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Speaker 1: Sixty percent of American adults have a diagnosed chronic condition,

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Emily Abadi here coming to you from the

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Speaker 2: AG Studio. You are listening to Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast.

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Speaker 2: Reconnect with everyone from your favorite athletes to top experts

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Speaker 2: and industry CEOs about their highest ties, toughest moments, and

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Speaker 2: everything in between. We all go through hurdles in life,

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Speaker 2: and my goal through these discussions is to empower you

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Speaker 2: you can stride towards your own big potential and of

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Speaker 2: course have some fun along the way. For Episode one

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Speaker 2: ninety two, I'm chatting with doctor Robin Burson. She's the

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Speaker 2: founder of Parsley Health, a holistic medical practice that you

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Speaker 2: Doctor version is so interesting. She's so interesting. She's a

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Speaker 2: wealth of knowledge. And we talk about how Parsley came

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to get into there.

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Speaker 2: We also talk about in today's episode all about holistic medicine. Right,

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Speaker 2: I think so often when something's wrong with us, we

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Speaker 3: A whole looks like. What can we be doing in.

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Speaker 2: Our every day to perhaps prevent a lot of chronic

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Speaker 2: common health issues in America and on the holistic note again,

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Speaker 2: how many of them can be preventable? Why a simple

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Speaker 2: blood test can be a major game changer, how sugar

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Speaker 2: plays a role in our dies today. There is so

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Speaker 2: so much in here, and Robin is also need to

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Speaker 2: shout this out. A new author, her book State Change,

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Speaker 2: thanks to your energy, and as she highlights them today,

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Speaker 2: a lot of useful tools over on the Parsley website,

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Speaker 2: which I will also link in the show notes. Make

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Speaker 2: sure you're following along with Hurdle over on social It's

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Speaker 2: at Hurdle Podcast. I am over at Emily a Body

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Speaker 2: and with that, let's get it's a hurdling. Today I

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Speaker 3: How you doing, Robin.

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Speaker 1: I'm awesome, so good to see you.

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Speaker 2: I didn't fill you in before we started, but I

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Speaker 2: Adam was one of my first guests and he said

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Adam's one of my faves amazing human beings.

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Speaker 2: Love it, love it, and a huge, huge, huge congratulations

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Speaker 2: to you. I saw like your hype video yesterday do

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Speaker 2: State Change, big deal, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Parsley is the medical practice I started over five years

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Speaker 2: First of highlight, Parsley Health isn't something that you can

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Speaker 1: paying for a Parsley membership directly and using up deductible

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Speaker 1: than it would be to use their benefits. And that's

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Speaker 1: the secret of our health insurance system right now is

440
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Speaker 1: that they know, they know that so many of us

441
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Speaker 1: are on high deductible plans that we will never ever

442
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Speaker 1: even get through that deductible to use that benefit. So

443
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: you might as well use that deductible on something that's

444
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Speaker 1: going to be amazing and healthy and supportive for you.

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Speaker 1: And so it Parsley is this proactive home base and

446
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Speaker 1: holistic health home base for our patients. We're also helping

447
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Speaker 1: them resolve these conditions, reduce their need for these expensive medications,

448
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 1: reduce these need for procedures and specialists. And let's face it,

449
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Speaker 1: like get better because the rest of the healthcare system

450
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Speaker 1: isn't designed to help us get better. It's designed to

451
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Speaker 1: help us whack a mole when we're already sick. That

452
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Speaker 1: has great value in certain cases, but for the average person,

453
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Speaker 1: it's too little, too late, ye, And that's what we

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Speaker 1: have an opportunity transform. And like, while I'm sharing secrets,

455
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Speaker 1: I'm shouldn't share this, yeah either because it's not really public,

456
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Speaker 1: but I'm just going to because I feel like it

457
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Speaker 1: so Parsley is actually starting to work with insurance. So

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Speaker 1: we'll be announcing very soon our first in network relationship

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Speaker 1: and our members will be using in network with some

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Speaker 1: of the national payers. It's not Oscar yet, I'm working

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Speaker 1: on it doesn't surprise me. Yeah, I love our friends

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Speaker 1: at Oscar, but it's not Oscar yet one of the large, larger,

463
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Speaker 1: more national insurance companies. And that's just the beginning which

464
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Speaker 1: is really exciting, and that will for those who are

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Speaker 1: using their benefit to bring down that membership fee, and

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Speaker 1: again for those who aren't, it's just a way to

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Speaker 1: use your deductible and get really awesome care.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I know that Parsley was founded back in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Another nuts and bolts question. I mean, you have all

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Speaker 2: these big ideas. It sounds really awesome. Of course you're

472
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Speaker 2: like a very well educated woman. You went to Columbia.

