1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. I'm Doug glib and you have downloaded, 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: subscribed and hopefully you'll rate the All Ball Podcast. Do 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: you like this stuff or even some uh discussions about 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: football other live interviews, live radio show. You can check 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: me out every day three o'clock Eastern time, twelve o'clock Pacific. 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: We're on Hunters stations nationwide. You got a Fox sport 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: Trader dot com. We're also on Serious Sex or the 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app. Check us out. Of course, the 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: All Ball Podcast is fun. Uh. This week we have 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: two interesting guests that are different than any other guests 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: that we've we've had. One is Nick Graham. Nick played 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: at Washington State for his dad, Paul's long time uh 13 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: long time assistant coach in college and a head coach 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: in college as well. Um and uh. He's now the 15 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: head coach. His dad's the head coach at Dallas Skyline, 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: but was head coach at at Wazoom with my assistant coach. 17 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: When we're at at Oklahoma State. Nick was just a 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: kid at the time, but was like all of our 19 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: little brother Now he's kind of a workout gurgu. He 20 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: was the developmental coach as a g A for Iowa 21 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: State most recently. And I want to get his kind 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: of perspective on if you're a parent, how to raise 23 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: an athletic son. Uh, if you're a workout guy, how 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: long you should be going. UM, A lot of different 25 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: stuff to get to. Also, Uh, Michael Haddocks Jr. Is 26 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: going to join us. His dad was a pro football player. 27 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: He was a BASKETBA player at Sienna. But an interesting 28 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: path after playing for Sienna into the world of first 29 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: Wall Street and now UM helping the finances of athletes. 30 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: UM in a in a unique way, advising athletes how 31 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: to make them kind of connectors with others in the 32 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: real real world so that they can manage their own 33 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: financial portfolio without getting shaken down. It's it's a it's 34 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: an interesting discussion. I can't wait for you to hear it. 35 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: Let me get to some of the news of the day, 36 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: some of the things that I have seen. UM, I'm 37 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: gonna start in college basketball because now I'm gonna start 38 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: in the NBA because we're coming off of the NBA 39 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: trade deadline. And here's something which you have not heard, 40 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: and I did both on pod and on radio, tell 41 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: you this was going to happen over the end of 42 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: last season. There's a healthy discussion by some people's estimation 43 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: over whether or not they should do away with the 44 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: Eastern and Western conference playoffs that because now you can 45 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: get anywhere with you know, a charter plane. The idea 46 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: of East West when the West is so utterly and 47 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: thoroughly dominant, is kind of a joke. What we should 48 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: have is seeded one through sixteen. Now, at the time, 49 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: there was a couple of things that the reality of sport, 50 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: the reality of the business is it it shouldn't and likely, 51 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: very very likely won't be done. The first thing is this, 52 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: you are going to do away with the historic rival race, right, 53 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: historic rivalries, and the historic rivalries are such where in 54 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: the Lakers Celtics NBA Finals. That's going to help build 55 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: a number that allows us to yearn for days of yesteryear. 56 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: And just because Calves Warriors doesn't feel all that sexy, 57 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: you still want East versus West. It's the best way 58 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: to engage more of the country. Otherwise you run the 59 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: risk um Otherwise, Otherwise you run the risk of what 60 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: college football has, which is a regional sport, and you 61 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: don't want that. You don't want Clemson versus Alabama to 62 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: schools that are divided by a four or five hour drive. 63 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: Like you, you don't want that. That's not good for business. 64 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: You need as much of the country engaged as possible. 65 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: And I think that's the first thing, the history and 66 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: the overall national engagement. The second part is it makes 67 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: it really hard. As much as ratings will suffer when 68 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: when the East was down, think about think about the 69 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: Eastern market, right, I mean, if you have the Celtics 70 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: going on the road to take on the Portland Trailblazers Boston, 71 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: which is a vital market and has a a great 72 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: fan base in terms of TV viewership with the Celtics, 73 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay up till ten o'clock and watched that thing. 74 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: There's no chance you have. You have to protect those 75 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: home markets and allow them to watch games at a 76 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: reasonable hour. Mountain time zone is hard enough. And the 77 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: last thing is this water find this level. When we 78 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: were kids, or at least when I was a kid, 79 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: the East was better. It was just better top to bottom. 80 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: Then the then the West is and then there was 81 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: a There's been periods of times in the nineties when 82 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: the West was far better than the East, and I 83 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: know that the East has had. Part of it is, 84 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: you know, the Celtics were bad and the Knicks have 85 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: seemingly been bad forever, and when those year two and 86 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: the Sixers were bad for long time, so when your 87 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: three signature and the Bulls have been bad. But even 88 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: when the Bulls had remember the Bulls had a number 89 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: one seed one year, didn't they um? And then the 90 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: and down to Miami and that did that didn't work 91 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 1: out so well. For the fact though, is the Eastern 92 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: Conference now the Celtics, And I guess part of it 93 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: is you have to say, if Gordon Hayward was who 94 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: he thought he could be but is not yet, the 95 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: Celtics should still be considered an elite team. The Bucks 96 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: have proven to be an elite team and seemed to 97 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: have gotten better with Nicola Meritis um and honestly, getting 98 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: ready to Bartie Parker, I thought, I think helped them, 99 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: you know, I really think it helped them, helped them defensively, 100 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: and now they have a stretch four in Nicolamritich to 101 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: go along with the stretch five and Brook Lopez, who 102 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: would have thought he's a stretched five three years ago, 103 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: didn't shoot threes. Now, that's all he does. I think 104 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: the seventies six years got better. At least their starters 105 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: got better. I don't know about their chemistry, which has 106 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: been off, or their bench, which is not nearly as good. 107 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: They shed it to get those big four and the 108 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: Toronto Raptors got. The Toronto Raptors are substantially better than 109 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: last year. If you take out Valentinis, you put in Marcresol, 110 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: who's a better player, Marcusol. If you take out um 111 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: To Marta Rosen and you bring in Leonard, who's a 112 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: better player Kawhile Leonard, Like, the Raptors have been good, 113 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: and they added a former Defensive Player of the Year 114 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: and an NBA Finals m v P like that's a 115 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: as are pretty good additions. And so now when you 116 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: look at it, are the Warriors still the favorites, Yes, 117 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: but their ages there there. They have age problems in 118 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: their bench, and they gotta figure out if we're gonna 119 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: play big down the stretch or small. If we play small, 120 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: that means we're gonna sit DeMarcus Cousins. And so even 121 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: if you take out if you take out the Warriors, though, 122 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: tell me somebody in the West, who's far and away 123 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: better or even marginally better than those top of those 124 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: other four teams in the East. And the whole idea 125 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: of we don't need we don't need a division. We 126 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: don't need East and West. We should have one. It 127 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: will never happen because of TV, because of how hard 128 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: is to follow your team and they're playing three hours 129 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: away time zone wise, and two if you thought it 130 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: was because the West was dominant, just take a breath. 131 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: Now the East appears to have better teams at the top, 132 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: at least in their top four. Let me get you 133 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: to college basketball. You know, I've I've I've heard people 134 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: say Mike frances said that Zion Williamson's game doesn't transfer 135 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: to the NBA now. Umlike anybody else, I'm cautious about 136 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: pounds and the pounding of a hundred games, a hundred games, workouts, practices, 137 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: what that will mean to his hips, his knees, his back. 138 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: It's a lot of weight. And as they tell you, 139 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,239 Speaker 1: it's not the going up that wears down your body. 140 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: It's the coming down. Every time you land, every time 141 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: we got to dunk, that's when he comes down. But 142 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: what changed in the NBA is that This is a 143 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, Derrick Williams came out. Derrick Williams 144 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: was playing at Arizona and he was playing the five. 145 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: They moved him. Essentially the center remembers Derrick Williams and 146 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: and Momo Jones, And they only got Derrick Williams and 147 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: Momo Jones because Tim Floyd's staff got fired. Tim floyd 148 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: staff got blown up because of the O. J. Mayo investigation. 