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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about an Amazon lawsuit involving the death

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Speaker 1: of a child, a murderer who strangled his wife to

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Speaker 1: death during a conjugal visit, catching a sexually transmitted infection

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Speaker 1: from a water bottle, and tasteless merchandise being sold on Etsy.

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Speaker 1: All that plus a lot more good stuff to talk

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Speaker 1: about today, Let's get started with this Amazon lawsuit, all right.

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Speaker 2: So back in twenty twenty three, this couple and their

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Speaker 2: three year old twins went to take a nap, and

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Speaker 2: beforehand they made sure all the doors were locked, including

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Speaker 2: these sliding glass doors that went into their backyard. So

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Speaker 2: while the parents were asleep, the kids woke up and

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Speaker 2: started wandering around the house, got out the sliding door

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Speaker 2: somehow and ended up in the pool, and both of

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Speaker 2: them were found unconscious.

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Speaker 1: I like, listen, since we're talking about me being super

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Speaker 1: judgmental on the last episode, just gotta go out there

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Speaker 1: and say it, like you just you just like cannot

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Speaker 1: have toddlers walking around the house by themselves. Ever, Like,

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Speaker 1: even if the door's locked. Ever, it's just a terrible idea. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there should never be two adults because when you're sleeping,

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Speaker 1: it's essentially like no one's home. You just cannot do that.

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Speaker 1: But what do you do at nighttime?

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Speaker 2: Though, like when everybody's going to bed. I know this

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Speaker 2: there wasn't like double security in this case, not that

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Speaker 2: all the people in the house were sleeping, because you

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Speaker 2: can't avoid that, like somebody can't be on night watch.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think that at nighttime there's

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Speaker 1: just a less probability of that happening Number one on

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Speaker 1: just because they're in a deeper sleep. If you know

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Speaker 1: that the kids are going to be getting up and

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Speaker 1: going around, I mean, you could do things to stop that,

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Speaker 1: like lock their door. There's no if they are three

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Speaker 1: year old, they and they're in their bedroom and they're safe.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that there's anything wrong with locking the

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Speaker 1: outside of their door so they don't get out if

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Speaker 1: they don't need to get out, because why like why

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Speaker 1: would they need to get out? Do they even are

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Speaker 1: they using the bathroom and stuff by themselves at that point?

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Speaker 1: I guess, so maybe I don't know, well I do.

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Speaker 2: I think it is responsible. Like I have a I

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Speaker 2: have friends with a kid around this age, and they

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Speaker 2: like when he goes to bed and he's in the

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Speaker 2: from the outside, like he can't open the door himself.

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Speaker 2: But like you have to think of the safety risk,

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Speaker 2: like he could get out, he could fall down the steps.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I don't I don't see anything wrong with that.

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Speaker 1: I think that that because even if you think, like

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Speaker 1: if something happens to you and you die in your

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Speaker 1: sleep or whatever happens, like it doesn't matter. The kid'll

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Speaker 1: be safe in that room if that room's one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent baby proof. I just don't like the idea of

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, to me, I'm thinking these parents had

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Speaker 1: because they knew the kids could get out them. They've

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Speaker 1: done it before. It's not like they just thought of that, right,

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Speaker 1: they were just like, oh, let's make sure the back

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Speaker 1: the house. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So this story just it just gets worse because the

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Speaker 2: up calling nine one one, and one of the kids survived,

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Speaker 2: but the other ended up drowning, which is just absolutely horrible.

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Speaker 2: It seems like they placed a chair against the glass

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Speaker 2: and the lock failed on the door, which caused it

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Speaker 2: to unlatch. So now they're suing Amazon for selling them

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Speaker 2: a quote defectively designed sliding door lock.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just I don't agree with this.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a terrible tragedy. I think, like I

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Speaker 1: can't even imagine losing a child, and they're incredibly lucky

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Speaker 1: like I'm a parent and I've done dumb shit before.

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Speaker 1: even see how Amazon, Like let's say Amazon selling a product,

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Speaker 1: Why is Amazon getting sued? What's why? Like, if anything,

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Speaker 1: but what does that have to do with Amazon. They're

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Speaker 1: just distributing it, right.

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Speaker 2: Like Amazon's effectively just the marketplace. And I guess in

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Speaker 2: some sense you could try to hold them responsible for

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Speaker 2: not vetting their vendors.

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Speaker 1: But as we know, like.

