1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound on. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: This is not Ukraine's fault. Rushaw bears ultimate responsibility. I 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: believe this is an opportunity for the administration to remove 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: what we're already misguided restrictions on US military aid to Ukraine. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: Russia is putting Ukrainian civilians and civilian infrastructure in its guds. 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: Floomberg Sound on Politics, Policy and perspective from DC's top name. 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: My fellow citizens, America's comeback starts right now, and let's 8 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: off a part of this one. We rise together back 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: to the boon and Yon Bloomberg Sound on with Joe 10 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The US and NATO say it 11 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: was not on purpose, but they're blaming Russia anyway. Welcome 12 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: to the fastest hour in politics. As President Zelenski keeps 13 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: the heat on Vladimir Putin it and Biden considers his options. 14 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: On the way home from the G twenty, we're joined 15 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: ahead by Kurt Vulker, former US Ambassador to NATO, on 16 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: what happens next. Later, leadership battles begin to settle in 17 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: the House and Senate, or are they We'll talk with 18 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: Drew Lippman, former chief of staff for Senator Al Frankin 19 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: the same sex marriage legislation, and Donald Trump makes it official. 20 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: We'll hit all these stories with our panel today, Bloomberg 21 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: Politics contributor, Democratic analyst Jeanie Schanzano, and Lisa Kamuso Miller, 22 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: former communications director for the Republican National Committee. So let's go. 23 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: We start with NATO and the US appeared to be 24 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: on the same page here when it comes to the 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: incident in Poland. Twenty four hours later after the headlines 26 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: first broke of the blast. This is Secretary of Defense 27 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: Lloyd Austin briefing reporters today. Our information supports what President 28 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: Dudah said earlier in his parliamentary assessment was that this 29 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: was most likely most likely a result of Ukrainian air 30 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: defense missile. But well at the investigation play out here, 31 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: President Vladimir Zolensky sees it differently. He blames Russia here, 32 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: he says the rocket that caused the explosion in Poland 33 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: came from Russia, and he's asking that Ukraine be part 34 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: of the investigation. It's unclear what happens with that. NATO 35 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: Secretary General again Stoltenberg's suggesting it doesn't matter either way. 36 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: We're blaming Russia here he is, this is not Ukraine's fault. 37 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: Russia bears ultimate responsibility as it continues it's illegal war 38 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: against Ukraine. So what should be in the response that 39 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: this was the result of a deliberate attack. That's the key, 40 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: And you have no indication that Russia is preparing offensive 41 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: military actions against natal President on his way back from 42 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: the G twenty via Hawaii now has some stuff to 43 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: think about here. He did speak to reporters for a 44 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: while while this was up in the air yesterday, but 45 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: he's got some time before he addresses the public and 46 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: the response. And that's where we start with Kurt Vulker, 47 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: the former US Special Representative for Ukraine negotiations. He knows 48 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: the people as well as the country. The former US 49 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: Ambassador to NATO. Mr Ambassador, thanks for coming back to 50 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: talk to us here. What shall be the responses? It 51 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: a military one? Well, thank you for having me. It's 52 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: great to be with you. I think that the most 53 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: important thing that we heard in all of that clip 54 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: that we just played is that no one believes that 55 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: this was an intentional Russian attack against a NATO ally. 56 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: It could have been a Russian fired missile, It could 57 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: have been a Ukrainian and air defense missile. That needs 58 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: to be investigated. But no one believes this was a 59 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: deliberate attack. So Russia doesn't want to be in a 60 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: war with NATO. NATO doesn't want to be in a 61 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: war with Russia. So we should avoid getting into a 62 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: situation where we wide into a war that nobody wants. 63 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: And I think that's that's where things are today. So 64 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: it seems leaders have succeeded in in in lowering the temperature, 65 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: will say, but there are those who believe Russia should 66 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: be sent a message. None of this would have happened 67 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: if it hadn't been busy bombing dozens of civilian infrastructure 68 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: sites throughout Ukraine. Do you just let it go exactly right? Yes, 69 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: that is exactly right. So first off, there needs to 70 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: be a very strong message of demand that Russia stopped 71 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: the terrorizing the civilians and the bombing campaigns in Ukraine. 