473
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Speaker 2: But still that doesn't mean that like it's inherent to

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Speaker 2: you how to start something like a company like Parsley.

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Speaker 3: So talk to me about those early days.

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Speaker 2: I mean, talk to me about what it was like

477
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Speaker 2: trying to figure all this out.

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Speaker 1: You know it is now and was then really hard.

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Speaker 1: I you know, one goes to CEO school. No one

480
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Speaker 1: goes to founder school. And I didn't have an MBA,

481
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Speaker 1: and I had a little bit of experience from my

482
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Speaker 1: first startup, you know, being around fundraising, being around what

483
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Speaker 1: it took to kind of get a company off the ground,

484
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Speaker 1: but very little. My co founder at the time for

485
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Speaker 1: the first company had a lot more experience than I did,

486
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Speaker 1: so he really handled a lot of that stuff, and

487
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Speaker 1: so I was on my own. I was a solo founder,

488
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Speaker 1: and I was trying to figure it out. And I

489
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Speaker 1: think for everyone out there who's thinking of starting some something,

490
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Speaker 1: you know, my number one advice is make sure this

491
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Speaker 1: is something that you are deeply passionate about that you

492
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Speaker 1: feel needs to exist in the world, whether it's your podcast,

493
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Speaker 1: which you are obviously amazing at and deeply passionate about,

494
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Speaker 1: or a company or whatever it is. Like, I think

495
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Speaker 1: sometimes people forget that they have a neat business idea,

496
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Speaker 1: but the thing that's going to get you through the

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Speaker 1: hard weeks and the hard months and the times that

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Speaker 1: people tell you know and you feel shot down and

499
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Speaker 1: you don't know what you're doing, and you problem you've

500
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: never hit before, and you're really not sure how to

501
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Speaker 1: get past it. Which has happened to me one zillion times.

502
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Speaker 1: Is this deep passion and belief in what you're building

503
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Speaker 1: that it has to exist in the world, because that's

504
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Speaker 1: what takes you from like idea to the choppy, choppy

505
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Speaker 1: waters of startup life. And then the second piece of

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Speaker 1: advice that I'll share that I've taken very seriously over

507
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Speaker 1: time is like, have no ego about asking questions. I

508
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Speaker 1: ask so many questions in every single stage. I've found

509
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Speaker 1: mentors and advisors, and no one person will ever be that.

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Speaker 1: Each year, I kind of I would say, graduate from

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Speaker 1: the last set of advisors I've had because I've learned

512
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Speaker 1: what I've need to learn from them, But that means

513
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Speaker 1: I have to go find new ones and new mentors.

514
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Speaker 1: We just created a medical advisory board at Parsley for

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Speaker 1: the first time, and we have people like Carla Denise Edwards,

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Speaker 1: the chief Strategy Officer of henry Ford Health Systems, and

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Speaker 1: we have doctor Seth Glickman, who was just the chief

518
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Speaker 1: medical officer at Boushield, California, and a bunch of extraordinary

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Speaker 1: human beings. Because this year when we started twenty past year,

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Speaker 1: when we started twenty twenty one, I was like, you

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Speaker 1: know what, We're going to start working with insurance companies,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to start working with employers, and I've

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Speaker 1: built a consumer business. I don't know this world. I'm

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Speaker 1: a doctor, but like we doctors are cogs in the

525
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Speaker 1: wheel of the healthcare system. We're not the people pulling

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Speaker 1: the strings, which I think a lot of people don't

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Speaker 1: really realize that the system is so big and so

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Speaker 1: complex and so heavy at this point that doctors are

529
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Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, sort of thrown around in

530
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Speaker 1: it and don't have the power that they once did.

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Speaker 1: And so that's me too, And so I've had to

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Speaker 1: learn what is this healthcare system that we're not working with?

533
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Speaker 1: How do I learn from people? And how do I

534
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 1: have zero freaking shame for asking the dumb question? And

535
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: I will ask the dumb question all day and not

536
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Speaker 1: assume that I know, like how does the money flow

537
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: in the healthcare system? Because guess what, it's not obvious.

538
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: The entire system has been designed to have zero transparency.

539
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: And so that means that I've had to bring on

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Speaker 1: advisors ask a lot of questions. It's my job changes

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Speaker 1: every year. It's very different than it was at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Like the first year, I mean twenty sixteen. People have

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Speaker 1: to remember Parsley Health was bootstrapped like it was me

544
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: and three part time people. I had no salary, There

545
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: was no other doctor than me. I was seeing the patients,

546
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Speaker 1: doing the marketing, legal ops, real estate like you name it,

547
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Speaker 1: tech and just you know, slowly built from there. And

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Speaker 1: it's only been since twenty eighteen that we've raised significant

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Speaker 1: funding to build what we've built today. But I just

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Speaker 1: I it was. It was rough, and there were moments

551
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Speaker 1: where I thought, like I was, that we were done

552
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Speaker 1: so but so far, knock on all the things. I

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Speaker 1: keep getting through those moments, you know.

