1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinals Territory. 2 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes joined by lancelin and Matt Holliday. We expect 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: Kyle Gibson will be with us later on in the program. 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: Not a lot going on in terms of moves by 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals, but gentlemen, there are some interesting 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: tidbits that I thought worthy of discussion. And by the way, 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: nice to see you guys. 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Happy every birthday. 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: Jam thought I didn't think we'd be able to get 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: that in there yet. One hundred, one hundred and forty 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: two years old. Anyway, Suddy Gray, who signed with the 12 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: Red Sox, had his introduction news conference with the Boston media, 13 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: and during that he took shots at the Yankees. He 14 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: was part of the Yankees for parts of two seasons, 15 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: and he basically unloaded, saying I didn't want to go there, 16 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: and he also said it's nice to go to a 17 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: place where it's easy to hate the Yankees. Now, Lancelnne 18 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: Matt Holliday both former Yankees. First, Lance, you were teammate 19 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,639 Speaker 1: with Sonny. We all like him, and we're. 20 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 3: We forget forget. I was actually teammates with him in 21 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 3: New York. 22 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: So go on, go on. 23 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: Uh, you were Lance, your teammates with with Sonny as 24 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: a cardinal in his cardinal's territory, and Uh, I don't remember. 25 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 2: Him saying anything negative. First off. 26 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: Were you surprised that he sort of unloaded on the Bronx. 27 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 3: Uh? 28 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 4: No, I wasn't surprised at all. It's because you never 29 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 4: asked him. That's why I never said anything negative about 30 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 4: New York. To be honest with you, Sonny's time in 31 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 4: New York and mac And contested this when he first 32 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 4: got over there. Sonny has a way of that he 33 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 4: likes to do things and the way he goes about it, 34 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 4: and I think he was in the process of learning 35 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 4: that when he got to New York. And then I 36 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 4: think his time in New York halted some of those 37 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 4: things and put him in a situation where he kind 38 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 4: of got lost in a sense. And then I will 39 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 4: say this, and I think he alluded to it in 40 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 4: the press conference. And also his time in New York, 41 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 4: he didn't enjoy it, he didn't want to go there, 42 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 4: but it also helped him in his next chapter of 43 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 4: his career, going to Cincinnati and Minnesota to Saint Louis 44 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 4: and then now back to Boston to figure out who 45 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 4: he was, so he didn't have that problem again. He 46 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 4: can go in. He lays out when he came to 47 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 4: Saint Louis, he laid out to Dusty. He's like, here's 48 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 4: the things I like, here's the things I don't like. 49 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 4: Here's how I go about pregame, post game, in between, starts, 50 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 4: all of it. And if you have anything you'd like 51 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 4: to talk about it, I'm all for it. But this 52 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 4: is me And he learned that by his failures in 53 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 4: New York, which has made him a great picture since. 54 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 4: So I understand where he's coming from, because when you 55 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 4: play your worst in a spot, naturally you're not going 56 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 4: to have good feelings about that spot. And that's what 57 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 4: he's telling you. And they kind of made him do 58 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 4: things he was uncomfortable with and he failed doing them, 59 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 4: and he just didn't enjoy his time there. And you 60 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 4: know what a better place to go to when you've 61 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 4: reinvented yourself and had a great career to go to 62 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 4: Boston and then try to shove it down New York's throw. 63 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 4: So I think Boston fans love it. New York fans 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 4: already didn't like him, so he didn't care. That's the 65 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 4: way he thinks. So all in all, it's this is 66 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 4: this is the beauty of the game too. You stink 67 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 4: in one spot. You go to their rival and you 68 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 4: do well and beat him, and they hate you even more. 69 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 4: So that gives fans something to boost some more about. 70 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: Well, the fact that he doesn't like the Yankees will 71 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: make him instantly popular with the Red Sox. But man, 72 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: as I recalled with my old man memory that you 73 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: were part of the Yankees, had a health issue there. 