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Speaker 2: One of our first external exams with a New York firefighter,

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Speaker 2: and he was explaining that you should only be buying

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Speaker 2: and that a lot of these manufacturers that sell on

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Speaker 2: what's credible and what's not? And I don't really think

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Speaker 2: they're vetting people like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just heard about this too with the

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Speaker 1: just sue everybody for everything's people. There has to be

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Speaker 1: personal responsibility for some things in life. Like there's there's

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Speaker 1: things that are negligent, and then there's things that are this,

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Speaker 1: like if they have so they have videos inside the

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Speaker 1: kids going up to the door and getting on a

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Speaker 1: an interesting situation to think like how they both came

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Speaker 2: I think I think the greater concern here is I

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Speaker 2: think that when people are faced with tragedy, they're looking

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Speaker 2: for somebody to blame. And that's where the Amazon lawsuit

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Speaker 2: comes in. But I think the greater problem here is that,

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Speaker 2: like they did the right thing in making sure the

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Speaker 2: preventative measures, which you need with children a lot of times.

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Speaker 2: All Right, So in West Virginia, the three month old

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Speaker 2: because the dad later admitted to quote squeezing the baby

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were like, yeah, that did happen. So

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Speaker 1: just about like the horrible things that some doctors and

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Speaker 1: The kid had bruising, an a laceration of the esophagus

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Speaker 1: care of the new mathorax. And like imagine being a

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Speaker 1: the dad and it's like, first he denied it, and

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Speaker 1: then he said that he was helping the baby poop,

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Speaker 1: why was the injury all the way up at her

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Speaker 1: chest exactly? And then then the real story came out,

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Speaker 1: which was he was he was stressed out about work,

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Speaker 1: and then he came home and his girlfriend like god

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Speaker 1: on his case, and who's not the baby's mother, it's

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Speaker 1: just another girlfriend, which is like, okay, this kid's three

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Speaker 2: Whatever, But he squeeze with his ex wife and his

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Speaker 1: That's cute. So so yeah, he decided to squeeze the

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Speaker 2: Baby like that. It's so gross. No, it's really disgusting.

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Speaker 2: And also his like ex wife, current girlfriend, whatever situation,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like is she in trouble?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like not reporting or whatever. Yeah, so she

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Speaker 2: she's been charged with gross child neglect resulting in serious

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Speaker 2: bodily injury of an infant. And then the dad has

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Speaker 2: been charged with one count of child abused by a parent,

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Speaker 2: How horrible is this?

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Speaker 1: It's a baby. So the girl this isn't the ex

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Speaker 1: wife that that was the special needs educator. She was

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Speaker 1: just picking the kid up from the custody for the

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Speaker 1: custody swap, right, this was the girlfriend you're talking about the.

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Speaker 2: Girlfriend is the special needs educator.

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Speaker 1: Yeah she lives that she lives with him currently.

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Speaker 2: I don't think yeah so she It just this story

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Speaker 2: is written weird because this this this educator aid is

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Speaker 2: the ex wife and current girlfriend of this man. And

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Speaker 2: then they're referring to the child's mother as the biological mother,

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Speaker 2: and like, we don't know if they ever officially dated.

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Speaker 1: Wait, he's the she's she? Okay, the special needs educator,

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Speaker 1: the one currently living with him is his ex wife

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Speaker 2: Yes, they were married at some point, they got divorced

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Speaker 2: and now they are in a relationship again.

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Speaker 1: Okay. And then so then the baby's mama is like

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Speaker 1: not is not a.

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Speaker 2: Totally separate person that doesn't live in the home.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So they were probably married and then he knocked

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Speaker 1: they're back together again, and this baby mama is like

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Speaker 1: on the side. It's like a it's like the episode

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Speaker 1: of like Choe Kardashian Chloe Kardashian Tristan situation, Like it's

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Speaker 1: that's literally exactly what it's like. Okay, so you are

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Speaker 1: Wow that that's like crazy. So yeah, like, like we

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Speaker 2: I just can't imagine you're allowed to have a conjugal,

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Speaker 1: Well you, I mean you can. I guess if he's

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Speaker 2: I just I don't really know, because it's like you're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's not like it's not like, oh, you

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Speaker 1: You're gonna let that dude have conjugal visits? Come on,

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Speaker 1: well serious, it's it's not you. It's serious. Like he's

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be like the mac Daddy when he goes

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Speaker 2: I if you for saying the picture I sent you

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Speaker 1: That was great. It's just like anytime I see somebody

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Speaker 1: assuming they, you know, doctor's offices have like these urine dipsticks.

435
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: It was probably that, and things lit up on there

436
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: that wouldn't happen if it was just apple juice or

437
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: something like that, Like you wouldn't see evidence of white

438
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: blood cells or red blood cells or anything like that

439
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,719
Speaker 1: protein in certain things. So if they confirmed that it

440
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: was urine, right, So now it's like, well where is

441
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: this coming from?

