1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcasts. It is US 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Open Week, the third major of the year at the 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: historic Shinnecock one of the old school, hard flex East 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: Coast golf courses. A lot of history there. Brooks Koepko 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: was a champion in two eighteen, Katief Goosen in two 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: thousand and four. Will the USGA get set up right? 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: They always seem at Shinnecock. The setup always seems to 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: be part of the story. But I thought we'd bring 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: in Ryan Chrysler. He's been taking a deep dive into 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: some of the data and just kind of go over 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: the golf course what the fans watching can expect. But 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: as always, when the USGA chooses to take the US 13 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: Open to one of these old venues with a lot 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: of history, we saw that at Oakmont last year. Shinnecock 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: is one of the big dogs on the USJA circuit. 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, top three course, America's first clubhouse, a lot of history, 17 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: the Corey pave and chef was it ninety five? I 18 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: can't remember ninety five? Yeah, Yeah, just a great place 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: to host the US Open. We had the you know, 20 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: the behind the scenes look in twenty eighteen, we had 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: two players battling on. 22 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Books and DJ were both in the last group 23 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: when I was working with them, and you know, I 24 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: just I remember being there in O. 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: Four. 26 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: But it's an interesting golf course, kind of lynxy, very lenxy, 27 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: kind of wide open. But the weather, the wind, and 28 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: what the USGA decides to do with the greens and 29 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: can they look at weather forecast and get it right. 30 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: It's gone through a lot of different looks. It started 31 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: off one way and then Crenshaw we stored it to 32 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: its wider fairways, and then they came in in twenty 33 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: eighteen and narre the fairways and Brooks is round on 34 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: Sunday and twenty eighteen a lot of irons and three 35 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: irons and four irons off. 36 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, the course gets really firm, fast, bakes out, and 37 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: I think that's what they want, Yes, they want this 38 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: to play bouncy. The runoff areas around these green complexes, 39 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: you can miss a green and be you know, just 40 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: on the front edge and roll back to where you're 41 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: you know, on Sunday, Saturday and Sunday when the when 42 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: the course bakes out, when everything gets really really firm 43 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 1: and fast, you miss a green and then have roll 44 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 1: it all the way back and have a wedge right. 45 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: In doing some of the research, you were doing this 46 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: kind of triangle concept. Talk to me about that and 47 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: what holes are part of this. 48 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's very interesting the way this was designed. 49 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: William Flynn, the designer designed because there's a primary wind 50 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: out of the east right and it's blowing hard. We'll 51 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: be bone hard, especially it sounds like Friday next week. 52 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: And there's these three triangle setups where they have holes 53 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: four or five, six, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, and fourteen 54 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen set up in a triangle. So literally every 55 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: t shot is going to have a different wind for 56 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: that set of holes, and that's a pretty stiff test. 57 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: Especially holes even two through six, two, three, six, and 58 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: nine are the some of the hardest holes on the course, 59 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 2: like most of the teeth, and the difficulty on this 60 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: course is definitely the front nine and it's just it's 61 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: brutal by length, it's brutal by these complexes that are 62 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: bowls upside down. So you missed the green, like you said, 63 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 2: you're gonna have like almost like you know, full wetshot. 64 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 2: And I think the intent, especially with the intel that's 65 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,839 Speaker 2: coming out this past week from Rory and Scheffler, maybe 66 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: a few other people. The fairways are much wider. 67 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: Than they were in twenty eighteen. I heard Royce press 68 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: conference where you said that, So. 69 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: There's gonna be there's gonna be a lot more run 70 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: this year, and then where it runs to its gonna 71 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: be really interesting because now the rough where it runs 72 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: to is gonna be five inches, which is maybe twice 73 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: the length of what it was in twenty eighteen. And 74 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: you also got these sugary, sandy bunker waste bunker areas. 75 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: That's gonna make it difficult too, because you just never 76 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: know what kind of lie you you it. So it's 77 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: gonna be. I think the way it will be presented 78 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: this year it'll be different than eighteen. But I still 79 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: think you're gonna have a lot of players, most likely 80 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: hitting a lot of irons off some of these holes. 