1 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: Okay, podcast starts. Now, what's up everybody in the universe? 2 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: You're listening to Stradio lab Um, the podcast in which 3 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: two gay guys talk about straight culture. Sort of, George, 4 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: how the hell are you? That was? That was a 5 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: really good intro. Thank you. I felt like it was succinct, 6 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: but in a way that felt honest, because there's no 7 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: point in trying to sort of invent uh like if 8 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: you're if you just know what it is, you can't 9 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: create the surprise. So just I thought. I also, I've 10 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: been noticing that, like my instinct when you intro is 11 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: then to make some kind of joke about it shortcomings, 12 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: because I'm like, okay, like I have to what am 13 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: I gonna to do? You know, not address it or 14 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: say a good job. And I just want to say, 15 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: you know, I only do that because I somehow I 16 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: feel like that's necessary to immediately create tension. And ultimately 17 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: that intro was simply very good. George, are you in 18 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: your gratitude? Era? I I kind of am in my 19 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: gratitude you know what. I'll tell you what era I'm 20 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: in I am. I'm in a state of perpetual anxiety 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: that I haven't been in in years. Oh my god, 22 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: there's I am leaving for a big trip tomorrow. I 23 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: am laid on my I'm behind on doing my taxes. 24 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: I'm I'm catching up on work because I'm then not 25 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: going to be at work for a week. I'm like 26 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: dealing with various like completely non important family things, and 27 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: you know when a bunch of little things just become 28 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: like there's no way out. I can't. I can't actually 29 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: like divide them into a to do list and do it. 30 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: I just am in a state of complete perpetual anxiety. 31 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: I feel completely insane because when then when I try 32 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: to explain that to people, it does not sound dramatic 33 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: or interesting. Yeah, uh no, I that makes complete sense 34 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: to me. I think it's it sucks when you're in 35 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: that position because the only way to get out of 36 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: it is to accept that you've like gotten lost, like 37 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: you have to be and it's like there's no way 38 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: to save it and you have to be like, oops, 39 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to be late on some things. You know 40 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: What's it makes me nostalgic for at least a real problem, 41 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: Like how boring for my issues to be about travel 42 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: and taxes and family, Like why can't. I wish someone 43 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: would betray me. I wish, you know, I would, you know, 44 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: my mom would call me and be like, we're kicking 45 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: you out gay. Not to sound elderly, but this is thirty. 46 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: All of our issues now are just like I'm actually 47 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: a week behind on my blah blah blah. There is 48 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: something about Okay, I'm about to say something, frankly, genius. 49 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: These are the most neoliberal decade. What do you think. 50 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: I think it's transitioning into the most neoliberal decade. I 51 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: actually feel like maybe our forties will be more neoliberal 52 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: interesting because then we'll have more assets, totally why That's 53 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: why I think forties are actually fully republican. Oh oh, sorry, 54 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: I misunderstood. You know what I mean? Yeah, are like 55 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: you're basically trying that you're like socially okay, wait, this 56 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: is cuge. Sorry not I need to start. I need 57 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: to not say huge because I heard that on another podcast. 58 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,119 Speaker 1: I don't want to copy them. Oh huge, It's it's 59 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: in the mainstream. It's in the main stream. But you know, 60 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: I've recently really been catching myself being inspired by other people, 61 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: and I have to remember I can't ever be inspired 62 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: by other people. No, no, no, great artists, steel, great podcast. Well, 63 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to have a new version of huge. You 64 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: know when, um, what's that show where Jim a private 65 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: school girl where her thing is keish? I want something? 66 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: I want that I want like my version of that? 67 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: What can that be your catchphrase? Yeah? No, not even 68 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: a catchphrase. A word that basically like keisha is so 69 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: genius because it's so clear what it means, and yet 70 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: it's nonsense, like I need something. Instead of saying huge, 71 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: I need to say you know, I'm going to go 72 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: back to saying major. Okay, so this is Major in 73 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: your thirties? What, well, just like Major's already like it's 74 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: like retro. It's not yours Major. I'm not saying it's mine. 75 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: I'm just saying Major is so retro that I don't 76 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: I'm not copying anyone when I say it. Yeah, it 77 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: just sounds like you're living in the past when you 78 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: say major. Okay, you're right. What if I say um 79 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: uh um? What are synonyms for? That's a plus? Okay? Okay, 80 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: Oh I love a mad Okay, this is Magma Comode. 81 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: So your thirties you are socially in your twenties but 82 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: fiscally no, wait, fuck, you are socially in your twenties 83 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: but fiscally in your forties. And that's why it's neoliberal. 84 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: And that's why it's neoliberal because you still have a 85 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: sense of community and you want to like help your community. Well, 86 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: you're hanging onto the social aspects of your twenties. You 87 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: want to be going out, you know, you're always like, 88 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: I should be going out more. You like still are 89 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: having fun at parties. Maybe you don't have kids yet, 90 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: and yet fiscally you are starting to figure out like 91 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: what retirement looks like. You are potentially signing up for Obamacare. 92 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: You know, you have cards in your wallet that are 93 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: not just one tattered Chase entry level card. MM. I 94 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: do think this is a really smart observation. And the 95 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: other thing is all your disposable income goes if you 96 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: don't because you don't have a family, you can take 97 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: advantage of your income. And so it's a very individualistic outlook. 98 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: Whereas you know, in your forties and suddenly your family 99 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: values twenties twenties, you are you know, going to burning 100 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: Man thirties. Yeah, you're going out with your friends, but 101 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: you're you're going to a to a birthday dinner and 102 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: you're okay with splitting it. You're no longer coming about it. Yeah, 103 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: and you like go to the nice places on purpose 104 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: because you're like, oh, I don't want to be around 105 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: you know exactly. It's a disgusting little decade. It really 106 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: is morally abhorrant. Oh my god. And it's like it 107 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: has sort of an evil plotting to it, where like, yes, 108 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: when you're in your thirties, you're like you're thinking about 109 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: the future in a way that's like dark where you're 110 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: super villain. You're suddenly like, this is how I'm going 111 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: to take over the world. Yeah, this is how I 112 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: will own property by the time I'm forty or whatever. 113 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: And it's like whoa, Like why are you doing that? 114 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: Like that's there's so much suffering in the world and 115 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: you're plotting how to own property. Yes, it's also, quite frankly, 116 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: the decade when inequalities among friend groups to start to 117 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: show themselves. And I'm not talking at this point about 118 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: like I mean, obviously there will always be people who 119 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: a priori have more or less, but I'm talking about 120 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: like all else being equal. Suddenly some of your friends 121 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: are making more money. Some some of your friends are 122 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: making less money. Some of your friends they haven't quite 123 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: figured it out yet. Other friends have given up prematurely 124 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: and suddenly, you know, are going to business school. Yeah, 125 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: the differences, there's enough time where the differences can get 126 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: very large. That's a scary feeling. This is this is 127 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: really magnatum Louda. I also feel this is man to 128 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: come Louda. I was thinking about this a lot recently, 129 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: where it's like being gay in your twenties is like 130 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: you're the same as straight people in your twenties, Like 131 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: you're like drinking too much, like being reckless, like jobless, 132 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: and like desperate. But then when you're gay in your thirties, 133 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: life really starts to get different than being straight. And 134 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: in your thirties, like now it is that thing where 135 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: it's like the people that like weren't like hometown Girlina's like, 136 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: are now having kids and it's like, oh and this 137 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: is like normal and now I'm weird suddenly, And it's 138 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: like the kids aren't gonna stop existing, They're actually just 139 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: gonna be more of them and and more and more 140 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: as timeing forward, I will be weirder and weirder for 141 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: not having kids and being like this gay like the 142 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: fact that I was just around a lot of family 143 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: and they were like toddlers and everyone's like, oh, well, 144 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: my kids are like this, Well, my kids are like this. 145 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: And I was like, I can tell you about the 146 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: outfit I'm planning for the club event on Friday, like 147 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: I and the club of that was part of the 148 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: family retreat. Correct, yeah, exactly, I and I you know, 149 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: I'm proud of my life. I like my my life 150 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: and a lot to be proud of. But it was 151 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: really like, oh, so my life is meaningless to everyone 152 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: in my family because there are no kids here. You know, 153 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: I'll say this, many of your outfits are more meaningful 154 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: than multiple kids I've met in my life. Thank you 155 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: for saying that. No, I think you're absolutely right. And 156 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: I think there's a paradox because two things happen at once. 157 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: A people become more individual in the sense that within 158 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: a friend group, people are more different than one another, right, 159 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: Like they have more difference is just because they've had 160 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: more time to develop into who they're going to be. 161 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: So on the one hand, everyone's becoming more different. On 162 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: the other hand, you guessed it, everyone's becoming more the 163 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:14,599 Speaker 1: same because people are actually like growing into what acceptable 164 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: adulthood is. Yeah, and the whiplash of that can make you, 165 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: you know, go to grad school. I mean it can 166 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: make you do crazy ship. I am really thinking like recklessly, 167 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: but in a way that is like family values reckless. 