442
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this lady they don't have security cameras at

443
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,719
Speaker 2: this doctor's office, which I don't think is weird. Like

444
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 2: most of I would say most probably don't write, but

445
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: I don't know.

446
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody should have it at this point,

447
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: Like can't you can't you just like get stuff on

448
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: Amazon or like home depot for pretty cheap. Just it's

449
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: it's just like kind of easy to set this stuff

450
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: up anymore.

451
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: Well that's what this lady did. She ended up buying

452
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Speaker 2: a camera herself for her work station. So she sets

453
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 2: it up, and they said, within a very short period

454
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: of time, she gets this alert that there's motion at

455
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: her desk, and she sees this janitor who's worked at

456
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 2: this doctor's office for twenty years go up to her

457
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: water bottle stick his penis in it and pee insideed

458
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 2: it and he did it multiple times.

459
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. So so she calls the police finally and just

460
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: is like, hey, this guy, I mean it is it's

461
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: definitely like a police worthy thing because that's that's really terrible.

462
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: And the police arrests I guess they come and arrest him,

463
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: and then I don't know where he came out with it,

464
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: and he told them that he had all of these infections.

465
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Speaker 1: He said that he had hepatitis A, and he said

466
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Speaker 1: that he had herpes type one virus. I don't know

467
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: why he willingly gave up that information.

468
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: Well, it seems like they tested his blood and urine.

469
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's that's to cat okay. So that's how

470
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: they figured that out. And the unfortunate part is that

471
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: when they brought this to the women's attention, because obviously,

472
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: like if a person has an exposure like that, you're

473
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: going to encourage them to get tested because they unknowingly

474
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: ingested god knows what from this guy, and apparently not one,

475
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: but multiple women working there had tested positive for herpes

476
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: simplex virus type one and hepatitis A. This is just

477
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: so repulsive.

478
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: It's like not only have you now drank another person's

479
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: pea against your will, but now you're having problems because

480
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: of them.

481
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: So I have questions though, of course, because we've talked

482
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Speaker 1: about I feel like we talked about this, like a

483
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago about a guy peeing in a

484
00:25:55,080 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: hot pot. We talk about men peeing in things couple

485
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: of times on Mother Knows Death, and I've said multiple times,

486
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: like it's really gross, but like you can't really catch

487
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: anything from pay, Like it's not it's kind of highly

488
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: unusual to catch stuff from pay.

489
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: So so you're thinking maybe they had sex with him.

490
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: No, No, I think I don't think that. I think

491
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: that the So the fact that they tested positive for

492
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: Herpes simplex virus type one means absolutely nothing to me

493
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: because you probably will and I will, and everybody that's

494
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: ever had a cold sore like it's just it's it's

495
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: like three point eight billion people in the world have

496
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: this virus and it's estimated that fifty to eighty percent

497
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: of adults have it. So the chance of them just

498
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: having it is just like they just have it. Right,

499
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: It doesn't transmit through urine, although like Herpe's virus can

500
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: live on a surface. So in theory, like if he

501
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: had open sores or whatever, because you could have type

502
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: one on your penis or on your on your mouth.

503
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: Right if he drank out of that cup or if

504
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: he like wiped his penis with sores on that cup,

505
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: then technically, like there would be a possibility that they

506
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: could catch it that way. But so, so I don't

507
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: know if there's more to the story with that. But

508
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: that's like they didn't get it from P.

509
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: But what about the hepatitis.

510
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm almost gonna go as far as say

511
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: the hepatitis too, Like you don't get hepatitis A from P.

512
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: It's the most common transmission is fecal oral Now listen,

513
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: like you can catch it from people because people shit

514
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: and get it on their hands and don't wipe their

515
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: hands good. So if like someone with hepatitis A is

516
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: like preparing food that didn't wash their hands good or like,

517
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: there's a possibility that there was a transfer somehow, but

518
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: just like peeing in a cup, but it just would

519
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: be it would be like less likely. You know, there

520
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: is transmission when you have if you have sex with

521
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: someone with hepatitis A. So I'm thinking that like that's

522
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: a possibility, just because like I don't think that they

523
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: had sex with them. I'm just saying that maybe there

524
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: was some semen involved at some point or something, because

525
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: you don't you don't just get hepatitis A by accident.

526
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: And if multiple people at an office have it, that's

527
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: concerning because it's not like herpe's type one is whatever,

528
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: Like you shared a drink, you could have got it

529
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: when you were a kid, whatever, Like hepe's like a

530
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: little bit different. So I don't I mean, like, it's

531
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: alarming that this guy has it along with three other

532
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: women now that work in the same office. It's just weird.