72 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: I think we need to hear more of that, including 73 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: from NATO. Um there also needs to be a stepped 74 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: up support for air defenses in Ukraine. That's happening, but 75 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: some missiles and some rockets are still getting through and 76 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: that is knocking out civilian infrastructure. So everybody in Kiev 77 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: now and everybody in most other major cities is going 78 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: through periodic power outages, including heat and including water. So 79 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: paise because of this Russian bombing campaign's completely barbered. I 80 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: think we still have you, Ambassador. I want you to 81 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: hear from General Mark Millie, who spoke to reporters today 82 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: in that briefing UH with Lloyd Austin, speaking of the 83 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: fact that the power is out across a good chunk 84 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: of the country, civilian death surmounting, and we're headed for 85 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: a very cold winter. Listen to how he put it. 86 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: This is Mark Milly. We assess now that over a 87 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: quarter of Ukrainian civilians or without power. The deliberate targeting 88 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: of the civilian power grid, causing excessive collateral damage and 89 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: unnecessary suffering on the civilian population, is a war crime. 90 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: With the onset of winter, families will be without power 91 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: and more importantly without heat. Basic human survival and subsistence 92 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: is going to be severely impacted and human suffering for 93 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,799 Speaker 1: the any population is going to increase. That's the Chairman 94 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: of the Joint Chiefs Human suffering, Ambassador, war crimes. We're 95 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: predicting this all coming more of it for this winter. 96 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: I know that there are rules of the road here 97 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: and we're trying like hell to avoid World War three 98 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: in a direct conflict with Russian forces. But Ambassador, you 99 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: know the people of Ukraine. How do we sit here 100 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: for the next three or four months and watch this happen? Well, 101 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: it is appalling, and as I was saying, I think 102 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: that NATO needs to make a stronger demand of Russia. 103 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: Stop the bombing, stop the terrorizing the civilians. And this 104 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: is barbaric, it is unnecessary. Um, that's one thing. We 105 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: need to be helping Ukraines with air defenses so that 106 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: they shoot down more of these missiles. The ratio is 107 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: getting better between now, but still some are getting through. 108 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: And we also need, uh, you know, I think to 109 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: think creatively about how we can help Ukraine quickly repair 110 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: and store its energy grid, make sure that it is 111 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: able to keep the lights on. Um. Different types of equipment. No, 112 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: we should be turning to Central and East European allies 113 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: that have Soviet era equipment that might quickly go in. 114 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: We might want to think about whether we can provide 115 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: assistance that would quickly flip over some of their systems 116 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: to a Western system where the spare parts are more 117 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: readily available. They're going to need a lot of help 118 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: through this winner. It's going to be a long winner 119 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: for sure. At some point there's going to be a debate, 120 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: it sounds like, on Capitol Hill about funding for Ukraine 121 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: or will there be after this story? Does this? Does 122 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: this end the debate from the progressive left and the 123 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: conservative right that have begun complaining about this. Well, I 124 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: think that the progressive left quickly pulled back their letter. 125 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: They realized that it is not the time to start 126 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: negotiations with Russia, not when Putin is doing what he's 127 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: doing and determined to keep doing it. Um on the right, 128 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: you have some people who are questioning security assistance or 129 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: economic assistance to Ukraine. But I think this is being 130 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: channeled fairly successfully by incoming Speaker McCarthy when he says, look, 131 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: what we want is accountability and transparency, and that is 132 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: a reasonable demand. That's a reasonable thing for congressional oversight, 133 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: and I think it is a very achievable objective as well. 134 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: So rather than saying stop giving aid to Ukraine, I 135 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: don't think that's where the American people are anyway, but 136 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: making sure that the aid that we give is clear, transparent, 137 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: and that we are held accountable for where it goes. 138 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: If Russia is on the ropes here and we keep 139 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: pushing that. The whole idea behind this was to strengthen 140 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: Ukraine's hand at the negotiating table. Ambassador, when do we 141 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: have a serious conversation about that, Is it even possible 142 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: and and could the Minsk Agreements still be a platform 143 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: to negotiate a settlement? Well, I think the Minsk Agreements 144 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: are dead. The Minsk Agreements basically ratify a partial Russian 145 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: to takeover of portions of Ukraine that Russia has now 146 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: gone well beyond. It also called for the removal of 147 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: foreign forces i e. Russian forces, a permanent ceasefire that 148 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: was never put in place. I think this is now 149 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: well beyond. There needs to be something else in terms 150 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: of strengthening Ukraine's hand. I think that's exactly what's happening here. 151 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: Despite what we're talking about with the bombings and taking 152 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: out the electricity grid, Ukraine is actually winning on the ground. 