81 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: And even Brooks hit a I think a four iron 82 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: on a four hundred ninety five hour poor four last 83 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: year or a last US Open and still had like 84 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: a six iron ND. So there's just a lot of runout. 85 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and take a look at where 86 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: like the teeth of this golf course is as you 87 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: said par seventy are seventy two five. Yeah, two par fives, 88 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: So you've got to take advantage of those, right, those are. 89 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 2: Those are non negotiable birdies. 90 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to. I mean, especially in the US Open, 91 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: because I think the way these golf courses are se 92 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: gets set up and you know that anything around par 93 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: is going to be a good score. Yeah one over 94 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: one last time, Yeah, Brooks one with plus one. So 95 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: the par fives are the legit chances. So let's go 96 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: through some of the really, really tough holes. I think 97 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: the first one is the second hole. 98 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, right off the bat long par three. Yeah, relatively 99 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: benine first of all, and then suddenly you got a 100 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,239 Speaker 2: two hundred and fift the yard par three. For most 101 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: probably golfers listening at home, that's probably a nut driver. 102 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 2: I think Brooks on Sunday hit a four iron from 103 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 2: two sixty four that landed in the front and rolled 104 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: up to about twenty feet. It's just right in your face. 105 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: Here we go, stand up. Have to hit a good job, 106 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: got to hit a good job. 107 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think one of the things that these old 108 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: school US Open courses do is there are tests that 109 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: they provide to where there really is only one answer. 110 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: They force you to just stand up, make your good swing. 111 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: So two hundred and fifty ish par three. So a 112 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: lot of the field, depending on the wind, is going 113 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: to be hitting kind of in that five iron. You know, 114 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: some of the longer hitters maybe downwind could maybe you know, 115 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: nuke six or maybe seven depending on the wind, but 116 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: it's going. 117 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: To probably most likely have to land in the front. 118 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: Correct, There is that opening there, But I think you 119 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: just need to stand up and hit the target, get 120 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: it anywhere on this green, and really look to get 121 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: out with a par. Yeah. 122 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: I mean our non egushiable is basically you just get 123 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 2: out of get out of par threes with pars, where 124 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: bogies are okay, but pars are just a leg up 125 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: on the field. 126 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: So the next hole, the third hole, it's a brutal 127 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: long par four, five hundred and one yards. 128 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 2: Now that's a par five for people listening at home. 129 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: So suddenly the third hole we got a five hundred 130 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: and one yard ish par four where you can carry 131 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: the corner of that fairway. It's two seventy five. But 132 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 2: this green is just diabolical to so U number three 133 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: is just gonna be two and three. If you just 134 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 2: get out of there and even par after three holes, 135 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: you're probably up on the field. 136 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, as you said, the first hole not super 137 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 1: super difficult, but then two and three and the ninth 138 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: green four hundred and eighty two yard par four, it's 139 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: uphill and it's a difficult, difficult hole. We're going to 140 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: see a lot of players struggle on the ninth. 141 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, right back up to the cliphouse, kind of behind 142 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 2: the clip pass dog leg right to left. Maybe kind 143 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: of favors a draw guy like cam. But still when 144 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: Brooks played it, what do you hit on Sunday? Hit 145 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: driver on Sunday? You know, it's it's four hundred and 146 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: eighty yards this year, so you're just gonna have to 147 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: get up and hit a driver. 148 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: The other one that I wanted to talk about on 149 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: the front nine, the sixth hole, one of the blind 150 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: t shots four ninety five. I think that's one of 151 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: the ones where you just don't really you have to 152 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: kind of get a really good visual idea of where 153 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: you're going to hit it in the practice rounds to 154 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: get that site line, to get that visual. 