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Speaker 1: Native Lampard is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership with

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home. Y'all. This is episode eighty eight of

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Speaker 1: Native Lampid, where we give you our breakdowns on all

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Speaker 1: things politics and culture. Of course, we're your hosts Tiffany Cross,

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Speaker 1: Angela Rye. There together, y'all, and this is me Andrew Gillim.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Hi.

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Speaker 3: I want to start out by addressing a vicious rumor,

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Speaker 3: and that is Angela and I did not plan to

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Speaker 3: dress to like today. So if you ever see us

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Speaker 3: dressed alike, it just happens. It's just, that's all.

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Speaker 4: What happened with Andrew, Andrew always doing the opposite, just

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Speaker 4: like he does.

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Speaker 5: Welcome.

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Speaker 3: We could be a nineteen eighties album cover with Andrew

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Speaker 3: in the middle, just butting a few more Bush.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Yes, what Tom?

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Speaker 1: Move right on past that.

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Speaker 6: It was given Uncle Luke.

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Speaker 1: Are we talking about what we talk about?

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Speaker 6: Speaking to Uncle Luke?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds like and I'm not saying he's in

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Speaker 4: the Epstein files at all, but I am saying that

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Speaker 4: there is some treachery in those files and MAGA Republicans

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Speaker 4: don't want to release them after the community is split

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Speaker 4: on whether or not we should care that much, and

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Speaker 4: so is MAGA apparently.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I definitely have a lot of thoughts on that.

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Speaker 3: I as always enjoy hearing from our viewers, and thank

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Speaker 3: you guys for always taking the time to record videos

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Speaker 3: and respond even when you disagree. I just enjoy hearing

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Speaker 3: from y'all, So I yield my time as I do

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Speaker 3: most weeks, so we can have time to hear from

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Speaker 3: our viewers.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Well, I'm with you,

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Speaker 1: but I'm with you too, Angela, and I'd love to

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Speaker 1: pivot from that Epstein piece to see how are Democrats

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Speaker 1: as a party as an organization who we're trying to

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Speaker 1: win back power. It's gonna take advantage of this moment

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Speaker 1: or create their own moment to try to win the

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Speaker 1: hearts and minds of an American voters. So we'll get

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Speaker 1: to that on the other side, y'all, let's get at it.

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Speaker 7: What's up Native lampod My name is Atalanta and I'm

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Speaker 7: a huge fan of the show. You guys actually inspired

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Speaker 7: me to start my own podcast called Solar Punking. Where

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Speaker 7: every Sunday we talk about solar punk ideology, things we

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Speaker 7: can do in our community to make them better, and

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Speaker 7: ways to build the world that we want to live in. Anyway,

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Speaker 7: the reason for my videos that Tiffany mentioned last week

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Speaker 7: come hard. It must be for law students right now,

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Speaker 7: and I can tell you as a current too, well,

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Speaker 7: it's been a struggle. I'm a second year law student,

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Speaker 7: and you know we're meant to read the material, absorb

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Speaker 7: the material, analyze the material, and apply the material and

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Speaker 7: sort of gaslad ourselves into believing it along the way.

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Speaker 7: Chevron difference was a really big one that changed for

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Speaker 7: us over my academic year. Birthright citizenship is a really

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Speaker 7: big one right now. Do process is a really big one,

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Speaker 7: and things are just changing so rapidly it's hard to

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Speaker 7: kind of keep up sometimes. But I got into this

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Speaker 7: because they wanted to be an advocate for my community.

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Speaker 7: So I'm going to stick it out today.

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Speaker 6: End either way.

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Speaker 7: Anyway.

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Speaker 6: I love you, guys, motivated peace.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you at Alanda, we appreciate that.

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Speaker 8: I know that is for real.

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Speaker 3: The stay hydrated piece, well, we're popping bottles over here,

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Speaker 3: so hereous guys.

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Speaker 6: I like sparkling water. I don't know what you like it.

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Speaker 3: And you put me on water, but they ain't paying

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Speaker 3: for no branding on this show, so I'm putting it

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Speaker 3: on the floor. Yeah I like that brand too, But

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Speaker 3: the other brand you put me onto I really.

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Speaker 1: Liked yea Georgia. That's good.

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Speaker 3: They hydrated. And I have a motivational water bottle that

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Speaker 3: tells you hour by hour, like I'll look at it

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Speaker 3: and it's like, by nine am, I should have consumed

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Speaker 3: this much. By ten am, this much, and so it

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Speaker 3: keeps me honest on drinking water. So anyway, thanks to

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Speaker 3: Adlanda for listening and taking the time to send in

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Speaker 3: that video.

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Speaker 8: What else we got?

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Speaker 6: Well do we not talking about with her video?

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Speaker 8: Oh well, I didn't think she had a question. I

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Speaker 6: I just want to.

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Speaker 4: Say I feel so bad for these law students because

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Speaker 4: I mean, I really agree with this point, because you

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Speaker 4: are trying to hang your hat, so to speak, on

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Speaker 4: the law, on something that you can lean up against,

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Speaker 4: and there are moments where you lean up against and

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Speaker 4: it it shifts a little bit.

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Speaker 6: It feels like you lean up against this.

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Speaker 4: Right now and you fall back into a black hole,

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Speaker 4: And so I do feel really bad for them because

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Speaker 4: what they have to navigate is not what is the

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Speaker 4: truth about humanity and what should be the law, but

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Speaker 4: also like the fact that people in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 4: don't know that that should be the case. That's a

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Speaker 4: different type of negotiating with truth. That is that's that's

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Speaker 4: really difficult. It's just I do not envy them. I

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Speaker 4: also feel bad for the law professors.

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Speaker 6: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 4: That's what you're telling them, like, I'm about to teach

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Speaker 4: you some stuff in this case, and they wrong, they

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Speaker 8: Well, can I make a quick point on that.

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Speaker 6: CHERYLN.

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Speaker 8: Eifel joined Howard Law.

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Speaker 3: And I went to her reception and she was talking

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Speaker 3: even know about that, And she said, yeah, exactly. When

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Speaker 3: And so she's like, raise your hand, acknowledge, make a

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Speaker 3: noise if you've heard about this, and this huge like

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Speaker 8: All my former law students.

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Speaker 3: So whatever the piece was that she was talking about,

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Speaker 3: because she taught them. So shout out to CHERYLN. Eiffel,

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Speaker 3: And actually, let me just make this in the official

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Speaker 3: invite to her to join us on Native Land whenever

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Speaker 3: your time permits, madam next week.

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Speaker 6: We hope, we hope that's the missus Eiffles court.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that's a good point on what

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Speaker 3: law professors are going through. And I said last week,

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Speaker 3: I think people who go to law school are trained

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's yes. If you if you have.

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Speaker 4: To read through a textbook that may not hold true tomorrow,

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Speaker 6: We hold these truths to be.

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Speaker 3: What self evidence changing.

