1
00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:14,800
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, Hey everybody, It's Thursday, January fourth, twenty twenty four.

2
00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,720
Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, or we should

3
00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,159
Speaker 1: probably cut down on our screen time. It's me your man,

4
00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,880
Speaker 1: nam G barcus Gan, joined by Michael f Florio, and

5
00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,239
Speaker 1: here we are. We are officially four days into the

6
00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,960
Speaker 1: new year. Has it settled in? Has it sunk in

7
00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,120
Speaker 1: yet that the fantasy season is pretty much over now?

8
00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,640
Speaker 2: And it is starting to because you got a test

9
00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,879
Speaker 2: to this, Marcus. For you know, months, we get excited

10
00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,360
Speaker 2: for it, and then for seventeen weeks it is literally

11
00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,800
Speaker 2: is life for us. And like there's a set schedule

12
00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,320
Speaker 2: and this is the first week where things are different

13
00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,080
Speaker 2: routine wise, and my body's kind of letting me know, like, yeah,

14
00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,000
Speaker 2: a break is needed.

15
00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm pretty much at that point too.

16
00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:58,960
Speaker 1: I will say this, it was very nice to be

17
00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,160
Speaker 1: able to squeeze in a word workout this morning before

18
00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,640
Speaker 1: we started doing the podcast, you know, not knowing knowing

19
00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,880
Speaker 1: that I don't have to necessarily spend late nights grinding

20
00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,360
Speaker 1: stats and pouring over like next Gin or anything like that. Like,

21
00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,319
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's fun in the moment, but as

22
00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:14,959
Speaker 1: you said, it's always nice to kind of have a

23
00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,240
Speaker 1: break at some point at the end of the season too,

24
00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,120
Speaker 1: so we got something to talk about. We are in

25
00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,800
Speaker 1: the midst of our season recap. On Tuesday. We did

26
00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,119
Speaker 1: the things that were good today, We'll do the things

27
00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,040
Speaker 1: that were bad next week. We'll get into the wtfs,

28
00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,080
Speaker 1: the things that didn't really make a whole lot of sense,

29
00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,120
Speaker 1: and try to figure out how real or not some

30
00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,480
Speaker 1: of those things were. Also, we'll give you a DFS

31
00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,280
Speaker 1: preview because we know some of you out there are

32
00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,680
Speaker 1: still sweating through the final game of the regular season,

33
00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,840
Speaker 1: so we'll give you some value picks if you are

34
00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,320
Speaker 1: still playing daily fantasy. And yeah, we're gonna give you

35
00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,280
Speaker 1: our daily lineups for the week as well. I was

36
00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,040
Speaker 1: gonna start with news, but there's really no news happening

37
00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,920
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, unless you consider Carson Wentz starting

38
00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,760
Speaker 1: to be news. I don't know how that excites you

39
00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,880
Speaker 1: at all. Okay, good enough, So let's dive into the

40
00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,880
Speaker 1: things that sort of went sideways with the fantasy season

41
00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,839
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. And the first thing that came

42
00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,120
Speaker 1: into my mind was generally the first round of drafts.

43
00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,240
Speaker 1: You know, at the time, we spent so much time

44
00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,200
Speaker 1: doing mock drafts and talking about guys who are going

45
00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,919
Speaker 1: to be first round picks and who's going to be

46
00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,799
Speaker 1: the number one overall, and on and on and on.

47
00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,960
Speaker 1: This year, the first round was not good, Mike. I

48
00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,840
Speaker 1: mean there were standowns. If you look, Christian McCaffrey was amazing,

49
00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,519
Speaker 1: he gave you first round value, and then some seeding.

50
00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,760
Speaker 1: Lamb went late in the first round. He was the

51
00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,600
Speaker 1: wide receiver one. He was phenomenal down the stretch. I

52
00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,560
Speaker 1: mean I looked it up what seeding Lamb did from

53
00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:47,360
Speaker 1: weeks eight through seventeen. That stretch alone would have been

54
00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,360
Speaker 1: good to make him the wide receiver seven for the

55
00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,120
Speaker 1: whole season. Like that's how amazing he was, right, it's

56
00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,880
Speaker 1: mind blowing. But there were so many other things that

57
00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,560
Speaker 1: sort of went sideways. He got injuries, like Justin Jefferson,

58
00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,720
Speaker 1: Our Chase was hurt, Joe Burrow was hurt. Some of

59
00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,480
Speaker 1: these things. I wonder if we should see coma should

60
00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,960
Speaker 1: have seen coming, or was it just bad luck with

61
00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,519
Speaker 1: what happened in the first round this year.

62
00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,959
Speaker 2: I think it's circumstantial, Like if you had Justin Jefferson,

63
00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,400
Speaker 2: that's bad luck. The dude is still gonna put up

64
00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,519
Speaker 2: over a thousand yards despite all the time that he missed,

65
00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:26,040
Speaker 2: despite his QB one going down. Jamar Chase, maybe there

66
00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,040
Speaker 2: were signs late in the summer when we were like

67
00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,160
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's hurt, but Joe Burrow played until a new

68
00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,640
Speaker 2: injury happened and hampered him. So bad luck with that one.

69
00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,480
Speaker 2: Like Tyreek Hill, you made the right call if you

70
00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,080
Speaker 2: took Tyreek Hill in the first round. I know it

71
00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,640
Speaker 2: didn't work out in the Fantasy playoffs, but you made

72
00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,720
Speaker 2: the right call there with him. So anyone's like that

73
00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,880
Speaker 2: where it's injury related, I think is bad luck and

74
00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,720
Speaker 2: it's something that you just had to kind of chuck

75
00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,040
Speaker 2: up to. Hey, football's a violent game. There's always a

76
00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,920
Speaker 2: risk of injury. But the other ones, like Travis Kelcey

77
00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,520
Speaker 2: is not bad luck. He kind of I don't want

78
00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,280
Speaker 2: to say he's falling off a cliff, but I don't

79
00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,760
Speaker 2: foresee myself drafting him at a high cost next year

80
00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,840
Speaker 2: just in case that one. There was really no signs

81
00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,119
Speaker 2: of decline for Travis kelce Bjeon Robinson. You could say

82
00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,479
Speaker 2: we should have known that Arthur Smith was gonna do this,

83
00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,240
Speaker 2: but tent wise, everything wise, our eyes are telling us

84
00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,960
Speaker 2: that Beijon is a first round talent. Sakuon Barkley there,

85
00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,080
Speaker 2: I guess there was some signs because of the offense

86
00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,440
Speaker 2: he plays. In Stefan Diggs there was no sign of

87
00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,120
Speaker 2: and for nine weeks it looks like you made the

88
00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,400
Speaker 2: right choice. So the one first round pick that maybe

89
00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,880
Speaker 2: we could have seen the fall off coming was Austin Eckler,

90
00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,000
Speaker 2: I think because new offensive coordinators, stuff like that. But

91
00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,320
Speaker 2: a lot of this, I think is is a reminder

92
00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,320
Speaker 2: that it is tough to predict the future and what

93
00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:52,880
Speaker 2: other people are going to do.

94
00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,640
Speaker 1: But I always tell people, like it is hard predicting

95
00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,120
Speaker 1: the future. I say to people a lot. Since I

96
00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,720
Speaker 1: started doing this job, I gained a new found appreciation

97
00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,159
Speaker 1: for meteorologists, right like your weather people on your local news.

98
00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,920
Speaker 1: Maybe not in Los Angeles, because it's pretty easy to

99
00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,200
Speaker 1: predict the weather in Los Angeles, like, hey man, the

100
00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,320
Speaker 1: sun's gonna be out and it's probably gonna be around

101
00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,279
Speaker 1: seventy five degrees Like that's pretty it's pretty much an

102
00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,599
Speaker 1: easy gig. But like in other places that have like

103
00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,760
Speaker 1: actual weather, where it's hard, Like I respect what those

104
00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,240
Speaker 1: folks do because it is hard to predict the future.

105
00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,640
Speaker 1: You mentioned a few names though, that I thought really

106
00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,799
Speaker 1: stood out this season. You mentioned Austin Eckler, Saquon Barkley.