74 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: But I also recall you you do you enjoyed your 75 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: time in New York, didn't you? 76 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. 77 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think it's an it's an interesting place. 78 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 3: It's it's certainly different than any place that anybody else 79 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 3: will play. I mean, uh, you know, the New York 80 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 3: Yankees is is just it is different, like the how 81 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 3: you travel, the all the things that go into it. 82 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's a it's a place where you know, 83 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 3: it's different and a lot of things as far as 84 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: family goes, as far as like, uh, what the access 85 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 3: that you have for your family? 86 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 4: And I understand, like, look it you know, it's it's 87 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 4: the Yankees. 88 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 3: And they have a lot of policies in place that 89 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: have been in place forever. But it's different, Like it's 90 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,119 Speaker 3: different from where I came from at that point, coming 91 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 3: from Saint Louis and the access that I had with 92 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 3: my family and my kids. And I'm sure it was 93 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: different from Sonny coming from where he was coming from. 94 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: It's just like you know, and anybody that that it 95 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: goes from a place that you know they've been a while, 96 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: and then you go to the Yankees. It is certainly 97 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: a shocking. It's a culture shock. And where you live 98 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 3: as a family. When we lived in the Upper East 99 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: Side and an apartment, uh, the kids learned how to 100 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: hail cabs, they rode the train. I think there was 101 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 3: certainly some positives just from a life experience for for 102 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: our family, but it is, it is. It is certainly 103 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: a different animal. And and like Lance said, when uh, 104 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: you don't get off to a good start, and you know, 105 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 3: he didn't pitch exceptionally well there, it it leaves a 106 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: bad taste in your mouth. And and I think that 107 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: that's I think where this is coming from. 108 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 4: I I'm anxious. 109 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: I like it. 110 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: I mean, I like good like baseball kind of drama 111 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: a little bit where the first time Sunny pitches at 112 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 3: the Yankee Stadium with the Red Sox, he's gonna be 113 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,799 Speaker 3: amped up. Uh, the Yankees fans are gonna be all 114 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 3: over him. He's I like it, Like, I think that's 115 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 3: it's good for baseball. I want to tune in, like 116 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 3: after hearing this, like, I'll be watching that game and 117 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 3: so I just think it's a it's a it's a 118 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 3: place where guys you kind of usually love it or 119 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 3: hate it. It's uh, it's it's just a different animal 120 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: than than every other team in the league. 121 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: The two fan bases, Yankee fans Red Sox fans have 122 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: one thing in common. They hate the other fan base. 123 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: They hate the other team. Probably more hatred between those 124 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: two fan bases than any other baseball rivalry, at least 125 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: from what I've seen. But the thing about Red Sox 126 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: fans and make them similar to Yankees fans, is you 127 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: go out there and you don't pitch, will they will 128 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: turn on you? Like that Lance, You've pitched in Boston 129 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: quite a bit. What's the fan base like in in Boston? 130 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: Because I would I would hardly say there's similarities. Say 131 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: to Cardinal fans. 132 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 4: No, there's not similarities to Cardinals fans. That's for sure. 133 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 4: You're looking at I got lucky. I gotta play in La, 134 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 4: so I got the La Dodger rivalry, and then the 135 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 4: San Diego was a little whatever, and then you know, 136 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: you had Saint Louis in Chicago, New York and Boston 137 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 4: New York, and Boston is a different animal. I will say, 138 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 4: when you're in Boston, when you're warming up in the 139 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 4: fence and that that guy's right here just kind of 140 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 4: screaming clam chowder in your ear and stuff like that, 141 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 4: it gets a little You're just like, all right, dude, 142 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 4: like head on back up there, eat some crab cakes 143 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 4: and keep your mouth shut, like we're good to go. 144 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 4: But I loved it, like those those rivalry games are 145 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 4: my favorite times to play. Were my favorite. Uh they 146 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 4: you just it up for it. I love pitching in 147 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 4: New York. I love like you know you like you 148 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 4: love pitching against Boston when you're in New York. You 149 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 4: love pitching against the Giants when you're in LA. You 150 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 4: love pitching against the Cubs when you're in Saint Louis. 