1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: me Tommy Di Dario today's guest. Oh man, oh Man. 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: I couldn't be more excited about this because he has 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: always been one of my all time favorite artists. Rob 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: Thomas is a singer, songwriter and multi instrumentalists who rose 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: to fame as the co founder and lead singer of 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: Matchbox twenty three Am, Push, Unwell, if You're Gone Yeah. 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: Those are just some of the many songs I have 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: listened to thousands of times now. The band bursts onto 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 1: the scene in the mid nineties and has remained as 11 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: one of the most beloved multi generational bands in the world, 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: captivating new audiences year after year. Rob continues to toggle 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: between being a Grammy nominated solo star and frontman for 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: the multi platinum rock band, so it's no surprise that 15 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: he has racked up countless honors and awards because of 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: his incredibly important contributions to music, and just as passionate 17 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: as he is about music, he is equally as passionate 18 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: about philanthropy. He's basically an all around kick ass human being. 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: So today we are getting into the holiday spirit and 20 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: diving into his Christmas album, which in my opinion, is 21 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: one of the best Christmas albums to ever exist. We 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: will dive into some career and life reflections and try 23 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: to learn some new things about a man who has 24 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: been in the spotlight for decades. So let's see if 25 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: today we can get robbed to say something that he's 26 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: never said before. Rob Thomas, how are you, my friend? 27 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: How's it going? Man? 28 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: It is going fantastic. I am so excited to be 29 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: interviewing you today. I am such a fan of your work. 30 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: I grew up with your music. I've listened to it 31 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: throughout my whole life. You've been there for some pivotal 32 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: moments throughout my life. Well, actually, I imagine you must 33 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: get that a lot too. A lot of people come 34 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: up to you and say, Yo, man, you literally or 35 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: the soundtrack to my adolescence, to my growing up? Do 36 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: you get that? 37 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, I think it's one of the like 38 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: the real joys of having the fortune to of longevity, right, 39 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 2: Like you don't really like when you're a kid and 40 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 2: you think about making it whatever that means. In the 41 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: music business, you have all of these preconceived ideas of 42 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: what you think they're going to be, But really you 43 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: don't think about the idea of the longevity and the 44 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 2: idea of like watching these people get older with me, 45 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 2: watching them start to bring their kids. I've watched their 46 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: kids grow up, and their kids are bringing their kids. 47 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: That's kind of as a beautiful gift that I never 48 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: really thought was going to be a part of it. 49 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: You obviously have a collection of iconic songs with match 50 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: Box twenty, you have amazing solo work. But something that 51 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: I think is really cool and I was personally surprised by, 52 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: is when you came out with a Christmas album, and man, 53 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: it is one of the best holiday Christmas albums I 54 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: have ever heard. For a variety of reasons that we're 55 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 1: going to get into in an honor of the festive months, 56 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: we're going to talk all about that. But how did 57 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: this even come to be? How does Rob Thomas say, 58 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to some holiday music. 59 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: I think every year at Christmas, my wife and I 60 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: there's a certain time where we were sitting in the 61 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: living room where we have the piano, and we're putting 62 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: up a tree, and she's putting some lights on her 63 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: decorating and I'm fiddling around with Christmas music, and there's 64 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: always a time where she goes, you need to make 65 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: a Christmas album. We need to make a Christmas album. 66 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: And the thing about that is you have to make 67 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: a Christmas album like in the summer. So by the 68 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: time the summer rolls around, you either I'm already working 69 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: on a matchbox or a solo record, or we're on tour. 70 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: And so it never really seemed fitting. And I think 71 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: that was just one of those things that like, I 72 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: think like a lot of people had a lot of 73 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: these creative baby that were born out of the pandemic, 74 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: and I think that was one of those ideas. I 75 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: was home for the summer and so I just turned 76 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: my entire summer to make it all about Christmas. Like 77 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: I took my studio and I put it all on 78 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: Christmas lights. Luckily, Hallmark Channel was already played like Christmas 79 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: in July, so I didn't have to really make any changes. 80 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: I could just put it on Hallmark and it was 81 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: Christmas everywhere, and I just lived Christmas throughout the summer. 82 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: And it's always something I think I wanted to do 83 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: and just never found the time to do it. 84 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you, it's very hard to write 85 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: good original holiday music. I'm sure you've heard many songs 86 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: out there that you know they're cute at their boppy 87 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: or whatever. But to really create good, beautifully written, amazing 88 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: holiday music is hard. It's no easy feat and you, 89 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: my friend, have done that. So what was that songwriting 90 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: process like for you? And was that different than how 91 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: you write your other music? 92 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: I think thanks for that, by the way, that's amazing. 93 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: I think it's really that my goal first off was 94 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: just to write really good songs and not just good 95 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: holiday songs. I think the only difference when you're working 96 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: on a holiday record is on regular songs, there's a 97 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: perimeter of like schmaltz that you can't go past. But 98 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 2: I think in Christmas music you have a little more leeway. 