107
00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,120
Speaker 1: These guys I think are in particularly precarious situations, right

108
00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,880
Speaker 1: because they've had a lot of wear and tear. They've

109
00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,080
Speaker 1: had some injury issues, especially Barkley in his career. Eckler

110
00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,719
Speaker 1: was beat up a little bit this year and had

111
00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,359
Speaker 1: a lot of touches. But both of them are hitting

112
00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,000
Speaker 1: free agency this year too. And you know, there was

113
00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,680
Speaker 1: a whole lot that happened last offseason. You had running

114
00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,680
Speaker 1: backs getting on conference calls or zooms talking about how

115
00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,080
Speaker 1: they can maximize their value and maybe up their contract

116
00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,560
Speaker 1: status and that sort of thing. We know, guys don't

117
00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,560
Speaker 1: get paid at this position, right, And the whole argument

118
00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,440
Speaker 1: about whether or not they should, that's a different conversation.

119
00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,480
Speaker 1: Just the reality is they aren't getting paid, they're getting older,

120
00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,960
Speaker 1: they've had a lot of touches. When you look at

121
00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,440
Speaker 1: Eckler and Saquon Barkley, have we seen the last of

122
00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,599
Speaker 1: them as top ten fantasy running backs?

123
00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,040
Speaker 2: I think we have seen the last of them getting

124
00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,919
Speaker 2: drafted as top ten running backs. It wouldn't surprise me

125
00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,000
Speaker 2: if one of them finishes next year is like a

126
00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,800
Speaker 2: top ten because a lot of especially in total points,

127
00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,200
Speaker 2: that often comes down to who stays healthy and who doesn't.

128
00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,320
Speaker 2: But the one, and you could call me a homer

129
00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,839
Speaker 2: here in a sense, the one that I feel best

130
00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,159
Speaker 2: about is Austin Eckler. That's been my guy for years,

131
00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,480
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to shy away from it. Because

132
00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,800
Speaker 2: he can still catch the ball at a high rate

133
00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,840
Speaker 2: out of the backfield. He can still produce as.

134
00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:53,520
Speaker 1: A goal line runner.

135
00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,440
Speaker 2: We know that I am not convinced that this high

136
00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,360
Speaker 2: ankle spring that he suffered early in the year hasn't

137
00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,000
Speaker 2: contributed to this being a down year for him, because

138
00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,599
Speaker 2: I know with running backs the fall off is steep.

139
00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,479
Speaker 2: But there was not a whole lot in his profile

140
00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,480
Speaker 2: that pointed to a season like this coming for Eckler.

141
00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:17,320
Speaker 2: For Sakuon, he's so good in real life, but he's

142
00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,239
Speaker 2: always banged up. He's always fighting injuries, and in fact,

143
00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,080
Speaker 2: I've just pulled up. He's three times in his now

144
00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,480
Speaker 2: six years has finished as a top ten running back

145
00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,960
Speaker 2: on a per game basis. Like at some point we

146
00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,680
Speaker 2: got to be like, okay, Saquon. We know he's awesome.

147
00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,880
Speaker 2: Our eyes tell us that, but it just hasn't led

148
00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,560
Speaker 2: to the same type of Fantasy production that we thought

149
00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:37,840
Speaker 2: it would.

150
00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I you know, I don't know how much

151
00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,080
Speaker 1: of that is the offense. I mean maybe some of

152
00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,280
Speaker 1: it is. You know, just it feels like he's got

153
00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,560
Speaker 1: to do so much for the Giants to be successful,

154
00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:50,880
Speaker 1: and he's got to do so much for him to

155
00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,640
Speaker 1: be successful, and that maybe his playing style sort of

156
00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,400
Speaker 1: leads to him suffering more injuries than he normally would

157
00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,920
Speaker 1: in any given week. I think for Eckler, I don't

158
00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,920
Speaker 1: know where he goes that will allow him to do

159
00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,400
Speaker 1: what he was doing for the Chargers. I mean, he

160
00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,920
Speaker 1: really was dominating the snaps and the touches. He was

161
00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,560
Speaker 1: so good catching the football. He was such a touchdown

162
00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,280
Speaker 1: monster for the previous two or three years, maybe not

163
00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,520
Speaker 1: this year, but the previous two or three years, and

164
00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,120
Speaker 1: had had so much to do with his production, and

165
00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,440
Speaker 1: I struggled to see anywhere he could go that's going

166
00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,000
Speaker 1: to give him that sort of workload. I would love

167
00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,440
Speaker 1: for him to bounce back. I said this on Fantasy

168
00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,079
Speaker 1: Live earlier in the week, that he's one of us, right,

169
00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's part of why we love him. Part

170
00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,400
Speaker 1: of it at his production, part of it is that,

171
00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,920
Speaker 1: like we know, he's sweating it out with us, he's

172
00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,800
Speaker 1: setting a lineup that he's doing waivers and he's kind

173
00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,320
Speaker 1: of watching it and he's playing along with us, and

174
00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:46,880
Speaker 1: so I think for that we all sort of have

175
00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,880
Speaker 1: a different level of respect for him, and so I

176
00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,160
Speaker 1: would love to see him be successful. But I do

177
00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,520
Speaker 1: think that we've seen the last of him as a

178
00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,160
Speaker 1: top ten back for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if

179
00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,040
Speaker 1: maybe Saquan has another burst in there somewhere, if he

180
00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,959
Speaker 1: can find a way to stay healthy, especially if he

181
00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,079
Speaker 1: stays with the Giants, which you know, I don't think

182
00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,680
Speaker 1: is a ridiculous idea. If he could stay with the Giants,

183
00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,800
Speaker 1: he could stay with a workhorse workload, maybe he pops

184
00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,920
Speaker 1: in another top ten season if he can stay healthy.

185
00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,480
Speaker 1: I think for Eckler that just might be it, because

186
00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't know who's going to pay him. I don't

187
00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,320
Speaker 1: know who's going to give him the same level of

188
00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,719
Speaker 1: touches that he's getting, and you know, I just don't

189
00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,040
Speaker 1: know that the production is ever going to be there

190
00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,040
Speaker 1: for him again. Which kind of hurts my heart, to

191
00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:32,800
Speaker 1: be honest.

192
00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,280
Speaker 2: Give a shout out to Eckler's podcast. In Friend of

193
00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,960
Speaker 2: the Show, Matt Harmon, I don't know if you saw,

194
00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,719
Speaker 2: like I saw a clip from their show like a

195
00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,840
Speaker 2: week or so ago, and Eckler said he'll be back

196
00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,200
Speaker 2: next year if he gets a good opportunity. And he's like,

197
00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,480
Speaker 2: if I get like a practice squad invite, I'm not

198
00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,280
Speaker 2: going to sign up, And I'm like practice squad, Like,

199
00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,079
Speaker 2: what are we doing here?

200
00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:53,959
Speaker 1: I can't imagine.

201
00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,040
Speaker 2: If that's the case, then I don't know what's going on.

202
00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he's gonna get a practice squad opportunity.

203
00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,960
Speaker 1: Look Dalvin Cook, who at times looked cooked this year,

204
00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,719
Speaker 1: I mean he was able to hang on and get

205
00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,920
Speaker 1: a job, you know. I mean he's at the moment

206
00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:14,040
Speaker 1: a free agent. But I'm sure someone will offer Austin

207
00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,240
Speaker 1: Eckler a contract. It may take a while for him

208
00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:17,920
Speaker 1: to get a deal, and I'm sure it's not going

209
00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,839
Speaker 1: to be anything close to what he was hoping he

210
00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,760
Speaker 1: would get. But he still has enough that he's going

211
00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,400
Speaker 1: to get a job somewhere, especially if he's healthy. You

212
00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:31,440
Speaker 1: mentioned Jean Robinson. We talked about rookies earlier in the week,

213
00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,280
Speaker 1: and one of the things that we both said was

214
00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,800
Speaker 1: that it really is if you find the right mixture

215
00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,559
Speaker 1: of talent and opportunity, it's going to be great. We

216
00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,959
Speaker 1: know Bijon has the talent. We thought the opportunity was

217
00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,960
Speaker 1: going to be there, right, We're like, hey, look, yeah,

218
00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,720
Speaker 1: Tyler Algier was good, but John Smable beat out Tyler Algier.

219
00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,560
Speaker 1: He's certainly going to beat out Cordero Patterson for touches

220
00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:57,559
Speaker 1: until he didn't. And the reports right now are that

221
00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,720
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith probably not going anywhere, that he's likely going

222
00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,760
Speaker 1: to be back as the head coach of the Falcons

223
00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,319
Speaker 1: next year. So in that case, can we believe in Bjon?

