Speaker 1: It's one thirty seven am in the sixth Circle of
Speaker 1: Hell and you're listening to Night Call. Welcome to Nightcall,
Speaker 1: a podcast keep you company during those strange days and
Speaker 1: movie nights. I'm Emily Yoshida. I am here in New
Speaker 1: York City. With me on the other line in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles is Small Lambert. And also with Emily in New
Speaker 1: York this week is Darcy Wilder. Special guest Darcy Wilder.
Speaker 1: So guest Darcy Wilder. We've been trying to book We've
Speaker 1: been trying to book her for a long time. Guys,
Speaker 1: this is air tight. We had to go through a
Speaker 1: lot of people. Yeah, Darcy's playing the role of tests
Speaker 1: this week. Test us out with some Jerry Duty. Good
Speaker 1: good luck to you. We want to just we just
Speaker 1: burned a cool five minutes trying to decide what the
Speaker 1: righting of was Yeah used to be in We were
Speaker 1: like Emily was like, we can't. We have to get
Speaker 1: the one that we would want to be associated with.
Speaker 1: So we went with hearsay. I believe yeah, because we
Speaker 1: were just being very shady off being shady so before
Speaker 1: the show started, and you don't want to be like
Speaker 1: violent where it's no I don't want to be I
Speaker 1: don't want to own that. I feel like Emily has
Speaker 1: been talking about medieval torture and death a lot on Twitter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but not not from a pro perspective, just in a
Speaker 1: like of when we stopped doing that. I've been so
Speaker 1: into the medieval, the middle and never before. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: it's having a moment. Well, it is having a moment
Speaker 1: because it's another thing the alt right is trying to
Speaker 1: steal what medieval all this that's fair. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: all right. But I saw that I thought of you, yeah,
Speaker 1: because that was when we went to the Renaissance Fair
Speaker 1: Andrew t was like, yeah, how is this not like
Speaker 1: super racist? And I was like, because it's l a
Speaker 1: so it's like better than you would expect by another year.
Speaker 1: It's a little Yeah. I mean I've I was never
Speaker 1: into the medieval, and then I've gone to the Renaissance
Speaker 1: Fair a couple of times now with our friend Jane Murray,
Speaker 1: and I liked the Renaissance Fair and I get into
Speaker 1: it from a medieval torture perspective. Emily, what what made
Speaker 1: you start thinking about the wheel of death all the time? Well, okay,
Speaker 1: so I um, I think I started talking about it
Speaker 1: because I was watching Oh because I had seen Unfriended
Speaker 1: Dark Web, which is UM. A lot of that movie
Speaker 1: is about snuff films UM, and it kind of sent
Speaker 1: me down a very kind of like because that's the
Speaker 1: dark webs, what is the arc of human experience? Send
Speaker 1: like like this this watching this movie, this like kind
Speaker 1: of stupid horror movie that has some sort of like
Speaker 1: just because of the way it's made, makes you really
Speaker 1: kind of believe that you could be watching a real
Speaker 1: snuff film, and like, my my mind just recoils. But
Speaker 1: then I just started thinking about how like one unmidieval
Speaker 1: person recoil at that at that like if you're seeing
Speaker 1: people being dragged down street every day and torn limb
Speaker 1: from limb and like broken on the wheel and everything.
Speaker 1: We're gonna throw in a fun fact I learned for
Speaker 1: another podcast but didn't get to say, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say it here, which is that when when Wes Craven
Speaker 1: was making The Last House on the Left, apparently the
Speaker 1: actress who started it wasn't sure the whole time if
Speaker 1: it might just be a snuff film because it was
Speaker 1: so low budget, and they were like, it's also really
Speaker 1: dark and rape yea, and they probably weren't you know,
Speaker 1: up to code as far as taking care of talent
Speaker 1: and all of that was the thing they were like
Speaker 1: it was so low budget that like she wasn't sure
Speaker 1: and she'd been in some exploitation films before, but she
Speaker 1: was genuinely a little bit worried that, like the big
Speaker 1: finale was going to be that they killed her, but
Speaker 1: they didn't. Yeah, that kind of that kind of you know,
Speaker 1: I've never seen that movie and I don't really plan on. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's really good. It makes you feel real like scuzzy inside,
Speaker 1: like some of those seventies exploitation movies too. But that's why.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is like I feel like everybody goes
Speaker 1: through a period, some of them lifetime that you seek
Speaker 1: out that kind of stuff because you're like, oh somebody,
Speaker 1: what if somebody, you know, faces death? Stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And I feel like the first stuff that came on
Speaker 1: the Internet was all that stuff like rotten dot com, Like, hey,
Speaker 1: here's the internet. You can use it to see somebody
Speaker 1: dying in a video, which is what we were talking
Speaker 1: about last week with Ben's VR experience. Like the first