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Speaker 2: I also think that that approach helps you navigate when

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Speaker 2: they are going to be inevitably people that have an

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Speaker 2: it's so easy for us to focus on the one

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Speaker 2: thing ever, but they's still going to be that one

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Speaker 2: person that's like, what are you doing here?

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Speaker 3: And it's hard not to listen to that critique, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean just the other day, I am really trying

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Speaker 2: say that, because I make more of a living now

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Speaker 2: in terms of financially than I ever did working on

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Speaker 2: staff at any major magazine. But aside from that, I'm

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Speaker 2: having these conversations with people that inspire me every day and.

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Speaker 3: Being able to take those conversations and.

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Speaker 2: Inspire so many other people in that process of creating

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Speaker 3: So at the same time, I.

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Speaker 2: Was like, I'm so sure what it is that I do,

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Speaker 2: But I let that little person come in for just

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Speaker 3: Give me that shade, and you're not welcome here, sir.

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Speaker 3: You're not welcome here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you are not welcome here, and you do you have.

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Speaker 1: That's such a great point. And also especially as women

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Speaker 1: like people try to knock off off, knock us off

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Speaker 1: our perch all the time. Right, your success is not earned.

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Speaker 1: Your success is silly, right, and it is it is.

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Speaker 1: It is so uncool, and it means that we have

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Speaker 1: to be even stronger. And you have to be able

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Speaker 1: to listen to yourself. You know, back to what I

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Speaker 1: said about advisors and advice. Yes, ask all the dumb

654
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Speaker 1: questions and hoover up information, but yes, deep down then

655
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Speaker 1: you have to cherry pick that information and filter it

656
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: and put it into your calculus of what it is

657
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: you're trying to build and what it is you're trying

658
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Speaker 1: to do, and then keep going right. And that is

659
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Speaker 1: that constant balance of you know. Also, there's lots of bright,

660
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Speaker 1: shiny things and you'll have I'll have investors that are

661
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Speaker 1: like like, why don't you like to build a big

662
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Speaker 1: supplement's business or why don't you go do this other thing?

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Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, like we're a healthcare company, Like

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Speaker 1: that's not what I'm trying to build here, Like I

665
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: didn't get up and the morning to you know, do

666
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Speaker 1: a bot driven urgent care service to take care of

667
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Speaker 1: colds and flus. I'm so glad that other people have

668
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: done that, but guess what we don't need more of?

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Speaker 1: Like bots taking care of our UTIs like kind of helpful, sure,

670
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Speaker 1: but what we desperately need is holistic medicine and a

671
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Speaker 1: partner in our health to help us heal from the

672
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Speaker 1: chronic diseases that are crushing our country. I'm going to

673
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Speaker 1: stay focused on that, even though, yeah, it would be

674
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Speaker 1: easier to maybe build some of these more superficial services

675
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Speaker 1: that are that are out there, or you know, there's

676
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Speaker 1: always something brand and chiny that can be a distraction.

677
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Speaker 1: And I think to your point, like, you've built an

678
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Speaker 1: amazing podcast, you have an incredible voice, You've built an audience,

679
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Speaker 1: Like now you get to keep building that, and you

680
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: know in your heart and soul that that is your

681
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Speaker 1: purpose and your calling and you're going to keep going

682
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Speaker 1: after Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean from one builder to another builder. I really

684
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Speaker 2: appreciate that. And what I'm also hearing you say in

685
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Speaker 2: this I'm going to keep asking the quote unquote dumb questions.

686
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think there is there are dumb questions.

687
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Speaker 2: I think if you have a question, that means somebody

688
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: else has a question, which is an approach that I

689
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: always take when it comes to asking other people questions

690
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: on this show for sure. But what I hear you

691
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: say here is that once you ask those questions, you

692
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: feel indebted to relay that information if it's going to

693
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Speaker 2: be able to help other people. And I think that's

694
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Speaker 2: something really beautiful about you and your approach is that

695
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Speaker 2: you don't find the need to like kind of like

696
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 2: hold on and kind of gatekeep this information and have

697
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: a broader understanding of the opportunity that you have and

698
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Speaker 2: that there is room for everyone at this table if

699
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Speaker 2: our main and common goal is to help others, which

700
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Speaker 2: is just so important instead of just like you know,

