1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Andie Martinez in Real life podcast. This episode and conversation 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: is powered by a DUSA. Hi guys, we are back baby. 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: It is another edition of Edgie Martinez IRL Takeaways. These 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: are the episodes where we These are audio only episodes 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: where we discuss our past interviews and so our last 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: interview was with Tiana Taylor. I'm here with my show producer, Brittany. Brittany, 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: what can you say about Tianna Taylor? 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: Like many of you, I was introduced to Tiana a 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: super sweet sixteen and then she just never left my 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 2: site after that. 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: I know it's great, but she said, she was like, 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: you grew up right in front of me. I grew 13 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: up right in front of you. That wasn't just for me, 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: that was like all of us, like the whole industry 15 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: and world kind of watched her as that young girl 16 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: then evolved and have all these amazing moments in her 17 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: career and this moment that she's having now with this 18 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: new movie she's in. She just actually hit the carpet 19 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: at met Gala. She was eating Chick fil A at 20 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: met Gala. You know, she's just a kind of an 21 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: it girl. She always has been where people just want 22 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: to watch her and see what she does, and she's 23 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: entertaining and talented and all those things, but I feel 24 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: like I got to know her in a different way. 25 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: And even knowing her all these years and even interviewing 26 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: her these years, I don't ever feel like I got 27 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: to know her and the way we got to know 28 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: her on this episode. I think I feel like almost too, 29 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: that she got to know herself a little bit in 30 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: this episode, like in real time. 31 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: She was definitely unpacking in real time with you, sitting 32 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: down talking about things that she's never even probably even 33 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: talked to herself about in full. 34 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: We did ask her right after the interview how she 35 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: felt about it. Here's what she said, Ooh, I feel 36 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: a slew of emotions, but I think I hit on 37 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: a lot of things that needed to be shared for 38 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: maybe other people who has been through what I've been through. Yeah, 39 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: so she was okay with sharing, But even then I 40 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: could feel like she was I don't want to say 41 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: freaked out, but a little like, oh what did I 42 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: just say? Or what do we just talk about? Like 43 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: I felt like she felt a little vulnerable. What do you 44 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: always call that? Vulnerability? Hangover stole that right from Brene Brown. 45 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: That's a real thing she talks about, which I feel like, 46 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: sometimes you know, you gotta be vulnerable. We know this 47 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: and it helps. That's how you share your story. Other 48 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: people learn from your story. But sometimes after you feel 49 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: like a little naked. I feel like she felt like that. 50 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to hug her after the interview. I'm like, 51 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: I wanted her to be like, it's okay. So if 52 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about our takeaways from the episode. For me, well, 53 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: number one, I'd never heard about her father before, right, 54 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: And so she opened up about her dad and her 55 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: stepfather and having that type of trauma, and it then 56 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: becoming like abandonment issues for her. And then afterwards I 57 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: was told that she really actually never talks about her 58 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: that ever. I don't think she planned to talk about 59 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: it either. I think it just came up when we 60 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: were talking about the hurt that she felt in her career. 61 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: She felt like she wasn't protected. She said, I feel 62 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: like I had abandonment issues. And then I asked about 63 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: where they came from. And here's what she said about that, 64 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: what is the abandonment issues from? Because your family is around. 65 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: But my mom was a single parent. My biological pops 66 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 3: was in jail like thirteen fourteen, here's my life thirteen. 67 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: He was something like that. And so even with that, 68 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: you know, before my mom found true love and happiness, 69 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: was just both loved bow money and that's who bo is. 70 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: But like before you know, bout really came around and 71 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 3: we got super duper close. You got to think about it, 72 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: like coming from that not really having a dad, and 73 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: then you know, another figure in my life wound up 74 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: getting murdered, you know, the closest thing. And that's why 75 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 3: my pops, my pops are still locked up. So I 76 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: had to be part of about like eleven twelve, my 77 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: mom's uh at the time was murdered, and that she 78 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: just took me down, you know what I'm saying. So 79 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: my biological pops coming out of jail, us trying to 80 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: build a wayship, we just kept clashing. We were clashing 81 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: because it's like you got out thinking you was about 82 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 3: to like tell me how this ship run. And it's like, bro, 83 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 3: you've been like for dumb long. You don't even know 84 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: how to work the steering wheel, like you you fee 85 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, yn't even know how to work the 86 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: gap that chair what the fuck is you talk about? 