168 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: Like I'm like, oh, I'll show them, like I'm gonna, well, 169 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: family values is one of the most reckless things. It's 170 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: interesting people think of, you know, going out, drinking, blacking 171 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: out as a reckless act. For many people, that's getting 172 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: married and having kids. They're like feeling reckless, gonna get 173 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: married and have kids. Yeah, I'm gonna like commit to 174 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: my Like I'm gonna like own a home and get married. 175 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: How's that for fucking crazy? That's gonna make everyone's stand 176 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: there and to they considered more irresponsible than going out 177 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: and doing drugs. I've always thought it was, but I'm 178 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: starting to realize that that's crazy. No. But but you're 179 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: absolutely right because in the twenties, you're a teen bride. 180 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: In thirties, suddenly it's acceptable. And then the opposite happens, 181 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: where if you're in your twenties and you're like out 182 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: every night, then it's normal. And if you're in a 183 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: thready suddenly what people are worried about you? I know, 184 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: and it's like, no, you, I'm doing what's right. I'm 185 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: saying decided, based on years of research, was the normal 186 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: thing to do. Also, this is extremely This conversation is 187 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: so sex in the city. It's insane, Like someone has 188 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: to do it. They're seventy five years old. It's truly 189 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: like we are just rehashing like an episode from season two, 190 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: but we're like doing it with sincerity in a way 191 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: that I'd say it is groundbreaking in a way Michelle 192 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: Obama voice and doing it flawlessly. Wow, your favorite meme, 193 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: my favorite meme, I'm bringing it back. That meme is magnicumloud. 194 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: It's Magnicumloudy for sure. I am so excited for Magnicumloudy 195 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: to catch on. All right, here's what I think. I 196 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: think we should bring in our guests before I lose 197 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: the little energy that I have mustered up. And I 198 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: think I'll do it. Yeah, please, um, we are so 199 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: excited to have her on. You know. Let me tell 200 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: you something, this girl, this girl is someone I know 201 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: I can talk to when I need a paradigm shift. 202 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: Do you have those people in your life? You are 203 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: in a cycle of thinking, and you say, no, where 204 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: is the exit ramp? Okay, this next guest, she is 205 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: an exit ramp for me often interesting. So and that's 206 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: all I'll say. So please welcome Melissa Rich. Oh my god, 207 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: thank you. I'm a little slightly concerned with what are 208 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: you concerned about? Is that good? Oh? Yes? Is that? 209 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: I mean? I figured it was good. No, the exit 210 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: ramp is I'm in the vicious cycle. I can't start. Okay, 211 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: there needs to be something new, fabulous. I'm great happy 212 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: to be that for you. It is always hard when 213 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: your introduction is sort of like, this is what they 214 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: are to me, you know, it's something that sounds so 215 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: so completely positive and complimentary in your head. Actually, someone 216 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: recently did that to me and I won't see who 217 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: it was. It was a past guest and she goes 218 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: and I hope she's okay with me saying this. She 219 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: was like, you know, the other day I was thinking, 220 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: do people talk about George being hot? And so she 221 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: was saying this in the sense that like she wanted 222 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: to tell me, you know, she thought it was hot. 223 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: But of course, the way I heard it is. She's like, wait, 224 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: no one is talking about people. People normally talk about 225 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: him being a troll, but actually I'm attracted a kind 226 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: of a non traditional beauty and to me, he's kind 227 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: of hot. That's so funny. No, I'm doking it complimentary. 228 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: I totally doubt that when you were in a space 229 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: where you're like, this is exactly clear to me, and 230 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: then coms out and someone is like, I'm going to 231 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: think about that. Move him alone for a long time, 232 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh god, sorry, sat someone into a tailsman. Right, 233 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: you have a yeah, and and and the exit ramp. 234 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: It's just you have an ability to view something in 235 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: a new light. I love that. Thank you so, Melissa. 236 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: What do you think about this discussion regarding different decades 237 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: and their political implications. I mean, I was having a 238 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: full panic attack the entire time. I was smiling along, 239 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: but that is these are my deepest, deepest worries. Yeah, 240 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: ours to obviously, but it's bubbling under the surface at 241 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: every moment. And I think the second you leave New York, 242 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: the sense of self that is so obvious and so 243 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: present all the time can crumble immediately, because, like you said, 244 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: sam my interests and my concerns on a daily basis 245 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: are often outfit driven, party driven, like anything that does 246 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: not make any sense to talk about with your family. Actually, 247 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: just had a very fun family wedding in New Jersey 248 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: and it was the only family event, and I feel 249 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: like it was because we're on my turf where it 250 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: was like, okay, this makes sense, she is doing something, 251 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: Like no one had kids there. It was like, okay, cool. 252 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: But it's never been like that. It's a kid focused. 253 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: It's career and like even with us, like career things 254 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: that are huge and momentous to us, it's like nobody 255 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: gets that. So it's like I feel unemployed, drug addicted, 256 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: and I'm nearly homeless. Yeah, I'm glad again. Glad Christmas. Yeah, 257 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: when you see on paper, when you're like when you 258 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: say what your life is on paper, and then you 259 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: look at it with kind of like fresh eyes, you're like, oh, horrifying. 260 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: And if this was a Christmas movie, I would be 261 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: like the burnout the fuck up. Yeah, exactly exactly. But 262 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: in the city, it's kind of like, oh, we're all 263 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: fabulous and this is a blast, but yeah, you just 264 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: gotta stay in New York. I really don't like to leave. 265 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: Really do not like to agree with that. Yeah, Yeah, 266 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: it's funny like Matthew sometimes talk about this, talks about 267 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: this in terms of being from New York, where he's like, 268 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: in a weird way, it's actually the most provincial place 269 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: you can be from because you have such a fear 270 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: of leaving because it is so it's like a vortex 271 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: that sucks you in. Yeah. I do feel like the 272 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: older I get, the more I feel out of place. 273 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: And I'm not even saying I have such a rich 274 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: and incredible life in New York. It's not that. It's 275 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: just like I have to believe in New York values 276 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: in order to believe that I'm in any way doing okay. Right, 277 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: this is the Bardom believe that I disagree. I think 278 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: you have a very fun life in New York, thank 279 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: you very much. You're always about your downtown, you know, 280 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: fun people. I think you have a very fun here. 281 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: I am exit ramping for you. Yes, very fun life, Yes, 282 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: thank you. No, I have to agree. I think George, 283 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: you take a more been well rounded approach to New 284 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: York um than most people, you know, because you get 285 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: the high and the low. You do Oh, you're going 286 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: to you're going to art shows, you're going to Broadway, 287 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: and then you're also going to like in comedy. Yeah, wow, 288 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: you guys, thank you. Of course. You know it's like 289 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: I hear objectively a compliment. Of course I hear it. 290 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they think I'm not committed a comedy. 291 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: Isn't that the weirdest guilt trip that we give ourselves? 