153 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: They have pushed Russian forces out of overt of the 154 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: territory that Russia had conquered earlier in the war, including 155 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: the city of Hairstone, including outside of Hockey, including outside 156 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: of Kiev. So the Ukrainians are actually pushing the Russians 157 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: back and that is going to force the Russians to 158 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: recognize that they're not going to be able to keep 159 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: the gains that they've made, and that will set the 160 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: stage for negotiations. But we're not there yet, because Russia 161 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: is continuing to to fight, to drop these bombs into 162 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: try to lock in the gains that it still has left. 163 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: So they need to see that they're losing first. Is 164 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin determined then to push this through winter just 165 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: to inflict as much emotional damage as possible? And what 166 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: does that mean for our diplomatic core, ambassador, you know 167 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: what it's like to serve and Kiev this is a 168 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: target zone now, sure, no, it is um You know, 169 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: I was on the line with people in Kiev today, 170 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: people with the National Security Council and and people with 171 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: the media. Everybody is getting on with things. You know, 172 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: the power goes out for several hours, that comes back on. 173 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: People are working from home if they are subject to 174 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: the you know, the air raid, sirens and bombing is 175 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: actively going on. They stay at home, but the population 176 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: is back. People are getting on with life, and they 177 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: are incredibly determined and resilient to protect their country, to 178 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: win the war and make sure that Ukraine survives. They 179 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: don't have any other choice, and so they are remarkably resilient. 180 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: And as a diplomat, you want to be there with them. 181 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: You want to show that they have full support from 182 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: the United States and from the international community in their 183 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: fight to protect themselves and to maintain their independence. Well, 184 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: this is why we should salute all of their service, 185 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: and we thank you for your time. Ambassador Kurt Volker, 186 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: former US Special rep for Ukraine Negotiations, former US Ambassador 187 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: to NATO. As we bring you voices of expertise here, 188 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: like Kurt Volker every night on Bloomberg Sound On, we'll 189 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: assemble our panel next for two more voices. Genie is 190 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: with us Genie Chanzano, Bloomberg Politics contributor, joined tonight by 191 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: Lisa Kamusa Miller, former COMPS director for the Republican National Committee. 192 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: As we bring balance and perspective to the conversation. Following 193 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:45,479 Speaker 1: a while twenty four hours in Ukraine and in Poland's 194 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: We'll check traffic and markets for you on the way. 195 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. 196 00:11:53,880 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Is 197 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: he day in the Senate today where Mitch McConnell is 198 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: reelected as the Republican leader. We'll have more on that 199 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: coming up later on this hour as we keep our 200 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: attention on the events overseas and the looming response here, 201 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: presumably by President Joe Biden in the administration. We did 202 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: hear from the Pentagon today, of course, we heard from NATO. 203 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: We heard from the President loosely yesterday as he was 204 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: taking questions outdoors, but he's on his way back from 205 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: the Chief twenty now and they'll be a little bit 206 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: more opportunity for that later on here. With new calls 207 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: from Capitol Hill to loosen the strings on the types 208 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: of material that we are sending to Ukraine, let's assemble 209 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: our panel. Bloomberg Politics contributor Jeanie Schanzano is with US 210 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: Democratic analysts joined today. I'm glad to say by Lisa 211 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: Kamusa Miller, former Khams director for the Republican National Committee. 212 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: Great to have both of you with us here. Jeannie, 213 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: what does Joe Biden uh need to do when he 214 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: steps off the plane here. Surely he's talking with his 215 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: advisors and the best way to manage this, it's still 216 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: not exactly even own for sure what happened in Poland. Well, 217 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: first they need to find out and be clear on 218 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: exactly what happened, and we will get that information. But 219 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: as you hear the administration calling what Russia is engaged 220 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: in a war crime, the President is going to have 221 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: to very clearly tell the American public and more importantly, 222 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: tell Russia and putin what they are going to demand 223 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: in terms of getting Russia to stop this attack on 224 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: innocent civilians that has gone on. And the idea that 225 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, this was not um done purposefully is something 226 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: we keep hearing, and of course that may be the case. 227 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: But what was done purposefully with sending about a hundred 228 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: missiles into Ukraine and destroying people as we get to 229 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: the dead of winter, so that was purposeful. This was 230 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, collateral damage, and that's unacceptable and he's going 231 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: to have to say how we've respond to that, because 232 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: apparently it won't be with Article five? Does that require 233 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: a formal address and the president? Lisa, how does Joe 234 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: Biden do the right thing here? Oh? I think so. 235 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: I think that he probably will address the nation. I'm 236 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: not sure if it will happen before or after, but 237 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: certainly he's very calculated and making, um, you know, thoughtful 238 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: decisions about how we as a U, as the US, 239 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: approach this because obviously, if this does trigger Article five, 240 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: that makes a very big difference for how um