533
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: Well, it's not POSSI I mean, he seems like a

534
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: foul person, So like, is it not possible that he

535
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: either had fecal matter or like spurm, like some type

536
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: of semen on his peaniss when he was dipping it

537
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: in the cup.

538
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like and if he was dipping it and like

539
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: washing it off in the water and stuff like, that's

540
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: totally possible. It's just the other thing that's really weird

541
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: is like happetitis A is on the vaccine list for

542
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: most people, and I'm thinking, like if these people worked

543
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: at a doctor's office, I feel like you have to

544
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: have all of these vaccines. I don't know, that's just

545
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: that's like when I started working at the hospital, actually

546
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: before I started working there, when I was a student

547
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: rotating there, they were just like, you're not allowed in

548
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: this building to work unless you have all of this stuff.

549
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: And in fact, my measles vaccine was like they did

550
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: my tighters and I was no longer immune to it

551
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: and I had to get it again as an adult.

552
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: They're very strict with that. Now when doctor's offices are

553
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: hiring individuals, I don't know if they have to be

554
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: that strict with the certain vaccines. But the reason that

555
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: they want healthcare workers to have these is because they're

556
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: more prone to being exposed to certain kinds of things

557
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: that the average person wouldn't be exposed to. So like

558
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: you have hepatitis, saying you never worked in healthcare because

559
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: like it's just the thing that that you give, like

560
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: it's one of the childhood vaccination scheduled things. So I

561
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: don't know that, like all of this combined just sounds

562
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: like a little weird to me. I'm not saying that

563
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: it's not true. I'm just kind of Like, it's just

564
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: it's just very unusual circumstances all together. And I mean,

565
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: the guy got arrested. He obviously was peeing and stuff.

566
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm just like curious how they got these weird things.

567
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: And then it was like it wasn't even one person,

568
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: it was multiple people. So was there other things involved?

569
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: Like was he putting poop in their food and stuff?

570
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: Like there's things like that that I would consider, or

571
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: even masturbating or something into their food.

572
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I would say that's like more likely a

573
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: possibility because he said he was doing it on purpose.

574
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: He had a quote sickness, and he didn't know how

575
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: many times he did it or who many how many

576
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: people he did it to, so that's concerning.

577
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, and he only got caught peeing, like we

578
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: don't know what else he did, but I'm there's more

579
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: to the story of what else he was doing, just

580
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: based on that.

581
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: He also worked there for twenty years, so like, was

582
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: this just happening around that time and he was doing

583
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: it multiple times a day or have you been doing

584
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: it the entire twenty years?

585
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: It's so gross?

586
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: Well, how could you ever like if you had worked

587
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: there at any point in that time. How could you

588
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: ever be comfortable knowing that you were near that? All right,

589
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: So this woman and her husband decided to set up

590
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: cameras around their house and see if they could record

591
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: her sleepwalking after seeing another TikToker do it.

592
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, sleepwalking is like an interesting thing.

593
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm watching these videos and they're really interesting.

594
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: But I'm also like, you could totally fake these videos.

595
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I was thinking that too,

596
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: Like if you really I mean, this is the problem

597
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: with social media and stuff. It's like you don't really

598
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: trust anything anymore. Because I sent Maria a few days

599
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: ago this crazy video this girl made that was like,

600
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you the difference between a real video

601
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: and a fake video. And she would be like standing

602
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: in Paris or something, and she'd be like, am I

603
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: here or am I not? And like sometimes she was

604
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: there and sometimes she was not, and she was showing

605
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: like all this stuff, and like there would be a

606
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: baguette in her hand and she'd be like is this

607
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: AI or not? And then she would just like remove

608
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: it from the video, and you're like, holy shit, I

609
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: couldn't even tell that was fake. So now when you're

610
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: watching social media and stuff. You're just like people, you know,

611
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: the kids will show me these videos and stuff and

612
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, that didn't happen. I'm like, this person just

613
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: made this video so it would go viral, and like

614
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: this isn't even real. But the sleepwalking is like a

615
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: thing and people do it.

616
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: Well. The only reason I like, don't. I mean, they

617
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: could very well be making this up. But the only

618
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: reason I'm believing it a little more is because Lilian

619
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 2: does it, and she did it recently at my house

620
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: when they were staying.