701
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Speaker 2: the competition can be a lot all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we have, unfortunately an abundance of hundreds

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Speaker 1: of millions of people who need better medical care, and

704
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Speaker 1: we have a healthcare system that has in particular ignored

705
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Speaker 1: the needs of women, ignored the way that women want

706
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Speaker 1: to interact with our healthcare, and it's just designed around

707
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Speaker 1: something other than us as human beings. And so that

708
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Speaker 1: need is just going to self perpetuate. And when I

709
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Speaker 1: look at like all of the cool services coming out,

710
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: whether it's like healthy food or it's blood testing or

711
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: it's other medical services across the space, like my view

712
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: is always rising, tide floats all boats, right, Because the

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Speaker 1: more that we have this information out there, the more

714
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Speaker 1: that we transform our baseline expectation of what we want

715
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Speaker 1: and our medical care to look and feel like the

716
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Speaker 1: more people become aware of it, and the more people

717
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Speaker 1: reject the old way and glom onto the new way,

718
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: and so and then on like competition, Like all I

719
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: keep learning every year is that whatever the latest competitor

720
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Speaker 1: that somebody you know, some investors, like, well, have you

721
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Speaker 1: seen this? And I'm like, I'll look at whatever this is,

722
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: whatever whatever, like I look at never once has that

723
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Speaker 1: thing been the thing make or break, making or breaking

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Speaker 1: what we're doing. Right, So, like God love all of

725
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: the others out there who are doing good work and

726
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Speaker 1: health and wellness, and yet no one has been able

727
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Speaker 1: to build what Parsley's built, and no one what what

728
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Speaker 1: will stop us will only be ourselves, right And at

729
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, what will stop you is

730
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Speaker 1: is only your own your own execution, ability to execute

731
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Speaker 1: on your plans, your your team, your resilience, your guts,

732
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Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes like force majure like right, like

733
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Speaker 1: so the world sometimes stores this as a pandemic and

734
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Speaker 1: you know that's just completely outside your control. Or other

735
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: life events can be outside your control, but rarely, rarely, rarely,

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Speaker 1: especially in a space as big as health, which is

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Speaker 1: a tam total addressable market that is literally infinite. Is

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Speaker 1: it about competition? It's really about how do we make

739
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Speaker 1: the best and the most amazing product that we.

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Speaker 3: Can control the controllable. Do the best youth ban with

741
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Speaker 3: what you have.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is like the advice or the takeaway

743
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Speaker 2: that so many people you'll hear, like, well, I don't

744
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Speaker 2: know if I should start X or Y or if

745
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Speaker 2: I should try to do this because I already see

746
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Speaker 2: that somebody else is doing Y and Z and you

747
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Speaker 2: and I just look at them like we always hear,

748
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: and it's like, but no one is you. And if

749
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Speaker 2: you take ownership over your skill set about what you

750
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Speaker 2: have to offer and just start today, like otherwise, to

751
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Speaker 2: your point, you're the only thing standing in your own

752
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Speaker 2: way from going after whatever the hell it is that

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Speaker 2: you want.

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Speaker 3: You have to be.

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Speaker 1: Really big for the competition to start to like be

756
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Speaker 1: the defining factor. Now that said, you have to understand

757
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Speaker 1: your market and who your audience is and what makes

758
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: you truly unique. And I think that is where I

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00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: see people get hung up over time as sort of

760
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Speaker 1: like diluting their own special sauce and their own uniqueness

761
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Speaker 1: to sort of try to look and feel like whatever

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Speaker 1: else is out in market. And I don't think, you know,

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Speaker 1: my my personal point of view is that that rarely wins.

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Speaker 1: And it might win very short term, but long term

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Speaker 1: it's it's really hard, like be really clear on what

766
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Speaker 1: makes your thing super needed, super unique and double down

767
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Speaker 1: on that versus trying to like smooth it out and

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Speaker 1: make it fit you know, everything else.

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Speaker 2: I've got to ask you, what do you look to

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Speaker 2: or who do you garner a lot of your inspiration from?

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Speaker 1: You know, I get inspiration all over the place, and

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Speaker 1: oftentimes for me, it's usually outside of healthcare that I

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Speaker 1: look more so than into healthcare to think about how

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Speaker 1: do we make something really incredible. I love Netflix because

775
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Speaker 1: they've constantly innovated an added value.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: If they were like, they've focused on not the hol

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Speaker 1: but what is the value we create? So if they

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Speaker 1: had been like, well, no one wants DVDs anymore, I

780
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Speaker 1: guess we'll just pack it up here, right, like can

781
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Speaker 1: you imagine?

782
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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: But they were like, DVDs are not the point. DVDs

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Speaker 1: are the how what is really accessible on demand content?