151 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 4: Like that's what the game's about. Those are the games 152 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 4: that are fun and easy to get up for. And uh, 153 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 4: that was why I played the game and enjoyed playing 154 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 4: a game with stuff like that. 155 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: You talk about Giants Dodgers fans don't like each other 156 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: from those two groups gets violent sometimes Yankees. 157 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 4: That's probably the scariest one, to be honest, I was 158 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 4: going to say, we've got we've got murders and the 159 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: Giants Dodgers, I think trumps the Red Sox Yankees. 160 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you have the Cards and Cubs and 161 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: they say they hate each other, but it's really a 162 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: friendly rivalry. But Matt just the Red Sox fan in general, 163 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: that's sort of a different animal. 164 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: Those East Coast fans. It's it's a different animal, isn't it. 165 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 3: Honestly, I always loved playing in Boston. I felt like 166 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 3: it was a little different. I I felt like the 167 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 3: Boston fans were I wouldn't say I didn't think. 168 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 5: They were as cutthroat, if you will, I didn't. 169 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: I didn't. 170 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 3: I didn't think that they were as personal or maybe 171 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 3: as uh, you know, I thought they they like to 172 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 3: boo you, they like to tell you suck, you know, 173 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 3: the standard. 174 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 4: But I loved playing in Boston. 175 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 3: I thought that was I thought that was probably one 176 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 3: of my favorite road places to play. I love the environment. 177 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 3: I love the I mean, outside of the locker room 178 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: being tiny. But I really liked playing there. I mean, 179 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: I think it was a good environment. I thought it 180 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: was a I thought it was a healthy hatred for 181 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 3: the other team. 182 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: And maybe. 183 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 3: I honestly I think, you know, as a left fielder 184 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: in Boston, maybe I was was shielded from a little 185 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 3: bit of it because of the Green Monster. You know, 186 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 3: I got some of the fans from the side a 187 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 3: little bit above the Monster. But I always felt like, 188 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: that's just a great sports city and it wasn't really Uh. 189 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: They weren't getting personal. They weren't you know, diving into 190 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 3: stuff that that they knew. 191 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 4: Was you know, personal. 192 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 3: I think, and and and again, this is generally speaking. 193 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: I'm sure you know, some guys have had some really 194 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 3: horrors and his experiences there. Just like every other venue 195 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 3: in all of sports, you're gonna have the outliers. Uh. 196 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: But I thought, in general, I liked playing in Boston. 197 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 3: I thought it was in Philadelphia the same way I 198 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: liked playing there. I thought the fans were harsh, but 199 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 3: not overly, you know, kind of what I had all 200 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 3: heard about with with the with how they were had 201 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 3: the other team. I thought it was it was good, 202 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 3: you know, clean uh banter for the most part. Like 203 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 3: I said, every stadium. I mean, you can go to 204 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 3: Pittsburgh and find a guy, uh that's willing to say 205 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 3: stuff that makes you want to jump in the stands 206 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 3: and rip his head off. But uh, these are these 207 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: are generalities of fifteen years of playing in these different places. 208 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's no stabbings like in Philadelphia. So that's 209 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: a good thing, no question about it. And there are 210 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: good fans in bad in every fan base. So I 211 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: do think the most vile things I've heard yelled at players, managers, 212 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: coaches have come from San Francisco Giants fan That's just 213 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: my experience. They are vile. Another interesting thing that I 214 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: saw in the Athletic Katie Wu had this writing about 215 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: the Cardinals and she said basically that talking to other teams, 216 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: other teams felt the upside for Lars Newbar was higher 217 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: than say Brendan Donovan or an Alec Burlson. And I 218 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: thought that was interesting because we've seen good from Lars 219 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: when he's on the field. He's had some injury issues 220 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: coming off two heel surgeries now, But when you look 221 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: at the numbers, I would think Burlison would be the 222 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: guy that you're most interested. I think he's a year 223 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: younger than new Bar. I know Donovan's younger than both 224 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: of them. But the season that Burlison put together eighteen homers, 225 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 1: two ninety batting average, and you've got the sense that 226 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: he's just scratching the surface. So Lance, I'll ask you, 227 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: when you look at those three guys and who has 228 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: a better upside or the best upside? 