replace Colin Cowhard, he of many homes and

820
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: many companies, but that like that might somewhere down the

821
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Speaker 1: line replace a guy like me a few rungs lower

822
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Speaker 1: than you on the totem pole. Like the thought crossed

823
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 1: my mind, but so like it's will it have negative impacts? Absolutely?

824
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: Like will it cost people jobs? Absolutely? But will it

825
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: also like cure a disease and like save millions of lives? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think inevitably, And so I don't. I don't. I

827
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: don't try to get to apocalyptic on either side. And

828
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Speaker 1: I tend to think that, Like I actually have a

829
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Speaker 1: job that is like in a pretty good spot for it,

830
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Speaker 1: pretty immune, pretty pretty immune for it, right, like live

831
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Speaker 1: live TV is pretty safe.

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00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it feels like live TV is pretty safe.

833
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, so like I selfishly personally feel okay, like,

834
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Speaker 1: but like the person who writes the catchy headlines for

835
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Speaker 1: the bottom line on our TV show, I don't know

836
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Speaker 1: that job might be able to be done by by

837
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Speaker 1: AI if I'm being totally candid with you, so like,

838
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, I again like net negative net positive, Like

839
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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna we're gonna see and so I'm

840
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: not I'm not apocalyptic, but I'm not also like totally bullish,

841
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: like I'm the most excited about it that I've ever been.

842
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: Like I think there's gonna be good and bad that

843
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: comes from it.

844
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's I I just like the social

845
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: lubrication of I like to call my attorney. I like

846
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 2: to call like just sometimes I'm like I need an answer.

847
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: I want to talk to a human. It's more comforting

848
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: than a computer. So I you know, there's a lot

849
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 2: of things. But you're you're you're.

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Speaker 1: Sixty, like right, like will someone who's twenty five who

851
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: doesn't have an accountant yet because they're not making any

852
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: money yet, Like will they feel the need to do that?

853
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Well, I mean, listen to my idea.

854
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: We had an entire industry, the cab industry, I mean

855
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: got replaced. Yeah, like yeah, I mean, like just it

856
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: does happen. The typewriter went away, cabs went away. I

857
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: mean it's it's made our job. The Internet's made our

858
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: job a thousand times easier instead of like reading seven

859
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: newspapers what I used to do in Las Vegas, where

860
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: I I mean literally I had two newspapers. I mean

861
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: it was just insane what you had to do to

862
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: do a sports talk show host and sports anchor.

863
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: When when I was an intern for ESPN one thousand

864
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: uh in Chicago, one of my jobs every day was

865
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 1: to like print out the baseball standings and like hang

866
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: them in the studio and then like take the like

867
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: agate page of the newspaper and like magnify it and

868
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: blow it up and put it at each of the

869
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: host stations so that they could see like the box

870
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: scores from the night before, because you couldn't like just

871
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: pull it up on the computer easily. So yeah, like

872
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: now if I'm filling in for you doing a solo

873
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: three hour radio and television show, and I can't think

874
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: of a fact I'm a good enough speaker and thinker

875
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: and typer that I literally can be looking into a

876
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: camera on National TV talking into a microphone and I

877
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: know I could say something in your producers would help

878
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: me out with it. But like I can google, like

879
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: you know Anthony Edwards age because I'm like, I can't

880
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: remember if he's twenty four or twenty five, and it'll

881
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: pop up. So Yeah, the technology is amazing and it's

882
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: made our job a lot. Sorry, I was just yes

883
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: andending you there.

884
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 2: The NFL combine is something and I think I we

885
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: touched on this earlier. I I it EBB and flows

886
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 2: on what I talked about college football got too regional.

887
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,479
Speaker 2: I stopped talking about to a large degree.

888
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: Now it's back.

889
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: Jim Harborough brought it back. The Big Ten brought it back.

890
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 2: Now I talk about it all the time, the NFL combine.

891
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 2: I am out on. I am out on the NFL

892
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: the last two years.

893
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: Basic were you ever in? Yes, you were?

894
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think probe I think for a

895
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 2: long time it was just NFL and I loved I like.

896
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: I like the convergence of college and pro.

897
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: I love the draft. I love the combine that makes.