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Speaker 1: And now technology is allowing us to do that a

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Speaker 1: different way. I love Peloton because I think they've created

787
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Speaker 1: such an amazing community around fitness, which others have not

788
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Speaker 1: managed to do in the same way. I love Oprah.

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Speaker 1: She will forever be my inspiration because she speaks to

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Speaker 1: the heart and the soul in everything she does, no

791
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Speaker 1: matter whether she's talking about like the latest gear for

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Speaker 1: workouts or a car or you know, somebody's history of

793
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Speaker 1: trauma and what we can take from that, and so

794
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Speaker 1: keeping that authenticity and heart and soul and what you

795
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Speaker 1: do just I always try to remember that the best

796
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Speaker 1: brands have that right and then you know, of course,

797
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Speaker 1: on the medical side, we've brought in some of the

798
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Speaker 1: top primary care doctors in the country, We've brought in

799
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Speaker 1: some of the top functional medicine doctors in the country,

800
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Speaker 1: and they're all on our team, and that way we

801
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Speaker 1: get the best of both worlds. And I have people

802
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: around me to learn from all the time, because I

803
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: think that's the other thing like starting a company. You

804
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: can think, oh, I have to know everything, and it

805
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: took me, I think, a long time to learn that

806
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: it's not about what I know, It's about the team

807
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: I surround myself with and what they know and how

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00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: that elevates my vision and my ability to bring what

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Speaker 1: I have, my idea into the world.

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Speaker 3: I love that. I love that.

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Speaker 2: And you mentioned earlier dealing with some of those really

812
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Speaker 2: tough hurdle moments where you were unsure if you were

813
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Speaker 2: going in the quote unquote right direction and things felt

814
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Speaker 2: really really difficult. When you reflect on some of those

815
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Speaker 2: hard times, do you recall what it was that helped

816
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Speaker 2: pull you out of those moments of self doubt.

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Speaker 1: I have something that I say to myself on the

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Speaker 1: hardest day, and that's Robin, just be a good doctor.

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Speaker 1: And so what I mean by that is, you know,

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Speaker 1: especially early on when I was seeing patients a lot more.

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Speaker 1: I still see patients on Thursday mornings because I want

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Speaker 1: to keep my skills. But you know, in the early days,

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Speaker 1: even then, and even when I on days I'm not

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Speaker 1: seeing patients, I would say, just be a good doctor.

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Speaker 1: Because I might not have known how to get through

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Speaker 1: a particular challenge around fundraising, or around the business, or

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Speaker 1: around hiring at that time, or whatever the scary, latest

828
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Speaker 1: scary thing was. But I knew that if I just

829
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Speaker 1: kept giving the best, most amazing medicine and if we

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Speaker 1: stayed true to that as a company, and I stayed

831
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Speaker 1: true to that in myself, that would get me through.

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Speaker 1: And then that would just bring me back to my patients.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have had patients who I've had to

834
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Speaker 1: give a cancer diagnosis too. I've had patients who I've

835
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Speaker 1: had to support through their you know, third round of

836
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: gut healing when and they're bloating and diarrhea and custom

837
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Speaker 1: pation come back that's plaguing their life. I've had patients

838
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: break through their depression finally, and those experiences in those stories,

839
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Speaker 1: sometimes it's being able to help somebody find a cure.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's helping them feel a little bit better. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's just being their anchor while they're undergoing treatment at

842
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: Memorial Stone Cuttering, right, Like, it could be the whole gamut.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that I'm or Parsley's always the solve,

844
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Speaker 1: But it's coming back to just be a good doctor

845
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: and just think about those people. That's why we're here,

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00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: That's why we're doing what we're doing. Keep going.

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00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. I love that.

848
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Speaker 2: I would bear miss if I didn't talk to you

849
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: a little bit about what's going on in our world.

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Speaker 3: While having you here.

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00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: I know, over the last few months, and I think

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Speaker 2: even maybe as recent as this past week for recording

853
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: this the first week in January, there has been research

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00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 2: that has come out talking about how physical and activity

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00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: is associated with a higher risk for severe COVID. I mean,

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00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 2: as someone who really practices what she preaches in terms

857
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: of holistic medicine here, are you at all surprised?