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Speaker 8: We hold these truths to be changing.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, I don't know if you guys

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Speaker 3: have been following the biggest beef going on better than

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Speaker 3: any rap beef and that is what's happening in Scotus

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Speaker 3: with ACB and K with Amy Coney Barrett and Kintanji

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Speaker 3: Brown Jackson. This is the first time that our friend

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Speaker 3: Albert is always saying, read the opinions because they're written

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Speaker 3: for you know people, and I always get intimidated, like,

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Speaker 3: just explain it, tell me what happened. I have been

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Speaker 3: reading these opinions. And when I tell you, Justice Kintanji

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Speaker 3: Brown Jackson is here for it, and she comes in.

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Speaker 3: So what happens is the Descent will issue and correct

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Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong, The Descent will issue their opinion,

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Speaker 3: And then when ain't nobody call for her, Amy Coney

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Speaker 3: Barrett came out and responded to Kintanji Brown Jackson, I'll

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Speaker 3: do a horrible job and have to correct myself explaining it. No,

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Speaker 3: I think hers was written.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't verbal, like she issued a written opinion in

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that in addition to

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Speaker 1: right now. And this alligator Alcatraz, that Rohn Deasantiss is

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Speaker 1: And right now lawyers cannot get in to see their clients.

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Speaker 1: and relay it. No, no, no, no, no. These are constitutional rights.

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Speaker 1: And guess what about the US Constitution. Its limits are

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Speaker 1: within the jurisdiction of the United States. And so whether

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Speaker 1: But I also fear for people right now who are

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Speaker 1: being detained American citizens included being detained without any access

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Speaker 9: Hey, Native Land Podcasts. This is changed from the New

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Speaker 9: York City and Andrew, I feel so see when you

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Speaker 9: scoop Tiffity Cross. I need that new season of Acrush Generations.

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Speaker 9: Angela Rye, I need on one back. I wanted to

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Speaker 9: contribute to the housing crisis conversation One example of why

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Speaker 9: the housing crisis exists in New York City is because

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Speaker 9: government salaries, specifically for city and state employees, do not

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Speaker 9: keep up with private industries, specifically with real estate rental.

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Speaker 9: On average, city employees make around forty thousand to sixty

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Speaker 9: thousand dollars with a forty five thousand to fifty thousand

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Speaker 9: and Latinos. A ruler thumb across mental real estate is

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Speaker 9: they want forty times to rent. So a lot of

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Speaker 8: So I would just ask you to keep.

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Speaker 4: To be accountable for your experiences or just accountable for facts?

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Speaker 6: Well, we can talk about this.

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Speaker 4: We were supposed to talk about this big, badass bill

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Speaker 4: to her. And now it sounds like Attorney General Pam

444
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Speaker 4: Bondi has changed her tune a little bit about what

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Speaker 4: is going to be released.

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Speaker 6: Let's roll that President said today.

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Speaker 11: You would release credible files related to mis reps.

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Speaker 10: Are you prepared to do that?

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Speaker 6: And when would you do?

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Speaker 12: Our memo today our memo speaks for its off and

451
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Speaker 12: we'll get batch you on anything else.

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Speaker 11: The DOJ memo said that it found no incriminating client

453
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Speaker 11: list and no credible evidence of blackmail, and therefore no

454
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Speaker 11: further disclosure.

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Speaker 4: I think what is interesting and important here is that

456
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 4: there is this growing groundswell of folks who supported the president,

457
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Speaker 4: including the FBI director Cash Betel, his deputy Dan Bongino.

458
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Speaker 4: They think that these files should be released. Of course,

459
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Speaker 4: the FBI reports to the AGE at the Department of Justice,

460
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Speaker 4: and they are very divided and what they think should happen.

461
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Speaker 4: I think that this is a massive distraction from what

462
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Speaker 4: really matters, which is ensuring that our folks social Security, medicare, Medicaid, snap,

463
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Speaker 4: all of those things are still covered. Julian Epstein, Sorry,

464
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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein, Lord have mercy on a college man. I'm sorry, Julian,

465
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Speaker 4: you did good people.

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Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein is He's just not right.

467
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Speaker 4: And I think that this is one of those things

468
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Speaker 4: where you know, there's nothing that we can do now

469
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Speaker 4: this man isn't here. There are a lot of people

470
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Speaker 4: who are victims, alleged victims, et cetera.

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Speaker 6: I don't know how this is going to pay and.

472
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Speaker 4: Cover people's most basic needs, but they are divided, and

473
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Speaker 4: people have suggested that this is a good place for

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Speaker 4: us to show that he's the liar that he is.

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Speaker 6: But I feel like we've.

476
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Speaker 4: Been saying this since twenty sixteen, Since twenty fifteen, I

477
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Speaker 4: think that's the key, Like this is the thing that

478
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Speaker 4: y'all want to be mad at Donald Trump over.

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Speaker 3: It's such horseshit. I mean, we should just be honest.

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Speaker 3: The only reason the quote unquote Epstein Files ever became

481
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Speaker 3: a thing is because they dangled it as red meat

482
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Speaker 3: before their unintellectual base, because the subtext of was the

483
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Speaker 3: Clintons were attached to it, the Clintons were involved. So

484
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Speaker 3: the same half witted conspiracy theorists, believing idiots who supported

485
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Speaker 3: Pizzagate are now not only driving what our government focuses on,

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Speaker 3: but they're also driving the narrative in the media. I

487
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: looked at all this week. There's been breaking news, a

488
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Speaker 3: breaking news banner all week, all last week, will likely

489
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Speaker 3: be all next week because this tiny, niche group of

490
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Speaker 3: people is so focused on the Epstein Files. Dan Brigino

491
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Speaker 3: throwing a whole ass temper tantrum, not wanting to show

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Speaker 3: up to his job at the FBI because he is

493
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Speaker 3: mad about the Epstein Files, and we're talking about this

494
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Speaker 3: like it's normal. Not the fact that Dan Mangino or Bergino,

495
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Speaker 3: how real say his name Bongino, Not the fact that

496
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Speaker 3: he is a conspiracy theorist himself and he's the deputy

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Speaker 3: director of the FBI. Not the fact that he's an

498
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Speaker 3: election denier and he's the deputy director of the FBI,

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Speaker 3: not the fact that he has talked religiously saying that

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Speaker 3: there is no systemic racism in policing and police departments.

501
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: But this niche group of people get to focus on. Oh,

502
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 3: but Dan Mondino doesn't want to go to work anymore

503
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Speaker 3: because he's mad, Like, who.

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Speaker 6: Gives a shit?

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Speaker 3: I don't understand why this is even a subject. Second,

506
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Speaker 3: here's the hypocrisy. If we're so concerned about sexual abuse,

507
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Speaker 3: let me just tell you guys about Southwest Key Programs.

508
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Speaker 3: They were the largest shelter of migrants across this country.

509
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: They had multiple shelters throughout the country. There were multiple

510
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Speaker 3: accusations of sexual abuse of minors that took place at

511
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Speaker 3: this quote unquote nonprofit which was not really a nonprofit.