Speaker 1: thing you do when you have a new piece of technology, like,
Speaker 1: what's it like to me some death? This brings us
Speaker 1: to our our our topic that we wanted to discuss
Speaker 1: with Darcy this week. Yeah, we have a sub topic
Speaker 1: before we get start with Fanny to die. The main
Speaker 1: in a Fanny pack. The main threst of this episode
Speaker 1: is uh. This episode is called Darcy's Inferno. It was
Speaker 1: inspired by Darcy's obsession with Dante's Inferno. We'll get to
Speaker 1: that in a moment, but first Fannie packs Darcy. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm Darcy Wilder. Um, I'm on Twitter. I'm three three
Speaker 1: three three three three three three three four three three
Speaker 1: three three three. I messed up when I was trying
Speaker 1: to tell my husband what your Twitter? I just say,
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of three, Like, I can't believe you
Speaker 1: know how many three? Sir said many times nine? It's
Speaker 1: nine in the beginning and then five, and they do
Speaker 1: say code. The code was that I had an anonymous
Speaker 1: Twitter so that I could get a nine to five
Speaker 1: job and not have it be traced to me. How's
Speaker 1: that working out for you? I quit to be on
Speaker 1: my follow my dreams being on zoo Lander two ums,
Speaker 1: and I'm on Instagram, where I've been doing Hell Month, um,
Speaker 1: after Ladder Month and Knife Month, and I think I
Speaker 1: realized you said when you were doing the glass bricks
Speaker 1: and I couldn't stop seeing glass bricks everywhere. Now I
Speaker 1: see ladders everywhere. Yeah, when did you start doing the
Speaker 1: themed months? Was nine month the first one? Yeah? Because um,
Speaker 1: this teen I follow from New Orleans. I mean it
Speaker 1: comes from like stand Twitter and like you know, the
Speaker 1: underbelly of of maybe anime Twitter. And it was just
Speaker 1: like I think, taken from a culinary blog and it
Speaker 1: was just June is NiFe Month, and then they took that.
Speaker 1: So then I was like, I'll just post pictures of knives.
Speaker 1: And then I figured out that I really like a theme,
Speaker 1: so I picked, you know, the most boring one of
Speaker 1: which I know. That's the thing about picking a theme
Speaker 1: for your life, Like when I was doing the glass bricks,
Speaker 1: like if first everybody got into it with me in
Speaker 1: my life and then eventually they you have to stop
Speaker 1: so many interventions you're not going to get them off. Well.
Speaker 1: I like the idea of having a month cut off
Speaker 1: where you have to stop thinking about it after that month,
Speaker 1: because I know people are still sending you ladders, but
Speaker 1: you're like ladder months over now, I mean all the
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about you and Sailor Moon last night
Speaker 1: because I went to the observatory. I went on like
Speaker 1: a journey into my soul. I saw where your phone
Speaker 1: died and you had my phone went down the wrong
Speaker 1: side of the mountain, And then I don't think it's
Speaker 1: hitchhiking if you convince people to let you take an
Speaker 1: uber with them. But it's basically, it's basic. It's the
Speaker 1: newest paking. I was like wearing my Fannie pack that
Speaker 1: that was the whole thing actually was that I downloaded
Speaker 1: my stuff into a Fannie pack so I only needed
Speaker 1: my like so I didn't bring my wallet. And then
Speaker 1: I was like down on the other side of the
Speaker 1: mountain and I was like, oh, I didn't bring any
Speaker 1: of my stuff, So like all the hab is my wiles?
Speaker 1: What what what type of Fannie pack? Perhaps is there
Speaker 1: a beautiful, a beautiful Fannie pack. I bought at a
Speaker 1: store in Echo Park that a gift shop. They had
Speaker 1: them outside on the models and I said, how much
Speaker 1: is this? I think it's like fake East Bay. It's
Speaker 1: like East Bag. Yeah yeah, yeah, seven dollars and it
Speaker 1: has multiple I'm gonna take a picture of it and
Speaker 1: posted on the on the Night Instagram later. This is
Speaker 1: a fashion podcast also, Emily, could you tell could you
Speaker 1: tell our listeners about your outfit today? Oh it is
Speaker 1: My outfit was described. I thought that it would make
Speaker 1: Molly happy, just because I was wearing both my jackline
Speaker 1: and shirt, which I got in Tokyo or don't know,
Speaker 1: I got it in Osaka. I got all my good
Speaker 1: shirts in Osaka, and then um, and then my Dodger's hat,
Speaker 1: which because it's just a horrible day today and uh
Speaker 1: in New York it's very hot and miserable, and I
Speaker 1: was telling Darcy that the hotter it gets, the more
Speaker 1: I just started to dress like a child. Um, just
Speaker 1: wearing like what I imagine a kid wears when they
Speaker 1: go to a theme park, so that the parent never
Speaker 1: loses talk of them, because they're wearing like a bright
Speaker 1: color and like a hat I like, And I like
Speaker 1: that style too. I realized I was dressed as as
Speaker 1: a mast from Earthbound. Recently Fanni packs Fannie. Yes, mine
Speaker 1: fits my phone charger, which I find helpful. Is this
Speaker 1: the one right here? Because I can see you have
Speaker 1: a lovely black herschel? Thank you, Fannie Pack. I got
Speaker 1: this in the mail today. Oh nice. But I've been using.