99 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 2: You can get a little more sentimental, you can get 100 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: a little more smolt s, you can get a little 101 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: more you know. But I look back, like my wife 102 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: and I ever listen met this yesterday. We had a 103 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: long ride and we had the holiday playlist shuffling, and 104 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: so some of my songs would pop up in there, 105 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: and like we were surprised. Like, looking back, there's a 106 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: lot of kind of depressing holiday stuff on there, and 107 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean that the best way because it's 108 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 2: you know, the holidays are a rush of emotions of 109 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: all different kinds everything about it. It makes you feel sad, 110 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: it makes you feel happy, and it makes you want 111 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: to call out old friends that you haven't seen in 112 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 2: a long time, and it makes you look at memories 113 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: in a different way. And so a lot of these 114 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: songs were kind of covering all of that. These were 115 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 2: about like, I want to you with my family for Christmas, 116 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 2: I want to be home for Christmas. And these were 117 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: about you know, regrets and things that you know that 118 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: the holiday makes you think about and kind of taking 119 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: stock of that for the new year. 120 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: Was that hard for you to tap into or did 121 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: that just come to you very easily and naturally. 122 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I'm a giant open wound. And so 123 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: that's kind of like that's like that's my wheelhouse, man, 124 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: That's right, That's where I go home like a raw 125 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: nerve that I just keep going, Hey, what's that do? 126 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: What's that do? 127 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: Right? Right? 128 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 2: Well? 129 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: Hey, it made some great music, and there's so much 130 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: on the album that I love. But a New York 131 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: Christmas for me is such a beautiful and powerful song. 132 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: And you just performed that at Rockefeller Center the relighting, 133 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: of course, and I was watching that and I saw 134 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: you got really emotional, man, you got really choked up. 135 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: What was going through your mind when you were performing that. 136 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a weird year. It's been a weird 137 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: couple of years, you know. And when I think about 138 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: you know that the original version of that, I re 139 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: recorded it, thanks to my wife for that, but I 140 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 2: re recorded it for this album with the kind of 141 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: a new spin on it. But the original version I 142 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: recorded right after nine to eleven and I played it 143 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 2: for the first time. Actually before I recorded it, I 144 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 2: was every year I would do a show at black 145 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: the Old Children's Hospital, and right after nine to eleven, 146 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: it was a strange Christmas, and it was very close 147 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: to September. We were all still just starting to kind 148 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: of come out of our shelves here in New York, 149 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 2: and I wanted to come into that performance with a 150 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: little something to say that I kind of understood the 151 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: gravity of the moment that we were all in and 152 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: why this wasn't just a normal Christmas. And so I 153 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 2: wrote New York Christmas a couple nights before I was 154 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: set to perform, and I went in and I played 155 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 2: it there for the first time, and then a couple 156 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: months later I went and recorded it. And so this 157 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: was kind of born out of another strange time. And 158 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: I think that there was a time the other night 159 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 2: where I was performing and I'm sitting there, I'm just 160 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: looking out over this city that I love so much 161 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: and thinking about just how much unity there is in it, 162 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, how many helping hands, how 163 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: many people that are there that want to do good 164 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: in the middle of all this craziness, And I kind 165 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: of felt like there was It was just we were 166 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: at another time of uncertainty and another time, you know, 167 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: where you just kind of felt like you needed someone 168 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: to spread their love even more than normal. And that song, 169 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: I think it just kind of hit me. Sometimes. I 170 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: think a lot of people ask what my favorite songs are, 171 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: and they usually go with there's certain songs that just 172 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: on certain nights hit me and it kind of put me 173 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: back in the place I was when I wrote them. 174 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: And then for that night, that's my favorite song. And 175 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: so that night at They're chew letting, that was my 176 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: favorite song. 177 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: Are you a pretty emotional guy? Or do you allow 178 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: yourself to be more emotional through your songwriting, through your performing. 179 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: I'm certainly emotional. In fact, it's almost like you know, 180 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: I don't know if you know, Like X Men, there's 181 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: the one character where if he if he takes off 182 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: his glasses, it just goes everywhere, so he has to 183 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: keep them on so he doesn't kill everybody with this. 184 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: Like I think my emotions just are that always there, 185 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: and then songs in a way help me kind of 186 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: rein it in and kind of like I don't know, 187 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: like why am I so anxious right now? Why do 188 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,559 Speaker 2: I feel weird right now? Like why am I upset? 