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Speaker 1: Not at all, And I think you know, we've had

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Speaker 1: a lot of this research for a long time, and

860
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: we are so deeply grateful to vaccination and technology being

861
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: talk about a technological breakthrough that will change humanity, the

862
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: ability to create a new vaccine in a year like

863
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: mind blown, nothing will never be the same, like what

864
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: an incredible advancement. And yet at the same time, the

865
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Speaker 1: people who beyond you know, the elderly and unvaccinated, who

866
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: are getting severe, severe disease. It's people with the constellation

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Speaker 1: of modern conditions that the vast majority of the country

868
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Speaker 1: is suffering from diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, obesity,

869
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Speaker 1: and lack of physical activity. We know that exercise improves

870
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: our immune systems. We know that exercise improves our blood flow,

871
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: are cognitive function, It reduces our blood sugar, it helps

872
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 1: us with insulin sensitivity. And we also know that exercise

873
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: goes head to head with many antidepressants and is as effective.

874
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: In one study, exercise for people with depression improved people's

875
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: symptoms in ninety five percent of cases, whereas antidepressants were

876
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: only in between forty to sixty percent. And we know

877
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: that the medical literature says that we as doctors should

878
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: be prescribing exercise for anxiety, depression, chronic fatigue in selmnia,

879
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: Yet we don't, which is ridiculous because this is improvement

880
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: for a long time. And so back to COVID. One

881
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: of the things that I feel has been a little

882
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: bit missing in the conversation and is a doctor frustrating

883
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: to me, is how can we arm ourselves against this

884
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: disease beyond a vaccine? How can we be as bulletproof

885
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: as possible? Right and moving every day, taking our vitamin

886
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: D three, getting sugar out of our diet, eating a

887
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: whole healthy plant based paleo eating plan, which we talk

888
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: about at Parsley, we talk about in the book, and

889
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: taking certain supplements to support our immune system, getting quality sleep,

890
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: meditating which has been shown to support our healthy immunity.

891
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: The data is real, the data is clear, there is

892
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 1: no question. And I hope, I deeply hope that every

893
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: one of us comes out of this experience, who is

894
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: lucky enough to survive this experience and say and says

895
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: to themselves and everyone they love, now is the time

896
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: to take my health so much more seriously, to be proactive,

897
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: to be fit, to be strong, to get the toxic

898
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: foods out of my life as much as possible, because

899
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: that is the difference in not only our ability to

900
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: fight COVID and whatever. You know, what if there's a

901
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 1: variant that escapes the vaccines, right like, this isn't over.

902
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: That is our armor. We all need to take it seriously.

903
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: We all need to double down in our health. And

904
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: I think everyone's been in a little bit of a

905
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: state of what I call like suspended animation in these

906
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: past two years, almost like you know, like oh my god, right,

907
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: and we've all felt I felt it. We feel a

908
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: little frozen, right. We can't plan, We don't want to

909
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: like think about the future. We just want to hunker

910
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: down and be safe and take care of the immediate

911
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: and get our vaccination hopefully and take care and just

912
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: wait right, but we got it. We gotta we gotta

913
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: break through the ice people. We gotta like crack through unfreeze,

914
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: get proactive, get moving. And I hope that twenty twenty

915
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: two is the year that every single person says, what

916
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: do I do for this year to take care of myself?

917
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

918
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: And now is the time I sign up for Parsley.

919
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: Now is the time that I get my inside Tracked insight, sorry,

920
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: inside tracker, inside tracker, inside we invite, or my everly

921
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: well test or you know, I go see my PCP

922
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: and get some blood tests and figure out am I

923
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: metabolically healthy? Do I have high blood sugar? What's my

924
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: hemoglobin A one C? That's my fasting insulin? Because that

925
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: is the start of taking control. Yeah, for sure, And

926
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: I mean you said it. COVID or not.

927
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: Any day is your opportunity to kind of start fresh

928
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: when it comes to taking that ownership and agency over

929
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: your own health and wellbeing. You mentioned the goal of

930
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: maybe eating more plant based, eliminating some sugars from your diet.

931
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 2: If someone is kind of willing to take that step

932
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: to get into the driver's seat, what would you say

933
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 2: would be one or two things small actionable changes. They

934
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: don't need to completely overhaul their life. That would make

935
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 2: a major difference starting right now.

936
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, So number one is looking at the food that

937
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: you're eating. You know, I think that we should treat

938
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: sugar the way we treat alcohol, in that it's a

939
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: toxic substance, substance, it's highly addictive, and it can't be

940
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: something that we can consume every day, no matter who

941
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: we are, and for some of us, it has to

942
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: be a zero zero game, right, And so there's a

943
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: lot of sugar hiding in refined carbs. So your cookies, breads, pastas, crackers, cakes,

944
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: your even your salty things, right, and so can you

945
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: take the average person eats about seventeen tea spoons of

946
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: sugar a day. It should be no more than six.