we 241 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: proceed is a country and how we provide stability in Europe. Yeah, 242 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: I want to hear from Rob Portman. This is from 243 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: the Senate floor, Senator Rob Portman, Republican from Ohio, of course, 244 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: and you know, I won't say an ally, but well, 245 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: you know, a friend of of President Biden helped him 246 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: craft the infrastructure deal. He says, it's it's time to 247 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: get on with it and deliver everything that Ukraine is 248 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: asking for. Listen, at the very least, I believe this 249 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: is an opportunity for the administration to remove what we're 250 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: already misguided restrictions on US military aid to Ukraine. He's 251 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: talking about longer range weapons, genie tanks, fighter planes, presumably, 252 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: is this conversation going to continue it is, you know, 253 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: I think one thing that yesterday reminded all of us 254 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: is that we need to get this war done quickly. 255 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: And the fear of right now is that we're going 256 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: into a stalemate, a prolonged war at the heart of winter, 257 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: and so you need to get this over quickly. The 258 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: only way to do this is to pull off the 259 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: band aid and give them what they need to protect themselves. 260 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: We we've been told over and over what they need. 261 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: Now it's got to be delivered. And it's not just 262 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: the United States, it's also our allies, and that is 263 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: a big concern as well. So how do you turn 264 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: up the heat leave So I know you're not a 265 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: military analyst, but even politically, how do you turn up 266 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: the heat on Vladimir Putin so you force him to 267 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: the table or is that just not possible? Oh? I 268 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: don't necessarily know if it's possible to bring him to 269 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: the table, but I do think that and I hoped, 270 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: I hope Joe, that this quiets down a lot of 271 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: that contradictory language that was coming out of Leader McCarthy 272 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: just a couple of weeks ago about how it would 273 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: be more thoughtful and calculated about how how money would 274 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: be sent to Ukraine. I mean, that just doesn't make 275 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: any sense. That is absolutely it's toned up to what's 276 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: happening in um overseas. And and that to me alone 277 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: ought to be a signal to Capitol Hill, both on 278 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: both sides of the House and on both sides of 279 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: the of the building, that that this needs to be addressed, 280 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: and it needs to addressed quickly. And Progressive seemed to 281 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: kind of pull back their their concerns, at least they 282 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: retracted that letter, Lisa. But you know, there's another conversation 283 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: that's happening on Capitol Hill, and that's how to replenish 284 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: our own stockpiles, Lisa. How to Republicans work that into 285 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: the conversation here, because we've sent a lot of our 286 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: own gear, a lot of our own weaponry to Ukraine. 287 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, there's I mean, there's no question about it 288 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: that is something that we absolutely need to consider. But 289 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: we still are, I mean, by exponentially larger and more 290 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: equipped than any other nation on the globe. And so 291 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: I have to believe that with the extraordinary partnerships that 292 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: we have with all of the government contractors that we 293 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: work with. I mean, Joe, I really think that they 294 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: will be working as quickly and as hard as they 295 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: can to make sure that we are well positioned, not 296 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: only here in the homeland, but overseas as well. What 297 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: kind of a conversation is that, like, between the White 298 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: House and progressive Democrats than Jennie. We need more money 299 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: than we thought for military hardware and we don't have 300 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: a blank check, but we are going to be sending 301 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: a lot more money to Ukraine. Well, it's a conversation 302 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: the White House has to have with Progressives, has to 303 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: have with Congress, but more importantly with the American public. 304 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: You know, listen to what we hear from people like 305 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: Warren Davidson from Ohio. He's saying his constituents are telling 306 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: him we feel badly about Ukraine, but we're suffering here too, 307 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: and they use this analogy of putting your own mass 308 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: and oxygen mask on. That's a real fear that Americans have, 309 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: and the President and the Democrats and Republicans have got 310 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: to address that. So it's not just with representatives and senators, 311 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: it's with the American public as well, which is why 312 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,239 Speaker 1: Joe Biden needs to come out and say why this 313 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: isn't our interest because Americans have to write to say 314 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: we've spent billions of dollars. We are suffering here. Our 315 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: border is a mess, crime is up, inflation is up. 316 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 1: Why are we sending more? He's got to explain that 317 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: there is an explanation. It's the right thing to do, 318 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: but you can't just do it and leave people to 319 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: their own devices to feel that they've been robbed in 320 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: their own country. Well, there's lots of cover. They're certainly Genie, 321 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: thank you and Lisa, thank you. We will continue our 322 