189 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: Why am I sad? And I'll sit down and a 190 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: melody will start like taking me down a path that'll 191 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: start leading me to a lyric that'll start leading me 192 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 2: to a narrative that will start telling me, like informing 193 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: me more of what my emotions are. And so that's 194 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: why a lot of times the songs are less plotted 195 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: out and more just kind of like when I feel 196 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: an emotion, I want to sit down, I want to 197 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 2: kind and chart it out and see what it feels 198 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: like in song. And there's a lot of that in 199 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: the Christmas record as well, but other than have yourself 200 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 2: a marry little Christmas, I didn't want to do a 201 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: lot of traditional covers. So you know, the Brian Adams 202 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: song was one that I grew up with. BB Whining's 203 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: doing the Ray Charles song with me, Like, that's just 204 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 2: an amazing moment for me because that's one of my 205 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: favorite songs of all time. So again it was the 206 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: Christmas record was about that too, you know, it was 207 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: about just kind of discovering all those little pieces of 208 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: me in the holidays. 209 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: That's so cool. I like that you allow yourself to 210 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: go there, and I think that's a huge part of 211 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: your success. I mean, there's a million reasons why you're 212 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: so successful, but I think people listen to you and 213 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: they feel what you're feeling, they feel what you're saying. 214 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily gravitate towards artists where there's no emotion, 215 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: and with you, there always seems to be emotion. I 216 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: think that's a pretty damn cool thing. How would you 217 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: say that when you look at your collective body of work, 218 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: let's say, and you see your Christmas album, you see 219 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: your Matchbox twenty songs, you see your solo stuff. Is 220 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: there a common thread or do you kind of create 221 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: different vibes per category of work. 222 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: As far as the writing process, I think there's something 223 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 2: about if I'm going through something this particular to me, 224 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: the job as a writer is to really write how 225 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: that thing that you're going through makes you feel necessarily 226 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: that specific thing, Like if I'm having a fight with 227 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 2: my wife, you don't need to know aboutout the fight 228 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: that I'm having with my wife, but you're probably going 229 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: through something that makes you feel the way I'm feeling 230 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: in that moment, and so if you write a song 231 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: about the feeling, it becomes more universal and more shared. 232 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: I think. So when you're writing, you just you write 233 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: all the time. Like for me, it's it's just a 234 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: thing I'm constantly writing. And then you say, okay, well 235 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: it's time for a Matchbox record or it's time for 236 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: a solo record, and I just kind of go, okay, 237 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 2: well this is what I've got right now, this is 238 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 2: my life up to now. In song, this is what 239 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: I'm working on. If it's Matchbox, they pick the songs 240 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: that they like, and you know, as a band, being 241 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: a band, they dictate the sound of that Like that 242 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: becomes you know a song that if I had done 243 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 2: it solo with my group of musicians, it might have 244 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: sounded completely different the exact same song. But because match 245 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: Box is very much just a band in every sense 246 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 2: of the word, that's gonna be what the personality is. 247 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: So I don't really have to think that hard about it. 248 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: I just have to try and write the best songs 249 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 2: I can, and then they'll find their place. I mean, 250 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 2: I've got more. I write sure two and a half 251 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: easy albums to get one album that I like. And 252 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: so there's all these songs just kind of sitting out there, 253 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: and then some of them you come back to I 254 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: strip them for parts, I like to say in the 255 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 2: scrap yard, you know, like I'll just be like, oh, 256 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: I'm missing this great melody, and like, oh, I remember 257 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 2: I wrote this chorus for the song I didn't use. 258 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 2: Let me grab that and put different lyrics to it. 259 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: And so it's just kind of like the it's literally 260 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 2: like a workshop, you know, say that old guys workshop, 261 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: and you're working on a car and you've just got 262 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: pieces all around. You're like, wait a minute, I think 263 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: I've got a fucking I got a carburetor for this song. 264 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: Hold on, I can get it, you know, and make 265 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: it work. 266 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: I imagine for someone like you, it's very hard to 267 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: narrow down the choices that end up on the final album, 268 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: right because you do write so much. That process must 269 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: be my numbing, because you must love all of the 270 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: work you create, right. 271 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think what happens is, so let's 272 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: say if I'm just starting out and I'm like, Okay, 273 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: I know I'm writing a record because I love this song, 274 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 2: and then I might write two or three more songs, 275 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: and then the fourth song I write, all of a sudden, 276 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: I like it so much that it set the bar 277 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: higher than these other songs. And now I'm like, oh, 278 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 2: now I gotta write songs that are of this caliber now. 279 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: And so I keep trying to figure out, like where 280 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: I'm at, keep trying to see if I can kind 281 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: of beat where I'm at and make that makes me 282 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: feel like when I go through it, there's never one, 283 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 2: cause you know, if you look back over thirty years, 284 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: there's a lot of times where I look back on 285 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 2: a record, and especially those records that you kind of 286 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: had quick turnaround on. You went in, you made them 287 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: really quick, you had a deadline, and you look back 288 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: a couple years later and you're just like, ah, I 289 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: wouldn't have put that song on there. You know, it 290 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: doesn't like I was trying something that I don't think worked. 