1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. I'm your host with 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,279 Speaker 1: Sean McDonald. I recognized that we all have different definitions 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: of success. For you, it may be the size of 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: your paycheck. Mine is inspiring people to accomplish their goals 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: and live their very best life. It is time to 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: stop reading other people's success stories and start writing your own. 7 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: People always talk about their purpose a gift. If you 8 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: have a gift, leave with your gifts and don't let 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: your friends, family, or coworkers stop you from planning or 10 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: living your dream. My next guest is Sean Robinson. She's 11 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: an Emmy Award winning journalists, television personality, author, producer, philanthropists, 12 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: and she has a group, an Amazing Girls Activities empowerment 13 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: activist organization. She's a proud graduate of an HBCU Spellman 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: University in Atlanta, Georgia. Sean established the Seawan Foundation for 15 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: Girls with Nurtures and supports underserved underrepresented girls and young 16 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: women in the areas of stem health, arts, unity, and neighborhoods. 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: Sean is the executive producer of the very entertaining a 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: seven Deadly Sin series on Lifetime. We've been discussing her 19 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: two new films that can currently be seen on Lifetime 20 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: Wrath a seven and seven definitely sin story and Greed 21 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: a seven deadly sinning story. Please work with the money 22 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: making conversation Masterclass, my differend and good person. It always 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: leads me down the road of happiness. Sean Robinson, how 24 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: are you? You know? These are always really really cool 25 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: conversations because you know, we've known each other, we have 26 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: to say, twenty years, twenty plus years, and we've seen yeah, 27 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: we've seen each other, uh, we shape ourselves. We've seen 28 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: each other being able to pivot, and we've seen each 29 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: other get a clear understanding of finding our voice. And 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: you know, I know when I in twenty six two, 31 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: when I stop managing Steve, it was a struggle for 32 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: me to find my voice, you know, because I would 33 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: say two year, two and a half years, I was 34 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: still managing to Steve Harty and not receiving checks because 35 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: that brand has been so established. And so you you 36 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: had a similar You had established a relationship with an 37 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: entertainment magazine that was that was a blessing and occuraged 38 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: because people knew you from that, but then you wanted 39 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: to get away from that. But now as part of 40 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: your resume. So now the blessing is part of your 41 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: asset because your brand is now unders So many different 42 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: positive umbrellas talk about pivoting and then being able to 43 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: being able to, you know, work really hard to build 44 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: a brand, and then redirecting that brand. Shawn, Yeah, you know, 45 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: I think that when you reach what is considered by 46 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: many as the pinnacle, and you were staying there and 47 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: you think that that is all the world is. And 48 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: so I was. I was at a you know, a 49 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,839 Speaker 1: successful entertainment show for sixteen years. It was a long time, 50 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: and it was, you know, I found myself after a while, 51 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,399 Speaker 1: just kind of coasting. You know. I came in when 52 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: entertainment shows were that they had a different type of 53 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: influence than they have today. Like, for example, if you know, 54 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: if Beyonce had a new album out, or if George 55 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: Clooney had a new movie out, we were one of 56 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: the very few stops that they could make to promote 57 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: their material because this was before social media, before Instagram, 58 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: Twitter and all that. Now, Beyonce sends out a tweet 59 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: that she's got a new album out and that's all 60 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: the publicity she needs. And George Clooney, you know, gets 61 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: on his social media and that's all the publicity they need. 62 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: So it's a it's a lot different today and there 63 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: are many, many, many different platforms. So I was very 64 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: blessed to come to the show that I was on 65 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: at a time when it held a power position in 66 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: Hollywood that was different than it is today. So that 67 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: was and I was a little black girl from Detroit, Michigan, 68 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: and I was at hot in Hollywood and it was 69 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: a really super super big deal and so I did everything. 