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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 2: name is known.

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Speaker 3: They call me Bed.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Andrew the

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Speaker 4: try Force Howard. Most importantly, you are you. You are here.

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Speaker 4: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 4: We couldn't be more excited for this and a little

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Speaker 4: bit disturbed, to be honest with you, folks, if you

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Speaker 4: are a longtime conspiracy realist, you've doubtlessly noticed the same thing.

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Speaker 4: We all have a strident uptick in reports of mysterious

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Speaker 4: things happening in the sky, unidentified light, mysterious objects, drones

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Speaker 4: that appear to come from somewhere unknown and return to

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Speaker 4: an unknown place.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I was thinking about it.

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Speaker 4: For a lot of us, it's kind of like a headline, right,

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Speaker 4: or a sound bite you read and maybe forget.

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Speaker 2: But well, and for others it becomes a full on obsession.

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Speaker 3: Right right, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 4: You know, for many of us in the audience tonight,

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Speaker 4: there's a story, an incident you witness that you can't explain.

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Speaker 4: You check with friends and neighbors. As the years go on,

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Speaker 4: you may make theories of your own, but every so

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Speaker 4: often an intrepid observer goes a step further, taking on

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Speaker 4: a quest to figure out what on or off Earth

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Speaker 4: is actually happening up there in the sky. And you, guys,

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Speaker 4: in today's interview, we are joined with an investigator who

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Speaker 4: did just that, the one and only Gabe Leonards, the

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Speaker 4: creator and host of Obscurum Invasion of the Drones. Gabe,

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Speaker 4: thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Guys, it's so great to be here. This has been

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Speaker 5: a long time coming and I can't wait to dive

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Speaker 5: in with you.

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Speaker 6: Can I just say, Gabe that when I was listening

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Speaker 6: to the first episode of Invasion of the Drones as

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Speaker 6: a synthesizer nerd, I thought it was really appropriate. The

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Speaker 6: was like, that was very appropriate. So well done on

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Speaker 6: the music portion as well.

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Speaker 5: Hey, we did it for you one.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Thanks you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it your ol msnic drone.

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Speaker 6: I felt seen or heard.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, let's set this scene because on this show,

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Speaker 2: we have discussed multiple drone sightings in multiple parts of

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Speaker 2: the world and at multiple times, but in obscurum we

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Speaker 2: start pretty clearly in late twenty nineteen, right around Christmas time,

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Speaker 2: in a place called Phillips County, Colorado. Gabe, take us

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Speaker 2: to that place. What you're doing at that time? Why

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Speaker 2: this even pings on your radar?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? So, I originally grew up in this small town

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Speaker 5: in Nebraska, which consequently is about thirty miles away from

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Speaker 5: where these sightings first began. I live in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 5: but I was going home for the holidays, and I

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Speaker 5: and it is this police officer who we were talking earlier.

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Speaker 5: I used to chase storms and go out with him

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Speaker 5: and actually spot severe weather in the area. But this

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Speaker 5: there's some weird things happening over people's farms, not only

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Speaker 5: There are all of these flashing lights just hovering all

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Speaker 5: or who they belong to, and I think maybe this

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Speaker 5: an obscure them invasion of the drums that you guys heard,

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Speaker 5: I just started asking questions to try to get to

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Speaker 5: the bottom of what was going on. But more importantly,

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Speaker 5: you know, we've all seen flashing lights in the sky

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Speaker 5: and it's very hard to justify what something is when

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Speaker 5: I thought, why would these things actually be flying? And

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Speaker 5: that's what I wanted to look into, the different theories

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Speaker 6: I love how you just kind of casually dropped they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: Situation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is this is one of the first off

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Speaker 4: This is a a genuine, thorough investigation into unexplained phenomena.

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Speaker 4: It's also, I would say, an exploration of how people

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Speaker 3: This is a.

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Speaker 4: Hometown area for you, and I am so excited from

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Speaker 4: the jump where this guy you know, shows up at

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Speaker 4: It says, Okay, I I thought you might dig into this.

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Speaker 4: Did you immediately go chasing the lights or how did

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Speaker 5: I thought he was crazy at first. I thought I've

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Speaker 5: grown up in this area, you know, I've seen pretty

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Speaker 5: different things. And I thought, what could possibly be in

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Speaker 5: and it's about ten or eleven at night, and you

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Speaker 5: see all of these, you know. I mean, I saw

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Speaker 5: It's just something that's straight out of a sci fi movie, honestly,

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Speaker 5: thought someone has to be flying something or this is

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Speaker 2: So you, Gabe, you actually saw like the smaller drones

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Speaker 6: And there's a great scene where you're kind of experiencing

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Speaker 6: I think that's about right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean I'm about the biggest realist

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Speaker 4: It seemed on end and unlike unlike a lot of

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Speaker 4: but you also learned this is not some sort of

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Speaker 4: locals right start checking in with other people. Could you

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Speaker 4: describe those initial conversations and what the townsfolk were saying

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, this was something where, you know, this whole event

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Speaker 5: was referred to as the Colorado Nebraska Drawn Mystery, and

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Speaker 5: people were seeing all of these drones over such a

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Speaker 5: I mean, the very first time I looked up and

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Speaker 5: service it's dark, it's in the middle of the night,

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Speaker 5: you're in the pasture, and this just isn't something you

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Speaker 5: normally see. And yeah, when I talked to locals, that's

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Speaker 5: one of the first things I did in the you know,

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Speaker 5: And one of the things that really stood out to

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Speaker 5: very very strange in the night sky. Man.

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm mentioning the storm chasing stuff. You did

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Speaker 6: actually go to college for a meteorology correct, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So I originally went to the University of Oklahoma to

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Speaker 3: The upper levels of the app exactly.

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Speaker 5: Right, you have really strong winds with low pressure systems

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Speaker 5: that kind of moved through with heavy snow blizzards, and

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Speaker 4: And you also, you're speaking to just a dovetail on

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Speaker 4: that point. You also speak to professional business owners who

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Speaker 4: of points, you know, would you guys fly a drone

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Speaker 4: out in these conditions? And if so, why, And I

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Speaker 4: love the link. There's this honest tone. You know, you're

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Speaker 4: talking to the experts, and I believe upon relistening multiple

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Speaker 4: times people say, at least for their business, it would

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Speaker 6: And also it seems like another example of when there

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Speaker 6: technology that isn't available, you know, widely, And I wonder

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Speaker 6: if the drone experts spoke to that, like even the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, one of the ones that I talked to had

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Speaker 5: to do with agriculture and when you have drones, it's

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Speaker 5: becoming more and more common to spray different fields instead

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Speaker 5: That, drone out there. You know, I saw I saw

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Right right, that's not to stick on that moment too.