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: panel through the course of the hour. Lisa Camuso Miller 323 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: and Jennie Chanzano. I'm gonna put my oxygen mask on 324 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: as we turned back to what's happening in the back 325 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: rooms on Capitol Hill. Fascinating leadership battles in both the 326 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: House and Senate. Neither apparently will change anything. So who 327 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: actually lost here? We'll talk with Drew Lippman coming up 328 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: on the fastest hour in politics, Sancho Matthew, this is 329 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg so interesting here. I have started to sound like 330 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: a broken record, but I'm just trying to keep track 331 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: of what's going on. Okay, it's been a week. It 332 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: has now been one week since Kevin McCarthy declared victory 333 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: in the House. And as I'm watching Donald Trump last 334 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: night at mar Lago, well, I thought maybe the whole 335 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: thing had just come together. Listen, exactly one week ago, 336 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: our citizens voted in the important mid term elections, and 337 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: despite a ridiculously long and unnecessary period of waiting, far 338 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: longer in fact than any third world country, just a 339 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: short time ago, the Republicans one back control of the 340 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: House of Representatives. Well, is that right? I'm thinking, Man, 341 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: how did I miss? Like terminals not working? No, it 342 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: hadn't been called. Now it could be. Of course, he 343 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: even named the lawmaker resists that, Kevin. I tell you, 344 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: Kevin Kylie, by God, glad that he was the guy 345 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: to put us over the top. But of course the 346 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: House has not been called. Republicans are one seat away 347 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: here to seventeen for the GOP. I mean, it's clear 348 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: how this story ends, but we've got to wait a 349 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: long time for votes to be tallied. In California. This 350 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: is basically why there's been so much upheaval in the 351 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: leadership battles. There might have been a challenge either way. 352 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: But as you remember Andy Biggs challenge Kevin McCarthy for 353 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: his leadership post in the House, it didn't work out 354 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: well for Andy Biggs. Kevin McCarthy lives to see another day. 355 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: But there was quite a revolt led by lawmakers like 356 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: Matt Gates, the congressman from Florida, who was kind of 357 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: dealing with this openly with reporters in the corridors of 358 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: the Capitol. Here he is, well, I think that the 359 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: conference is going to go through some soul searching, and 360 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: you know, we're we got to go through the stages 361 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: of grief here a little bit. There's some still in 362 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: denial believing that votes can get someone to be speaker, 363 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: and so once we moved through through that, I think 364 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: ultimately we'll work our way to acceptance for someone who 365 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: has brought support throughout the conference and can unitas. But 366 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: no one has come forward otherwise. And his colleague from Georgia, 367 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green, is with Kevin McCarthy. She says, there's 368 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: no time to be bickering about this. Now. We have 369 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: a very slim majority, and so this is why it's 370 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 1: so important for us to stay unified and get behind 371 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: him as our speaker, because we cannot open the door 372 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: to the Democrats peeling off several of our Republicans and 373 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: and working together to choose a speaker that they would control. 374 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: We have to have the gavel. Drew Lippman is policy 375 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: director at Brownstein Hyatt, Farber Shrek and former chief of 376 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: staff for Senator Al Frank And he has spent a 377 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,239 Speaker 1: lot of times in the corridors of power on Capitol Hill. 378 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: Don't you miss all this, Drew? Oh heck yeah. Actually 379 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: this is super interesting to people like me. It's like, 380 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: um baseball Pennant race sort of stuff. But everybody knows 381 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: how this series is gonna end, right, It's gonna be 382 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: miss McConnell and Kevin McCarthy, it is. And the McConnell's 383 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: stuff is straightforward. You know, in the Senate, to be 384 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: elected majority leader, you just need a majority of your 385 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: own caucus. It's not a Senate position, it's really a 386 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: caucus position from McCarthy. To be elected Speaker of the House, 387 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: that's different. He has to be elected by the whole House. 388 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: Now what he has one so far as not the speakership. 389 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: It's the Republican nomination to be Speaker, and that's why 390 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: the fact that he lost thirty one votes is significant 391 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: because if he's a Democratic votes for him, he's jammed up. 392 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: Of course, he's eventually going to go elected speaker. Is 393 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: no one running against him. But you could see how 394 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: the Republican uh if you want to call him, dissidents 395 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: or outliers, can make his life hard for a little while. Yea, 396 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: So this is an exercise in embarrassing Kevin McCarthy a 397 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: little bit. That's perfectly accurate, and Matt Gates will be 398 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: laughing all the way. I guess to the bank here. 399 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: But what about Marjorie Taylor Green? Is it because she 400 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: was invited to the big Commitment to America speech, she 401 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: vying for some certain committee. What's in it for her? Well, 402 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: what's in it for her, she believes, is a seat 403 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: on the House Oversight Committee, which is probably going to 404 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: be the most visible committee Republican controlled House, divided government. 