224
00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,040
Speaker 1: Certainly not the first round pick? Like, I'm not gonna

225
00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,760
Speaker 1: pretend that, but you know, if Bijon's sitting there in say,

226
00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,640
Speaker 1: the third round, and Arthur Smith's still the head coach

227
00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,079
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, do you pull the trigger?

228
00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,520
Speaker 2: Uh? In the third round? I might be tempted, But

229
00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,640
Speaker 2: the issue is I don't. I'm not sold that the

230
00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,560
Speaker 2: fantasy community is going to let him fall to the

231
00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,480
Speaker 2: third round, because you know how it goes all summer long.

232
00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,079
Speaker 2: People are convincing themselves of talent, wins out and all

233
00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,960
Speaker 2: of that. And that's not like I am washing my

234
00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,040
Speaker 2: hands clean of the Atlanta Falcons. I gave them a

235
00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,520
Speaker 2: second chance. Last year I was saying similar stuff, and

236
00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,600
Speaker 2: I gave them a second chance because I was like,

237
00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,280
Speaker 2: they have to change with the change of quarterback, things

238
00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,520
Speaker 2: have to get No, it was even worse this year,

239
00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,240
Speaker 2: So I want no part of it. You know how

240
00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,000
Speaker 2: many weeks Bejon not on this season? He was dragged

241
00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,120
Speaker 2: as a top five running back this season. You know

242
00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,560
Speaker 2: how many weeks he finished as a top five fantasy

243
00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:05,120
Speaker 2: running back.

244
00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say three once. Wow.

245
00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,280
Speaker 2: And it's not a Bijon Robinson isn't good or like

246
00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,640
Speaker 2: we all know he's very good, right, it's just the

247
00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,400
Speaker 2: usage so for me, because not like I could see

248
00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,200
Speaker 2: it being a situation Marcus where like he finishes as

249
00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,199
Speaker 2: a low end RB one similar to this year, he's

250
00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,480
Speaker 2: the RB twelve in total points. It was not fun

251
00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,560
Speaker 2: having Bijon Robinson for most of the year. And that's

252
00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,480
Speaker 2: the thing I need to remember next year is like

253
00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,360
Speaker 2: end of year finishes for the Falcons guys don't matter

254
00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,480
Speaker 2: because they have a couple of Spike Weeks, but more

255
00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,280
Speaker 2: often than not, they're gonna You're gonna drive you yourself

256
00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,040
Speaker 2: crazy trying to trust them.

257
00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:44,880
Speaker 1: So I want no part of that offense. Ive Arster

258
00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,400
Speaker 1: Smith is still there, yeah, I mean that's just it.

259
00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,280
Speaker 1: But I'm with you if if he's still there in

260
00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,240
Speaker 1: the third round, Yeah, I'm taking Bijeon I am. I'm

261
00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,559
Speaker 1: gonna do it again. I'm gonna do I'm that goofy

262
00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,480
Speaker 1: meme Ryan like with the Google with a weird angry like, yeah,

263
00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,800
Speaker 1: I'll do it again, Like that's it's gonna be me

264
00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,679
Speaker 1: because one he finished as the RB twelve. Right, if

265
00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,360
Speaker 1: you're getting that in the third round, I think you're

266
00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,640
Speaker 1: okay with it. I do think a lot of the

267
00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,600
Speaker 1: frustration came with everybody taking him with a first round pick.

268
00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,400
Speaker 1: It's it's Kyle Pitts all over again. Which is fitting

269
00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,640
Speaker 1: that they're on the same roster, right. We got so

270
00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,400
Speaker 1: excited about Kyle Pitts's talent and the fact that he

271
00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,920
Speaker 1: was going to a place that needed a tight end,

272
00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,120
Speaker 1: and we pushed him up and made him a low

273
00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,200
Speaker 1: first round, high second round pick that rookie year, and

274
00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,079
Speaker 1: usually even his rookie year wasn't bad. He had a

275
00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,520
Speaker 1: thousand receiving yards his rookie year. It just wasn't what

276
00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,080
Speaker 1: we thought it was going to be. And Bijon has

277
00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,000
Speaker 1: been the same thing that he wasn't terrible, he just

278
00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,880
Speaker 1: wasn't what we expected him to be because his coach

279
00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,840
Speaker 1: put a cap on what his production could be. Brick

280
00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,600
Speaker 1: London too, Yeah, Drake London the same thing. I am

281
00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,000
Speaker 1: curious what the conversation is going to be. Like you mentioned,

282
00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,160
Speaker 1: is everybody going to be like, hey, talent wins out

283
00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,520
Speaker 1: or is everybody gonna be like Arthur Smith's going to

284
00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:03,359
Speaker 1: screw us again. That's going to be a battle this offseason.

285
00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,040
Speaker 1: And I don't I will say that right now on

286
00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,600
Speaker 1: January fourth, I don't know where I land in that conversation.

287
00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:14,120
Speaker 1: I have no idea. We'll figure that one out. That's

288
00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,680
Speaker 1: going to be a big talking about. I saw Matthew

289
00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,400
Speaker 1: Berry basically saying that as long as Arthur Smith is

290
00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,880
Speaker 1: coaching a team, he will not draft players from that team.

291
00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,080
Speaker 2: That's how I'm gonna handle it as well, I think, Yeah.

292
00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,200
Speaker 1: I mean he even joked that if Arthur Smith started

293
00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,040
Speaker 1: coaching like the Ottawa Senators, he would stop drafting hockey

294
00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,360
Speaker 1: players at that point. I don't even know if he

295
00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,640
Speaker 1: plays fantasy hockey, have no idea, but that was what

296
00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,440
Speaker 1: he said. You also went to Travis Kelsey and this

297
00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:43,880
Speaker 1: year was not a great year for him. I'm not

298
00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,800
Speaker 1: going to make any Taylor Swift jokes. I'm gonna leave

299
00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,040
Speaker 1: that alone. But was this a bump in the road

300
00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,240
Speaker 1: or is this the beginning of a decline for a

301
00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,720
Speaker 1: player who is starting to get older.

302
00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,960
Speaker 2: If anyone can bounce back from something like this, it

303
00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,520
Speaker 2: is arguably the greatest pass catching tight end in the

304
00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,480
Speaker 2: history of football. But he, like you said, he's getting

305
00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,280
Speaker 2: up there in age. He's thirty four years old. Next

306
00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,160
Speaker 2: October he will be thirty five. And this year we

307
00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,240
Speaker 2: it wasn't like, oh, the raw numbers were bad, but

308
00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,680
Speaker 2: everything like the first season since twenty fifteen with under

309
00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,200
Speaker 2: one thousand yards. His yards per target was a career low.

310
00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,600
Speaker 2: His yards per game was down, the rate that he

311
00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,960
Speaker 2: was earning targets was down, like everything across the board.

312
00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,200
Speaker 2: That we say is how you should view players, and

313
00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,920
Speaker 2: like raw numbers can sometimes lie, but like these men,

314
00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,200
Speaker 2: like they're all down and I I'm only looking like

315
00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,400
Speaker 2: at a glance, right now. I do plan on at

316
00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,360
Speaker 2: some point in this offseason, like really diving into the

317
00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,160
Speaker 2: Chiefs offense and what went wrong and what like what

318
00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,640
Speaker 2: needs to get better in all of that. But for

319
00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,440
Speaker 2: as much as the wide receivers get the blame and

320
00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,280
Speaker 2: I get it, they deserve it. But last year they

321
00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,760
Speaker 2: won a super well with a near very similar wide

322
00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,560
Speaker 2: receiver room like no offense to Juju, he's not the

323
00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,360
Speaker 2: difference between the Chiefs this year and what the Chiefs

324
00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,080
Speaker 2: were last year. The difference is the Travis Kelce fallof

325
00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,600
Speaker 2: you were able to get by with that receiving room

326
00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,440
Speaker 2: last year because Travis Kelce was a top five wide

327
00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,000
Speaker 2: receiver just playing a different position. So this year he

328
00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,440
Speaker 2: looked a lot more like still a high end tight end,

329
00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,760
Speaker 2: but a lot more like the other high end tight ends,

330
00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,800
Speaker 2: and like Sam Laporter, can't be your number one wide

331
00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,080
Speaker 2: receiver on a championship roster, you know, like you need

332
00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,440
Speaker 2: an actual wide receiver when that is the case. So

333
00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,320
Speaker 2: I think it's a big reason why the Chiefs are struggling,

334
00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,480
Speaker 2: and Travis Kelce because of name and everything. Next year

335
00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,840
Speaker 2: is going to be one of the first tight ends drafted.