512
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Speaker 3: In March, the Trump administration completely shut down a Biden

513
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Speaker 3: era lawsuit that would have sought to hold this conglomerate

514
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Speaker 3: of shelters responsible for what they did. If we're so

515
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Speaker 3: concerned about sexual abuse, where the entire is the breaking

516
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Speaker 3: news banner for that? There is none, Because who cares

517
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Speaker 3: about migrant children. That's not the issue. That's not the

518
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Speaker 3: sexy thing. This shelter they got billions in federal contracts

519
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Speaker 3: for this abuse that allegedly took place during Trump's family

520
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 3: separation policies in twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen. They capitalized

521
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Speaker 3: off migrant children. So this country allowed migrant children to

522
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Speaker 3: become a billion dollar industry. They allowed children to become

523
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Speaker 3: a part of a business. So miss me with the

524
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Speaker 3: idea that these people care about the well being of children. Furthermore,

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00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: if we're so concerned about sexual abuse, there were multiple

526
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Speaker 3: reports in twenty sixteen of Donald Trump going into beauty

527
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Speaker 3: pageants where girls as young as fifteen years old were

528
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Speaker 3: getting dressed and they were obligated to greet him and

529
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Speaker 3: meet him, and him making completely inappropriate marks and remarks

530
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Speaker 3: and inappropriate gestures talking about these girls. If we're so

531
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Speaker 3: concerned about sexual abuse, then let's focus on that. But

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Speaker 3: that is not the real concern. Their concern, as Dan

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Speaker 3: Manzino has said, is to own the Libs. I don't

534
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Speaker 3: even know what that means, but it's some stupid, asinine

535
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: bullshit that these right wing extremists say. I don't even

536
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: get the point of it. So I'm frustrated. I don't

537
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: even care about his base. They don't frustrate me anymore.

538
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Speaker 3: What I'm frustrated with is the way the media is

539
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 3: being led by the nose, by this tiny group of people,

540
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Speaker 3: and they talk about it as though it is normal.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Epstein case is not important. Let

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Speaker 3: the DJ pursue it. I'm saying, there is no way,

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Speaker 3: given what's happening in Gaza right now, speaking if we're

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Speaker 3: so concerned about children, the well being of children, the

545
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 3: tens of thousands of kids who are dying there, considering

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Speaker 3: what's happening in Sudan right now, and the children who

547
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: are dying there, considering what's happening in Kenya right now.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of stories that we should be

549
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: focused on. This is not one of them. And quite frankly,

550
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: Congressman Hank Johnson, you know, did this whole video of

551
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Speaker 3: him playing the guitar and I'm thinking talking about the

552
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Speaker 3: Epstein case, and I just thought how insulting that has

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Speaker 3: to feel to constituents who are not focused on Epstein.

554
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Speaker 3: And it just feels like a moment that we are missing,

555
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 3: the moment. You're even on the democratic side, you're letting

556
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: them lead you around the nose for these social media

557
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: stunts and that, ain't it. That is not the thing

558
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: that's going to help people out. To Angela's point about

559
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: the big badass bill, is that what you call it,

560
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: The big badass bill like that deserve more attention. If

561
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Speaker 3: we're so concerned about kids, let's talk about the children

562
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Speaker 3: who will literally die because of this bill, the children

563
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Speaker 3: who will be kicked off, who won't have caregivers, who

564
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Speaker 3: won't have health insurance.

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Speaker 8: So it's bullshit to me. Andrew, Sorry, I went on.

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Speaker 1: Tell us how you really feel. I mean, I felt

567
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Speaker 1: you You and Angela both there and I don't disagree.

568
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Speaker 1: But I will say, as it relates to the political moment,

569
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Speaker 1: is what is making this really outsized? Obviously over the coverage,

570
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: which I think is overblown, but I think one of

571
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Speaker 1: the things that's driving its nature is that there have

572
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Speaker 1: been very few things, In fact, I can't think of

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Speaker 1: one where Donald Trump's base has openly criticized, parted with him,

574
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Speaker 1: and are even damned trying to hold the Attorney General

575
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Speaker 1: accountable by saying she ought to be removed from office

576
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Speaker 1: or resign over this Epstein thing. And so the question

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Speaker 1: I think is becoming does this create a wedge issue

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Speaker 1: between Donald Trump and his really critical base, important for

579
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: not just his election but probably going to be critical

580
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: to the mitchruns as well. Does it create an opening

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Speaker 1: And I'm of two minds. One, I don't think that

582
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Speaker 1: there is a single one of these conspiracy theorists who

583
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Speaker 1: is an available voter for Democrats. I don't think that

584
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: is necessarily always what it would have been. But the

585
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: Democratic Party that today is the standard bearer for the

586
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Speaker 1: status quo and the defender of all institutions versus the

587
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Speaker 1: Democratic Party, at least sections of it, who used to

588
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: openly question conspiracies that were going on within the government,

589
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Speaker 1: cover ups that were taking place, the misuse of power,

590
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Speaker 1: going after black civil rights leaders, social justice leaders, and

591
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Speaker 1: using the government's instruments as cudgels to whip those people

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Speaker 1: into submission. There was once a Democratic Party that raised

593
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Speaker 1: those issues loud, repeated. You couldn't you couldn't refocus members

594
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Speaker 1: of the CBC twenty years ago, thirty years ago going

595
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Speaker 1: ham over the CIA and their involvement and the introduction

596
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Speaker 1: of narcotics into the black community.

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Speaker 5: Right.

598
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: You could ask them anything and they would have drove

599
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: it right back to that issue. But today's Democratic Party

600
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: appears to have adopted as its platform the defender of

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Speaker 1: all existing institutions, regardless of how corrupt they may have

602
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Speaker 1: been and what damage they may have done to our community.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think that conspiracy theories right now are

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Speaker 1: part of the Democratic coalition, and I don't believe that

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00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: they are available voters. But I do think that what

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Speaker 1: this moment might create, should these people's animosities be real,

607
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: is that it could have the effect of suppressing some

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Speaker 1: of these white male voters and others who turned out

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Speaker 1: for Donald Trump, who traditionally don't turn out to vote

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Speaker 1: at all. If that has the effect of keeping some

611
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: of them home, then I think fine, drive a niche

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Speaker 1: market a campaign to keep them out of the process,

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Speaker 1: so long as they're willing to opt themselves out of

614
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: the process because their conspiracy theories didn't pan out. But

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00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: if any Democrat running for office decides to wholesale redirect

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Speaker 1: their effort toward in Epstein and release the documents, you

617
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Speaker 1: are on your way to losing. Because, as Tiffany and

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00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: Angela have already so aptly pointed out, that is not

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Speaker 1: what our people are talking about. That's not what's keeping

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Speaker 1: them up at night. It doesn't inspire them and it

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Speaker 1: doesn't quite frankly distract them either, because they're not really

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Speaker 1: paying that kind of attention to Jeffrey Epstein or Jillian

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Speaker 1: his associate, who is serving time. Maxwell, who I think

624
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Speaker 1: is in Talla, hassee serving time last time I checked.

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Speaker 3: She's the only person who served time out of that

626
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Speaker 3: whole thing, the woman and all of this is the

627
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Speaker 3: only person who served time. But she did serve as

628
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Speaker 3: someone who was facilitating these matchups. The question is what

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Speaker 3: she's just doing this for mister Epstein or what she

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Speaker 3: doing this for other parties as well?