229 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 2: Who would you say? 230 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 4: You know, it's tough because they're all three bringing different 231 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 4: aspects to the game for you. So for me, I 232 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 4: understand why people might see that in Lars. I think 233 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 4: you're looking at a guy gets healthy. You're looking at 234 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 4: maybe a change of ballpark. You're looking at a twenty 235 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 4: five to thirty home run possibility. Guy with a very 236 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 4: good idea of the strike zone, takes his walks, plays, 237 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 4: can play all three outfield positions. So there's a little 238 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 4: bit I think that's why they see more of the upside. 239 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 4: And you know, and history of injuries, as you know, 240 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 4: kind of kind of hurts. You know, his trajectory so far, 241 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 4: Brosen's just a hitter. I think in people's eyes, I 242 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 4: think he can play good first base, but first basement, 243 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 4: he swings a lot, so there's not a whole lot 244 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 4: of walks and stuff like that, so I can see 245 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 4: where it might be. And I don't think he's hit 246 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 4: over twenty home runs yet right at twenty both years, 247 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 4: so it's not like a first baseman that hits thirty, 248 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 4: So they don't I don't think they project a thirty 249 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 4: five home run guy. He is kind of who he is. 250 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 4: He's going to hit two seventy five to two ninety 251 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 4: with twenty ish home runs and not walk a lot 252 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 4: and play first base most likely. So and then Donnie's 253 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 4: the guy that can play anywhere on the field, hit 254 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 4: anywhere in the lineup. So I truthfully probably put him 255 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 4: as the most most valuable out of the three. But 256 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 4: I can see the intrigue by by Lars and if 257 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 4: that's the case, in my opinion, with with Donovan and 258 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 4: Lars with going and in their second year of arbitration, 259 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 4: and then kind of the window you're in with the 260 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 4: CBA and this and that, I would try to get 261 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 4: as much as I can for him if those two 262 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 4: guys are up that high on people's list, and go 263 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 4: for it and then kind of restock your double, a 264 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 4: triple A big league team with young guys if you 265 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 4: can get three or four good players because you've got 266 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 4: two years of control over both of them. That's a 267 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 4: very intriguing thought for maybe what him can do. 268 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: And back to how are you? 269 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 5: Hey, hey, gentlemen, what's up? 270 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 4: Yeah? You just a big road of wood at his house. 271 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: You had some wood delivered. Is that what we're doing here? 272 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: Kyle? 273 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 5: I was delivering. I was delivering the wood to the 274 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 5: mill so that we can get a cut. 275 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 4: And that's. 276 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: All right. 277 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: Well, it's good to see. We were talking about upside 278 00:14:59,040 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: and comparative. 279 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: Lead between I get to answer that question. 280 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 5: Are you just going straight to Kyle? 281 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: No? 282 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: I just want to get him up to speed so 283 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: we can formulate his uh his answer. 284 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: Between New PARKI give him a chance. 285 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: Donovan Between between Newpark, Donovan and Burlison. But Matt, I 286 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: understood Lance made some good points about newpar and the upside. 287 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: First of all, his numbers weren't great last year, But 288 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: I didn't realize he was playing on two bad heels. 289 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: But the ability to have some power, which he has 290 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: and also a lot of walks that sort of differentiates 291 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: you from a lot of guys out there. 