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Speaker 1: Today's episode is sure to provide you with motivation, inspiration,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting

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Speaker 3: women like you.

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Speaker 1: We're your hosts.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Dominique Bruce Are, a college professor and psychologist.

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Speaker 4: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker. In a

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Speaker 4: world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood, please

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Speaker 4: join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything from

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Speaker 5: Be Hey, lady, it's doctor dom here from the Cultivating

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Speaker 3: I look forward to hearing from you.

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Speaker 6: All Right, lady, today we have a very special guest

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Speaker 6: That's what we'll say. Okay, so, doctor Ansel Augustine Avan

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Speaker 6: Doctor Ansel Augustine is an Emmy nominated producer and an

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Speaker 6: Trustees of Saint Michael's College in Burlington, Vermont. He's also

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Speaker 6: Society and Lady I could spend an entire episode sharing

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Speaker 6: his extensive prudentials and notable experiences. So I'll close out

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Speaker 6: his bio with this. Doctor Augustine received an Emmy nomination

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Speaker 6: as a producer for the documentary Black Faith Matters, and

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Speaker 6: he has worked in the prison ministry for over twenty

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Speaker 6: five years in various capacities. Now, before I welcome him,

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Speaker 6: I want you to check out this website because I

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Speaker 7: Okay, y'all.

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Speaker 6: His website, get Ready Ready is www dot Holy Hotboy

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Speaker 6: dot info. Okay, we love it, doctor An, So welcome

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Speaker 6: to Cultivating her space.

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Speaker 2: Man, thank you all for having me. I'm glad to

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Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, this is about to be a very

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Speaker 8: interesting conversation. So I'm going to formally address you as

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Speaker 8: doctor Augustine after her quote of the day will sound

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Speaker 8: the same, but the delivery needs to change. So, Doctor Augustine,

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, most of my ministry career has been focused

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Speaker 2: The message might be delivered differently, but the sense of

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Speaker 2: in those context. So that's what comes to mind when

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Speaker 6: There, like I know, I said it somewhere, right, So amen, Yes,

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Speaker 6: that is such a great overview of what that quote means.

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Speaker 6: what is your origin story? And how did you become

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, well, the origins of the Holy Hot Boy

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Speaker 2: I don't let the church thing make me think I'm

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Speaker 2: So for me, when I look at my origin story

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Speaker 2: or the Holy Hot Boy, it's to create those safe

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, this person deserves my love

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Speaker 2: of respect because God took time to make them. And

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Speaker 8: All right, tac to Anthel, you're over here preaching already.

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Speaker 9: Okay, so I'm sorry, I'm not using you called me

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Just so THO podcast Lives Is Dominique is

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Speaker 6: I was gonna say, we got to get some context.

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Speaker 8: Yes, let's give Let's give the folks some contexts so

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Speaker 2: I know I keep saying I was an orientation leader

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Speaker 8: And so part of and actually part of how we

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Speaker 7: So like, where does religion fit in today's society?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think religion needs to address the realities of

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Speaker 2: And I think that's my ministry has been creating areas

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Speaker 6: That's so important. I think what you were talking about earlier.

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Speaker 6: I think the inclusivity that you mentioned is just so

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Speaker 6: because we recognize and appreciate the multifaceted woman, and we

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Speaker 7: We got to learn more about that.

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Speaker 6: So we believe that you can dance to strip club

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Speaker 9: Do you take on this? All right, let's go, Let's

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Speaker 9: make it happy, Let's do it.

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Speaker 7: Let's do it.

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Speaker 6: So now that you've agree, we're going to tell you

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Speaker 6: what to expect. So we have three questions for you.

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Speaker 6: We have three sentence completions, and then we have three

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Speaker 9: Say here, all right, let me go go ahead.

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Speaker 6: All right, So we're going to have you choose one

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Speaker 7: We're gonna ease into this doctor answer.

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Speaker 6: So the first question is what's the best piece of

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Speaker 9: M do you?

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Speaker 8: Do you?

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, nobody knows what God

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Speaker 2: to know and understand. We're each created for a unique purpose,

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Speaker 2: and that purpose is to make the world a better

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Speaker 9: Spray do you?

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Speaker 7: I love that?

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Speaker 11: So simple, just like me, And we're gonna take this.

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Speaker 11: We're gonna take this question. Is this next question in

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Speaker 11: a totally different direction? Like that answer was so deep

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Speaker 11: and beautiful. This next question, though, are you going to work?

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Speaker 7: Or two steps?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Two step baby talking ain't for me. I don't work

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Speaker 7: But a two step, yeah, drop it like it's holy.

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Speaker 6: Our next question for you, doctor, answer is what's the

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Speaker 2: What is the sexiest I own? I mean my smile, bab.

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Speaker 2: You know, people love my smile, you know, yeah, there

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Speaker 2: that everywhere I go. And I ain't gonna let the devil.

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Speaker 8: Thad all right, okay, okay. I got a comment on

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Speaker 8: that later for the after show. Let's move to our

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Speaker 8: sentence completion.

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Speaker 9: All right.

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Speaker 8: One question or topic I wish people asked me about

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Speaker 8: more often, is.

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Speaker 9: M get self worth?