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Speaker 1: Right, and guess what? And again, legitimate questions are to

632
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: be asked on all those sides. I think that there

633
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: are legitimate questions about the US attorney who decided to

634
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Speaker 1: give Epstein a cushy deal in the first place, that

635
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: broke the Miami Herald, who broke the news on this

636
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: thing and busted it wide open. But we would be

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing people talk about the Democrats out to seize

638
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Speaker 1: this moment as for the midterms, and I am very

639
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: concerned that Democratic policy makers and elected officials who are

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Speaker 1: pursuing re election and the consultants who guide those campaigns.

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00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: I am very concerned that they are so weak need

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Speaker 1: about what is going to get Democrats back in power,

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Speaker 1: that they may be willing to co op this whole

644
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Speaker 1: storyline of Epstein and release the files. And I think

645
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Speaker 1: that would be a death ridden mistake and put the

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Speaker 1: nail on the coughing to whether or not there is

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Speaker 1: an opposition party to be spoken of after these midterm elections.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 8: I don't know that I disagree with that, but I think.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a bad calculation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that if they are to rest their

652
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 4: laurels on just releasing the files, then yes, But if

653
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 4: they use it as a wedge issue to create space

654
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Speaker 4: around what is fact versus fiction, I actually think it's

655
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 4: smart and broken promises, Like you know, yes, he broke

656
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Speaker 4: this promise to you, but let me show you all

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Speaker 4: the other promises.

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Speaker 6: He broke to you. He's broken with you.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like I'm being a hypocrite right now.

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Speaker 4: And I can feel Tip's eyes burning about to say

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Speaker 4: I hold in my cheek because what I'm about to

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Speaker 4: say is, I don't know if neutralization of those voters

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Speaker 4: is as significant as converting them, and and there and

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Speaker 4: I and I don't know. I was thinking that, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's it's hard because I think that it's a tall order,

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Speaker 4: It's a really tall order, because they would rather believe

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Speaker 4: to death in white so premiacy, then to believe that

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Speaker 4: they have anything in common with folks who look like us,

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Speaker 4: or any immigrant family or whatever.

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Speaker 6: So it's hard.

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Speaker 4: But I do think that when we are in desperate times,

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Speaker 4: and if we are honest, we have to acknowledge we

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Speaker 4: are in really desperate times, in really dire circumstances, we've

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Speaker 4: got to find allies that make the coalition.

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Speaker 6: Huh.

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Speaker 1: That's why we got to convert our voters. We have

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Speaker 1: people who will be with us if they show up

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Speaker 1: to vote.

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Speaker 11: Yes.

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Speaker 1: This is what the Harris campaign, and this is what

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Speaker 1: every campaign prior to her has done. They've identified these quote,

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Speaker 1: middle of the road folks who may share common calls

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Speaker 1: with us on a thing, and believed mistakenly that those

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Speaker 1: folks will adopt us wholesale when given the other option.

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Speaker 1: And they've proven time and time and again no matter

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Speaker 1: where they have exception with Donald Trump, they still go

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Speaker 1: home to him. And so if we're talking about limited

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Speaker 1: resources and how to spend those, I would never ever

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Speaker 1: suggest that a democratic campaign take their precious resources and

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Speaker 1: target them towards what they think is this maybe movable

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Speaker 1: middle of people who are now disrupted by a broken

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Speaker 1: promise over Epstein and convert them to their voters. If

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Speaker 1: you're going to convert voters, go to the black voters

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Speaker 1: down the street and the Latino voters and the white

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Speaker 1: liberal voters who have checked out of the process and

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Speaker 1: are choosing not to show up, and give them a

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Speaker 1: reason to show up. And I bet that the message

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Speaker 1: that they deliver on healthcare, on this big ass bad

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Speaker 1: bill that's going to that has created the largest shift

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Speaker 1: in wealth that we have ever seen in the history

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Speaker 1: of the United States, creating one so large that the

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Speaker 1: people who built the pyramids and the pharaohs themselves had

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Speaker 1: a less divide and wealth than we do today between

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Speaker 1: our oligards and we're working people.

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Speaker 6: Did you create that? I like that. That's a good one.

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Speaker 1: But this is this is what this is that is saleable.

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Speaker 1: Talk about the stuff that the majority of Americans disagree with,

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Speaker 1: both Trump voters and the middle of the road voters

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Speaker 1: and Democrats. And that's the bill that they just passed

710
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Speaker 1: that's gonna put all us in the poor house before

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Speaker 1: we know it. Well, obviously you can tell we got

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Speaker 1: a lot more to say on this. Let's pay some

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Speaker 1: bills and pick it up. On the other side, don't

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Speaker 1: want to miss this.

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Speaker 6: Well, here's the only thing I'm saying. I hear that

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Speaker 6: I agree with that.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying, take your money Democratic Candidate X and

718
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Speaker 4: spend it on Epstein. What I'm suggesting is that we

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Speaker 4: don't let this pass by though, either because if the

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Speaker 4: roles are reversed and this was the Democratic Party doing this,

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Speaker 4: all they would want a special committee and they should

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Speaker 4: do that. They should do some of that. But I'm

723
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Speaker 4: not saying don't spend a dollar on it. Talking heads

724
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Speaker 4: should be talking about it, like, what is there tie,

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that there is anything, but you call

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Speaker 4: into doubt everything that they are sitting with, every promise

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Speaker 4: that he's broken and this is one of many. Emphasize

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Speaker 4: this one is one of many, and then name five.

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Speaker 6: Or six others.

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Speaker 4: Just from a strategic standpoint, that is smart because at

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Speaker 4: some point, at some point, you would think they have

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Speaker 4: to start seeing the lie for what it is. It

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Speaker 4: didn't work, even though he was in office from sixteen

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Speaker 4: to twenty didn't work, or seventeen to twenty didn't work.

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Speaker 6: They didn't buy it. I don't know why they didn't

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Speaker 6: buy it.

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Speaker 1: I gave it, they didn't didn't. They determined that they

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Speaker 1: didn't care. And I think the same is true here

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Speaker 1: that if there is a connection in.

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Speaker 6: My marrying and it's and it's and it is right.

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Speaker 1: They care about this one of all the things.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that do we have Speaker Johnson's clip.

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Speaker 4: I'm just curious do we have?

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Speaker 1: We should pull that up, But Angela, just to find

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Speaker 1: a lot, I think that your point is well, I

746
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Speaker 1: think it's right. Definitely, don't let this thing slip by.

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Speaker 1: If there is a if there is a whole to

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Speaker 1: be manipulated to create a greater one.

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Speaker 6: Not even manipulation, it is a And this is my

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Speaker 6: whole point.

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Speaker 4: I think that one of the things that they do

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Speaker 4: poorly that we don't do when we when the facts

753
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Speaker 4: and the truth and what is right is on our side,

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Speaker 4: we still don't utilize it.

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Speaker 6: And I don't get why, Like I.

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Speaker 1: Think telling them about his lives is going to do it.

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Speaker 1: If we are going to connect an issue, it needs

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Speaker 1: to be to the economy people are going to vote

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Speaker 1: on their wallets come.

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Speaker 6: That novel here of that, because I'm not All I'm.

