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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad, starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows That. Today we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about one of the Menendez brothers being hospitalized with a

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Speaker 1: serious metal cool condition, a TikTok train that leaves a

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Speaker 1: girl in a coma, a terribly frightening new fear relating

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Speaker 1: to staying at a hotel, and yet another story of

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Speaker 1: a patient having the wrong organ removed. All that more

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Speaker 1: on today's episode. Let's get started with Eric Menandez.

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Speaker 2: All right, So, as we've discussed at length on here,

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Speaker 2: the Menandez brothers are still waiting to see if they'll

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Speaker 2: be released from prison. So now it's a couple weeks

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Speaker 2: away from their parole hearing, and Eric Menandez has unfortunately

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Speaker 2: been hospitalized with severe kidney stones and has required multiple

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so normally a lot of times, you know, people

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Speaker 1: a very terribly painful experience, and you go to the

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Speaker 1: hospital and you pass it and you move on and

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Speaker 1: you're just like, Okay, that's not a serious medical condition.

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Speaker 1: But In some circumstances, people could get really really bad

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Speaker 1: kidney stones to the point where it actually fills up

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Speaker 1: their entire kidney and requires surgery to be removed because

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Speaker 1: they're just too large to pass. So in this case,

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Speaker 1: he had large kidney stones in both kidneys. And what

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Speaker 1: happens is that these stones can form. They're called a

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Speaker 1: staghorn calculus because they take on an appearance of almost

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Speaker 1: looking like an antler because the stone actually grows within

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Speaker 1: and crannies of the kidney called the renal pelvis. When

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Speaker 1: you pull this stone out of a kidney, it looks

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Speaker 1: like you're holding antlers.

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Speaker 3: Basically.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're really they're really like beautiful stones to look at. Actually,

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Speaker 1: i've seen a couple in my career. But these particular

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Speaker 1: stones usually form because of certain bacterial infections in the

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Speaker 1: and proteins. And what happens is it calcifies or gets

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Speaker 1: really hard in the kidney, and then all of the

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Speaker 1: urine that's created in the kidney has a hard time

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Speaker 1: and when that urine starts to back up, it can

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Speaker 1: make the kidney get larger, which is called hydro nephrosis.

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Speaker 1: That just means like water in the kidney basically, which

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Speaker 1: is just like essentially pea filling up in the kidney,

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Speaker 1: and over time that could turn into puss and an infection.

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Speaker 1: And I mean this could kill him, Like it is very,

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Speaker 1: very serious, and the fact that he's had to have

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Speaker 1: it could be super super serious. So that's that's why

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Speaker 1: he's hospitalized, because it's really it's really his life could

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Speaker 1: be a danger from becoming septic and possibly dying from this.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine if they get out and then he

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Speaker 2: ends up dying from this like shortly after or something.

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Speaker 1: So let me tell you because I guess I'm just

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Speaker 1: kind of like out of touch. Obviously when I read

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Speaker 1: this article, I'm more shocked about anything is that it

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Speaker 1: said his daughter released that he was in the hospital,

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Speaker 1: Like when did.

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Speaker 3: He have a kid It's not his biological daughter, it's

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Speaker 3: his wife's daughter.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, Because I was just like, wait a second,

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Speaker 1: because I thought and this is like side note. I

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Speaker 1: just read something that like Brian Coberger, I guess in

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Speaker 1: to have conjugal visits.

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Speaker 3: I hope, I hope not.

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Speaker 1: That's why I was wondering, like, well, or Menanda's brothers

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Speaker 1: he entered? But okay, that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: I honestly do not know if they can have conjugal

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Speaker 2: or something like he's what is like talking to other people?

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Speaker 3: What if he gets out?

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Speaker 1: Like what if he gets out and the wife like

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Speaker 2: I think that happens a lot. Actually, Like there's these

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Speaker 1: But it's interesting, right because I feel like like the

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Speaker 2: Well, there's this psychology too that women day prisoners because

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Speaker 2: they have like major t trust issues and they're locked

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Speaker 3: And then when they get out, well, when.

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Speaker 2: They get out too, it's like he's been in jail

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Speaker 2: since what nineteen early I think the.

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Speaker 3: Crime was in nineteen eighty nine, but they weren't.