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Speaker 2: You know when I especially in the places and spaces

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Speaker 2: i've been young people and adults. Now we compare ourselves

446
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Speaker 2: to one another what we see on social media, like, look,

447
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Speaker 2: you're good the way you are, and most of the

448
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Speaker 2: stuff on social media is a lot anyways.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, self work, that's good.

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Speaker 2: Everybody here to see the doctors sees the award winning stuff,

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Speaker 2: sees this that I want to be like you, and

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Speaker 2: that's when I reply back to them, well do you

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Speaker 2: and be the best.

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Speaker 9: So there you go.

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Speaker 6: Come on, come on, full circle, bring it out, bring

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Speaker 6: it all together, so doctor, and so the next thing

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Speaker 6: is completion. You're not gonna believe this is what I

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Speaker 6: would tell the listeners about discovering or rediscovering this self.

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Speaker 7: Worth is.

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Speaker 2: Well understand you know, healing is a big part because

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Speaker 2: sometimes we don't address our own trauma.

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Speaker 9: I know this is not just it's a long send completion.

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Speaker 2: But healing and understanding, you know, the traumas child of traumas.

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Speaker 9: And I'm going through my own therapy session.

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Speaker 2: You know, since Katrina, stuff I've had to deal with

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Speaker 2: and even after you know that have come up, especially

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Speaker 2: the past few years, is understanding. It's okay not to

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Speaker 2: be okay, you know, so as you look at your

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Speaker 2: self worth, you know, stop comparing yourself to.

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Speaker 9: People and just underfocus on you and that's okay.

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Speaker 7: Beautiful past, the offering about the past.

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Speaker 9: All around for the church. I don't get paid that much,

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Speaker 9: so yes, pass it.

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Speaker 7: Yet we got to, all.

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Speaker 8: Right, our final sentence completion. Mmm, I'm a pause. We're

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Speaker 8: gonna give We're gonna give doctor Ansel a bonus sentence completion.

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Speaker 8: So we're gonna give you four sentence completions because there

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Speaker 8: one that I want to know, all right, all right,

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Speaker 8: So this sentence completion, the most embarrassing thing I've ever

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Speaker 8: done to get a CRUSH's attention, is.

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Speaker 9: All right. I was at the old New Orleans Airport.

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Speaker 9: We had just landed right.

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Speaker 2: We had four It was a four hour plus long

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Speaker 2: trip straight from Los Angeles. Were at the airport, the

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Speaker 2: old airport baggage clan right, and there was this young

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Speaker 2: lady that I saw across the way that I knew

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Speaker 2: from growing up.

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Speaker 9: But she learned, hey, I know you but oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 9: you know, and I thought I was clean. I had on,

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Speaker 9: you know, my house, little little gentleman jagged.

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Speaker 2: I was like, alright, cool, cool, and so it wasn't

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Speaker 2: trying to get her attention, but it got everybody's attention

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Speaker 2: because then I'm trying to be smooth trying to reach

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Speaker 2: from a bag.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: Conversation was nice on the plane and on on on

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Speaker 2: on on, you know, the walk to the baggage plane, Man,

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Speaker 2: my damn ring got caught in the handle strap of

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Speaker 2: the bag and I flipped on the on the back.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm riding on the back of the baggage playing

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Speaker 2: on my bag on my back. Well, everybody's laughing. I

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Speaker 2: couldn't get out there fast enough, so I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't.

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Speaker 9: Do it to get her attention, but it got it

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Speaker 9: got her.

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Speaker 7: Oh that was a good one. That was probably one

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Speaker 7: of the best stories we've had.

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Speaker 9: I saw her years later and she brought that up. Well,

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Speaker 9: I was so embarrassed, but it's all right.

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Speaker 6: That is a story I wish I was trying to

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Speaker 6: visualize it. I wish I could have. Oh, so embarrassing, man,

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, it's all right. Thank you for bringing us

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Speaker 6: some laugh.

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Speaker 8: Visualized that and I am here.

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Speaker 6: You can like this well, love doctor, and so our

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Speaker 6: final centils completion is what I love most about myself is.

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Speaker 2: I think what I love most about myself is that

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Speaker 2: I genuinely love people.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 2: I have a big art that's a good thing or

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Speaker 2: a bad thing depending on the city.

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Speaker 9: But at the end of the day, I see good

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Speaker 9: in people.

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Speaker 2: That's why I speak where I speak, do what I do,

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Speaker 2: and I'll be in the spaces that normal folks won't go.

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Speaker 2: But like I said, I just love being around people

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Speaker 2: and doing things with people. And I think, I guess

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Speaker 2: that's what I love about myself.

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Speaker 6: That was a good answer. That was a mic drive answer.

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Speaker 6: We need to I'm all in the silence today.

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Speaker 9: Answer. Okay, I mean what it is there? You go?

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Speaker 7: Yes, all right, well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: Oh, actually, no, dom these extra Okay, I'm a little

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Speaker 6: off track. Now we got the photo. I was about

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Speaker 6: to jump right back in some questions. I have more

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Speaker 6: questions for your doctor answer. But before we can move

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Speaker 6: into that, we have some pictures pulled up of you.

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Speaker 9: So what we want you to do?