292 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: Like oh my god. Yes. COVID was huge for me 293 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: in that way where I was like, I am free, 294 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: like momentarily of this, like I have to be at 295 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: whatever birthday preaty. I don't want to be at having 296 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: a terrible time for three hours. Like it was just like, 297 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: I actually don't have to do that. If I was 298 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: at your birthday, I wanted to be there. That's not 299 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: about you. But yeah, our shows or whatever, you know. 300 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I, oh, honey, I haven't been to a 301 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: birthday party I don't want to go to in many years. Yeah, 302 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: I said, Oh, I'm living life purposefully and and I'm 303 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: getting there my way. Well there is. It's funny for 304 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: anyone listening who might not understand the pressures of a 305 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: comedy birthday party. Basically, if you're in an industry and 306 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: calling you know, underground bar, comedy shows in the industry, 307 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: generous events. Sure, but if you're kind of in this 308 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: community where okay, you're largely not getting paid, there's no 309 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, especially you know, when we were a bit younger, 310 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: Like it's not like people work at different comedy companies 311 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: and there are parties and there's hr you have to 312 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: make all of it yourself. So when you're invited to 313 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: a birthday party, you're like, oh, this is a work event. Yeah, truly, 314 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: And it's one of I think the most anxious scenes 315 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: that exists. Like I think everyone has social anxiety. So 316 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: like it's not usually like a comfortable environment generally until 317 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: you know it bring gets a little drunk or whatever 318 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: it's on, but it's yeah, it's intense. Yeah, there's there's hierarchies, 319 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: there's like beefs, there's all this stuff, and it's just 320 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: like and also everyone is like freaking out about who 321 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: to talk to. So they're like talking to one person 322 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: for one second, and like you literally have to have 323 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: two sentences prepared for everyone because that's as many words 324 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: as you'll get. And then they'll be like, oh my god, 325 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: and hi, you and it's just like oh no, no, no. 326 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: I there was a point in my life where I 327 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: absolutely adored a comedy party because they were fun and 328 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: we were all friends and it was all great. And 329 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: then as soon as like it started getting like they're okay, wait, 330 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: there's actual jobs. Okay, wait, there's actual power. Okay, wait 331 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: this is it was like I'm out. I'm out. That sucks. Well, 332 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: fun comedy party, Cat Cohen's that's me. I was like, okay, 333 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: we're in business. This is how it should be, and 334 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: that is open bars. I think that's the key. You know, 335 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: there's really no answer to what I'm about to say, 336 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: but having an open bar party should simply be easier, 337 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: Like yes, there should just be away, like there's have 338 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: to be corporate funded for there to be an open bar. 339 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: Would not agree more than you should be easier, just 340 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: like it should all be much easier than it is. 341 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: But the foundation because having an open bar really is 342 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: the best thing one can have, so they can get 343 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: away with charging I don't even know how much right. 344 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: And sometimes when you do the math, like in some 345 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: events that I've looked into, it's like, okay, if you 346 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: are planning on like each person having like this many 347 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: drinks per hour blah blah blah, Like you become a 348 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: scientist and figured out and it's like, okay, fine, that's fair, 349 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: but like I mean fair in the sense that you 350 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: are yourself paying for literally everyone's drinks for a whole night. 351 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: Like that's so insane to think about if you're just like, 352 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: here's my card. Really, I want to do that so 353 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: bad in our forties authorities, Yes, yes, yes I do. 354 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a big forty bash. Oh you should, 355 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: did you in the pandemic? Right? I had my thirty 356 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: in the pandemic. It was uh during that time when 357 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: it was unclear what the rules were, and so I 358 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: unwittingly had it at a bar, at a dive bar, 359 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: like I thought it was gonna be like very calm, 360 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: where suddenly I learned it's one of those places where 361 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: you're not allowed to stand up. Remember that phase of 362 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: the pandemic where like people would be like yeah yeah. 363 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: So suddenly everyone is getting there and they have to 364 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: legally be on table, like sitting at tables. So there's 365 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: like so that and obviously I didn't book the whole room, 366 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: so there's like a table over here, at table over 367 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: here at a table outside and meanwhile I am like 368 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: crouching while walking because I am again not allowed to 369 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: stand up and going from table to table saying hi 370 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: to people. Well, my god, yeah you should have the 371 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: biggest forty forty is going to be magna come out 372 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: for me? Yes? Should we do? Our first segment is 373 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: the question on everyone's lips. I think that's a great idea, So, Melissa, 374 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: our first segment is actually called straight Shooters. And and 375 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: then we ask you a series of rapid fire questions 376 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: basically this thing or this other thing, to gauge your 377 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: familiarity with and complicity in straight culture. Um. The only 378 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: rule is you can't ask any follow up questions or 379 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: we will yell at you. Oh my god, that listeners 380 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: are applauding and in fact standing up from their chair 381 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: despite that being illegal amid COVID. Because of how good 382 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: that introduction was, Melissa, for context, Sam used to be 383 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: insecure about doing the introduction to this segment. It's so 384 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: many words. Yeah, you're very good at intros. Is good 385 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: that you're concise, very concise. You know, sometimes I feel 386 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: that I don't sell um when I'm on script. I 387 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: feel I don't sell the emotion, and I can adopt 388 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: sort of a board tone and people can tell my 389 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: heart's not in it. It's because we both do that, 390 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: and in many other ways we are yin and yang 391 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: and that one way, it's like we do both kind 392 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: of sound board. I think that's a boy and that's 393 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: your brand. Yeah, entertained me, make me not bored. Well, 394 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of like entertaining and then the person starts 395 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: talking and then we interrupt while still sounding board is 396 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: on board and urgent. Yes, that's kind of my my 397 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: entire vine. I actually love that, George, you kick us 398 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: off would be my honor Melissa. A white man calling 399 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: his male friend his homie, or a white woman calling 400 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: her male friend my best guy friend. Uh god, my 401 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: best guy friend, I guess is the lesser of two 402 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: drastic evils. Yeah, okay, Melissa, whose line is it anyway? 403 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: Or who's on first? Who's on first? Okay, Melissa, don't 404 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: drop the soap or don't tread on me. Don't drop 405 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: the soap, honey, okay, Vine compilations or the power of 406 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: imagination find compilations. Okay. Making a tasteless joke when someone 407 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: talks about getting a facial or making a tasteless joke 408 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: when someone is wearing a pearl necklace, M facial facial Yeah, okay, 409 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: the power of the dog or the cat in the hat, 410 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: power of the dog Emily Ratikowski or Pixar's Rattui. Have 411 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: I done that one before? I'm not sure. I do 412 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: do do Do Do Do Do Do do or do 413 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: do do Do Do Do Do Do Do do do 414 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: do do do do do do. Yeah, okay, that was 415 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: a really good one. I love a sound based one. 416 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: Thank you. It was a little more conceptual. Um, is 417 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: that the end of our street shots? I guess that's 418 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: the end killed Thank you. These were good, we're good ones. 419 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: It's it's tough to put yourself in so in the 420 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: present that you're like, if you think for a second, 421 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's kind of it's kind of a 422 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: therapy exercise. Yeah, it's about turning off. It's about turning off, 423 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: turning off the busy city life and just focusing on 424 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: this zoom window right here. And now that you've played 425 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: that game, you can let go of all your past traumas. 426 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, thank god, I feel I feel lighter, 427 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: feel good. Wow. So traumas are like over right, that's 428 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: such a good question. It's either they're over or I 429 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: am so used to the traumas that they're just built in. 430 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm living them all the time, where and I'm like 431 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: a puffer codent never took off. Yeah yeah, well that's 432 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: like I feel like now like having trauma is like over, 433 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: Like it's like, well it's trauma really had a moment, 434 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: and now it's like yeah, like okay, Well it's when 435 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: something is proven to be universal because at first, everyone 436 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: who has trauma thinks their original. It's kind of like, 437 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: you know, it's that thing that people say, you know, 438 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: if all art is political, then no art is political. 