Speaker 1: My friend Chrissie gave me a Fannie pack in two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen and I was like, this is perfect
Speaker 1: because it's an Arizona iced tea any pack that's the
Speaker 1: pattern of you know, the green tea with honey yea.
Speaker 1: And I tried to wear it and I was like,
Speaker 1: the zeitgeist was not where it needed to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: right now, could rock that. And so I've been using
Speaker 1: that and it's great, But um, who told people to
Speaker 1: wear fanny packs over their shoulders? I don't. I really
Speaker 1: dislike it. Against it hard And this is my most
Speaker 1: controversial opinion. And I felt so guilty too because people
Speaker 1: were tagged in the comments and I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't it was a moral judgment I cast on them
Speaker 1: and I don't think like I I try to avoid those,
Speaker 1: but it's just like it seems really cloying to wear
Speaker 1: it around your well, you have something heavy in it
Speaker 1: in order to do that, Otherwise it'll just sell off
Speaker 1: your shoulder. I only know this from experience of trying
Speaker 1: to wear I will admit it on the air here.
Speaker 1: I tried to wear a fanny pack over my shoulder
Speaker 1: once a coach ella. I don't know why exactly. For
Speaker 1: some reason, I thought that it wasn't going to work
Speaker 1: around my waist with whatever I was wearing, so I
Speaker 1: was like, I get it out of the way, and
Speaker 1: like it changes a silhouette. Yeah, yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: had so. Yeah. I also tried in I impulsively got
Speaker 1: a jam sport one that I since disposed of because
Speaker 1: I was like, when our Fannie pack is going to
Speaker 1: come back? And I was trying it out and I
Speaker 1: was like, why did I spend twenty dollars on this
Speaker 1: dumb bag? And I tried it a shoulder bag and
Speaker 1: I was like, well, this will never work, and like
Speaker 1: donated it. But I just think it's like trying so hard,
Speaker 1: and if I wanted a shoulder thing, I would just
Speaker 1: have my backpack but put something in it, saying it's
Speaker 1: like a Fannie pack is for when you don't want
Speaker 1: the shoulder weight of a backpack, but I hadn't noticed
Speaker 1: it yet. I feel like it was only in fashion
Speaker 1: magazines at first, and then it's like one of those
Speaker 1: things where they're like models off duty do this thing.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you like to be like a bottle off duty
Speaker 1: just in the street wearing fanny pack in a weird way?
Speaker 1: And then I saw it for the first time in
Speaker 1: the wild last week at this podcast because the podcast
Speaker 1: studios on Melrose, which is where all the hype pieces
Speaker 1: in l A hang out, and I saw like a
Speaker 1: lot of teenagers doing it. Mm hmmm, and I would
Speaker 1: like just fall off, And don't you just look like
Speaker 1: a fool all the time when you do it like constantly?
Speaker 1: It just was part of the look. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think there's maybe like nothing in it. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: that's that's that's even that's even harder because you have
Speaker 1: if you have a weight in it, then it will
Speaker 1: kind of at least dig into your shoulder a little
Speaker 1: bit and hang there. It's like wearing an empty topebag.
Speaker 1: It will always fall off my shoulder, but if you
Speaker 1: have something in it, it holds it there. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I should probably move on and talk about hell but yeah,
Speaker 1: speaking of speaking of yes, there are no there are
Speaker 1: no teens out today because it's too hot even for
Speaker 1: the teens it is. So there's a heat advice up there,
Speaker 1: so goddamn hot. Yeah. The heat advisory is until eight
Speaker 1: pm tomorrow. Oh my god. So nobody's outside. You don't
Speaker 1: want to be outside. I'm very happy to be in
Speaker 1: this studio. I was going to try to go out
Speaker 1: to l a and but my brother was there and
Speaker 1: he was like, save yourself time. It's on fire or
Speaker 1: will be at any moment. It for months. H But
Speaker 1: speaking of that hell month, hell month, hell month, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna go with fire month, but then um,
Speaker 1: Jessica Hopper saw the fire postons like is this hell Month?
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's so much better. So I
Speaker 1: did an adjacent pivot. Also, it's because, um, I feel
Speaker 1: my friend just handed me a copy of Dante's Inferno
Speaker 1: when we were hanging out. Have you heard the good words? Um?
Speaker 1: So I feel like I'm like, am I taking his?
Speaker 1: But it's like, um, he did not know it would
Speaker 1: become an obsession in my life. But now there's a
Speaker 1: Yale podcast that's just a lecture on Dante's inferno so interesting,
Speaker 1: didn't you have it to recently where you were like,
Speaker 1: everything I do, I have to do until I'm good
Speaker 1: at it, and then I have to do it until
Speaker 1: I die. That sounds like that sounds like something I
Speaker 1: have said before where I don't know if I ever
Speaker 1: get good, but I get really obsessed and then I'm
Speaker 1: done with it. That a lot. I can't get into
Speaker 1: things shallowly. It's either like all the way. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean I lost last month to vander Pump, which is
Speaker 1: you you improved it enhanced. I did my my studied,
Speaker 1: Like would you say you're like a casual Dante scholar
Speaker 1: right now? This month? I dabble yea, yeah, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a beginner dabbler. Um. If it was a yoga class,
Speaker 1: it would be maybe the community yoga class that's open,
Speaker 1: but beginner. The donation at this point because you feel
Speaker 1: like you don't want to. I mean, it's so cool.