155 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, you're on the tea there and the 156 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: fairway is an s, a sideways s. You're looking at 157 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: the sideways s. So just the visual presentation, you got 158 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: to carry it probably at least I mean, they'll probably 159 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: have it all the way back, so you got to 160 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: at least hit it two fifty based on the wind 161 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: just to get through that hole. And it's the four 162 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: ninety five right, So just a weird visual I would 163 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: say weird. It's kind of a cool kind of shape. 164 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: It's like a race track, yeah. 165 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: But it is kind of blind off the tee. And 166 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: I remember in eighteen, you know, the caddies and the 167 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: players in the practice rounds were hitting you know, multiple 168 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: balls on multiple sight lines to figure out, Okay, how 169 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: much of this can I cut off? How much of 170 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: this hole can I carry? Because at four ninety five, 171 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: if you can get any distance advantage, I think you 172 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: want to try and take advantage of it, especially on 173 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: the front right. 174 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: And then just another diabolical green too. 175 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: Then we go to the back nine. The eleventh hole 176 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: short par three, just under one sixty, but that was 177 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: a really pivotal hole. In twenty eighteen, Brooks hit it 178 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: over the green. 179 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: He had a wedge, I think, yeah, and kinn it 180 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: just left. 181 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: One, bounced it right into the and then if you remember, 182 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: he hit it back into the front bunker, which is 183 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: exactly what he was trying to do. He didn't think 184 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: in talking to him after he played that he thought 185 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: getting it into the bunker was going to be a 186 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: hell of a shot and that was his real only 187 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: chance to get it up and down. We talk about 188 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: all the time how destructive double bogies are to your scorecard, 189 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: but next week there will never be a better example, 190 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: especially on the weekend, to where double bogies will be 191 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: incredibly difficult to recover from. So if you are on 192 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: the leader board near the leader board, in the lead, 193 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: if you can just spend the weekend just getting away 194 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: with making pars us opens, you can survive. They always 195 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: say that there are US Open type pars but I 196 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: think there are US Open type bogies to where you 197 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: know that making bogie and not double is going to 198 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: keep you in the tournament. And I think the eleventh hole, 199 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: if you miss that green, you are staring double bogie, 200 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: You're looking at it into the face, You're just trying 201 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: to make parr. 202 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: Honestly, it's you know, it's less than one sixty maybe, 203 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: and which is maybe pitching with it's maybe nine zine. 204 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: For most of these guys, it's pretty easy to miss 205 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: this green and it just runs back into the left 206 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: and you just have almost no chance. Especially when they 207 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: had them. They probably put the pin where it was 208 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: last time. 209 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: When they put those pins up on the front side 210 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: of that green, which kind of because it's under one 211 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty yards, I mean it's one fifty seven, 212 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: you're probably going. And I think one of the issues 213 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: on that whole r C is downwind. 214 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: I think it was down on. 215 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: I think you're trying to hit a shot and you're thinking, okay, 216 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: this is straight down the breeze. I've got a short 217 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: iron in my hand. But if you miss that long, 218 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: it's dead. But if you missed it short, you have 219 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: no idea what kind of lie you're going to get 220 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: because it's going to run down and you could be 221 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: making X there this course, here's a top player in 222 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: the world. His second shot in a Pares three, he 223 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: intends to hit it into a bunker to give himself 224 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: the best chance to make bogie right. 225 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 2: So I think we will see that type of strategy 226 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: on this whole again, and maybe a few are others 227 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: through out the course. Next one is. 228 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: Fourteen, kind of a little bit uphill back if I 229 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: remember from left to right, yep, I remember in eighteen 230 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: Brooks hit it up on the hill up to the 231 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: right and actually got lucky to get a pretty decent lie. 232 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he hit in the rough driver on fourteen, the 233 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 2: last round, So yeah, man fourteen for the members, it 234 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 2: places four sixty for the pros. Five twenty uphill part four, 235 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,599 Speaker 2: part four yeah, crazy. 236 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: And then the last hole, the finishing hole as always 237 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: in major championships. 