405 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: No ledgis lation really going on, but there's going to 406 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: be a lot of aggressive oversight. Some of it might 407 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: be quite ridiculous, but it's going to be aggressive. They're 408 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: going to be on TV a lot, They'll dominate Fox 409 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: News they're gonna have a lot of hostile witnesses to question, 410 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: and you can see why Marjorie Taylor Green is salivating 411 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: for the opportunity live at the improv Well, so, okay, 412 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: let's shine the light on you here and your party drew. 413 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: A lot of people want to know what Nancy Pelosi 414 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: is gonna do if this does end up being a 415 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: House majority for Republicans. However, slim does she call it quits? 416 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: I don't know, And as of today, people close to 417 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: her still don't know. Every Democrat. That is incredible to 418 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: me that nobody can see inside this deliberation. Well, I 419 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: started on the hill with Barbara Boxer. She and Pelosi 420 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: represented adjacent house districts. So I was around Pelosi quite 421 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: a bit, and that's going back more than thirty years. 422 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: I've been around there plenty of times since. Really nobody knows, 423 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: and and that's probably because she's Pelosi. She doesn't have 424 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: to tell you in advance, because if she wants to 425 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: be the leader, she'll be the leader. She just has 426 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: to decide. It's not like she has to muster votes 427 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: or muster resources or get you know, big shots from 428 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: the outside. She doesn't have to get Barack Obama to 429 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: call somebody to ask for their vote. She can make 430 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: a decision at the very last minute if she wants to. 431 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: So is this gonna be a good year for Hakim Jeffreys? 432 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: I think probably, Yes, there's a good year coming for 433 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: Hakim Jeffreys. I think it's probably this year. Part of 434 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: what's interesting, though, is it's not just Pelosi. You have 435 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: Steenny Hoyer, you know, immediately below her in the leadership, 436 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: and James cliburn below Yer. Now, the average age of 437 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: those three leaders Felosi, Woyer and Cliburne has got eighty 438 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: one years. So so one of the big questions is, 439 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: and this is when I get asked a lot, if 440 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: one goes, if FELOISI goes today, all go? Or is 441 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: it just Pelosi? That's the an open question for Democrats. Well, fascinating, Drew, 442 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: Thank you. I love talking this out with you. Drew 443 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: Litton is policy director, Brownstein Hyatt former chief chief of staff. 444 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: Easy for me to say. For Senator Al Franken, same 445 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: sex marriage legislation moves forward in the Senate, an important 446 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: vote today. It's far from over, but still alive. And 447 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: we'll reassemble our panel with more on that coming up. 448 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. The fastest Hour in Politics continues. 449 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg, So long with Joe 450 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. On this vote, the yeas are 451 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: sixty two, the nays are thirty seven. Three of the 452 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: senators duly chosen and sworn having voted in the affirmative. 453 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: The motion has agreed to, and there it is. Same 454 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: sex marriage advances in the Senate. Senator John Hick and 455 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: Looper presiding as the vote count came in today. This 456 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: is not the end. This is a procede, real step, 457 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: but it's a necessary one on the way to passage. 458 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: Here sixty two thirty seven. What do you think? We 459 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: reassemble the panel here. This is one of the things 460 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: that Democrats said they would try to do in the 461 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: lame duck, and here we go. Jennie Schanzano was with 462 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,239 Speaker 1: US Democrat analyst and Bloomberg Politics contributor, joined today by 463 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: Lisa Kamuso Miller, former comms director at the r n C. 464 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: They are our panel. What do you think about this one? Lisa? 465 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: For Republicans, it's obviously something that not all Republicans support, 466 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: but are there enough there with Mitt Romney, for instance, 467 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: on board to make a difference. Absolutely, Joe. I mean, 468 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: I think the outcome of the election, my estimation is 469 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: that people were saying that they're tired of this kind 470 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: of rhetoric to back and forth. I mean, look, this 471 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: bill is is is to preemptively, uh stop the backslide 472 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: of same sex sex marriage if the Supreme Court were 473 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: to make a ruling that we're to be in some 474 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: way in contrast with that. So, yes, I do I 475 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: think that the party itself has come a long way. 476 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: I don't think that this this would even have been 477 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: something that would have come up as early as so 478 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: we're seeing progress. Yes, it's slow, but it is progress, 479 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: and we're seeing Republicans come over to the right side 480 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: of this. Of this decision, you need the Respect for 481 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: Marriage Act caught afy federal recognition of same sex and 482 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: interracial marriages. We should note twelve Republicans voted with all 483 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: Democrats on this. This never would have happened without