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Speaker 7: First, choose the number out of one in three.

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Speaker 6: All right, I do my line number two two. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 6: this is a good one. So before I show you

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Speaker 6: the picture, if you can give us some context, describe

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Speaker 6: the photo for first, and then give us some context

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Speaker 6: that we would not know by can get it. So

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna go ahead and share the photo on the

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Speaker 6: big screen. You can describe it for the folks that

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Speaker 6: only have the audio.

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Speaker 9: By all right.

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Speaker 2: So one of my favorite things to do. I'm a

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Speaker 2: culture bearer. As they say in the Worrs, they call

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Speaker 2: us the black they call us the Mardigra Indians, but

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Speaker 2: we're more prefer to be called the black Masking Indians

553
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Speaker 2: were part of the black masking groups of the Warrans.

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Speaker 2: So because of segregation, we couldn't go to the parades

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Speaker 2: that you see on Madigra because of segregation.

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Speaker 9: So Madi Grad Day, the.

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Speaker 2: Parades were in our communities were the black masking Indians,

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Speaker 2: which go back to Congo Square. The baby dolls what

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Speaker 2: you see in this picture behind me and the skeletons

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Speaker 2: and the musicians, right, we had to have her old,

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Speaker 2: just like we do with everything else in society. So

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Speaker 2: this picture is the blessing of the streets. And so

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Speaker 2: the baby dolls come out with their new outfits at

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Speaker 2: the first usually the first day or the first weekend

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Speaker 2: of Carnival. January sixth kicks off Carnival, Epiphany Day, King's Day,

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Speaker 2: all that stuff. So the first weekend, the baby dolls

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Speaker 2: will gather at the Jazz Museum, which is the old

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Speaker 2: US Mint, showing off their stuff. Musicians will be there,

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Speaker 2: their food, they'll have Ebosa's, all this stuff to celebrate

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Speaker 2: them and their womanhood. But what they would ask me

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Speaker 2: to do before they go into the program is to

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Speaker 2: do a blessing of the streets, blessing of themselves, blessing

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Speaker 2: of Carnival. And so this is me preaching and teaching

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Speaker 2: about the culture bearers of the city, helping people understand that,

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Speaker 2: you know, what we do is a sacred thing. It's

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Speaker 2: not just entertainment. It's entertaining, but it's not entertainment. It's

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Speaker 2: a sacred thing, but also expressing because what you don't

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Speaker 2: see is the huge crowd around them.

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Speaker 9: This is me with the baby dolls, but there's a huge.

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Speaker 2: Crowd watching them, and I'm teaching them about our Black

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Speaker 2: Catholic and masking.

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Speaker 9: I'm not Black Catholic black masking culture in that space.

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Speaker 6: So happy you chose this picture because I know you

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Speaker 6: both are from New Orleans and I am not, so

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Speaker 6: I would love for you to dive into just Marty

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Speaker 6: gron General the Indian mask like just kind of like

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Speaker 6: a big, a quick little lesson on the significance of

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Speaker 6: those cultural traditions for folks that may not know, because

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Speaker 6: this is super intriguing.

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Speaker 9: Okay, and this is probably and I'm about to move.

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Speaker 2: So partis to certain things that I'm a miss here,

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Speaker 2: and one of it is the black masking culture. Like

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Speaker 2: I said, when we say black masking, you can have

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Speaker 2: ties to this, to the Caribbean and the motherland in Africa.

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Speaker 2: So just like they say New Orleans is the most

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Speaker 2: African city in the United States, it's because of what

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Speaker 2: we were able to still do during the time of

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Speaker 2: slavery that was a rased everywhere else, but we were

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Speaker 2: still able to be in Condo Square and gather. So

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Speaker 2: in Condo Square when the slave quote unquote orders would

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Speaker 2: go to the French court of the party. Are enslaved ancestors,

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Speaker 2: no matter where they were from, free people of colored, indigenous,

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Speaker 2: white folks that wanted to be there were gathering Congo

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Speaker 2: Square in the Sixth War, right this area of land,

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Speaker 2: and they would just share cultures. That's where jazz music

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Speaker 2: came from, the sharing of cultures and different things that

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Speaker 2: were there. But also in that space was the shared

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Speaker 2: of press that they saw. So the indigenous were moved

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Speaker 2: off their land during colonization. They were pushed off into

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Speaker 2: the Bayous, and then they saw the mistreatment of these

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Speaker 2: enslaved Africans that were here, you know, and so they

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Speaker 2: formed this bond. So some tribes took in the enslaved

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Speaker 2: ancestors and gave them protection or they would also they

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Speaker 2: would show them how to navigate the buyos to get

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Speaker 2: the freedom. So to honor this culture. This is where

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Speaker 2: the black masking Indians come from. And like I said,

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Speaker 2: I'm moving Otherwise they would have been a big picture

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Speaker 2: of my suits and stuff over there. But to honor

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Speaker 2: that culture. We come out with these new suits that

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Speaker 2: take a year to make. The sewing bead by bead,

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Speaker 2: that's what takes a year. So the feathers and the

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Speaker 2: head dresses are old at the Native Americans, and the

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Speaker 2: beadwork and the drumming I drum for the tribes is

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Speaker 2: old to the Africans. So it's a combination of both cultures.