Speaker 1: I was watching a Dante documentary I found out all
Speaker 1: about that. Um in Florence. They it was like the guelfs,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I have Some part of them were like,
Speaker 1: let's follow the pope, and the other part were like
Speaker 1: let's follow the emperor. And then Dante was not on
Speaker 1: the right side. He was exiled, should I guess happened
Speaker 1: in more but not? Wait? Was which side was he on?
Speaker 1: The He was a white guelf and then the man
Speaker 1: black one, so he like the emperors were like more
Speaker 1: about secular law and then the pope people who were
Speaker 1: like super Christian, I think Catholic or whatever. Whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: did he go at the pope or the emperor? He
Speaker 1: you he was on the side of the pope, but
Speaker 1: the black and the white were split where the white
Speaker 1: was kind of more anti authoritarian where I don't I
Speaker 1: haven't read enough about this, but they didn't like the
Speaker 1: current pope, the challenged hope. I'll do another one and
Speaker 1: I'll decide it. But like they didn't like the current pope,
Speaker 1: which seems kind of like anti authoritarian, like to doubt
Speaker 1: a religious leader in medieval times or whatever, back when
Speaker 1: the pope was still seen as the actual hand of
Speaker 1: God here on earth. So was he exiled from Florence? Yeah,
Speaker 1: never to return. Well, guess what the Italian couple that
Speaker 1: gave me a ride in their uber last night? More
Speaker 1: from Florence. Oh it comes full cert have you watched
Speaker 1: um any of the Dan Brown movies. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I said that first instead of instead of read
Speaker 1: the down Brown books, but I watched them. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I also, you said the Dan Brown movies
Speaker 1: instead of the da Vinci Code. Well, I couldn't remember
Speaker 1: that what was called. I was like, it's Dante's Circle,
Speaker 1: Dante Dante's I just had the harsh realization that the
Speaker 1: Da Vinci Code is Dante's Inferno adjacent and it's a
Speaker 1: little upseting. No, No, it's okay, because like Christian mysticism
Speaker 1: is the most fun part about Christianity, right, Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that's why I started getting into Dante, like uh uh.
Speaker 1: Noted scholar Jeff Rickley handed me Dante's Inferno, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, because this is my new love. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. Because we're the we're the counter force dark Enlightenment.
Speaker 1: We have to study all the texts in order to
Speaker 1: come at it from the complete opposite angle. Well, I
Speaker 1: started to realize I was on the brink of a
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. And I don't want to bring this up
Speaker 1: or get too too deep into it right now because
Speaker 1: and I can't really, but just like reading the thing
Speaker 1: about how the now they think like the Q and
Speaker 1: Non people are like Italian. They were like, like it's
Speaker 1: born of like this Italian anarchist like tradition, and a
Speaker 1: novel was written around like two thousand one or something
Speaker 1: about it. It's called cub But like whatever, But I
Speaker 1: don't know, I would do value to this sounds interesting.
Speaker 1: I want to know all about this, but I was
Speaker 1: like I can't. I can't. I can. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm going to get into that in like three years,
Speaker 1: Like guys, we're gonna get into it because Q and
Speaker 1: On is going to be the leader of America. But
Speaker 1: now they're saying that it's now there's a theory like
Speaker 1: even among people who like are more adjacent to it
Speaker 1: than it is just a giant roll job. But it's
Speaker 1: all a troll, that's the whole thing about. But like
Speaker 1: that that it was planted as a by leftist, so
Speaker 1: an anarchist instead of just like people look crazy, which
Speaker 1: is there's too many layers to all these things. That's
Speaker 1: why I was That's why I was interested in this
Speaker 1: though it's like, oh wait, they pranked like eight channers
Speaker 1: with something based on what we have to do we
Speaker 1: have to we have to outtroll the trolls, have to
Speaker 1: counter troll the racist trolls with like, I mean, Darcy,
Speaker 1: obviously you've been a part of weird Twitter for a
Speaker 1: long time, as have I and Emily. I guess like
Speaker 1: we're all adjacent umping an admirer from Afar adjacent to
Speaker 1: weird Twitter. And there was a point at which, like
Speaker 1: weird Twitter, some of it split off into the alt right, yeah,
Speaker 1: or like the having the same jokes but saying it's ironic,
Speaker 1: and then it's just like right, which is how like
Speaker 1: Vice paved the way for that. Yeah, then a person
Speaker 1: who's literally say that I hate yeah literally is a
Speaker 1: racist fascist now, so of shirts for everyone, it was
Speaker 1: the first time, like everyone always wore the shirts, and
Speaker 1: then I saw one in a thrift store and I
Speaker 1: was like, finally it's oh no, so I can never
Speaker 1: wear it. Was, well, that's it's not the first time
Speaker 1: those shirts have been uh this is there. It's like
Speaker 1: eighties thing, it's like hardcore. Yeah, Like, it's not the
Speaker 1: first time that the red Prairie shirts have been used
Speaker 1: as a that's just brenning. You think that they go
Speaker 1: for something that's already tainted, like like like just Hugo
Speaker 1: boss stuff or whatever, but like something on their side
Speaker 1: having a uniform is so darky. Have you seen their
Speaker 1: initiation videos that are so dumb like they just get
Speaker 1: like lightly punched by each other. It's like a weird
Speaker 1: like yeah, Like that's like one of those things where
Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, I don't want to It's like
Speaker 1: faces of death. I'm like you, you can never unsee it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see it. I don't like I mean,
Speaker 1: I saw them in real life and I felt like
Speaker 1: physically repulsive. Yeah, yeah, that's how I feel about it.