the 484 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade ruling, right, it wouldn't because in his 485 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: concurring opinion, UH, Clarence Thomas said the President underpinning same 486 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: sex marriage should be quote reconsidered, and that, of course, 487 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: as Lisa was just saying, is what sparked this concern 488 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: and led to the passage of this in the House 489 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: and moving it to the Senate. And I think it's 490 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: truly a remarkable moment because you do have some Republicans 491 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: in the Senate who are concerned about the issue of 492 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: liberty and the religious liberty protections, and the Democrats did 493 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: massage the bill to address their concerns. And the hope 494 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 1: is that that was enough that they move even beyond 495 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: the vote today, as important as it was to passage, 496 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: and it gets to Joe Biden's desk, it would be 497 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: a momentous time. As the Court has suggested, not Clarence Thomas, 498 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: but otherwise do this work in the legislature, and that's 499 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: where they should do it. Congress has not done this 500 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: kind of work for a long time, leaving these rights vulnerable, 501 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: and they're doing it now well as we pick up 502 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: the pieces here from the mid term election cycle, and 503 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, all of this is informed, to Genie's point, 504 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: by by what voters told us a week ago tonight, 505 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: and it was last night at Marl Lago that Donald 506 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: Trump stood at the podium, of course, announcing that he 507 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: was officially running for president, and said, hey, you know 508 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: you won the House. What's the big deal? Listen? I 509 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: told them, I said, if you just keep a little 510 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: bit lower standard, you're gonna have a big victory. They said, 511 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: let's win by forty seats. Let's win by fifth. I said, 512 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: if you win by two seats, be happy. But she's 513 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: on her way to another country right now. She's been 514 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: fired talking about Nancy Pelosi. But of course, Lisa, uh, 515 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: does he have a point? You know, when you start 516 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: talking about winning fifties sixty seats, you know, some people 517 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: just look at this as a win or lose game. 518 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: If if you're in terms of messaging the success of 519 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: the party, I don't know. Is Donald Trump telling you 520 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: to lower your standards or be more realistic? I don't know. 521 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: But Joe I just have to laugh about all of that. 522 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Donald Trump is not a political mind. He 523 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: is not somebody that understands what the map was going 524 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: to look like. I mean, look, history absolutely positively showed 525 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: that Republicans were going to pick up a lot of seats. Unfortunately, 526 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: it was this this dissonance, the distracted messaging that was 527 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: coming out of these candidates that were hand chosen by 528 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, that caused that distraction, that caused voters to 529 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: go to the polls and deny that many seats to 530 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: be won by Republicans. And so I think he's trying 531 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: to save faith in those in those remarks from last night. 532 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you watch the speech. I'm sure 533 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: Jeanie uh is that the best news is that what 534 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me that Democrats could have going into 535 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew, I was watching a very good movie that 536 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: I turned off to put this on because in my 537 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: duty to you, I felt that I needed to. And 538 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: it was a painful hour, as Lisa's Lisa's chuckle indicates. 539 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: And I want to know if both you and Lisa 540 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: can say, what is it? Magaga make America great and 541 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: glorious again? It's a top twister there. Yeah, that's the 542 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: that's the new slogan that I learned. And yes, this 543 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: is a good moment for Democrats, but it's not a 544 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: good moment for the American people for democracy and certainly 545 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: not for the Republican Party. And one thing I am 546 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: curious to see does the party going forward try to 547 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: take steps like the Democrats did as they started to 548 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: lose in the nineteen seventies to ensure that the party 549 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: faithful and the elites and the party have more control 550 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: than the base, because that things like super delegates is 551 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: what will erupt out of this kind of takeover of 552 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: the party they've been experiencing since, which has cost them 553 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: so much power in Washington. Lisa, if you're Glenn Uncan 554 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: or Rhonda Santist, do you have any reason to hurry 555 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: an announce or or quite the opposite, you wait as 556 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: long as you can before you jump in. Well, I 557 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: don't think anybody's in a rush to announce. I think 558 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: Donald Trump probably had his own reasons for doing that. 559 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: But look, I think this is a cautionary tale, Joe. 560 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: I mean, we counted Donald Trump out in UH nights 561 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: that he was paying people to sit in the audience 562 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: to make it appear that he had supporters, when in 563 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: fact they were not. They were paid UH seat fillers. 