947
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: We are eating excessive, excessive, excessive amounts of sugar and

948
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: the number one place that the average person is getting

949
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: it is in drinks and that can range from your

950
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: grain juice, your coconut water to your sodas. From there,

951
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: it's in these salty foods, these savory foods that are

952
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: like your pastas and your carbs, and so can you

953
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: make that a minimum in your diet? Can you get

954
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: rid of the snacks, can you get rid of the sugar?

955
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: And when you reduce that dramatically, it starts to massively

956
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: improve of your physical health and your mental health. And

957
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: we have a whole kind of program in the book

958
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 1: and a thirty day plan for doing a really simple

959
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: elimination diet. And I hate hate even using the word

960
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: diet because the book, it Stay Change, is not about

961
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: dieting or fitness at all. It's really about mental health.

962
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: But it's an eating program or a nutrition program that

963
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: helps you cut out a couple simple things that can

964
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: help you start clearing inflammation, clearing the fog. So number one,

965
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: number one, Number one is sugar.

966
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 2: Can I interject and ask you a little bit for

967
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: your input on natural sugars because someone might be listening

968
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 2: to this and they could be like, shoot, am I

969
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 2: supposed to stop eating fruit all together?

970
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 3: So let's talk about that real quick.

971
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, the number one thing I always tell my

972
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: patients is sugar. Sugar is sugar. I don't care if

973
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: it comes in a peach or a soda or a

974
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: coconut water or wherever it is it really or maple

975
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: syrup or honey agave by the way, it is absolutely

976
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: terrible for you. There is some research showing that fructose

977
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: and of itself, which is the sugars in fruits, and

978
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: obviously in high fruit toose corn syrup, which is the

979
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: most toxic place we get fruit toast much more than

980
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: a peach, which I do support eating, actually is really

981
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: toxic to the gut and can be a big cancer

982
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: trigger for colon cancer. So what I tell all people

983
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: to do is let whole fruits, berries, peaches, apples, be

984
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: pears be your only source of sugar, and then don't

985
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: go crazy with it. Right, have two servings a day,

986
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: but don't have six. But if that's your only serve,

987
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I think whether

988
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: it's added sugars or it's just the natural sugars. I'll

989
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 1: use a green juice as an example. I constantly try

990
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: to and you mentioned you were having it was green

991
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: juice time this morning. Hopefully you're making yourself at home,

992
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 1: But even if you are, like you go to those

993
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: shelves and you see the average green juice twenty eight

994
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: grams of sugar. It's a bomb. It's like worse than

995
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: a Coca cola, And so I mean it's not worse

996
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: because that coca cola has a whole bunch of other

997
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: crap and coca cola, but you know, it's just immediately

998
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: sort of incendiary and inflammatory for your body. So let

999
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: your sugar consumption be in that whole fruit where you

1000
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 1: have to chew and there's lots of water, and there's fiber,

1001
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: and there's antioxidants and there's lots of other good things

1002
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: in it.

1003
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 3: Okay, So number two, what's number two?

1004
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Number two is get moving every day. The body

1005
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: is designed to process emotions through movement. The body is

1006
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: designed to process your emotions through movement. So if you

1007
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: sit eleven hours a day, which the average person does,

1008
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: your emotional energy and emotions. Let me explain biologically quickly

1009
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: the emotion that you experience. Sometimes it's subconscious. I have

1010
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: a thought, Gosh, I really hope Emily is liking this podcast.

1011
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: I really hope she's enjoying this conversation. I really, I

1012
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm a little nervous. That moment of of

1013
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: fear might even be subconscious. I might not like read

1014
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: that thought like a billboard across my brain. But wit second,

1015
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: I have that thought, and then I have an emotional

1016
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: reaction to that thought. It's a little bit of fear.

1017
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of anxiety that kicks off an emotion,

1018
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: a wave of a biochemical wave in the body, and

1019
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: those chemicals wash through the body and can take up

1020
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: to forty eight hours to clear. If that's happening all

1021
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: the time, all day, I'm feeling anxiety, I'm in a

1022
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: fight with my partner, I'm really scared, I'm not doing

1023
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: well at my job. I'm stressed out because I'm running

1024
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: the startup. My kids are running around screaming, and I

1025
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: can't take it anymore. Whatever it is, if that's all day,

1026
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: every day, or really frequent for you, those emotional waves

1027
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: are biochemical waves of hormones and neurotransmitters through the body

1028
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: that then over time can start to do damage in

1029
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: the body. So when we say emotions live in the

1030
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: body and get stored, that is true because this is

1031
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,479
Speaker 1: a biochemical reaction that happens. Emotions are not our head,

1032
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: they're in our bodies. And so we talk about this

1033
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: and stay change because I want people to understand not

1034
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: only that concept, but also the concept that therefore, by moving,

1035
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: we were designed to process our emotions through movement. When

1036
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: you move, you sweat, you bring blood flow, You clear