87 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: You call him dad or were not first name? 88 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 3: But the crazy what about it is I wanted that 89 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: figure so bad that, yes, when he first got out, 90 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 3: I was excited to say dad until he got me 91 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 3: fucked up a little bit, you feel me. So then 92 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: it was just like being signed, getting signed to to 93 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 3: a man. You know, it was like a figure to me, 94 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, oh my god, Like 95 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 3: you know, I looked at these people like figure, you 96 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Whether it was as a as 97 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 3: a dad or as a brother, it didn't matter. So 98 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: it was like you didn't see me when you didn't 99 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 3: hear me, you didn't protect me. You just kind of 100 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: just like fed. 101 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: Me to the wolves. That's heavy stuff, any I mean, listen, 102 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: Daddy issues come up all the time in this podcast, 103 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: so that's when people tap into that it is not 104 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: something that is like just a throwaway that's like the 105 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: core of people's trauma a lot of times, the core 106 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: of people's you know, like abandoned issues things like that. 107 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: So the fact that she talked about it this day, 108 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: I think was like the main point of like her vulnerability, 109 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. 110 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 2: In the movie, she plays her a mother who she 111 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: says it's her first like serious role. The movie is 112 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: called one thousand and one if you haven't seen it, 113 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: she's out. 114 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: So good in it. 115 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: It's her first serious role. And she says that a 116 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: lot of the trauma that her character experiences in the 117 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: film forced her to take a look at the trauma 118 00:05:59,080 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: in her own life. 119 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: She came to that concluded, Yeah, so she's probably thinking 120 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: about it and doing that work. And then this interview 121 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: happened and she kind of just opened up about her 122 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: dad and her stepfather and having all that trauma and 123 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: having the abandonment issues that would then lead her to 124 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: feel unprotected in this crazy music business that she stepped into. 125 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: And now, mind you, she's fifteen years old and signed 126 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: to Pharrell and looking at him as like a father figure. 127 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: And I could tell that she was scared to talk 128 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: about this because, you know how like the blogs and 129 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: just the way social media treats stories. I could tell 130 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: that she didn't want this to land on Pharrell's lap 131 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: in a way that was disrespectful. I could tell that 132 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: she was concerned about, you know, how he would receive. However, 133 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: her words came back so She was very careful about 134 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: how she said it. She made sure to say how 135 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: grateful she was for Pharrell, and she talked about the 136 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: conversation that the two of them had and how therapeutic 137 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: it was. Let's share some of that. 138 00:06:54,080 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 3: Actually, no matter how I felt when when I was younger, 139 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 3: like none of these doors would ever open if it 140 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: wasn't for Pete. So one thing about me is I 141 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: just know how to give thanks, you know what I'm 142 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: saying to the people who has blessed me. So it's 143 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: like with him, it's why I hold him on such 144 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: a high postsuit because I didn't I didn't have a dad, 145 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And he enjoyed me bragging 146 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: about him, like, you know, calling him dad because maybe 147 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: something that he wanted, you know what I'm saying. 148 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: He wanted he wanted. 149 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 3: Kids at the time really bad, and maybe he was 150 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: in whatever space he was in, but it was clearly 151 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 3: the emotional space for the both of us. And it's 152 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: just I don't know. My mom always told me to 153 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 3: be grounded and just be thankful for people that are 154 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: blessings to me. So it's just like even it is 155 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: mad if I was hurt I was a mom, so 156 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: I had learned patience, I learned grace, I learned you know. 157 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: So it's just like I was really hitting him up 158 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: to just like saying thank you, you know what I'm saying, 159 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 3: for everything, because also knowing him as well as I 160 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: know him, it wasn't the thing that you did on purpose. 161 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: You didn't purposely not protect me, you know what I'm saying. 162 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 3: It might have been a thing where like you like, 163 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: you know, he's so gentle, you know, and just kind 164 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: of just like let everybody push him off the way. 165 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: And I guess for me, that fifteen year old, that 166 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: girl just needed you to fight a little harder, you 167 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, needed you to maybe push even 168 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 3: if you didn't have the strength to. I just needed 169 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: you to push for me more. I love that. 170 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: She says that she had the conversation with Farrell at 171 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 2: a high point in her career. She had just gotten 172 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: what she calls the biggest moment in her career. She 173 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: was in the Fade video for Kanye So good. She's 174 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: she's getting new opportunities, brand deal. 175 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: Hot Girl, let her She's popping trending topics, trending topics, 176 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: popping she killed that video. Everybody's like ooh, ooh, Tiana Tianna. 