149 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: So they get Derrick Williams and they play Derrick Williams 150 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: during his last year at Arizona at the five. So 151 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: he's being guarded by college centers and he's shooting an 152 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: unreal percentage from three, and he was drafted by Minnesota 153 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: to be a two three. And if you go back 154 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: and look at my old draft rundown when I was 155 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: at ESPN, you'll notice that I wasn't a buyer new 156 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: Derrick Williams because I didn't think he could shift down 157 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: a position. Fast forward to now, and Derrick Williams could 158 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: be a stretch forward in the NBA. I still don't 159 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: think he would fit in because he wasn't much of 160 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: a reboundary, doesn't move that well athletically. But that's essentially 161 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: what he is Zion Williamson ten years ago would be 162 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: too small to play power forward or small ball center 163 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: in the NBA. Now I kind of think he's perfect. Yeah, 164 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: he's gonna shoot the ball better, but he plays hard. Um, 165 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: he can make a shot. He competes on the boards, 166 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: competes defensively and if you've watched him move loudly when 167 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: he's playing hard. He can guard five positions. So did 168 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: he fit Does he fit the nineties mold of the NBA? No, 169 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: but this is in the ES, this is two and 170 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: he's perfect for the league. Does that mean will be 171 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: a superstar? No? I don't. I don't know, but I'm 172 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: willing and excited to find out what he becomes. All 173 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: Our first guest is Mike Haddocks Jr. Um. He was 174 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: a very good player at Sienna. His dad played in 175 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: the National Football League. And what he's doing now I 176 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: think will intrigue you because it's about not just financial 177 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: literacy for athletes, but also about UH being a connector 178 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: meeting people how to the real way to survive and 179 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: succeed in business. And he's had an unbelievable life end. 180 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: It's not han't been living very long. Myke Havocks Junior was, 181 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: like I said, star player at Sienna. UM tried to 182 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: play pro football after college and then went into the 183 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: business sector, went to Columbia for his master's degree. And 184 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: you'll you'll be fascinated to hear the rest. I want 185 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: to welcome to my cadoxs Jr. Who was an helm 186 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: of player at Sienna and now doing something which I 187 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: think is uh not only important and um and and 188 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: interesting at the same time, but I think it's it's 189 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: fascinating and how he's learned from his his own father's 190 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: career and trying to help others not make some of 191 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: the stay mistakes as dad made, and trying to help athletes, 192 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: uh put their financial house in order. But but I look. 193 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: I first became aware of my Cados joints us now 194 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: in the All Ball podcast. I don't know if you 195 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: know this, UM, I had no idea, Like I grew 196 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: up in something California, and I felt like I knew 197 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: a ton about college basketball. I had never heard of Sienna, 198 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: the capital district, the passion for basketball there until I 199 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: was recruited by Marquette. Marquette's coach was named Mike Dean 200 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: uh Dino had come from from Sienna to Marquette, and 201 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: he showed me old videos of one of his point guards. 202 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: And that's how I became like I had no idea 203 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: about seeing about anything. And then, of course you fast 204 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: forward when Frane McCaffrey was the head coach there. He 205 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: had recruited me to Notre Dame, and now he's the 206 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: head coach obviously at Iowa, and I was already kind 207 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: of a fan of the program, already kind of knew 208 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: about it. Um, you grew up your dad was a 209 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: pro football player, and a good one. Um, but your 210 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: body type feels like you could have played in the 211 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: NFL as a left tackle, like four years when when 212 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: you came out of high school? Why Sienna? Um, So 213 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: it's funny. So you grew up in in in California 214 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: and didn't hear much about Seanna. I didn't know much 215 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: about Pianna. And I grew up in South Jersey, right 216 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: out of of Philly, So I grew up watching college basketball, 217 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: and I remember kind of being like, all right, maybe 218 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: I go to u c l A. May I go 219 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: to Duke, And then you know, I'm a sixth big center. 220 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: So I changed a bit. Um. But you know, I 221 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: had a guy recruited me by the name of Steve 222 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: Seymour and he was at Drexel. And then another guy 223 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: by name of Rob Jackson was at Seton hall Um 224 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: when I was a sophomore in high school, played at 225 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: santagus In Press in South Jersey, and and then you know, 226 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: they ended up at Sienna and they'd reached back out. 227 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: You know, my junior year, I don't know anything about it. 228 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, you know, cool up state New York. 229 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: And I first thought it was New York City or 230 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: right outside of it. Um, And then he started to 231 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: kind of do some research and there was Um. There 232 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: was a guy that I that I looked up to 233 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: when I was younger that played at Santy Gustin also 234 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: who was really probably the best player I've ever seen 235 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: the six nine. You know, guy could handle the ball. 236 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: He end up going to see it and I was like, okay, 237 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: let me check it out. And then my teammate, who 238 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: was a point guarden to playing the Princeton Um, I'm 239 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: the name of Scott Greeman. He was Scott's an assistant American. 240 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: I know him really really well. Ahead Yeah, Scott's my guys. 241 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: So we played high school together. He was like, you 242 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: should check out Sienna. Man, they're obsessed with basketball. And 243 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I will take a look. 244 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: Get up in a get in the car. We dropped 245 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: five hours and they playing like this beautiful twenty thousand seed, 246 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: a ringing, a righting downtown Albany. And it was like, 247 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: you know, we go to a game and there's you know, 248 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of news cameras outside of the game. So 249 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, this is like it's like a 250 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: pro team in the Capitol region and they won. Know 251 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: my my senior high school, they went to the tournament. 252 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, cool, give it a shot. At 253 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: The head coach at the time was the guy Rob 254 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 1: Lanier who's at Tennessee now, who's a great recruiter. And 255 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: I was like, cool, this is this is home. I 256 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: got there. I started playing right away. I played. I 257 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: started every game but like two or three my whole career, 258 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, never looked back and 259 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: met some great people there and it was a really 260 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,599 Speaker 1: cool afferience. By the way, why was you know what? 261 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: When Rob took over, he did recruit well and obviously 262 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: he's I think the nephew is a nephew of Bob Lanier. 263 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: I think he's a nephew here. Um And and I 264 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: know Rob Wells as well. You know, he went back 265 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: to being a Texas assistant and tend now at Tennessee 266 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: is doing a great job. Why didn't it work? You guys? 267 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: Kind of there was a two year stretch before the 268 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: coaching change where was bad? Why was it so bad? Um? 269 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: I think it's one of those things that's, um, you know, 270 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: we have some injuries, um and and it's just you know, 271 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: we we actually had a really good team, but you know, 272 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: we had some bad luck. I never forgave its. My 273 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: junior year. Um, we played Oregon State the first game 274 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: of the seed and and and it was a back 275 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: and forth game, and we were like up by two 276 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: or three with a minute or so less and and 277 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: and we end up like turn them all over and 278 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: losing the game. And it just kind of snowballed. It's 279 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: one of these people got hurt. You end up periing 280 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: with my knee and a bunch of guys got hurt. 281 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: It was like, you know, just we had some bad luck. 282 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: And it was I do think it's sort of the 283 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: noormal really think just some moments in the season or 284 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: in games that kind of flipped and change things. I mean, 285 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: we almost bet a Pack twelve team that was I 286 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: think it's packed in the time, we won't be the 287 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: Pac twelve team. In the first game of season, we 288 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: lose that game at the very end of the game. 289 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: The next game we come out the torn re member 290 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: really sluggish where you losing New Orleans and kind of snowball. 291 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: So we just had some bad luck. Um And and 292 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: you know, kind of wanted to change, so so they 293 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: moved on to fran McCaffrey came in and then you know, 294 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: and and that went really well. But I think it's 295 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: one of those things where you know, there's there's a 296 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: couple of moments in the season or a game that 297 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: when you hit a rough patch and it all sort 298 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: of turns around. Mike Haddock Jr. Joining us for anyone 299 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: who doesn't know about the Albany Sienna rivalry. Um And 300 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: but of teams, obviously Albany struggle and really struggling. Obviously, 301 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: you know, their best player transferred to grad transferred to Villanova. 302 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: That didn't help them. Um, Sienna obviously has gone through 303 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: a coaching change, so they're still they're in kind of 304 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: rebuild mode. But you've played in that game. What's it like? Um, 305 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: it's cool. I mean, it's it's like a it's a 306 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: unique college atmosphere because we're you know, we're not in 307 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: the same conference, but we're around the corner. We played 308 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: pick up with those guys in the summertime. Um. And 309 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: it is the capital reason is a unique place where 310 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: you know, most people that graduate from CNA are already 311 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: they stay in the area, so there's just years and 312 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: years and years of alumni that live in the town 313 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: and that that game is people at a college game 314 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: on a Saturday night and it is and it's just, 315 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: you know, kind of a battle. So it's a cool 316 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: atmosphere that doesn't happen a lot in college basketball. Um. 317 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: And it's also like, you know, what what happened is, 318 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, we would beat Albany, but they would win 319 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: the American East and then you know, the year they 320 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: almost beat Yukon in the first round, and then we 321 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: got to hear all summer that they're better because they 322 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: played in the torn We didn't make it, and it 323 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: was like, you know, some of that stuff that just 324 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: went back and forth. So it's just a unique place 325 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: that I don't think. I think just all the fact 326 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: that sort of line up to make it a really 327 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: cool and special game that you can't really replicate. Why 328 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: didn't you play football? So I grew up so growing 329 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: up in so My dad's from small town Mississippi, and 330 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you get have it when you 331 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: play football. I grew up in South Jersey and it was, 332 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: you know at that time, you know, Philly in South 333 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: jersey's really big time in football now, but at that 334 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: time it was it was all basketball. And I you know, 335 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: I grew up I played and playing and uh and 336 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: middle school was really good and I went to a 337 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: really good high school, and I it never crossed my mind. 338 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: I just had some success and basketball and just was like, Okay, 339 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep this thing rolling. But interestingly, interestingly enough, 340 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: the second I got done, my senior year, coach McCaffrey 341 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: called me. He's like, hey, you don'ta play football. I'm like, 342 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: you're talking about man. He's like, hey, you wanna play football? 