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Speaker 2: And we come up Madi Grad Day with our new suits.

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Speaker 2: That's what I call us, the Madi Grad Indians, Mardi

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Speaker 2: Grad Day and Saint Joseph Knight. When the Italians March nineteen,

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Speaker 2: when the Italians were out partying in the streets, is

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Speaker 2: when it was safe for us to practice a culture.

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Speaker 2: Because there were laws on the books that said people

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Speaker 2: of color couldn't wear feathers to prevent us from practicing

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Speaker 2: these cultures. That's the reality of segregation and all those

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Speaker 2: things that were happening here. But Mardi Grad Day and

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Speaker 2: say Joseph Knight were the time it was safe for

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Speaker 2: us to do these things.

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Speaker 9: So that's the black masking Indian culture.

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Speaker 2: Baby dolls, they are associated and you know, I want

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Speaker 2: to get this right because they will kill me if

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Speaker 2: I do it wrong. Yeah, if I get beat up

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Speaker 2: in the streets by some baby dolls with umbrellas, that's

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Speaker 2: your fault. But associated with the Red Light District of

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Speaker 2: New Orleans with the prostitutes, where they wanted to be

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Speaker 2: out on the streets and show their things. So they

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Speaker 2: will come out of these baby dolls, satin dresses and

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Speaker 2: umbrellas and do their thing. Then eventually black women took

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Speaker 2: it on as their own thing to be express their women.

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Speaker 2: To me, you're not going to tell us how to

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Speaker 2: be women. We will express our womanhood in our own way.

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Speaker 2: So that's the culture that's there, and it's very sacred.

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Speaker 2: And then you have the skeletons, which are also tied

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Speaker 2: to hate. So they open it up Mardi Gras mourning

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Speaker 2: four five in the morning. These guys dressed up in

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Speaker 2: these big old skeletons, paper mache heads, go roam the

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Speaker 2: streets of the neighborhood, singing songs, a chan knocking on windoors,

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Speaker 2: you know, as a way to say, Mighty Grid day

656
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: is here. Carnivals the season, Mighty Grid is the date, right,

657
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: and but remember to do what you want a spirit

658
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: to celebrate. But remember your decisions have eternal consequences. So

659
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: it's preparing people to you know, make sure they're safe

660
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: and have fun though. And so these are the three

661
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: black masking traditions you see in New Orleans, especially in

662
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: the black neighborhoods.

663
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 6: Thank you so much for that history lesson. That was

664
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 6: so incredible. I'm going to do my additional studying after

665
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 6: this conversation.

666
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 7: Yeah.

667
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: So, also there's a space in the wards where you

668
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: can go volunteer at Backstreet Cultural Museum. That's where you

669
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: can go learn about all this stuff. And Backstreet Cultural

670
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: Museum in the wars. So if you come to the city,

671
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: check out Backstreet and tell them Ansel sent.

672
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 7: You definitely will.

673
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 6: Don We meant to take a trip home so I

674
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 6: can get there full experience.

675
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 7: Thank you so much for that, doctor Ansel.

676
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 6: And so follow up question for you, can you share

677
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 6: your perspectable on the importance of preserving those cultural traditions

678
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 6: such as Marty Grass, the Indian masking, and all those

679
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 6: things in today's society.

680
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 9: That's been the fight really since Katrina.

681
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: You know, this is a population the state makes billions

682
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: and billions of dollars because of us, but yet we

683
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: don't get any of that right. It goes into whatever

684
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: politicians or friends or whatever. That's been the case, you know,

685
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: and because of that, a lot of our Indians and

686
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: baby dolls, you know, might sell out just to be

687
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: a commercial that you never see baby dolls are Indians

688
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: because it was sacred, right. You don't just put us anywhere, right,

689
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 2: But now you see us doing weddings or birthday parties

690
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: and stuff just to make ends meet. Especially with the

691
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: cost of living shooting up here in the South and

692
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: New Orleans post Katrina, people got to make agains meat

693
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 2: and especially if you want to practice this culture, these

694
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 2: suits for the Indians might run tens of thousands of dollars.

695
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying. That's a sacrifice you make

696
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 9: to make this stuff happen.

697
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: So for me, whenever I talk like I was, you

698
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: saw on the image that you showed with me in

699
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 2: front of the baby dolls before I did my prayer,

700
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: I tried to express to people, like I said, this

701
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: is entertaining, but it's not entertainment. This is a sacred culture.

702
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: So it goes back to education. And unfortunately, our elders

703
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: are either retiring or seeking tired of the games or

704
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: the bullshit. You know that they've dealt with trying to

705
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: hold this culture up, and so they moved on or

706
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: they've died and passed on, and so we have this

707
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: young generation that wants to use the culture for attention,

708
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: right you know, they want the social media likes. So

709
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: they up there doing their things or trying to stun

710
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: and they don't have to shit a Why they put

711
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: the stuff on, you know what I'm saying, Because they

712
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: haven't been taught properly. So for us, it's this, you know,

713
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: as we look at you know, New Orleans in twenty

714
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: twenty four, you know, we're seeing this interesting parallel what

715
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: was and what is coming and how a lot of

716
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: are you know, out of towners because people have left

717
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: in droves and a lot of new folks are coming

718
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: back can afford these prices. You know, they see it

719
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: and this is great. We're gonna have the Indians here,

720
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: this and the other and they don't know and a

721
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 2: lot of our young folks, because they want attention, are

722
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: catering to them. Our politicians are catering to the new

723
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: folks and not really the people that have been here.