238 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: Oh we got yeah, yeah, number eighteen. Yeah, I forgot 239 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 2: about number eight, but you got number eighteen. Just a 240 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: great this to. 241 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: Four ninety back to the clubhouse. 242 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: Yep, just a great visual classic. Par four up the 243 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 2: hill to win a major Brooks smoke driver. Actually wait 244 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: did he hit driver? I think he missed the fairway 245 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 2: on eighteen. I think did he have to chip out 246 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: where he had it? 247 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: He chipped it left, yeah, and then got it up 248 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: and down. 249 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: And got it up and then because he had a 250 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: two shot lead. 251 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: So Brooks won in twenty eighteen. He's a fader of 252 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: the golf ball. Scottie sh Jeffler likes to fade the 253 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: golf ball. Rory mcelroyd likes to draw the golf ball. 254 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: Tommy Fleetwood a little bit kind of straight to maybe 255 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: just not a ton of curve. He had a chance. 256 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: I mean he posted sixty three early in twenty eighteen 257 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: and then let everybody else stare at it, knowing that 258 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: you know that score wasn't going to change anything in 259 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: the course set up RC from a shape standpoint, you 260 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: think it favors drawers or faders. 261 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna lean to the fade guy off the team. 262 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 2: There's seven dog leg left to right, par fours and 263 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: par fives. There's a couple of straight holes and a 264 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: couple right to left, especially like eighteen. But you know, 265 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: for a guy like a DJ Or Brooks, where you 266 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: can just set up and send a fad. 267 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: Gotty scheffler, same just aim down the left side and 268 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: just hammer cut one. 269 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: So I wouldn't be surprised if none of the fade 270 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 2: guys are on the top of the board as we 271 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: get to Sunday, it's still gonna be assuming it's windy 272 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: one or two or three of these days, the guys 273 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 2: that can ship are going to be in there too. 274 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: Patrick Red, Cam Smith, Shane Lowry has I mean short game. 275 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: I think for those type of guys, this is an 276 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: interesting setup because everybody's going to miss greens, everybody's going 277 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: to get bad breaks. And I think those type of 278 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: guys I mean those to me when I think about 279 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: short games, Cam Smith, Patrick Red, Shane Lowry, I mean 280 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: those are the type of short games that in major 281 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: championships can you can save rounds, you can score with rounds. 282 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: I think Patrick Reied finished third or fourth last time 283 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 2: on also number eleven. He was back left and then 284 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: he actually hit the pin and was able to save 285 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: par there, so that was a great hole for him. 286 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean. 287 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: We talked about the hard holes. We talked about the 288 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: par five's being kind of the legit chances where you 289 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: can pick up shots. Any other holes out there that 290 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: you think are first of all, are there any green 291 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: light holes out there? Or are there any kind of 292 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: green light minus holes out there? Man? 293 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: I you know, I'm a golfer. I loved hearing Brooks 294 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: how he played back in our days. I don't think 295 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: there's any green lights at even on some of these 296 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: part fives. This is a yellow and red light golf 297 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 2: force play defense. 298 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think the interesting thing is, you know, 299 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: going into these type of US Open venues right where 300 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: accuracy is so rewarded and hitting the golf ball offline 301 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: is so penal. Right, we've talked about this, but how 302 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: do you play defense in a conservatively aggressive way? 303 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're just trying to take what the 304 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: course gives you. Right, So we're not gonna go back 305 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: left pen maybe like in a number eleven or even 306 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: like a seventeen, where there's literally no place to miss 307 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: it if you go long or left right. So we 308 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 2: got to play defense. We got to hand the ball off, 309 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: we got to hit to the center of some of 310 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: these greens, and some of these greens we have to 311 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: hit to the left side, like number eighteen, Like it's 312 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: a good example, Brooks hit it basically into the stands. 