898
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 2: Sense, but it's so rehearsed. Many of the stars don't

899
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: show up. I don't care about people's hand size.

900
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: I really don't care.

901
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: And the truth is, I think one of the things

902
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: that's really smart. One of the reasons I love the

903
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 2: way the la Rams do business is they're not They're

904
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: willing to say things and do things that other people won't.

905
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 2: They just said several years ago, we're not going that.

906
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: We do our own homework. We have tape, we can

907
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 2: go to the Senior Bowl. We're not doing a quick

908
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: fifteen minute interview where Johnny Manzel had NFL teams believing

909
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 2: he was Peyton Manning. It's like, let's ride I never want.

910
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: It's a bullshit seminar and it's just polished visa. The agents.

911
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: These guys come in with talking points. They train in Phoenix.

912
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: You know, everybody runs their fastest forty. Everybody's got abs.

913
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: You know, it's like everybody has their best vertical. It's football.

914
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: By October twelfth, nobody runs a four to three, not

915
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 2: even the four to three guys. They've got a bad hip,

916
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: they've got an ankle spring like like the whole league's

917
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: beat up by week six. It's just it's a sport

918
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: of attrition. You're just trying to get your best players available,

919
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: like down the stretch. So I find myself, like, we

920
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: know who's going to go number one? Is there anything

921
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: that you have moved out of Like, I'm just not.

922
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: I was never a home run derby guy, for instance.

923
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 2: I was now so that I was never in. I

924
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: didn't leave it Pro Bowl. I've joked, I've never watched

925
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: four plays. I think the last time I watched the

926
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl. Walter Abercrombie was a running back for the

927
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: Baylor Bears and the Steelers briefly. I don't even know

928
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: where he played, Like I remember watching it.

929
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: He had a big run.

930
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 2: I think it was him.

931
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:18,959
Speaker 1: So I don't.

932
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: I don't watch that combine I used to. I'm it

933
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: doesn't do a thing for me. Now I turned it

934
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: on for twenty minutes today and I moved over to

935
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: the NBA and said more interested.

936
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the combine like that was one that I

937
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: always I I understood it because the NFL is just

938
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: the cash cow and it's the thing that makes the

939
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: whole business go. But like, man, these networks really invested

940
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: in their combine coverage. They're they're on live for the

941
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: whole time that you know, Rich Eisen is running the

942
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: forty like he's participating, right, like you know what I mean.

943
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: Like they made it into like big business in big TV.

944
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: And the whole time, I was like, this is the

945
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: underwear Olympics for a draft that like I'm not sure

946
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: we like should be having. And it's just like they

947
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: it's between all the college football tape and the in

948
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 1: person interviews and the pro days and like the number

949
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: one pick never throws like it's just like it's just

950
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: go get your height and your weight measured basically. Like

951
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: So I just I never was that enthralled by it

952
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: and was kind of amazed that these networks could get yeah,

953
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: eight hours a day of televised content out of it.

954
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 1: So I've never been a huge combine guy. Regular season

955
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: college basketball is something that I very much used to

956
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: love and now yeah, really I think America did. Yeah,

957
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: I used to love it, and part of it part

958
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: of was age too, to be honest with you, Like,

959
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: just like I went to Syracuse that that program mattered.

960
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: Then I worked in Kansas City, so I was around KU.

961
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: That program mattered, good college basketball markets. But then, like you,

962
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: you grow further, you grow up, you grew further away

963
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: from your alma mater, you moved to a sport market.

964
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: You realize that, like you know, it doesn't matter, like

965
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: you doesn't You can go they're ten and eight in

966
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: the Big Ten and make the tournament and then make

967
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: a run. So like one game doesn't mean all that much.

968
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: So you regular season college basketball has lost me tremendously.

969
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's really interesting. The advantage to age

970
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: is hopefully over the course of your life you've consumed

971
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: enough interesting things and had interesting relationships that you have

972
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 2: a little bit you can impart a little bit of wisdom.