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Speaker 1: have a weakness or something to defeat a ghost? How
Speaker 1: do you defeat a ghost? Avenge the ghost in real life?
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Speaker 1: Thanks for the pod, Frasier Brendan from Canada. That was
Speaker 1: Fraser is like in places sincerely, um, which I appreciate. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also Brendan Fraser, Uh Fraser is Brendan Fraser, Canadian? I
Speaker 1: don't he seems like he could. He's like that. You're
Speaker 1: just thinking of that because didn't he play like Deadley do? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Probably Okay, so how do you defeat a ghost? Um,
Speaker 1: given everything that we think we know about ghosts, which
Speaker 1: I like how they started it with sort of a
Speaker 1: monster mash angle of Yah, there's a fight between all
Speaker 1: the ghosts and monsters who's gonna win, and that they
Speaker 1: were just jumped right to ghost or automatically obviously gonna win.
Speaker 1: But I like ghosts. Sorry, no, no, go ahead. I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if ghosts, ever, I don't know if they're competitive,
Speaker 1: because they seem like they haunt and they're just like
Speaker 1: first four. Yeah, I don't think what they really have
Speaker 1: like a militaristic bent all ghosts or ghosts for very
Speaker 1: personal reasons, well from what I understand from what I
Speaker 1: know about ghosts. If a spirit, if a spirit doesn't
Speaker 1: you know, ascend to heaven or go down to the
Speaker 1: depths of the inferno, then maybe it's like they come
Speaker 1: back to Earth to haunt until they achieve some goal,
Speaker 1: is what I imagine. Yeah, I mean I feel like
Speaker 1: when I think of like an like a bunch of
Speaker 1: ghosts banding together to do something, it's like very much
Speaker 1: I think it's on shaky ground to like even like
Speaker 1: Haunted Mansion when they all get together, I have a
Speaker 1: party or whatever. I don't know. Do you think the
Speaker 1: ghosts would party together? I feel like they'd all be loners.
Speaker 1: Maybe they try, but they like like in Casper, the
Speaker 1: three brothers kind of hate each other, but they're like,
Speaker 1: We're like who else. Yeah, But that's what an interview
Speaker 1: with the vampire is like too. I think, just like immortality,
Speaker 1: you have so much more time to get sick of
Speaker 1: people's personal quirks, and they're not going anywhere, so there's
Speaker 1: no scarcity of like, oh, just spend their city. I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is that I question that
Speaker 1: this fight would include ghosts in the first place. So
Speaker 1: its zombies, zombies and the mummies vampires and then a
Speaker 1: joke about mel Gibson. But I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: we could also add where signs, monster wolves, yeah, Frankenstein,
Speaker 1: all of the universal horror creatures, the creature from the
Speaker 1: Black Lagoon. No. I think, well, is this the Letters
Speaker 1: canon or is it like, is the Letter canon or
Speaker 1: are we doing the It's not specifically about the universal monsters.
Speaker 1: It's like all the monsters and goals of the world.
Speaker 1: I think of this as being like mythical like classes
Speaker 1: of of creatures that have existed in different like in
Speaker 1: within I guess mostly Western mythology're making a game of
Speaker 1: thrones out of this. I'm thinking of them as like
Speaker 1: how zombie house, mummy, how they're not coordinated? You're thinking,
Speaker 1: That's what I think Darcy is saying. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if the ghosts are unionized. I think they comely.
Speaker 1: While I'm not um sure on the definition of mortal plane.
Speaker 1: I think that the ghosts don't don't exist on a
Speaker 1: mortal plane. Is that I'm not might not be using
Speaker 1: this correctly? Well, they might. I think they're not different planes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like an airy because you can't kill them out
Speaker 1: of being here, which I feel like is the biggest
Speaker 1: I guess that's why why Brendan thinks that they would win,
Speaker 1: is that, like, there's nothing that binds a ghost to
Speaker 1: this plane except their emotions. Got a mess with their emotions,
Speaker 1: they have to haunt someone. They're haunting someone because something
Speaker 1: didn't go right in their life and they have to
Speaker 1: come back and they're trapped on Earth until they resolve it.
Speaker 1: I mean, so they're already fucked. Like that's the that's
Speaker 1: the idea of ghosts is that they've already lost in
Speaker 1: some way, They've been cursed or something. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess the same could kind of be said for vampires
Speaker 1: and zombies, but I don't know. Well, you know who
Speaker 1: is a great villain are the Mario ghosts? Spirit animal?