336
00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,320
Speaker 2: I will go with the much younger options in like Laporta,

337
00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,840
Speaker 2: Trey McBride and those guys, rather than use that what

338
00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,120
Speaker 2: third round pick, maybe it's gonna cost to get a

339
00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:58,880
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey.

340
00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's third round right now is where

341
00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to draft him. I do look at

342
00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,800
Speaker 1: it though, and for all the frustration we had with Kelsey,

343
00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,640
Speaker 1: he was still the tied end too. He's still even

344
00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,840
Speaker 1: at thirty five years old, even with diminished numbers, even

345
00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, looking a little bit slower than he has

346
00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,119
Speaker 1: in the past, he is still one of the elite

347
00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,119
Speaker 1: tight ends in the game. He is still working with

348
00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,919
Speaker 1: arguably the best quarterback in the game, and with one

349
00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,520
Speaker 1: of the great offensive minds. You do imagine that the

350
00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,119
Speaker 1: Chiefs are going to spend a lot of time this

351
00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,320
Speaker 1: offseason getting together the brain trust on offense and trying

352
00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,120
Speaker 1: to figure out what went wrong and trying to figure

353
00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,119
Speaker 1: out what how to make it right now. Some of

354
00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,000
Speaker 1: that is simple. Some of that's just upgrading the personnel right.

355
00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,600
Speaker 1: It's just about getting the right people in the right places,

356
00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,800
Speaker 1: making sure you have wide receivers to sort of help out.

357
00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,040
Speaker 1: I think this was the first year that you really

358
00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,119
Speaker 1: saw how much they missed tyreek Hill. You know, like

359
00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,840
Speaker 1: last year, as you mentioned, they won a Super Bowl.

360
00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:01,280
Speaker 1: They figured it out. Juju was enough, Kadarius Tony showed

361
00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,240
Speaker 1: up when they needed him to. It was enough last year.

362
00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,320
Speaker 1: But this was the first year that they really missed

363
00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,800
Speaker 1: that guy that could really tax a defense downfield. Marcus Valdez.

364
00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,680
Speaker 1: Scandling scares no one for Shee Rice. They were basically

365
00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,440
Speaker 1: using on short throws and letting him do yards after

366
00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,280
Speaker 1: the catch, and that was sort of how that was working.

367
00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,240
Speaker 1: So that, you know, Kelsey's going to be an interesting

368
00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,040
Speaker 1: test case this this offseason about how much we believe

369
00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,720
Speaker 1: in his talent and how much we believe sort of

370
00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,480
Speaker 1: in the rest of the tight end position, you know,

371
00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,800
Speaker 1: beyond you know the porta Mark Andrews when he's back

372
00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,639
Speaker 1: healthy again. You know who else are we throwing in

373
00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,639
Speaker 1: that group right now? I mean, I guess George Kittle

374
00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,840
Speaker 1: to some extent, t J. Hammond, Bride, Trey McBride is

375
00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,919
Speaker 1: there because t J. Hawkinson is very unlikely to be

376
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,480
Speaker 1: ready in the early part of the season. So you know,

377
00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,440
Speaker 1: that's something to sort of keep in mind. Kelsey's gonna

378
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,120
Speaker 1: be an interesting case, which perfectly gets us to the

379
00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,560
Speaker 1: next thing that sort of went sideways, and that was

380
00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,960
Speaker 1: the Chiefs offense as a whole. Now, we were expect

381
00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,000
Speaker 1: a lot out of this group, because I think the

382
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,480
Speaker 1: mantra all year was, hey man, it's Patrick Mahomes and

383
00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,159
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, they'll figure it out. It'll be okay. They

384
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,840
Speaker 1: were twelfth in scoring offense, which is bad for this group,

385
00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,600
Speaker 1: ninth in total yards, but they were fifth in passing offense,

386
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,600
Speaker 1: which isn't awful. So when you look at it, was

387
00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,880
Speaker 1: it actually bad or did we just have really high

388
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,840
Speaker 1: expectations both.

389
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,840
Speaker 2: I think it is we had high expectations, but we

390
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 2: had those high expectations because if any team should be

391
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,119
Speaker 2: held to the highest of expectations, it is the Kansas

392
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,160
Speaker 2: City Chiefs. They have the best quarterback in the league,

393
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,320
Speaker 2: the arguably the best tight end ever, one of the

394
00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,520
Speaker 2: best head coaches ever to Super Bowls. You know, there's

395
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,120
Speaker 2: a reason we hold them to such a high standard.

396
00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,360
Speaker 2: And they just were flat out not very good this year.

397
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,280
Speaker 2: I know, like top ten is you're like, okay, they're

398
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,440
Speaker 2: not bad, and they're in the playoffs. They won their

399
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 2: division again, But especially for fantasy, it was bad from

400
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 2: Week eight on Patrick Mahomes averaged fourteen point five Fantasy

401
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,399
Speaker 2: points per game. That is less than Sam Halle, Gino Smith,

402
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 2: Jake Browning, and Joshua Dops. The past or not was

403
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,400
Speaker 2: averaging more Fantasy points per game in the second half

404
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 2: of the season than the league MVP last year. And

405
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 2: then I know we spent a lot of time on

406
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey. He last finished as a top five tight

407
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 2: end in week twelve. He last was the tight end

408
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 2: one in Week seven. This was a player that was

409
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 2: drafted in the first round rounds ahead of any other

410
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 2: player at his position. Same thing with Mahomes, Like, it's

411
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 2: not just the okay, I took him early and he

412
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 2: finished seventh.

413
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 1: It's okay.

414
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 2: I took him early over josh Allen and over Jalen Hurts,

415
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 2: who were good for five more points per week than

416
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,919
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes. So the opportunity cost is huge. And to me,

417
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 2: if you took Mahomes in the third round, if you

418
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 2: over those other quarterbacks, if you took Kelsey in the

419
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 2: first over some of these elite wide receivers, those were

420
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,880
Speaker 2: picks that defined your season more than likely and probably

421
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 2: are the reason you didn't win a championship this year,

422
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 2: just like I know we're gonna talk potentially some more

423
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 2: disappointments later. We talked All Sineckler, like if you took

424
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 2: All Sineckler over ty Tyreek Hill with the second or

425
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,120
Speaker 2: third pick in year draft, like that was a season

426
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 2: defining move and one that could have cast to a championship.

427
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I think it really was a tale

428
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 1: of two halves with this team. Right, the first half

429
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: it was fine, and they looked for the most part fine.

430
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they had those games with drops

431
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 1: and we definitely, you know, were concerned about all that.

432
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 1: The second half it really was bad. You know, it

433
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 1: was nice to find Rashie Rice show up there and

434
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 1: and sort of establish himself as the number one wide

435
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 1: receiver in this group, but you know, as he sort

436
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 1: of ascended, then we saw less of Travis Kelce being

437
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: the game breaker in this offense. It it was not great,

438
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: And I think I think it's gonna be interesting too

439
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: next year when we look and you know, we look

440
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: at say Patrick Mahomes and his overall fantasy scoring, I mean,

441
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 1: it's not what we're used to. He's still the QB seven, right,

442
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: We're gonna look at it overall, say all right, well

443
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: he was QB seven, he had two hundred and eighty points,

444
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: I mean three week seventeen, and I think then we

445
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: start to break it down. You look at the back half,

446
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: and you mentioned the fact that Josh Dobbs was averaging

447
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: more points. You look and you see a thirteen, a thirteen,

448
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: a fifteen, a sixteen, a twelve in Championship week, when

449
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: if you somehow survived those other weeks you really needed him.

450
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 1: That's when we started to say, all right, there were issues,

451
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: cause the first half of he was nineteen, twenty one,

452
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: twenty five. There's a thirteen, followed by nineteen, then a

453
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: couple weeks la there's a thirty three. I think that

454
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: thirty three against the Chargers. I really feel like that's

455
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: when we're like, Okay, well he's back, he's figured it out.