343 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what do you mean? He's like the 344 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: Vikings called me. They said, you have good hands, the 345 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: good feet, you can be a tight end, you know. 346 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I'll give it a shot. Um. 347 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: And then I had like five or six teams on 348 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: to the Giants and the Eagles and kind and worked out, 349 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: uh for a bunch of teams, And it was a 350 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: really cool experience. But I also realized that football is 351 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: one of those games where toughing I had they're playing 352 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: high school, were growing up, so it's a bit tough 353 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: to pick up um, but it was it was kind 354 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: of a cool experience. I think about a little more 355 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: time at it, and I might might be a football 356 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: player right now. Yeah. It's It's interesting because I've talked 357 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: to a bunch of gms and NFL gms and they 358 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: said they're like, hey, find me, find me a basketball player. 359 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: But and they're they're prerequisite as always. He has to 360 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: have played football in high school, has to play football 361 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: growing up. Like that, you look at guys that have 362 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: been successful, the Tony Gonzalez, the Antonio Gates is of 363 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: the world. They played football. The idea that that you 364 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: can just hey, I'm just such a good athlete that 365 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: you can learn a sport in your twenties is really 366 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: really hard to believe. Yeah, it's it's it's a really 367 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: technical game. And I never forgets. I was working on 368 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: for the Giants and they were telling me, you John 369 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: playing hand played me and rolling hips and all this stuff, 370 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: and I had no clue. Sort of had a move 371 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: like a football player and it was, you know, comeing 372 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: up the line, all these things that were you know, 373 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: second nature. I just didn't have a clue. And I 374 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: think I knew it, but I knew they knew it 375 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: before I knew. Okay, so you you get the football 376 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: dream goes away? Yeah, then would you do? So? I 377 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 1: was saying as going overseas. UM was going back and 378 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: forth for a while. Uh, I didn't know if I 379 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: wanted to continue playing basketball or when I was pre 380 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: men in college, I was thinking about going to med school. 381 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: I just didn't know. UM. And then I decided just 382 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: you know, to to join the workforce. UM, so I 383 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: kind of figure out my way, you know. It was 384 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: just studying a little bit too to go to medical school. 385 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: And then my father in law who's the doctor, was like, listen, 386 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: man um and take some time, do some other things, 387 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: kind of experience some stuff out there gott in the 388 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: sales and then was like, you know, I wanted more. 389 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: I moved down to New York City. Um and then yourself. 390 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: I was selling medical devices. So I worked for a 391 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: company called covidian Um. We told the I don't get 392 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: to second. We told these devices that help you, like, 393 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: you know, do these do these resections and do these surgery. 394 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: So I go sitting surgeries and I sold and then 395 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: I sold stints um for Boston Scientific. So I did that. 396 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: I thought it was really cool. UM one a little 397 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: bit more within the city, met a bunch of New 398 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: York City, met a bunch of people end up getting 399 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: the Columbia for Business school, and I was like, you know, 400 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: this is kind of a cool world. And I like, 401 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: you know, I was the first, you know, guy in 402 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: my family and anybody that I knew that was going 403 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: to an Ivy League school and then going to to 404 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: grad school. So I was like, it's kind of cool. 405 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: And it kind of opened up this world of you know, 406 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: these jobs and careers that I didn't even know existed. 407 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: It was a really cool experience. So you get you 408 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: get out of Columbia. Now now you have an Ivy 409 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: League master's degree, which is incredibly impressive. You've worked a 410 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: little bit, you've worked in in medical sales, then what 411 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: you do. Um. I went to work in Wall Street. 412 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: I was an investment banker. So I was you know, 413 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: I know, I thought, you know, this was a cool 414 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: field that that that's another field that no one that 415 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: I ever even heard. I've never heard of this job 416 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: because I got there. I went working on Wall Street. 417 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: I was an investment banker. I was doing mergers and acquisitions, 418 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: shirt and tie every day from the death building models, 419 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: working for twenty hours a day, you know, living living 420 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: the Wall Street dream. Um. But also realized I missed, 421 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: you know, you know, being out and about and and 422 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of sales, which is kind of being 423 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: around and and being entrepreneurial. So I did the Wall 424 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: Street thing. It was cool. It taught me a lot, um, 425 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: but it kind of clicked when I was there because 426 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: you know, candidly, a lot of people on Wall Street, 427 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, didn't look and feel like me and and 428 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: and and I say that meaning we're a lot of 429 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: guys you know that I grew up with. Theyre playing 430 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: basketball or just people that I knew that were in 431 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 1: those circles. This was like a different world that was 432 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, kind of country club, and I just uh 433 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: and and I felt like there was a lot of 434 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: cool things I was learning, but I wanted to use 435 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: those skills to work with people that were similar to me. Okay, 436 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: so before we before we get to that, UM, as 437 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: somebody who look, you don't make it at Sienna. You 438 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: don't have the career you had unless you have a 439 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: tremendous work ethic. Right, you would have obviously got into 440 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: You wouldn't have been premed and graduated or gotten into 441 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: Columbia or graduate columb unless you have work ethic. But 442 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: compare and contrast the lifestyle you mentioned twenty hour weeks, 443 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: which is harder being a basketball player or being an 444 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: investment banker? Um. I think I think being an investment 445 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: banker is harder, UM, because I think that when you're 446 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: a basketball player, you know, you have a love for 447 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: the game, and it's one of these things where the 448 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: things that you're doing are all sort of building to 449 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, playing a game, or even you know you're 450 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: running sprints, but you know it will make you better. 451 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: You know, when you're you're playing pick up, like all 452 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: these things you've done for so long, and it's all 453 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: sort of built out of this loving playing basketball and 454 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: a lot of times you're putting the ball through the whop. 455 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: You also are built towards these things. Um. But as 456 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: an investment banker, it's just a it's a different world 457 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: as you go sit at the desk and sort of 458 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: waiting for it's sort of reactionary. So for me, it 459 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: was like I knew basketball. I loved it. I work 460 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: because I knew that, Like there was like this drive 461 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 1: in me. I think, you know, when you're in the workforce, 462 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: it's just a little different. You know that motivation is 463 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: a little different. Um, And I do think that's harder. 464 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: I think mentally, I think physically, you know, the basketball 465 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: thing is you know, it's it's it's hard, and it's 466 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's hard work. But I do think that, 467 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: in my opinion, the investment banking things a little bit harder. Yeah. 468 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: I always thought, you know, we always think of ourselves 469 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: as athletes, like, look, we get up and we work out, 470 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: we work hard, we you know, and um we we 471 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: we worked so hard on our craft in order to 472 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: be great. And you do, but there's a limit to 473 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: how much you can you can do per day like 474 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: these guys like, well, I spent all day in the gym, 475 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: Like no, you didn't write, Like you can go hard 476 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: for an hour and then you gotta take time and 477 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,239 Speaker 1: they can go lift or whatever. You get something to eat, 478 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: you hang out, love it, and then you can go 479 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: hard for an hour. You can play for a long time. 480 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: But that's not as you said, you know, putting in 481 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: of teen sixteen hours days. When you're grinding, it's a 482 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: different sort of grind. And it doesn't I'm not trying 483 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: to diminish what it takes to be an athlete, but um, 484 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: but it's a it's almost the rewiring of it there. 