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Speaker 1: that like him and have liked him. Welcome into Northside Territory.

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Speaker 1: Foul Territory Networks. Cubs Podcast. I'm Sahadem Sharma with my

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Speaker 1: partner Patrick Mooney, were your Cubs beat writers over at

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Speaker 1: the Athletic and today we have a reunion Brett Taylor

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Speaker 1: the show. Old podcast co host. Brett and I used

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Speaker 1: to do a show I mean probably before the Athletic existed,

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Speaker 1: is no longer happening, and it's we kicked Brett out

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Speaker 2: I showed up to the showed up to the podcast

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Speaker 3: Like, Jesus, you're clearly the diva of the podcast trio,

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Speaker 3: you know, not unlike a certain former star player with

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Speaker 4: I think that would be you.

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Speaker 2: Know, you guys didn't have too.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Sammy Sosa did return the Cubs convention. Brett, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would say I'm not just the

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Speaker 2: wrong word. Feeling is simple about like just wanting to

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Speaker 1: Moving forward so real quickly. At one point, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those are always harder to predict, like who's actually

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Speaker 2: getting ramped up, do you play Matt Shaw at second base?

432
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Speaker 2: Do you disrupt that work he's been doing at third,

433
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Speaker 2: Because if you've got a guy on the bench that

434
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Speaker 2: you like at third, you know, if they signed Moncata

435
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Speaker 2: and they're like, well, let's give him a chance to

436
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 2: bounce back, well, you're not gonna put him, I think

437
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Speaker 2: I do. I just wonder if the Cubs are going

438
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Speaker 2: to be willing to just immediately bounce Shaw back to

439
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Speaker 2: second base, even if he's been doing work at third,

440
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Speaker 2: and even if his path is at third base, because

441
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: if you don't have Nico, well you still have to

442
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Speaker 2: make do with your best option at second base.

443
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like Mattshaw as a prospect. I've heard the

444
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 4: same things you guys have of just like a really

445
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 4: mature dude who's like obsessed with baseball. I think that

446
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 4: comes across when you talk to him and talk to

447
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 4: people around him. This is kind of getting into that

448
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 4: area though, where I think people get caught up in

449
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 4: the Cubs convention optimism of like Christopher Burrell can play

450
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 4: third base, and you know how they've supplemented their bench

451
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Speaker 4: in recent years. Look, everyone has misses in these areas,

452
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 4: but the you know, the Trey Mancinies, what was it,

453
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 4: Jonathan Vr, like just those types of guys, And that's

454
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 4: not where a front office, you know, should be judged on.

455
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Speaker 4: But within the constructs the Cubs have created for their team.

456
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 4: This sort of like around the CBT, but probably won't

457
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Speaker 4: get there until the end of the year, assuming the

458
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Speaker 4: team is in contention and we add at the deadline.

459
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Speaker 4: It's like they're and son off. You and I were

460
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 4: talking about this, like the margin for error here for

461
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 4: this front office, and I know I'm zooming out here,

462
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Speaker 4: but it's a lot of Mattchaw's got to be really

463
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Speaker 4: really good. Peek Armstrong and Michael Bush cannot have a

464
00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 4: sophomore slump, our two goal love. Middle infielders have to

465
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 4: recover from season off season surgeries really really quickly. And

466
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 4: you know that's not even getting into you know, the

467
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 4: rotation which was like exceptionally like healthy and productive in

468
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 4: a weather aided home portion of the schedule, and a

469
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 4: bullpen that hasn't really been fixed yet. And so that's

470
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Speaker 4: why I like, I think you can like Matt Shaw

471
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Speaker 4: sort of in the abstract, but also look at it

472
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Speaker 4: like they got a ton of work to do before

473
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Speaker 4: they get to Mason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't disagree, like this isn't a like

475
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Speaker 1: Matt Shaw is the answer as much as it looks.

476
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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, and your your story did not come arounds

477
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Speaker 4: that way. It was just like that was the story

478
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Speaker 4: you had to write that day. It was just more

479
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 4: like some of the other stuff going around the team

480
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Speaker 4: makes you like that.

481
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Speaker 1: No, it's why, it's why, if I you know, it's

482
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Speaker 1: why there should be frustrations about the inability to get

483
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: Alex Bregman right, Like they can't get they can't sign

484
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: out Bregman because they have these artificial restrictions in place

485
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: with their budget, right, and they don't act like a

486
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Speaker 1: top five market. They are spending close to the luxury tax. Uh,

487
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Speaker 1: and that that's going to put them if they even

488
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Speaker 1: end up there. I mean, where's that going to put them?