456
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: We're gonna be fine now. And then he followed it

457
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: up with a five point game against the Broncos, and

458
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 1: I think we really started to kind of have alarm

459
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 1: bells go off there. So I think when we start

460
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: to break it down one by one, and I have

461
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: a feeling that this is going to be one of

462
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 1: the most dissected offenses across Fantasy in the offseason to

463
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: see exactly what went wrong, exactly what needs to happen.

464
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: You know, we'll kind of get to the bottom of that.

465
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: Which makes me wonder, where are you willing to draft Mahomes.

466
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: He's obviously not the QB one next year? Is he

467
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: top five? Top eight? Where are you willing to take him?

468
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 2: The latest I will take him is QB four because

469
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: I still believe so. Look, Allen and Hurts need to

470
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 2: be the top two quarterbacks off the board. I believe

471
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 2: Lamar versus Mahomes is a legit debate because in the

472
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: last four years, twice Lamar has been been better and

473
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 2: twice Mahomes has been better, and they've each had years

474
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: where they've been the best. To me, I think those

475
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 2: are the clear cut top four. Joe Burrow Justin Fields

476
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 2: also could creep into the He should be in the

477
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: top five as well because of what he does with

478
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 2: his legs. But like Burrow Herbert, they don't run enough

479
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: for me to take over Mahomes because we could easily

480
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 2: look back at Patrick Mahomes's career and be like, oh,

481
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 2: that twenty twenty three season was the clear outlier. He

482
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: was awesome every other year. They need to get more

483
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: weapons there, they need to I keep banking for them

484
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: to like sign a Mike Evans or something like that,

485
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 2: make a trade something, But I am hard pressed to

486
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 2: believe that they're gonna go into this year with a

487
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: similar room. It was easy to convince yourself last year.

488
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: But even looking at last year, like it was the

489
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: first year where he had more yards of yak than

490
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: of actual in the air passing yards, it was the

491
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: he broke the record for short yard touchdowns, and that

492
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: was one thing that coming into the year, I was like,

493
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be banking on this Chiefs offense breaking records

494
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 2: like this again, because it's not like to me, Mahomes'

495
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: strength is the fact that he is a cannon for

496
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 2: an arm and could beat you downfield. This is two

497
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 2: years in a row now we really haven't seen him

498
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: get to utilize his full strength. So I'm hoping that

499
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: they get more downfield stretchers. But even coming off of

500
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: a down year, top four, maybe fifth at the absolute latest,

501
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 2: when we're talking about.

502
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks, first off, my early flag plant this year is

503
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: that Lamar Jackson's gonna be my QB one. Okay, that's

504
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: my early flag plant. You know, like what he did

505
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: this year, the fact that he gets a full off

506
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: season with the Todd Monkin offense and it gets a

507
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: full off season with a Flowers. Hopefully he gets Mark

508
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: Andrews back. We'll see what they do if they add

509
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: any more pass catchers, whether free agency or the draft

510
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: or what have you. I think Lamar Jackson's going to

511
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: get even better passing numbers than he did this year.

512
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: So he's my He's my number one. Then you have

513
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: Allen and Hurts in some order, and yeah, at that point,

514
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I could make an argument between

515
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and a healthy Joe Burrow for that fourth spot,

516
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: but I don't think he falls out of the top five.

517
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: I guess it's kind of where I'm going with this.

518
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 2: What about Fields? If if Fields is with the Bears,

519
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: let's say, and they added like a Marvin Harrison junior

520
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: or something.

521
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: Like that, ooh, he's definitely in the conversation, so I think. So,

522
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: I guess that's gonna be interesting, right because I've got

523
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: my four, or at least my top three laid out

524
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: with Jackson, Allen and hurts in some order, and then

525
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: four through say six or seven gets a little bit

526
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: murky because you have in some order, you've got, you know,

527
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: a healthy Burrow, You've got Mahomes, You've got justin fields.

528
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: Do you discount Dak Prescott after what he did, especially

529
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: in the second half of the season. Does he somehow

530
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: factor into this conversation as well? That's gonna be a

531
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: really interesting group to try to sort out. I think

532
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: next year, my.

533
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: Early thinking is of the like Burrough, Dak Mahomes, the

534
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 2: guys who you rely more on the passing than the Russian.

535
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: If you ask me which one has the highest ods

536
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: of thrown for five thou and forty, it's Mahomes. That's

537
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: why I would take him over those passing guys.

538
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I'm I'm gonna be so curious what

539
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: the Chiefs do this offseason. Do they chase a Mike Evans,

540
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, do they chase I think if Michael Pittman

541
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: somehow gets away from Indianapolis, do they go after him?

542
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: There are a lot of good wide are there. There

543
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: are gonna be a lot of good receivers on the

544
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: free agent market this year, and the Chiefs, I think

545
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: have to be really aggressive in pursuing at least one,

546
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of these guys, and then maybe you know,

547
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: even bolstering that with something they do in the draft,

548
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: because that's gonna make all the difference in how we

549
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: look at Mahomes next year. A couple of other quick

550
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: things about the Chiefs offense was Rashid Rice's year was

551
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: it real or a mirage in twenty twenty three? I

552
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: think it's real.

553
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: I think he is a high quality NFL wide receiver.

554
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: I think he is kind of what I was hoping

555
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 2: ka Darius Tony would be someone that you could generate

556
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: touches for and just put the ball in his hands

557
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: and watch what he could do after the catch and

558
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: uh that that a lot of his production came on

559
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: yak and stuff that. The issue is, I am not

560
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: sold yet. If he is a NFL wise receiver one,

561
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: I think he can be a really good number two,

562
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: which is kind of what he was supposed to be

563
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: this year with Travis Kelce being the number one. He

564
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 2: had to step up down the stretch and there was

565
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 2: times where it was like, Okay, they're probably asking too

566
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: much out of Rashi Rice. But I do think he

567
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: can be a really, really good NFL wide receiver, a

568
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 2: really good fantasy wide receiver. I just think he would

569
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 2: be best suited with another wide receiver who could help

570
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: stretch things down the field, because then you create stuff

571
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: underneath and then Rashie Rice could just run wild with

572
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: the ball in his hands.

573
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: I have Yeah, I'm certain he is not an NFL

574
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: wide receiver one. I don't think that's really up for debate.

575
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: The one thing I would love to see from Rashie

576
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 1: Rice going forward, I need a deeper average depth of target.

577
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: So much of it was underneath and so much of

578
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: it was yards after catch, which is nice, but it

579
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: also is a hard way to live consistently. You know,

580
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: if everything is within five yards of the line of

581
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: scrimmage and then you were doing the rest on your own,

582
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: at some point that goes away or that's hard to

583
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: get weak to weak. I need him to be more

584
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: of a downfield guy, but he's proven that he can,

585
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, be a playmaker in this offense. I don't

586
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: know if you saw. I guess because he had a

587
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: deep catch out of his past week or week sixteen

588
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: where he basically was like, yeah, he's like I just

589
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: sort of freelanced it, he said. I looked at the defense,

590
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: I saw something, Patrick saw the same thing. I just

591
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: went deep and we made it work. Now, if they

592
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: can sort of get more things like that, then I'm

593
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: all in, super all in on Rashi Rice. So I'm

594
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: not gonna say it was a mirage, but I do

595
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: want a little bit more than what he gave me

596
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: in terms of getting downfield this past year. Last one

597
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: on the Chiefs Isaiah Pacheco, is he is he an

598
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: RB one? Is he a fringe RB one? Is he

599
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: a high RB two? Where do you have him next year?

600
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: I think he is a fringe RB one because the

601
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: pass game usage, and that was my big concern coming

602
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: into this year. I kept saying, like, I know this

603
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: guy can run well, I know that, but he had

604
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: fourteen targets as a rookie. He had forty nine this

605
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: past year, and that's despite only playing fourteen games. So

606
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: we could see if there's an even bigger, you know,

607
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: focus on getting him the ball. Maybe we don't see

608
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: as much Clyde Edwards Hilaire or Jeric McKinnon early in

609
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: the season like we did this year. And if that's

610
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: the case, then yeah, he could easily be an RB

611
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: one for fantasy purposes.

612
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: I think they have kind of felt comfortable giving him

613
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: more of a lead running back role, and I think

614
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: that's gonna be noteworthy if he can sort of keep that.

615
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: And look, if the Chiefs can't improve the passing game,

616
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: and you know, you don't have defenders kind of creeping

617
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: up to the line of scrimmage because everything was pretty

618
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: short for the Chiefs. They played pretty close to the

619
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. If they can stretch the field a

620
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: little bit more, I think that only helps. So I

621
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: like him more as a high end running back too.