485 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: But on the other hand, you have to have the 486 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: mental toughness of an athlete to push through fatigue, which 487 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know, every civilian in the 488 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: workforce kind of naturally has, whereas in athletics, Um, you 489 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: gotta push through, right, That's that's why that's really why 490 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: you run for conditioning. It's not because you really need 491 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: to run for conditioning. It's because it teaches your mind 492 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: kind of the mental the mental approach to pushing through 493 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: when your body says I'm done, not truly being done. Yeah, 494 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: we completely agree. It's it's you know, different stokes for 495 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: different folks. I guess right, you know, we all have 496 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: this sort of makeup. And I think that and when 497 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: I even when I went to the workforce, it was 498 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: one of those things were like, cool, you play you 499 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: know you played athletics. That's sort of a step up 500 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: because it's it just shows that you can sort of 501 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: grind through something or get through things even when you 502 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: think you can't do it. So I do think it's 503 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,719 Speaker 1: you know, you know, it does you know that there 504 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: is some sort of mental toughness that everyone just can't do. 505 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: And there's you know, there's people that remember Kyle's all 506 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: time it was like, hey, you know I wished out 507 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: of scholarship. I'm like, no, you don't because you go 508 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: home for Thanksgiving to Christmas and I got, you know, 509 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: six am practice. And I know for a fact that 510 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: the the they say you can become get up and 511 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: six they am and walk across the snow and come 512 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: work out, you're gonna be like, I don't want to 513 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: play anymore. Um, it's I want to. I want to 514 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: get to them what you're doing now. But before I 515 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: forget there has been North Carolina States scored twenty four 516 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: points last week. What was the worst loss you can 517 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: ever remember taking? So? Um, the worst loss that I'll 518 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: never forget is is my senior year and then Matt Championship. Um, 519 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: And it wasn't he because we didn't score. It was 520 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: just like, you know, we were winning the whole game 521 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: and kind of got away from it. That was like 522 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: the worst lass that it's things, But I remember a 523 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: game we've played Penn my junior year at Pain and 524 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: we just got absolutely blitzed. Like it was you know, 525 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: one of those games that's a few days before Christmas 526 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: break and everyone wants to go home for a day 527 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: or two. And we we got out of the locker room, 528 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: I think it was like twenty to two at some point, 529 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: and we kind of looked up from like what's happened? 530 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 1: They were hitting shots, We were half sleeping, and by 531 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: the time we woke up, you know, we were getting 532 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: blown out in that game, like we just like we 533 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: didn't have a shot, and it was it was one 534 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: of those games were like that was probably the worst 535 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: lost that I had in my career, you know, other 536 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: than the championship, because like we could have went to 537 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: the tournament that year. But but that was just like, uh, 538 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: you know, you walk out and you're not prepared to 539 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: play and someone who's hitting on all cylinders. It was 540 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: it was a wake up call and the game was 541 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: over for started all right, here here's mine. Well, we 542 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: had some bad ones when I was a Notre Dame. 543 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: We only won nine games or seven games. I remember, 544 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: I kind of deleted that party. I think we're nine 545 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: and eighteen, so I tried, I try to not remember, uh, 546 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: some of those some of those losses. Um. I remember, 547 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: like one time there was a huge snowstorm. This is 548 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: in nineteen winter of early massive snowstorm. We had to 549 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: fly into all the me and then bust to Boston 550 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: to play Boston College. Game was supposed to be on ESPN. 551 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: Stead they they they canceled a bunch of games. We 552 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: played like three hours later on ESPN to nine o'clock 553 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: start conte for him, and we were down like twenty 554 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: four and a half. And John McCleod, who just he 555 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: didn't have the voice to yell at people, like started 556 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: yelling at halftime and then the second half. He literally 557 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: had no voice and you couldn't hear him and it 558 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: was the gym was empty and he was trying to 559 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: get his point across and he was over there talking 560 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: like and you couldn't hear him at all on the 561 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: on the floor. But the most I don't know, to 562 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: me personally, the worst one was my sophomore year at 563 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. We were picked last in the Big twelve 564 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: and we had a we we had a soft schedule, 565 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: we played we were really pretty good and we're playing 566 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: Texas down at Texas that this is Tom Pender's last year, 567 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: and they just blitzed us. They had Luke Axtell and 568 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: Chris mim Um and you know both. Luke Axtell shout 569 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: a ton of threes and this was the day that 570 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: he was making all of them. And I remember being down. 571 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, we got caught him a bad switch 572 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: or something and we weren't playing well and we were 573 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: down and we're down like eighteen and he he took 574 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: me out and it wasn't I didn't feel like it 575 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: was my fault for why he took me out. And 576 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: I switched on like a handoff of a like so 577 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: like we we switched on any handoffs of like size guys. 578 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: And even though Luke Axtell was like six ft nine, 579 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: like technically he was a he was a two or 580 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: he was at three, and so that was an auto switch. 581 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: So I auto switch, and we doubled the ball and 582 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: to make one extra pass and they hit it three. 583 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: He takes me out and I came over and he's like, 584 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: I said, what why did you take Why did you 585 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: take me out? I switched and he said, you know, 586 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: he started yelling at me, and I said, well that's 587 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: some bullshit, and he's like, you just sit there watched, 588 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: and and I had to sit there the whole time. 589 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: And to you know, sometimes with the blowout games are bad, 590 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: but you also can get your stats and you can 591 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: get to where you can kind of recover and feel 592 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: pretty good. And we actually did make a little bit 593 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: of a comeback. We're down like twenty, I think it 594 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: ended up being eleven or something like that. But to 595 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: be benched into watch, I thought that was that was 596 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: the hardest one on me. All Right, So you get done, 597 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: Columbia lost Columbia As a masters, you go to work 598 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: in Wall Street and you're like, it doesn't really fit, 599 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: but I'm learning a lot. What was the next step? Um? 600 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: The next step is that actually went to. So I 601 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: reached out through a friend to friend and I met 602 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: with Troy Vincent, who you know works in the NFL 603 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: and play with the Eagles, you know, have the PA 604 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: for a long time. And I met with him and 605 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: I basically told him and sort of what I was 606 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: doing now, what my passion was, and I wanted to 607 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: sort of take all these lessons and how he helped. 608 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: You know, these guys are you know, like my dad 609 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: or like the current the guys I played with it 610 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: in the making the NBA. How do we fix this? Um? 611 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: And he was like, you know, it's just kind of cool. 612 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: I think you got a unique background to help me 613 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: do this. You know, the NFL as a personal finance camp. 614 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: So I started doing that, UM and it was like 615 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: that was like a once a year thing for two 616 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,239 Speaker 1: or three days. UM. But while I was doing that, 617 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: I started to I was the financial advisor four players. 618 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: I work for and work with the NBA and NFL 619 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: players and makes you manage their finances. So I did 620 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: some teaching on the side, and then I worked directly 621 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: with players and and helped them you know, big bills 622 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: and and financially playing and save and invest in and 623 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: all that. So so that was you know, the transition, 624 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: like taking what I learned on Wall Street and trying 625 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: to apply it, um, you know to a bunch of players. 626 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: So so then would you do so? Then you know, 627 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: I did that for a few years, um, and then 628 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: I basically I started to think, and I it's great 629 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: to work with work with guys directly, and I work 630 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: with probably you know, work with a ton of guys, 631 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: you know, big name NBA players that everybody knows and 632 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: NFL guys. Um. But I wanted to sort of create 633 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: this this sort of macro solution because what I what 634 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: I realized was I would go sort of pitch of 635 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: players and here's why you should work with me. And 636 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: there were ten other guys saying the same thing. But 637 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: the nineteen year old or twenty year old player and 638 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: their parents, we're making these this visions, you know, sort 639 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: of blind. So they were picking me because my story 640 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: sounded good. And just like I came in there there 641 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: was none other guys behind me, and if they felt 642 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: the person behind me stories sounded great, they chose them 643 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: and they just but it was sort of you know, 644 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: the blind leading the blind. And if I was a 645 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: bad guy, I said the same thing as a good guy, 646 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: and there was you know, just no one knew how 647 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: to decipher that. So what I decided um was this 648 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: sort of if we can create this system that doesn't 649 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: manage players, So we don't manage guys, we don't manage 650 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: their finances, we don't advise them. We create this system 651 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: where players can learn and understand how to assess, how 652 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: to assess the right people to work with, and then 653 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: get connected to the right people. So we So what 654 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: I basically realized it was at Columbia. You know, you 655 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: pay a bunch of money and you learned a lot, 656 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,239 Speaker 1: but it's also about the network. The most important thing 657 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: is the network, and the same thing I was a 658 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: golden tack. It was about the network, and that was 659 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: the thing that was so important. I was like, you know, 660 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: if we can take that network of really smart people 661 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: and create a network with at leads and connecting these 662 