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Speaker 4: So we're going to pause here to let the sponsors

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Speaker 4: Now the story is escalating now there there are going

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Speaker 6: Yeah, best mural game in the airport world, no question

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's on a wall.

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Speaker 5: It's the wall.

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Speaker 3: I did hear they may have taken that mural down.

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Speaker 6: It's a good one.

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Speaker 4: The reason we're bringing this up here, Gabe, is because

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Speaker 4: You're never telling people what you think is happening, like

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Speaker 4: Because you've talked to people from so many demographics, what

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Speaker 5: I mean I heard a lot of theories. I mean,

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Speaker 5: the government has a job to serve and protect, and

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00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 5: you know, there's things we shouldn't know or be aware of.

440
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 5: One of the most interesting things early on, and you

441
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 5: hear this in episode for you know, with that theory

442
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 5: is and I talked to a lot of people as

443
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 5: this thing was really kind of unfolding in the first

444
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 5: in the first few days. So I would say that

445
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 5: with that type of theory, I think more than you know,

446
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 5: people are like, oh, stuff is being hidden. I think

447
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 5: there was just a lot of confusion. I don't really

448
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 5: think anyone really knew what was actually happening here, because

449
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 5: you know, some of those people wouldn't have agreed to

450
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 5: probably talk to me if they were like, oh, there's

451
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 5: nothing to see here. And a lot of times when

452
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 5: and you guys are probably experts on this a lot

453
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 5: more than me, but a lot of times when the

454
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 5: military seems to be testing something or doing something new,

455
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 5: it's kind of a wink and a nod like, oh,

456
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 5: that may be us over there, and like there's not

457
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 5: a lot of you know, there's not a lot of

458
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 5: questions about it, and it's just kind of like, Okay,

459
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 5: it happened, it's over. You know, we may have been

460
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 5: doing something there, but you can't say for sure. But

461
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 5: one of the things that you know with this is

462
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,479
Speaker 5: people went on the record early to say this is

463
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 5: not us, we are not doing this, we are not

464
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 5: involved with this, and they didn't have to release, you know,

465
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 5: statements and just say that. And could it be someone

466
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 5: or some you know, groups or groups that we're not

467
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 5: even aware of. Of course it could be, but you know,

468
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 5: for the most part, you just don't really see that.

469
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 5: And you saw that a lot in New Jersey as well,

470
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 5: where people would go on the record and say, hey,

471
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 5: it's not us. We're not doing this, these aren't us.

472
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,959
Speaker 5: Let's get to the bottom of this mystery together. So

473
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 5: that was one of the big, you know theories specifically

474
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 5: that people thought early. And then of course you had

475
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 5: the you know, the whole kind of alien UFO theory

476
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 5: where there and there were strange things happening around where

477
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 5: people live, like out in the country. You know, you

478
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 5: can't you can you can't discount what some of those

479
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 5: people people said, but I mean it, yeah, just a

480
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 5: very It's kind of just like the real upside down,

481
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 5: real life stranger things type of scenario where a whole

482
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 5: bunch of weird things were going on at the same

483
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 5: at the same time. And you heard that that officer say,

484
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 5: you know, ten miles to Denver International Airport. I mean,

485
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 5: that's not some guy. I mean, that's a police officer

486
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 5: who's in a big county in Colorado. And I can't

487
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 5: remember his title, but he may have even been I

488
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 5: can't remember, but he was fairly high up, and I

489
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 5: mean he's telling you this. This isn't like some random

490
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 5: person on the street, you know.

491
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 6: So yeah, well, I think one thing that you mentioned

492
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 6: early on in the in the series is that the

493
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 6: drone sightings in New Jersey recently have kind of brought

494
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 6: this whole drone spotting thing maybe back into the zeitgeist.

495
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 6: And one thing that I thought was interesting when that

496
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 6: was being reported on was this idea that like drones,

497
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 6: beget more drones, Like you have a handful of drone sightings,

498
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 6: and all of a sudden, every Tom, Dick and Harry

499
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 6: are sending their you know, consumer drones up to check

500
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 6: it out, which may well have led to the kind

501
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 6: of saturation point of all of those drones, not just

502
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 6: a couple. And I'm wondering if you saw anything like

503
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 6: that with this story that you're that you're exploring.

504
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there, you know, there were people who

505
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 5: were talking about taking their own drones up. I mean

506
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 5: there weren't the sheer number of people obviously that live

507
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 5: on the East coast is in the middle part of Nebraska,

508
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 5: and so you didn't see this on a big on

509
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 5: a big scale, just because people weren't living there. And

510
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 5: you can drive anywhere and still see the drones, the

511
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 5: mysterious drones, if you will, and there would be no

512
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 5: one within like you know, fifteen to twenty miles in

513
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 5: any direction, and so it wasn't like their drones were

514
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 5: getting you know, caught up with the other ones. Now,

515
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 5: I was on the ground in New Jersey at the

516
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 5: height of all that craziness. I found myself there, and

517
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 5: you know that that was a little different situation where,

518
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 5: you know, it did seem like there are all these

519
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 5: reports of drones early and then you know, with the

520
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 5: flight paths of JFK and LaGuardia and people taking hobbyist

521
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 5: drones out and probably you know, the military and local

522
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 5: law enforcement having their drones up at the same time,

523
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 5: it kind of created this circus in the sky, if

524
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 5: you will, and you don't really know what was actually

525
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 5: happening there.

526
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 4: Oh I love that circus in the sky.

527
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that was doubt I've got.

528
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 4: If we can talk about this, just to stick on

529
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 4: this for a moment longer. You are speaking with law enforcement,

530
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 4: you're speaking with aviation professionals as well, we're talking with

531
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 4: the FAA and so on. All right, so everybody seems

532
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 4: to agree that there's something up there, right, there's something happening.