622
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: If I could get him sort of in that range,

623
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: Say what round five is that reasonable for Pacheco?

624
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: Next year, I could see the like four, five, six,

625
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: something like that.

626
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, so if I can get in fifth round,

627
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: I think I feel good about that. Next year, we'll see.

628
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,239
Speaker 1: We'll see how that goes. We don't have some more

629
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: things that were disappointing. Plus we'll have our DFS preview

630
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: coming up in just a little bit. Taking a quick break.

631
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: You're on the NFL Fantasy Football Pod. All right, So

632
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: we talked about the disappointing first round. We talked about

633
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: the Chiefs offense. I wanted to pick out just kind

634
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: of a trio of people or groups however you wanted

635
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: to describe it. That just sort of left us a

636
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: little bit wanting this year, the first one being Tony Pollard.

637
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: There was so much conversation about him this past offseason,

638
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: the fact that Zeke was gone, Sky's a limit and

639
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: he just kind of flopped in that regard. Should we

640
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: have seen that coming?

641
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: It's hard. I was very bullish on Tony Pollard. I

642
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: will take that big l But the thing is, I've

643
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: seen people say like, oh, look, he can't handle a

644
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: starter's workload. He has forty more carries than he had

645
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: last season. It's not like it's he went from one

646
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: hundred to two hundred and fifty carries or something like that.

647
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: And to me, a big thing is the past game

648
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: numbers went down, like on a per game basis, only

649
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: ten more targets than last season, fewer receiving yards despite

650
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: having fourteen more catches than last season. I think there's

651
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: two lessons here when it comes to Tony Pollard. He

652
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: had a pretty severe injury at the end of last season,

653
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: and I think the mistake that I made and other

654
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: people who trusted Tony Pollard was thinking that he was

655
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: just naturally going to get back to what he was

656
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: pre injury. I think it's a good reminder that when

657
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: players are coming off severe injuries, there are heightened risk.

658
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: I also think it's a good reminder that when offensive

659
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: changes are made and they have a completely new play

660
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: caller they lost Kellen Moore. That also, I think led

661
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: to a lot of changes. We're seeing the Cowboys pass

662
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: a lot more and a lot more downfield and stuff,

663
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: which I thought was gonna be the opposite with Mike McCarthy,

664
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: but and for the first like six weeks it was.

665
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: And then after their bye week they realized, hey, let's

666
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: throw the ball downfield, and their offense caught fire. So

667
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: it's just gonna give me more pause next season when

668
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: there's a lot of changes being made to certain teams.

669
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: And I think it's something I tried to do this

670
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: year was target players on good offenses that not a

671
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: whole lot had changed, And it is something that I'm

672
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: definitely going to emphasize next year. In the early rounds,

673
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: I think you want to mitigate as much unknown as possible.

674
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: I think we all got sort of taken in by

675
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy telling us how much they're gonna run the ball.

676
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna run the ball a lot we're gonna get

677
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: We're getting a whole lot of touches for Tony Polly

678
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: and we all sort of bought into that, and that

679
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: was certainly not the case. And then, as you mentioned,

680
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: they got to the second half of the season and

681
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: they looked up and they realized that, hey man, we

682
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: got this dude ceedee lamb, and he's really good, and

683
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: maybe we should try to focus on getting him the

684
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: football as much as possible, and they did, and that

685
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: sort of although I think in a way that sort

686
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: of helped take some of the pressure off Tony Pollard

687
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: because I think that, combined with, as you mentioned, him

688
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: getting a little bit healthier, we saw him be a

689
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: little bit more productive in the second half of the season.

690
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: But I think all the factors you mentioned are very

691
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: much in play. You had a guy who was coming

692
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: off an injury, You had a coaching staff that was

693
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: sort of changing its philosophy and how it does things.

694
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: I think those are all things that take into effect.

695
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: I admit I was one of those people who originally

696
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: was like well, you know, can he still be as

697
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: effective when he is the focal point of the running

698
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: game when he is getting all those touches or was

699
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: he a guy who thrived in a situation where there

700
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: was another guy that sort of take some of that

701
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: pressure off of him. Could he be the same. But

702
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: I started to come around. I mean, when Ezekiel Elliott

703
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: left and signed in New England and you heard a

704
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: lot of talk about how much they wanted to run

705
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: the ball, I started to come around and believe that, Okay,

706
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: maybe Pollard can be that guy. I think next year

707
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: I would be surprised, Mike if they give him a

708
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: true workhorse role. I think they go out and they

709
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: find somebody, whether it's you know, whether it's signing somebody,

710
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: drafting somebody, or just elevating somebody that's already on the

711
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: roster and giving them a bigger opportunity. Next year, you know,

712
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: maybe it's more recal doubtle, Maybe Deuce Vaughan starts to

713
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: get more opportunities. I don't think we're going to see

714
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard get you know, he's at two hundred and

715
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: eighty eight touches right now. I don't think he gets

716
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: close to that number next year, I think you're looking

717
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: at him maybe down around too fifty, you know, something

718
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: like that, and they start kind of spreading that around

719
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: just to fewer touches, hopefully higher efficiency and making him

720
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: more productive that way. But I do think he will

721
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: be drafted accordingly too. I don't think the hypes gonna

722
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: be as great for him. In Jacksonville, we were excited

723
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: about the Jaguars offense. I know you and I said,

724
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, the one caveat was that there were a

725
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 1: lot of wide receiver mouths to feed. But we still

726
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: were in on Calvin Ridley. We were very much in

727
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: on Trevor Lawrence. Both of those guys sort of let

728
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: us down this year. Are you willing to buy back

729
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: in or are you tempering expectations for next year? Both?

730
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: I think, because I do not think we're gonna see

731
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: either one of these two pulled up like up the

732
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: board like they were this year. And I was a

733
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 2: huge factor in that, for I guess the little influence

734
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: that we have with what everyone does in fantasy. Trevor

735
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: Lawrence was someone that I thought was a top eight

736
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: fantasy quarterback and I thought he would take that next step.

737
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: I thought he'd be a potential MVP candidate this year.

738
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: It just and I know he's dealt with every injury

739
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: under the sun, but he also just didn't take that

740
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: next step. Calvin Ridley. It's a big season of what

741
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: ifs for Calvin Ridley because every week has been a

742
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: game of like, what if he caught this amazing touchdown catch?

743
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: Is he gonna come down with it or not? But

744
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 2: I thought he'd be a wide receiver one, and the

745
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: fact that we saw trends were like, he's better when

746
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: day Jones is out there. To me, that's not a

747
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 2: wide receiver, a real life wide receiver.

748
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: One.

749
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: The fact that Christian Kirk was still taking as much

750
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: volume and for a large portion of the season was

751
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: their go to guy. To me, Calvin Ridley is better

752
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 2: suited as like a wide receiver.

753
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: Two.

754
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe he falls to wide receiver three. I think

755
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: he'll go as a wide receiver two. Boom or bust.

756
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,479
Speaker 2: You know that when taking him as a wide receiver one,

757
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: was hoping for the ceiling and we didn't get it.

758
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: So I'll be in on them next year if the

759
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: price is reduced from what it was this year.

760
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: I think I think the price is going to be reduced.

761
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: I don't see any way around that. Now. The question is, though,

762
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: does that price flip flop with Christian Kirk, because last

763
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: season it was, you know, we all pointed and laughed

764
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: because the Jaguars gave him this big contract like that,

765
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: it's Christian Kirk, and then he went out any ball.

766
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, okay. And then this year Calvin Ridley

767
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: comes back and we're like, well, hey, man, if Calvin

768
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: Ridley is like what we saw the last time he

769
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: was on the field, he's the wide receiver one and

770
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk got bumped down and he's still balled out

771
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: and was the better of the receivers until he got hurt.

772
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: Next year, are we willing to flip that thinking and

773
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: say that, hey, Christian Kirk is the wide receiver one,

774
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: He's the guy that needs to go first. Or do

775
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: we fall back into the old trap. No.

776
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: I think Christian Kirk is the wide receiver one here,

777
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 2: the one who needs He is the far more safe option.

