WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Why does it feel good to be scared?

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<v Speaker 1>Ay, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, sitting in per day

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<v Speaker 1>and this is stuff you should know. And we're here

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<v Speaker 1>to answer a perennial question that everyone wants to know,

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<v Speaker 1>just why in the gosh darn heck do we make

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves scared on purpose?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Here, scary, real quick, do something. Let's do a

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<v Speaker 2>little exercise.

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<v Speaker 1>You're starting to look old.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, really scary, say boo or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, that's gonna scare you more. Yeah, yeah, okay, boo.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, oh boy. As it turns out, that

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<v Speaker 2>was really exhilarating and I feel great now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well you overcame a fear, a real threat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It is an interesting question though, And thanks to

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<v Speaker 2>our old friends at housetf works dot com as well

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<v Speaker 2>as Psychology Today and the American Brain Foundation, who have

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<v Speaker 2>all as well as other places, looked into that weird

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<v Speaker 2>question of like you were talking about, like why would

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<v Speaker 2>anybody pay to go into a truly terrifying haunted house

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<v Speaker 2>or a truly terrifying movie.

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<v Speaker 1>And like, yeah, we all know anecdotally or personally why,

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<v Speaker 1>but like if you step back and look at it

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<v Speaker 1>from you know, a rational standpoint. It makes zero sense whatsoever,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we're purposefully stimulating a what's meant to be like

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<v Speaker 1>an unpleasant experience, a pleasant response in ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, you know. We'll get into that in

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<v Speaker 2>a second. We need to sort of delineate though, like

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<v Speaker 2>what we're talking about. We did an episode on fear

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<v Speaker 2>a while back. It's a long time ago. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was pretty good on if I remember correctly. But

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<v Speaker 2>we're not talking about anxiety, Like there's anxiety and there's fear.

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<v Speaker 2>Anxiety is the stuff that keeps you up at night,

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<v Speaker 2>like existential threats or am I getting old? Or is

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<v Speaker 2>our country being ruined? Or is there illumining war coming

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<v Speaker 2>to our country? Like things that haven't happened yet that

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<v Speaker 2>you're truly upset and anxious about. Is not the same

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<v Speaker 2>thing as as of something that is like somebody jumping

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<v Speaker 2>out and saying boost something that happens right in front

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<v Speaker 2>of your.

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<v Speaker 1>Face, exactly right, So you got that, And fear is

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<v Speaker 1>about something jumping out right in front of your face.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about like an immediate threat to your well being,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe your life, and it triggers the fight or flight response.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So a little more about that. When you have the

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<v Speaker 1>fight or flight response, your pulse increases, your blood pressure increases,

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<v Speaker 1>you just get ready to run or fly, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the only time you can fly is when you're scared.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. There have been people that research this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a book that we want to shout out called

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<v Speaker 2>Scream Scream with an exclamation point from Margie Key and

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<v Speaker 2>her colleague doctor Greg Siegel, who is director for the

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<v Speaker 2>Cognitive Neuroscience Program at University of Pittsburgh. But they their

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<v Speaker 2>description of what we're talking about, like paying to go

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<v Speaker 2>to a haunted house or something or a really scary movie,

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<v Speaker 2>as voluntary engagement with negative high arousal stimuli. So in

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<v Speaker 2>other words, it's like, yeah, I'll give you my hard

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<v Speaker 2>earned dollars to go into nether world in October and

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<v Speaker 2>because the thrill of getting the doo doo scared out

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<v Speaker 2>of me is like I enjoy that experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So yeah, that's a great, great term for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I say, we take a little break, Chuck, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we come back and we go step by step how

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<v Speaker 1>this whole thing goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's do it, okay, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're talking about fun scary, not fun anxiety. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think there is such a thing really as fun anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess it's like an existential or elevated

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<v Speaker 1>horror movie like that develops a sense of dread. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but it so rarely pays off in a good way.