533
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 4: There's no one who says, you know, Gabe, you're crazy,

534
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 4: this interview is over or anything like that. But could

535
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 4: you tell us a little bit more about just the

536
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 4: basic legality of drones for anybody who hasn't operated one before.

537
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 4: How do drone enthusiast in general comply with the law.

538
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 4: What's the nature of say a no fly zone? How

539
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 4: close can these get to the airport? Where can they go?

540
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 6: What happens altitude restrictions as well, if I'm not mistaken, But.

541
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, this is something that continues to

542
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 5: get fine tuned. You know, the FAA has had these

543
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 5: this feature, if you will, And there's a lot of

544
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 5: gray area of like you know, having it tagged and

545
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 5: having to register your drone and what do you need

546
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 5: to do Do you have to do that to fly

547
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 5: a drone? Do you not to be able to track them?

548
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 5: No one, in my opinion, no one really knows what's

549
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,239
Speaker 5: happening with those. But typically with a drone, like in

550
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 5: the middle part of the country, the drones are supposed

551
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 5: to be below four hundred feet. When you get above that, uh,

552
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 5: that's where that's where you run into problems. And these

553
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 5: were and these were low, you know, many times two

554
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 5: to three hundred feet off the ground, and when you

555
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 5: get into the area of an airport, they are no

556
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 5: fly zones, and some of the people that I reviewed

557
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 5: said that if they flew hobbyist drones near like a

558
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 5: small airport in southwest Nebraska, northeast Colorado, northwest Kansas, their

559
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 5: drone would come down if they entered that airspace, because

560
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 5: it was like, especially if it was a consumer drone.

561
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 5: But then I also talk to other people who's you know,

562
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 5: their drones weren't impacted by that. But you're generally not

563
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 5: supposed to fly obviously within an airport anywhere, even if

564
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 5: it's you know, even if it's a smaller one. But

565
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 5: you know, the restrictions are lax, and it's very clear

566
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 5: that technology is outpacing what's happening with with drone development

567
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 5: in all areas of the world essentially, and it's very

568
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 5: hard to regulate from the people who I've talked to

569
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 5: who's flying these drones, and what you can actually do

570
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 5: about them once they're in the sky if they do

571
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 5: appear to be doing something that is nefarious or is skeptical.

572
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I keep remembering that line, just to add this in.

573
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 4: I keep remembering that line about the FAA not having

574
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 4: an enforcement arm.

575
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's the real thing.

576
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 5: That's well I mean ask yourself the question when you

577
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 5: were listening. I'm not sure how far you got through.

578
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 5: But there are all these reports of things flying around

579
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 5: during the Colorado Drum mystery. Say a local law enforcement

580
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 5: official calls and reports it and say it gets to

581
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 5: the FAA. You know, what would they tangibly do in

582
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 5: that moment, because by that time the report's been called in,

583
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 5: the things probably not at that specific point, and they

584
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 5: aren't there. I mean, you can't fault them because well,

585
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 5: I mean, what are they physically going to do unless

586
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 5: they can, you know, unless they know where that drune

587
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 5: is originating from and they could take it down remotely.

588
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 5: I mean, it's kind of just a weird, tricky situation

589
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 5: all around, I feel like for sure.

590
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: So let's get let's get back to some of the

591
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: sightings that specifically the Navy has been seeing and finally

592
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: reporting on and telling the public about. So back in

593
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, I think it was, there's a former

594
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: naval pilot named Ryan Graves who testified before Congress and

595
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: he describes basically from twenty thirteen on, he and other

596
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: Navy fighter pilots who would fly things, fly machines like

597
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: f eighteen's they would encounter specific UAP what they described

598
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: as uap as, these black or dark gray cubes inside

599
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: translucent spheres, and they would see these in the sky

600
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: as they're flying, you know, really fast in F eighteen

601
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: and other even more advanced craft. Then in Obscure we

602
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: hear a story from a hunter, a man named Alex Peterson,

603
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: who he has his weapons, a rifle that has a

604
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: thermal scope on it, and he's looking through that thermal

605
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: scope and he describes something really similar down by the water.

606
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: Can you tell us about that?

607
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was one of the things I didn't think

608
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 5: I would encounter, but I actually, you know, I've talked

609
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 5: to him multiple times throughout you know, putting a story together,

610
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 5: and he in the trailer and some of the different

611
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 5: things you've seen in video, I'm sure online that's actually

612
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 5: raw video from his scope of his gun as this

613
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 5: thing is approaching him. So it's not like, you know,

614
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 5: everyone's like, where's the video, show us the video, but

615
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 5: this thing was, Yeah, it was approaching and if I

616
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 5: remember correctly, yeah, he described it as a is a

617
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 5: box with like orange in the middle of it, and

618
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 5: it was yeah, and this was a you know, this

619
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 5: was approaching him and he had to make the decision

620
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 5: of what he was going to do, and he obviously

621
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 5: didn't do it because that's illegal. You never want to

622
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 5: do that.

623
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 6: But to actually shoot down the drone from the grounds, right, Yeah, yeah,

624
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 6: bad idea, not even for social media, Like no, well,

625
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 6: you know.

626
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: Results again, we're using layers. We're calling it a drone,

627
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: but that doesn't sound like a dang drone.

628
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 6: Ghost lights, you know, like swamp gas there, one of those.

629
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 5: That's my favorite. Everyone's like, oh, it's.

630
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: Swamp gas, swamp gas.

631
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 5: I need to look at what the meteorological you know,

632
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 5: set up for swamp gases specifically, so I can I

633
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 5: can debunk that one in real time.

634
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're we're happy to throw our hats in the

635
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 4: ring on that one, Gabe, Yeah, tell me, yeah, We're

636
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 4: we're super pro swamp gas over here as well.

637
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 5: Well.

638
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 2: The theory with that is that it's it's some kind

639
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: of gases that could theoretically ignite and cause fire in

640
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 2: the sky.

641
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 4: But then you have to think about the altitude, right

642
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 4: or the origin of the gas and the mix. I mean,

643
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 4: that's that's the thing that I think is very fair

644
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 4: about this investigation. We're hearing different voices with different perspectives

645
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 4: that sometimes conflict. Will pause here for a word from

646
00:34:51,040 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 4: our sponsors, and we'll be back with Gabe, and we're back.