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: two worlds where really smart people are teaching athletes and 663 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: the people that are not chasing them down that they 664 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: don't necessarily need athlete money. So you know, the guys 665 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: that I work with loved would love to be in 666 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: the room with the people that are richer than them 667 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: that made it in finance or real estate, and saying, 668 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: if we can bring these worlds together, then everybody benefits 669 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: because the the hundred million dollar real estate guy is 670 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: not gonna take you know, a million dollars from this 671 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: player and disappear, and that player is going to want 672 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: to be in the room with that real estate guy 673 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: because that real estate guys none their dams or their 674 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: Instagram or chasing them down and trying to get them, 675 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: you know, trying to Nickel and Diamond. So just to 676 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: create an eco system where everyone can benefit and sort 677 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: of learned together. It was really something I was passionate 678 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: about it, so you know, I left my my job 679 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: about a year ago and being kind of creating this world, 680 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: um for for players. And we did something really cool 681 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: down at the super Bowl. And I don't know if 682 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: you can call Super Bowl a big game or whatever 683 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: they call now um, but did that down down last 684 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: week in Atlanta where we had a room with your 685 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: twenty thirty NFL guys and then we had you know, 686 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: a panel with a guy like Justin Tuck who is 687 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: now vice president of Goldman Tax and some other successful 688 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: people in business. Closed the door and the guys, let's 689 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: talk about career transition and finding the right people and 690 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: investing and all these cool things that you guys want 691 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: to learn from people you actually want to learn from. Okay, 692 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: so here's here's a here's a question. I have a 693 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: Basketball is generally the city game, right, I mean, like, 694 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: look you you you played like the only way to 695 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: really play it is like you said, you grew up 696 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: in Jersey. Football wasn't even a part of the conversation. 697 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: And a lot of a lot of guys, whether white 698 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: or black, are in different. You don't come from a 699 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: ton um, you know, the Steph Curries and and and 700 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: Clay Thompson's or the exception. The norms are more even 701 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: the k Ds of the world. But there's there's lots 702 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: of parents or advisors or AU guys or college coaches 703 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: and kid's gonna go overseas and make fifty seventy five 704 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: hundred first gig out of college. What would you how 705 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: would you advise them? What what's the what's the type 706 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: of discussions you would have with a kid who just 707 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,479 Speaker 1: came out of college not an NBA player. They all 708 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: think they're gonna be NBA players, but they're gonna make 709 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: their first foray into playing overseas. Yeah, I think you know. 710 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: The first thing we talk about, we we actually don't 711 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,719 Speaker 1: you know, don't talk about finance. We talk about you 712 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: have a you've got an opportunity to make some money 713 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: playing ball, and that's great and budget and say, but 714 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: the most important thing is use an opportunity. If it's 715 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: a it's if it's sort of a free you know, 716 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: if you're going to play in Italy, they'll go experienced life. 717 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: They meet people. If you're playing into the G League, 718 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: you know, meet people in that town. I think being 719 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: a being a professional basketball player. There's a ton of 720 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: ex professional basketball players are ext basketball players, you know, 721 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: me and you on this podcast, but to be a 722 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: current basketball player is a really unique and small group 723 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: of people. So while you're playing, meet as many people 724 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: as possible. Even if you play in Italy, when you 725 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: come back home for three or four months, you're like, hey, yeah, 726 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm from a basketball player. Don't meet the you know, 727 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: the richest person in your town. Sit and meet somebody. 728 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: Stay hello. So the first thing we teach guys are, 729 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, use the basketball the way it uses you. 730 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: You know, people are you know, people invite you places, 731 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: and people want to do things for you. Pussy lay 732 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: basketball and take advantages of opportunities and meet people. Because 733 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: if you build a network, by the time you're thirty 734 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: or you're you know, you may not not lebron and 735 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 1: you're not staff, You're not gonna have three hundred million 736 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: dollars in the bank. But if you have twenty people 737 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: you can call a better successful and different things, then 738 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like you can build these connections 739 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: and get a leg up opposed to coming back and 740 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: starting and trying to figuret how to do a resume. 741 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: So that's sort of the first thing. I just Mike, 742 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: I just want to hop in, Mike, I just wanna 743 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 1: hop in real quick. See this is it's it's brilliant, 744 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: your your your philosophy, and it's one of the reasons. 745 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: And look if you feel differently, it's it's fine. Like 746 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: it's a discussion we've had in this podcast. It's it's 747 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: one of the reasons that I one of the things 748 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: I think people miss on about college athletes in how 749 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: the benefit of playing college athletics, where people always said, well, 750 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: the school makes this, and the school may said and 751 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: My point is, like, look, forget about the fact that 752 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: you get into a school that most of us, a 753 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: lot of us couldn't have got, Like I couldn't have 754 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: gotten in a Notre Dame on my own in a 755 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: high school. Um okay, But I do think that's a 756 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: portion of it. I think the training and the books 757 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: and the and the and the tutors and all of 758 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: the other ball all the gear and all the promotion 759 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: you get is a part of it. But the doors 760 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: that it's open in terms of the people that you meet. 761 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: I never forget my first year and Notre Dame. We 762 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: had somebody who came in I don't remember what it was, 763 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: and they spoke to us and they said, hey, look, 764 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: I know you think. So we asked, why Notre Dame 765 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 1: do we have to live with another student our first year? 766 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: Like why can't we live with basketball players because that 767 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: way we're on the same schedule and we kind of 768 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: you know, and they said, look, you can live with 769 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: basketball players the rest of your career, the rest of 770 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: your you know, whatever you want, but get to know 771 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: the rest of the students because those are the people 772 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: that you're gonna work with, or work for or or 773 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 1: try and you know, work, have a have a business 774 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: relationship with for the rest of your life. Like Notre dame. 775 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: People are going to be successful. You want to know 776 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: all those people, and like you said, build a network. 777 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: And I think sometimes we get we get jaded by 778 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: like a thousand bucks here, five bucks there, that that's 779 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: not going to change anything. Relationships that are created in 780 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: college those last lifetime, and those benefits you way more 781 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: than any monetary amount that you can make off the school. Yeah, look, 782 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: not completely agree, you know, Like you know, we have 783 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: the discussion not talk about this all the time with 784 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: my teammates and and and it's like, yeah, we should 785 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: get paid and blah blah blah, and it's like I 786 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: don't want like you know, you know, I go back 787 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: and forth with that, but I do think, um, you know, 788 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: some of the best times I had, you know, we're 789 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: being broke in college and I got to do some 790 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: cool things that no one else got to do. And 791 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: like you said, you got to meet some cool people. 792 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: But you know, you you've got to travel places and 793 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: do cool things, and you have the school makes a 794 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: ton of money. Um, but you're, like you said, use it. 795 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: So like you know, I tell everybody that I go 796 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: speaking different schools, and we go to these schools and 797 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: I sit in the room and I go, like, go 798 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: to the alumni directory and fine, like the twenty rich 799 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: people that went to your school, and just call them 800 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: phones they play in the basketball team, Can I come 801 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: hang out with you? And it's like, if you call 802 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: and say I'm a student, maybe that call, maybe you 803 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: get a call back. Maybe you don't. If you call 804 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: and say I'm an alumni, they probably think you're looking 805 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: for for a job, and they probably don't call you back. 806 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: If you're a current guy, it's like, cool, you don't 807 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: want anything for me, so come hang out. And it's 808 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: all those things that think are important. But it's you know, 809 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: I say this all the time. It's like, but a 810 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: lot of times when you have people sort of advising 811 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: you on what to do, you know, their incentives are 812 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: for you know, for them to make money or for 813 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: them to feel good, and it's not necessarily always the 814 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: most beneficial to the player. Um. Last thing here, Um, 815 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: obviously you're you talk now with some of the biggest 816 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: and brightest stars in professional sports in terms of managing 817 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: managing their money. Are are we still in a place 818 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: where guys can lose it all or are they making 819 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: enough money where um, you know, like it's just so 820 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 1: much crazy. I'm more. I'm more talking Anthony Davis turning 821 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: down two forty million dollar ours. Have we crossed over 822 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,720 Speaker 1: into the it's funny money now? And uh we won't. 823 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 1: We won't see the days of the broke athlete. Um, 824 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: So I think that so like I don't know, I 825 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: don't manage guys anymore. I steped away from us so 826 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: I do more of the kid things. But I do 827 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: think that, um, and you'll still see some stories, they'll 828 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: be fewer and we're hoping to sort of help change that. 829 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,479 Speaker 1: But I think it's it's not just because the money 830 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: is so so big. I think players are seeing these 831 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: examples in a negative way that you know ahead of 832 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: that there were before them, but also in a positive way, 833 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: like you look at you know, the guys like Magic 834 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: or guys like Junior Bridgeman or Lebron and like they're 835 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: like wow, like those guys made it cool to think 836 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: about your business. And even like jay Z, it's like 837 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: you's got like often it's like yeah, it's not cool 838 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,879 Speaker 1: to just you know, blow up your a bunch of money. 