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Speaker 1: Nancy Greece is coming to Fox Nation. I want justice.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece available now only on Fox Nation.

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Speaker 1: You'd have to be living in a cave or under

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Speaker 1: mom Laurie Valo. Her husband Charles Valo gets shot dead

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Speaker 1: and she marries Chad day Bell and his wife just

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Speaker 1: died two weeks before. That's quite the coincidence how it

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Speaker 1: worked out so well for those two. They rush off

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Speaker 1: to Hawaii, but nobody can find her children, Tyley and JJ. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here's the update. In the last hours, two defense lawyers

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Speaker 1: and the judge walk off the cult Mom Laurie Valo case,

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Speaker 1: which loves us wondering why is because Laurie Valo refuses

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Speaker 1: to say whether her children are dead or alive. I

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories Tip stage with Nancy Green.

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Speaker 1: Your children are missing, You're not worried about your neon

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Speaker 1: pink lipstick, your Mermaid curls, and your blue toe nail polish.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, we learned that cult Mom Laurie

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Speaker 1: Valo day Belled had a walkout, two of her lawyers quit,

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Speaker 1: and the judge recuses himself what's going on this as

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Speaker 1: we managed to get our myths on court documents. It's

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Speaker 1: called discovery and it's what the state under the law

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Speaker 1: must hand over to the defense in preparation for a trial.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation, a series XM

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Speaker 1: one eleven Triumph. First of all, let's start it off

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Speaker 1: with our friend at Fox thirteen, Utah, Adam Herbert's. Within

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Speaker 1: two weeks of Tammy's death, Chad married Laurie Vallo, who,

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Speaker 1: three months. On November twenty sixth, family members started to

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Speaker 1: They asked for a welfare check, and police said the

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Speaker 1: newlyweds lied about the children's location. We've gotten it's pretty

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Speaker 1: much the runaround. I don't know what happened to those kids.

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Speaker 1: I know that there's people who do and they're not talking,

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Speaker 1: who've used the word ac cult. What do you mean

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Speaker 1: by that? Their focus is just so much on the

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Speaker 1: end of the world, and you know this idea that

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Speaker 1: They found out Chad and Lorie left their home abruptly,

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Speaker 1: Chad's wife, Tammy Day Bell, may be suspicious, so on

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Speaker 1: December eleventh, they went to her grave site in Springville

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Speaker 1: As the bodies pile up, cult a mom, Laurie Valo

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Speaker 1: Now that's really odd. I mean, it seems to me

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Speaker 1: the end of the world, which I believe, according to

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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo, is going to happen on July twenty, twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna make it. We're in trouble, as if

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Speaker 1: we already didn't know that. With me, an all star

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Speaker 1: panel joining me, Daryl co and former felony prosecutor in

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Speaker 1: intercity Atlanta, now defense attorney Scott Hall. And apparently nobody

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Speaker 1: why Scott Hall, Belle Bondsman pass present National Association professional

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Speaker 1: bosman at Scott Geehall dot com, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,

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Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela Arnold, and boy

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Speaker 1: do we need a shrink? And I say that in

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Speaker 1: the most loving and caring way, doctor Arnold, And right

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Speaker 1: now to East Idaho News dot com. Nate Eaton, Nate

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Speaker 1: eat It's great to have you. For those of you

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Speaker 1: I just got my mits on some court documents. It's

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Speaker 1: But let's just start at the beginning, Nate Eaton, Bobshell,

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Speaker 1: Hold on, Nate Aden to Daryl Cohen, defense attorney, former prosecutor, Daryl,

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Speaker 1: Never a lack of business, Daryl. When you ask a

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Speaker 1: Not happening now? And you're right, all of the judge

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Speaker 1: But you're right, Daryl, because the judge, if there's a

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Speaker 1: I mean so many judges, Mad. You do know, Darryl,

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Speaker 1: me East Idaho News dot Com ChRI investigative reporter. Nate,

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Speaker 1: That's hard to do because I have seen judges force

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Speaker 1: my way, you will die. And she believed that she's

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Speaker 1: a translated being. And so as the daughter, will you

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Speaker 1: please stop talking like you understand this translated being? You, Goliah,

426
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Speaker 1: think you may be a member of the Okay, I

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Speaker 1: take all that back. You may actually know what is

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Speaker 1: a translated being? And why does Laurie Vallo think she

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Speaker 1: is a translated being? What is a translated being? Somebody

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Speaker 1: who already believed that they had accomplished their mission, their

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Speaker 1: purposes on the earth, and they have been transformed into

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Speaker 1: a different individual that now she is fulfilling a second mission. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know what I take it all about. You knew

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Speaker 1: exactly what you were talking about. Somebody has been hanging

435
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: around the cult a little too much, Nate A, and

436
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm calling your mother. Guys, we're talking about the fact

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00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: that a fleet of lawyers and a judge have now

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Speaker 1: left the case. I mean, Daryl Cohen, this is a

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Speaker 1: dream case for a lot of lawyers. This is like

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Speaker 1: being asked to do the Scott Peterson case, or the

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00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson case, or the O. J. Simpson case. Yes,

442
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: I think they're all guilty, but it's a defense attorney's dream.