Speaker 1: There's also pac Man ghosts. Oh those are terrifying shifty eyes.
Speaker 1: But from personal experience, I know that ghosts can only
Speaker 1: be asked to leave, you know, you can't go on
Speaker 1: from from he simil experience. So I diomed of ghosts
Speaker 1: when I was staying in a guest room and my
Speaker 1: uncle's guest room and his friend was like, she stayed
Speaker 1: in it when I was away, and she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's beyond haunted. I think there's a portal to the
Speaker 1: dark universe. And I was like, cool, I get nightmares
Speaker 1: every night, you know. And what's reassuring is that a
Speaker 1: ghost can never take possession of your body unless you
Speaker 1: give it the okay, Like a spirit will not. Like
Speaker 1: you have dominion over your body and your you know,
Speaker 1: so as long as you are firm and that so
Speaker 1: to get I've also so I've done a lot of
Speaker 1: the smudges. He can also have some chance on I
Speaker 1: chance on for like on loop for like a while,
Speaker 1: like Gregorian chance. I downloaded a Tibetan Buddhist monk album. Whoa, Okay,
Speaker 1: I so I get I get really into things. Yeah
Speaker 1: uh so. But then so I guess the best way
Speaker 1: to get rid of a ghost is a salt burning
Speaker 1: just like sea salt, and then you put it in
Speaker 1: a thing and then you put like rubbing alcohol on it.
Speaker 1: So I tried it. It did not go great. Fire
Speaker 1: alarm went off, and then it smells like, oh, you
Speaker 1: put an essential oil in. So I put like cedar,
Speaker 1: so it smells it's stunk of cedar in a way
Speaker 1: that was no longer enjoyable. Like now it's like when
Speaker 1: you skill perfume and you're like yeah, right, or like
Speaker 1: too much incense. Yeah. But then a psychic held in
Speaker 1: my hand and was like, you don't have any like
Speaker 1: ghosts in your apartment? And I was like, because I
Speaker 1: did that or did I just yeah? So now I'm cured.
Speaker 1: But ghosts, But did you have an experience with the
Speaker 1: ghost where you're like, oh, this is a problem and
Speaker 1: it needs to be taken care of. I've had. I've
Speaker 1: never seen one I've had like I get spooked and
Speaker 1: I had know you just you get a shutter when
Speaker 1: I was in the haunted room or the room that
Speaker 1: was a portal to a darker dimension, gotten like nightmares
Speaker 1: every night, and I was just like I couldn't It
Speaker 1: was just like not a not a great sum. I
Speaker 1: had like a kind of an identity crisis where I
Speaker 1: like dyed my hair blonde, but in a bad way. Uh,
Speaker 1: I couldn't get I don't know. It was just like
Speaker 1: something was off. But maybe I was just like twenty
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, well maybe the portal to Hell was
Speaker 1: inside you. Yeah. All along, I was gonna say, you
Speaker 1: know who else had a portal to Hell in her house? Apparently? Who? Um?
Speaker 1: Marjorie Cameron our face by Marjorie Cameron Patron Patron Bay
Speaker 1: of Night Call. She's but a cool thing about Hell
Speaker 1: on Earth? Uh huh? Is like all of the stuff
Speaker 1: that people thought was like the opening to hell like
Speaker 1: any volcano and then just seeing lava and being like
Speaker 1: that is a river of fire. Yeah yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: like I've never really meditated opening to hell. Sometimes when
Speaker 1: Los Angeles catch us all on fire, like it does
Speaker 1: and you can just like it looks like hell. Its
Speaker 1: like when I, yeah, there was a fire that I
Speaker 1: feel like everybody remembers where it was just like nine, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the hills were on fire. I was working all day
Speaker 1: and people were like coming into the grocery store and asking,
Speaker 1: like telling us about how the hills are on fire.
Speaker 1: And then when I finally was like driving home, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it looks like that part of Fantasia
Speaker 1: that takes place in Hell, you know, and crazy, and
Speaker 1: it just like that like life is continuing while that's happening,
Speaker 1: is like the craziest. Yeah, you still have to go
Speaker 1: to work and stuff. I always living downtown and so
Speaker 1: I could I had a really good view of it
Speaker 1: from the roof of the building I lived in. People
Speaker 1: would just like go out every night and like have
Speaker 1: drinks on the roof and watch the city burn. Like
Speaker 1: it was so insane, and like that felt like there
Speaker 1: was like ash in the air. Kind of was my appearance.
Speaker 1: Like whenever there's a fire in the valley like that,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it will just be like ash will
Speaker 1: like snow down and then everything's covered in this like
Speaker 1: a little layer of ash. Um. Friend, friend of the podcast.