647
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 4: Everybody is trying to do their level best, right from

648
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 4: civilian witnesses who are saying, look, let me tell you

649
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 4: what I saw as accurately as I recall seeing it.

650
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 4: Here's any evidence I have all the way up to

651
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 4: you know, a really interesting meeting in Brush, Colorado that

652
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 4: you share.

653
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: You share some accounts of this.

654
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 4: It's a strategy meeting right with multiple stakeholders, we could

655
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 4: call them. Whatever people are seeing out there in this area.

656
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 4: It has risen to a level, or risen to a

657
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 4: threshold such that federal and local law enforcement are getting

658
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 4: together to figure out what's going on. Could you tell

659
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 4: us a little bit about their interactions and about this

660
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 4: meeting in Colorado.

661
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I tried to get into this meeting, and this

662
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 5: meeting happened a few weeks after majority of these sidings

663
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 5: really started, you know, ramping up, and I you know,

664
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 5: when I started talking to people, I wasn't even sure

665
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 5: this meeting happened or was going to happen, But it did.

666
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 5: In fact happen, and basically all of these sidings in

667
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 5: northeast Colorado, people were on the brink because no one

668
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 5: was doing anything. And so the FAA supposedly came to

669
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 5: this meeting and set it up. The Colorado Division of

670
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 5: Homeland Security and Emergency Management was there, the Air Force

671
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 5: was there, all these local law enforcement officers from different

672
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 5: areas and all these different states had a big pow

673
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 5: wow and brush Colorado to try to figure out what

674
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 5: they were going to do and form a task force. Now,

675
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 5: as we later learn from people at the meeting and

676
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 5: one of the guys who was going to actually lead

677
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 5: the task force formation, it never really happened. So there

678
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 5: was a whole bunch of talk at this meeting and

679
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 5: no one really took it to the next step. And

680
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 5: it kind of goes back and forth. Was it the

681
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 5: FA's job to do this or was it the local

682
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 5: officials job to do this? And you know, if you

683
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 5: talk to the FAA people, they'll say, well, the reports

684
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 5: just kind of stopped. And if you talk to the

685
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 5: local people, they'll say the FAA dropped the ball and

686
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 5: didn't really push this forward to get it going. But

687
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 5: for lack of a better term, it never really got

688
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 5: off the ground, and there weren't a lot of yeah,

689
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 5: answers following the meeting in fact, and so you know

690
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 5: a lot of people say the reports just dropped off.

691
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 5: But did people become desensitized to just seeing them and

692
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 5: not report them as much? Because I still talk to

693
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 5: people who see these things out there, though not on

694
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 5: a big scale as they were before. And so there's

695
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 5: just a lot of questions surrounding that whole meeting, and

696
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 5: I'm still you know, I hope through this podcast, like

697
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 5: I get more more clarity on that. But I did

698
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 5: talk to a lot of people who were there, and

699
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 5: it's just, yeah, it seems like everyone came together and

700
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 5: nothing happened really.

701
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 6: Well, Matt, I mean, you had a buddy, I think

702
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 6: in North Georgia maybe who was in some strange lights

703
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 6: in the sky. And we have, you know, historical reports

704
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 6: of very similar things, I mean probably further back, but

705
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 6: like the Phoenix lights, like back in ninety seven or whatever,

706
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 6: very similar reports that usually seem to get traced back

707
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 6: to some sort of experimental aircraft. But Matt, what was

708
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 6: the deal with your friend?

709
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: We can talk about it. I had a friend who

710
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: is down near Augusta, Georgia, near Fort Eyes an hour

711
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: and they this friend was seeing you know, orbs as

712
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: they're described, of light in the sky doing kind of

713
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: weird stuff and it's very similar and it actually the

714
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: reason why I wanted to talk to you about this

715
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: is because he started a social media account to you know,

716
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: share videos what he's seeing. And what he found is

717
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: that once he started sharing stuff, the conversation about what

718
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: this could be, the possibilities, and then the stronger voices

719
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: as they come in the opinions of what this potentially

720
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: got weirder and weirder, and then again those opinions got

721
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: stronger and stronger. And you learn a little bit about

722
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: this in the podcast right about what that happens with

723
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: a couple of different groups, Like I think it's the

724
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: drone intelligence center that you speak with someone about just

725
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 2: where once those ideas start being discussed openly, you can

726
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 2: believe stranger things, let's say, than what you might.

727
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 5: Normally absolutely and that was one of the you know,

728
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 5: in this in the podcast, there were so many people

729
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 5: who had different perspectives and more than like you know,

730
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 5: at the same time of getting to the bottom of

731
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 5: this mystery, I really just wanted to document what was

732
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 5: actually happening with all these different people and get their

733
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 5: perspectives and put it somewhere because it was just such

734
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 5: a weird, a weird thing. But yes, I mean, when

735
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 5: people don't have answers about the unknown, it's very clear

736
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 5: that they start, you know, they can take that perception

737
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 5: and make it into something that it may or may

738
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 5: not be. Maybe they're right, maybe they're not. But you know,

739
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 5: especially when people are in kind of siphon groups and

740
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 5: in remote areas, if you're around a group of people

741
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 5: and we get into this in one of the episodes

742
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 5: with a psychologist or a sociologist from Stanford, but if

743
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 5: you get into the group think mentality, and you know,

744
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 5: you see something in the sky and the group of

745
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 5: people validates what you saw in the sky. Even if

746
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 5: what you saw in the sky is not at all

747
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 5: what you saw in the sky, and you have everyone

748
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 5: else telling you that's what you saw, then you know,

749
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 5: you're probably likely going to believe what that group of people,

750
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 5: for lack of a better term, says over time, and

751
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 5: so yeah, kind of what you said.

752
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 4: Is true, especially with the you know, the social dynamics

753
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 4: come into play, right I believe. Our sociologist also points

754
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 4: out it's not just a group consensus building. It's also

755
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 4: guided by perceptions of authority, right, and guided by perceptions

756
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 4: of you know, this is a person I trust for

757
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 4: some other reason. Therefore, what they're saying here, even if

758
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 4: I didn't originally think that it's going to have it's

759
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: going to inspire me to reassess my initial experience.