778
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: I could see it being a situation Marcus, where like

779
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: at the end of the year they finished pretty close

780
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: to each other in points, but Christian Kirk is going

781
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: to be like the steady one week to week, and

782
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley's going to be like the up and down,

783
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: better and best ball type of wide receiver because I

784
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: had him on a number of rosters, I know a

785
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: lot of people out there did, and he was too

786
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 2: good where you couldn't sit him. He's like good Gabe

787
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 2: Davis in a sense, we're like too good to sit.

788
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: But some weeks you're gonna be getting six points and

789
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: other weeks are going to be getting twenty six points

790
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: and you just kind of got to go with him

791
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: each week. So I do think Kirk should be first.

792
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: I don't think either one of them, though, should be

793
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: wide receiver ones for fantasy. I think they are both

794
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 2: better suited as wide receiver twos.

795
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: I think, well, I think Christian Kirk is a high

796
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: end wide receiver two at this point. Kevin Ridley is

797
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: maybe a low wide receiver too, maybe even a wide

798
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: receiver three, just because the consistency hasn't been there, and

799
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing that's sort of holding him back.

800
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: And I think with Trevor Lawrence where at a point where, yeah,

801
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: he did have some injuries this year. It's been such

802
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: a weird career for him right, because his rookie year

803
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: was almost a red shirt year because it was the

804
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer year, which is such an unmitigated disaster in

805
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: Jacksonville that it's hard to put anything that happened on

806
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: him because it was just such a bad year. This year,

807
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: he was beat up a little bit. But I think

808
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: now I think we've all sort of said it on

809
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: the fact that he's maybe not gonna be that generational

810
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: quarterback that he was touted to be coming out of Clemson.

811
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: Not that he's bad. He's going to be a good,

812
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: serviceable quarterback, but that's going to be it'll be a

813
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: good quarterback. I don't know that he's going to be

814
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: a great quarterback, and I think you're going to see

815
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: him sort of fall. I don't know he'll be QB,

816
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, eleven twelve sort of somebody that I mean,

817
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: he's Trevor Lawrence will be the guy that you draft,

818
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: but you'll also draft another quarterback because you're not going

819
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: to count on him on a weekly basis for your

820
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: fantasy roster.

821
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 2: Look early, early, flag plant, flag plant, Give me Anthony

822
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: Richardson over Trevor Lawrence.

823
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: Next percent, he's going to give you more rushing upside,

824
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: and we're still waiting to see what he can be

825
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: as a passer. And I think that what could be

826
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: is going to be enough to get us excited about

827
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: him next year. For sure. Last one, DeVante Adams, it

828
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: was not a great year. In my head, I was like, hey,

829
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: does this mean he's not quarterback proof? And then I

830
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: thought about it and like, he's never played with terrible quarterbacks.

831
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he had Aaron Rodgers for most of his career.

832
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: Then he had one year of playing with like his

833
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: good buddy Derek Carr, like they knew each other well,

834
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: like they worked well together. This year was the first

835
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: year he really didn't have good true quarterback play. Assuming

836
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 1: nothing major happens this offseason, is he still a top

837
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: ten wide receiver? Very fringe?

838
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: I think if you were asking me to rank like

839
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: the top ten wide receivers in real life purposes next season, yeah,

840
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: he's easily a top ten talent. But he's gonna be

841
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: thirty one years old. Well, he just turned thirty one.

842
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: Like last week. He finished in total points as the

843
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: wide receiver eleven this year. I think that's getting overlooked

844
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: in the grand scheme of things. We saw a lot

845
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: of high end DeVante games still where he gave you

846
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: like twenty eight thirty Fantasy points. The issue is the

847
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: floor was lower than it ever has been, Like he

848
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: was always one. There was a season a couple of

849
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: years ago where I think he scored fifteen or more

850
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: points every single week. This week, like he had a

851
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: game a couple of weeks ago where he had listened

852
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: to two Fantasy points. And coming into the year, I

853
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: actually did write an article saying, like, I have concerns

854
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: for Devonte for the first time in his career because

855
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: he's a downfield like one of the best downfield weapons

856
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: in the league and he's playing with it was Jimmy

857
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: g But then the backup they all rely on Yak.

858
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: He's not really a Yack guy. So to me, the

859
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: answer really depends on who is the quarterback for the

860
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: Raiders next year, because if they bring in someone like

861
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew or someone like that, I could see DeVante

862
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 2: Adams falling out of the top ten. But if they

863
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, let's say they got like a Jameis Winston.

864
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: Sign me up for that and I will be all

865
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 2: over taking DeVante Adams as a top ten wide receiver.

866
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: Still, Yeah, I just the quarterback is such a big

867
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: deal and who they go get. I mean I'm scrolling,

868
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: you know, people with their different opinions, and you know,

869
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: do they I can't imagine they stay with Aidan O'Connell

870
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: because he's not the answer for them long term. You know,

871
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna be out of the running because they

872
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: draft so late. They're not gonna be able to get

873
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: a Caleb Williams or a Drake May. Maybe a Michael

874
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: Pinnox is there, but you're right, the quarterback situation is

875
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: going to have a lot to do with it. I

876
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: still think he's a guy that gets drafted in the

877
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: top twelve, but I think it's closer to twelve than

878
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: it has been in the past because the talent is

879
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: still there and he still did have some of those

880
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: big games. They just weren't as consistent as we were

881
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: used to seeing. So anyway, if those are some of

882
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: the disappointments we had, I'm sure there are plenty more.

883
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: We probably could have done a couple hours on them,

884
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: but that's just sadness that I don't really want to,

885
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: you know, inflict upon anybody for a couple of hours.

886
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: Week eighteen though still happening across the NFL. People still playing,

887
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: whether it's DFS, whether it's the other forms of sweating

888
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: things out there. I say sports betting. We're gonna get

889
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: blacklisted all because I just said that out loud.

890
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: Check your email.

891
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: I know, right. If I'm not here next week, you

892
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: guys know what happened. But anyway, Week eighteen is happening.

893
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: We figured we'd do a little DFS preview for you.

894
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: First question, though, Week eighteen lineups always a little bit dicey.

895
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: You know, we know there are a number of starting

896
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: quarterbacks not playing. Lamar Jackson, Brock Purdy, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Flacco,

897
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford all confirmed to be resting. We may learn

898
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: more names as we get closer to Saturday and Sunday.

899
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: How do you approach to putting the other lineups for

900
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: these Week eighteen games?

901
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 2: I think you avoid all of those teams that you said,

902
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: because the quarterbacks, and like I know, the Shanahan's has said, well,

903
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: Brock is the only player I'm one hundred percent not

904
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 2: playing at all this but that could mean Deebo Samuel

905
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 2: plays a drive and then we don't see him again.

906
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: I you kitdle all of those guys. So to me,

907
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: I think, look, maybe if you're playing in like a

908
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: big tournament and you want to differentiate and you take

909
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: a shot on one of these guys, But I think

910
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 2: the play is to play it safe and just avoid

911
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: those teams. Like Puka Nikua. I know he's going for history.

912
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: He needs four catches to set the rookie record in

913
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: something like thirty yards. What if he gets four for

914
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: thirty in the first quarter and then they pull him

915
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: like that is in the range of outcomes.

916
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's I think that's in the

917
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: range of outcomes. I'm with you. Like the the top

918
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: line guys on teams that have nothing to gain, those

919
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: are the guys you avoid. Right, The Ravens and the

920
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 1: Niners have the one seed locked up. The Rams can't

921
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: really move up or down regardless of what they do.

922
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: I feel like the same for you know, the Chiefs

923
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: or the Browns. So the frontline guys on those teams

924
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,479
Speaker 1: I think you stay away from. I would also say

925
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: for some of these teams, maybe you avoid the late

926
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: games because there are some teams playing early, are some

927
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: teams playing late. I should say that you know, depending

928
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: on what happens in the morning could impact what they

929
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: do in the afternoon. That's always something to sort of

930
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: be aware of. You mentioned the Puka Nakua thing. I

931
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: think you know, I know there's been a lot of

932
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: talk on social media about guys chasing incentives. That's a

933
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: dicey game to play, just because if a guy hits it,

934
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, like what, Puka gets his four catches,

935
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: his thirty yards and then it's see you later, and

936
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: you know then what, So that's a dicey, dicey game

937
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: to play when you're talking about setting a line up

938
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: this week, one of those to give you some best

939
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: value picks, we each have three, so I'll let you

940
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,959
Speaker 1: go three to one your best value picks for Daily

941
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: Fantasy this week.