Speaker 1: Caleb Parton's family has people in reading which is on
Speaker 1: fire right now. It's something called a fire nato, which
Speaker 1: is what it sounds like. Yeah, it looks like Hell,
Speaker 1: and people are like, Okay, I gotta go to my
Speaker 1: job until we get evacuated or whatever. You know, wait
Speaker 1: until somebody said, actually panic or evacuate. Yeah, I personal
Speaker 1: responsible for putting out the fire, like yeah, just like
Speaker 1: take all of your like Fiji water bottles. So what
Speaker 1: we're saying is maybe Hell, maybe maybe this is how
Speaker 1: Dante is in. It's also it's also like astounding to
Speaker 1: me that Hell is uncomfortable where it's always like, oh
Speaker 1: you always hear like you go to Heaven, you go
Speaker 1: to Hell, and Hell it's like hot and whatever. Then
Speaker 1: I read a passage of what it's like and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't want someone like breathing on me. Yeah. Wait,
Speaker 1: So you go over with some of the different descriptions
Speaker 1: of that you've read so far of these different circles
Speaker 1: are like, what are the unique tortures of each one?
Speaker 1: Because I don't know. So Purgatory is like the chill
Speaker 1: thing where it's like they just didn't hear about Jesus
Speaker 1: and it seems just kind of like boring, like all
Speaker 1: the Greeks are there and babies, right yeah, babies, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is pretty fucked up. Yeah oh yeah, so um,
Speaker 1: but they changed that. They changed with the cool pope,
Speaker 1: one of the popes, one of the one of the
Speaker 1: chiller popes, and the twentieth century changed. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess they have a pass. I know
Speaker 1: that the lustful, like the like the cheaters and whatever,
Speaker 1: they get flown around in the skies, you know, like
Speaker 1: that would be uncomfortable because they can't they can't stick
Speaker 1: to one then literally it's like a it's like a
Speaker 1: it's like a pun or something. Yeah, it's all like
Speaker 1: every everything is like ironic and ironic and how so
Speaker 1: I like like Dante just meditated for like a long
Speaker 1: time on like the fitting punishment for them. Hoarders are
Speaker 1: forced to push boulders facing each other and enter into
Speaker 1: a fierce battle because they're not allowed to keep any
Speaker 1: of the boulders. Is the boulder that is supposed to
Speaker 1: symbolize your worldly possessions, like the weight of them, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, or like working for something that is nothing right.
Speaker 1: The Scifian aspect of it. Um. You know what I
Speaker 1: like is the pre Christian underworld. Yeah, you like the
Speaker 1: pagan stuff, but you like all the Pagans well, I
Speaker 1: mean it's half of the Christian traditions anyway, or just
Speaker 1: paid right, Yeah, it's all the same stuff. But I
Speaker 1: always like the the Greek underworld, the Egyptian underworld. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take another night call. This is a night
Speaker 1: text as always. You can text us too at one
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Speaker 1: talk with your fingers that, yes, talk with your fingers,
Speaker 1: the normal thing. Everyone says, yes, definitely, we do it
Speaker 1: every day. So let's just roll with this one. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna read it all the way through. This is
Speaker 1: a nightcall about bugs. A night call back about bugs.
Speaker 1: I suppose I almost ate a caterpillar that I steamed
Speaker 1: with my broccoli last night. It was the very last
Speaker 1: bite of my meal. I survived. The bug did not. Later,
Speaker 1: my girlfriend and I got into a fight. It was
Speaker 1: pretty sad. The fight was not about bugs. I'm reading
Speaker 1: Rachel Kushner The Flamethrowers. I'm very into it. What are
Speaker 1: some of your favorite novels written also The flamethrow Is
Speaker 1: is great. It's one of the best. But yeah, it's well.
Speaker 1: It came out a few years ago. She's got a
Speaker 1: new book. I can't remember if it's out right now
Speaker 1: or not, but um, she out, yeah, everyone's reading her.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, yeah, have you guys ever
Speaker 1: almost eaten a caterpillar in the salad? I've almost eaten
Speaker 1: other bugs. I my my dad made me mapo when
Speaker 1: I was twelve and there was an unfortunate incident with weevils. Wait,
Speaker 1: wevils are the grain bugs? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had
Speaker 1: an experience like that once with a granola bar. And
Speaker 1: ah yeah, real, real gross. Yeah, I see. This is
Speaker 1: the thing. When you guys were talking about bugs and
Speaker 1: bees and stuff when I was away, you in tests real,
Speaker 1: real buggy. I mean, you guys love bugs, and I
Speaker 1: have to say I would love to be so chill
Speaker 1: about bugs, but I am not. I'm not chill about them.
Speaker 1: I just respect the right. I guess I respect them.
Speaker 1: But like I, I have had an insect thing. Uh
Speaker 1: my mom, who I know is listening to this can
Speaker 1: a test. I hated bugs with a passion. I still
Speaker 1: I can deal with them a little bit. Better now.