839 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: Let's think about being being a business and in creating 840 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: these generational opportunities for you know, for people beneath you. 841 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: So I think, you know, social media, you know, all 842 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: the Instagrams and in Twitter and all these things, and 843 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,720 Speaker 1: players just like sort of speaking and being more openly 844 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: about it has made it cool to to care about, 845 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: you know, creating a legacy and all these things. So 846 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: I think that's one people where I think, like, listen, 847 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: the bigger the money gets, the smarter the scam artists 848 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: will get. So I think we're still going to see 849 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: you know, broke guys out there because I think it's like, 850 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, people will always find ways to say, like 851 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, it was like give 852 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 1: me a hunter grand and it's good. You know, in 853 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: a couple of years was like, hey, give me twenty 854 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: million dollars to develop this hotel. In times where so 855 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: they'll always these scam artists who are who are trying 856 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 1: to be one step ahead, but I think they're you know, 857 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: the percentages is getting lower and lower. Give me this 858 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: one of the smartest cats that nobody knows. Like you, 859 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to obviously, I don't ever wanted you 860 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: to talk about anybody else's money. But somebody who you 861 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: mentioned bridge been buying all those Burger Kings. I know 862 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: Jamal Mashburne, who of course has bought a ton of stuff. 863 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: I think Papa John's as well as as as Lexus 864 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: dealer ships. Um obviously magic and people point out Lebron. 865 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: Is there somebody you met along the path here these 866 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 1: last couple of years or even this last year, and 867 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: in advising people and and teaching them about financial literacy 868 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 1: and connecting connecting the dots, You're like, man, here's a 869 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: guy who nobody knows that quietly completely gets how to 870 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,839 Speaker 1: how to handle and expand their their financial portfolio. Yeah, 871 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: I think you know there's a guy you know, I'm 872 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: we sat down last week, Um, Mason Plumbling played for 873 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: the Nuggets. He is and like, you know, I hate this, 874 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, the duke thing is everybody he jumps on 875 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: the dude. But I'll give you a second one after that. 876 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: But but he's a guy that is really smart in 877 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: his business and also has a lot of interests and 878 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 1: sort of you know, smart enough to know kind of 879 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: how to handle different things and how to you know, 880 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 1: be smart. But he you know, he is a really 881 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: really sharp guy. I'll give you a couple more. Um, 882 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: Josh Hart, there's going the Lakers super smart you know 883 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: in l A. You know for now hopefully to go there, 884 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: um in l A. But has a lot of interest 885 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: and it's sort of thinking I think even before Lebron 886 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 1: got there, you know, the you know the process or 887 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,280 Speaker 1: even you know before either for lam after the start process, 888 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 1: being like I'm in l A, Like how do I 889 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: how do I sort of you know, take the next step? 890 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: M and I take a third person that a lot 891 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 1: of people don't think about. It's actually really smart of 892 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: their businesses and Dominican too. So he's a guy that's 893 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: involved with a lot of different things, but also as 894 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: you know, connected to a lot of different owners in 895 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: the league and that sort of does his business at 896 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: a level that is the same way that owners of 897 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: teams do business. So those guys are out there and 898 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: like you know, they're you know, they're not few and 899 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: far between. It's just you know, you the big name 900 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: guys are the ones you see. But there's a lot 901 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: of guys that are getting smarters smartess after doing cool stuff. 902 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: My glass thing, how can somebody get ahold of you. 903 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: Um yeah, I'm so so yeah. Feel free to you know, 904 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: sort of shoot me. Shoot me an email for my 905 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: our companies called Verify Sports and Entertainment um so for 906 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: free shooting email m haddocks so m H A D 907 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: D I X at Verified s ese SO Sports Entertainment 908 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: dot com or just you know, hit me up on Instagram, 909 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,720 Speaker 1: um you know had eight two three or Twitter athletes 910 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: Advisor one. It's a it's a really important thing that 911 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: you're doing, uh for for other athletes, and obviously your 912 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: background is incredibly impressive. I really appreciate you spending some 913 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: time with me and look forward to catching up in 914 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,439 Speaker 1: the very near future. Definitely had a great time, thanks 915 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 1: for having me, and look more doing to get to him. 916 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,399 Speaker 1: As many of you know, I played at Oaklahoma State. 917 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: I played for head coach name Eddie sutton Um. His 918 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: longtime assistant was Paul Graham. Paul Graham's nickname is the Judge. 919 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: The Judge because the Judge would tell you good or bad. 920 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: Most of the time it was bad. The Judge, who 921 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: was went on to be a head coach at Washington State. 922 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: He would do this thing. He would snort all the time. 923 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: And you know, if you go into the basketball offices 924 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,239 Speaker 1: back when the judge was there, you would you would 925 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 1: hear mhm. And one of these isstant coached, like hey, 926 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: hey man, get get that, get that shipped out. It 927 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: was bad, but Paul Graham was always a kind of 928 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: no nonsense, in your face, old school, do what I 929 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,359 Speaker 1: tell you sort of coach. An excellent recruiter as well. 930 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 1: I'll never forget this. I I've told many people. I 931 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 1: think I got a handful of comments from Eddie Sutton 932 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: during my time playing for him. I got one compliment 933 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: from Paul Graham. Ever. One we we played Texas Tech 934 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: down in Lubbock, and I think it was my senior year. 935 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: Uh no, no, he he wasn't there. He wasn't with 936 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: He got the head coaching job in my senior year, 937 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: so it was my junior year. My junior year, we 938 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: go down there. We played in the old place and 939 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,760 Speaker 1: it smelled like horse maneuver because they had the circus 940 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: in there before UM before the year before they opened up. 941 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 1: It was a United Spirit Arena or whatever it's called 942 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: UM and I played really well. It was it might 943 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: have been on uh NFC Championships Sunday, and I threw 944 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,879 Speaker 1: a lobed dozen Mason, which, uh, it was a great 945 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,799 Speaker 1: little inbounds to play a lot of you guys know 946 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,239 Speaker 1: I have an infinity for you know underneath out a 947 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 1: bound sideline and bounds. Well, you know you're downstream into 948 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 1: the your leaper who kind of loops around you throw 949 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: it to the rim and I threw it a little 950 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,360 Speaker 1: bit too high, a little bit too far, but doesn't. 951 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: Mason's a freak athletic caught, he finished it. I just 952 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,879 Speaker 1: made the right plays, the right reads. I probably had 953 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: ten points in thirteen assistant. We never lost the tech 954 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 1: when I played. And I remember that the next day 955 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: the coaches were great in the film. And I just 956 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: popped in the office and he called me. She had 957 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: judged Blair all right last night played pretty good, but 958 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: pretty good. Now. That was it. That was all I 959 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: ever got from him, as far as the compliment. His son, 960 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 1: Nick was like our little brother, you know, like any 961 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 1: assistant coach's son. He was always around the program. We're 962 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 1: playing video games. He was hanging out with us. Uh. 963 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: Nick went on, he had an outstanding high school career, 964 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: went on and played in college, played for his dad, 965 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: and he's been an assistant, he's been a mentor, he's 966 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 1: been he's actually writing a book um uh kind of 967 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: from the Christian perspective, thoughts and and um. It's like 968 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: a devotional message. Really amazing. He's a fascinating guy. He 969 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: should followhim on Instagram. Fallom on Twitter will tell you 970 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: all about his social media following. And he's had workout 971 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,840 Speaker 1: programs in Dallas and in Denver, Colorado. He's helped me 972 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,680 Speaker 1: with my program. Most recently, he was with Iowa State 973 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: as a g A but as their developmental head coach, 974 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 1: and he joins US now in the All Ball podcast. Nick. Look, 975 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,400 Speaker 1: most recently, you were obviously at Iowa State and you 976 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,719 Speaker 1: and I were talking off air about Iowa State, Case State, 977 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: Case State. Of course, just be Kansas. I always stayed 978 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: to split with Kansas. This year kind of interesting. They 979 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: don't play him late in the season. Who do you 980 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: think is more likely if Kansas doesn't win the Big Twelve? 981 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: And it's it's hard because obviously you know those guys 982 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,320 Speaker 1: that Iowa State so well, who do you think is 983 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: more likely to win the league? Case State or i State? 984 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I'd think I'm gonna go. I'm gonna I'm 985 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: probably a little bisable. I had to go Iwa State. 