439 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: You know, if everything is about gender or class, then 440 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: nothing is about gender class. Like you know, you kind 441 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: of start it starts losing its meaning once it becomes 442 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: clear that everything is trauma. Yes, and especially in comedy, 443 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: because I feel like there was that Phasebork was just 444 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: thing was just this is a horrible thing about myself 445 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: and that happening, and like, I'm really glad to see 446 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: that easing out. In many ways, I actually think the 447 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: pandemic helped with that, because for everyone to undergo the 448 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: same trauma all at once made Yeah. Yeah, it's like, well, yeah, okay, congrats, 449 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: Yeah I did that too. Yeah, And that's what covid 450 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: art is so unbearable. And you know, I will, I 451 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: will bring up sex in the City because you ask 452 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: when this the first line of it, and just like 453 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: that was, what do we have to touch all those 454 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: STANDI I was just like, what we're doing? Like I 455 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: knew the entire series was going to be terrible because 456 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: why but when you are united in that same trauma, 457 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: no one wants to talk about that trauma exactly. And 458 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: and that's such a good point because importantly that then 459 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: makes them relatable. The pizza people not in New York 460 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: and Sexy City is not about something that's relatable. Like 461 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: the first line should have been the first line should 462 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: have been like, oh, you got a head transplant? I 463 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: was hearing about those. It needs to be something that 464 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: like people can't relate to, and then that will be 465 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: like aspirational exactly. I you know, I can't really take 466 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: part in this conversation because I on record on this 467 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: podcast said I like how they addressed covid in Andrew. 468 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: I love having a podcast, so that all my horrible 469 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: opinions are recorded forever um. But I do think the 470 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: trauma of the pandemic was funny because at the beginning 471 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: people did try to thinking about them like they were like, well, 472 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 1: this is happening to me, Like my vacation was canceled, 473 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, everyone's vacation was canceled. Like it 474 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: was really kind of like took a couple of months 475 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: for people to understand, like, oh, this is everyone like 476 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: my job got interrupted, and it's like, yep, that's kind 477 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: of how it's happening, especially the anxiety angle. And listen, 478 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,239 Speaker 1: I'm saying this as someone who constantly talks about as 479 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: I did earlier today, about drowning in a sea of anxiety. However, 480 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: if your response to COVID is like, oh my god, 481 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: I already have anxiety. Now I have to go to 482 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: the grocery store and put on a mask, and then 483 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: you're suddenly hitting a wall because it's like, well, people 484 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: are literally dying, so you can't it just it's quite 485 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: simply having anxiety is the best thing you get, is 486 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: like the least dramatic thing you can be experiencing during COVID. 487 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: H Well, with that, COVID found dead in a ditch. 488 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: And so that brings me to my last point. You know, 489 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: these snowflakes on the campuses, I'm always saying that, we're 490 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: always saying that, we're always okay, let's burn some books. 491 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: You know, when I see um the abbreviation c W, 492 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: I always think it's like trigger spelled c h R. 493 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: That's so funny, that's insane, trigger warning. You don't think 494 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: of the c W network. Yeah, I think I was. 495 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: Actually now that I'm burying my soul on a podcast. 496 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: I was a local cable c W girl in my 497 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: previous life. What do you mean? I was watched How 498 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: I Met Your Mother's weeknights at seven only on Pittsburgh 499 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: c W. I see, I thought you were going to 500 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: say I was a local cable sensation. Wait, oh, I 501 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: see you were a television personality. Yeah. Were you like 502 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: a news anchor? Or? Were you just like I did 503 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: go to school for new It was in sports, but 504 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: I quickly abandoned that as talk about trauma. I was like, 505 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm not going to a burning bill. You're either board 506 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: or it's like a fire intend people are dead. I 507 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: was just like, this is not for me. Sports, you're 508 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: not allowed to have sex with them and you have 509 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: to actually know a lot about it. It really is true. Yeah. 510 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, I wound up on the network. So you 511 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: on the c W saying watch how I Met your mother? Yeah, 512 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: like industrial commercials that hosts like events and like you know, 513 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: whatever local cable stuff needed to be said. It was 514 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: the weirdest time in my life. And it was like 515 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: two years, it was. It was a long time. I 516 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: have to say this actually clicks like so much, like 517 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: it's such a context makes so much sense to me. 518 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: I like I see the energy, I see how you 519 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: could like fully be that person, and it is like 520 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: really funny to see why. I think the issue melist 521 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 1: it is like you are meant to be a host, 522 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: but not on local cable. Sure, but is a small pond. Sure, sure, 523 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: But I almost feel like hosting is so dead, like 524 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: everyone's a host, everyone's like social media. It kind of 525 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: just like killed. If you see a show with a host, 526 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: you're kind of like, oh god, yeah, you know, you're 527 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: absolutely right, you know it killed. Here's the thing that 528 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: there are skills like hosting. Another skill which I was 529 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: like just talking about with someone is the skill of 530 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: being a really good television personality in terms of like 531 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: someone who would be on Hollywood Squares, like someone who 532 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: would even like a Marina Manuos type to they're just 533 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: is not to say that Marina Manunos is some genius, 534 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: but there is now everyone. I mean, now everyone is 535 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: a host, Now everyone is on Hollywood Squares. Now everyone 536 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: is a television personality. There's an art to it. There's 537 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: an art like even just like how they move their hands. Yeah, 538 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: like and it's obviously like cadence is obviously huge and 539 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: like really specific to each host like they I think 540 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: they spend a lot of time on like how am 541 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: I talking? What's the rhythm of like my you know, 542 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: and it boils down to charisma, like totally. Once that's 543 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: stop being a prerequisite, then you know we're fucked. I 544 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: know your charisma anymore. Yeah, but there's a power in 545 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: it too, the a host with no charisma, Oh that 546 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: I want to see that way more to see someone flop. 547 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: I want to see like I want to see a 548 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: real person up there, like struggling through it. Well, that's 549 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: also like you know, you want to watch a movie 550 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: because like someone's like bad, you know, it's fun even 551 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: I think there's more anxiety and a bad host like 552 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: really flopping. Well. It's also like to see someone begin 553 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: with a sort of momentum and then realize halfway through, 554 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: oh no, I don't know how to do this, Like 555 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: I think of this when I you know, when I 556 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: see people posting videos and they're like, you know, it's 557 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: very clear that they they've seen other people do it. 558 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: It looks easy enough. They're going to tell a story, 559 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: and then they start and they're like, let's say there's 560 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: some viral meme and everyone's talking about their experience with 561 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: their plants dying. They start and they're like, okay, so 562 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: I get this plant. I literally return home, I look 563 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: at it. And then they realize, oh no, I have 564 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: no punch lines. Nothing I'm saying is funny, nothing I'm 565 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: saying is interesting. But then they have to keep talking, 566 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: and so they're like, okay, what do I do? I 567 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: guess I could curse, like I could I could try that, 568 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: like that could be an element of it. Or maybe 569 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: I'll try to be sexy, like maybe I'll take you, 570 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: maybe I'll take off. I'm currently obsessed with this man 571 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: on TikTok that I found who is like the most 572 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: unnatural performer I've ever seen. And he makes so many 573 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: videos that are like he's just like a single gay 574 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: guy living in England, and he like makes like lip 575 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: sync videos that are he can't get the words right. 576 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: He makes like dance challenges where he's like half doing it. 577 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm he's he's like our age. I'm addicted to him, 578 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't know how you can be 579 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: so bad at this and still keep going. Yeah, that's 580 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: the beauty of TikTok. There's a flexibility that you can 581 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: be bad and like people still like you to a 582 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: certain extent, Like you will be like high house or 583 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: whatever you like, but you're gonna like have a following. 584 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: I mean as someone who who is very much on 585 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: the outside. As I've said many times before, proudly I 586 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: do not have TikTok. It does seem to me, what 587 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: makes it to my desk, makes it seem like it 588 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,959 Speaker 1: actively rewards Antistar power. It's like it's literally a medium 589 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: where it's almost like the corporate fat cats, as my 590 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: colleague Claire would say, are watching and they're like, who 591 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: here is the least compelling on screen? Like find someone 592 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: whose face is completely interchangeable, someone who has like who 593 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: looks exactly like someone you would see on the street 594 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: and then give them the clicks. Yeah, there's something to it. Well, 595 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of um, who was the guy on 596 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: American Idol who people kept voting giant? Yes, TikTok is 597 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,439 Speaker 1: that as talk is Sania? Is that his name? Yeah? 598 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: Am I that is his name, right, Melissa? That's right? Yeah, No, 599 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: TikTok is literally that is the perfect encapsulation of what 600 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 1: tiktoking is because it is basically like those early memes 601 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: like Sinaia or do you remember Obama Girl? Yes, Obama 602 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 1: all these things that like we have purposefully forgotten because 603 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: they were not memorable. Now there is an app dedicated 604 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: to Obama Girl in Sania and like making celebrities out 605 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: of people who are purposefully not good at this. Yes, yeah, okay, 606 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: well I'm glad we figure that one out. Um, let's 607 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: get to our topic. Yeah, Melissa, would you like to 608 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: introduce the topic you brought forth and then maybe say 609 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: a little bit about what you think makes it straight? Sure? Um, 610 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: I'd like to start off by saying I don't play games, 611 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: and if you know me, you know I don't play games. 