724
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 2: And that's the fight that we have, you know, culture

725
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: bearers and other community advocates trying to fight for our

726
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: young people and for people to have just as much

727
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: rights as anybody else coming in If that makes sense.

728
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, that thank you for explaining all that. And when

729
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 8: we think about New Orleans, we know that New Orleans

730
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 8: economy is based mostly on tourism, and we know lots

731
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 8: of folks love to visit the city. What are some

732
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 8: ways that visitors So these aren't the folks who are

733
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 8: moving there, but the folks who were, like, I'm coming

734
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 8: here for a good time, not a long time. Right,

735
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 8: How can visitors I know the history and culture of

736
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 8: the city and have that good time.

737
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'll give two two example, there are two

738
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: opportunities to the one. You gotta support the black businesses

739
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: that are here, right because everything I think there's a

740
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,959
Speaker 2: shirt or a sign that said, everything you love about

741
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: New Orleans because of black people.

742
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 9: Right.

743
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: You know, if you look at the history, everything you

744
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: love is because of the black people that were here before,

745
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 2: or the indigenous, the Gumbo, that's all this stuff that

746
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: has traces back to African indigenous that be here. When

747
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 2: you do this the history and the studies that are there,

748
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: so support black restaurants when you're here, whether it's Dookie Chase,

749
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: whether it's Knews, whether it's ball Rolls, whether it's you know,

750
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: I can listen the whole bunch, and I'm ana stop

751
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: because I might. These are all friends of mine. If

752
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: I forget one, they go catch me in the streets.

753
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 2: Go to Backstreet Cultural Museum, you know, to learn about

754
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: the black masking cultures and stuff that are there. If

755
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: you're here on a Sunday and your AA have the

756
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: time three pm, go to Congo Square, joining the drum

757
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: circle that's there, and understand the culture bears that are

758
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: teaching about what is going on there since the sixteen hundreds,

759
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: you know, this gathering that took place there. So yeah,

760
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: you can do the tourist stuff. The swamp tours are cool. Yeah,

761
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 2: going to eating the Quarter and you know them tourist

762
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: restaurants are cool. But you know, learning from the spaces

763
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: and place of those that are trying to honor and

764
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: preserve what is here, what has been here, what is

765
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: here is important as well.

766
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 9: So those are my suggestions.

767
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 7: Thank you for that.

768
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 6: Y'all got some homework, okay, I'm taking notes to got

769
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 6: homework to do right here.

770
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 7: Now.

771
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 4: One of the things you talked about doctor An, So

772
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 4: you talked about the youth not really understanding the significance

773
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 4: of some of these practices and cultural traditions.

774
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 7: A lot of your work is with youth, and I.

775
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 6: Would love to know, like, what would you say is

776
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 6: I don't know, what are like the top five tips

777
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 6: or secrets to connecting with youth.

778
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 7: I often hear a lot of adults.

779
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 6: I'm going to say, older people, which I'm in that

780
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 6: category now, but how do we connect to these gentle people?

781
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 7: Because I feel like this generation is different?

782
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 6: Okay, and I think every generation they say that, but

783
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 6: this one we're here.

784
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 7: It's a little I don't know.

785
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm gonna say this.

786
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if I could be a youth minister

787
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: today like I was when you know, I was in

788
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: the late.

789
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 9: Nineties and early two thousands. You know, I'll just be

790
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 9: honest with that.

791
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 2: So I would like to dedicate the rest of this

792
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: interview to a family that's going through something. So I

793
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: got word Thursday, and not to go deep into it,

794
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: one of my young people committed suicide right and he

795
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: was a cop out of Houston area, but they were

796
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: all vacation in Alabama.

797
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 9: Lost the job struggling to pay bills. You know, I'm

798
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 9: picking up the story as they're telling me, you know,

799
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 9: so I like to dedicate this to Tyring and his family,

800
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 9: you know, at this movement, so when we look at

801
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 9: the challenges that are there. You know, we're the murder

802
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 9: capital of the world. That's not by accident.

803
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: You know, we're one of the New Orleans was the

804
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: first all charter school system experiment after Katrido, and they

805
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 2: got rid of public schools, you know, and they failed

806
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: our kids miserably.

807
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 9: So the school the prison pipeline is real. You know.

808
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 9: For me, I don't have I have one tip, but.

809
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: This is an example, but it has five parts to

810
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: the tip, right, so there you go.

811
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 9: So it's not five ways, but it's one tip.