986 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 1: I think the Kansas State is one of the best 987 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 1: defensive teams in the country. But I mean, I was 988 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 1: stay just so versatile and how they can guard you, 989 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,320 Speaker 1: and I thin I just think they're skilled enough, um 990 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 1: to outscore people. I just think that they can can 991 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,360 Speaker 1: outscore their opponents better than State. Alright, now, k S 992 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 1: they beat him at in Hilton right by one point, 993 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: slowing the game down. Of course they still had to 994 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,800 Speaker 1: play in the octagon, and we'll see. I mean sometimes sometimes, 995 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,960 Speaker 1: you know, like k States thing in the past has 996 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,440 Speaker 1: not been um. Sometimes these these games with with their 997 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 1: big opponent, it's been the you know that they'll lose 998 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: going to a you know, a bottom feeder in the league, 999 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: whereas you know, Iowa State, it's been more the beating 1000 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,279 Speaker 1: the Kansas is of the world, even on their own 1001 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 1: home floor, although this year obviously they took care of 1002 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 1: business and they lost it at their place. Um, all right, 1003 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 1: let's let's let's get down to we we're talking. You 1004 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,439 Speaker 1: and I were discussing this. Uh. Dean Wade preseason Big 1005 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,080 Speaker 1: Twelve Player of the Year he's an NBA player, Why man, 1006 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 1: I just think he's versatiles. He's super skilled, Um, I 1007 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,839 Speaker 1: mean he can step out on the perimeter. I think that. 1008 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: I think that he's more athletic probably than you do. 1009 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: I think he's sneaky athletic. Um, he's tough, super skilled. Uh, 1010 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: play with his back to the basket, has all the finishes. 1011 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: But really he can really pick and pop and get 1012 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 1: his get his feet that step into a shot. I 1013 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: mean his shot and his footwork on the perimeter is 1014 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,200 Speaker 1: food like a guard to me, He's not like this big, 1015 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 1: clunky big that needs a lot of time to get 1016 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 1: his shot off. I think he truly is a mismatch problem. 1017 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: I don't think that he's a first round talent. I 1018 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 1: don't think that he's somebody that can start, But I 1019 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 1: think he I think he's on the NBA roster next 1020 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: year for sure. Yeah. I guess the question becomes, can 1021 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,279 Speaker 1: he guard your position? Right? That's really and and if 1022 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,400 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a stretch five. Um, he's not a 1023 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,320 Speaker 1: rim protector, but he can put his body. Like in college, 1024 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 1: he takes a lot of charges, so he gets his 1025 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,280 Speaker 1: body and that that part doesn't concern me. The shooting 1026 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,359 Speaker 1: doesn't concern me, you know, because you can, you guys 1027 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,400 Speaker 1: will stretch their range. I mean, look at brook Lopez. 1028 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,200 Speaker 1: He never shot threes until like three years ago, and 1029 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: now he's a That's all he does is shoot threes. 1030 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,400 Speaker 1: And I know Brooks a lot bigger than him. But 1031 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: the point is that you can improve your shooting range 1032 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: through through hard work. Which but my Mike Kenny Guarden, 1033 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: anybody if he switches on a ball screen against an 1034 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 1: NBA guard Kenny guard laterally, Yeah, no, I think he 1035 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 1: may struggle with that. I think that, you know, I 1036 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,839 Speaker 1: think that he can the high end guards he's gonna 1037 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,880 Speaker 1: struggle with UM. But I think some of the other guards, 1038 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,359 Speaker 1: I think he can at least keep him in front 1039 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: of him and make them work and just make them fake. 1040 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,520 Speaker 1: Challenge to UM. Texas got a big win. Going back 1041 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,160 Speaker 1: to last night, I'm interested in your take. They have 1042 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 1: a young, big guy who I don't know. I mean, 1043 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,560 Speaker 1: I feel like Jackson Hayes who's just kind of come 1044 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,800 Speaker 1: into his own and I know that he'll be told 1045 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 1: to leave and will probably a lottery pick if he leaves. 1046 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 1: I still think he needs another year. UM what do 1047 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 1: you think of Jackson Hayes in terms of who he's 1048 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:03,759 Speaker 1: most likeing what what ultimately could be. Um, yeah, I 1049 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: think he has a huge upside. Um, I don't. I 1050 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 1: think he's more athletic then skilled right now. Um, but 1051 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,759 Speaker 1: I think that he's gonna go. I mean that's just 1052 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 1: what they do right and try to develop on the run. Uh, 1053 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 1: drawing a blank on the comparison. I just think he's 1054 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,520 Speaker 1: super athletic. Um, he needs to polish up his skills. 1055 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 1: He doesn't really have a face up game. He's more 1056 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,920 Speaker 1: of a rim runner, offensive, rebound, paint protected kind of guys. So, 1057 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: but yeah, I think that I think that he's I 1058 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,319 Speaker 1: think he's gonna leave. I think that, you know, with 1059 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 1: this team in Texas, I think that, say, for example, 1060 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 1: if you put him around players like I would stay, 1061 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,239 Speaker 1: he would actually look a lot better. I think the 1062 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 1: way Texas is is like Texas. We were talking the 1063 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,560 Speaker 1: other day. The thing about Texas is is I feel like, 1064 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, they don't have people that can space before. Um, 1065 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,480 Speaker 1: they kind of have the same type of players. So 1066 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,640 Speaker 1: you can just you can just clause, you can just 1067 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 1: pack it in claud the paint and uh, there's not 1068 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: really any driving lays, there's not any room for him operating. 1069 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,680 Speaker 1: So UM, I want to ask you about training, Um, 1070 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,359 Speaker 1: your guy. You've worked with some of the best UH 1071 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,400 Speaker 1: with pros, obviously with a guy like Jimmer who is 1072 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,440 Speaker 1: continues to light it up in China, and with other pros, 1073 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,480 Speaker 1: with some of the elite college players, and with high 1074 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,239 Speaker 1: school players, with us in Dallas or in Denver, Mark 1075 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,960 Speaker 1: hell Folds was just traded to Orlando, Okay. And I 1076 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 1: don't know how much of it is mental, how much 1077 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: of his physical. I do think there's a good portion 1078 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,000 Speaker 1: of it which is mental. If you were to train 1079 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:34,560 Speaker 1: Marquel Folds, what would you do? Man? I agree with 1080 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,839 Speaker 1: I think it's you know, I say, all the time 1081 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,280 Speaker 1: we're doing kids, were doing players in this service, because 1082 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: everybody tells you that sports is eighty percent mental and physical. 1083 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,640 Speaker 1: But us, as guardians of the game in terms of 1084 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 1: coaches and teachers and stuff like that, we probably focus 1085 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,279 Speaker 1: next and tempt a cent not being generous on a 1086 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,760 Speaker 1: mental You know, you watched him. He had a fluid 1087 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 1: jump shot. It wasn't great, but it was completely different. 1088 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,839 Speaker 1: He had a fluid jump shot, and UM, when he 1089 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,080 Speaker 1: was at Washington and all of a sudden he can't 1090 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,040 Speaker 1: shoot a free throw, and you know the world's against 1091 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,440 Speaker 1: him and all that, and sometimes we failed to forget 1092 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: that this is an eighteen year old kid that probably 1093 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,840 Speaker 1: has not been through a lot of adversity in his 1094 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 1: adult life. It's a hell of a thing for your 1095 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,480 Speaker 1: first true Um takes of adversity to happen on the stage, 1096 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,360 Speaker 1: and which is happening to him, you know, living with it. 1097 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to be a number one draft pick 1098 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,440 Speaker 1: bus So my first thing with him, I mean before 1099 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,160 Speaker 1: we even stepped on the court, or as we stepped 1100 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,800 Speaker 1: on the court, it wouldn't even be about improving anything 1101 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,920 Speaker 1: with this his game. It would be kind of developing 1102 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,239 Speaker 1: the connection, developing the trust and getting him, getting him 1103 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,600 Speaker 1: to open up and try to figure out where that goes. 1104 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,520 Speaker 1: I kind of took that page um from Chauncey Um who, 1105 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 1: as you know, as a mentor of mind uh, as 1106 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,239 Speaker 1: a leader and obviously with development, but a lot of 1107 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,719 Speaker 1: times every now and then when he works out with 1108 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:02,120 Speaker 1: younger NBA guys, he'll jump him to work out with them. 1109 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 1: And he told me his strategy for doing that is 1110 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,480 Speaker 1: not to really work on the basketball, but kind of 1111 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 1: gets them comfortable, you know, just opening up and just 1112 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,880 Speaker 1: talking the game and talking about their vulnerabilities and insecurity. 1113 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,839 Speaker 1: So that's probably the approach I would take to see 1114 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:21,240 Speaker 1: if we could could really help him mentally. Um I mentioned, 1115 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,560 Speaker 1: I mean, like like a guy like Jimmer. What's it 1116 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,120 Speaker 1: been like to work with him? Why? Why has I 1117 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,200 Speaker 1: have my own feelings as to why he didn't make 1118 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,400 Speaker 1: it in the league, and um, but but he obviously 1119 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:36,920 Speaker 1: is is exceptionally successful playing in China. What's he like 1120 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:42,160 Speaker 1: to work with? Um, He's amazing, He's he's the most 1121 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,520 Speaker 1: genuinely nice guy. Tell people all the time. Uh, A 1122 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,520 Speaker 1: great player, but a much even greater person. Um My. 1123 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 1: The reason I respect to him so much is, you know, 1124 00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,719 Speaker 1: were when we work out. You know, I would work 1125 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,799 Speaker 1: him out and it may be kids in the gym 1126 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,440 Speaker 1: and maybe a youth work out before his workout or 1127 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,120 Speaker 1: after his workout, and even you know, I remember one 1128 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,960 Speaker 1: time he came and spoke to the kids and somebody 1129 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,319 Speaker 1: called him a bust like question and answer somebody you know, 1130 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,319 Speaker 1: said that he was a bust and I just kind 1131 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,800 Speaker 1: of paid attention to how he handled that with humility, 1132 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,800 Speaker 1: he has a lot of a lot of character. He 1133 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,960 Speaker 1: doesn't shot away from that. Um, but he's just I 1134 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,279 Speaker 1: think that allows him because he's a great person, that 1135 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,760 Speaker 1: allow him to be a great player. But he's smart 1136 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,360 Speaker 1: in terms of offensive he is one of the smartest 1137 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,120 