70 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: I squeezed everything out of that position that I could 71 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: possibly squeeze. There was nothing else I could do that 72 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: would be a challenge for me. Um, So you know, 73 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: I look at what is now the additional chapter. I 74 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: don't even say the next chapter. I said, what is 75 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: the additional chapter? And so you know, I still do 76 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: my television work on on you know, Night to Day 77 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: Fiancee and which is a behemoth and yeah, and that's 78 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: a that's a that's seen in a hundred and sixty 79 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: eight countries and territories. So it was very it's huge, 80 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: but also like what is it what? I wanted to 81 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: be a content creator? I wanted to be an executive producer. 82 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: So I started talking to producers people were much smarter 83 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: than I was, and and said how do I do this? 84 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: And I started thinking of different types of shows that 85 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: I could produce, and so the seven Deadly Since series 86 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: that it was started as a book by author Victoria 87 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: Christopher Murray was really interesting, and so I optioned the 88 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: entire series is to pitch them around town, which at 89 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: a Lifetime in different places. Lifetime finally said yes, we 90 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: want to do this, and um the partner was Bishop 91 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: td Jake's, which was couldn't get a bigger producing partner 92 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: in this type of uh, in this type of situation. 93 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: And so Lust and Envy aired last year. This year 94 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: it's Wrath and Greed. So um, yes, and so to 95 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: see my name as an executive producer was was thrilling 96 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: for me. Will you please slow down? We talked. This 97 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: ain't no like a five minute of you. We talked, 98 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: We talked, were talking. We'll be right back with more 99 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now let's return 100 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: to Money Making Conversations master Class with Rushan McDonald. I've 101 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: seen every one of them. Okay, it's four so far, 102 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: like you said one. That's when you first came on 103 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: the show talking about it, and we was excited. And 104 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: this is seven we said, why are we And hopefully 105 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: we've to do them all at the same level of 106 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: you know, promotional push and excitement and the quality of 107 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: actors and and this time around, you know, you have 108 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: my boy, Eric Binet, you know, he's in Greed, and 109 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: then you have Michelle Weird that's my girl from Destiny's Child. 110 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: She's in uh, you know, Wrath. Okay, And the reason 111 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: I bring these two people, these people are known for 112 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: singing and they and they have major In fact, Michelle 113 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: Willis is the star of that particular and is a major. 114 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: Eric ban is a major player. Okay. He if he 115 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: doesn't do his character right, the show does, the film 116 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: doesn't work. Now he sells it. He sells it. Oh 117 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: my goodness, he's very good. And of course the incredible 118 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: Lisa Ray McCoy in that she played that play. Uh, 119 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: and and and and so. And I say this because 120 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: you know when I watched when I consider your friend 121 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: shop and I know when I see your name on 122 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: the screen single card by myself, I just smiled. I 123 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: smiled because I know there's a lot of hard work. 124 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: And that's why I don't want anybody to say what 125 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: she said. Well, optioned out the book and then bitsh 126 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: if TV Jakes was the only person that he came 127 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: into this particular genre. Okay, this didn't happened over nineteen 128 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: This is years. This was years, and it was it 129 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: was It was tied to trust, It was trying to faith. 130 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: It was tied to saying, I know this project. It's 131 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: gonna somebody's gonna find this, somebody's gonna enjoy it, and 132 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be frustrated by it because I'm Sean 133 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: Robinson and I want to win. That's the story. I 134 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: want to make sure people here very clearly. Can we 135 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: talk on me. You have to you have to be 136 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: ready for a lot of nose, okay, in this business, 137 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: and you can't get frustrated by the nose. I mean, 138 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: I've pitched so many projects even with this. I optioned 139 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: these books in two thousand sixteen, and so I mean 140 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: think this is twenty twenty two. So it's been a minute. Okay, 141 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: it's been a minute. And along the way, there were 142 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: many many struggles convincing people that this was going to 143 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: be a great project. And actually people, you know, they 144 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: the networks that I pitched it too, they really love 145 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: the concept. But there was like, oh can we do it? 146 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: Kind of I don't know if we could do it? 147 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: You know, do we want this star? And you know, 148 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: we thought we had a certain person and we didn't. 149 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: And then that took a long time, and then the 150 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: pandemic hit. I mean there were a lot of challenges, roadblocks, 151 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: um that could have derailed the project and just not 152 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: only derailed this project, but made me so you know, 153 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: weary of this process that I could could upset. Uh, 154 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: maybe this isn't for me. So you know it it 155 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: takes a lot of tenacity, It takes faith, It takes endurance, 156 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: It takes for civiliance, per severance, it takes strategic planning 157 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: and just not being um, not being deterred. So don't 158 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: be deterred. You know, if you feel that you have 159 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: a vision, if you feel this is something that you're 160 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: passionate about, keep on pushing. Just you have to keep 161 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: on pushing. I mean there is another There was another 162 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: project that I have been literally working on for probably 163 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: about eight at least eight years, and then you know, 164 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: got real close and then it didn't happen, and then 165 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: somebody just called back, oh, hey, do you still have 166 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: that project we might be interested in. I'm like, okay, 167 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I still have it. So just still 168 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: got it. So just know that there's certain things that 169 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: are going to take longer to materialize. You know, this 170 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: case may bake in five minutes and this cake may 171 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: bake in five years. Okay, so it just depends on 172 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: what the project is. But keep pushing. Now, these two 173 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: projects that we're talking about, these two films, like you said, 174 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: Wrath and Greed, let's let's let's talk about exactly what 175 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 1: that seven deadly Seen series is and why it is 176 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 1: important because each one came from a different style standpoint, 177 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: because because because the Wrath was a straight on acting 178 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: and then you had voiceover a lot more so in Greed, 179 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: because it was like telling the story how you can 180 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: make it was it was. It was a different way 181 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: of presenting it, but it was still world received by me. 182 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: Talk about that whole presentation and how you picked the 183 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: the writers and the directors and all that for each 184 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: one of these different projects. Yeah, and at the center, 185 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: the seven deadly sins that people know um are morale 186 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: the tales. Okay, you know the wages of sin is death, 187 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 1: but there is redemption, and so these are stories of 188 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: there there's going to be redemption in our films. So 189 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: um so that's where we're starting with. You know, we 190 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: are um, you know, we are presenting these to our 191 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: faith based audience. Um and if you are not faith based, 192 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: you might be after you watch our movies. So um 193 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: So that was a really important and you know each 194 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: story is going to be told a little differently. Then 195 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: is going to be told a little differently, but at 196 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: the key, at the basis to all of them, there 197 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: is um there that these are morality tales and these 198 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: are faith based stories. So that's what you have to 199 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: be prepared for. But their fun, rise, their sexy, it's thrilling, 200 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: um it is. You know, you never know what's going 201 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: to happen next. You think, you go, okay, this this, 202 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: I bet you this happens, and then something totally different happens. 203 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: And you know, I got a call Michelle Williams. You 204 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: know that there's a couple of seeds. I'm gonna have 205 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: to call and teaser because she's like my love, little 206 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: love docter. You know, a little you right, you know, 207 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: I said, oh, she got trade sexy up in there, 208 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: and and then she got sexy and it did. It 209 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: was fun, I was it was fun watching it. But 210 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: I want to just say this, when you when you 211 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: hear the word faith based, people tend to run, oh 212 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: I want preaching to meet. No. Yes, she's absolutely correct, 213 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: but it's written so organically. Did when I hear them 214 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: delivering that statement or that message of what Wrath is 215 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: all about, the point of view of why we're doing 216 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: this particular film, the message underlying message we're trying to do, 217 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: I have not taken aback. It's really that well done. 218 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: I I I can't forget Romeo Miller's in there, and 219 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the one with with with Michelle Williams. 220 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: Of course, Uh, you know, Beyonce's mom is in that 221 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: Tina Knows Lawson, who I know for my days of Houston, Texas. 