612 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 1: That's my Yeah. So I think I'm in a street 613 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: presenting relationship, and occasionally we will meet other couples who 614 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: will want to first of all, just hanging out to 615 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: straight couples, hell, hell in a in a handbasket whatever, 616 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: they oftentimes want to do game night, which is even 617 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: worse the concept of games in general. I think it's 618 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: inherently straight, and then we're making products about them, which 619 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: Georgie Cards Against Humanity. I don't think there was a 620 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: darker time in like hanging out than when everyone wanted 621 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: to play cards aginst humanity constantly and games were like 622 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: try you try to like being funny out of unfunny people. 623 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: Is I think really really dark? And I would just 624 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: like to ask for people who like games, like what 625 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: are you afraid of? Like if there's no game going on, 626 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: what you're going to have to talk? Or so you 627 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I was like, I'm here, I'm 628 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: here to hang Yeah, yeah, there's so much there. I 629 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: have been such a strong hater of game nights for 630 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: so much of my life, and I agree. I think 631 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: it's like a cop out and I'm like, if I'm 632 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: hanging out with you, I want to be hanging out. 633 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: I want to be like chatting and I want to 634 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: be able to get up and I don't want to 635 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,479 Speaker 1: pay attention and like whose turn is it? And blah 636 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. But this is thirty. Now I'm 637 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: starting to be like, you know, maybe there is something too. 638 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: You know, we we drank for some social lubrication. Maybe 639 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: a game is a bit of a social lubrication as well. 640 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: That's the devastating thing about it is as you get 641 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: older and I'm I see what you're saying, I'm torn 642 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: between these two points of view. Don't go over there, George, 643 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: you were on this side before you know what. Listen, 644 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,439 Speaker 1: I'm on your side. First of all, if you're talking 645 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 1: about literally straight couples having a game night, I am 646 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: against that. Top to bond. There's no okay, okay, there's feeling, 647 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: even if I think it will end up being like 648 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: a straight night. If a bunch of gay couples get 649 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: together play games, now you're straight, Now you're straight hanging out. 650 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: I'm yes, I'm certainly on your like I'm with you, 651 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: and in fact, it is like it freaks me out 652 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: that you know, when you feel yourself getting older and 653 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: you feel yourself being like, oh, celebrity is kind of fun. Okay. 654 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: There's one game that I will play. Okay, what is it? 655 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: And the only reason is because A there's no capitalistic 656 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: supplies that I have to buy. B it's on the 657 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: phone already. And it's only because this is good when 658 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: you're like waiting in line or like waiting for a drink, 659 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: and that is of course heads up on the phone. 660 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about. Ding they can't see me. 661 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm doing most of my forehead where I'm holding my phone. 662 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: That's the only fun one, and that's because it's like 663 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out how to describe Arianna Grande 664 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: to your friends. Like that's fun, and that's it. That's 665 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: the only game. I don't play games. If you know me, 666 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: I don't play games. If I am playing a game, 667 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: it's heads up because I'm waiting for something. Catchphrase is 668 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: getting longer and longer. Okay. Yeah. First of all, I 669 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,959 Speaker 1: want to say I completely Carson's humanity. I've never hated 670 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 1: anything more. I want to say, like most most of 671 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: the time, I fully agree with you, and then way 672 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: talk a little bit. Sorry, let's we need to talk 673 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: about cards against me. I know, I know you want 674 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: to move on, but well, Carson's humanity is evil inherently. 675 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: It feels almost act even talked about. But it's because 676 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 1: it's like pretending to have a sense of humor, and 677 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: it was taking what was natural about apples to apples 678 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 1: and finding like dark humor and like weird combinations and 679 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 1: like putting making the game entirely that where it's like 680 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: there's no creativity anymore. You're just putting like Hitler and 681 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: poo poo, and it's like cool, like this is not funny, 682 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: So it's extremely lame, extremely lazy, extremely BROWI and like 683 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,720 Speaker 1: edge lord lazy edge lord humor. It's really like igin 684 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: like being in a social gathering that someone taking out 685 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: a box and then being like, here, here are some 686 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: funny things. Everyone can say. Yes, it's akin to like 687 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: putting on a comedy and being like this is my 688 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: favorite part. This is my favorite part. This is my 689 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: favorite part. Yes. The dread that I feel when someone 690 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: suggests a game is vast. It's just like I'm like, no, 691 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: like we're having a good time, Like just like there's 692 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: no way to like vibe like I get it, the 693 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: like social lubrication of it all, but I think that's 694 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: a cop out and people need to get better to 695 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: be better, Like you gotta you gotta to it, yeah, 696 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: bad to go to do it, you have to figure 697 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,399 Speaker 1: it out. Like and drinking games are bad too. Okay, wait, 698 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 1: see the thing I'm like SAMs games, well Sam Sam, 699 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,240 Speaker 1: like Sam, as we've said before, fetishize a straight culture. 700 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: So that's the tension of this podcast is like he 701 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 1: hates it, but you know, and at this point, now 702 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 1: that I feel more mature and more that I know 703 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: who I am, I feel like I play a drinking 704 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: game and have like a real blast with it, as 705 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,720 Speaker 1: like a retro approach to a game. Whereas like before 706 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: I was like I'm doing this because I feel like 707 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: I have to. But now I'm like, Okay, well now 708 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: I could do it and not feel like I need 709 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: to pretend to be them. I could do it in 710 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,800 Speaker 1: my own way. That's fair ownership over the game. I'm like, 711 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: I'm intrigued with Melissa what you're saying that, Like, basically 712 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: any shortcut is a cop out, and like part of 713 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,919 Speaker 1: being a person is finding a way to be I've 714 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 1: are funny or charming or interesting or educate or you know, 715 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: finding something to teach someone like you need to pull 716 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: your weight. Yeah, and like you have to find socializing 717 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 1: is simply part of the human experience. And if you 718 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 1: don't know how to do it, you can't need a 719 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: game in order to like, yes, to make a human 720 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 1: connection and listen, I'm not above shortcuts. I am a 721 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: person who loves drugs. You know. It's like it's not 722 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: like we're like go and dry, go and bone dry 723 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: and figure out you know what I mean. It's like, 724 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: you know, fine, but like I think, if if you're 725 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,399 Speaker 1: the person who's always bringing games out, there are things 726 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: that we need to uncover. There's some things that we 727 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: need to like really look at. Why are you scared 728 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: to be in a room without a game? You know? Yeah, 729 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: you like the comparison of games and drugs, Like rather 730 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: than bringing coke and being like, oh god, like he's 731 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,319 Speaker 1: who do you want to hang out with? The person 732 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: who brought coke or the person who brought the apples 733 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:04,800 Speaker 1: to apple You're gonna where you're gonna the next party? No, 734 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: I unfortunately, I'd rather do the other one. But I've 735 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: been Yeah, I've been reflecting on whether or not that's 736 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: a good thing. Like I feel the same way I judge. 737 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: I judge the game people, and I'm like I judge 738 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: people that are like I have like one beer and 739 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 1: we can play a board game. I'm like, no, we're 740 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: doing shots and we're like listening to music too loud, 741 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: Like yes, but it's like maybe they have something right, 742 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: Like no, I'm in a moment of self doubt coming 743 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,760 Speaker 1: from fair. But here's the other thing, like how often 744 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: are we really like actually making plans to get together 745 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: to be at someone's home, Like all of those like 746 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:53,360 Speaker 1: elements coming together. I'm like, let's like dig in, you 747 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I want to find out 748 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 1: if you're boring. I want to find out if you 749 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: like have no opinions and have nothing to say, you know, 750 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean, even if it's less fun than like you know, 751 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 1: playing it or whatever. It's like, you know, investigative journalism. 