621
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: Here, and it scared the shit out of me. Well,

622
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: it's more common to a car in children than adults,

623
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: but adults do it, and especially it has become more

624
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: like known throughout the I don't know, the past twenty

625
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: or thirty years or whenever these drugs came out, like

626
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: all these ambient type drugs and stuff like that, they're

627
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: known to make people sleepwalk. And there's there's stories of

628
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: people like getting in their car and driving on this

629
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: stuff and doing really weird behaviors that they would normally do,

630
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: like getting up and start cooking or something, but also

631
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: doing other weird things that they wouldn't normally do, like

632
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: getting up and peeing in a closet or something like that,

633
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: just being like a like confusion. So it's definitely there's

634
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: documentation of this happening, for sure. It's a real thing.

635
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this girl the case she was doing, you know,

636
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: like I'd never thought about how dangerous it was in

637
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: the sense of like you could possibly get in your

638
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: car and drive or like even leave your house. But

639
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: in this girl's case, she's like putting it. She I

640
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: thought it was interesting. In multiple videos she was doing

641
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: similar things, Like it seems like in both videos she

642
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: put her hair brush in her toaster oven and then

643
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: she would make a plate of something. In one of them,

644
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: she had put an egg and a bunch of mirrlax

645
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: powder on a plate and then put it in the oven,

646
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: and she was like talking the little figurines in her

647
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: house and riding around on one of.

648
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: Her kids scooters. It's it's kind of crazy how the

649
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: brain works, right, It's just like that to me, that me,

650
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: it just sounds like a bunch of jumbled stuff that

651
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Speaker 1: she does throughout the day. That like all is just

652
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: you know when you have dreams where you could normally

653
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: pick out every piece of it and be like that

654
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: was from when I said that, and that's from when

655
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Speaker 1: this happened. But then in the dream, it just really

656
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense because it's just so or maybe

657
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: during the dream it makes a lot of sense. But

658
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: then afterwards, if you were going to tell the story

659
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: to somebody, they would think that you were absolutely out

660
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: of your mind. They'd be like, why would you even

661
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: think that was true? It's so outrageous, But when you're sleeping,

662
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: it's it's real. And I mean, but think about this,

663
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: like if you put a hair brush that's plastic into

664
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: an oven, like that could cause a serious fire. So

665
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: that's scary. Like talk about locking people in bedrooms at night.

666
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: Maybe her husband needs to start doing that. Well.

667
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Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting because they said they have

668
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: a mental checklist they go through every night, which is

669
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 2: making sure you know their doors are locked and making

670
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: sure they're microwave, toaster oven and their oven are all

671
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 2: either turned off or locked so she can't access them.

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Speaker 1: There was this podcaster slash rapper named Joe Buden. Have

673
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: you ever heard of them? No, I don't know what

674
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: he does or whatever, But this was a few months ago.

675
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: He was in his apartment building and he was walking

676
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: around naked and trying to get into a woman's apartment

677
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: and she saw him on the doorbell camera out front

678
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: of his house, out front of her apartment, like trying

679
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: to push in the keypad to get into her apartment.

680
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: He was like totally naked, and he was saying that

681
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: he had like a long documented history of sleepwalking. And

682
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: I just never even thought about that, Like, God, what

683
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: if you live in an apartment building or like super

684
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: close quarters to somebody, And because.

685
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Speaker 2: Like let's say he broke in to her house though

686
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: by it like in his sleepwalk trans legitimately, like how

687
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: is he proving that if he gets arrested in that

688
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: case that he has a history of sleep.

689
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Speaker 1: Well, So so there's cases of that. There was a

690
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: case back in twenty twenty one where this twin do

691
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: you remember this? There were like these twins that were

692
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: seventeen years old and the one twin stabbed the other

693
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: twin to death and tried to blame it on sleepwalking.

694
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Speaker 2: I don't remember this, but go ahead.

695
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: So so that case they were able they were just like, nah, dude,

696
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: you were on your phone like right before the murders happened,

697
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: and his phone was actually still on in his pocket,

698
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: tracking his steps when he walked to his sister's bedroom

699
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,479
Speaker 1: to stabber to death. So they just were like, that's

700
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: not what happened.

701
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Speaker 2: But you argue you were on your phone when you

702
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: were sleepwalking. I'm just it's such a weird thing that

703
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: happens to people.

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00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: It. Yeah, So there's this phenomenon called homicidal somna ambulism, right,

705
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: and that's that's when you it's so it's sleepwalking, but

706
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: homicidal tendencies during that. And I found that there's this

707
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: organization called the Sleep Forensics Associates and they study sleep

708
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: related disorders and their forensic implications, which is really interesting.