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<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, I don't know there's a good version of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're talking like scary the fun version, right. And

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<v Speaker 1>one of the main reasons why we do this, it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out, is because we feel a sense of mastery

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<v Speaker 1>over this thing that overwhelms us, because we're choosing to

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<v Speaker 1>do this. That's step one. We're choosing to experience this

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<v Speaker 1>scary thing. And by saying like I'm choosing to do this,

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<v Speaker 1>although of course you don't do this step by step,

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<v Speaker 1>it just kind of happens. You're saying like, I'm in control,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in charge. Yeah, I'm going into the scary haunted house.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's on the premise that I'm not actually going

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<v Speaker 1>to be stabbed. This rating guy, he's just going to

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<v Speaker 1>come up like he's about to say me, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to follow through. Some part of me knows.

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<v Speaker 2>That, Yeah, I mean that's always in the back of

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<v Speaker 2>your head. When you walk into a situation like that,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, I'm gonna be fine. It's not like the

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<v Speaker 2>thrill that you get when somebody jumps out of the

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<v Speaker 2>shadows to you know, with a gun to mug you.

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<v Speaker 2>Not what we're talking about. So that's the first step,

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<v Speaker 2>is you're like acknowledging that you're choosing to do this

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<v Speaker 2>head on, so you've got some mastery. And then then

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<v Speaker 2>the scare happens, whatever that might be, whether it's a

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<v Speaker 2>movie or you know, a haunted house. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>this seems like the obvious ones. I'm trying to think

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<v Speaker 2>of other ways. I guess maybe a scary roller coaster

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<v Speaker 2>or something. If that's a big fear.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that's when the fight or flight kicks in

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<v Speaker 2>and you're just flooded with you know, some really eventually

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<v Speaker 2>feel good stuff that dopamine and oxytocin and endorphins start firing,

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<v Speaker 2>and our our heart rate increases obviously, and our breathing

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<v Speaker 2>and our blood pressure and everything. So that's it's like

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<v Speaker 2>an exhilarating experience like biologically for your body, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yes, like you're you're amped I guess is the

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<v Speaker 1>way to put it. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what did the kids say these days today? Digg

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<v Speaker 2>any toilet, skivitty toilet. By the way, I like diggity toilet.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start a new thing, right boy? That six seven

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<v Speaker 2>thing went away like quicker than I've ever seen anything

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<v Speaker 2>go away.

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading a book last yesterday. It was Crime

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<v Speaker 1>and Punishment. And I'm not just saying this just to

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<v Speaker 1>show everybody. I'm reading Crime and Punishment, But somebody mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>something being like sixes and sevens and I couldn't tell

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<v Speaker 1>from the context what they were talking about. Still, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was kind of positive or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was like, is that where that came from originally?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is it just coincidence?

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<v Speaker 2>That was coincidence because they coincidence because they know where

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<v Speaker 2>it came from, which I want for you to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it was a basketball play being interviewed. But where

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<v Speaker 1>did he.

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<v Speaker 2>Get Yeah, oh, I think it just came out of

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<v Speaker 2>nowhere and it just caught on. But my whole point

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<v Speaker 2>was that thing went away like in a matter of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>I think as soon as all the parents started doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>like every small child. Like I'm talking people my daughter's

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<v Speaker 2>age and younger were like, no, like I did it

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<v Speaker 2>one time. She was like, ah, no, one does that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I feel like that's a valuable lesson. If we

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<v Speaker 1>are ever all annoyed by something that the younger to

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<v Speaker 1>get into it, I think we just start saying it

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<v Speaker 1>our stuff just adopted ourselves for a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, I love it. That's a good We

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<v Speaker 2>should test that out. But the next stupid thing comes along. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you got it all right? So where were we? Fight

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<v Speaker 2>or flight? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we're in fight or flight mode. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>bad for the poor person who were describing because they've

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<v Speaker 1>been stuck in fireflight mode the whole time we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Yeah, toilet's true. But we're back, person, so

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry because now your body, your parasympathetic nervous system

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<v Speaker 1>kicks in. Is like, cool out, everybody. Let's just mellow out.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing actually happened. The threat is gone, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>just feel great. You can feel relaxed, you can feel

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even a sense of giddiness. You know, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>you're experiencing something that you still it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>transition between still having your fight or flight response going

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<v Speaker 1>and the parasympathetic things starting to kick in and take over.