222 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: I go way back with her, way back, and I've 223 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: been knowing her since ninety two because I brought because 224 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: I had a comedy club called Hip Hop Comedy Stopping 225 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: and I brought Destiny Child on stage. That's how far 226 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: back I go. Of course, way back then, Michelle Williams 227 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: was some part of the group. I met Michelle later 228 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: when she joined the group, but I've been knowing Destiny 229 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: Child all the way back to two, so that my relationship. Yeah, 230 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: just just seeing that whole Just seeing Tina, I just 231 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: laughed and smiled at myself because she had a really 232 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: big beauty song. That's how I met her in Houston 233 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: at the time, and then she was making a lot 234 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: of money. She was very popular, I believe the name 235 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: of his headliners in Houston, Texas at the time. And 236 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: just see how you can again pivot and then readjust 237 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: your career and move forward. And but each one of 238 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: these was different. How does the cast process happened? And 239 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: do you participate in the casting process? Shot? Oh, absolutely, 240 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: as uh one of the executive producers. I definitely participate 241 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: in the casting process. So you know, we think about, 242 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: you know, who the character is and who you know, 243 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: who are a list of people who would be good 244 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: playing them, but also you've got to think about their 245 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: relationship with the other characters. So when we you know, 246 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: when we knew we had Michelle, we were so excited 247 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: and you know, we were thinking, Okay, who would be 248 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: a good mother figure to because the mother is very 249 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: important in her life. Oh can we get her? You know, 250 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: So then that process started, so uh and then then 251 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: you do you want good chemistry between the leading lady 252 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: and the men in her life. And so you know, 253 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: Romeo was just absolute fantastic. They had great chemistry. And 254 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: Antonio Coupo also with Michelle, they were just they were 255 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: just handing it up on set. It was really funny. 256 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: So um and so yes, you have to think about 257 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: the character's relationship to other characters in the movie and 258 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: how that would play. So yeah, we think we get 259 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: did a good job. We have a really great cast 260 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: both on Wrath and on Greed. We'll be right back 261 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: with more money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now, 262 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. 263 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't share her name, and she's the 264 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: lead in in Greed. That's Monique cole That's Monique Coleman. 265 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: That's my girl. She can I go past this and 266 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: not act like I didn't see her in this film? 267 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: You know, lady down, Yeah, greeds lapter in the face 268 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: several times. She found the facts of life. We just 269 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: don't just laying at there and that. But it was 270 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: all again organic, it was all very realistic. It was 271 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: all the characters I found relatable. A boar friend and 272 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: how she kind of disconnected from him because he wasn't 273 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: living a lifestyle and everything made this kind of nighting 274 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: shign and armor who everything. He was older, he was worldly, 275 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: he could jump on a private jet and go to 276 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: any way he wanted to go. And he found this 277 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: young lady who wanted these things. And that's what this 278 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: series is about. You know. It's like, you know, there's 279 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: a couple of things. Be careful what you wished for. 280 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's not always what you expect. That was 281 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: That's what makes this That's I saw both movies back 282 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: to back, and I didn't see him being similar at all. Bravo, 283 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: Bravo excellent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're very different, very different. 284 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: But at the key, like I said, it's that, um, 285 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: you know what happens when you commit one of these sins. 286 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: This is what can happen. So hopefully people will think 287 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: twice you know, um, somebody said, uh, somebody asked me, well, 288 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: so what's up. What's the message and greed and what's 289 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: the message in Wrath I said, don't be greedy, don't 290 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: have wrath. That's about that's the bottom line, right, and 291 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: then ignore the signs of when it is happening to you. 292 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: And that's so that's that's what it really abounts to 293 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: as well, because we all deal with these decisions that 294 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: we have to make and we, like I said, the 295 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: morality is the base of what we all make our decisions. 