709
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: So because obviously like if you're doing stuff like that

710
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: like that lady, and most sleepwalkers will say that like

711
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: my kid for example, like doesn't remember any of it,

712
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: but when I'm interacting with her or Gabiz, we were like,

713
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: she you could tell she's sleeping. It's like this weird

714
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: ass like zombie. Look, it's so freaking weird. But like

715
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: you're like, you know, they come in and she comes

716
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: in and it wakes you up, and then you start

717
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: talking to her and all of a sudden, you like

718
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: look in her eyes and you're like, yeah, no one's

719
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: home right now, Like she's sleeping right. So but if

720
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: you get into a trance almost like that then and

721
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: you're doing things like sticking a hairbrush in a toaster

722
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: of it and all this, well, like how do you

723
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: know if you're killing someone too?

724
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: Well, That's what I'm saying. And it's just such a

725
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 2: weird thing that happens, and like how do you really

726
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 2: do studies on it?

727
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: So apparently there's a show on the Oxygen Network, it

728
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: was on a few months back called Sleeping with Death

729
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: and it talks about case It talks about that institute,

730
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: it talks about cases like this. I'm interested to watch it.

731
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you could stream it now if

732
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: it's still I'm assuming you can though, cause it's it's

733
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: a really interesting subject.

734
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does sound really cool. All right, let's wrap

735
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: up with this next story about this woman who was

736
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: the daughter of a nine to eleven victim. She was

737
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: scrolling through Facebook and was surprised when she got a

738
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: targeted ad for a shirt showing Garfield flying headfirst into

739
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: two towers made of lasagna.

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00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is fucked up. I mean, this is the

741
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: thing right, how the algorithm works for everything. That's always

742
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: gonna say. Yeah, like, she's probably like looking up a

743
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: lot of nine to eleven stuff like her entire life

744
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: because her family was a victim of it and this

745
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: has been her life and unfortunately the algorithm picked this

746
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: up and showed it to her. And I'm I never

747
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: really thought about it until reading this today that there's

748
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: probably a lot of victims of terrible accidents and victims

749
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: of homicide that go through similar things like this of

750
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: content being popped up because of the algorithm. That's something

751
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: that they don't want to see that might be triggering

752
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: like that.

753
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think in this particular story, they're trying

754
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 2: to blame Etsy for allowing this listing, but like they

755
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: have an entire true crime marketplace on there, so it's

756
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 2: like where do you draw the line based exactly this

757
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: is exactly what we were talking about about, like old

758
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: people having babies and people that don't make enough money

759
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: having babies and stuff. It's just like like anything and

760
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: and and like listen, I've had this argument with people

761
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: on Instagram all the time, like anything can be triggering

762
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: to someone.

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00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: I see this shirt and I look at it and

764
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't. I don't get the joke. Like

765
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: I get what they're trying to do with the joke,

766
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I don't understand what nine to eleven

767
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: has to do with Garfield. It's just it's it's just

768
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: like it's hacky, stupid joke.

769
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Speaker 2: It's also like a trend that people it's It's not

770
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying I've seen

771
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: it where it's a trend of people taking miscellaneous objects

772
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: and making them look like the nine to eleven crash.

773
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: But why I I don't. I don't like I but

774
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: like it's just I have no connection to nine to

775
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: eleven and I look at it and I'm just like, yeah,

776
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: you don't go there with that. Like that's like a

777
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: you don't go there with that.

778
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: My greater problem with this is obviously the T shirt

779
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: design is a problem, but like Meta really needs to

780
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 2: get the recommendations under control. For example, like I've talked

781
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: about this a million times on here by this point,

782
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: like every single day when I go on Instagram and Facebook,

783
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: it is feeding the ads for mesothelia, and like it's

784
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: because I wrote an article about asbesos. But let's say

785
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: I really was diagnosed with that. I go on Instagram

786
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: to see pictures of like fashion and other podcasts I

787
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: listen to.

788
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: And houses like escape. Did you see the house that

789
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: from Zillago and mild that I posted in my story

790
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: this week?

791
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: Oh with the blood sweatter.

792
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like an old school bathroom like mine, like

793
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: a pink tile bathroom, and they put blood spatter all

794
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: over the bathroom as if someone was murdered. But it's

795
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: paint in the bathroom. It's outrageous. Go ahead, yeah, but

796
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: you know that's what you want to see though when

797
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: you go online.

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00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: Like yeah, like why are they giving you ads for

799
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: things like this? And even though they could, I know,

800
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: they could defend themselves being like well we just ran

801
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: an ad for Etsy and that's what come up. It's like, nor,

802
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: your system is way more sophisticated than that, and you

803
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 2: know it.

804
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: Oh it is. Yeah, Like that ad wouldn't come up.