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Speaker 1: Saying is I don't think that. I don't believe that

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Speaker 1: the strategy of stringing along all of his letdowns and

763
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Speaker 1: lies is going to be the way forward. They are

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Speaker 1: aware of them, they are complicit with them. They have

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Speaker 1: forgiven them, or they have said they don't matter up

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Speaker 1: until this issue. And I'm saying, on this issue, I

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Speaker 1: would say Donald Trump again is proven that he is

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Speaker 1: just for himself. And the fact that budget bill did X,

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Speaker 1: Y and Z that that that that reiterates the facts,

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Speaker 1: that makes plain to us He's willing to close our hospitals.

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Speaker 1: He's willing to take our hospital.

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Speaker 4: Didn't they don't care about our say close your hospital.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying our I mean in my community.

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Speaker 4: I know I'm saying. Talk to them other ones, it's

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Speaker 4: their hospitals.

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Speaker 1: It is absolutely But to them, if it's their community,

777
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Speaker 1: it's he's willing to close our hospital.

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Speaker 6: When they hear you say our, they don't they think good.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying. If I'm the voice of the voter,

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Speaker 1: wherever that voter is, they are they are reflecting on

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Speaker 1: what they have lost. I want them to know what

782
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Speaker 1: is being taken from them, because they don't seem to

783
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Speaker 1: care about his lies, his missteps, and his mispromises. But

784
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Speaker 1: when I see people in the stores with their calculators

785
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Speaker 1: and their cell phones price comparing toilet tissue and paper towel,

786
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Speaker 1: I know that this is going to be an economic

787
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Speaker 1: collection again. And if we get sidetracked and run down

788
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Speaker 1: the wrong road, make the wrong connections, draw the wrong parallels,

789
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Speaker 1: we are going to find ourselves out of office yet again.

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Speaker 3: I think I think you're both making a legitimate point.

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Speaker 3: I think Angelia will correct me if I'm wrong. But

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Speaker 3: I think what Angela is saying, which because I did

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Speaker 3: when you said that, I was like, hmm, I don't

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Speaker 3: know how I feel about celebrating people sitting out the price,

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Speaker 3: even if they are people who disagree with me. So

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Speaker 3: I think, Angela, you're saying, instead of, you know, just

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Speaker 3: discarding them, let's try to convert them. And at first

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Speaker 3: I was with you, but then hearing Andrew, I'm like, yes,

799
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Speaker 3: that presupposes that they are convertible, and they are not.

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Speaker 3: This is not a political party, this is a political cult.

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Speaker 3: It's a lifestyle cult.

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Speaker 6: But the cult has fractures.

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Speaker 3: Well, all groups have fractures. I don't know if it's

804
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Speaker 3: fractured enough.

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Speaker 6: I don't know either.

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Speaker 3: I know it's not fractured enough that they would ever

807
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Speaker 3: come to R side. There's been enough data to support

808
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Speaker 3: that for the past ten years in this society. We've

809
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Speaker 3: even seen video evidence. If I can find it, I'll

810
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Speaker 3: play it on a later episode. But there was actually

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Speaker 3: a group of people who had Trump supporters, and they

812
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Speaker 3: were posing questions to them, and they had faked audio.

813
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Speaker 3: It was like AI and they had faked all these

814
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Speaker 3: things that Donald Trump said, and he talked about sleeping

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Speaker 3: with his daughter, He talked about the the most obnoxious things,

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Speaker 3: and one by one they all found a way to

817
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Speaker 3: excuse it, to apologize for it. Even people who have

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Speaker 3: been fired from their jobs, who have been directly impacted,

819
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Speaker 3: have said, I do not regret my vote. I just

820
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Speaker 3: didn't think it would happen to me. You voted for

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Speaker 3: it to happen to someone else, but you didn't think

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Speaker 3: it would happen to you. And even when it does

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Speaker 3: happen to you, you are still resolute. You are so convicted,

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Speaker 3: and that they're united in our impression you're so convicted

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Speaker 3: in your belief that you need, that you ought to have,

826
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Speaker 3: that you deserve and that we do not, that you're

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Speaker 3: willing to cut off a limb just to make sure

828
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Speaker 3: that we don't have. So I get your point, I

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Speaker 3: just don't I know that they are not convertible.

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Speaker 6: So what's our path? And ask this?

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Speaker 4: So what I'm saying is Andrew and tif Uh, my

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Speaker 4: question is, if you don't think that they're gettable, that

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Speaker 4: they're not convertible, what is the path forward?

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Speaker 6: Because we have the math, a mathis so what's the

835
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Speaker 6: path forward? Is it going to the ninety million? What

836
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Speaker 6: is it like?

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Speaker 8: What motivating ore is to what ends motivating voter?

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Speaker 1: So let's be very clear.

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Speaker 6: We do have the numbers.

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Speaker 1: We do have the numbers when their regular base shows up.

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Speaker 1: You see what Donald Trump benefited from.

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Speaker 3: Was he he had a hyper sized, uh white production

843
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Speaker 3: of white Yeah, that.

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Speaker 1: Is not the normal course of white voters in this country.

845
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Speaker 1: He juiced it. So when I say keep them home,

846
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, y'all weren't interested before, go back to being

847
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Speaker 1: non interested. I absolutely do care about what voter suppression

848
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Speaker 1: looks like. When they suppress our vote they change the laws, right,

849
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Speaker 1: they make it illegal for us to access it. What

850
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about is not a llegal means by which

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Speaker 1: to suppress a vote. That's not my issue. I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: you thought you bought into a system by buying Donald

853
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Speaker 1: aprothetic that reflected what you think, your values, your your

854
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: best interests, and now it's proven that that ain't true

855
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Speaker 1: for you on this issue of Epstein, whatever that be.

856
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Speaker 1: All these guys are losers. Don't support any of them.

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Speaker 1: And guess what, that's not a hard argument. That's what

858
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Speaker 1: they believe before and that's what they believe now, except

859
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Speaker 1: except for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 8: But you're the path forward.

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Speaker 1: Democratic voters who are already our voters but have chosen.

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Speaker 8: But I guess I'm asking that gets us to a win.

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Speaker 3: That okay, But what I'm asking is in the current

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Speaker 3: infrastructure that we have, in the Democratic Party that exists

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Speaker 3: in this country, and in the Maga cult that exists

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Speaker 3: in this country, in the big bucket of apathetic people

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Speaker 3: that exist in this country, do you think that is

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Speaker 3: a logical path forward that can produce a tangible success

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Speaker 3: when it comes to policy and participation?

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Speaker 1: Okay, absolutely, guess what that that produced, that produced Joe

871
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Speaker 1: Biden and twenty twenty. What produced Joe Biden was the

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Speaker 1: fact that Republicans who had been there for him in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen decided they were not going to be there

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. What did they do? They sat at home.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that is also the gateway that gave

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Speaker 1: us Barack Obama. The same white voters who showed up to.

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Speaker 8: Put they stayed home in twenty.

878
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: Twenty four did not decide that they were going to

879
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 1: block Obama from becoming president. They stayed home.

880
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 6: Some of them voted for Barack Obama.

881
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: That may be true, but I'm telling you the victory doesn't.

882
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, but not in number. Overwhelmingly.