296 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: When you venture into these different sins, then it tells 297 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: you or is it are you being consumed by it? 298 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: And each movie you will see in Wrath an individual 299 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: is consumed by that rap and how that wrath affects 300 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: other people around that person. We is consumed when that 301 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: person is consumed by that greed. You will see how 302 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: that greed not just impacts them, but the people they 303 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: quote unquote care about and the people that they call 304 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: their rinds and business association. That's what I loved about 305 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: these episodes their own lifetime right now, please please watch 306 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: them with your friends, your family, you know, take a screenshot, 307 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: tell us somebody and posted on social media, let them 308 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: know you're watching it so they can get a good 309 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: feel for quality program and being done by incredible African Americans, producers, 310 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: my man Bishop T d J. And my favorite person 311 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: in the world, Sean Robinson. But the thing I always 312 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: loved a boy Sean is that it always goes beyond 313 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: what she does as an entertainer. Impactful your program, Sean, 314 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: you know that we're talking about this several years. Tell 315 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: us what's going on with it and and impact that 316 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: you're making. And I've rant into New York one day 317 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: at the London Hotel were talking about it, so I 318 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: know how long this has been going on and how 319 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: you would travel to Great Lens to get the word 320 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: out about it. Yeah. So my foundation is called the 321 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: Sean Foundation for Girls. I created it back in two 322 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen after I left Access Hollywood for so long. 323 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: And you know, my my parents always taught me, if 324 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: God gives you a platform music to get back, and 325 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: so that's what I did. I created this foundation and 326 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: what we do is we support UH small nonprofits that 327 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: are doing work in five key areas of girls issues, 328 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: and those areas are represented by the acronym of my 329 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: name s j U n SO s A STEM science, technology, engineering, 330 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: and math, ages, health as arts. You is unity and 331 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: in his neighborhood. So if there is a nonprofit that 332 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: is doing work in one of those five key areas, 333 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: we would possibly goose for them. So and Sean, what 334 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: I hope to my vision and what I hope to 335 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: continue to grow the Sean Foundation for Girls as it's 336 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: really a go to resource for these small nonprofits that 337 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: you know, getting raising money is tough for any You've 338 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: been in many charity events and they got a big 339 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: folk to give the money. So it's hard and when 340 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: you are a small nonprofit, a small charity, it's even 341 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: harder because a lot of times you don't have the resources. 342 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: And so I felt compelled to help those organizations that 343 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: are working directly with girls, predominantly girls of color, underserved 344 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: in underrepresented girls, and to help them in their mission. 345 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: And you know, uh, I was just at this philanthropy 346 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: conference and it was it was with women who were 347 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: philanthropists like myself, and one of the things that we 348 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: had talked about and you probably know this is very 349 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: important for Sean because you run into business. You know 350 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: how many how all the line items there are to 351 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: running a business, and so a lot of times when 352 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: people give to charity, a lot of times you know, 353 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: when people give grants to charity, small nonprofits, they're like, Okay, 354 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: we want our money to go to this, this and this. Okay, 355 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: we wanted to go just to this mission, just to that. 356 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: And so let's say you have, um, you know, let's 357 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: say you have a homeless shelter. Let's say you have 358 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: a shelter for homeless and so somebody might give you 359 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: money and say, Okay, I want this just to go 360 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: for clothing for the women in the homeless shelter. That's 361 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: just an example. Well that's great, But here's what happens 362 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: with Sean is that what are the other what are 363 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: the other line volumes that you need when you're running 364 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: a business, and a nonprofit is a business. You've got 365 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: to keep the lights on, Okay, you have to have 366 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: food for the people that um you know that you serve, 367 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, the secretary, the cleaning people to come and 368 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: clean your business. You've got the telephone bill. All of 369 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: those are line items, and it's hard to get money 370 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: for that because a lot of people they when they 371 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: give the money, they okay, I just want I just 372 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: wanted to go to this one thing. So what we 373 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: were talking about at this Philanthropy conference that we just 374 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: had just so many great, great women talking about it. 375 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: It's the importance of giving unrestricted funds to nonprofits. Unrestricted 376 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: means they can use them in any areas. Now we're 377 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: not and granted, there has to be there has to 378 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: be checks and balances in the nonprofit world because you know, 379 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: you don't you want to make sure that the nonprofit 380 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: you're doing, you vet them, and that's what we do. 381 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: That's what the Sean Foundation for Girls us. We we 382 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: we we vet these organizations. We make sure they're doing 383 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: the work. We'll make sure we are making sure they're 384 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: impactful and they're they're impacting girls lives, uh for you know, 385 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: for the positive. And then we say, okay, so we 386 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: want to help you with your mission, so we're giving 387 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: you these funds so that you can continue your mission. 