291 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: Like with Matchbox, we always joke around like we had 292 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: a song called put Your Hands Up, and we had 293 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: a song called like Sugar, And they're horrible songs. I mean, 294 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: when you go back and listen to them, I think, 295 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: arguably really bad songs. But I knew what I was 296 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 2: trying to do at the time. I just think I 297 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: failed at it. So now I think I like to 298 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: try and give myself as much time as I can 299 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: so that I have little of those moments as possible. 300 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: You strike me as someone who finds inspiration quite often 301 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: and maybe at all sorts of different times during the 302 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: day and night. Do you remember what one of the 303 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: oddest moments of inspiration was in your life? What were 304 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: you doing something and it struck like has there been 305 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: a really funny moment for you where you just had 306 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,359 Speaker 1: to kind of get something out? 307 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, there's a lot of times 308 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 2: where I wake up in the middle of the night. 309 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard this from a lot of people 310 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: that write any kind of writing, you know, there's a 311 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: there's just a part of your brain that turns off, 312 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: and that usually as you're getting tired or just about 313 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 2: to fall asleep, that's the part of the brain that 314 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: sometimes blocks creativity. So then if you get into this 315 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: kind of like right on that edge, this idea comes 316 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: to you and sometimes you'll just literally dream a song. 317 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: I've woke up. I've woke up with a song in 318 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: my head that I know. I dreamed that I was 319 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: playing it for someone. My wife and I've gotten into 320 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: a giant fight and like left each other, like went 321 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: to our corners, shut down, you know, mad at each other. 322 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: And then I would come back at like two in 323 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: the morning and wake her up and be like, listen, 324 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: you got to hear this. I just wrote about about 325 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: the fight we just had. That's happened more than one time. 326 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: How does she respond to that? 327 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: I think now she I mean, now she wakes up 328 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: and I remember one time I wrote this song called 329 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 2: Recollection Phoenix, and we were leaving Phoenix and I got 330 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: into this big fight with her. We were on the bus, 331 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: and this is still at the time when we were 332 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: all sharing a bus. So she was in a bunk 333 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: and I came over and woke her up and played 334 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 2: her this song and she was just kind of looking 335 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: at me with her tired eyes. And when she was done, 336 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: she goes, that should be a Willy Nelson song, and 337 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: then she just closed the curtain and uh, like five 338 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 2: years later Willie covered it and it became he and 339 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: he wound up doing the song. So she's got a 340 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: good ear. 341 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: Amazing. I think that's really special. Also, it sounds like 342 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: you have a great support system and always have in her. 343 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: And I think for any artist, no matter what side 344 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: of it you're you're in, it makes a big difference, right. 345 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think also you've got to have 346 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: someone who's honest with you, because I know when she 347 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: tells me if something is not very good, then if 348 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: she tells me something's good, I know I believe it, 349 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: you know, So there's no sugarcoating. We've been together for 350 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: twenty five years, so we kind of sometimes I know 351 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: at this point, just as I'm playing it for her, 352 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, this isn't working. And they say 353 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: that's true about a lot of writ Like for any writer, 354 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 2: if you really want to know how you feel about 355 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: a song you just wrote, Play it for anybody, Just 356 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: go into a room and play it for somebody. And 357 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: there's something about vicariously through that moment you're going to 358 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: know if it's working or not. There's just like all 359 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: of a sudden, like when you're out of that vacuum 360 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 2: and you put it out into the world, you're just like, yeah, 361 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: I feel it now, this isn't happening like this. I 362 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: gotta go. 363 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: Back back to your Christmas album. A lot of people 364 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: choose to do all covers and that's fine, and they're 365 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: awesome and we all love them, you know, But for you, 366 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: it was really important to write a lot of your 367 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: own originals about half the album. Like you said, what 368 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: made that decision a must in your mind? 369 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: Well, I think first off, I'm like, I don't consider 370 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: myself a performer. I'm a writer and I perform the 371 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: songs that I write, you know, Like I always say, like, 372 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: if this stops working out for me, like you're not 373 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: going to find me on Dancing with the Stars. This 374 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: is my thing, Like no events to Jason, I don't know, 375 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: but it sounds like as Jason's my buddy, and I 376 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: know he just is famously right now. Just crushed it 377 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: and did a really great job on that. But it's 378 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: like I don't have any other thing except for writing, 379 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: And so I had two things. I was going in 380 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: with this idea that I was going to do an 381 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: all originals Christmas album, and Atlantic Records didn't love the 382 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: idea of being tasked with trying to put out a 383 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: holiday record full of songs that nobody's heard before. So 384 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: then I was going to do a record that was 385 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: going to be half originals and half just eighties Christmas 386 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: stuff that I grew up with. And they still kind 387 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: of felt the same way. They're still like, well, I 388 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: still think if you don't give us at least one 389 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: traditional song that we you know, so that's why I 390 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: have yourself. A Merry Little Christmas was on there, because 391 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: it was like it was a you know, Atlantic Records 392 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: were like, we need one, we need one traditional Christmas song. 393 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 2: And then it to me like Brian Adams singing something 394 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: about Christmas time at my age that is a giant hit, 395 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: Like that was a huge song, Like I love that song. 396 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 2: There's like three or four songs that never made it 397 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: that I'm kind of bummed about. And so maybe in 398 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: the future I'll be able to release those as like 399 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: a like a little mini Christmas EP or something. 