883
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 3: They stayed home in two thousand and eight, in two thousands, well,

884
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: but there were vertibles. Well, I don't know that they

885
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 3: were convertibles. There were people who were frustrated with the

886
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 3: Bush administration. So it wasn't necessarily a vote for Obama,

887
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: but a vote against the party that.

888
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 4: Existed, the same thing that we may be going tours now.

889
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 4: It could be a coalition of people who are voting

890
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 4: against what they thought they were.

891
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 8: I don't I think I'm a playbill. Almost twenty years old. Now,

892
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 8: I don't know what.

893
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 4: We need to throw ship at the wall to see

894
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 4: what sticks. That's the playbook, his ship.

895
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 6: We need our own ship at his ship. But it

896
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 6: sounds like.

897
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 8: You are hopeful, like you face, I.

898
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 6: Am desperate, is what you're Okay, that's desperate answer to

899
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 6: get people. I am not. Let me make sure that

900
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 6: everybody p s a everybody.

901
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 4: I am not opposed to getting black people out to

902
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 4: the post. I am not opposed to getting brown people

903
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 4: out to the polls. I am not opposed to getting

904
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 4: Indigenous people out to the post. What I'm saying is,

905
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 4: with all of that, we still need to make sure

906
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 4: we have more numbers. Andrew is saying we to include

907
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 4: white people today. That's a new breaking news on this show.

908
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 4: That's fine, Andrew. I'm with we being white people too great.

909
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying this is, this is, this has

910
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: been our map by the way to victory every cycle,

911
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: juicing our voters over theres.

912
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 6: But your hour is very loose in a way that

913
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 6: was confusing.

914
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

915
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 8: I'm saying this is the difference as a democratic voter.

916
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying. Our let me define it.

917
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: Real quick. Yeah, our are the voters who, if they vote,

918
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: they will vote for Democrats.

919
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 6: Okay, so what she said.

920
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 1: That's not a Democratic voter.

921
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 8: Yes, I understand, but it makes your difference.

922
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: It's a big difference.

923
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 6: So what is it then?

924
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 8: Who's the power is somebody who will vote for it.

925
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if Democrat, if your party, but if

926
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 3: you vote, you will vote for.

927
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 6: But includes white people.

928
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: And he's not speaking right. He's not speaking from a

929
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: race perspective. He's speaking from a political perspective.

930
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm right, And so I want to contrast that voter,

931
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: that voter who if they vote, they will vote for

932
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: the Democrat. I want to contrast that voter with a

933
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: voter who has to be persuaded. A voter who has

934
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: to be persuaded is one who is right now inclined

935
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: to supporting Donald Trump, probably has and is up until

936
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: this point, up until this fisher has arrived. That persuadable

937
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: voter one has to make has to draw the conclusion

938
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: that they're in a better bed if they switch over

939
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: and vote for the Democrat than they would have on

940
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: the whole. Taking the totality of their interest into consideration,

941
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: then they would be if they stayed with Donald Trump

942
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: or state with the Republicans, or they could also draw

943
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: the conclusion that they're pissed as hell with the Republicans.

944
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: They don't sanction what they did on Epstein or maybe

945
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: some other issue, and they say I'm staying home. I

946
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: think we underestimate the power of a voter who is

947
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: determined to vote for Democrats don't easily get persuaded to

948
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: change their vote to a Republican and vice versa. I

949
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: will never so long as I live and have a

950
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: brain to think with and hard to care with, I

951
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: don't think I'll ever be in common cause with today's

952
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: Republican party. I don't care how mad I get with Democrats.

953
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: I may vote for a third party, I may not

954
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: vote at all on that particular race. But to tell

955
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: me to be bad at Democrats on this issue and

956
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: then go wholesale to the other side, who's ninety nine

957
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: percent agenda is against me, it's tom foolish. It is.

958
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: So you're saying there's a pathway on the other side.

959
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 3: I think Angela is kind of saying the same thing.

960
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 3: Out of desperation, let's try to get whomever we can.

961
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm just saying we don't have to be desperate and

962
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: make the choice to go persuadable.

963
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: I get the nuance you're saying, like tap into people

964
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 3: who are receptive.

965
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: To We're already with you, yes, right, because.

966
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 3: You and I agree that anybody who's a Trumper.

967
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 8: Is not convertible.

968
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: It is not convertible.

969
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 3: And I think Angela correct me if I'm wrong. You're saying,

970
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: let's try to get everybody, including them. Let's try to

971
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 3: get everybody.

972
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 6: And I'm not saying starting with them.

973
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 4: I hope I'll never clearly abandon your base, and by base,

974
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 4: I don't mean just the people who turned out in

975
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 4: this last election. Yes, if there is another election, we

976
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 4: need to have all hands on days.

977
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: I think Democrats interpret that message of persuadable and go

978
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: get everybody to mean that ninety percent of their budgets

979
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: around who they talk to.

980
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 6: Done.

981
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: But that's why I'm saying that the message must be

982
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: clear here to the extent. By the way, I'm not

983
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: saying every person to a person who is with Donald

984
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: Trump can't be converted. That's not what I'm saying. What

985
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying is they cannot be converted, and large enough

986
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: numbers to make an electoral difference, and that's what matters

987
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. So the numbers that

988
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: make a difference are your voters going to the polls.

989
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: That's why the negotiation of Democrats and candidates make every

990
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: time when they're in cycle is whether they spend their

991
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: money toward getting voters who are not with them but

992
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: persuading them to their side to now vote, or doubling

993
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: down on your current base of voters and juicing that

994
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: number to the best of your ability. Democrats in my

995
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: state have large we believed that the best investment is

996
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: and taking those precious resources and spending it toward what

997
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: you believe is the movable middle, I think, and every

998
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: time that lesson has taught us a loss.

999
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 6: I think.

1000
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 4: My frustration with this conversation is we are talking about

1001
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 4: an election that's not currently happening, and all I'm talking

1002
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 4: about right now is getting these folks aligned with the

1003
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 4: with us on other issues so that we can proactively

1004
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 4: fight and then put up what an alternative to what

1005
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 4: this disaster.

1006
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 6: Is looks like.

1007
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 4: Right now, we keep talking about an election that I

1008
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 4: want to be honest with people, we don't know is

1009
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 4: going to happen.

1010
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: It is scheduled. It is scheduled.

1011
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 6: It is scheduled across it's scheduled.

1012
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying, I know you mean, I'm saying

1013
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 4: that there are people who are DOCA recipients, who are

1014
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 4: in holding facilities and ready to be deported. I'm saying

1015
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 4: that the rule of law does not matter. Whether it's

1016
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 4: about immigration, or it's about our civil rights, or it's

1017
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 4: about labor, it doesn't matter. Like everything is on the

1018
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 4: chopping block, and at the very least, maybe if we

1019
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 4: pull together right now, we can stop some of the hemorrhaging.

1020
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 4: I'm not at the election yet, so I mean, I'm

1021
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 4: happy to have an election conversation, but I think that's

1022
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 4: foolish because there are so many fights that we have

1023
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 4: to have to even get there and to even.

1024
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 6: Protect whether or not election day would be here for

1025
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 6: us to go cast a ballot.

1026
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 3: Don't go anywhere, guys, because we're shifting focused to midterms.

1027
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 3: I think gonna happen or not, let's get into it.