388 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: And I used to say, Okay, you gotta use it 389 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: in this area, and then I realized, like many people 390 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: are realizing, in what's called trust based philanthropies, Okay, we 391 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: trust you. Okay, I'm gonna trust you to use this 392 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: money in the best way possible so you can continue 393 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: helping the people helping the girls and young women that 394 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: you served, So that was that, that was that was 395 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 1: my growth as a philanthropist and how I want to 396 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: make sure that my foundation helps as many organizations and 397 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: as many people as possible. Well, that's just an example 398 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: of that. Like Mackenzie Scott, she gave four or four 399 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: one billion dollars to HBCUs with no restrictions. That's what 400 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: she's starting exactly. You know, she trust one trusted them. 401 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: She said, hey, here's the money. Here's fifty million dollars 402 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: prey of you them. Do what you need to better 403 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: serve your community, the students, the infrastructure, and put it 404 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: and we trust that you're going to do the right 405 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: thing with this money. Exactly. She could have said, here's 406 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: fifty million dollars and it's got to go to scholarships. 407 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's got to go to scholarships for fifty 408 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: people whatever. You know, he said, I trust you because 409 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: I vetted you already and I know that you're doing 410 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: the work, so I trust you to take this and 411 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: do what you need to do to continue that mission. 412 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what she's saying. I just wanted to 413 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: give clarity exactly what that you know I just mentioned 414 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: word HBCUs you know, you're you're graduate one of the 415 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: great ones and schools in this country that deliver black 416 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 1: excellence on the regular basis Spellman I always like, you know, 417 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: I know spelling College, you know, and uh, you know 418 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: there's only with Benedict College. There's only two all female hpcus, right, 419 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: Benedict College. I believe in spell you know I should 420 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: know that, but I think he's on the Wow, I'm 421 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: used to know it all. I'm used to know it all. 422 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna just throw out information that I 423 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: claim to be correct. The beauty of going to that school, 424 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: can you just tell my listeners and my viewers. You know, 425 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: spell in College really taught me the value of sisterhood 426 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: and that when you invest in a girl, she can 427 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: change the world. And also, like, you know, I graduated 428 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: a long time ago and I can meet a Spellman 429 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: sister today and still have a connection. And that's what 430 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: the value of going to that school has has really 431 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: shown me. It's about you will always have a connected 432 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: I I you know, see people, uh, women will say 433 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: I'm your Spellman sister, your spelling sister, and it's just 434 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't go to school at the same time. 435 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: Or anything. But it's just a connection that we have 436 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: because we love our school and we knew that our 437 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: school taught us that you will have a connection to 438 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: each woman that walks out of these doors after having 439 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: this experience. So that's yeah. I do anything I can 440 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: to promote Spellman, and she does a great job promoting 441 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: her too, incredibly uh A series overall, she's already done two, one, 442 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: three or four. That's Wrathing Breeders out right now on 443 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: Lifetime please executive produced by my man and Bishop tv JAS, 444 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: but more important by my friend, uh Sean Robinson. Please 445 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: thank you for coming on my show, and that's always 446 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: I support you and keep moving the head and keep 447 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: delivering black excellence because you've been doing it, then I 448 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: can say it. You know you still look fantastic over 449 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: several decades. Appreciate you. If you want to hear, thank you. 450 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: If you want to hear or see any of my 451 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: interviews on Money Making Conversation Master Class, please go to 452 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversation dot com. I wish Sean McDonald. I 453 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: am your host