489
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Speaker 1: Like eight in baseball? That's not where they should be,

490
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: Like it just shouldn't. I Like I I've been saying

491
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Speaker 1: this for multiple years. They need to be a top

492
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Speaker 1: five payroll year in a year out. It's just how

493
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Speaker 1: it should be. They make so much money. They're the

494
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Speaker 1: one of the biggest tea franchises in all of sports really,

495
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Speaker 1: and it's just you know, it should be Yankees, Mets, Dodgers,

496
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Speaker 1: Red Sox, and Cubs. You know, in whatever order that's

497
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Speaker 1: going to be, Mets and Dodgers are going to be

498
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Speaker 1: at the top, right just the way things work right now.

499
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Speaker 1: But like, there's no reason they shouldn't be right there

500
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Speaker 1: with the Red Sox behind the Yankees. But that's not

501
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Speaker 1: that's not the reality. They're living in this runt offices

502
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: living in so they have to try and find ways

503
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: to like, like like you said, the margins, they're working

504
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: within these margins, so they have to find extra value.

505
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: It's probably why Jet is obsessed with saying things that

506
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: drive everyone nuts, like outperform projections and the marginal value

507
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: of a win and all this stuff like that's not

508
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: that's not what anyone wants to hear, but it's just

509
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: what they have to do. That's that's what they're working.

510
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Speaker 2: With, solving for wins. They're solving for wins.

511
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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think we'd be remiss not to note some

513
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 2: of the comments from Tom Ricketts this weekend and multiple

514
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: places including The Athletic, about spending and about what seemed

515
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: to be his frustration that, from his perspective, fans don't

516
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: appreciate the financial difference between the Dodgers, for example, and

517
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: the Cubs. And that's He's not wrong. The Dodgers have

518
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: a uniquely ironclad TV deal from a different era that

519
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: is completely well funded that is just a transformative thing

520
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 2: for their revenue. Now. Of course, they've used that wisely

521
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: to generate even more revenue by winning games and becoming

522
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: very popular and bringing in stars. But that's not a

523
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: path available to the Cubs. The Yankees are sort of

524
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: always on a different tier, and the Mets have Steve

525
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: Cohen backing with off field money. But as you said,

526
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Speaker 2: even if we agree and you push aside those three,

527
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: I think there's still some fan frustration that the Cubs

528
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: aren't necessarily spending where the Phillies are or the Rangers are,

529
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Speaker 2: where the Giants are, Like, these are peer organizations in

530
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: terms of what the market should generate, and I think

531
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: that if it's true that the Cubs can't, then there's

532
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: some questions that need to be asked about, are you

533
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: actually monetizing as well as you could? Are you bringing

534
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: in revenues as well as you could? Where are those

535
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: revenues coming from? Are they then being they don't count

536
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: as as baseball revenues and so they can't be used

537
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: for baseball ops And we're never going to get answers

538
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: to these questions, you know, But I don't think you

539
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: can have it both ways. You can't be opaque, because

540
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: all organizations are going to be opaque on this stuff.

541
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: They I get that, But you can't be opaque and

542
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: then be frustrated when fans are like, well, why aren't

543
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: you spending like these teams? Sorry, we're gonna be frustrated.

544
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 2: And that's just how it's gonna be, how it's been

545
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: since time immemorial.

546
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Speaker 4: Honestly, I don't think he Rickets is even that frustrated

547
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 4: with it. To be honest with you, like he says

548
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 4: these things matter of factly, and like I talked to

549
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 4: him Friday, he did some more media, I guess on Saturday,

550
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 4: but he's essentially said the same thing before you if

551
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 4: you track, like if you just created Google doc and

552
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 4: his quotes from almost every Cup's convention, you know, in

553
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 4: the last several years, it's Steve Cohen is like the

554
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 4: rich Stoner in baseball and the Dodgers have and in

555
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: saying TV deal like that's that's been sort of asked

556
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 4: and answered, And I think the issue is that payroll

557
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: sort of been flat if you go back to like

558
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, like it has not risen at a time

559
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 4: when the Phillies just decided to spend more that was

560
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 4: an ownership choice. You have Steve Cohen coming in for

561
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 4: a time, you had the Padres just totally kind of

562
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 4: reimagining what that market could be. The Rangers went for

563
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 4: it and then won their World Series and sort of

564
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: backtracked after win the World Series and their TV deal collapsing.