292 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that the thing that they 293 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 3: they really like about Lars is I think he hits 294 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: the ball hard, Like he's in the top percentages of 295 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 3: of exit velocity in a day and age where guys 296 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 3: are looking at that stuff, they might see something they 297 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: could maybe tweak in his swing that might unlock because 298 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 3: he does. I mean, I don't know exactly what his 299 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: bat speed is. I know they can track all that 300 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: stuff now, I don't know what his exact bat speed is, 301 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 3: but I know he hits the ball and hard and 302 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 3: like the high percentages of hard hit you know speed. 303 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: So I would think it has a lot to do 304 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 3: with teams seeing an upside of if we can just 305 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: maybe tweak this guy's mechanics a little bit, maybe get 306 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: him out of Saint Louis, maybe a more hitter friendly park. 307 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: You could be looking at a at a thirty to 308 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 3: thirty five home run type of power, and like the 309 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 3: metrics would say that he should probably hit more home 310 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: runs if you know, maybe his his angle of his 311 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 3: bat is maybe slightly changed because if you look at 312 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: the numbers, they shouldn't that shouldn't say that, right, Like 313 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: his numbers weren't as good as as Donovan, he doesn't 314 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: have as much, you know, obviously positional flexibility as Donovan. 315 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 3: You know, Burlson won a Silver Slugger, and like Lance said, 316 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 3: he's he's positioned limited. So's he's a first baseman or DH. 317 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 3: But if you just looked at the raw numbers, you 318 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 3: would you would put you would put him third. But 319 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 3: I think people look at and I don't know anything 320 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 3: about the injury, you know, the heels and all that stuff, 321 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 3: and and and I don't know you know how much 322 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: that affected his his numbers this year. So certainly don't 323 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 3: want to discount him playing uh somewhat hurt uh. But 324 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 3: I do think people look at like the raw material 325 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 3: of of Lars and and uh, you know some of 326 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 3: the stats that that are kind of the new age stats. 327 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 3: I think he shines in some of those things. And 328 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 3: so I think that's probably where you're getting maybe some 329 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 3: of this interest that maybe doesn't add up if you 330 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 3: just looked at the kind of the basic numbers. 331 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: Certainly, Kyle, with Lars being healthy is the main thing. 332 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: We know, he's a good player when he's healthy and 333 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: he's dealt with some stuff. But when you look at 334 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: those three guys, who's the guy you would pick as 335 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: a guy with the greatest upside in terms of attracting, 336 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: you know, the best deal if the Cardinals were not 337 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: going to make a trade. 338 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think there's reasons why all of 339 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 5: them are obviously very you know, desired pieces to have, right. 340 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 5: You know. The thing about Lars that I think stands 341 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 5: out and even was in twenty twenty four as well, 342 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 5: was I mean that is his floor. I mean his 343 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 5: floor to me is is an average hitter. I mean 344 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 5: his struggle has been you know, I want to say, 345 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 5: either a seven hundred or an over seven hundred ops 346 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 5: the last two years battling injury and and uh not 347 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 5: playing his best. So I think that's one thing that 348 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 5: really intrigues people. You kind of know what you're getting 349 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 5: when he's you know, just at his base. Donnie to 350 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 5: me is like a Tommy Edmond that doesn't switch in. 351 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 5: I think he's extremely valuable. So I think he's probably 352 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 5: the guy that has the most value of all three 353 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 5: of them. 354 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: So all three guys are exceptional, and I think there's 355 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: a lot of teams would like to have any all 356 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: of them. Those kind of decisions could be made sooner 357 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: than later. With the Winter Meetings coming up. When we 358 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: come back from break, I'm going to ask you, guys, 359 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: what should the cardinals number one priority be at the 360 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: Winter meetings. You are watching Cardinal Territory. Summer is in 361 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: the rearview mirror. 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Of course, 377 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: I have a postage stamp for a backyard. 378 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 2: So gentlemen, Jim, thank you. 379 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: Not to not too chevy, a little, a little shaky, 380 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: but fine for me. I'm a senior citizen. 381 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: After a thank you. Before the break, we talked about. 