177 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: And then she's like, look, Pharrell, like I want to 178 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: talk to you about a few things, like I'm super 179 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: grateful for you. You know, I felt disappointed in this 180 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: whatever that she didn't share the d tells of what 181 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: the conversation was, but I could tell it was like 182 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: healing and and you know, both of them. I hope 183 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: Pharrell got wind of this and in the way that 184 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: it was meant to be delivered, you know, because I 185 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: saw some of the blogs pick it up and the 186 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: wording of the captions wasn't exactly true to the full 187 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: picture of what she was saying. It was like, you know, 188 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: Tiana Taylor has uh. It felt like she wasn't protected 189 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: when she was signed to Pharrell. And then the headline 190 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: stops right there, But that's not really the story. The 191 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: story is that this fifteen year old girl sign signed 192 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: to this superstar and she had daddy issues, abandonment issues, 193 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: and she signed to him thinking this person's going to 194 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: protect me as a young girl, and didn't always feel 195 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: like that, but she had so much respect for him, 196 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: so much love for him. She admits that she doesn't 197 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: know maybe some of the challenges that he was going 198 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: through at the time in terms of how he was 199 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: carrying her. There's just a lot of respect there and 200 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: a lot of love there, and a lot of care 201 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: even how she was telling the story. And I just 202 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: hope that it is sent to Pharrell that way, because 203 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: it's a shame when you're trying to get something out 204 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: and then you know, they pick it apart a little bit. 205 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: I hope he sees that and this and this pushes 206 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: Kanye to have that next closing. 207 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: Because she did. She did say that in the in 208 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: the in the conversation that her and Kanye still have 209 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: one But what I loved is what she said. She 210 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: said she hasn't spoke to Kanye yet. She said a 211 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: conversation needs to be had. She's also very I feel 212 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: very disappointed on how her being on good music wound up, 213 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, uh being, But again, she was careful. She 214 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: didn't want this to become like a headline on a 215 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: blog where she's like bashing him, So she did say 216 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: she wanted to have a conversation at some point. But 217 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: I did like that she said that she's already accepted 218 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: an apology. Sometimes you have to accept apologies that you 219 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: never know, that was a bar, that was a bar. 220 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: Just display that little part right there in this life. 221 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 3: Just be willing and ready to accept apologies that you've 222 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: never gotten, you know. And I think that that's where 223 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 3: I am. And like even just down with the conversations, 224 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 3: Like I know, I want to have a conversation, but 225 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: I've accepted the apology a long. 226 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: Time ago before you even get it. 227 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And that's why I'm able to blossom and 228 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: I'm able to continue to move gracefully and I'm able 229 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 3: to be blessed and have a great relationship with God. 230 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, continue to have a great heart, 231 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 3: and to continue to walk on my path and just 232 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 3: understand and take things for what it is. 233 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: That's how you be free. Because sometimes if you hang 234 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: your freedom on somebody else's ability to be self aware 235 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: and apologize and all those things, you'd be waiting for 236 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: the rest of your life. So sometimes you have to 237 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: just be self aware enough for everyone and accept apologies 238 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: that you haven't got. That's real closure, right there. Whoof 239 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: I hope she gets it, though, I hope they get 240 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: to a point. I mean, I don't know where Kanye is. 241 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: In the world, and I don't know if it's I 242 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: don't know if I'm hopeful for that really unfortunately. Yeah, yeah, 243 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: and I don't see that happening for her. So I'm 244 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: glad that she's she got it already. Yeah, she's making. 245 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: It for herself. She got that already. I thought. Another 246 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: interesting part of this, well, two things. Two of my 247 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: takeaways that I'll always remember from this conversation. One because 248 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: she is a tough cookie. She is the egg yeah 249 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: egg line. I like that because even her coming in, 250 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I wonder what we're going to 251 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: talk about, because she's so like, you know, she's tough 252 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: and she's guarded, and she's like she's not this like 253 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: sophomoshy girl that talks about all her feelings all the time. 254 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: So I was like, it's gonna be interesting to see 255 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: how this conversation goes. But she's like, Yo, I actually 256 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: am not that tough. Here's a clip of that. 257 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 3: But that's another thing that I do kind of feel 258 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 3: like is maybe a little bit misunderstood. I'm actually just 259 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: really an egg. I look hard and you just kind 260 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 3: of tap me on the table a few times. I'm 261 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: just yoke. 262 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: That's me, you know, and I love that about you. 263 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: So but then when I tell you I see you today, 264 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: I see that. Yeah, it doesn't make me. 265 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 3: Say that very just beautiful judge. Yeah, I've been judged 266 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 3: of like people just thinking like she aggressive, she hard, 267 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: so I