760
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, and so many people just don't have

761
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 6: a strong enough perspective that it's really easy for the

762
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 6: loudest or most confident voice in the room or in

763
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 6: one of these discussions to steer them, you know, to

764
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 6: to allow people to kind of like have their perspective

765
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 6: shifted because they need that, you know. And sometimes even

766
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 6: if someone is coming at it with authority, it doesn't

767
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 6: mean they actually have the background or the expertise to

768
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 6: make those kinds of claims. And I think we see

769
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 6: that all the time in the echo chamber that is

770
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 6: sort of online conspiracy chatter.

771
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I couldn't I couldn't agree more. I mean,

772
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not in that space as much as

773
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 5: you know, you guys are and stuff. But based on

774
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 5: the limit, you know, you can kind of see that

775
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 5: as well with with the new Jersey, the sightings and

776
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 5: other similar events of that.

777
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 4: You know, oh Chinese weather blued shout out, you know

778
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 4: to our boy from a few years back.

779
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

780
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you've got you've got stories. And forgive me,

781
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 2: I can't remember the gentleman's name, but the person who

782
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: has an inquisitive mind, who is going out there on

783
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 2: social media trying to you know, have other people vet

784
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: his work. Basically as he's taking videos and making recordings

785
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: and saying, hey, I noticed that when I play certain music,

786
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 2: these lights turn blue, and then when I play other music,

787
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: they flashed o their lights' Like what do you guys think? Like,

788
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: that's a really inquisitive mind trying to test variables. And

789
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: so I just imagine somebody like that and I wanting

790
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: so hard to prove scientifically something.

791
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 6: Isn't that just a regular dude or was that an expert?

792
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 6: I'm remembering the soundby but not the identity of this person.

793
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 5: So that's the leader of this group called the drone Hunters.

794
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 5: Basically like formed it was group this you know, this

795
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 5: social media group and they would go out and they

796
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 5: would you know, band together and really try to study

797
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 5: these They were concerned locals. But with that story, I

798
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 5: thought to myself, just like you, I mean, I'm I'm

799
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 5: skeptical at the beginning. And so I called the sheriff's

800
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 5: department in that specific county. And it was very interesting

801
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 5: in that interaction because the guy told me he would

802
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 5: go out there regardless of you know, the the lights

803
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 5: and like the music and everything else. I was like,

804
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 5: could I verify that someone else who lived in the

805
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 5: area was seeing the same type of things at the

806
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 5: time or and continues to see these things? So I

807
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 5: called the sheriff in that specific county in western or

808
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 5: in eastern Colorado. And you know, it was very interesting

809
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 5: because I got this assistant at the sheriff's office and

810
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 5: she was like, oh, let me go ask because I said, hey,

811
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 5: you know, I'm looking into some of those mysterious drone

812
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 5: sightings that had been reported by people who live in

813
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 5: your area. Would I be able to talk to the

814
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 5: sheriff for people still seeing these She waited, she put

815
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 5: me on hold, and she came back and she's like,

816
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 5: there's nothing that's been seen here lately, and the sheriff

817
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 5: doesn't want to talk about it, and I was like okay.

818
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 5: I was like I was like, I was like okay.

819
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 5: And so then I, you know, I found people who

820
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 5: kind of lived outside of that town or the sheriff

821
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 5: lit and called them and they're like, oh, yeah, we

822
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 5: see these or black lights, you know, multiple nights a

823
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 5: week still ever since like the you know, the drone

824
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 5: the drone mystery really kicked off, and my son was

825
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 5: out and he was he was getting the mail. He

826
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 5: saw him the other night, and so then the guy's

827
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 5: story is like, oh, someone else who lives where he

828
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 5: does is seeing these at the same time, not saying,

829
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 5: you know, the weird nature of them, but they are

830
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 5: seeing something in the sky at the same time. And

831
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 5: so take that information however you want. But it's very

832
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 5: it's very curious.

833
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: That's the thing that gets me too.

834
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 4: In the absence of transparency, speculation naturally thrives, right, And

835
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 4: there's not anybody, it seems in the story. There are

836
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 4: people who have strident beliefs of their perspective of what

837
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 4: they've seen, but we don't see anybody pulling a cynical grift,

838
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. We don't see anybody starting

839
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 4: a UFO based cult or anything.

840
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 7: People are hopefully people are trying to that we know

841
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 7: of that we know of right, right, people are trying

842
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 7: to figure this out together, and in doing so, you know,

843
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 7: we could make an argument that perhaps beliefs become more

844
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 7: extreme when you have people kind of bubbled in one space.

845
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 4: Did you run into anybody who had serious contradictions about

846
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 4: another person's perspective regarding the drone mystery.

847
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 5: That's a great question. I honestly, I honestly didn't, because

848
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 5: because it was such a widespread thing. It's not like

849
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 5: someone saw something once and then the other person's like,

850
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 5: well I didn't see it. I don't believe that, because

851
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 5: so many, so many people were seeing things at the

852
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 5: same time. I mean one, you know, one group of

853
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 5: people who you know, my family is friends with even

854
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 5: rented a party bus and went had a party and

855
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 5: went and had like a drone watching party and was

856
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 5: driving around you know, during the time, just for just

857
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 5: for just for fun, for sheer fun. And so it

858
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 5: wasn't like it was a thing where people were just

859
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 5: seeing one or two here there. I mean, they were

860
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 5: seeing them all over the place. And the thing, you know,

861
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 5: I looked back at, you know, some of my notes

862
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 5: and stuff. And one of the first reports that came

863
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 5: in outside of Phillips County was actually in my county,

864
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 5: uh a Chase County, and it was the it was

865
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 5: the it was the sheriff's apartment there that reported seeing

866
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 5: fifty of these things, you know, before people were even

867
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 5: calling him, you know, calling them in and so I mean,

868
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 5: and that was they sent that to to everyone, and

869
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 5: so it wasn't even the people who were leading the

870
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 5: sightings at the very beginning.

871
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: So, yeah, can you tell us who this Matthew Spencer

872
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: guy is? It sounds like a voice actor when you

873
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 2: hear it in the in the episode, You're like, there's

874
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 2: no way this guy talks like that.

875
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 4: Also, can we can we hang out with him on

876
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 4: the party bus?