313 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that it came all the way off 314 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: that hill. 315 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: And yeah, so he gave himself like an automatic up 316 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 2: and down for bogie, which was enough to win the 317 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: tournament where he could have maybe gone at the pen 318 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: and maybe he has a difficult three putter and maybe 319 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: even puts in the bunker on the left too. But 320 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: I would say, you know, this is there's a lot 321 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: of handoffs here. This is gonna be a grindedet style 322 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 2: football game defense mind where you're just trying to. 323 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: Put together a bunch of pars. If you think about it, 324 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: you know, strategy would be you've got two par five's, 325 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: which you're looking at saying, okay, those are my two 326 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: kind of birdie chances for the day. And then the 327 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: rest of it is the par game, which we talked about. 328 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: We did a podcast on that, to where if you 329 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: make par or better it's a win. You know, So 330 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: I think you are looking from a strategy standpoint, you're 331 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: looking at the players that can put together these kind 332 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: of you know, hour were hour and a half, two 333 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: hours of just par in the golf course to death. 334 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, carnage is sometimes fun to watch on TV. But 335 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: even like you know, Saturday was the tough round in 336 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: twenty eight twenty eighteen, brookeshot at seventy two and that 337 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 2: was three above the field average. So seventy two to three, 338 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: that's two over par. Yeah, so you know, rounds like 339 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 2: that keep you in the tournament. I kind of like 340 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: the grinded out kind of shoot even par to win 341 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: a major championship. That's kind of what I'm looking for. 342 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: Nothing like an eighteen hunderd like from the twenty seventeen 343 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: US Open or whatever that was, right, I kind of 344 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: like a little carnage out there. 345 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that the US Open 346 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: has historically always done when they go to these kind 347 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: of classic, old school, iconic golf courses, in the way 348 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: they set them up. I think this is as much 349 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: the winner wins it as much mentally as he does 350 00:16:54,960 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: technically or physically. The mental aspect of taking what the 351 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: golf course is giving you. I don't think everybody listening 352 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: has any real concept of how far tour players hit 353 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: the golf ball, how high they can hit golf balls, 354 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: the array of shots that they can hit so. 355 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: They can go like an hour without missing a shit, and. 356 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: They I think when they play week in and week out, 357 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: there really isn't especially a top of the game. The 358 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: best players in the world really don't feel like there's 359 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: any pins they can't get at right. They don't feel 360 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: like their talent level can be kind of squashed. But 361 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: when you go to a US Open, you have to 362 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: somewhat adjust the way you play by strategy and you know, 363 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: I remember Brooks when he won in twenty eighteen. It 364 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: looked like he was going to miss the cut. I mean, 365 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: seventy five in the first round, and halfway through his 366 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: first nine on Friday, I remember thinking he's gonna miss 367 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: the cut, and then just caught fire, hit a bunch 368 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: of quality shots, the putter came alive, and he made 369 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: the cut, and then the rest is kind of history. Right. 370 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: This particular US Open setup is similar to like a guster, 371 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 2: where you just have to be on certain sides of 372 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 2: the golf course on certain holes no matter what. And 373 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 2: if you're out of a position off the tee and 374 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 2: you've got to still lay up, you still have to 375 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 2: play to that particular side and hope that you can 376 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: make that ten footer for bogie. 377 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: What do you think, strategy wise we're going to see 378 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: off the tee and what clues in what Brooks did 379 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. Could you use that as maybe a 380 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: blueprint to try and have that as your strategy. 381 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I'm gonna assume the course is going to 382 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: be firm and fast like it was back then, and 383 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: if with the fairways even wider, I would think some 384 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 2: people will be tempted to hit maybe a little more 385 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 2: three wood, a little more driver action. But I still 386 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 2: think that Brooks blueprint is going to be one of 387 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:54,719 Speaker 2: the standouts. 388 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: And the Brooks blueprint in eighteen on Sunday was what. 389 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: A lot of irons? So I got the whole list 390 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 2: right here. So he hit basically iron on one, driver 391 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: on four, driver around five, three wood on six. Then 392 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 2: we go drive around nine and that was basically it. 393 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: Number ten iron, number twelve iron, thirteen iron, fourteen driver 394 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 2: into the rough, probably could have hit something else there, 395 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 2: fifteen iron, fifteen iron, sixteen, the par five got to 396 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: hit pretty much got a hit driver there. It plays 397 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 2: like six fifteen. 