Speaker 1: one on one offensive players I've ever met. You know, 1138 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,440 Speaker 1: I get it's not fair to say you're Jimmish trainer 1139 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,200 Speaker 1: because I pretty much just him a big cheerleader and 1140 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 1: just watch him. But just how he understands the game. 1141 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,719 Speaker 1: Obviously his limitations are, you know, his athletic makeup in 1142 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,160 Speaker 1: terms of what you said earlier, keeping people in front 1143 00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,360 Speaker 1: of him. Um, But just how smart he is. Um, 1144 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,399 Speaker 1: whatever the defense does is wrong. Um. I've seen him 1145 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,240 Speaker 1: score on anybody, bigger guys, quicker guys, whatever. He always 1146 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 1: has a recipe in that one on one set it. 1147 00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,080 Speaker 1: So it's been a fun it's been under watch him, 1148 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,359 Speaker 1: um work in the off season the last four years 1149 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,920 Speaker 1: and then turn on the TV and see him do 1150 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,400 Speaker 1: it Like, yeah, it's not the NBA, but you know 1151 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,480 Speaker 1: a guy's going to get seventy five points. That says 1152 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,239 Speaker 1: a lot about his offensive skill set. I don't want 1153 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,520 Speaker 1: to ask you quickly about about your method in terms 1154 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,440 Speaker 1: of training. UM, let's say it's a high school kid 1155 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,319 Speaker 1: or high school or college college age kid. Is there 1156 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,920 Speaker 1: a is there a reasonable amount of training? And some 1157 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 1: guys they say, well all day in the gym, and 1158 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, look, I always felt like five to an 1159 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,520 Speaker 1: hour max. In terms of shorter uh that way and 1160 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,560 Speaker 1: more and more intensity. Um. Obviously there are ways, you know, 1161 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,480 Speaker 1: you can get on the on the machine, you know, 1162 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,160 Speaker 1: on the on the gun and shoot a ton just 1163 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,200 Speaker 1: to get reps. But in terms of working with a 1164 00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,319 Speaker 1: guy get getting the quality workout, is there an optimum length? Yeah? No, 1165 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,719 Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. Um. And again I'm so 1166 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,919 Speaker 1: fortunate that I would say not a lot of people 1167 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,160 Speaker 1: that do what I do get to have somebody like 1168 00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,279 Speaker 1: Chauncey Billups take them under a wing for three or 1169 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,960 Speaker 1: four years. And we talk about that all the time. 1170 00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,719 Speaker 1: And that's one of my biggest takeaways from working out 1171 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,759 Speaker 1: the NBA guys. You know, all these guys that that 1172 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,840 Speaker 1: are trainers that want to train NBA guys that you know, 1173 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,680 Speaker 1: you see it all the time. They put a million 1174 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,120 Speaker 1: cones on the floor and they think they're gonna go 1175 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,000 Speaker 1: work out super hard for an hour and fifty minutes, Like, 1176 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,399 Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. When I worked out with Jim 1177 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 1: Or we never worked out longer than let's say, an 1178 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,600 Speaker 1: hour and ten minutes, between forty five minutes and an 1179 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,719 Speaker 1: hour in ten minutes. Um. I think that it may 1180 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,319 Speaker 1: be longer with older it may be a little bit 1181 00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 1: longer with younger guys, just because you have to get 1182 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,359 Speaker 1: their skill set up to the point where they can 1183 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,640 Speaker 1: work out efficiently. A lot of times when you have 1184 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,839 Speaker 1: the longer workouts with younger players, it's because they make 1185 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,959 Speaker 1: so many mistakes. I mean, you may have to teach 1186 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,120 Speaker 1: a high school kid. There's a lot of high school 1187 00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,440 Speaker 1: kids that are averaging twenty points. They can't dribble with 1188 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,239 Speaker 1: their eyes up so you so you may have to 1189 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,080 Speaker 1: take twenty minutes to break that down. But once you 1190 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,440 Speaker 1: get past that point, it's about being as efficient as possible. 1191 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,080 Speaker 1: It's funny. I was working out with some kids is 1192 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,000 Speaker 1: in Colorado, and you know, they want to tell me 1193 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,839 Speaker 1: what I want to hear, and I said, you don't 1194 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,239 Speaker 1: want to be in the gym all day, do you? 1195 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,560 Speaker 1: And he's like, no, I want to be in here 1196 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,920 Speaker 1: four or five hours, Like no, you don't. Man, we 1197 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,479 Speaker 1: live in Colorado. You know you want to go maybe 1198 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,319 Speaker 1: you have a girlfriend, you want to go hang out 1199 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,600 Speaker 1: in the mountains. There's nothing wrong with that, but let's 1200 00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,320 Speaker 1: learn how to be efficient and developed the i Q 1201 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,040 Speaker 1: because ideally, like you said, uh, you shouldn't work out 1202 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,680 Speaker 1: longer on an individual or even a small group workout. 1203 00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,600 Speaker 1: If you're working out longer than ninety minutes, then you're 1204 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:33,520 Speaker 1: probably not going hard enough and or your risking injury. Um. Okay, 1205 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,959 Speaker 1: how how about this? Um, what's the breakdown of of 1206 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,160 Speaker 1: play like actual you know, you know, if you have 1207 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 1: a group of play to skill development. Yeah, So, like 1208 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,120 Speaker 1: that's a good point. The thing that I've realized and 1209 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,359 Speaker 1: I've really had to pay attention to him the last 1210 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,280 Speaker 1: year and a half is we went from no skill trainers. 1211 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,160 Speaker 1: Like when you and I came up, there wasn't a 1212 00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,040 Speaker 1: sub school, was a player development guy. They were very rare. 1213 00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,759 Speaker 1: We just played a lot and maybe if we would 1214 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,200 Speaker 1: have had a little piece of that that would have 1215 00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,040 Speaker 1: been great. But now today's player it's all training and 1216 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,920 Speaker 1: they're not playing. So like I think that you know, 1217 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:15,279 Speaker 1: maybe the first you know, fifteen is just really developing 1218 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,880 Speaker 1: skills just really kind of isolating skills for the high 1219 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,479 Speaker 1: school uh, you know probably high school and junior high kids. 1220 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 1: You know, we're doing working on ball handling, or working 1221 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,520 Speaker 1: on footwork, We're working on pivots, We're working on being 1222 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,000 Speaker 1: able to make lead passes with your left hand, passing 1223 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,160 Speaker 1: off the bounce and all that kind of stuff. Then 1224 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,040 Speaker 1: the next stage, which is about another fifteen I would say, 1225 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,400 Speaker 1: is taking those drills and and developing multi skilled drills 1226 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,920 Speaker 1: where you're taking you're scoring off the bounce, or you're 1227 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,000 Speaker 1: working on your moves and your counter modes, getting a 1228 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,280 Speaker 1: high volume or reps. So that's thirty percent of the workout. 1229 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,240 Speaker 1: Then the next my approach is almost like a boxing 1230 00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 1: guy with the focus mits working on the combos and reactions. 1231 00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm kind of forcing them to develop their actions and 1232 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,680 Speaker 1: instincts of certain moves catered to how they play, how 1233 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,560 Speaker 1: their high school wants them to play, or college who 1234 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,800 Speaker 1: wants them to play. That's another fifteen and so now 1235 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,840 Speaker 1: when we play, I want to see them play for 1236 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:17,160 Speaker 1: maybe and really focus on applying to things that we've 1237 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:21,920 Speaker 1: worked on. So that would probably be my for me. Um. Uh, 1238 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,440 Speaker 1: last thing, um is there is there one thing that 1239 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,600 Speaker 1: you would tell parents. A lot of parents listen to 1240 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,320 Speaker 1: my podcast A lot. One thing you tell parents of 1241 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,800 Speaker 1: a young kid in terms of how they should how 1242 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,160 Speaker 1: they should handle being a parent and and allowing their 1243 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,240 Speaker 1: kids to grow. Yeah, well that's it. Be a parent, 1244 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,880 Speaker 1: don't be a basketball you know, don't be a basketball coach. Um, 1245 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,480 Speaker 1: take the same approach as you would if if your 1246 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,200 Speaker 1: kid was you're trying to get your kid a tutor 1247 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,960 Speaker 1: for the A C T test. You're not gonna go 1248 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:57,680 Speaker 1: over there and and and teach. You hired the tutor 1249 00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,480 Speaker 1: for that, or I think the doctor. You know, your 1250 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,800 Speaker 1: job as a parent is to make sure you do 1251 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,240 Speaker 1: your homework to find a doctor that you can trust. 1252 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,040 Speaker 1: You know, you ask other parents. You know, you go 1253 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,360 Speaker 1: look at reviews, you make sure they are creditated and 1254 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,680 Speaker 1: all those type of things. And then once you put 1255 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,720 Speaker 1: your trust in that doctor, you let that doctor be 1256 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,480 Speaker 1: the doctor to your child. You're not gonna go second 1257 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,760 Speaker 1: guest that doctor. You're not gonna step in while that 1258 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,080 Speaker 1: doctor is talking and then going there and just say 1259 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,760 Speaker 1: what you have to say. It's the same thing I 1260 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,160 Speaker 1: had to tell a parent earlier this week. He's a 1261 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,880 Speaker 1: set he was the seventh grader UM playing in front 1262 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,800 Speaker 1: of his high school coach. Halftime comes Dad walks on 1263 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,640 Speaker 1: the court and gets on his kid for not shooting enough. 1264 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,520 Speaker 1: And I had to tell him, I said, you're doing 1265 00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,640 Speaker 1: that in front of the high school coach. That's a 1266 00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,240 Speaker 1: bad look. He's already that's not fair to your kid. 1267 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,680 Speaker 1: Now that high school coach is like, man, this kid 1268 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,760 Speaker 1: has some potential. But I don't know if I want 1269 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,400 Speaker 1: to deal with this parents, that's gonna be a headache. 1270 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,959 Speaker 1: So just be a parent. How can people get ahold 1271 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,040 Speaker 1: of you or follow you on on I G or 1272 00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,720 Speaker 1: on Twitter? Yeah, so my I G and Twitter is 1273 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,960 Speaker 1: a say culture or die culture. And then just the 1274 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:07,120 Speaker 1: work our die. And then my my website UM, which 1275 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,920 Speaker 1: is a resource for parents and athletes. We have breakdowns, 1276 01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:16,680 Speaker 1: we have inspirational messages, we have clinics and California, Denver 1277 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,200 Speaker 1: checks or wherever is my website's Nick Graham Player Development 1278 01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:25,240 Speaker 1: dot Com. Awesome stuff, Nick, I look forward to Senior Night. 1279 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,320 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining me on the pod. All right, 1280 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,680 Speaker 1: sounds good man. Thanks for having all Right, that's it 1281 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,640 Speaker 1: for the All Ball Podcast. I'm Doug Galling. 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