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<v Speaker 1>And while they're kind of those levels are adjusting, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very specific, unique, fun kind of feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. And you can see that step literally

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<v Speaker 2>coinciding with the next benefit rather, which is like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're almost always doing this with like friends and family

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<v Speaker 2>or something like you're out to have a good time

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<v Speaker 2>with a group maybe or a small group, so you're

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<v Speaker 2>building like a bond of an experience that will scary

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<v Speaker 2>that you share together. And like you see it when

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<v Speaker 2>people are exiting nether World or when they're coming off

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<v Speaker 2>of that roller coaster, this almost euphoria of the shared

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<v Speaker 2>experience that everyone has and you're all talking about it like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, that one part, that one room where

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<v Speaker 2>the guy had the chainsaw and I saw like on

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<v Speaker 2>your face like you were about to dodo in your pants,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like it's exhilarating. It's a it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>high that you can see everyone like reliving the experience

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<v Speaker 2>together in this bond that they created that's just like

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<v Speaker 2>super fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is that guys. I mean you mentioned oxytocin

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<v Speaker 1>being released. That would explain that bonding, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And also sometimes you'll like press your face into the

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<v Speaker 1>chest of the whoever.

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<v Speaker 2>You're with, hopefully the person that you're with, right, Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>those places are dark.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to you don't want to do that

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<v Speaker 2>to a perfect stranger.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you're like, oh, you smell like onions. You're not

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<v Speaker 1>my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>My friend smells like cheese, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, foot cheese.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's that feeling of catharsis. There's another I think

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<v Speaker 1>great point too, in addition to that whole feeling of

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<v Speaker 1>catharsis that comes from going through that rigormarole, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is like you're in a that scare place that you

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<v Speaker 1>put yourself in on purpose, right, the voluntary engagement with

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<v Speaker 1>negative high arisal stimuli. It's a place where you are

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<v Speaker 1>it's socially acceptable to do something like scream your head off, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and just let out stress. And that's a huge function

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<v Speaker 1>that those play as well. That's scaring ourselves play as well,

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<v Speaker 1>especially say like a roller coaster.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, Like you know, there's primal scream therapy.

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<v Speaker 2>But a lot of people would say like, well that

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<v Speaker 2>seems pretty weird. But that same person might go to

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<v Speaker 2>a haunted house and scream their head off because it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a socially acceptable thing to do. And if you're

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<v Speaker 2>someone who is, maybe you have like real life anxiety,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe you have work in a place or in

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<v Speaker 2>a situation in your life where you always have to

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<v Speaker 2>maintain like a very high level of decorum. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, go to another world. They should sponsor this thing,

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<v Speaker 2>by the.

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<v Speaker 1>Way, I think so too. That's a great idea.

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<v Speaker 2>We should re release this in October and see if

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<v Speaker 2>we can get another world on board. I don't go

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<v Speaker 2>to those. Did you go to those? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Too scary for me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I haven't been to a real haunted

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<v Speaker 2>house like that. I don't think ever. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>last haunted house I went to was in la Like

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<v Speaker 2>these people got together and did these really really high

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<v Speaker 2>quality ones in the neighborhood a couple over. But I'd

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<v Speaker 2>never paid to go into like the truly horrifying ones.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't either, But it's not because I'm too scared.

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<v Speaker 1>I was kidding about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is it, you know, walk around in the dark

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<v Speaker 2>with a bunch of strangers that might put their head

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<v Speaker 2>in your chest? I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>There's one either, let's go to one this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, there's one here if you're willing to come down

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<v Speaker 1>some Universal Horror Nights. I think it's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Is you me into that kind of thing?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, she doesn't like Peters Emily. All right, they can

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<v Speaker 2>wait outside while we go through.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's fine. They'll have fun doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll drink lemonade out of those big giant novelty plastic linens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's it for short stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Hun Yeah, I think that means we're out. Stuff you

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