812
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 2: And this is where I use with any youth, Minister

813
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: that wanted to know how I was able to do

814
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: this with these young people. Dominique can remember when I

815
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 2: first started, you, mister, I had to heard the kids

816
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: like everywhere I went, like it was like not to

817
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: say I was Moses, but I had all them followers, right,

818
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: but they were four broke, greedy followers. I had to

819
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: feed them all the time and all this stuff that's

820
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: why I had no money back then. I was four broke,

821
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: but I was the happiest in my life in ministry

822
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: at that point, having those young people with me, and

823
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: people ask what is the secret? So any young person

824
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: or any adult that wanted to work with my you

825
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: group and I got rid of a lot because they

826
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: couldn't deal this, deal with this. It was the five

827
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: times rule. So the five times rule was this, unless

828
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: it's an emergency, before we have any right to criticize

829
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: a young person, we have to show them love five times.

830
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: And so how different would our world or churches or

831
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: society be if we lived that out?

832
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 9: Meaning anytime someone.

833
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: Was in our space that they felt love, you know,

834
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: before they felt criticized, you know, you know, yeah, you

835
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: can tell them pull your pants up.

836
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 9: You can show them love before you tell them that.

837
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying.

838
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: I'm glad you hear, or look before you come in here,

839
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: you can take the hat off, you know before that

840
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: you can pull your pants up. You know, sister, you

841
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: know you're beautiful. Could you put this on to cover

842
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: yourself a little better?

843
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying.

844
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: But you're welcome here, and I'm glad you hear kind

845
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: of thing you feel me not or I pull your

846
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: pants up? You know that's what I heard. You know,

847
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: you know all those things kind of stuff like that,

848
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: or why they hear looking like that or smelling like that,

849
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: or doing this or doing that. You know how some

850
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: folk church church folk can be some of the worst folk,

851
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: you know.

852
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 9: And that's the real.

853
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: So for me, my one tip is the five times rule.

854
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: Show love five times before you criticize somebody, unless it's

855
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: an emergency.

856
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 9: So that's it.

857
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 8: I love that. I really do love that. And I

858
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 8: have seen you do that in action. Now you said

859
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 8: you you know, started in youth ministry in the late nineties,

860
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 8: early two thousands.

861
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 9: Thank you.

862
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 8: Here we are in the year right right right in

863
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 8: over twenty five years of doing this work. What are

864
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 8: some of your fondest memories.

865
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: I guess my fondest memory and I was just talking

866
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: with the young adults about this today's Monday yesterday. You know,

867
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 2: we're all together trying to take care of stuff for

868
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: tiring some of his fellow you group, I call them kids,

869
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: but they grown now with their own kids, right. But

870
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: they were talking about mister Ansel. You remember when you

871
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 2: we would come to your office. So this was a

872
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: thing three pm on weekdays, I couldn't get any work

873
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: done because after high schools let out, they would come

874
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: straight to my office and they will bring their friends,

875
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: you know, and you know, and they was just a

876
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:48,479
Speaker 2: great time.

877
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 9: You know.

878
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: I ain't know what I was doing, you know, I

879
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: was what twenty something, you know, had here, you know

880
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Little skinnier, a lot skinnier, right, you know,

881
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 2: life was what it was, but it was was broke,

882
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: but you know, we just made it work.

883
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 9: Right.

884
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: It was that sense of community that we were there,

885
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: you know, just like I said at the beginning, you

886
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: know when he asked about, you know, how did I

887
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: become doctor Anselo today? It was just creating those spaces

888
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: where no matter who was in my space, I wanted

889
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: to make sure they're welcome.

890
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 9: And I believe, Dominique, you.

891
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: Saw this at Loyola, you know, and I saw it.

892
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: You know, like I said, I tried to create that there.

893
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 2: So my fondest memory was that weekends picking them up

894
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: in my truck. I had a tie hoe, the filling

895
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: it up with kids from the neighborhood and just taking

896
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: the drive to get them out the city to see something,

897
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: you know, whatever, you know, just those kind of the

898
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: organizing trips with them to visit colleges outside, we take

899
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: trips and do this other stuff, you know.

900
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 9: But it wasn't like I was trying to be anybody

901
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 9: savior or nothing like that. But I'm like, look, I want.

902
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: You to do you, and I want you to know

903
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: the opportunities that are out there to do you other

904
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: than what you see in front of you. And I

905
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: think that's what, you know, I have. Further of my

906
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: fondest memories, you know, was they would drive me crazy.

907
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 2: I don't think I could do it today, but during

908
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: that time period when I had the time and energy

909
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: and passion for that, you know, I love being with

910
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: those younger people of the neighborhood.

911
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 7: That's so beautiful and that exposure is everything because it's

912
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 7: like when they can see it, it's like, oh wait,

913
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 7: I can actually achieve this. So that's so amazing that

914
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 7: they had you to be able to do that. Now,

915
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 7: I want to transition and talk a bit about your documentary.

916
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 7: So you are an Emmy nominated producer for Black Faith Matters.

917
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 7: Can you talk a little bit about what motivated you

918
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 7: to create this documentary on this topic. And what message

919
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 7: were you aiming to convey in that documentary?

920
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 9: Okay, it just happened by happenstance.