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Speaker 1: You're saying trust issues like cheating because they can't, yeah,

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Speaker 1: which they still can have multiple relationship we're gotting Anyway,

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Speaker 1: what I'm getting at is he's been in jail since

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Speaker 1: at least their early nineties, so he hasn't experienced life

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Speaker 1: for so long, right, Like he might not want anything

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Speaker 1: to do with her when he gets out because he's like, right,

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Speaker 1: I haven't even been part of.

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Speaker 3: The world and all this technology and all this stuff.

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Speaker 2: I would guarantee they get a podcast when they get out,

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Speaker 2: because that would be enormous for them. Why wouldn't they

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Speaker 2: do that? Make all the money themselves, and I'm sure

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Speaker 2: they'll get paid a hefty five or a hefty salary,

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Speaker 2: so they can't they can't do anything like that now, No,

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Speaker 2: But you know, What really scared me is that I've

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Speaker 2: read that in the prison that cod and they could

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Speaker 2: buy like a tablet that's preloaded with apps so they

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Speaker 2: hope he never comes across ours.

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Speaker 1: Ours is low level compared to what other people are

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Speaker 2: But we probably have like fifteen episodes with his name

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Speaker 2: in the titles. He don't care we're small potatoes, stay

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Speaker 1: He just wants to be like infamous, and he's not

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so confirmed, it's not his biological daughter. It's

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Speaker 2: his stepdaughter. But I understand where your confusion was coming from.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So last.

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Speaker 2: Fall, a seven year old girl was attempting to do

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Speaker 2: a TikTok trend with a squishy toy when suddenly it exploded,

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Speaker 2: leaving her in a coma. So this, do you know

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Speaker 2: what this squishy toy's called.

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Speaker 1: It's called a knee dough.

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Speaker 3: I I was Lillian.

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Speaker 2: Pat all right, Well, I wasn't familiar with it, but

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Speaker 2: it was something When I looked at I was like,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Lilian's had it or wants it, because it's

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Speaker 1: She used to get them all the time, and it's

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Speaker 1: like a it's like a rubber ball that seems like

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Speaker 1: it's filled with like almost like shaving cream or something.

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Speaker 1: It was like very squashy. I guess they're filled with

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Speaker 1: all different sorts of stuff. But this TikTok trend was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm so annoyed by this case. Actually it's like put

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Speaker 1: malleable or whatever. So the kid puts this thing in

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Speaker 1: the time. Gabe can can definitely say that this happens

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Speaker 1: like it's just it's just HILARI, right. So the dad's like,

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Speaker 1: So I guess the kid didn't have a TikTok because

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Speaker 1: Lilian and she's like, why does a seven year old

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Speaker 3: Okay, So TikTok.

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Speaker 1: First of all said they don't allow content that shows

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Speaker 1: and they also said that they don't allow things like that.

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Speaker 1: But you're just like, Okay, well, you're like gaslighting me

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Speaker 1: right now because my kid just saw it on your

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Speaker 3: So like, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I agree with YouTube in the sense of saying, like, well,

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Speaker 2: we do say you can't watch it. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: people don't do it, but that is in their guidelines.

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Speaker 2: But TikTok is ridiculous for saying that because that might

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Speaker 2: be in their guidelines, but they're certainly not monitoring it.

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Speaker 2: Like how is YouTube going to monitor a child watching

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Speaker 2: it on their parents' device. They don't know if a

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Speaker 2: and I see shit every day.

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Speaker 2: So this woman wrote in The Guardian how she was

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Speaker 2: So she's sitting in her bed, she says, she's looking

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Speaker 2: up furniture and all this crazy stuff under there.

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Speaker 3: But it is really scary.

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Speaker 2: This is totally like worse nightmare, and I'm always gonna

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Speaker 2: think about now we're staying at hotels. All right, let's

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Speaker 2: wrap up with this story. So we reported a while

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Speaker 2: back about a surgeon who removed the wrong organ, which

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Speaker 2: truly seemed unbelievable at the time we reported it, and

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Speaker 2: it's happened again.