398 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: Ye it was either driver or three wood that he 399 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: roasted down there, yep. 400 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: And then eighteen was a driver yeah. So and his 401 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 2: iron was basically a four iron. 402 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. He was pounding that four iron, you know, on 403 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: a lot of holes, just getting it in play. He 404 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: knew the fairways were firm and fast. How much of 405 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: an advantage do you think next week he is going 406 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: to be distance? 407 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: Honestly, I mean, anyone he's probably playing in this tournament 408 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 2: probably has distance. 409 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: There's there's distance that Russell Henley has and then there's 410 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: distance that Rory McIlroy has and Cameron Young have. 411 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: I would suspect that distance is not going to be 412 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 2: a huge factor. I think the firmer faster it is, 413 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: the more the shorking guys can kind of make up 414 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 2: some ground because the rough is so large and so thick, 415 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: so tall, even if you're having wedges. I think hopefully 416 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: it's so firm and fast with these elevated bullgreens that 417 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: you still can't hold those greens, and the guys that 418 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 2: can chip and put it are the guys that sneak 419 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: in there. 420 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,239 Speaker 1: So from a contender standpoint, give me some names of 421 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: guys that you think this sets up well for. First 422 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: of all, Rory mcelroin and Scotti Shuffler are the top 423 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: of that list. Because there isn't a golf course but 424 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: there isn't a major championship venue right now. That doesn't 425 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: set up well for those two guys. Yeah, John Rahm, 426 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: I think. 427 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 2: Just about to bring up John Ram. The data dive 428 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 2: we just did on him through the lift season so 429 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 2: far is just like crazy good. So even though he 430 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: had a little blip of the Masters, he did granted 431 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 2: the PGA, I fully expect him to be there on 432 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,719 Speaker 2: Sunday doing something. 433 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: What we think about Aaron Raie at a golf course 434 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: like this, the meticulous kind of you know, he's the 435 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: ultimate game planner, right, we talked about he's the ultimate 436 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: break down the golf course. I mean, he will take 437 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: a massive, massive deep dive when he is on site 438 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,479 Speaker 1: to try and take a look at how he plays 439 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: this golf course. 440 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'd say him probably the Molinari guys, right, 441 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: just learning about his game. I would say the data 442 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: and the game plan guys. The game plan guys probably 443 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: have a really big chance. So like the Henley's, the Lowrys, and. 444 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: Then ball striking wise, you gotta think guys like Xander, 445 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 1: Guys like Tommy Fleetwood, Victor Hoblin. I mean, and and 446 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: then the one that I think that everybody is waiting 447 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: is is lud Vig Oberg. I mean, I think you 448 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: know the way that his game I mean, when it 449 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: comes to game style, he bombs it off the tee. 450 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: He can hit his irons, his long irons, he can 451 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: use those as a weapon. Is it a year where 452 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: he gets in contention? We saw him get into contention 453 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: at the Masters A couple of years ago, but I 454 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: think his game is tailor made for big occasions and 455 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: definitely for major championships and US Opens. 456 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: Yes, So I think another one that could throw out there, 457 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: just a local guy here is Eric Cole. He played 458 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 2: a Colonial very nicely, just kind of got beat by Henley, 459 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 2: so his game could kind of stack up. 460 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: I think we'll see a non superstar because if you 461 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: put a good round of golf together, right, if you 462 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: get good breaks, if you get the right side of 463 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: the draw, and you get a hot hand with the 464 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: putter and maybe chip one in, someone will shoot a 465 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: sixty six or sixty seven. You do that at this 466 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,719 Speaker 1: golf course, next week, you were going to catapult up 467 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: the leaderboard. 468 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: I guarantee you something that we shoot sixty three. 469 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: Now. I think the US Open. I remember it at 470 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: Oakmont when Dustin Johnson won Andrew Landry was in one 471 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: of the last two groups, someone who you would never expect. 