942
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: I'll admit I think I misunderstood the assignment I gave

943
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: my three. One of them is a good value, two

944
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: of them are not values, but I think are great

945
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: plays this week. Number three is Josh Allen. I know

946
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: he is the most expensive quarterback at eighty three hundred

947
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: on DraftKings. He is also one of the few elite

948
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: quarterbacks that has a whole lot to like it could

949
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: be and you all know this already. It could be

950
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: a win and you're the two seed, lose.

951
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:33,479
Speaker 1: And you're out.

952
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: Kind of game for Josh Allen, So he is going

953
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: to play the whole game. There is a huge incentive

954
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 2: behind him to play well, and we know he can

955
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: always run and stuff. Similar is why Rashad White was

956
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 2: number two for me at seventy six hundred, because great

957
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: matchup against the Carolina Panthers. They allow a bunch of yards, touchdowns,

958
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: all of that two running backs, plus the Bucks need

959
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: to win this game to win the division, so he

960
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: is going to be out there getting his full allotment

961
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 2: of snaps and work and all of that. And then

962
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: the one that you could say is actually a value

963
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: here is Darius Slayton at four thousand for the New

964
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: York Giants. Look at his last two games with Tyrod Taylor.

965
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: Against the Eagles on Christmas Day, three catches, ninety yards

966
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: and a touchdown doesn't sound like a whole lot. It

967
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: wasn't a whole lot when it was Tommy Cutlets, but

968
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 2: when Tyron came in, he caught that sixty nine yard touchdown.

969
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: And then last week six targets, four catches, one hundred

970
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: and six yards and a touchdown eighty yard touchdown, So

971
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 2: the big plays are there for Slayton. With Tyrod Taylor,

972
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: the Eagles have really struggled in the secondary, especially downfield,

973
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: so I think Darius Slayton is a really good play

974
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 2: in Week eighteen.

975
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: All right, I'll get behind those for me. I got

976
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: Tucker Kraft at thirty seven hundred. He really has picked

977
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: it up since Luke Musgrave went on injured. Reserve. Got

978
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: a good matchup against the Bears the Packers. It's not

979
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: exactly win and they're in. They could lose and still,

980
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: you know, some other things happen, they could still get in,

981
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: but winning for sure cements them is in the playoffs,

982
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: and the Bears have struggled against tight ends. Their defense

983
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: has gotten better overall, still struggled against tight ends, and

984
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: having crafted thirty seven hundred gives you some flexibility in

985
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: other places. Brandon Cooks, Now, I will say this, I

986
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: think Cede Lamb is totally worth paying up for against

987
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: the Commanders because the Cowboys do have something to play for.

988
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: They can still win the division and possibly get a

989
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: two seed here, so they really have a reason to

990
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: go all out. Brandon Cooks, though, in case you don't

991
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: want to pay up for Cede Lamb. I think is

992
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: a very good value at fifty two hundred, and then

993
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: maybe my top value of the week James Connor. He

994
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: had sixty one hundred dollars, but that's not the top

995
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: that's not close to being the highest salaried running back

996
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: on the board. He's been on absolute heaters, putting up

997
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: good numbers against good run defenses. This week he gets

998
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: a bad run defense in the Seattle Seahawks. I think

999
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: I looked it up since Week eight. I believe it

1000
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: is maybe more recent thanatics. It's like we twelve, the

1001
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: Seahawks have given up like a thousand rushing yards and

1002
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: twelve touchdowns. I mean they have been just getting hammered

1003
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: on the ground. So James Connor doing well against bad

1004
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: against good defenses. I think Truck's a bad defense. And

1005
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: I feel like the Cardinals, they want to finish strong.

1006
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 1: They've had a good end of the season. I imagine

1007
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna see a lot of their starters for a

1008
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: while because I think they just want to end the

1009
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: season on a positive note as much as possible. So

1010
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: I think Connor is a fairly safe option for you there.

1011
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: We're also both together full lineups, so if you would

1012
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: like to run through your full lineup, please do.

1013
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: All my values are in mind. Josh Allen at quarterback

1014
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 2: Rashad White. I got DeAndre Swift because he had a

1015
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: great game against the Giants just a couple of weeks ago,

1016
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: and the Eagles have something to play for, just like

1017
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 2: you were saying with the Cowboys.

1018
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: I have Darius.

1019
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 2: Slayton in there, Nico Collins because the Texans have a

1020
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 2: whole they go still win that division. They need to

1021
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: win to even just make the to win an in

1022
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: game for them, so I think they are going to

1023
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: have a lot of incentive there. And then I got

1024
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: Khalil Shakir for cheap, and Dalton Kincaid is my tight end,

1025
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: kind of going with a Bill Stack there, and then

1026
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 2: Jordan Mason because we know no CMC this week and

1027
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: the Rams are sitting a bunch of players defensively. And

1028
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: then I have the Chargers defense because they are cheap

1029
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 2: and they are playing backups because the Chiefs we know

1030
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: are going to be sitting.

1031
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes all right, So for me, I went Dak

1032
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: Prescott at quarterback. Again, I think the Cowboys have a

1033
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: lot to play for. I expect to see Dak for

1034
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: a good chunk of that game. I did take James

1035
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: Connor as one of my values. Zeke is my other

1036
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: running back. I think you know the Patriots Jets. It's

1037
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: sort of because the schedule makers said so, but I

1038
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: do think Zeke's gonna get some work fifty nine hundred.

1039
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: I was willing to take the risk. I did pay

1040
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: up for CD Lambs, pair him with Dak Prescott against

1041
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: the Commanders this week. A so Calvin Ridley, I know

1042
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: we just had a whole long conversation about him, but

1043
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: the Jaguars need to win. I think he gets heavily

1044
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: targeted against that Tennessee secondary. So I was willing to

1045
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: take the risk on Calvin Ridley this week. Tucker Kraft

1046
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: has my tie. It end my third wide receiver. I

1047
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: went with Ronnie Bell. You took Jordan Mason for the Niners.

1048
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: I took Ronnie Bell because I don't expect we're gonna

1049
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: see a ton of Brandon Ayuk or Deebo samuelin this one.

1050
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: We saw Ronnie Bell last week catch a touchdown or

1051
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,959
Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago catch a touchdown in that game

1052
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: against the Ravens when Exworter got out of hand. I

1053
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: think he's a guy who gives a lot of run

1054
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: and him and Sam Donald seem to work well together.

1055
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: Mintionin Tucker Kraft a tight end, Wandale Robinson. I'm using

1056
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: as the flex against that Philly secondary which still has issues,

1057
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: and even with Tyrod there at quarterback, I think they

1058
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: can exploit that. And I'm gonna go with the Lions

1059
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: defense going against whomever the Vikings quarterback may be. I

1060
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: assume it's going to be Nick Mullens this week. Actually,

1061
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: I think they announce already it's Nick Mullens. So I

1062
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: will take the Lions defense to get some picks and

1063
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: sacks on Nick Mullens thirty one hundred. That rounded it

1064
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: out with no dollars left. So there you go. Those

1065
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: are our daily Fantasy lins for Week eighteen. Best of

1066
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: luck to you if you are playing the DFS slate.

1067
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: I guess best of luck because I know other people

1068
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: out there still playing season long leagues, right, I mean

1069
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be. It's not I don't recommend it, but

1070
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: if that's what you do, I'm not gonna kink shame.

1071
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: So you know you do you I've gotten you know,

1072
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: I've gotten several questions. I'm sure you have gotten several questions.

1073
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking at one right now asking if I would

1074
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: pick up and play Tyler Huntley or Carson Wentz. I'm

1075
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: weirdly leaning toward Carson Wentz. I don't know if that's

1076
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: crazy or not. But this is why.

1077
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not gonna shame you, like Marcus said, but

1078
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: this is just why you do not like I.

1079
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: Just want I don't want that to have to figure

1080
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: out Tyson. You know, Tyler Huntley or Carson Wentz. I

1081
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: just don't. But good luck to all of you who

1082
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: are out there playing. And again, congratulations to those of

1083
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: you who may have already won a fantasy championship. But

1084
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: that will do it for this edition of the NFL

1085
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Podcast. They happy, safe and healthy, do good

1086
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: and live well. Enjoy Week eighteen and everybody, and we

1087
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: will talk to you again next week. M mhm