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Speaker 1: So the case that we reported last year was that

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Speaker 1: a guy was supposed to have his spleen removed and

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Speaker 1: somehow the surgeon accidentally removed his liver, which I don't

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Speaker 1: even understand how that's possible. And it happened again, and

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Speaker 1: this is another case that I'm like, I don't even

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Speaker 1: understand how this happened. So basically this this woman had

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Speaker 1: an ovarian syst and she went in to get laparoscopy,

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Speaker 1: which is when they put a couple incisions in your

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Speaker 1: belly and they stick a camera in along with surgical

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Speaker 1: tools and they're able to pull it out through a

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Speaker 1: small incision. And this type of surgery is done very

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Speaker 1: commonly on people with ovarian tumors because or ovan an

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Speaker 1: ovarian mass, because it's not as invasive as having to

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Speaker 1: cut open their whole belly to go in, because healing

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Speaker 1: from that surgery is just so much harder to do.

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Speaker 1: So sometimes they're able to go in and grab it

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Speaker 1: and pull it out without having to make a huge decision,

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Speaker 1: which is what they did in this case. She had

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Speaker 1: the surgery done and she went home and she was

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Speaker 1: having such bad like pain, bloating, difficulty urinating, so she

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Speaker 1: went it was bad enough that she went back to

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Speaker 1: the hospital and was thinking that she was having complications

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Speaker 1: from her surgery. So she go The first thing that

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Speaker 1: any of the doctors going into the hospital or thinking

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Speaker 1: are like, Okay, it's possible that the doctor had perforated

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Speaker 1: one of her organs accidentally during the surgery. Like something

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Speaker 1: isn't right according to this woman's symptoms and everything. So

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Speaker 1: they decide they're going to do an emergency laparoscopy, which

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Speaker 1: is when they open you up or they go in

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Speaker 1: with the scope and they look. That's a laparotomy is

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Speaker 1: when they actually open your whole belly up. But with

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Speaker 1: the laparoscopy, they're just going in with the camera again

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Speaker 1: just to look to see, like if we could see

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Speaker 1: anything that's like glaringly obviously causing this lady a problem.

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Speaker 1: And when they go in, they realize that her bladder

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Speaker 1: is missing, like a large portion of her bladders missing,

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Speaker 1: to the point where they're like this guy. So the

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Speaker 1: other surgeon calls in a friend and says, is this

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Speaker 1: what I'm really looking at right now?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is.

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Speaker 1: They both agree that like a large portion of her

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Speaker 1: bladder was removed, and so much of it was removed

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Speaker 1: that they weren't able to take what was left of

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Speaker 1: it and repair it together to make it whole again.

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Speaker 1: Because your bladder is it's a hollow organ that your

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Speaker 1: urytors from your kidneys empty urine into and it stores

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Speaker 1: the urine until it's ready to get released. Well, when

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Speaker 1: you're missing that intact hollow organ to hold the urine,

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Speaker 1: then you're going to have all of these problems with

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Speaker 1: your kidneys and everything. You have to have something that's

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Speaker 1: functioning to get the urine outside of your body. And

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Speaker 1: that communication was gone. So they immediately called pathology and said,

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Speaker 1: when this surgeon did the surgery the other day or yesterday,

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Speaker 1: whenever he did it, what tissue did he send down?

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Speaker 1: Did you get ovarian tissue? Because he was supposed to

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Speaker 1: remove an ovary. Well they look under the microscope and

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Speaker 1: they're like, no, it's full thickness wall of the bladder,

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Speaker 1: like he took out her bladder instead. So the ovary

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Speaker 1: cyst is now still there, and now she is missing

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Speaker 1: a bladder, which has led to multiple surgeries. She's gotten

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Speaker 1: multiple kidney infections. She had to have another major surgery

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Speaker 1: where they take a piece of the bowel and they

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Speaker 1: actually reconstruct a bladder out of it, which is something

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Speaker 1: similar to what they do with patients that have bladder

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Speaker 1: cancer that have to have their bladder totally removed.

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Speaker 2: I just really am having a hard time understanding how

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Speaker 2: this happened, because when I just got surgery a couple

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Speaker 2: months ago, I had at least three people the surgeon

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Speaker 2: and like two other people I guess a nurse and

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Speaker 2: somebody else come in and confirm with me the procedure

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Speaker 2: I was having done.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think it was because they did the

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Speaker 1: wrong procedure, because what like this was just botch not

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Speaker 1: knowing what they were looking at anatomy.

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Speaker 2: But what I'm getting at is like, if all those

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Speaker 2: people are confirming with you what procedure you're getting, aren't

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Speaker 2: those people in the room also watching said procedure get

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Speaker 2: done that nobody at any point was like what are

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Speaker 2: you doing? Well?