1037
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: those neurotransmitters and hormonal wave that's been going through the

1038
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: sugar surge that happens when your cortisol goes up, blood

1039
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 1: sugar surge, and you clear it, you and you release

1040
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: those emotions instead of having them stored in the body

1041
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: over time. And so it could be a walk, it

1042
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: could be a dance party. I'm a big fan of

1043
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: hula hooping. You could get your rebound or trampoline and

1044
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: jump on it five minutes a day, great work out,

1045
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: great for your bones. Women. It does not have to

1046
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: be going to the gym and killing yourself. It could

1047
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: be quick I hate the gym, by the way, She's

1048
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: not my place in the world. So it could be

1049
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, working out with your weights at home. It

1050
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: could be cher yoga, it could be tai chi. But

1051
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: move your body, move that emotional energy through every day

1052
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: and you will sleep better, your digestion will be better,

1053
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: and your mental health will be better.

1054
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 2: Plus greater emotional stability, which is something that everybody, everybody needs.

1055
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, we're starting to wind down here.

1056
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: What I want to ask you someone goes to your

1057
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 2: Instagram now they see not only a soon to be author,

1058
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 2: but a doctor, a mother, the founder and CEO of Parsley.

1059
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: Almost thirty three thousand people follow you. When you look

1060
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 2: in the mirror, what is it that you see looking

1061
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 2: back at you?

1062
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 3: Oh?

1063
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: I love this question. Oh my goodness, I see a woman.

1064
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: It's weird to say that. In that I think that

1065
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was for you, but we

1066
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: I think I did. I held on to my girlhood,

1067
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: I guess for a long time. So when is it

1068
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: that you stop saying I see a girl and I

1069
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: see a woman. I don't know when that happened for me,

1070
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: but it's happened. It's official. I'm forty years old. I

1071
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: just turned forty, so I see a woman who's constantly

1072
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: growing and striving and changing. I think when I think

1073
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: back to being a teenager, I was like forty, that

1074
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: is a million years old. How could I ever be forty?

1075
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: And now I'm forty, and I'm like, first of all,

1076
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: don't feel a day over thirty five. Just going to

1077
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: be honest with that for you and thank you. And

1078
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: I also feel I feel vital. I feel in the

1079
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: prime of my life. I feel energized, and I feel

1080
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: like I have so much left to do and learn.

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Speaker 1: So here, here it goes, Here we go.

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Speaker 2: You've given us so much great advice when it comes

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Speaker 2: came to starting and at founding Parsley. When you think

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Speaker 2: about perhaps some of the best advice that you have

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Speaker 1: One of the ones I always come back to is

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Speaker 3: As women, we.

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Speaker 1: Hold ourselves to a standard of perfection. That not to generalize,

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Speaker 1: but I see and observationally. Oftentimes men give them the credit,

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Speaker 1: selve themselves the credit to step forward without the mantle

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Speaker 1: ridiculous and impossible, and we'll keep you frozen. So don't

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Speaker 1: let perfect be the enemy of really.

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Speaker 3: Good, beautiful? Last question here, doctor Barzen.

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Speaker 2: Right now, you have an opportunity looking back to give

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Speaker 2: things feel really effing hard, and you're like, what the

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Speaker 2: back on that time right now, what do you tell yourself?

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Speaker 1: It's all going to turn out so much better than

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Speaker 1: you ever could have imagined.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time today. Tell the

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Speaker 2: hurdlers how do they keep up with you? Give us

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Speaker 2: the info about the book. We want to know it all.

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Speaker 1: Yep, Parsleyhealth dot com slash state change for the book.

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Speaker 1: You can get the book there. We also have some

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Speaker 1: special offers there. You can follow us on the gram

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Speaker 1: and all the places at Parsley Health and I'm Robin Burson, MD.

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Speaker 1: The book comes out January eighteenth. Please you can pre

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Speaker 1: order the book from my Instagram. You can buy it

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Speaker 1: from Parsleyhealth dot com slash state change. And one last note,

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Speaker 1: if you want to get your health score and understand

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Speaker 1: where you stand, we have a new tool called Parsleyhealth

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Speaker 1: can get your health score, understand what's going on your body,

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Speaker 1: get some recommendations. Soon you'll be able to get some

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Speaker 1: at home blood testing with that tool. So just get

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Speaker 1: started somewhere. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good,

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Speaker 1: and please check out the book and be well, be healthy,

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Speaker 1: and everyone out there please let twenty twenty two be

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Speaker 1: your year to be proactive about your health.

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Speaker 3: I know what I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: Once we get off of this recording, I'm over at

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Speaker 2: Emily Abodi at Hurdle Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.