877
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 5: So I will say, I will say to protect his privacy,

878
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 5: he was so his part was reread because but this

879
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 5: is a real guy. He did go on the record.

880
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 5: We had to we had to protect him. So yes,

881
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 5: there was a voiceover or a voiceover artist reading that

882
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 5: specific part. But this he is, you know, one real person.

883
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 5: He was, according to all of my research, being looked

884
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 5: at by the FAA during that time, and was reaching

885
00:47:54,680 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 5: out to different newspapers in the area, claiming responsibility for

886
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 5: these sightings, and so, yeah, I tracked him down and yeah,

887
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 5: you know, it'd been so such a long kind of

888
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 5: time that had passed. I didn't want to put him

889
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 5: on full blast. But but yeah, but this is a

890
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 5: guy and he was being looked at by the FAA

891
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 5: for being behind these sidings and so that it's all,

892
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 5: it's all one part of the weird, wacky story that

893
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 5: is the drones.

894
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: Well does he ever say what it could be like the.

895
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, so his so, I mean, I don't know how

896
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 5: far you've listened, but basically he so his thinking was

897
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 5: that the specific guy that there was a u a

898
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 5: P in the area, and his life's mission was to

899
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 5: study UAP, and he had his own drones that he

900
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 5: was like taking them and studying the UAP, and he

901
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 5: had reason to believe that there was a UAP in

902
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 5: the vicinity of the drones, and that was why the

903
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 5: drones were there, because typically in his experience, if there

904
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 5: would be a UAP, drones followed to kind of study

905
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 5: it or study what happened in the area, and that

906
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 5: was kind of his assumption and why he was flying

907
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 5: his own drunes there at the time.

908
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, and well that's sort of the point that

909
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 6: came up around the New Jersey stuff, where it's like

910
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 6: a lot of the clutter of it all were maybe

911
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 6: hobbyists or other people who were curious who own their

912
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 6: own drones kind of going to check out the initial

913
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 6: sightings and then kind of adding to the traffic.

914
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, and so that's where he, you know, he said,

915
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 5: said he was there, and I yeah, and obviously other

916
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 5: people did too. Called he called one of the sheriff's

917
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 5: offices in eastern Colorado and they alerted the FAA. From

918
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 5: what I found out in the FAA, you know, it

919
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 5: appears looked into looked into him and thought he could be,

920
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 5: you know, be involved in some of these so a

921
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 5: person of interest persons of interest which I had to

922
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 5: listen to see what happens. But yeah, but he's very

923
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 5: But but I but I will say that you know

924
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 5: the voiceover actor who read that does he is very

925
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 5: It's a very similar portrayal of the actual guy.

926
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: Interesting.

927
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 3: That's it.

928
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 4: There's a there is an importance there right to protecting

929
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 4: someone's anonymity and what their comfort level may be. And

930
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 4: I think it returns again and again to this idea

931
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 4: of comfort level, right, how comfortable are we sharing this

932
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 4: story or how comfortable are we as you know, law

933
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 4: enforcement professionals talking talking to Gabe and saying, all right,

934
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 4: here's what I can say, here's what I like there.

935
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 4: There's at least one time where someone tells you they're

936
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 4: not going to speak with you unless they get some

937
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 4: paperwork behind it, right, like a public disclosure request or

938
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 4: something of that nature.

939
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there was a lot of people you

940
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 5: know that are weary at first, but it you know,

941
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 5: people who live in that area like, they don't they

942
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 5: don't really care about the perception of what people think

943
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 5: in this capacity. They'll just say it how it is

944
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 5: because you know, they they got to go back to

945
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 5: the farm and work and really don't give a crap what,

946
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 5: you know. They they don't care. They'll just say, oh, yeah,

947
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 5: I saw this weird thing you know happen. I'm not

948
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 5: exactly sure where, you know. Yeah, it is kind of

949
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 5: a taboo subject where some people you know wouldn't want

950
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 5: to talk. But like I said, I mean if the

951
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 5: New Jersey thing doesn't you know, shed enough light on that.

952
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 5: I mean, everyone was talking about it. It's become so

953
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 5: mainstream now with these sightings, especially at Air Force bases

954
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 5: in the UK and Langley and New Mexico and California

955
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 5: in different places, that that it is becoming, you know,

956
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 5: a topic of you know, a topic of conversation.

957
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 4: I do have, I do have on that on that

958
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 4: note about the locals and the rich picture that you paint. Uh,

959
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 4: we in the region, in the town. We're really in

960
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 4: the atmosphere here. Just on a personal note, man, how's

961
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 4: everybody doing interview?

962
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, everyone's doing well. Uh. People are pretty excited about

963
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 5: the podcast. They've they've really enjoyed, They've really enjoyed listening

964
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 5: to it because it was such a weird thing and

965
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 5: they all they all experienced it, you know together, and

966
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 5: so to be able to you know, put this, put

967
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 5: this together and kind of document They're always every time

968
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 5: I would go home, they're like, how's the podcast? How's

969
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 5: the thing coming along. It's taken a while to to

970
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 5: get this off the ground because I do, you know,

971
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 5: I do a few other things in LA and I

972
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 5: wanted to kind of see how it would evolve over

973
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 5: time too, because I talked to the same people, you know,

974
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 5: different times, multiple times throughout the throughout the story, and

975
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 5: so they're they're excited about it. Everyone's everyone's doing well.

976
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 5: And you know, some people are still seeing seeing drones

977
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 5: at there, or what they describe as drone. So it's interesting.

978
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 6: I've said this on the podcast multiple times, but many

979
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 6: many years ago, when I was in a band and

980
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 6: traveling through Nebraska, I very much saw a triangular kind

981
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 6: of kite shaped like an architectural measuring tool, hovering in

982
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 6: the distance. And I had a little camquarder at the time,

983
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 6: and I got video of it on like a mini

984
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 6: DV tape, which I have lost. I have a bunch

985
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 6: of mini DV tapes in a bag somewhere hopefully one

986
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 6: day find. But it was very, very striking and I

987
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 6: will never forget it. And I couldn't tell you what

988
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 6: it was, and I haven't really seen anything since that

989
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 6: fully explains it. In my kind of rational brain, I

990
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 6: like to think maybe I did catch a glimpse of

991
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 6: some kind of experimental aircraft, but it was very odd

992
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 6: and very similar to the way some of the sightings

993
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 6: in Phoenix were described, you know, for the Phoenix Lights scenario,

994
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 6: like in the late nineties. But I understand this idea

995
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 6: I think we all do of seeing something that you

996
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 6: can't fully explain, feeling like you're sort of, in some

997
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 6: small way, part of a larger conversation. Yeah that's interesting.