1028
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 3: We'll see on the other side. So I definitely I

1029
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 3: understand what Jaday and Angela completely because you brought it up.

1030
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 3: I want to punctuate this point about midterms, because we

1031
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 3: talked about this last week on the podcast, and producer

1032
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 3: Nick is telling us we have like ten minutes left,

1033
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 3: so I'll be brief so we can get to our CCA's.

1034
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: But we see already Republicans cheating in Texas. They are

1035
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 3: the Republican control legislature is redrawing the maps. And so

1036
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,479
Speaker 3: what Republicans would say is, well, how can you say

1037
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 3: that we had more people vote in the last election

1038
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: in the time before. And yes, you have more people voting,

1039
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 3: but they're voting in jerrymandered congressional districts. And jerry mandering

1040
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 3: is something that's practiced by both parties. It's not illegal,

1041
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: but racial jerry mandering is. And those two twin components

1042
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 3: are often right exactly those two twins. Well, they're still

1043
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 3: technically illegal. But what's illegal?

1044
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 8: Now, what's the law the Civil.

1045
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 6: Rights Division that would normally look at these maps and

1046
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 6: tell them.

1047
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: That they have reclassed white people as the victim class,

1048
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 3: and the Civil Rights Division at the DLJ. And so

1049
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 3: I take your point Angela, where you're saying, we're talking

1050
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 3: about an election that's not here and that may not

1051
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 3: happen in the terms of how we experience elections to happen.

1052
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: We've never really had free and fair elections, but it

1053
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 3: has been in boldened now where they're throwing everything at

1054
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 3: the bit. My perspective on that ridge, even if Democrats

1055
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 3: were to seize control of the House, the Senate, and

1056
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: some state legislatures across the country, I don't know that

1057
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 3: this party, even given a modicum of power, is ready

1058
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 3: to meet the moment to combat what we're seeing happening

1059
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 3: by the Trump administration. I'm not saying to abandon hope.

1060
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 3: I'm not saying don't vote. I think, to Angelo's point,

1061
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 3: we have to fight with everything we've got everywhere we

1062
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 3: can fight. I want to make that clear. I reach

1063
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 3: y'all's comments that y'all tired of me and the doom

1064
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: and gloom. Fine, I'm trying to say there is something

1065
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 3: that can be done. I'm not encouraging or discouraging action

1066
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 3: from anyone. I just don't know, when you ask what

1067
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 3: the path forward is, I don't know that there is

1068
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: a path to stop what we're seeing. I'm a bit exhausted.

1069
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: These were the things that we grew up reading about

1070
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 3: are still happening in our lifetimes. The things that we've battled,

1071
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: the things that we've seen happen. Mandatory minimums are back

1072
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 3: mass and Carson will once again increase if you look

1073
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 3: at Project twenty twenty five as a guide. So I

1074
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 3: just don't know that there's a path to a better tomorrow.

1075
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 3: The only path I can focus on is a path

1076
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 3: to shelter and safety for our people. And when I

1077
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 3: say our people, I mean our community. And if we

1078
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 3: can ally if fifty or fifty two percent of Latino

1079
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 3: men voted for Donald Trump, I'm certainly willing to ally

1080
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 3: with the forty eight percent who did not, and I

1081
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 3: would extend that to all communities across which I think

1082
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Speaker 3: is your point.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Well, I would just say, as a matter of

1084
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: not my opinion, but of fact, if Democrats were to

1085
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: become the majority party inside the House of Representatives, as

1086
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: they have under Hakim Jeffrey's leadership, the Speaker designee of

1087
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: the House of Representatives, should Democrats gain control, he has

1088
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: been able to hold his party to vote to a

1089
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: person every Democrat against the Republican's agenda. So far in

1090
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: this as an opposition party, they ain't been the greatest

1091
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: on messaging. I have issues with the fact that they

1092
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: should do more alternative programming opposite what Trump's doing. When

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Speaker 1: he signed that build better, build badly, build that will

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Speaker 1: burnish all of us, they should have had counter programming.

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Speaker 1: I got my issues, but I know this much. There

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Speaker 1: were speakers of the House that could not do could

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Speaker 1: not match what he's been able to do to this

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Speaker 1: point by keeping all Democrats voting the exact same way.

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Speaker 1: If he's able to carry that into leadership as the

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Speaker 1: Speaker of the House, he can stop Donald Trump's agenda wholesale,

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Speaker 1: should it have anything to do with a piece of

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Speaker 1: legislation that needs to be passed through both the House

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Speaker 1: the Senate and then signed into law by the President,

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Speaker 1: they could bring their legislative agenda to a complete and

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Speaker 1: total halt. Suddenly, when they gain control, they can appoint

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Speaker 1: chairmans of committees that can launch investigations across the broad

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Speaker 1: swipe of this government, and they can barrel this administration

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Speaker 1: and investigations. Now, the Supreme Court may have made Donald

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Speaker 1: trumpet king, but everybody under him can be punished by

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Speaker 1: the law, can be jailed, can be prosecuted if they

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Speaker 1: run a foul of the law. So a Department of

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Speaker 1: Justice that says ignore the orders of a judge or

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Speaker 1: a just right.

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Speaker 3: That that is what I swear. I was sitting here thinking,

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Speaker 3: so let's just say that he's gonna be right. So

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Speaker 3: they run investigations, they find him guilty, I would direct

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Speaker 3: you to the Muller Report.

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Speaker 1: Put him to the work of doing it.

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Speaker 4: I think, I think, Andrew, this is this is where

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Speaker 4: I think we get it wrong.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I really do that.

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Speaker 1: Opposed to what we have today, which is we can

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Speaker 1: put masks up and hold signs up during a speech

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Speaker 1: but have no power to do anything.

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Speaker 6: Well, what I think that.

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Speaker 4: I think that my issue is, in order for us

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Speaker 4: to change what is happening, we have to accept what is.

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Speaker 4: And I think some of the things that we keep

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Speaker 4: putting up as strategies to combat what's going on is

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Speaker 4: denial of what is actually happening.

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Speaker 6: Yes it is, Andrew, you can shake your head.

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Speaker 4: But I'm saying, like, if you keep coming up with

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Speaker 4: solutions that would work in ordinary circumstances, or we're gonna

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Speaker 4: engage in oversight, We're going to pass legislation to do

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Speaker 4: He's still got to sign a bill into law.

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Speaker 6: He's not going to sign it into law.

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Speaker 1: No, law. There will be no law.

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Speaker 6: There's not law now, there's not. Yes, there's not.

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Speaker 1: There's lawlessness now because Republicans run rough shot over the

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Speaker 1: government at every level.

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Speaker 6: Andrew, that's why, Andrews.

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Speaker 11: Let me.

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Speaker 6: Let me just make sure that.

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Speaker 1: We just no lot of that.

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Speaker 6: That I'm not saying something different.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying and as our friends Vince will say, I

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Speaker 4: am in violent agreement with you on that and to

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Speaker 4: that point, because there is rampant lawlessness. Because the folks

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Speaker 4: on January sixth, twenty twenty one are now literally in

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Speaker 4: the freaking cabinet, we have a different set of circumstances.