472 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: So I think the US a couple of years ago 473 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: at Pinehurst with all the great superstars on the leaderboard, 474 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: the household names. Matthew Pavaughan was on the leaderboard who yes, 475 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: had a really good ball striking week, and I think 476 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: a guy like Russell Henley, Guys that don't necessarily vomit, 477 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: but kind of tacticians that can really really think their 478 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: way around the golf course that they don't have tons 479 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: of speed, so they're not going to hit maybe that 480 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: foul ball that can really get you in trouble on 481 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: these type of courses. 482 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Aaron Ry kind of proves that type 483 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 2: of player can still win just been on the course, 484 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: sep and everything. If you can out tactick the heavy 485 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: hitters out there having that strategy, this is a big advantage. 486 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: Course set up wins. Can the USGA not have another 487 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: bogie on their scorecard with guards to some of the 488 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: pin positions that they're going to put on some because 489 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: some of these greens get really much more exposed and 490 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: other Last week at the live event at Valderama, there's 491 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: two greens, the eleventh green and the fifteenth green that 492 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: kind of sit up on the highest point. They always 493 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: are affected much more by the win. They played those 494 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: greens intentionally almost six to seven inches slower on the stimpmeter. 495 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 2: Wow, So what a great US Open tune up though. 496 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think last week for the live guys, 497 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: that's a really good test. A guy like Tyrrel Hatton 498 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: could go to this golf course as well, doesn't necessarily 499 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: have to beat you up with length, hits the golf 500 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: ball incredibly straight, eleven under around Valderama. I think he'll 501 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: go into this tournament with a lot of confidence. 502 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think we'll probably have some ameterers in there too. 503 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: We've got Preston Staut who just won the INAA. We 504 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 2: got the US Amateur champ from last year, Mason how 505 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: There's a few other ameters that qualify last Monday. We're 506 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: recording this the week before the so there might be 507 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: a couple more with draws. But uh, it's just an 508 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 2: interesting field, and I fully expect it'll be one or 509 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: two ameters in the next at some point. 510 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: Don't give me five names that you think are going. 511 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 2: To excluding the guys we work with. Five names. I'm 512 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 2: gonna definitely throw ram in there for sure. I'm definitely 513 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: throw Henley in there for sure. I gotta throw a 514 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 2: European in there, so I'll throw like a Fleetwood in there, 515 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: and then a Lowry for sure. I fully expect Lowry 516 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: to do some shrinking wizardery around this course, and at 517 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 2: least one more. I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised 518 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 2: if Brooks seventh has a big week there. He plays 519 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 2: great in New York. I wouldn't be surprised if ds 520 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: Schambeau hits iron every hole, even on these six hundred 521 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 2: yard par fives, and still reaches the green and does 522 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: something special this week. He's he's been right around, He's 523 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 2: been doing some some good stuff out there and live. 524 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 2: So that those be my five right there about that. 525 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a huge week for Brooks, going 526 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: back to a venue in twenty eighteen when he really 527 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: was kind of the dominant player in the game. I 528 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: think after he won in twenty eighteen and won back 529 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: to back US Opens, it kind of kind of pulled 530 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: him into that kind of major championship dominance. He knows 531 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: how to win. He always said that as a five 532 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: time major champion, the easiest major championship to win is 533 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: the second one because you kind of know what to do. 534 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: So he's comfortable in that chaotic environment and I think 535 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: he'll go with a lot of good vibes. Obviously, Rory, 536 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: you know he's going to be in the mix. I 537 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: think Rom will be in the mix. I think a 538 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: Russell Henley kind of Corey Connors, that kind of player 539 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: that hit a lot of fair ways, hit the golf 540 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: ball straight. I'm gonna go on a limb. I think 541 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: it's time for Seawu Kim to interesting deep, deep in 542 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: a major championship. I think he's such a great ball striker, 543 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: sometimes makes a little bit of questionable decisions. Short games 544 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: a little bit underrated, but I'd love to see Sea 545 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: Wu make a little bit of run. And just from 546 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: my standpoint, I think DJ is playing really really well. 547 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: The driver is a weapon now back to being a weapon, 548 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: and I think. 549 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 2: He's gotta be if you threw all the tours together. 