805
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean it might now because we're talking about it

806
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: and my phone is sitting by us, so it might

807
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: come up. But like I don't really search about nine

808
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: to eleven stuff, so like that stuff's not going to

809
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: come up. And the thing is with that sea though.

810
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: It's like, and this, this is the argument that I

811
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: have with some people with Instagram because some people will

812
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: say talking about a miscarriage is triggering. People have this

813
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: thing about talking about trigger you need to put a

814
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: trigger warning on this post. And I'm like, something is

815
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: triggering to every person for everything. Like when I see

816
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: this stupid shirt for sale on Etsy, it doesn't trigger me.

817
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: It just makes me look at this is stupid, like

818
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: can't you come up with a better joke whatever, But

819
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't upset me and put me down

820
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: a rabbit hole because like I said, I have no

821
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: connection to nine to eleven. But like other people, do

822
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: different things trigger different people. Like I said, I scared

823
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: the death of ET. I don't want to see a

824
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: freaking et picture if I'm searching through Etsy and I

825
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: see it, like okay, you should put a trigger warning

826
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: on that, Like it's I just don't like it. Like

827
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: anything triggers people differently, so you can't. And like you

828
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: were saying with the true crime the true crime stuff,

829
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: it's like you sell they sell t shirts with like

830
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: crime scene outlines and crime scene tape. Well, somebody could

831
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: see that tape and get triggered by it because their

832
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: father was murdered and they remember seeing that out front

833
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: of their house. Like anything could trigger anyone. So I

834
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's tacky, but like, what are

835
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: you gonna do? No, it's tacky, But I think like

836
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: the problem I'm taking out of this story is with

837
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: Meta's recommendations, because it like seriously is getting out of control.

838
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: Oh it is. I mean we see it all the time,

839
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: and now it's like, I don't know. Me and Gabe

840
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about some sneakers the other day for Lilian

841
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: and then that company started coming up on his algorithm,

842
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, like it's just he's like, yeah, I really

843
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 1: need these like women sneakers in my feed. Now it's

844
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: just and don't like they lie to you and tell

845
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: you that that's not happening. It's just it's more bizarre

846
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: that you see it across Like I go on Instagram,

847
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: I see it. I go on X I see it.

848
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: I go on Facebook, I see it. I go like,

849
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: I go on Google, I see it. It's just like

850
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: all across all apps.

851
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: It just feels like such a violation of like your

852
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: privacy that you're just having a conversation in your house

853
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden there's like a targeted

854
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: ad for what you were just talking about by yourself.

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00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: You know.

856
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's move on.

857
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 2: To Questions of the Day. Every Friday at the app

858
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: Mother Knows Death Instagram account, you guys could head over

859
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: to our story and ask us whatever you want first.

860
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: I struggle with learning, but I really want to do

861
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: something in the medical field. Any advice, I mean, you.

862
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: Could do something that's maybe in like a lesser education,

863
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: like a certificate program kind of, because they're not always

864
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: as intense, although I hear even I remember when I

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00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: was taking classes when I was a teenager for like

866
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Speaker 1: phlebotomy and stuff. If you're not open to learning about

867
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: even the lowest job that you could get in the

868
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: medical field, like doing phlebotomy or something like that, I'm

869
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: not sure that you could really do anything like that

870
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: because even with that, you need to learn a lot

871
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: of different things about the different tubes of blood that

872
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 1: you're using and the chemicals that are in each one,

873
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: and the reasons why. Like this is something that most

874
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: people don't know, but they're when you get your blood

875
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: taken and you know you see all those tubes that

876
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: are like one's purple and one's red and one's yellow.

877
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: There's a certain order that they have to do it

878
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: in because of the chemicals possibly mixing, and you know,

879
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: there's just a certain order that they have to draw

880
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: them in. And you need to know why you're going

881
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: to do this one before this one because the purple

882
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: top tube has an anticoagulant in it versus the red

883
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: top dozen things like that, So you need to learn

884
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and then you need to learn anatomy

885
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: because you could hurt somebody when you're you say, taking

886
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: blood is a simple thing, but you could really hurt somebody.

887
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: So that would be the first kind of job that

888
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: you could really would be taking care of patients. And

889
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with like a certified like a

890
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: CNA or something like. There's all these certificate programs that

891
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: you could do that you don't need college education for.

892
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: But those types of jobs too, they have a lot

893
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: of responsibility because oftentimes you are the person that's like

894
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: taking care of a patient that might be having a

895
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 1: severe issue that you need to be able to recognize

896
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: and go alert the nurse and stuff. So the only

897
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: recommendation I would have if you aren't interested in learning

898
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff. More technical stuff is that

899
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: you could get a job. For example, there was a

900
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: couple jobs in the lab you could get with just

901
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: you don't need a college degree. You could do a

902
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: high school education and you could work as like a transcriptionist,

903
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: or you could work in coding or something like that.