382 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: What what the Cardinals may or may not do at 383 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: the Winter Meetings, which coming up next week. I'm gonna 384 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: start with Lance on this one. So I think it 385 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: was Lance's question, what should the Cardinals, I'm bloom his staff, 386 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: what should their number one part to be the priority 387 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: be to try to get done at the Winter Meetings. 388 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 4: I think the main thing is to see where you 389 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 4: where you're at with Donovan and Lars on the trade block, 390 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 4: because if you look at what's going on, Aaron Otto 391 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 4: is gonna kind of be a slow play like last 392 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 4: year because of the Bregman situation. So you're gonna have 393 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 4: to figure out that probably at a later date, unless 394 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 4: you're a teams knows they're not in the Bregman situation 395 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 4: and then they know what what money the Cardinals are 396 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 4: going to throw back to get the job done with 397 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 4: with Nolan. So it's figuring out, Hey, if I'm in 398 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 4: a boat where I know that I'm going to probably 399 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 4: like we said, or like I said earlier, if you know, hey, 400 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 4: these two might be on the trade block. They're in 401 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 4: their second year of our our windows probably this way, 402 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 4: and we're not going to sign them to an extension. 403 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 4: Now's the time to maximize their value. So I'm seeing 404 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 4: what's on the table and what I can get for 405 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 4: those two from various teams, and you know, even if 406 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 4: it's a young, controllable top of the rotation arm and 407 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 4: stuff like that, and see where you can go. Because 408 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 4: you get rid of those two, you get three or 409 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 4: four prospects and you see where you're at, or maybe 410 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 4: even two and they're just two big league ready, like 411 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 4: you know, with a lot of service time available or 412 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 4: with a least amount of service time possible, so you 413 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 4: can keep them for a while. That's a that's a 414 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 4: good jump start to your youth movement. 415 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: What about you've met, Yeah, I mean. 416 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 3: I think you're always gauging. I think as you head 417 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 3: into the winter meetings, I think you want to try 418 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 3: to meet with as many teams as possible about pretty 419 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 3: much every player on your roster. 420 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 4: I mean, I think the contrarasts opportunity to see. 421 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 3: What gauge what people, what interests people have in him. 422 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 3: I think obviously, like he said, you're trying to move 423 00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 3: on the aeronauto. 424 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 2: Uh. 425 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 4: You know, maybe you make a. 426 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: Preemptive strike with Boston or you or you try to 427 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 3: find a team that's looking for a third baseman. You 428 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 3: try to maybe work something out. I think, like Lance said, 429 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 3: you you you take a you know, you just take 430 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 3: a gauge on what people are willing to give you 431 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 3: for new Bar and Burlson and Donovan, and if it 432 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 3: matches your window, which I think we would all agree 433 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 3: is probably not this year and maybe maybe even not 434 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 3: next year. If it matches your window to try to 435 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 3: win a World Series, which would you know, just in 436 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 3: my opinion is at least two years away. If it 437 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 3: matches your window better to trade Donovan, Burlson or or 438 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 3: a new Bar, then then you listen. And like Lance said, 439 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know what the other with. 440 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 3: You know, the other teams think of them as far 441 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 3: as what they would give up. But I think you 442 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 3: listen and if it matches your window, then I think 443 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: you consider moving all of them, and so that that 444 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 3: would be That would be what I would probably go 445 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 3: into the Winter Meetings thinking, Kyle. 446 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: First of all, tip of the cap to you for 447 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: delivering the wood. Also making sensational points while driving a vehicle. 448 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: Maybe dangerous, but you're handling very nice. 449 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 5: That's the thing here. I was not watching the camera, 450 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 5: all right. I was being unprofessional to the podcast, professional 451 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 5: to myself. Watching the road is a two point seven 452 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 5: mile drive, all right, So let's not bring up the 453 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 5: fact that I was being dangerous. Okay, there's people that 454 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 5: do interview all the time and drive. Okay, Jim, fair enough. 