550 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 2: He's probably a top five driver right now. And he's 551 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,239 Speaker 2: a top five putter right now. 552 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's I mean the work he's been doing with 553 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: Eric Dietrich on his putting, he's second on Live in 554 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: putting stats wise, and I think right now in all 555 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: the data that you've been looking at, he's one of 556 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: the best par putters in the world. 557 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 2: He is. I would say he's the best part putter 558 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: in the world probably last two years. 559 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so you're gonna have a lot of eight 560 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: to fifteen foot putts for par in a US Open. 561 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: He's one one at Okama, one of the hardest setups, 562 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: and I think there will be. 563 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 2: The chance to win last time at eighteen. 564 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it always the setup. The venue 565 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: will throw up a couple of unknowns, which is something 566 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: that I think makes it even more interesting. Yeah. 567 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 2: I've got like ten pronouns here, I've got all of 568 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 2: our guys, I've got all the source data. It's always 569 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: going to come down to the guy. He can manage 570 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 2: the chaos of the US Open, and there's a lot 571 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 2: that goes into it. There's management, there's the crowd. The 572 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: Europeans may have a tougher time, but they can kind 573 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 2: of turn that around like they do at the Ryder Cup. 574 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: Typically the champion is always going to have some good 575 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 2: putting rounds, So it's just gonna be worse the watch, 576 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 2: I think, no matter how much data we can kind 577 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 2: of put together here. 578 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we saw this last year at Oakmont. Down 579 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: the stretch, we had some of the game's best players, 580 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: some of the game's biggest stars, and it was JJ 581 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: Spawn that got it done. Carlos Ortiz was on that 582 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: leader board and stuff so deep into a major championship, 583 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: deep into a US Open, the cream is always going 584 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: to rise to the top, but you are going to 585 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: get some guys that for that week or somewhat overachieving, 586 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: riding hot putters, writing great short games, writing accuracy, And 587 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: I think you saw last year JJ Spawn doesn't have 588 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: the length to overpower a golf course. He certainly doesn't 589 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: have the length overpower a US Open type venue, but 590 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: I wouldn't see I mean, yeah, as good as he 591 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: hits it and likes to fade it, which we talked about. 592 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: This guy has spent a lot of practice around the 593 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 2: time with Yeah. 594 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: I mean I watched him hit a lot of balls 595 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: at Oakmont, and I think it's going to be interesting. 596 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: You like the par seventy set up? 597 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: Love it? Yeah? I think taking two par fives away 598 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: from a pro missmakes it just makes it almost like 599 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: the guy at home makes those par fives that were 600 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 2: par four's. Just the two part fours that they shorten 601 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 2: just become exponentially more difficult. 602 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: And length wise. What are we looking at? You think 603 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: they'll play it from. 604 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 2: On paper right now? It's seventy four hundred, assuming it's 605 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 2: firm and fast like it should be the forecast seems 606 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: like it's going to be like that, maybe a little 607 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: cooler early in the week. You know, seventy four hundred 608 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: probably is going to be a net sixty nine maybe, 609 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: and that's gonna make it more difficult because the runouts 610 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 2: are into those little sandy areas five inch rough. And 611 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 2: then you got the fescies too if you really miss 612 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 2: it too. 613 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: And lastly, r C, what's the weather look like and 614 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: what are we looking at from a wind standpoint? 615 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: Right now, it's Fridays projected to be a little windier. 616 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 2: You got some early temperatures in the seventies in the 617 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 2: middle of the week, but as of right now we're 618 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 2: looking at you know, seven days out. It's not perfect, 619 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: but I think we're gonna have some great weather next week. 620 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: Well, I am going up there on Sunday and looking 621 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: forward to it. US Open is always a very very 622 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: special week, but when the US Open goes to great venues, 623 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: and Shittacock is one of the great venues. R C, 624 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: thanks for giving us all the info and we will 625 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: be watching it. I'm sure you'll be watching on. 626 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 2: TV and I'll be in the command center tracking our 627 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: three guys there coming up with maybe a strategy chains 628 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 2: here and there versus the leaders should be fun. 629 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: The Son of a Butch podcast comes to you almost 630 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: every week. Look forward to a great US Open, and 631 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: thanks everyone for listening.