973
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 2: And I've said this before for a twenty for any

974
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: sportscaster that's eighteen to thirty five. The two things you

975
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 2: missed out on boxing was freaking unbelievable. Yeah, like great athletes,

976
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: big personalities, Haggler, Hearns, Leonard Duran Ali. I mean it

977
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 2: was just insane, young Tyson. The second thing is goddamn,

978
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: the Big East was unbelievable.

979
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: Oh, it's one of the best thirty for thirties. Ever,

980
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: the all the coaches hated each other. The coaches were

981
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: Beatino and Thompson and Beheive and PJ. Carlissimo and Louis Carniseca.

982
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: I was a West Coast kid. I never watched the

983
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 1: PAC twelve. I was like, I watched the Big East

984
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: and those are the and so it's very hard for

985
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: you and I because you know the Big East year

986
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: old enough. It is hard now to watch what college

987
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: basketball is now. I mean I love watching Gonzaga Duke

988
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: or the you know, like to go watch this kid

989
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: at BYU or Darren Peterson. But you tell thirty year

990
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: old sportscasters, yeah, there would be like Georgetown would have

991
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: four NBA guys and there would be fights regularly in games.

992
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 2: Often the coaches were at each other.

993
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: Shroat oh like yeah, Matt, Yeah. The old Big East

994
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: was incredible. And then when I was when I was there,

995
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: it was when the Big East like before you know,

996
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: the schools left to go to the ACC, but the

997
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: Big East blew up and it was a sixteen team conference.

998
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: It was still like I still feel like I the

999
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: end of it. Because John Thompson's kid was coaching Georgetown,

1000
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: jay Wright was at Villanova, Patina was at Louisville. Bayheim

1001
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: was still at Syracuse, jay Wright was at Villanova, Bob

1002
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: Huggins was at West Virginia. And so I'm a student

1003
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: reporter going down to Madison Square Garden to cover Big

1004
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: East Media Day and all of those coaches are sitting

1005
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: there at tables. I'm like, man, this is a big deal.

1006
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: So that's two thousand and six, seven eight, you know that.

1007
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: But post conference realignment and football driving the bus for everything,

1008
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: and it broke up the basketball super conferences. And then

1009
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: you add in Nil, which I am in general in

1010
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: favor for, but it's changed that aspect of it. And

1011
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: then a lot of the famous coaches, you know, Jay

1012
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 1: Wright's like, I don't want to do this. I don't

1013
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 1: want I don't want to recruit my freshmen to stay

1014
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: for my sophomore year. I can make more money in TV.

1015
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: You know. Coach k retires, Jay Wright leaves, Roy Williams leaves,

1016
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: Beheim leaves, a lot of the big personality coaches leave,

1017
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: and it's it's still is a again March madness. I

1018
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: used to joke in Chicago because it's not a big

1019
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: enough college sports market. I would say, like when I

1020
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: was doing mornings or like mid days, I was like,

1021
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: I'll work because I'm off the air. At one I

1022
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: was like, but you guys don't deserve to have me

1023
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: on the air in the afternoons during during the opening

1024
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,479
Speaker 1: of the turn because you don't care enough. You guys

1025
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: want me to like spring training Cubs baseball, and I'm like,

1026
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I got six bets going on on these Jmax, Yeah, yeah, oh,

1027
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 1: the the opening. It's the best man sixty sixty four

1028
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: down to sixteen over four days, single elimination upsets, four

1029
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: games at a time, starting at noon ending at eleven PM,

1030
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: like that that is the best. Like I still get

1031
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: totally amped up for it. I just now come into

1032
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: it with a lot less regular season body of work

1033
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: knowledge because of the job. Like we're doing more NBA,

1034
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: We're doing NFL year round in Chicago, I was doing

1035
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: baseball year round. Like, so, I just you know, my

1036
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: team sucks. Syracuse is terrible. So I fully admit that

1037
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: I parachute in to college basketball now in a way

1038
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: that I used to never before. I used to be

1039
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: like into it and be watching early season tournaments and

1040
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: going to games. Yeah, and the whole thing, man, And

1041
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: it was great. It was great, Like I mean, this

1042
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: is again a little inside baseball, but I know you'll

1043
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: like it. Like Jim Bayheim, he used to have open practices.

1044
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: You can just go. You can go as a student reporter.