Speaker 1: But there was a moment when I was maybe three
Speaker 1: or four that I kind of remember, but there was
Speaker 1: a fly that had gotten into our car and we
Speaker 1: were on the freeway, and I took out my seatbelt
Speaker 1: and tried to jump out of the car. As a
Speaker 1: three year old because of a fly in the car. Uh,
Speaker 1: I could not deal with it. But I think that
Speaker 1: and I've always tried to get to the bottom of
Speaker 1: what I'm actually upset about. Are afraid of with bugs,
Speaker 1: And it is always the thought or the fear that
Speaker 1: the bug is going to crawl into my mouth or
Speaker 1: into my nose, like when I'm camping and I'm like
Speaker 1: freaked out about bugs that could be around or in
Speaker 1: the general vicinity. It's not like that they'll get on
Speaker 1: me necessarily, unless they're stingy or bitey type bugs, but
Speaker 1: that they will crawl up my nose or in my ear,
Speaker 1: like with earwigs or something like that kind of thing
Speaker 1: is what really for some reason, I'm preoccupied with that
Speaker 1: at all times. So this is my nightmare. This this
Speaker 1: our night color has described my nightmare. So it's fear
Speaker 1: in respect, but there's fear there. I just don't want
Speaker 1: them inside me. You know that thing at the Natural
Speaker 1: History Museum where it's like what the grass looks like
Speaker 1: really gigantic? Yeah, like a mill of peede. That to me,
Speaker 1: I just I'm like, what if they were big? At
Speaker 1: least they're small, what if they were big like roaches?
Speaker 1: I'm so terrified of them. And then there's the big
Speaker 1: ones that the water bugs. Right again, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: grossed out by it, but I'm also like, hey, like
Speaker 1: they deserved to be here, they exist, and so do I.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to kill them unless I
Speaker 1: like have to, unless it's them or me, which sometimes
Speaker 1: is you know. But one of the other night calls
Speaker 1: we got, which I thought this one was going to be,
Speaker 1: was about millipedes, and it was about how somebody had
Speaker 1: killed a millipede and felt really bad about it and
Speaker 1: then learned about millipedes and that they like eat all
Speaker 1: these other bugs that you don't want, and so they
Speaker 1: were like, actually like house millipedes, like they can't do
Speaker 1: anything to you, and they like eat all the other
Speaker 1: bugs that you actually don't want more um, But I
Speaker 1: also had just killed a millipedes, so I was like, man,
Speaker 1: and then I don't know. I'm just like, it's it's
Speaker 1: not their fault. They have many legs and we only
Speaker 1: have two, and so we think it's weird that they
Speaker 1: have a lot of legs, you know, Like that's most
Speaker 1: of what I think creeps us out about it, Right?
Speaker 1: Are they using all of them? Yes, they totally are.
Speaker 1: That's what's so crazy crazy. Also, didn't you say that
Speaker 1: there was some sort of interspecies connection with like ants
Speaker 1: protecting something else. Oh, I watched this, this show. Everybody
Speaker 1: should watch it, David Attenborough's Natural Curiosities. It's all about
Speaker 1: like biological adaptations. So that was one of the things
Speaker 1: was bugs that hide out in other bugs hives and
Speaker 1: like trick them into feating them. Basically it was ter
Speaker 1: crifter bugs. And one of them was like a caterpillar
Speaker 1: something that hides out in like a bee hive, and
Speaker 1: the bee and like does this little wiggle and it's
Speaker 1: like the same thing a bee queen does, and so
Speaker 1: they're all like, oh, we must feed the bee queen
Speaker 1: and they feed it and them through dance. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: It's that's what I'm saying. Just like I gotta in
Speaker 1: an argument at a party, this sego with somebody who
Speaker 1: was saying they were like a humanist, like a species ist,
Speaker 1: you know, like that they think humans are the best species.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that is insane to me. Humans
Speaker 1: are the worst species. And like there's so many other
Speaker 1: cool things happening, like caterpillars tricking bees and defeeding them.
Speaker 1: And the other thing was about the Death's Head moth,
Speaker 1: which is that moth that's in the Silence of the
Speaker 1: Lambs poster that looks like it has a skull on it,
Speaker 1: and it was about how like everybody in in medieval
Speaker 1: England thought it was like a bad omen because it
Speaker 1: only migrated during certain times. And then all these like
Speaker 1: you know, skull bugs flew in, uh, and they were
Speaker 1: like they know, but apparently they were like, we don't
Speaker 1: know for sure what the marking is, but what we
Speaker 1: think it might be is that it like mimics a
Speaker 1: bee face and so it like tricks the bees into
Speaker 1: thinking it's a bee. I thought I was gonna be
Speaker 1: be the mark of the beast. The moths have six
Speaker 1: six wells that they were like, it's not like it's
Speaker 1: just a bug, Like we see it as a skull
Speaker 1: because that's how our eyes are trying to see things
Speaker 1: like that. But the pattern is maybe really meant to
Speaker 1: like liquor. It is not for us. It's meant to
Speaker 1: look like the face of a bee head on. I
Speaker 1: mean when I got my dog, I wondered for so long.
Speaker 1: I was like, why have I trapped this small animal?
Speaker 1: Like I had those thoughts when you get stoned and
Speaker 1: stare at your hands and I'm like, wait, what is this?
Speaker 1: And I guess it's just like inner specie like we've
Speaker 1: were just we just vibe. Yeah, but it seems with
Speaker 1: death's head. Um, well that does it for this week's
Speaker 1: night call. We're out of time this week unfortunately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Darcy, thank you for joining us. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: give us a nightcall as always one to one to
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