400 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: I don't know well, or maybe you need a whole 401 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: full length second Christmas album. I'm just saying, yeah, maybe 402 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: I'll just. 403 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: Do Christmas albums from now on. Maybe I'll just do 404 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: holiday albums. I got, I got my big Thanksgiving release 405 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: coming up. It's gonna be awesome. 406 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: Oh man, nice, can't wait for that one. What I 407 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: think is so cool about you is you're very much 408 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: a multi generational artist, right like people like me. I'm'm millennial. 409 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: I grew up with you. I've known you since I 410 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: was a teenager. But there's whole new generations of people 411 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: who are discovering you through collaborations you've done over the years, 412 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: most recently through Barbie, where you were in the hottest 413 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: movie of the year. Man, like you literally are featured 414 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: in the hottest number one movie of the entire year. 415 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: How did that even happen? By the way, I. 416 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 2: Mean, that was just I think, you know why, because 417 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 2: Greta Gerwig is of a certain age, and she, you 418 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 2: know it, said that when she was going like in 419 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: high school and school, like she loved push that was 420 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 2: one of the songs that she loved, so I just 421 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: got it. It was you know, you get these things. 422 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 2: They just come in email forms and it says Greta 423 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 2: Gerwig making a movie, Margot, Robbie, Ryan Gosling, it's Barbie 424 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: and they want to use Push and it's Kin's favorite 425 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 2: song and he sings it on a beach and that's 426 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: like the only thing you find out. And so knowing 427 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: Barbie and knowing Greta Gerwig and knowing Push, I knew 428 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 2: that there was gonna be a tongue in cheek aspect 429 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: to it. I wasn't sure if it was going to 430 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 2: be a full on just kind of making fun of Push, 431 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 2: or if it was going to be what it turned 432 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 2: out to be, I think, which is in context, you know, 433 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 2: I think there was a lot of this kind of 434 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 2: angst and sometimes manufactured anks that came with nineties music, 435 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 2: and I kind of feel like, you know, that kind 436 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: of manufactured anks and not knowing what to do with it, 437 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 2: so you just go ah ha ha. That was kind 438 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 2: of like where Ken was in the movie, and it 439 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 2: kind of felt like that was the only way he 440 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 2: could express himself, you know, was through an angsty nineties 441 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 2: song and the end of the day, I was happy 442 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: with the way that they came out. And I think 443 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: just to see Ryan Goslin's beautiful face sing my song 444 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 2: coming out of his mouth, that's just worth the whole thing. 445 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: Oh it's so great. And like I said, it went 446 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: back soaring on the charts. A whole new generation of 447 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: people were downloading that song, which is so cool. I 448 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: was so excited to see you pop up in that movie, 449 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: but I feel like you're popping up everywhere. I just 450 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: saw you pop up in an Aviation Jing commercial with 451 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: Ryan Reynolds. I mean, how did these things keep happening 452 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: with pop culture and you? It's amazing. 453 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: I think it's just this is my year of Canadian 454 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 2: Ryan's I mean, I think that's just you know, that's 455 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 2: just what's going on, Like the universe is sending them 456 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 2: to me. 457 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 458 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: No, I mean those things are really cool. Like I 459 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: don't I try to be. When we were coming up 460 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 2: in the nineties, you know, there was a lot of 461 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: movie offers and commercial offers and things like that, and 462 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 2: it was a different time and you you turned down 463 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 2: everything like that was just kind of like it wasn't cool. 464 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 2: You didn't want to be in a movie, and you 465 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 2: didn't want to be in commercials, and you know, now 466 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: it's come so far in another direction that like, now 467 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: I see, you know, a car commercial with a friend 468 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: of mine with a song, and it I'm like, oh, 469 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: why didn't I get that? I want to do that commercial, 470 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: you know, because now you just you want to find 471 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 2: more ways for people to kind of experience your music. 472 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 2: And so sometimes you know that straight through vicariously, through 473 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 2: Ryan Goslin, through you know, through a giant movie like 474 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 2: Barbie are Sometimes it's me personally putting my face in 475 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 2: front of some people that probably wouldn't have gotten to 476 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: see it, and then hoping they'll come back over to 477 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: the music, you know, but eventually at all you hope 478 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: that it ties back, because I think one of the 479 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: things I never want to be is a celebrity, like 480 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: I work really, really hard since I was a kid, 481 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 2: to be a famous musician, which to me is are 482 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: two completely separate worlds. 