921
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: So like you said, doing you will get you in

922
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: the spaces and places you never thought you could be in, right,

923
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 2: especially when you realize that their ancestors and higher powers

924
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 2: guiding you in those spaces and places. So after Hurricane Katrina,

925
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: I started working for the archdiocese as the Coordinator of

926
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: Black Youth and Young Adult Ministry. That was my title

927
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: to help our twenty six Black Catholic churches, three Black

928
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: Catholic High Schools Xavier, the Knights of Peter Claver which

929
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: is the largest Black Catholic organization in the world, which

930
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: is headquarter here in the Warns, be more connected with

931
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: the Youth Ministry office that was really not doing too much,

932
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: you know, Peter Claver.

933
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 9: I was the youth minister.

934
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: I was the only full time youth minister in the

935
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: Black Catholic community. You know, out of these twenty six

936
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: Black Catholic churchs there was we were the only one

937
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: that had a budget for it.

938
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 9: So we'll be.

939
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: Attending these events and it was mostly white events and

940
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: we were at times felt like we were more police

941
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 2: than welcome as one of the few black Catholic churches there.

942
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: So I had to really address those issues and those concerns,

943
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 2: especially when I took this position on. And so I

944
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 2: would go to these national meetings and national gatherings, and

945
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: many times I was like, you know, raising in a

946
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: bowl of milkon But when they were making policies and decisions,

947
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: you know, I would be sure, like, hey, what about

948
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: the Black Catholics, What about the Asian Catholics?

949
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 9: What about the Hispanic Catholics.

950
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: You know, you're doing this program or this event or

951
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 2: this national gathering from a middle to upper class, white

952
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: eurocentric model, you know, what about everybody else? So after

953
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 2: a while, you know, I just became labeled to trouble

954
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 2: make or the thorn on their side, and I'm like, well,

955
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: you know, it is what it is. But there was

956
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: this company that joined at a company me. They're called

957
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: Spirit Juice Studios. They're out of Chicago. Me and the owner, Rob,

958
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 2: we were good friends. He was like he's a white guy,

959
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: but he was like one of those I don't know

960
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 2: how the rockstar white guy had the little little ear

961
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: rings with the gaps so the big old gap ear

962
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: rings like the you know, like, damn, howd that work?

963
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: You know, But we just talked and we were talked

964
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: about race. You know, he grew up in the suburbs

965
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: of Chicago, so he didn't understand, but he knew there

966
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: was a large black Catholic population he was at. So

967
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 2: he was like, Ansel, can we come down to New

968
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 2: Orleans and film, you know, and just you know, do

969
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: whatever and you would host it. I said, yeah, cool.

970
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: So that's how that happened. So the first part happened

971
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: before I moved to New York. I got engaged, moved

972
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: to New York, worked at Saint John's and dinner work,

973
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: came home.

974
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 9: Right.

975
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: So the second part where the Saint Peter Claver School,

976
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: which is my favorite part of the you know, paved

977
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 2: place in the world closed, was the part that added

978
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: on to the documentary just happened to be when they

979
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: came down for b ROW after I moved back home.

980
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: And so seventeen minutes it's on YouTube called Black Faith Matters.

981
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: And you know, like I said, we were nominated for Emmy,

982
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: but it was a Midwest emby.

983
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 9: You know, this was from New Warms. They were about

984
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 9: to give us nothing, you know, but it was all right.

985
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: But it was the honor that was there that we

986
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 2: were nominated, but it was really to tell our story.

987
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 9: You know, you have my church in there, Saint Peter

988
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 9: Clavor Church.

989
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 2: You have my students in there at the beginning from

990
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 2: Saint Peter Clavor Elementary School.

991
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 9: I missed them.

992
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 2: My nickname from the school is Big Chief toilet Paper,

993
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 2: you know, right, And that came from Manny Fresh himself

994
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: called me that at Q ninety three when I worked there,

995
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: and one of the DJs was you sons went there

996
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: and she came there and she was like, Big Chief

997
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: toilet paper, what you doing here? And the wrong people

998
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: heard it and it's stuck. Right, But I could tell

999
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: this story on the podcast. So the reason he called me,

1000
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: I was the intern at Q ninety three, and he

1001
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 2: was like, damn bro, you're doing the coffee, you're doing

1002
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 2: the work, you're running the US board, you're doing.

1003
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 9: The street team. Damn you the shit you got big

1004
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 9: keep torn the people. And that's how it's stuck.

1005
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: So but anyway, when I share all that, the Emmy

1006
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 2: documentary is, like I said, was a way to give

1007
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: up voice to the voices. So when you watch the documentary,

1008
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: here my young adults sharing their stories, but their challenges

1009
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: are being remaining in a church that sometimes doesn't see

1010
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: them as authentic numbers.

1011
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 9: So it's authentically Catholic and radically black. There you go.

1012
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 7: I love it.

1013
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 8: I love it, big teeth toilet paper. So when you

1014
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 8: look back at your journey, right, what are some of

1015
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 8: the key lessons that you have learned about faith and

1016
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 8: spirituality that you would share with other people Because your

1017
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 8: your life experiences provide a lot of lessons for so many.

1018
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 8: But what would you say are the lessons that folks want,

1019
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 8: folks should take away.

1020
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, you know,

1021
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: I'm unique in the sense that, yes, I'm Catholic.

1022
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 9: I'm proud of my faith. I'm proud of you know

1023
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 9: who I am or what I'm about, sir.