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Speaker 1: This is the thing though, like if you're a surgical

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Speaker 1: tech and not saying that nurses and surgical techs don't

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Speaker 1: know what they're looking at, because clearly there are some

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Speaker 1: that probably could do a better job than the surgeons

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Speaker 1: could do. But number one, you're like a low level

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Speaker 1: employee compared to the doctor, so you're not going to

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Speaker 1: argue with what they're doing because a lot of times,

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Speaker 1: trust me, in my situation in pathology, I used to

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Speaker 1: argue with the doctor sometimes tell them that they were wrong,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't go well if they don't want.

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Speaker 3: To hear that.

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Speaker 1: Right. But number two, like they're not trained on the

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Speaker 1: level of the surgeon, and they like I talk about

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Speaker 1: this all the time, and the lecture that I just

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Speaker 1: gave in Atlanta, how like things look a certain way

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Speaker 1: when you take rose anatomy and you're looking at fairly

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Speaker 1: normal anatomy and you're looking at illustrations, it shows you

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Speaker 1: the normal way that a uterus and ovaries should look.

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Speaker 1: But once you get pathology and you get in the abdomen,

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Speaker 1: either at surgery, at or autopsy, everything looks completely different.

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Speaker 1: And if she had a big enough ovarian cyst, it

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Speaker 1: could have been like stuck to the front of her

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Speaker 1: bladder and it could have even mimicked her bladder and

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Speaker 1: looked certain similar and the doctor might have thought that

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Speaker 1: the bladder was actually the cyst. It was a mistake

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Speaker 1: on his part. It wasn't like, oh, he went in

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Speaker 1: and took out her bladder by accident. Like it seems

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Speaker 1: like he honestly thought he took out this overian cyst

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Speaker 1: and took her bladder out by accident.

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Speaker 3: This terrifying and didn't.

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Speaker 1: Even like like And the reason I know that is

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Speaker 1: because that isn't you would never approach taking out a

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Speaker 1: bladder with laparoscopically number one and number two. You would

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Speaker 1: close it up in a certain way, and you would

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Speaker 1: have a backup plan like Okay, well, what's going to

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Speaker 1: be used for the temporary bladder until we're able to

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Speaker 1: reconstruct one or they they have it set up so

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Speaker 1: because you're constantly making urine, it has to come out

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Speaker 1: of your body all day every day, So they have

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Speaker 1: to figure out a way to get your urine that's

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Speaker 1: being created in your kidneys out of your body. And

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Speaker 1: that doctor just like ripped out her bladder and like

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Speaker 1: left her there to just like have all these unopened

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Speaker 1: tubes like filling up in her abdominal cavity.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope this guy is still not like he's

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Speaker 2: at least on hiatus or something well got.

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Speaker 1: Fired, which is like I guess reassuring, But I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is this is why medical malpractice has it is

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Speaker 1: is worth it because cases like this, this is not frivolous,

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Speaker 1: this is changing something like she had a laparoscopy to

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Speaker 1: remove an ovarian cyst. There's always gonna be complications that

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Speaker 1: are unavoidable, Like you can get infections from getting surgeries

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Speaker 1: that's really nobody's fault, or you could have a bleeding

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Speaker 1: issue that maybe again is nobody's fault. But like, this

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Speaker 1: is an unforeseen complication due to negligence, and this woman's

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Speaker 1: life is forever changed. And I always think this since

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Speaker 1: the beginning of me working in pathology, thinking about having

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Speaker 1: bladder cancer and what a terrible thing that like when

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Speaker 1: you have an organ that has to be used all

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Speaker 1: the time, that has to be surgically removed and replaced,

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Speaker 1: Like what a like different change of life that would

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Speaker 1: be for you. And this is he shouldn't have even

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Speaker 1: been near her bladder. Like it's just bizarre but very weird.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it is, but this is what happened. And and

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Speaker 1: like I said, like a surgical tech in the room

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Speaker 1: might just not have like noticed, she might have noticed

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Speaker 1: and been like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say

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Speaker 1: anything because like he's the expert. I'm not you know,

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Speaker 1: And Ultimately, it's not it's not their responsibility, like they

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Speaker 1: don't know for sure, they're not trained in that.

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Speaker 2: God, that's just like I'm sure anybody that's surgery now

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Speaker 2: is like super paranoid about it, right, But of course

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Speaker 2: these cases are rare, so let's try to look at

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