483 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's so interesting because to me, you're 484 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: easily one of the most recognizable musicians in the world, 485 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: and I would argue almost everybody knows a song of yours, 486 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: Yet you have found a way to straddle that line 487 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: of being private and putting out an enough but not 488 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: everything so that you don't become this caricature of who 489 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: you are. So I take it that's always been important 490 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: for you. 491 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I love love. You know, 492 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 2: I've a't had times where I sit on a plane 493 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 2: with someone and we strike up a conversation and we're 494 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 2: talking for a few hours and then it comes around 495 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: to what I do, and they find out what I do, 496 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 2: and then I'm in and it turns out that they 497 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 2: know like a million of my songs, they just didn't 498 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: recognize me. And I'm like, oh, that's good. I mean that, 499 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 2: you know, to have famous songs that are more famous 500 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: than you as a person. I always thought that was 501 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: kind of a goal, you know, you want music that 502 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: was going to be around because I'm not. You know, 503 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: eventually I'm not going to be around. Eventually, I'm not 504 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 2: going to be able to shake my ass on stage. 505 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: I got to look about it. My knees have another 506 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: two years of me being able to jump off the piano, 507 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 2: and then that's out the window. And then I'm on 508 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 2: my sitting on the stool days. So you know, hopefully 509 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 2: the music stays young forever. 510 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: Though, oh will. And that's why you're so brilliant at 511 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: what you do. You're in it for the right reasons, 512 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: and through everything you just said, that's what makes you 513 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: such a grounded artist who keeps finding success and who 514 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: keeps having the reinventions, if you will, and reaching different 515 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: demos and generations of people because you do do it 516 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: for the right reason. And I always say you can 517 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: smell a fake, and you, my man, certainly are not. 518 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: You're really nice. Tell me I kind of feel like 519 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 2: you don't. There's there's so little things that you kind 520 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: of have control over, right, and how people are going 521 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: to perceive things and how successful things are going to be. Like, 522 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 2: all you really have control over is your motive and 523 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 2: your intention and your purpose, everything that you put into something, 524 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 2: and then you just hope for the best thing that's 525 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 2: gonna kind of come out of that. I've been really 526 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 2: fortunate that we have a group of fans that, you know, 527 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: starting almost thirty years ago, Like if you took three 528 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: am As when you know one of our first record songs, 529 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: and then you listen to Bent, and then you listen 530 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: to Ease, and then you listen to me and lonely 531 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: no more like these sound like different artists and different bands. 532 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: And I've been really fortunate to have these fans that 533 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: are generous enough for their time and their ears to like, 534 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: let us go a little bit this way and a 535 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 2: little bit this way, and not kind of. They never 536 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: pigeonholed us or me having to do one thing, and 537 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,479 Speaker 2: so I think it was that generosity from them that 538 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 2: really was the gift that allowed me to not, I think, 539 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 2: not just have longevity, but to have longevity and be 540 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: able to explore and feel creative while I was doing 541 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: it and not feel like, well, let me put on 542 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: the push suit, you know, and go back out and 543 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: write a matchbox song. 544 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: You know, when you think back on that amazing career 545 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: since you started on day one to now, what is 546 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: something that you're the most proud of that you look 547 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: back at and you're like, man, yeah, I did that. 548 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: I'm proud of me. 549 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: I mean it's I don't know if it's if it's 550 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: too far reaching, but I mean one thing is is 551 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: just the longevity, Like to still be here is another 552 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 2: version of success. It's you know, more than when we 553 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 2: first started. You want to sell a million records or 554 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 2: you want to. You know, I think that I've I've 555 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 2: managed to really stay connected in a really real way 556 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 2: with the person that started this journey inside of me, 557 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: and to try and stay really thankful all the time 558 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 2: about everything that's come for me. And so like, you know, 559 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: there's times where my wife will get frustrated and be like, 560 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: I don't think you're appreciated enough, you know, and I'll 561 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 2: be like, I think I'm really you know, I'm really grateful. 562 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 2: A lot of people seem to like it, you know, 563 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 2: and just enough people. I have a good career, I 564 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 2: do well, I get to go play music, you know, 565 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: and it's it's everywhere I go people are kind of 566 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 2: nice to me, you know, like this, this is fine, 567 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 2: this is what should be. So I think just I'm 568 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 2: staying grounded, you know, And I think not taking the 569 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 2: idea of success and taking it out of context that 570 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 2: it means anything else when you're not in the world 571 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 2: of playing music, Like I never understand the idea that 572 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: like if I'm really good at something, or if I'm 573 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 2: just successful at something, that somehow everybody else needs to 574 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: disrespect every other part of everything about me, you know, 575 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 2: Like you know, we'll screw you. I've got a number 576 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 2: one record, Well yeah, somebody else had it last week, 577 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: and somebody else will have one next week. And you 578 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 2: know you're just lucky enough to kind of visit this 579 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 2: spot for a second. No, you don't own it. You 580 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: don't own success. 