565
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean that's a valid criticism of why

566
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 4: hasn't it gone to that other level? I just think

567
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 4: too that they give themselves these wiggle room, Like I

568
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 4: imagine they had signed Tanner Scott yesterday, you know what

569
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 4: I mean, Like he would have said that Saturday, and

570
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 4: then Sunday they could point to, oh hey see look

571
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 4: at this, and I do think they will wind up

572
00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 4: around that CBT level. I think it. It's certainly frustrating

573
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 4: why it has why they essentially have to prove it

574
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 4: in the first half, or why they have to wait

575
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 4: until prices to drop closer to spring training, or why.

576
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: The CBT level is definitely the ceiling.

577
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Speaker 4: I mean, there's right, that's a choice, like they've just chosen.

578
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 4: It's now they run their business like I think, like

579
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 4: anyone who's followed this team knows that this is just

580
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 4: how it works. And so I think when we try

581
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 4: to talk to him, it's figuring out, Okay, what does

582
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: this mean right now? If we're looking at this window here,

583
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 4: like we've ruled out bragmant like that just number is

584
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 4: not going to work there. You can do other things.

585
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 4: And that's why I think it's it was interesting because

586
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 4: I think this bodes well for Jed Hoyer to be

587
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 4: honest with you, like they can't, you know, finish in

588
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 4: last place. But if they get to like eighty six

589
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 4: wins and you see a lot of good things from

590
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 4: but they just missed the playoffs for whatever reason. If

591
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 4: you're the he's running the team the way they want.

592
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 4: And now I'm not saying that you know Jet's perfect

593
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 4: or that the Ricketts priorities are always in line, but

594
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 4: like they're all sort of on the same page here,

595
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 4: even council, Like it's still getting more resources than he

596
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 4: did in Milwaukee. Like it's probably not everything he wants,

597
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 4: but it's he's still in a better spot your year

598
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 4: financially than he was in Milwaukee. Obviously, Carter's entire professional

599
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 4: baseball experience was in Cleveland before he got to Chicago.

600
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 4: And then you have an owner who sets the budget,

601
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 4: which is not as high as anyone would want because

602
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 4: you always want more if you're in baseball ops. But

603
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 4: then again, if you're jed, you have an owner who

604
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 4: doesn't like tell you what to do, who's not meddling,

605
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 4: who's not going behind your back and talking to agents

606
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 4: or trying to trade players or close deals. So it's like,

607
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 4: unless they're willing to kind of blow everything up, this

608
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 4: is kind of how they run their team, and maybe

609
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 4: I'm too close to it, but that that was kind

610
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,719
Speaker 4: of my main takeaway from this weekend on that topic.

611
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so there's there's so there will always

612
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: be fans that complain about payroll, right, like spend more

613
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: and more and more and I and I get it,

614
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: like that's that's fine. I'm not going to dismiss those complaints.

615
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: I think my my issue with it would stop if

616
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: you were like around two sixty, right and and like

617
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: kind of in that Padre's Phillies, whoever else the non

618
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: you know trio of Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, if you're just

619
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, in a in a group with Phillies and

620
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: Rangers and whoever else it may be at that time,

621
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Speaker 1: I think that makes sense to me. I think that's

622
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: where they should be. It's not the reality they're they're

623
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: playing with. So we kind of have to analyze it

624
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: in in our own way occasionally bring this up in

625
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: my opinion, as mean, we can bring it up on occasion,

626
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: but like dwelling on constantly is just like it's like

627
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: what are we doing here? Like we need to move

628
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: on at a certain point and actually talk about the

629
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: baseball and and kind of analyze how does Jed doing

630
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: with what he has to work with? And I think

631
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: that's that's the best way to try and look at

632
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: this beyond you know, saying this is this is our

633
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: criticism of ownership. That yeah, that's just generally how I

634
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: how I look at it. I think that's not too

635
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: dissimilar from you Patrick, And.