752 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 1: Let's like how well your broadcast journalism background is coming 753 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: out once again and again again. I can't. I definitely 754 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: when it's someone I haven't seen in a while and 755 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: it's be like a special hanging, I will get like 756 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: piste off if we're playing a game, it's like we 757 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 1: need to catch up. Stop making me do that. To 758 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 1: be honest, I kind of feel similarly. I mean, we 759 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: can break down drugs another time, but with weeds specifically, 760 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 1: sometimes I feel similarly when I'm like, wait, we haven't 761 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: seen each other in three years, and you want to 762 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: smoke weeds? Something that literally will make me like less 763 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: interesting and less like alert and more lethargic. Like that's 764 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: so lame. Yeah, that's fair. I I feel like it. 765 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 1: It has a similarly like sedating effect. And I think, Melissa, 766 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,840 Speaker 1: to your point, like it prevents someone from actually showing 767 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: their full self rather than being additive and extend and 768 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 1: accentuating their true self. Yeah, Whereas I think, like if 769 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 1: you're and I'm not advocating for everyone drinking all the time, 770 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: it's not just alcohol, but like there are other things 771 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: you can do that like actually bring out parts of 772 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 1: yourself that wouldn't otherwise come out rather than hide them 773 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 1: because you're reading literally like Hitler's dick. Yeah, And I 774 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: think in some ways you can find out too much 775 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: about someone, especially if you're playing with like strangers and 776 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: like they're losing their mind over Hitler's stick, Like, now 777 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 1: I know you in a way that I didn't intend to, Like, 778 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: just tell me what your job is. Well, don't even 779 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 1: get me started on when people cannot George you know 780 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: how I feel about knowing what people's job is. I don't. 781 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: I don't like it either. I'm just like I actually 782 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 1: do need people to like come, like when I am 783 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 1: meeting you or seeing you for the first time in 784 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: a year, like tell me where you're living, like what 785 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 1: your job is, and who you are dating, and then 786 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: we can like move on, Like yeah, like I need 787 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,479 Speaker 1: to know the facts before we just like play a game. 788 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: And I hate when people like assume you know already 789 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,440 Speaker 1: or like are like think it's I think it's boring 790 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: to talk about that stuff because I'm like, no, that's 791 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: how we get Like you have to be able to 792 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 1: tell me those things and then we can get to 793 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: know each other on like a personality level. But you 794 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: need to know where you're coming from A little interesting. 795 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,919 Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna set the opposite, but don't 796 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: you feel like then you're stuck in a conversation where 797 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: someone has to explain like dividend trading. No, because it's 798 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 1: up to you to like run like ask the follow 799 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 1: up questions. So if you aren't, like I've always wondered 800 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 1: about dividend trading, like you can just be like okay, 801 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,919 Speaker 1: like and mostly this is when it's like an old 802 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: friend is what I'm thinking of. Like if I see 803 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,879 Speaker 1: like a college friend now and it's like, okay, I'm 804 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: just tell me the things about you so then we 805 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 1: can be friends again. But I can't like just pretend, 806 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: like I can't like talk about Will Smith slapping Chris 807 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: Rock for like an hour about like knowing if you 808 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: are like married. Now that's fair, That's what you're saying 809 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,919 Speaker 1: is very thirties. It's very like you need to put 810 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 1: the person in a box. I just need to know 811 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,279 Speaker 1: where I'm coming, where they're coming from, and just yeah, 812 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,440 Speaker 1: I don't know why that's I'm obsessed with it. That's fascinating. 813 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,239 Speaker 1: I think in the opposite, I think I like the 814 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,359 Speaker 1: like we don't know where anyone is, And I think 815 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 1: that comes from me avoiding saying that I'm a comedian. 816 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: I think that's where that like just starts off. Also, 817 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: I never understand what anyone's job is, which is a 818 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,320 Speaker 1: huge flaw in my part, Like consultant or something vague 819 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 1: like that. Like, I'm like, even really good friends that 820 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,839 Speaker 1: I have, I don't I have no idea what their 821 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,479 Speaker 1: god was, and I don't know. I like that. Something 822 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,400 Speaker 1: I kind of like is when you're at a party 823 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: and you're talking to someone you don't know anything about them, 824 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: and then someone pulls you aside or you you're like, oh, 825 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,960 Speaker 1: who is that guy, and then someone's like, oh, yeah, 826 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 1: they're Olivia Wild's assistant. Isn't that crazy? I love learning 827 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 1: something like second hand after and having a secret that 828 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:10,239 Speaker 1: I know this while talking to them. Yeah, that's like love. 829 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,520 Speaker 1: That's truly my favorite, especially in New York where you 830 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,800 Speaker 1: only never know what you're gonna get. I don't know. 831 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,040 Speaker 1: I want everything to be above board. I need to 832 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,719 Speaker 1: know what I'm working with. You know what, if I'm like, oh, 833 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,840 Speaker 1: I don't like the direction of of Vogue these days, 834 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: and I'm and I'm talking to this woman and someone says, hey, 835 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:39,800 Speaker 1: that's Anna wint No funny if you were if you 836 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,920 Speaker 1: were talking to Anna Wintour and did not know about it, 837 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,239 Speaker 1: and you were talking about how you don't like the 838 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 1: direction of Vogue wearing sunglasses, she looks so much shorter 839 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: in person, and you're like, okay, your look at serving 840 00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:05,800 Speaker 1: Anna Wintour. She's like, thank you, thank you. Something that 841 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,239 Speaker 1: actually like that happened to me recently where I met 842 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 1: this girl at like a house party. She seemed perfectly normal, 843 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, very pleasant to talk to. And then I 844 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: left and it was do you remember when someone wrote 845 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,359 Speaker 1: an article and the headline was Hot Girls Drink Whole Milk. 846 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 1: It was about how like milk is making a comeback, 847 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,799 Speaker 1: comeback after like everyone was getting almond milk and oat milk. 848 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,960 Speaker 1: Girls are now ordering whole milk. Okay. So I left 849 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 1: this party and the person I was with goes, that's 850 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,239 Speaker 1: the girl that wrote the Hot Girls drink and she 851 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,319 Speaker 1: was telling me she's been getting like death threats over 852 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:45,960 Speaker 1: it from like animal rights activists. Oh no, oh my god, 853 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,080 Speaker 1: that's really funny. I love that wouldn't have changed the 854 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,640 Speaker 1: conversation had you known. But that's the thing I'm like, 855 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of like it's I like 856 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,440 Speaker 1: the the excitement of it, like that you never know 857 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,279 Speaker 1: what this person could be, especially when it's like, Okay, 858 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,320 Speaker 1: this party is hosted by let's say Sam, So I 859 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,759 Speaker 1: know Sam, you know is in comedy. I know he's 860 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: a writer or whatever. Anyone could be at his If 861 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 1: I haven't met someone at this party, maybe it's someone 862 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 1: that he was coworkers with at uh you know, when 863 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 1: he was writing for Summer. Maybe it's someone he knows 864 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 1: through someone else. You know. It's like fun, Yeah, sure, okay, 865 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,439 Speaker 1: but what about when it's like a party. Okay, let's 866 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: say like it's more removed, Like what if it's what 867 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 1: if it is a college friend having a housewarming in 868 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,719 Speaker 1: days era, and so you're meeting all these people who, 869 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,959 Speaker 1: like you, have no context for I see what you're saying. 870 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,719 Speaker 1: It's like when I'm at that girl. It's like when 871 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,319 Speaker 1: I was telling I met that girl at a party, 872 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 1: somehow found myself talking about our podcast for a half 873 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 1: hour and then I was like, what podcast do you 874 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 1: listen to? And she said pod Save America. Yeah, that's 875 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,600 Speaker 1: what if I'm at one of those parties, I'm assuming 876 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,320 Speaker 1: everyone works in advertising, if they're not married, they're close, 877 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,560 Speaker 1: and like, you know, it's I think that you can 878 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: you're safe to assume I'm the weirdo here, like no 879 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:13,640 Speaker 1: one you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you love you 880 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 1: love putting labels on things. There's nothing wrong with that. 881 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's reactionally inconservative. I don't need I don't 882 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,880 Speaker 1: I simply don't care what the answer to the question is. 883 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: I just think it's helpful to know, because even like, 884 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's like like, I just think 885 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 1: the small talk gets a lot easier when you have 886 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 1: that as an option, Like, if you are interesting their job, 887 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,600 Speaker 1: you can ask about it, and if you're not right like, 888 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,320 Speaker 1: because if you're having a conversation, you just don't know 889 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,880 Speaker 1: what to talk about, you know what. What it seems 890 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,080 Speaker 1: like to me is that you're basically making a game 891 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,280 Speaker 1: out of small talk. You're like, there are questions answered. 