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00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: Why would they walk off the case, Daryl, Well, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I think we're talking different types of jurisdiction Los Angeles

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00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: at Lanta, New York, Boston, Chicago. It would be the

446
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: dream case of every lawyer who's a defense lawyer, who's

447
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: going to get his or her chance for a book

448
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: being all social media, do all the TV shows. But

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Speaker 1: in a small town, in a small jurisdiction, and I

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00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: don't know that this is the case, then that could

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00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: be the scarlet letter, the stigma. I will never go

452
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Speaker 1: to that lawyer he or she in this case. The two.

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00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: He's represented this horrible woman and he's a man. And

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Speaker 1: I couldn't disagree with you more because say you get

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00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,239
Speaker 1: a DUI, who do you want? Who are you going

456
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: to call? You're going to call the lawyer whose name

457
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 1: is stuck in your head, the lawyer that you know about,

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00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: the lawyer that Kong is a big case climb stories

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00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: with me. It's Grace. We were talking about the sudden

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Speaker 1: disruption in cult Mom Laurie Valo's felony trial. At this hour,

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00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: no sight of her two children, Tiley aged seventeen and

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Speaker 1: Jj age seven. The last known photo of them is

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Speaker 1: when Cultmom took them to Yellowstone. I was just arguing

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Speaker 1: with Daryl Coen about why a lawyer would get off

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Speaker 1: a case like this. I disagree. For instance, look at

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Speaker 1: the Tara Grinstead murder case. Those lawyers couldn't wait to

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00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: defend Tara Grinstead. I don't know if the killers of

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00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: Tara Grinstead, they certainly couldn't have thought they were innocent.

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Speaker 1: But even in a small town Mossilla, Georgia, lawyers wanted

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Speaker 1: to represent be part of that case. Look at Michael Vick,

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00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: the football player in the Atlanta jurisdiction who mistreated all

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Speaker 1: of his dogs. Defense lawyers were clamoring over each other

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Speaker 1: to get a crack at that case. So I think

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Speaker 1: it takes a lot to get thrown off or quit. Quit.

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Speaker 1: That's what happened. Quit the case and the judge as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Darld, why would the judge step down from

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Speaker 1: the case. My only thought would be that I don't

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00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: want to deal with this. These people are crazy. It's

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00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: not doing anything from my calendar. Leave me alone, get

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00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: out of here. I'm out. Let me handle some cases

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00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: that really matter to other people. And I don't say it.

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Speaker 1: Some of my other judges have it. I don't know, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: it's the only thing. It makes sense to me. No,

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00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't. I don't see a judge just leave me

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Speaker 1: a case because they're fed up. Judges are fed up

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00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: every day in the year twenty four seven, three sixty five.

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00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: When you deal with murder, ray, child molestation, deadbeat dads, duys,

488
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: of course, you get tired of it and want to quit.

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00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: But they don't. It's a calling, that's what they don't

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00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: just walk off a case, you know, I want you

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Speaker 1: to take a list and now to CBS this morning,

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00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: News correspondent Jonathan Bigliatti listen as many in the town

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Speaker 1: of Rexburg demanded to know where our seven year old

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Speaker 1: JJ and seventeen year old Tyley Valo, who's charged with

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00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: felony child abandonment, has revealed nothing about the fate of

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Speaker 1: her kids. Investigators confirmed Tyley was last seen in Yellowstone

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Speaker 1: National Park. There is no evidence of Tyle Ryan leaving

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Speaker 1: this park. The FBI is now calling on everyone that

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Speaker 1: visited here September eighth to look through their photos for

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Speaker 1: signs of the family. As Valo's husband, Chad day Bell

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00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: looked on, her defense attorney complained Valo has been hounded

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Speaker 1: by the masses. She cannot vote anywhere without cameras and

503
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: people scrutinizing her every single move, also speaking out JJ's grandparents,

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00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: Kay and Larry Woodcock, whose demand for a welfare check

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00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: launched the search. Right now, I only have one question,

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Speaker 1: where are the kids? Where are the kids? Where are

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00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: the kids? Ring them home? And Bell was said at

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Speaker 1: one million dollars if release, Valo will have to wear

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Speaker 1: an ankle bracelet. At no point during this hearing did

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Speaker 1: Valo or her attorney mentioned where the kids are? Guys?

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that we're still using ankle bracelets. What

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Speaker 1: that is is you know what, Scott Hall, you're the

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Speaker 1: Bell Bondsman, past president of the National Association Professional Bondsman

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00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: at Scottgehall dot com. You tell you explain why an

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Speaker 1: ankle monitor is so ineffective. Well, I mean, ankle monitors

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00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: were never intended for people charged with violent crimes. They

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Speaker 1: were intended for low level, non violent if you will,

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00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: deadbeat dads. I mean that ankle monitor basically will only

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Speaker 1: tell you where that ankle monitor is when you cut

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00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: off the strap. They don't allow you to put those

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00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: on with titanium bracelets. They put them on with a

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Speaker 1: piece of plastic that has a couple of fishing cords

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00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: through it that basically sends a signal you can cut

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00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: them off with any kitchen knife. So they are extremely ineffective.