455 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: Let's say you're not driving lumber around, but you're at 456 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: the Winter Meetings and uh, you're in the role of 457 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: Hein Bloom. What would be the number one priority for you? 458 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 5: Yeah? I think they obviously have an idea. Matt has 459 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 5: brought up about the window, right if their window to win, 460 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 5: and I think it's I think it's really tough when 461 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 5: teams talk about this is our window to win the 462 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 5: World Series? 463 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: Right? 464 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 5: Winning the World Series is just you know, there are 465 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 5: times where it looked like the Dodgers were not gonna 466 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 5: win the World Series, and they were a shoe in 467 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 5: to win it, right, So I mean, I think I 468 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 5: think we're looking at a window to make the playoffs. 469 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 5: As I would probably go a little bit less specific 470 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 5: and say, Okay, if our window to make the playoffs 471 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 5: is next year, then if we don't get something for 472 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 5: any of those three players that makes that more of 473 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,959 Speaker 5: a possibility next year, then you don't move them, and 474 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 5: you figure out two of the three that you're gonna 475 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 5: give extensions to and you start working toward that. That's 476 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 5: what I would do, because ideally I wouldn't trade any 477 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 5: of them. I think they're all winning baseball players that 478 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 5: make your team better and will be on your team 479 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 5: when you try to make that playoff push. And then 480 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 5: you know, twenty will it's twenty twenty seven. You know, 481 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 5: then Donnie's in his what that'd be is last year? 482 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 5: Am I right there? 483 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 3: Right? 484 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 5: Donnie's in his last year? And then that is actually 485 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 5: the year for me that you do like the Minnesota 486 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 5: Twins did in twenty nineteen. You go find those one 487 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 5: year deals that supplement your team and you give yourself 488 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 5: to make a chance make the playoffs. But then you 489 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 5: also have a plan B that you can pivot and 490 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 5: trade guys if you need to. So that would be 491 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 5: the year you have Donnie going into free agency. You've 492 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 5: got three or four other one year deals that make 493 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 5: your team better, and if they don't reach their ceiling 494 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 5: and you're five or six out at the deadline, then 495 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 5: you pivot and you go get players back for him. 496 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 5: But if it works out like it did first in 497 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 5: twenty nineteen, you go and you make the playoffs and 498 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 5: you give the Cardinals fans playoff baseball again. But you 499 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 5: haven't given away guys to mortgage the future. But those 500 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 5: three guys, to me, those are core guys that I 501 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 5: think create a culture. And I think it also shows 502 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 5: the young guys that if you do things right way 503 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,239 Speaker 5: and you play hard, then you're gonna get rewarded. And 504 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 5: that's who we want to have around. 505 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 4: All right. 506 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: Last thing, I'm just gonna get your guys take on 507 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: it real quick. I agree with you. I don't want 508 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: to see any of these guys go. But if I'm 509 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: I'm Bloom my number one priority because I'm trying to 510 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: do it exactly as Lance phrased it to me, right, 511 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: I would say, all right, we have worrying about long 512 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: term and short term. Short term, what do we have 513 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: that fans are excited about jj weatherhol He's also part 514 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: of the long term. He's controllable. We think he's good 515 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: enough where he's gonna be a key part of the team. 516 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: I would try to find a sustainable position for him. 517 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: I believe that second base. Now that means maybe Donovan 518 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: could play. I'll feel I don't care who goes, but 519 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: that's one of my priorities is getting him that that 520 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: spot because he he checks both both boxes near future 521 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: for the fans but also long term and at the 522 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: same time pitching. They're gonna need more starting pitching. 