998
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Yet now I want to see that, but

999
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 5: she don't. But you don't.

1000
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 6: I'll find it right.

1001
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 3: When we've been I've been trying.

1002
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 4: I've been asking this guy for years, if you can

1003
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 4: give me that final push, Let's.

1004
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 5: Let's find the tape. Let's find the tape.

1005
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: I've got I've got one last thing here, Gab that

1006
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 2: i just want to put out there because I there's

1007
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: a feeling in the air, and there has been for

1008
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 2: a long time that the next big military conflict is

1009
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: on its way. When we're talking about like potentially a

1010
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 2: world war of some sort, some form or fashion, with

1011
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 2: all of these massive conflicts that are rising up around

1012
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 2: the world, and that's probably a feeling that humanity has

1013
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 2: shared since the end of the Second World War, right

1014
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: where we're like, oh, the next one's coming, the next

1015
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: one's coming. You have a feeling, at least I do,

1016
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: uh that something's coming. The concept of these drones being

1017
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: used or these whatever, these objects are being used to

1018
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: monitor nuclear sites, so sites that in the heartland of

1019
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: the United States, and you know, in places like Nebraska,

1020
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: in places like Colorado out in the middle of nowhere,

1021
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: missile sites that have nuclear missiles inside them or once

1022
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: did that would be launched in the event that there

1023
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: is a need for those things, at least according to

1024
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 2: the people at the top of the country. What do

1025
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: you think there's any type of experimental aircraft experimental security

1026
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 2: forces that are out there being used. Did you see

1027
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: any evidence of that?

1028
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 5: I mean when I was as far as like, as

1029
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 5: far as related to the drones or as far as yeah,

1030
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 5: I mean I didn't personally see that. I mean, it

1031
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 5: would be a great area too, and that was one

1032
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 5: of the theories test new things. There's not a highly

1033
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 5: dense area out there, and there's a lot of pasture

1034
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 5: and stuff. I didn't see anything, you know, personally in

1035
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 5: that regard. And when it comes to like you said,

1036
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 5: there there are there are missile silos in the area,

1037
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 5: all kind of scattered throughout the great planes, which we

1038
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 5: delve into in the podcast a little bit. But you know,

1039
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 5: one of the biggest things for me with these drones

1040
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 5: and like all the sidings and that in the Pentagon

1041
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 5: went on the record you know about Langley Air Force

1042
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 5: Base and all of those different things, is that it

1043
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 5: is a security risk because we don't know what's flying

1044
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 5: obviously those drones do we don't know what capabilities those

1045
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 5: actually have and what is behind those and you know,

1046
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 5: if you take away the surveillance aspect, but just think about, like,

1047
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 5: we don't know what's actually flying in the sky, and

1048
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 5: you've seen all the things that have happened, you know,

1049
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 5: recently with different incidents in the sky. I think it's

1050
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 5: very important to know what's flying in the sky and

1051
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 5: where and how it could could impact different things. I

1052
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 5: think that's you know, one of the biggest, biggest questions.

1053
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 6: And that's a commonality among a lot of UAP sightings

1054
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 6: is that they sometimes tend to hover around nuclear sites.

1055
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're two thousand with the disclosure projects that we

1056
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 2: heard multiple stories.

1057
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 4: Of that dating back to post World War two exactly right, Yeah,

1058
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 4: and there there are you know. I love the point

1059
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 4: you made earlier, Gabe where he said, yes, there were

1060
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 4: newspaper reports from back in the day, from decades past,

1061
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 4: but I don't know how dependable those were, right, where

1062
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 4: these just sort of were these reports with maybe a

1063
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 4: light editorial touch, a little bit of embellishment to sell

1064
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 4: the paper. That's an open question, but we do. When

1065
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 4: you see people telling the same story over a window

1066
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 4: of time, right, and they have little in common other

1067
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 4: than their location on the planet and their eyewitness accounts,

1068
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 4: as flawed as eyewitness accounts can be, when they seem

1069
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 4: to bring true and hold those commonalities, it's time to

1070
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 4: really start digging in and exploring the questions, figuring out

1071
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 4: what is going on with this strange Gordian knot of

1072
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 4: social dynamics of technology that outpaces legislation. I feel like

1073
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 4: I'm ted talking here.

1074
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 3: Gave.

1075
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 4: The main question is what do you hope listeners take

1076
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 4: away from the first season of Obscure Them.

1077
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 5: I hope listeners really are challenged to question the world

1078
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 5: around them and step out and figure out what's going

1079
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 5: on in their local community and realize that a lot

1080
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 5: of the stuff they may see, you know, on mainstream

1081
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 5: news is great for a broad perspective, but there are

1082
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 5: so many things that need to be asked right in

1083
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 5: your own backyard, and you need to be a citizen

1084
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Speaker 5: journalist and go out there and ask questions. I hope

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Speaker 5: people are inspired to learn more about the stories that

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Speaker 5: really surround surround them and where they live.

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Speaker 3: You're here, yeah, beautiful.

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Speaker 5: Yeah so, and I think too, I think, you know,

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Speaker 5: I alluded to it before with my circus and the

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Speaker 5: sky comment, but I think now more than ever, we

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Speaker 5: have the most things, you know, I think it would

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Speaker 5: be safe to say historically in the sky than ever.

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Speaker 5: And I think there are a lot of things happening

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Speaker 5: at the same time in the sky, and to kind

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Speaker 5: of take everything into account, there's helicopters, there's UAP, there's airplanes,

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Speaker 5: there's people flying consumer drones, there's probably military drones. There's

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Speaker 5: probably people doing other types of surveillance. There's probably the

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Speaker 5: electrical company. You know, there's a lot of different things

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Speaker 5: happening at the same time.

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Speaker 6: And I think, and to your point about the FAS capabilities,

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Speaker 6: like it's getting so crowded out there. I can't imagine

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Speaker 6: being able to know exactly what all of them are

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Speaker 6: doing at all times. It doesn't even seem logistically possible.