892 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: Sam loves a game. No, my goal is conversation, and 893 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,319 Speaker 1: sometimes there's conversational chores that have to be figured out, 894 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 1: and you have to do a little cleaning, get the 895 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,240 Speaker 1: colub webs out, and then make use of the space. 896 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,719 Speaker 1: To your point, I think what you're saying is like, 897 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 1: society is a game. Where where are we starting? Where 898 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 1: we start at a very guilded age? Where are we starting? 899 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,879 Speaker 1: You know? How long have you lived on sixty one three? 900 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,839 Speaker 1: This is you know? And I get that, No, that's 901 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,719 Speaker 1: so actually how I do see it? Yeah, And so 902 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,840 Speaker 1: that's why a game night it's artific. It's it's avoiding 903 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 1: the real game by playing exactly exactly in society, being 904 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:41,480 Speaker 1: a game is actually Gay's is gay, But games that 905 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 1: are trying to distract you from society being a game 906 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,560 Speaker 1: are strange. Great. Yeah, wow, that actually really works for 907 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,879 Speaker 1: that tracks and I'm fully on board. Have you ever 908 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,320 Speaker 1: had a night where you've been like gaming with friends 909 00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:09,200 Speaker 1: and you've like transcended and it's been the positive experience? Wow? Yeah? Wow, um, okay, 910 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,239 Speaker 1: loud and clear, you think so? I mean again, it's like, 911 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,040 Speaker 1: if there's one god, there is something about like if 912 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,279 Speaker 1: you're going away, let's say you're going upstate with a 913 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 1: group of friends. Here's where games can be interesting is 914 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:29,279 Speaker 1: let's say it's the morning and people are like hungover 915 00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:34,680 Speaker 1: drinking coffee. People's mental capacities are not at It gives 916 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,640 Speaker 1: you something to do, and you've already gotten to know everyone. 917 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,800 Speaker 1: You no longer need to prove your interesting and so 918 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,400 Speaker 1: you're kind of just like sleep walking through the midday. Okay, 919 00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,920 Speaker 1: I can put myself there a little bit. Yeah. I 920 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,760 Speaker 1: can't think of a time where well, I have laughed 921 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,400 Speaker 1: a lot playing my head's up game that I keep 922 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,680 Speaker 1: bringing up. I giggled a lot, but I don't think 923 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:04,239 Speaker 1: that spent a time like I remember playing Settlers of 924 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:11,560 Speaker 1: Catan and purposely not learning the rules and antagonizing everyone 925 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,920 Speaker 1: in the It's the only time I played. I think 926 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,640 Speaker 1: I ended up winning somehow too, and everyone was so 927 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,759 Speaker 1: angry and like because I was doing things that didn't 928 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,640 Speaker 1: make sense or whatever. And that was fun for me, 929 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,759 Speaker 1: But I don't think that was like a nightmare for 930 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,279 Speaker 1: everyone else as one dated me. Everyone needed and that 931 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,480 Speaker 1: was the time where like I didn't know a lot 932 00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,000 Speaker 1: of people. It was, Yeah, it was absolutely joker, but 933 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,800 Speaker 1: I found that fun. Um, I have a I have 934 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,880 Speaker 1: a metaphor for what games are or something. Okay, ready, okay, 935 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,800 Speaker 1: hear me out. Okay. So, like dogs, when you have 936 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,280 Speaker 1: an aggressive dog, you can take it for a walk 937 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,680 Speaker 1: with a dog, and then when the dogs are off 938 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,479 Speaker 1: leashed together, they will get along, or it's more likely 939 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,320 Speaker 1: that they will get along because they will feel like 940 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,560 Speaker 1: they're part of the same pack. And I feel like 941 00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,360 Speaker 1: games provide that for people where it's like they do 942 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,760 Speaker 1: something together where they like don't even realize their bonding, 943 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,200 Speaker 1: but then by the end of it, they're like, well, 944 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,200 Speaker 1: now we've completed this thing together, so we are friends 945 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,080 Speaker 1: and we can work as teams. Yeah, I mean, I 946 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,840 Speaker 1: think it is a way to It's like if you 947 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,799 Speaker 1: have two students that are not cooperating and give them 948 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 1: a group project. Right. But I feel like most games 949 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,600 Speaker 1: are usually like for yourself, Like, I feel like it's 950 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,320 Speaker 1: rare that it's like, I mean, I'm sure there's some 951 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,520 Speaker 1: like team games we like even like bowling or something 952 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,560 Speaker 1: I think creates a level of like animosity. Sure the players. 953 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,600 Speaker 1: I just think it's like, Okay, you have nothing in 954 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:41,680 Speaker 1: common with this person. Well now you have one this game, right, 955 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,719 Speaker 1: this horrible experience that we're all enduring being this game. 956 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,160 Speaker 1: But generally, yeah, it's definitely a straight thing, and it 957 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,200 Speaker 1: is a it's a and I hate to be rude 958 00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,759 Speaker 1: towards them, but it is like a boring thing exactly. Yeah. 959 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,800 Speaker 1: I think you know, a challenge all our listeners is, 960 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,799 Speaker 1: next time someone suggests playing a game, set them down 961 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,880 Speaker 1: and explain that life is a game. Yes, don we 962 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,480 Speaker 1: figure out who's going to make more money in the 963 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,279 Speaker 1: next five years. Let's talk about that. Let's talk out 964 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:22,120 Speaker 1: of taxes and by asking what their jobs are. Are 965 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,960 Speaker 1: we ready for a last segment? I feel like it. 966 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,200 Speaker 1: I feel like I mean society being the game. I 967 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,759 Speaker 1: don't think we'll top that. I agree. I do want 968 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,440 Speaker 1: to say I thought about charades. I was like, because 969 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,120 Speaker 1: charades would to the untrained, Sharaides is a red herring 970 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,480 Speaker 1: because you think Scharides is gonna be gay because we're 971 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,480 Speaker 1: acting something out. It's actually the straightest of them all, 972 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:54,600 Speaker 1: Like it's co opted. It's like completely that's the only 973 00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: time that straight people, I think, can feel really alive 974 00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:02,800 Speaker 1: and perform is under this eyes of you. Right. Well, yeah, sharades, 975 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,960 Speaker 1: I mean like many things like weddings, even it's like, oh, 976 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know I could do this. I'm allowed to move. 977 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:10,920 Speaker 1: It's the equivalent of like getting in the middle of 978 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,520 Speaker 1: the dances are going, which is that's the straightest thing 979 00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 1: you can do well. Sharades is also like invented to 980 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,600 Speaker 1: make a couples fight, and that is very straight and 981 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,560 Speaker 1: actually not only sharades. That is a big part of 982 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:32,760 Speaker 1: game night. The vibe of game night is tension between couples. 983 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,759 Speaker 1: It's like where you go when there's already tension and 984 00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,960 Speaker 1: you really want to just break up totally. You're saying 985 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,399 Speaker 1: earlier about settlers of Catan and like sort of being 986 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,880 Speaker 1: like an obstacle on purpose. I feel like, as like 987 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,799 Speaker 1: not straight men, we are already put in that role 988 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,000 Speaker 1: so often when playing a game with straight men because 989 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,000 Speaker 1: they already know the rules, they already care a lot 990 00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,480 Speaker 1: about it, and they know how to do it well. 991 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,439 Speaker 1: And so even if you're trying to learn, sincerely, you're 992 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,280 Speaker 1: like kind of in the way, and so there isn'ting 993 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,200 Speaker 1: just like leaning leading into it and being like, you 994 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,960 Speaker 1: know what if I'm the problem, that I'm going to 995 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,319 Speaker 1: be a problem exactly? Actually, can I say something about 996 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,279 Speaker 1: what you just said about them knowing the rules? This 997 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,680 Speaker 1: is something that bothers me so much. When did everyone 998 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,080 Speaker 1: learn the rules to everything? How do people know rules 999 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,160 Speaker 1: to card games? It actually made it drives me insane. 1000 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, I didn't have some crazy childhood where I 1001 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,080 Speaker 1: grew up in a cult, Like why didn't you know? 1002 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,960 Speaker 1: Why don't I know these things? Where if the families 1003 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,240 Speaker 1: and my mom's like the family which my mom is 1004 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,919 Speaker 1: the middle of five sisters, take that in they are big, 1005 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,800 Speaker 1: they play one like weird rummy game that's just like fights, 1006 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,200 Speaker 1: like like I would not be surprised if someone got 1007 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,760 Speaker 1: slapped like over the Like it's a funnel four tension 1008 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,400 Speaker 1: of any kind. So if your family played card games, 1009 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,840 Speaker 1: let me just say, what are you running from? Yeah, 1010 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:03,080 Speaker 1: exactly what our minds under there? Yeah, well I think 1011 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,400 Speaker 1: what's do her final? I mean, there's actually a lot 1012 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,760 Speaker 1: more to talk about because we can keep talking and 1013 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,800 Speaker 1: we don't have to. But I'm just like it's tough. 1014 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,960 Speaker 1: It's hard to cut off because i am like every 1015 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,480 Speaker 1: time we start to go off, I'm like, well, yeah, 1016 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,360 Speaker 1: there are so many Yes, I mean it is because 1017 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,840 Speaker 1: there are other things. There's like Monopoly, Like where does 1018 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,360 Speaker 1: that fit into all of this? Monopoly is the one 1019 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,920 Speaker 1: game where I'm like kind of interested in that, like 1020 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,120 Speaker 1: fake money. Well, it's life is a game made into 1021 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:36,120 Speaker 1: a game exactly, And that's actually the only cool thing. 