564 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: This is the time when we need to be very 565 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: very cautious. I'm with Janie. I am waiting to see 566 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: I'm actually waiting to see more Republicans come out and 567 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: speak against and speak towards the future rather than going 568 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: backwards with Donald Trump as a candidate for twenty four 569 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm very very much interested to see if we can 570 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: get away from him. But I also think that we 571 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: need to watch closely because we have counted him out 572 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: before and he became the president. Sure, and you know, 573 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: a divided primary can make weird things happen. It's how 574 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: you win with But there's one that slipped through last night. 575 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: I felt like, uh, and I had certainly caught my attention, 576 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: maybe you two, Genie as you were popping your popcorn. 577 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: But the President did refer to not with the whole 578 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: stop the steel movement, but he added a new actor. Listen. 579 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: No president had ever saw it or received one dollar 580 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: for our country from China until I came along, and 581 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: we were getting hundreds of billions of dollars. Many people 582 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: think that because of this, China played a very active 583 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: role in the election. Just saying just saying, really, sure 584 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: that didn't happen. Really, China, Lisa, have you ever heard listen? 585 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: I realized that you were a very sensible, uh, political operative, 586 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: but if you heard this knocked around in any corners 587 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: of the Internet that the China medal in the election. No, 588 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: I have not. I mean, Joe, I, this is just 589 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: another one of those threads that Donald Trump pulls in 590 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: order to get his supporters to come uh and and 591 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: align with him. But but really, but what's unfortunate is 592 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: that there's no one to call him on it. There's 593 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: no one that calls nonsense when he says these kinds 594 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: of things. I mean, this just causes more dissonance in 595 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: the globe. No, there is no nothing, nothing in in 596 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,479 Speaker 1: what I have seen or heard that indicates that at 597 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: all this is a Donald Trump fabrication. Once again, I'm 598 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: assuming this goes nowhere, Jennie. Maybe the point is that 599 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: the fact that it wasn't picked up by any major 600 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: news agency says everything you need to know. It does. 601 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: And you know, we haven't even talked about it yet, 602 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: but I think it was very telling. Obviously, The New 603 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,959 Speaker 1: York Post has been on on Donald Trump for a 604 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: few days now, but the fact that they said floor 605 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: a man makes an announcement and then you had to 606 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: see page twenty six. I love um aclass the bottom 607 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: of the front page. Yeah, and you know, in all seriousness, 608 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 1: it's a great it's a great title. But in all seriousness, 609 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: I think one thing to watch for is how much 610 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: media coverage Trump gets, because let's not forget it was 611 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: the free media coverage he gets. He spent a lot 612 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: less than than Hillary Clinton. It was the free media 613 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: coverage that he's counted on. And of course you see 614 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: everybody from Rupert Murdoch to the New York Post to 615 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: a lot of elites in the Republican Party. The question 616 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,240 Speaker 1: is going to be that thirty percent you're talking about, 617 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: and if there is a crowded primary, it's easier for 618 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: him to win, which is why I'm not sure why 619 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: he wants to knock everyone else out early. He should 620 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: be hoping everyone comes in because then he has a 621 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: chance of winning this thing. In a head to head 622 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna be harder. Oh gosh, maybe he won't. I 623 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm very confused about that whole idea. Something 624 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: something part of me. Lisa feels like he just likes 625 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 1: the fight, to be honest with you, and looks forward 626 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: to the a debate stage because he's got to be 627 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: missing it. Lisa camu similar, thank you, Jeanie Chanzano, thank 628 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 1: you both for being with us and a great panel, 629 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: and it finally happened, likely while you were sleeping. Of course, 630 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: this thing gets off the path in the middle of 631 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: the night. We're heading back to the Moon, the Orion 632 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: spacecraft feeding towards lunar orbit as we speak, after a 633 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: beautiful nighttime launch, an unmanned mission that will set the stage. 634 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: Here we go. Listen, we rise together back to the 635 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: moon and beyond what we saw tonight. It's an a 636 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: plush like it looked like the sun was rising. Let 637 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: me take you on a little trip Basonic ship such 638 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: you're disposed and if you'll be so, what an amazing 639 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: day and what an amazing n I'm telling you we've 640 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: never seen such a tale of flame on the travel 641 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: faster than night. So do have your obicle dight and 642 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: we go anyway you want to decide. Today we got 643 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: to witness the world's most powerful rocket take the Earth 644 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: by sedges and shake the wicked Eyman rocket and it 645 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: was quite a sight. It's quite a safe thanks to 646 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: our panel, to Ambassador Kurt Vulcar and to Drew Lippman. 647 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 1: On the fastest hour in politics. I'll meet you back 648 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: here tomorrow from Washington. I'm Joe Matthew, This is bloombird,