581 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: And without gratitude, I feel like you're eventually going to 582 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: be doomed for failure. And I think it's always important 583 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: to be gracious. And you see the people who have 584 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: not maintained that, and I think again, that's one of 585 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: the secrets to why you've had such a vibrant and 586 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: long career. Is there anything that you haven't done yet 587 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: that's still on your list or any person you want 588 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: to collaborate with? I mean, is there anything left for 589 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: Rob Thomas or does he feel like I kind of 590 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: hit everything I want and I'm just going to keep creating. 591 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 2: No, I mean, listen, superficially, I would love to see 592 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 2: Maxbox twenty win a Grammy. You know that's never happened. 593 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 2: I would love to see Maxbox twenty play SNL. We 594 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 2: never did SNL apparently, though we found out it was 595 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 2: for years. It was because our manager pissed off somebody 596 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 2: and they were like and we were banned. Oh. I 597 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: mean like, there's so many talented people out there, you know. 598 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: Like I was just talking with Brian Fallon from the 599 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: Gaslight Anthem, you know, like I love that band. I 600 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: would love to do something with someone like a Miley Cyrus, 601 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,479 Speaker 2: who I just think is amazing. I mean, there's a 602 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 2: million things then I'm sure are right around the corner 603 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: tomorrow or the next day or the next day, you know, 604 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 2: an opportunity. You never know when that email is going 605 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 2: to come through. They'd be like, Hey, so and so 606 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 2: wants to write with you, so and so wants to 607 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 2: work with you. I'm just kind of open to all 608 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 2: the possibilities. 609 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: And that's the way to be, man. That's what I 610 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: love about our industries, anything creative. It's you don't know 611 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: what each day will bring, and that's what's so fun. 612 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: And if you put in the work and you maintain 613 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: a sense of gratitude and keep your head down and 614 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: just do the job and a fulfilling way, anything can happen. Man, 615 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: you and Miley, that would be sick. 616 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,239 Speaker 2: That'd be awesome, right, come on, mill It's funny too 617 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: because we like her drummer is Matchbox twenties drummer. Her 618 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: backup singer is my backup singer and my solo band 619 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: we have some oh and her guitar player was Matchbox 620 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: twenty is like our backup guy. That was kind of 621 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 2: like the stand in the wings guy in case somebody 622 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 2: gets sick. Like, we've got half her band already, so 623 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: all she has to do is come on over and 624 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 2: we're ready for her. 625 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: You know what, I'm going to help you campaign. I'm 626 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: going to release this clip online when the episode drops, 627 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: and we're going to campaign. Baby, Let's do. 628 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 2: It, Miley make music with me, Puppy dies. You know, 629 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 2: it's something that that I learned I think over the 630 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 2: last maybe ten years or the eight years, and you know, 631 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 2: Ish was giving my life space outside of my career. 632 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: For the longest time. I was so grateful that I 633 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 2: if these opportunities came, I I couldn't say no to them, 634 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: you know, like I felt like I can't let this 635 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 2: thing go by, or that that's a moment passing by. 636 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: And then I've realized that sometimes that's the jeopardy of 637 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: your actual life. You know, there's less time that you 638 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 2: spend with your family, less time that you spend with 639 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 2: your friends, and so you prioritize this better. And so 640 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 2: as you know, and with Matchbox, as we've gotten older, 641 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 2: our relationship is so much better because we've started just 642 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: being honest about like right up front, Oh that doesn't 643 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: work for me, and everybody goes, oh, okay, well I'm 644 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 2: kind of bummed out, but I'm glad you told me. 645 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 2: Let's move on, as opposed to in the past making 646 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 2: promises you can't keep, or doing something that you knew 647 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 2: you didn't want to do, and then you're kind of 648 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 2: miserable about it through the whole process. I think as 649 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 2: you get older, learning to say no to something is 650 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: also pretty okay. 651 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 1: Oh, I couldn't agree more. And I also think as 652 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: an artist, you have to live a real life to 653 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: create the best work you can ultimately create. So if 654 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: you're not a real person, what are you talking about? 655 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: What are you singing about? What are you writing about? 656 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: Right right? 657 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you become one of those guys that just writes 658 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 2: songs about being famous. 659 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: Oh. I don't know about you, but I don't want 660 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:20,959 Speaker 1: to listen to that. 661 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 2: I'm sure. I'm sure Kanye had won. 662 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so right on, man, listen. The name of 663 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: the show is I've never said this before, and the 664 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: title is about having us all share something, whether it's deep, 665 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: whether it's silly, that we've never really said before. Is 666 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,239 Speaker 1: there anything that comes to mind as open as you are, 667 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: because I know you've been very open throughout your career, 668 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: but is there anything you've never said before? 669 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 2: It's funny with the title. I was thinking about this, 670 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 2: I realized that as thankful as I am, and how 671 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: easy it is for me to show gratitude for things 672 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: that have happened to me, for things when people are 673 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: when people do nice things for me, I cannot say 674 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 2: thank you, just simply say thank you when a compliment 675 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 2: comes my way. I think there's a sense of like, 676 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: maybe you know, I'm a child of an alcoholic, so 677 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 2: you have this need to please that's always inside of you, 678 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 2: this need, you know, which you know, applause is good, 679 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: love that, But like a one on one situation with 680 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: someone who has just genuinely says something nice, I fumble 681 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 2: and I will immediately make a weird you know, like 682 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 2: if somebody is like, wow, you know, you look really 683 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: good today, I'll be like, oh, I'm dead inside, you know, 684 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 2: Or if somebody you know, like, you know that, man, 685 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: I love that song. I'm just like, oh, on a hack, 686 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: you know, and you immediately just kind of like I 687 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 2: kind of clam up and I have I don't. I've 688 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: not never said thank you, but I've never been able 689 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 2: to say it in that kind of a situation. Wow. 690 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: That's so interesting. 