1022 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:41,040 Speaker 1: It's comment is actually really cool, right, it's satires satire 1023 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,040 Speaker 1: as opposed to like, have you played like the game 1024 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,320 Speaker 1: of life like that? Actually it's just like that's two 1025 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,000 Speaker 1: on the nose. Just Monopoly is like you are a titan, 1026 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:56,360 Speaker 1: enjoy your power, And that's actually very fun. Yeah, that's 1027 00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:01,360 Speaker 1: actually very fun. You are a tight you bought up 1028 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,760 Speaker 1: all the homes in town. Your dad is drowning in debt. 1029 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,760 Speaker 1: You have put him out on the street. Have fun. Yeah, 1030 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:14,120 Speaker 1: send all of your dissenters to prison exactly. Yeah, well, 1031 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,960 Speaker 1: we'll have to do a game sport two because I 1032 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,520 Speaker 1: think there's just games is so broad. There's so much, 1033 00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,360 Speaker 1: there's so many different styles, and it's it's hard to 1034 00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,120 Speaker 1: paint with such broad strokes. And sometimes the games are 1035 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,640 Speaker 1: sometimes the games, well, like our sports games. That's another question. 1036 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:33,000 Speaker 1: Sports games are sports? Oh sure, sure? I thought like 1037 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:39,080 Speaker 1: fantasy football, which sports games? Our sports games? I mean 1038 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,280 Speaker 1: talk about This is the combination of everything I've ever wanted. 1039 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,480 Speaker 1: I wish I could. I wish I could one day 1040 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,640 Speaker 1: join a gay rugby team, but I don't want to 1041 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,040 Speaker 1: play rugby and I don't want to have to wake 1042 00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,360 Speaker 1: up on Saturdays. You just want to go to a 1043 00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,920 Speaker 1: sex party, and that's okay, those are out there. But 1044 00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to be like, I want to have like 1045 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,520 Speaker 1: a flirty daytime of then first and then it turns 1046 01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,720 Speaker 1: into something really sexy. Yeah that sounds great. Yeah, I 1047 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,680 Speaker 1: mean even like regular teams when I was like playing 1048 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,560 Speaker 1: tennis in high school and not but it turned into 1049 01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,160 Speaker 1: an orgy. But it was like I don't want to 1050 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,120 Speaker 1: be there for when we play the sport. That was 1051 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,360 Speaker 1: like a huge bumber, Like it was just fun to 1052 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:25,200 Speaker 1: like hang out the bus and like chill. Yeah. Yeah. 1053 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,200 Speaker 1: It's interesting how all so many events are really just 1054 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,160 Speaker 1: about like creating little things for you to travel to 1055 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:38,800 Speaker 1: and from in order to feel good. Absolutely, absolutely, Okay, 1056 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,200 Speaker 1: we let's start final, say all right, our final segment, 1057 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,800 Speaker 1: Melissa is, pays tribute to a classic of straight culture, 1058 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,160 Speaker 1: the radio shout out, which you may be familiar from 1059 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,800 Speaker 1: your days as a broadcast journalist. And so what we 1060 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,880 Speaker 1: do is we each give a shout out in the 1061 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,960 Speaker 1: style of t r L and the style of z 1062 01:00:56,120 --> 01:01:00,560 Speaker 1: one Z Morning Zoo and to something that we want 1063 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:08,160 Speaker 1: to uh shout out um iconically. I do not have 1064 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,840 Speaker 1: one today, Sam, do you. Yeah, I'll go. I'm going 1065 01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,080 Speaker 1: to think of one in the next two seconds. Okay, 1066 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,200 Speaker 1: what's up, everybody across the globe. I want to give 1067 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:24,720 Speaker 1: a huge, deep shout out to the target I went 1068 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,840 Speaker 1: to in Minnesota. I was in Minneapolis this week and 1069 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,760 Speaker 1: I went to Target. And this is the target that. 1070 01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,480 Speaker 1: You know, my family moved every two to three years 1071 01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,200 Speaker 1: growing up. And going into this target that was by 1072 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,840 Speaker 1: my cousin's house that I have been to. Oh on 1073 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,760 Speaker 1: Christmas is past to sort of cash in on some 1074 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,200 Speaker 1: gift cards. Oh, it felt like coming home. I said, 1075 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,880 Speaker 1: I've been to this target before. That's where I bought 1076 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,920 Speaker 1: Best of Oasis. That's where I looked at. I don't know. 1077 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:59,480 Speaker 1: The PlayStation three that's where I. Um, you get it, Um, 1078 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,040 Speaker 1: you get at it. I don't know. I've when you know, 1079 01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,240 Speaker 1: when I go into a Midwestern target, I feel at home. 1080 01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,560 Speaker 1: I feel like I could be anywhere on Earth, and 1081 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,400 Speaker 1: I feel an immense sense of calm. And also, damn 1082 01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,160 Speaker 1: they keep things clean over there. It's kind of crazy 1083 01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,960 Speaker 1: when you get used to end my city to be 1084 01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:25,680 Speaker 1: in a rural, not rural, suburban Minnesotan shopping center. Oh, 1085 01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,440 Speaker 1: it's heaven on Earth and take me back, bury me 1086 01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:37,040 Speaker 1: at Target XO x so saying, um stunning, Okay, I 1087 01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,280 Speaker 1: couldn't try to do one. Um, what's up Freaks and Geeks, 1088 01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:44,720 Speaker 1: the iconic underrated show. I want to give a quick 1089 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:49,320 Speaker 1: shout out to zooms Blur, your background feature. I've been 1090 01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,400 Speaker 1: a skeptic of this feature for two years, and in 1091 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,360 Speaker 1: fact I still am. However, the other day I was 1092 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,720 Speaker 1: in a meeting with upwards of thirty people. It was 1093 01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,360 Speaker 1: a union meeting for my job, and I thought, I 1094 01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,160 Speaker 1: don't want to these people to know what my apartment 1095 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,240 Speaker 1: looks like. So for the first time ever, I found 1096 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:07,120 Speaker 1: a blur my background feature and pressed it. Suddenly I 1097 01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,640 Speaker 1: am Andy Circus and Lord of the Rings, having got 1098 01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,080 Speaker 1: this on my face doing c G I work. Suddenly 1099 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,680 Speaker 1: they're going to fix it in posts. Suddenly I am 1100 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,080 Speaker 1: living in the twenty second century Zene on the z 1101 01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:21,720 Speaker 1: Equal and I thought to myself, why in the past 1102 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,520 Speaker 1: have I always tried to make my apartment meat just 1103 01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,160 Speaker 1: to be on Zoom when there was the option to 1104 01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,200 Speaker 1: literally not have it be visible. People can think I'm 1105 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,240 Speaker 1: living in a giant mansion in bel Air and so 1106 01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,840 Speaker 1: and so. From now on, I'm a blur. I'm a 1107 01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:46,400 Speaker 1: hashtag blur. Bitch. Bless up Melissa, whenever you're ready. All right, Hey, hey, um, 1108 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,560 Speaker 1: this is a big shout out to all of the 1109 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:55,560 Speaker 1: fifteen minute grocery deliveries in my neighborhood. Um, one of 1110 01:03:55,640 --> 01:04:00,520 Speaker 1: you recently deceased fridge no more funded by such money. 1111 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,560 Speaker 1: They can't get over here. We miss you. That means 1112 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,960 Speaker 1: I am spending so much more money at Guerrilla's at 1113 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,360 Speaker 1: get Her. I haven't been to a grocery store. It's 1114 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,600 Speaker 1: got to be six to seven months. That's because of you, guys. 1115 01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Today I got grocery delivered eight minutes. 1116 01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,000 Speaker 1: That's a new record, trying a different Presuto brand that 1117 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,600 Speaker 1: you guys just put on. I'm excited about it. We'll 1118 01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,120 Speaker 1: see how it goes. Um Yeah, big chawles new to 1119 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:32,000 Speaker 1: the Italian sharkuter resection of gorillas. How are you keeping 1120 01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:36,280 Speaker 1: that so fresh? It's only a literal storefront, no bigger 1121 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,160 Speaker 1: than my own home. Thank you guys for all that 1122 01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:43,200 Speaker 1: you do. Love your number one fan, Melissa. Oh my god, 1123 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:47,400 Speaker 1: I would love delivered to my doors. I know, I've 1124 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,600 Speaker 1: always felt confused about those delivery apps, and now I'm like, 1125 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,040 Speaker 1: it can't be good. It's got to be evil. Especially 1126 01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:55,919 Speaker 1: when that one got shut down. I was like, yeah, 1127 01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,560 Speaker 1: it's not why not have that be the future. It's 1128 01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,600 Speaker 1: only let's find a sustainable way to do it. Just 1129 01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:06,000 Speaker 1: do it kind of. I always tip a lot because 1130 01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,880 Speaker 1: I'm likes. Not that I'm a hero, but I'm like, okay, 1131 01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,720 Speaker 1: you know how every time there's an inconvenience, suddenly I 1132 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,160 Speaker 1: become a social scientist and I'm like, time is money, 1133 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,640 Speaker 1: and this is how much it is. But I'm like, okay, wait, okay, 1134 01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,040 Speaker 1: so I'm not going to and from the grocery store. 1135 01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:24,360 Speaker 1: That's got to be worth absolutely so i might as 1136 01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,720 Speaker 1: well give that money directly to the to the person delivery. 1137 01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,120 Speaker 1: And it doesn't seem like they're marked up that much 1138 01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,600 Speaker 1: like grocery price wise, maybe a little bit, but like 1139 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,919 Speaker 1: not that. I am sure some of them are evil, yeah, 1140 01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,520 Speaker 1: and we will do our best in the future to 1141 01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:44,720 Speaker 1: not use those companies. Yeah, just tell us who you 1142 01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,880 Speaker 1: are if you're evil, if you're actually that's a really 1143 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,960 Speaker 1: good point. If a company is evil, they should just 1144 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,560 Speaker 1: say it. It was literally so much, and then I'll 1145 01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,040 Speaker 1: make a choice from there. We'll see. My god, it's 1146 01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:00,720 Speaker 1: if you're evil, make make some noise, seriously, put it 1147 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,760 Speaker 1: on your website, yes, because then the bad you'll still 1148 01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,680 Speaker 1: get business, like the bad people will. Most people don't care, 1149 01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to tell you, and the evil people would 1150 01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,640 Speaker 1: be like, yes, this is me. You can be like 1151 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,600 Speaker 1: re you know, reclaimed by Ben Shapiro and you know 1152 01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,440 Speaker 1: you actually it'll be better for your business, So just 1153 01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,640 Speaker 1: do that and then we can. Yeah great, we'll solve 1154 01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,760 Speaker 1: that one. Yeah great. Well, well, Melissa, this has been 1155 01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:28,000 Speaker 1: a dream. Yeah, thank you so much for doing the pod. 1156 01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,320 Speaker 1: See you at the next game night, Yes, can't wait. 1157 01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:36,520 Speaker 1: I'll host, all right, bye bye bye