1045
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: You can just the whole thing. You can just walk

1046
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: in and watch in practice. I watched. I watched dozens

1047
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: of Syracuse basketball practices from second row. It was the greatest.

1048
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 1: Was like a real cool like then you could ask

1049
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: questions at the press conferences and he would chew you

1050
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: out like he was a real guy. He used to

1051
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: call in Colin to my postgame show. He would be

1052
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: driving home and he'd hear me say something. He was

1053
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: so like he had such rabbit ears that if the

1054
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: local if national media ever criticized him, he never said anything.

1055
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: But if local media ever criticized him, he was like,

1056
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm the biggest game in town. And he was, uh,

1057
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: but like and he left and look at him now,

1058
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. You know he was on hundred percent right.

1059
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: But I used to be like, oh, man, Daheim's over

1060
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: the hill. He's got his kids playing on the team.

1061
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, we need some new blood in there. Now

1062
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: the school can't even they can't even make the n

1063
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: I T. It's pathetic. But I once had to take

1064
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: they had. This is so stupid. They had two names

1065
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: that Super College Basketball had, Brandon Trish and Scoop Jardine.

1066
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: I was like, you gotta name one of them the

1067
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: point guard. You know. It's it's like, it's like it's

1068
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: you know the old football adage you had two quarterbacks.

1069
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: You have none. You gotta have a point guard. Phone

1070
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: line rings for my postgame show, Carl screeners like it's

1071
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: Jim in Syracuse. I'm like, he's like that, You like,

1072
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: what put him on? Danny? I go, Jim, is this

1073
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: you goes? Listening to your show driving home from our win.

1074
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: By the way, he goes, I just want you to

1075
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: know that you say I need to name a point guard.

1076
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: If they're not pressing, you could bring the ball up

1077
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: across half of it doesn't matter. It was incredible. It

1078
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: was incredible, one of the greatest moments of my career.

1079
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, that's such a good point.

1080
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 4: That's why you're a Hall of Famer. Thanks for calling

1081
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 4: Jim first time. Don't be a stranger. And it was

1082
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 4: the greatest. So we've had a pretty good relationship ever since.

1083
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, he he would come on and be feisty. Yeah,

1084
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: it's great to I always liked him. And you know,

1085
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: people say all these coaches are overrated. Villanova's not the same,

1086
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: Syracuse is not the same. Don't don't tell me they're overrated.

1087
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 2: Thinking out Arizona, Patina was turned Saint.

1088
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: John's into I mean, just Patino's one of the greatest

1089
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: coaches ever.

1090
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, listen, I don't know if you know Doug Gottlieb,

1091
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: but I know Doug Gottlieb. So he takes over a

1092
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 2: program in a big conference, small or smaller conference, but

1093
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: it's it's not a great conference and the program is

1094
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: a mess.

1095
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1096
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 2: Last time I looked at the standings, they were in

1097
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 2: second in year two. So it's like, you know, and

1098
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: I'm thinking he was doing a radio show and coaching like,

1099
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: but he was. You know, he's a bit of a

1100
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 2: savant with college basketball. I mean, he knows everybody, he

1101
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: lives and he breathes that, he sleeps it. But my

1102
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: takeaway is, yes, coaching matters, Like let's let's stop like Beheim.

1103
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: Syracuse was fascinating because I know you went to college

1104
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 2: there and are probably proud of it. But I remember

1105
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: going to that campus and thinking, man, it's not the

1106
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: prettiest thing. Like what does he sell kids? I mean

1107
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: it's kind of in the middle of nowhere. How did

1108
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: he well, I mean listen, it was I mean the dome,

1109
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: the players, you know what I mean. There were recruiting

1110
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: violations right like nil before nil, so like that was

1111
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: a part of it for sure, but everybody was doing that.

1112
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 2: He sold a brand of basketball. Come play my two

1113
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: three zone. Yeah, matchup zone, so you can, but you

1114
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 2: don't have to use as much energy on defense and

1115
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 2: then run on offense.

1116
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: Not a lot of design plays, a lot of pick

1117
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: and rolls, a lot of transition, a lot of like

1118
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: NBA stop, a lot of NBA.