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Speaker 6: This is wartime now. This ain't no time to pass

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Speaker 6: your little bill that he's not gonna sign.

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Speaker 1: This is not your.

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Speaker 4: Time to hold a special have a special committee and

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Speaker 4: an oversight responsibility around his God. This ain't the time

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Speaker 4: to go knock on the doors of the Department Education

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Speaker 4: is about to be defunded and hope they'll let you in.

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Speaker 4: This ain't the time to go and try to sit

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Speaker 4: down and meet with him and come let us reason.

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Speaker 1: Everything you're talking about is wellowed persist, because there's a

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Speaker 1: way I'm not done. No accountability there's exactly.

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Speaker 4: And the accountability, No, the accountability won't change in a

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Speaker 4: year and a half when maybe my could potential twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty six elections come up.

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Speaker 6: I don't think that. I don't think that's what time

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Speaker 6: it is. I think the time is now inaccurate. It's

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Speaker 6: not How is it accurate?

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Speaker 1: Because where you are failing to take into consideration, I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not talking about Democrats advancing any legislation. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that'll do anything other than investigate the mother

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Speaker 1: put people in jail who are breaking the law.

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Speaker 6: And he's gonna let them out of jail.

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Speaker 1: Stand up the third that's fine, put into the work line.

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Speaker 6: It put Andrew, it's not fine.

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Speaker 3: And I'm telling you that's what I'm.

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Speaker 1: Saying, until until they have to do it, until they're

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Speaker 1: out of office.

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Speaker 4: And I was presuming that they're going to be out

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Speaker 4: of office. So I guess all I'm saying is because

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Speaker 4: let me.

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Speaker 1: There are some bedrocks to the system.

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Speaker 6: Andrew, the bad rocks have been shook.

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Speaker 1: To their own because they are in total and complete control.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and that's not going to change.

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Speaker 4: The Supreme Court makeup is not going to change. Or

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Speaker 4: three branches, Andrew, the three branches are compromised.

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Speaker 1: The three branches are compromised because Republicans control all Yes,

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Speaker 1: and Andrew, Wait a minute. As a matter of factor

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Speaker 1: and not an opinion, Andrew, is that if Democrats hold control,

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Speaker 1: they are one of the one third that makes up

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Speaker 1: the governing structure of the country. I hear you saying

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Speaker 1: that everybody's.

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Speaker 4: Rolling the government, which puts us in the constitutional crisis

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Speaker 4: we're in right now. He's defied the constitution because there's

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Speaker 4: in a constitutional crisis to him, No, Andrew, even with

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Speaker 4: the opposition, Andrew, if the Democrats get control of the House,

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Speaker 4: they might they likely won't get control of the Senate.

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Speaker 4: They still are going to be in a constitutional crisis

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Speaker 4: if the Democrats get control of the Senate.

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Speaker 6: But it is a constitutional not.

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Speaker 1: A constitutional executive. Democrats only control one bud. It is

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Speaker 1: not a constitutional crisis, Andrew.

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Speaker 4: It is if you decide, all that require is required

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Speaker 4: for a constitutional crisis is for one branch of government

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Speaker 4: to defy the orders of another. It is happening every

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Speaker 4: single day. The other thing that I want you to consider,

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Speaker 4: maybe we talk about it next time. They getting ready

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Speaker 4: to do a constitutional.

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Speaker 3: Convention and then and then well is it not good?

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Speaker 6: Not good?

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Speaker 8: But let me it's not good to open it in.

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Speaker 1: A long time, and there are a lot of people in.

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Speaker 4: The legislats that are going to rough shot over everything

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Speaker 4: public and lead, Yes, what.

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Speaker 3: I think because because unfortunately we're out of time, guys,

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Speaker 3: I think we can either pick this up on the

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Speaker 3: mini pod because I think this is a good I

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Speaker 3: think what you two are representing our factions on our

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Speaker 3: side of the divide, because I find myself getting frustrated

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Speaker 3: with things.

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Speaker 8: Both of y'all are saying and agreeing with things.

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Speaker 3: Both of y'all are hands so and I think that

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Speaker 3: there's that we all are saying the same thing on

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Speaker 3: some level. So with that, unfortunately we do have to

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Speaker 3: move to CCAS and we're doing this normally. We will

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Speaker 3: let the conversation go for the folks listening and watching,

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Speaker 3: but Angela has a flight, we have more to record.

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Speaker 1: It's all good. We got to be disciplined do with

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Speaker 1: our time.

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Speaker 8: I guess, yes, and then we can move it.

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Speaker 1: Forward, which is simply that there are some dead rocks

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Speaker 1: that if a conversation is supposed to happen collesially that

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Speaker 1: have to be under recognition. We don't get the makeup facts. Facts,

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Speaker 1: we have opinions. Facts should be immutable, and we're all

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Speaker 1: entitled to an opinion, but we're not entitled to our

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Speaker 1: own facts. And I do think that I hope this

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Speaker 1: bay continues, not only on this platform, but wherever you are.

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Speaker 1: I hope you are assessing what options you have to

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Speaker 1: hold your elected officials accountable.

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Speaker 8: Love it handle well?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I hope that people are not having fact free

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Speaker 4: debates at home. We certainly don't do it on this podcast.

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Speaker 4: But I would also say I am hopeful that folks

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Speaker 4: will take the time I have m a sound like

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Speaker 4: you today tip to read what's really going on and

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Speaker 4: make an assessment, even spiritually, about where you think we are.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that things are going to be as

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Speaker 4: fixable just with one election, because our democracy has essentially

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Speaker 4: been unraveled in seven months time. So I'm hoping that

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Speaker 4: people will really see how they can lean in what

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Speaker 4: they feel called to do and push. It's going to

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Speaker 4: take all hands in, all great minds and innovation on

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Speaker 4: deck to make it through this one.

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Speaker 3: My CTA is just curating moments of joy. I wants

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Speaker 3: to thank everyone for agreeing with Andrew and me and

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Speaker 3: our CTA from last week for the speakerphone Angela, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the poll, the data is and speakerphones are out.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 6: Walking down the street, we're doing that.

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Speaker 3: Like even yesterday, I'm like, I feel like I'm being

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Speaker 3: trolled because I said this, and now everybody around me

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Speaker 3: is on a speakerphone. So I want to thank you

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Speaker 3: guys for weighing in. I also want to thank you

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Speaker 3: all for weighing in with all your comments about Angela's glasses,

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Speaker 3: which I get to see in person. Everyone loves your glasses.

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Speaker 3: They were like, Angela, so you got those glasses. So

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Speaker 3: I want to thank you all for that. So this

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Speaker 3: is just my joyful moment saying thank you for agreeing

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Speaker 3: with me because that felt nice. Uh, And to invite

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Speaker 3: you all to curate moments of joy because whatever the

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Speaker 3: path forward is, if it's OVA in five years, five months,

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Speaker 3: or whatever, treat each day like it's your last. Tell

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Speaker 3: the folks you love them. Do what makes you feel

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Speaker 3: good as long as it le and just you know,

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Speaker 3: that's my whole thing. If it don't make me smile

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Speaker 3: or laugh, I don't want no parts of it.

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Speaker 1: There it is curate joy and as always we want

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