904
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: There's a couple members in the gross room that say

905
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 1: that they work in coding, and they have really interesting stories.

906
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: So get to you get to kind of like hear like, oh,

907
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: this guy came into the hospital with this thing stuck

908
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: in his butt. But you don't really have to take

909
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: care of them or know anything about it. You're just

910
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: entering codes in the computer and helping with billing and

911
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So that might be something that you're

912
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: interested in, all right too.

913
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: Have you ever testified as a forensic expert?

914
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: Nope, and I never will because that's not my job

915
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: as a PA. Maybe certain pas that work at the

916
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's office might get called to testify, but I

917
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: don't think so. I think that that would be strictly

918
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: for the medical examiner to do because ultimately they're the

919
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: physician that signs off on the cases.

920
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: All right, last, is that your natural hair color? Or

921
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: do you dye it?

922
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: I haven't dyed my hair since, like I was, I

923
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: don't even know. I'm trying to think right now.

924
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: I haven't dyed my hair since my wedding, which I

925
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 2: shouldn't even have done, but I did because of getting

926
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: doing the extensions and stuff. But it is like I

927
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: have a lot of gray hair, and I have since

928
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: I was a teenager, and like it is unbelievable the

929
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 2: amount of people that pointed out, like who cares?

930
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: It's so weird to me. I think I haven't dyed

931
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: my hair. I definitely haven't dyed my hair since I've

932
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: had the kids, and it was probably year, Like I

933
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: know who did it, and I haven't even seen that

934
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: person in year, so I'm thinking it was at least

935
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: it was like fifteen eighteen years ago. I haven't dyed

936
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: my hair. Yeah, and same, I don't like my mom,

937
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: like went through such hell to get her because she

938
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: would dye her hair like a burgundy kind of color,

939
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: and and then she she started getting so gray and

940
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: white that like she had this white stripe every single

941
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: couple days when her dye would grow out, and it

942
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: was such hell for her to grow out her gray

943
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: hair because she was finally like, you know what, I'm

944
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: just gonna rock gray hair like I'm in my sixties whatever.

945
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: And it took years for her to really like do that.

946
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: And I was just kind of like, I'm going gry down.

947
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: I just gonna like let it go and see how

948
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: it goes.

949
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I feel too. I'm like, I just

950
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: don't think it's that big of a deal. I guess

951
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: it's hard if people watch.

952
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: Like the YouTube.

953
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: I guess if you look at us, it doesn't look

954
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: like we have any gray hair, but like, no, I

955
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: have a lot in person. So but I just think

956
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: it's so funny when people go out of their way like.

957
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: Oh, you have grays.

958
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I've had grays since I was like,

959
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: I don't know, sixteen years old. I started getting them.

960
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: It's not like there was a lot, but like, what's

961
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: it matter. It's just such a stupid thing to care

962
00:49:59,280 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: about it.

963
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: Really, And I some woman that I know said to

964
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: me once, She's like, oh, I see you have some

965
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: gray hair or something, and I was like, yeah, whatever,

966
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna like let it, like come out and whatever,

967
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: like I'll just rock it. Sometimes I see ladies that

968
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: have these like really good gray hair, and I'm like,

969
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: that looks good, Like, you know, I'll probably be one

970
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: of the ones that have like that ugly gray hair.

971
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: But whatever. Anyway, so she said to me like, oh,

972
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: I wish I could do that. My husband would never

973
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: talk to me again if I didn't dye my hair.

974
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, really, that's so weird. So I said

975
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: to Gabe, like, do you care that I do you?

976
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: And He's just like, I don't know. I never even

977
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: thought about it, Like I don't look at you, you

978
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: know how like guys are, so yeah, He's just like like,

979
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: just look how you on. I don't really care, right,

980
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't like especially when I used to dye my hair.

981
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 1: I used to dye my hair black for like ten

982
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,959
Speaker 1: years probably, and it was a lot of maintenance because

983
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: my hair is this color and doing the black it

984
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it's much of a contrast, but it is.

985
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: When your roots grow in, you could just see it.

986
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: So I constantly, like every two weeks, was always doing

987
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: my roots, and it was a lot of maintenance. And

988
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine now having the gray that how

989
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: much more striking that would be. And I just hate

990
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: the way that that looks with the gray stripe growing

991
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: and with the dyed hair on the end, So I'd

992
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: rather just it be like this.

993
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, thank you guys so much. We

994
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