1119
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 2: Style off Well. Yeah, I mean his his is the

1120
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: key to him. He always had incredible length. His teams

1121
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 2: were fast and long and looked like pro teams.

1122
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he would recruit for his system, so he

1123
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: would his His selling point was basically like, go get

1124
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: your numbers. However you can get your numbers, like, play

1125
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: your brand of basketball on offense, play my brand of

1126
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: basketball on defense, and you will play in front of

1127
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: more people than you'll play in front of at Madison

1128
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: Square Garden or Staples Center. They put thirty thousand people

1129
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: in there for college basketball games Inmber with three feet

1130
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: of snow outside, like the Dome in its heyday would rock.

1131
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: And it was just like a oh yeah it was.

1132
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: And it was like a singular thing, like Cameron is

1133
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: an amazing place, and allen Field houses maybe the best

1134
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: venue I've ever seen a sporting event at, Like it's

1135
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: you know, the smaller loud places are very very special,

1136
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: but the Dome is a one of one thing, you know,

1137
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: Like thirty thousand people for regular season college hoops games

1138
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,919
Speaker 1: was a regular occurrence. You would set the they set

1139
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: the attendance record every year. They would pick a game

1140
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: they'd sell just a few extra tickets to say it's like, oh,

1141
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna set the record against Duke, we're gonna set

1142
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: the record against Louisville, we're gonna set the record against Villanova,

1143
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: and thirty three thousand, thirty four thousand people, and so

1144
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: it was just a that's what it was. And he

1145
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: would recruit like a very Baltimore, DC, New York like

1146
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: he would just he had his yes he had his

1147
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: area of the country that he recruited from, and it

1148
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: was it was a pipeline.

1149
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, what would you do with Darren Peterson who had

1150
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 2: missed at one point eleven of twenty seven games. Jeff

1151
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 2: Goodman was on my show last week and said, I

1152
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: think it's gotten into his head. And what would worry

1153
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 2: me is Markel Foltz and Royce White and Jordan Speith

1154
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 2: and David Duvall and some own biles. And when stuff

1155
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 2: gets into an athlete's head, that's I used to have

1156
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 2: a therapist that used to say this. He said, be

1157
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 2: careful what you put on the merry go round upstairs,

1158
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 2: because it's hard to get it off. And then you're

1159
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 2: nineteen or you're twenty and you're on a college campus

1160
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 2: and you're getting crucified on social media, and we didn't

1161
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 2: deal with that stuff, like, like, do you think it's

1162
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 2: a like, I mean's obviously a really talented player, but

1163
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 2: it does. My take is if he goes into the

1164
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: tournament doesn't play plays poorly, it's like I think I

1165
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 2: struggled to draft him number one, Like in a loaded

1166
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 2: draft with like eight really good players, it's like I

1167
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 2: may take him three I don't know. It's like right

1168
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 2: now it's number one, but when you hear it's in

1169
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: his head, I'm like, that's not a great place for

1170
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 2: young people to be basketball or not.

1171
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think when you watch him, I'm like, oh,

1172
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: is that Anthony Edwards or Kobe Bryant or Dwayne Wade,

1173
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: Like he looks like he is gonna be a like

1174
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: an NBA All Star for a decade, elite scorer.

1175
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 2: Oh, it's got some Kobe comps.

1176
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: Yes, you know. So it's like, so I'm interested in

1177
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: that at number one, Like as a basketball talent, he

1178
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: needs to explain it, like like this is one where

1179
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: the pre draft workouts and interviews and what he does

1180
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: the rest of the way and the tournament to your point,

1181
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: like they're gonna matter a lot. Now you said three,

1182
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: I tend to think the floor is two. Like I think,

1183
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, Debansta looks awesome, right, like, yeah, six eight

1184
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: length plays hard, can score well.

1185
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 2: Boozer, Cameron Boozer's got a lower ceiling. I think he's

1186
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 2: a really really good player place for twenty years eighteen.

1187
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: I mean Luke's hands feet, but the ceilings.