know she probably over there, and it's just 268 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 3: like I've been judged with that when people probably think 269 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 3: that I was doing or probably think I said or 270 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 3: what was easy to believe. And it's like, I'm actually 271 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: like a fucking ball of marshmallows, you. 272 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. Like I'm most people are. 273 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, but forced to be in 274 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 3: a survival mode, you know what I'm saying, just just 275 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: being a black woman navigating life. 276 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: But aren't we all like that? Am I an egge? 277 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: Am I an age too? 278 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 4: Not? 279 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: Really, I'm like a boiled egg. Say that. I'm like, 280 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: you gotta peel and peel, and you gotta peel because 281 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to let you know. No, you won't know, 282 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: you won't. But I'm not a hard boiled egg. I'm 283 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: like a soft boiled egg. It's in there because if 284 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: you get in there, you can kill me, you could 285 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: take me down, but I've definitely got some shells of 286 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: protection on top of me. But I love that analogy. 287 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 4: Because I feel like that's all really at the end 288 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 4: of the day, all of that is just us protecting 289 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 4: ourselves from getting hurt, disappointed, you know, embarrassed, all the 290 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 4: things that make us feel vulnerable. 291 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: He knows one hell of a job of keeping it 292 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: behind the curtains, though, because you really don't ever sign. 293 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: I didn't know she's saying it. You're like like an egg, 294 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: no idea, You're like a ball of marsh. She said, marshmallows, marshmallows, Tiana. 295 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: But I get it. So a lot of people are 296 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: like that anyway, So I like that part. And I 297 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: also one of the other takeaways was I don't know. 298 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: We were talking about the ups and downs of her 299 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: career and the roller coaster ride that she's been on, 300 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: where she like, you know, you're fifteen, you signed the parrella, 301 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: you're at the peak, and then nothing happens. Then you 302 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: know this, you signed to good music, and fade comes 303 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: out and everybody's like, yo, she's fire, and then nothing 304 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: happens and you have all these false starts. But it's 305 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: very hard to get excited. You know, if somebody comes 306 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: knocks on your door and goes, oh, you've always wanted 307 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: to be a writer. Here, this book publisher is going 308 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: to give you a deal, and you're like, oh my god, 309 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: my dream come true. Right, and then the publisher never 310 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: puts your book out like and so if that happens 311 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: to you a couple of times in your life, you 312 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: can feel it's almost like scorned. Yeah, like you don't 313 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: want to get excited, she said, she doesn't. She's not 314 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: easily impressed. Yeah, she used the word impressed. But I 315 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: take that as like, you don't like, it's not you're not. Yeah, 316 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: I'm not impressed. I'm not excited. I'm not I'm not 317 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: even allowing myself to be fully happy because I don't 318 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: believe in it until I see it all the way. 319 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: And I'm definitely like that. Good or bad, I don't know. 320 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm aware that I'm like that. I 321 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: don't know if it's good or bad, but I'm aware 322 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: due to so many years in this business and things. 323 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: People make promises all the time. They know it. People 324 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: sometimes know what you want and they will make you 325 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: feel feed you what they think you need and think 326 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: you want to hear it, and it doesn't really land 327 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: in a the end result being that, and so then 328 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: you you build up a skin and you become cautious. 329 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: So I think to some point it's probably it's just 330 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: a protection mechanism, but I think no, But there is 331 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: a sadness to it, right because then you're not sure. 332 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: You can't really be happy when something and how do 333 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: you know if the next time is the time? 334 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: If it keeps happening to you. 335 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: It's like that little kid one says that from a 336 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: broken home and they're like, your dad's gonna pick you 337 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: up on Saturday. Three, take you to this Take I 338 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: went somewhere. I always go back to daddy issues. Your 339 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: dad's gonna pick you up and take you to the park. 340 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: And the kid gets his baseball glove out and the 341 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: dad doesn't show. After the fourth time that the dad 342 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: does this, you're like, Okay, I'll see you when you 343 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: get here. You're not going to be like you're come 344 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: in great. 345 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: Definitely. 346 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: You get you get burnt, and you get heart a 347 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: little hard and thick skinned, and you learn to protect 348 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: yourself from getting excited about things that don't come to fruition. 349 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: So I think it's kind of like a I definitely 350 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: went a little dark with it, but you do understand 351 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But then where's the joy do you 352 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: allow yourself then? Just like right now in this moment, 353 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: in this movie, the way her her role was being perceived, 354 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: even what's next for her, she's doing stuff now with 355 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: I mean, she's created, direct thing, directing all types of 356 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: cool stuff. Like, I hope she's allowing the space to 357 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: be happy in it in the moment, because I think 358 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: that's the answer, right, even if it's like something you 359 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: dream about happened happening doesn't happen all the way, I 360 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: hope you can be happy and fully enjoy all the 361 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: beautiful little steps that are happening in between. Does that 362 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: make sense? Absolutely enjoying the journey? Yeah, I hope she's 363 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: enjoying this moment. She's that one hell of a journey. 