636
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 4: Just to think to be clear, just one quick thing

637
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 4: as I pulled it up on like the ESPN story

638
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 4: from the CBT last year, like the Braves should not

639
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 4: have a payroll that's like thirty five million dollars more

640
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 4: than the Cubs, and like the Astros should not have

641
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 4: a payroll that's like twenty five million dollars more than

642
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 4: the Cups. Like that is silly. I am just curious

643
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 4: to see how they respond to some of this, Like

644
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 4: is do they see, Okay, we got Kyle Tucker, They're

645
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Speaker 4: willing to go to this level for Tanner Scott, Like,

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Speaker 4: will they apply a little more, We'll ownership apply a

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Speaker 4: little more pressure. Will the front office ask for a

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Speaker 4: little more where they push their chips in a little more?

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Speaker 4: In terms of trade, I still think there are those

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Speaker 4: like opportunities out there, but they don't get the benefit

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would I would just add to all

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Speaker 2: of that, there's a big difference between understanding how and

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Speaker 2: why the Cubs operate as they do and defending how

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Speaker 2: right right right right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think we all run into that is that we,

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Speaker 2: like you said, so, if we have to operate in

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Speaker 2: and sort of break things down that operate in reality.

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Speaker 2: And that does come off sometimes as though we're saying, well,

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Speaker 2: they don't need this guy's overpaid in this, but it's

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Speaker 2: it's because we too have to operate within the structure

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Speaker 2: that has been afforded to us, not unlike baseball operations.

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Speaker 2: And so I think sometimes it's fair for us, I think,

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Speaker 2: to acknowledge the criticism but then to move on quickly

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Speaker 2: from it because you know, there's nothing any of us.

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Speaker 2: And I guess I advise this to fans too, is

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Speaker 2: you're not going to change it. There's nothing that you're

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Speaker 2: gonna be able to do about it. You can stomp

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Speaker 2: your feet, you can vote with your wallet if you

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Speaker 2: think that'll do anything. It won't, and ultimately you got

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Speaker 2: to just decide if you can enjoy this version, and

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Speaker 2: so that's that's where I usually live.

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Speaker 4: I think one more note on that. I think I've

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Speaker 4: been thinking about this all weekend. The other the other

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Speaker 4: piece of this that can't be totally ignored is just

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Speaker 4: how they operated during twenty I'll come out of twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty the pandemic season like that is something they're still

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Speaker 4: paying cool right of trading you darsh and maybe oh

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Speaker 4: in case he helps us year, maybe they move him

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Speaker 4: in a deal, you know, before spring training. Theoretically I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: maybe that helps Major LEA team. They've got nothing to

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Speaker 4: have helped their major league team from the U Darvis

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Speaker 4: trade and that was what like five years ago, and

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Speaker 4: then non tendering College Schubert. We don't have to relitigate

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Speaker 4: that one, but that was clearly a decision based totally

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Speaker 4: on cuts to baseball operations and the lingering uncertainty like

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Speaker 4: when they had to make those decisions. So like that,

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Speaker 4: I think is the one like.

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Speaker 1: That one hurt.

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Speaker 4: I mean that really stuck and you know, hurt their

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Speaker 4: reputation and their credibility just in that one area. But

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Speaker 4: I think now you can look forward of like they

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Speaker 4: do have as Jed would say clean books, financial flexibility,

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Speaker 4: they've got great farms, a good farm system to trade

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Speaker 4: from a lot of guys, unreasonable contrasts. All of those

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Speaker 4: things are true, and that's why I think CUPS convention

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Speaker 4: is usually pretty interesting because there are all these different viewpoints,

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Speaker 4: kind of very much out in the open of people complaining, defending,

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Speaker 4: looking forward to spring training.

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Speaker 1: All right, Brett, thanks so much for joining us, man,

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Speaker 1: it was nice to get the band back together. This

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Speaker 1: was fun. Well, we'll have to try and make it

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Speaker 1: a little bit more regular. This I think we're I

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Speaker 1: think I touched in. This is episode eighty nine, and

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Speaker 1: this is only the first time you've joined us, so

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Speaker 1: we can't be once every eighty nine episodes. We'll have

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Speaker 1: to try and up that during the season and get

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Speaker 1: you on Thanks again, man. This is Northside Territory File

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Speaker 1: Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. Make sure to rate, review, subscribe

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Speaker 1: Brett's work over at Bleacher Nation. Make sure you read

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Speaker 1: Patrick and my work at the Athletic. There's gonna be

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Speaker 1: some more moves here, so we'll be on top of

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Speaker 1: that stuff and make sure you guys are well aware

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Speaker 1: of what's going on with the Cubs. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for listening. Everyone vanguage

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Speaker 4: On the le