1024
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 2: But I am able to navigate in the ecumenical spaces

1025
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: right meaning I'm running the streets at night trying to

1026
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: prevent violence with the Nation of Islam, you know. You know,

1027
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: Protestant ministers and I get along, you know whatever, Buddhists

1028
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 2: and I get along. Non denominational people without a faith edition,

1029
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: you know, and I get along because I respect who

1030
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: they are and where they're at. But I think for me,

1031
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 2: and this is what I try to instill my young people,

1032
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: you know, whether they're Catholic or not, is you need

1033
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: to develop your own spirituality, you know, because as you

1034
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 2: get out of the safe space of your high school

1035
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 2: and normality of those spaces, even if it's not the

1036
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 2: most stable place.

1037
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 9: You know, whether there's a student in crisis.

1038
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: You know, but you need to develop your own spirituality

1039
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: because life will test you if you don't know who

1040
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: you are, but more importantly who's you are in some way,

1041
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: shape or form. You know, the devil will be out

1042
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: there telling all kinds of lives make you think different.

1043
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 2: I eat what they're experiencing or what weeks spearents on

1044
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: these phones right now, you know, or social media. So

1045
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: for me, especially these past three years, when you know,

1046
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: Bishop Sharied was my mentor, which is why I moved

1047
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: back home from I was in DC during the pandemic

1048
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,479
Speaker 2: and then he asked me to come back home because

1049
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 2: he took over our church. It was not knowing I

1050
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 2: was able to take care of my mentor the last

1051
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: months of his life, you know, it just That's how

1052
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: the path worked out, was helping me understand like, no

1053
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 2: matter where you are, you belong there. No matter what

1054
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: God puts you, you belong there. Even if you don't

1055
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: feel like that's a comfortable space for you. He wouldn't

1056
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 2: put you there without being there with you. But you

1057
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: have to have that relationship, that connection with him or

1058
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 2: her or whatever the spirituality is that people practice. You

1059
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 2: have to know that you know. And I just want

1060
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: people to understand like, and this is the Dominie knows this.

1061
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 9: I've never been in anyway.

1062
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 2: I was too holy for some spaces too as you say,

1063
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: latch it for other spaces right or good as I

1064
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: would say, you know, and I just walked that weird life.

1065
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: But I know God will place me where it needs

1066
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: to place him. That comes from my relationship with Him

1067
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: and the way I practice spirituality. So for people, I

1068
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 2: just want them to understand, like, you're not an accident.

1069
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: You're not an incident. He took time to make you

1070
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: so you have a purpose in the space of place

1071
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: and that comes from you developing your own spirituality in

1072
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: whatever you practice.

1073
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 7: Beautifully stated, Amen, that's a great transition to our last

1074
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 7: question for you, Doctor Ansel, and that is what lasting

1075
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 7: impact do you hope to leave not only within the

1076
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 7: Catholic Church, but with your family, friends, community, students, all

1077
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 7: that good stuff.

1078
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 2: So there's supposed to be this big party happening on

1079
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: Saturday for a farewell. They'll get together, you know, as

1080
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: I transitioned to my next job in DC, and I

1081
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: think at the end of the day, I want people

1082
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 2: to know, look, answer gave it.

1083
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 9: Damn you know, answer gave it, damn it.

1084
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 2: Whenever I was in Ansel's presence, I felt like I'm

1085
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 2: mad a to somebody, you know, because I've always wanted

1086
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: that for myself growing up, right despite them not having

1087
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 2: it in a certain space, So I wanted that to be.

1088
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 8: So yeah, I give it out. We felt that here

1089
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Speaker 8: in this conversation that you give it there. And I

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Speaker 8: know that our listeners are going to hear this conversation

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Speaker 8: and they're gonna feel it too, and they're gonna want

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Speaker 8: to connect. And so how can they find Big Chief

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Speaker 8: toilet Paper aka Holy Hot Boy ak A Doctor Ansel

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Speaker 7: My big brother.

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Speaker 2: Well, you can send a pigeon to number stock well

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Speaker 2: the website Holy Hotboy dot info H O L y

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Speaker 2: h O T B O Y dot I n f O.

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Speaker 2: I'm on social media, but they'all don't want to follow me.

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Speaker 2: There is holy and ratchet and it's very holly ignorance

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Speaker 2: is what I would put over there, right, A threading joy? Hello, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: preach five oh four so p R E A C

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Speaker 2: H and the numbers five zero four for the New

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Speaker 2: Orleans area code on Instagram and Twitter. And yeah, what's

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Speaker 2: that other thing, the threads? I don't use threads so much.

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Speaker 2: Don't get mad if you request me and you don't

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Speaker 2: hear from me for like months. But yeah, those are

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Speaker 2: the best ways.

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Speaker 7: Oh I son, thank you so much, doctor, and so

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Speaker 7: this is such a great conversation. We appreciate you for

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Speaker 7: being here.

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Speaker 2: I'm honored in Like I said, it was an honored

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Speaker 2: pleasure to be with you all. Anything my little sister asks,

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Speaker 2: I'm to do it.

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Speaker 7: And before we meet again, repeat after me. The universe

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Speaker 7: is conspiring for my success. I trust the process and

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Speaker 7: surrender to the flow.