523 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: They got to make a deal. So Lance will tell 524 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 2: me where I'm wrong. Lance tell me if I'm on. 525 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 4: No, I think you're right. I think you're looking at. 526 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 4: The sense of where we're at is they need a 527 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 4: frontline ish young starting pitchers if they can give it 528 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 4: in the trade, and if you can't, then you supplement 529 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 4: it with some you know, guys that you know are 530 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 4: going to give you some innings. And that's that goes 531 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 4: to the same boat that Kyle's talking about. If you 532 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 4: get big league starters and they do what they're supposed 533 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 4: to do with the deadline, you trade him, and then 534 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 4: you just kind of keep adding prospects. I think, JJ, 535 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 4: you got to make a spot for him at second 536 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 4: or third, you know, whatever, which one that you ever 537 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 4: think that he's best positioned to be successful defensively, so 538 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 4: he doesn't have to worry about defense while he's trying 539 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 4: to figure out how to hit the big league level. 540 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 4: So whatever his most natural spot defensively, second or third, 541 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 4: he that's where he goes. And then you say, all right, 542 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 4: you're playing that position, and then now I'm going to 543 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 4: fill in around that with whoever I have left on 544 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 4: my roster. And I'm with Kyle too, is like, hey, 545 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 4: if you have all these guys available and then you 546 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 4: can figure out how to get them on extensions and 547 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 4: this and that, you're in a good spot, especially if 548 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 4: Nato and Contraras get traded this year and then you 549 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 4: figure out, Okay, who's a one year veteran, right handed 550 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 4: hitting bat that I know can teach these guys how 551 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 4: to be big leaders. A lah Hoskins is one of 552 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 4: Kyle's number one guys that he loves. That's a great 553 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 4: fit for Saint Louis and where they're at, and he 554 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 4: had an injury plagued season last year. That'll be a 555 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,239 Speaker 4: great one year deal guy that can come in and 556 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 4: teach Burlson, Donnie all those guys what you know. They 557 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 4: can just be there for those guys as the year 558 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 4: goes on, and he can supplement as a right handed 559 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 4: bat against lefties because they're very left handed dominant. But 560 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 4: those guys are left handed dominant, but can play every 561 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 4: day and should play every day, every one of them. 562 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: JJ Weatherholt Matt People say, seems like a fitted second base, 563 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: maybe third base. Some people have said in the outfield, 564 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: what do you see for him? 565 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 3: Well, I think he's played second has been the thing 566 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 3: that he's played the So anybody that's I mean, the 567 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 3: position that you've played the most in your life is 568 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 3: where you're gonna be the most comfortable. So if their 569 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 3: plan is for him to be of the opening day 570 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,959 Speaker 3: roster next year, I think he would tell you the 571 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 3: position that he's most comfortable being in would be second base. Now, 572 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 3: I haven't seen him play enough defense in the minor 573 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 3: leagues to give you a, you know, a scouting report 574 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 3: on whether he should move to third or you know, 575 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 3: I have not seen him turn double plays enough to 576 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 3: tell you whether it's it's you know, it's efficient enough 577 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 3: to play second base. I think his you know, his 578 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: most value would be if he could stay at second. 579 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 3: If you have a you know, a second baseman that 580 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: can hit you know, two to eighty with twenty, you know, 581 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 3: the kind of on the If that's what his you know, 582 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 3: he could do for you in the next couple of years, 583 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 3: that's a big weapon to have. So I would leave 584 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 3: him a second if if that was again, I have 585 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 3: not evaluated his defense enough to tell you whether he needs, 586 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 3: you know, to slide over to third or potentially to 587 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 3: left field or wherever. But I think he's played the 588 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 3: most second base in his life, and so that would 589 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 3: be probably where where he would be most comfortable if 590 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 3: he's the opening day roster next year. 591 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: Gentleman, Kyle did a fine job driving safely safely apparently 592 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: people do that all the time, and did the podcast. 593 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: We appreciate it. 594 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,719 Speaker 1: We appreciate your guys input, and that's gonna do it 595 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll have another one 596 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: in the near future, and hopefully that one won't suck