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00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,479
Speaker 1: They don't protect anybody, and they only keep honest people honest.

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00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: But when you've got someone that's basically proven that they're

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Speaker 1: going to ignore court orders, they are in fact going

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00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: to leave the jurisdiction as soon as they get the opportunity.

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00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: And as obviously, as a psychologist basically said, you know delusional,

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00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: this is not the person that any of the rest

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Speaker 1: of us want on the streets, You darn right not

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00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: with all the dead bodies in her wake. I mean,

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00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, jacksonvill State University, author Blood

534
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, that doesn't make you want

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Speaker 1: to read the book. I just don't know what would

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00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: blood Beneath my Feet. You know, you may want to

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00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: rethink that title, Joe Scott. But that aside Joe Scott,

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00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: all the dead bodies we're talking about, I mean, I

539
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: want to believe and there is a chance that Laurie

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00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: Valoe tug those children away with this crazy cult. She's

541
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: allegedly part of this doomsday cult. And remember she's now

542
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: married to Chad day Bell, who was written we know

543
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: of twenty five books on the End of Times. I mean,

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00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: she's really sucked in it. Maybe she's got the children

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00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: tucked away, but if so, why not tell police. On

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00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: the other hand, Joseph Scott Morgan, as I love to say,

547
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: and you're gonna roll your eyes, I'm sure you are.

548
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: If you don't know a horse, look at his trick record,

549
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: because you've got let's see, you've got Joseph Ryan, who

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00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: is Tyley's dad, bio dad. He died of a heart attack,

551
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: a sudden heart attack, and he was cremated immediately. That's

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00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: one husband. You've got Charles Valo, who was shot dead

553
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: by Laurie's Laurie Valo, Cultman's brother. Then the brother died

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00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: and then amazingly, what a coinkie Dame Me in perfect

555
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: health training for a marathon in her forties, died in

556
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: her sleep. It's funny how that happened. And two weeks

557
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: later he marries coltmom Laurie Vallo. So, Joe Scott Morgan,

558
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: if that's the track record, it would indicate the children

559
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: have been killed. I don't want to believe that. But

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00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: we were talking, Joseph Scott Morgan. Let's get down to

561
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: the brass tacks about this photo that was taken in September,

562
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: the end of September of both children with Colt mom

563
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: at Yellowstone, with cult mom and her killer brother. Okay, yeah,

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00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: that's who was together at Yellowstone. You were talking about

565
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: a thaw, we're talking. What you're talking about, ephemistically, is

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00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: the children's bodies thawing out like ground beef in your

567
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: fridge when you take it out of the freezer. That's

568
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Now, let's talk about if that

569
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: worst case scenario is true, what do we have to

570
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: do to find the children and what will we find? Well,

571
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: I think that there are multiple multiple scenarios here, Nancy.

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00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: I think that if those children were found, and I

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00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: have to, unfortunately say, if the remains are found out there,

574
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: because this is such a vast area. The one upside

575
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: for investigators are that will be investigating this as a

576
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: homicide is there might be some level of preservation to

577
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: a certain degree. However, given the time stamp on that photograph,

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00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: and the children's bodies would have been preserved by the

579
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: fres temperature, Yeah, they would have. But here's the problem, Nancy,

580
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: those kids if we if we were to believe these times,

581
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Speaker 1: which I do, that they would last seen that would

582
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: have been before first thought, so that it would make

583
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: it difficult. The bodies would have been there for a

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00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: while they were missing, and then they would have frozen,

585
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: and then they're going to defrost, if you will, after

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00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: a period of time, so evidence will be compromised. And

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00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: isn't it kind of interesting though that in the wake

588
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: of all of this these dead bodies I think about,

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00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, with Tammy Dave Bell, they're still scratching their

590
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: heads over this. They missed an opportunity with her. I say,

591
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: the authorities up there the corner didn't even order anything

592
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: as far as even toxicology drawn because Chad day Bell,

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00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: her husband, now Loie Valo's husband, said no autopsy. He

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00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: was close next to Ken and he didn't want an

595
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: autopsy on his wife. Yeah, and you've got Joseph Ryan,

596
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: who was quickly quickly cremated. There's no way to go

597
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: back and retroactively do that. And so there is this

598
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: kind of thread of deception that runs through this whole thing.

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00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: We have these kids that are, unfortunately I believe, deposited

600
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: in this remote location, and any kind of evidentiary value

601
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: that there might be is going to be greatly compromised.

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00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: Simply that I'm just not ready to accept it they're

603
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: dead yet. I think there is the possibility that they are,

604
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, have been sent away. But I know this.

605
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: Two lawyers have walked off the case. Is it because

606
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: cult mom Laurie Valo refuses to say whether her children

607
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: are dead or alive? And that leaves us wondering why

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace's crime story signing off goodbye friend,