1188
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: Lower right, well exactly though, but That's kind of my

1189
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: point is that, like, there's a lot of good players

1190
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: in this draft, but if you get the number one pick,

1191
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: like you're trying to get the franchise Alterroer, You're trying

1192
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: to get the face of the league, the face of

1193
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: the franchise, the best player on the title team, And

1194
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: Peterson clearly has the ceiling of that. So I think

1195
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: you're still going to see teams be willing to strike

1196
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: out on it. And like the phrase boomer bust for

1197
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: prospects exists for a reason, like he's got boom and

1198
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: he's got busted. Debansta might have enough of the ceiling

1199
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: where he goes one and Peterson goes too. Because of this, Like,

1200
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: I do think that's in play, but I don't think

1201
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: him going any lower than two is realistic barring like

1202
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: a I don't even want to, like a serious medical issue,

1203
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: a serious admission on his part of like, yeah, I

1204
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: don't know if I love basketball, which I don't think

1205
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: is the case. No, nobody says that, no, that's not

1206
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: the case, But I'm just saying, like I think that

1207
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: there would have to be something shocking to come out

1208
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: in the next few months for him to fall any

1209
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: lower than two. I think. I think one is the

1210
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,439
Speaker 1: ceiling and two is the floor, right.

1211
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 2: Danny Parkins, Are you back from vacation in the Bahamas,

1212
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 2: which is an unbelievable place, and I don't go to

1213
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 2: on vacation for a while a couple of weeks. Yeah,

1214
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 2: I'm I'm head and east it is. I will say this,

1215
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 2: that vacation thing, golf, sun, beach, cocktails. It doesn't get old. Yeah,

1216
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 2: you know, I used to when I was in my twenties.

1217
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 2: I was like, I want to get back to work.

1218
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 2: I never think that anymore.

1219
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, when you say like you're going again in

1220
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, I don't know what I'm going again,

1221
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: Like you have more time off than me. But it was, listen,

1222
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: I mean it was. I love our job, I absolutely

1223
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: love it. But yeah, this the week off was necessary

1224
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: and like, I think I found my perfect day as

1225
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: like a married man with young kids. First guy off

1226
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: on the golf course. So the first tea time that

1227
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: they would let me have is seven fifty in the morning,

1228
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: So I'd wake up kids and wife are still asleep

1229
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: out the door, go stretch, driving range, warm up. First

1230
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: guy off, Colin. I played this course in the Bahamas.

1231
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,479
Speaker 1: I played three times two and a half hours because

1232
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: I would play solo. So I play in two and

1233
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: a half hours by myself. Come back, wife and kids

1234
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: are up. They had a big breakfast. They're down at

1235
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: the pool. I meet him. I'm back by eleven. I'm

1236
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: a hero. I got eighteen eighteen holes in and I

1237
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: still have the full day. Then water park water slides

1238
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: with my boys. What's more fun than a water slide

1239
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: with a six year old? It's oh, it's.

1240
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 2: Great skiing and water slides where your young kids are

1241
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 2: the best.

1242
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: I went down the same to two dueling water slides

1243
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: that like you could like go at the same time

1244
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: and race down with you like that. My kid was

1245
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: all enough for We counted. We went down twenty seven

1246
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: times in a row. It was he was so tired.

1247
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: It was just like I would get the bottom, he'd

1248
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: be like again, and I'm like again. And then we

1249
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: went out to dinner at a great place at the resort,

1250
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: and then the and the kids crashed, and the kids crashing.

1251
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: The resort had a credited childcare and so we would

1252
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: be pay for a babysitter to come sit in the

1253
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: room while the kids sleep, and then my wife would

1254
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: get dressed up and we would go and we would

1255
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: like play blackjack and have cocktails and listen to some music.

1256
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, just what a day. And I did

1257
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: it six days in a row. It was the incredible good,

1258
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: incredible good for you. Thank you, sir, You've earned it.

1259
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 2: Great football season and I love when you come on

1260
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 2: podcast Buddy. Thanks Colin Danny Parkins.

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Speaker 5: per bet offered by the Seminal Tribe of Florida must

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Speaker 5: be twenty one plus and physically present in Florida to

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Speaker 5: the wager. Terms and conditions apply. If you were someone

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Speaker 5: you know has a gambling problem, please call one eight

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Speaker 5: threy three play Wise