691 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,479 Speaker 2: Wow, thanks, because I feel the fear they're like if 692 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: somebody comes up to me and says like that was great, 693 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: and I go, oh, thanks. What I'm saying is you're right, 694 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: I'm fucking great. And then and I don't want you know, 695 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 2: and I don't want that to come across. I want 696 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: people to understand that, you know, it's relative. All this 697 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: stuff is relative, and all that kind of goes to 698 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: my head. So I just kind of go oh, and 699 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: I just clam up and I can't. I just can't 700 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 2: do it. And this is something that I'm working with 701 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 2: my Like my therapist sometimes will just will just drop 702 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: me on that one. I'd be like, oh, that's nice, 703 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 2: and she goes, no, what do you say? What do 704 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: you say? I'm like, thank you? She's like, right, just 705 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: say thank you. 706 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: I get it though, man, I'm I'm I come from 707 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: that same mentality, I get very uncomfortable and I don't 708 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: like it. So it's and when you think about it's silly. 709 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, someone's paying you a compliment. You should 710 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: just say thank you and take it. But yeah, it's 711 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: it's a funny thing. How uncomfortable that can make someone 712 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: like you. But then you can get up in an 713 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: arena and perform in front of tens of thousands of people. 714 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say twenty thousand people, you know, 715 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 2: hands in the air, clapping. That's fine, I think because 716 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 2: it's nebulous, you know, there's like it's kind of that. 717 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 2: It's easy for me to not have to single out, 718 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: you know, like I can. I can be a completely different, 719 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 2: more electrified version of myself in front of twenty thousand people. 720 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,239 Speaker 2: But if it's me and three people, I am like 721 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: a shoegazine hermit, you know, and like retreating inside of myself. 722 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: Definitely, I totally get that. I get that so much, 723 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: Rob before I let you go, And I know this 724 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: is going to be like picking a favorite child or puppy. 725 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: But for all of those listening right now, and maybe 726 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: for people who are going to be new fans of you, 727 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: what would you say is one Matchbox song, one Rob 728 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: solo song, and one Christmas song. Everybody should turn this 729 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: off and go listen to right now. 730 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: Okay, these people who've never heard anything, never heard anything, say, okay, 731 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 2: Matchbox twenty start with bright Lights. You don't like bright Lights, 732 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 2: you probably won't like Matchbox twenty. Me listen to a 733 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 2: song called the Great Unknown, probably because if I don't 734 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 2: tell you too, even if you know me, you might 735 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 2: not go listen to it. And Christmas. On my Christmas record, 736 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 2: there is a song called I Believe in Santa Claus. 737 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 2: These are both covers. There's a song called I Believe 738 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 2: in Santa Claus that I do with Abby Anderson that 739 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 2: came out very very sad and sweet. And then there's 740 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 2: a song called the Spirit of Christmas that I do 741 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: with BB Whinings, who's one of my dear friends, the 742 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 2: great gospel legend BB Whinings, and it's it's just something 743 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: I'm very very proud of, and for some reason him 744 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 2: and I sing really well together. You wouldn't expect it, 745 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 2: but it works out great. And that's our second Christmas 746 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 2: song together. By the way, B. B. Winings and I 747 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: did a song of his called My Christmas Prayer that's 748 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 2: out there as well. 749 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: All right, you heard the man, guys, go download all 750 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: of it, listen to it, enjoy it. Rob, Well, no, 751 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: go do it. I'm saying, go do it. You're saying, don't. 752 00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: Come on. Do we need to work on this in 753 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: the next session. Go listen to it. Rob. 754 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 2: It's fine, it's fine, I get it. It's fine. 755 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: Oh my god, the share. Go listen to it now. Rob. 756 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't have enjoyed this more. I could talk to 757 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: you forever. Like I said, you've You've always been a 758 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: musical hero of mine. I think your work is so 759 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: great and I'm so pumped that people are still discovering 760 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: you guys in new ways as you continue to branch 761 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: out and do more and more. And I just I 762 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: really am proud of you, even though I don't know you. 763 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: It sounds crazy, but I am. I'm like, I'm cheering 764 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: you on from afar. 765 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 2: Man. That is super super nice of you, brother. Thank 766 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 2: you for reaching out, by the way. That was very 767 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 2: cool of you to do so. 768 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. 769 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 2: It was really glad to get that message. 770 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: Oh it was my pleasure. 771 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: Man. 772 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: Looking forward to staying in touch and keep rocking out, 773 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: all right, have a great. 774 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: Holiday season, all right, man, you too, I'll see you 775 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 2: out there. 776 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: I've Never Said This Before is hosted by Me, Tommy Diderio. 777 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Publici at iHeartRadio 778 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: and by me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. 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