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Speaker 6: Or maybe that's more something in the realm of military surveillance,

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Speaker 6: but even they would probably be struggling with that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it has to be tough. I mean, think

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Speaker 5: about that. I mean you can go buy you can

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Speaker 5: go buy a drone and fly it. Yeah, and think

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Speaker 5: if everyone's doing that, you know, how do you how

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Speaker 5: do you regulate that they sell.

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Speaker 6: Them at Barnes and Noble.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that. Yeah, act now it's funny.

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Speaker 4: It's funny you mentioned that game because I was texting

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Speaker 4: the guys earlier this morning to see about getting some drones.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know if I got the right takeaway

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Speaker 4: from the show, but one thing we can say for

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Speaker 4: sure is that this is the kind of investigation that

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Speaker 4: needs to happen more often, you know, because for every

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Speaker 4: hundred of people right, or every two hundred people who

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Speaker 4: see something right, how many will come forward or how

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Speaker 4: many will look further into it. One thing I thought

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Speaker 4: about a lot while researching the show and listening through

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Speaker 4: was the threshold that it would take for your average

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Speaker 4: person to actually contact authorities. I don't know how it

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Speaker 4: is over in Nebraska, but in a lot of these

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Speaker 4: United States, that's a pretty high bar. So that I

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Speaker 4: think as to the reality, the concrete nature of what's happening.

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Speaker 4: And this is where there's something you do at the

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Speaker 4: end of every episode where you and your team ask

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Speaker 4: people who have similar stories or may have some insider information,

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Speaker 4: you ask them to reach out to you all directly.

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Speaker 4: Where's the best way for folks to contact you and

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Speaker 4: your team.

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Speaker 5: So there's a few different ways you can do that,

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Speaker 5: and that is a great point because and I've gotten

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Speaker 5: some interesting people reaching out that have seen, you know,

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Speaker 5: drone things in a lot of areas of the country.

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Speaker 5: And if you want to go on the website, there's

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01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 5: a spot where you can share your story. So share

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01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 5: your story, you can go on there. You can also

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Speaker 5: hit us up on social media at Obscure Them that's

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Speaker 5: obs c U r U M Underscore series and send

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Speaker 5: me a DM. I'd love to hear from you there.

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01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 5: And then the thing too that's been really inspiring with

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01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 5: that is to see people commenting on the podcast on

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Speaker 5: where the podcast is too, and it's almost like a

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01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 5: conversation there and people are saying, oh, I saw this,

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Speaker 5: I experienced this. So if you wherever you listen to

1149
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 5: your podcast to if you can, if you can comment there,

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01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 5: that's a great way for us to see your stories too.

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Speaker 2: And Gabe, we've listened through episode eight. Are there more

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Speaker 2: episodes coming?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So there's one final episode which is going to

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Speaker 5: come out tomorrow, and then hopefully, hopefully we're gonna like

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Speaker 5: I said, I was, so I was in New Jersey.

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Speaker 5: I literally decided to get on a plane as we

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Speaker 5: were finishing production on these because I didn't know what

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Speaker 5: would happen there. So I flew to New Jersey and

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01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 5: was kind of on the ground. I just randomly booked

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Speaker 5: a flight and took my producer with me and we

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Speaker 5: went all over kind of New Jersey at the height

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Speaker 5: of everything that was happening there. So we're hoping to

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Speaker 5: put more episodes together and release those soon. In the

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Speaker 5: New Jersey content this season is very, very compelling. But

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Speaker 5: the New Jersey stuff, I'm excited to get that out

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01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 5: there because there are a lot of high level kind

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Speaker 5: of officials that were kind of talked to at the time,

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Speaker 5: and we were chasing these with the Sheriff's Department in

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Speaker 5: with the Coast Guard on the Jersey shore, which is

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Speaker 5: very which is very weird, and so I'm excited for

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Speaker 5: you all to uh, hopefully, hopefully we'll get those together soon.

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Speaker 5: But but I tell you, it's it's a story that

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Speaker 5: won't go away, but it just gets a stranger and stranger.

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Speaker 2: I love that You're gonna have a different pellette of accents.

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Speaker 5: Trust me, Gabe.

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Speaker 4: Gabe has not given us spoilers, so we're right there

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Speaker 4: with you. Uh, we're going to be tuning in as well, Gabe.

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Speaker 4: Thanks million Man. Just full disclosure because we we uphold

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Speaker 4: transparency in everything we do on this show.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 4: Your West coast, we're East coast. You woke up early

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Speaker 4: for this.

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Speaker 3: I forgot that.

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Speaker 5: I just appreciate. I just appreciate you guys that doing.

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Speaker 5: It's been some much fun to hang out and yeah,

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01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 5: hopefully hopefully we can do it again soon. And yeah

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Speaker 5: it is early, but I got some coffee. I'm gonna

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01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 5: go get some more.

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Speaker 3: So oh good.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely Obscureum Invasion of the Drones available now wherever you

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Speaker 4: find your favorite podcast. What a cool guy, you know, folks, friends, dabors,

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Speaker 4: fellow conspiracy realists. It's not all the time, or it's

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Speaker 4: not super often that we get to hang out with

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Speaker 4: a colleague. We're interviewing just off air, and we kept

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Speaker 4: it was like the no you hang up things.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: It was a fascinating conversation, one that will only become,

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Speaker 4: I would argue, more important in the near future.

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Speaker 6: Lovely fellow and super talented storyteller and weathermen apparently.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and there's so much that we didn't cover

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01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 2: that exists within that series there. God, we didn't even

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Speaker 2: talk about cattle mutilation.

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Speaker 4: We didn't talk about the abduction experience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't.

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Speaker 2: I mean that stuff is a little more out there,

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Speaker 2: right when it comes to talking with somebody who like Gabe,

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Speaker 2: who you know, I was going to say, is a

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Speaker 2: little more serious about that. But those those are serious topics.

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Speaker 2: It's just they're definitely more fringe, I think. Then the

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Speaker 2: series goes in that wants to explore, the series, wants answers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's woven into the narrative so well, it's real,

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Speaker 4: no stone left unturned thing. And I didn't get to

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Speaker 4: say it when we were in the interview, but you guys,

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