364 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: Though this year even has been great for even just 365 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: this year alone, I hope she's enjoying it. I hope 366 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: she's not being too bottled up and to protect where 367 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: she's not allowing that in. 368 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 2: I know we're getting positive, like we're but something that 369 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: really hit me in the interview when you're about to 370 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 2: go dark. 371 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I just felt it. 372 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: Man, Like, you know, I'm young, I'm trying to cultivate 373 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: what my career is going to look like with producing, 374 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 2: and you know, what's going to be the what's the 375 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: right next step for me? 376 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: And women empowerment. She has this part where she's like, 377 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: it's a fluke. 378 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: I'm starting to think it's not real talking about how 379 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 2: she came into the industry and Beyonce, you know, it 380 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 2: was such a light for her, and then everything after that. 381 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: She didn't have the best experienced experiences with women, and 382 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 2: I think I could say for a lot of women 383 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: my age in any. 384 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: Line of work, like. 385 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: It's not always a positive result. 386 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 3: It's not. 387 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: After the brunch, after the women's history empowerment brunch, there's 388 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 2: no good looks after that. It's or you bump into 389 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: people who are more seasoned than you, who maybe don't 390 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 2: want to help you because they're threatened, or just a 391 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: number of things. So it's it is hard to find 392 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 2: genuine people who want to help you with nothing in return. 393 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: I love that what she decided to take away was 394 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this example that Beyonce gave me, and 395 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna lean on that, and I'm gonna know that exists. 396 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna know women supporting me in an honest and 397 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 1: true way exists. And I'm gonna hang on to the 398 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: fact that I've had that experience with Beyonce as opposed 399 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: to letting all the other experiences kind of like make 400 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:48,239 Speaker 1: me feel away about everyone. Thank you, Tianna, because I 401 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: was going down. You were absolutely you have good women 402 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: around you were talking about. 403 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: No, I do shout out to Angie, shout out to me, 404 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: shout out to shoot But but but when I'm trying 405 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: to network even laterally, this is one of my favoriteies 406 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 2: of quotes. 407 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: We've talked about this other day. 408 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's hard to find. 409 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: You gotta sift through a lot of peers, your peers, women, peers, through. 410 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 2: A lot of bs to get that good, genuine gen Yeah. 411 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: But that's yeah, Yes, that's just what it is. Like, 412 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: That's just life. It's like friendships. You can't go befriend. 413 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: If you walk into a room of two hundred people, 414 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: the percentage of people that you will genuinely connect with 415 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: and genuinely conform form some type of real friendship or 416 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: kindred kind of it's slim. So why would you think 417 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: that is like bigger than that in any other space. 418 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: I mean, women should support each other obviously, but I 419 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: think find your tribe, find the three or four that 420 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: you can rely on, that you could call, that could 421 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: point you in a direction, and then you're good. You 422 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: don't need a hundred of them. You don't need fifty, 423 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: you don't even need twenty of them. You need two 424 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: or three solid ones that you can rely on and 425 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: to be your Beyonce. Find your Beyonces. Good good luck, 426 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: good luck everybody. That's the end of the takeaways today. 427 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: Our takeaway is, go find you a Beyonce in your life. 428 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: Find you that one person that lets you hang on 429 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: to the hope that that good energy and that good 430 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: supportive nature does exist. It is out there. And thank 431 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: you to Tianna for a great episode. Thank you for 432 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: trusting us, thank you for just you know, leaning into 433 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: your vulnerable and just open side. And I think people 434 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: resonated with it by the comments and stuff. You guys 435 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: seem to love this conversation from her. I know her fans. 436 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: I saw a lot of her comments from her fans, 437 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: and so We thank you guys for watching. If you 438 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: haven't seen the full interview, you can do that now. 439 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 1: It's on my YouTube page, Edgie Martinez IRL. Please make 440 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: sure you subscribe. And that's it. We're in a zone now. 441 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: Next week we got a new episode dropping on Wednesday, 442 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: also somebody very interesting and exciting to talk to. And 443 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: then the week after that we'll do a takeaway that one. 444 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: And that's how the Rollout's gonna go from now on, right, Brittany, Bam, 445 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: bam bam. Thank you guys for listening.