Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have very
Speaker 1: special guest. Grammy Award winning producer sold over fifty million records,
Speaker 1: is probably over records. So rock Star producer rock Star
Speaker 1: is in the building.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 1: And self made? Self made, self made, self made to
Speaker 1: the max, to the max slept on floors. I've heard,
Speaker 1: I've heard the rumors. I'm so excited to have you
Speaker 1: in the building. And you're gonna have to feed me,
Speaker 1: of course, so what do you what are you gonna
Speaker 1: feed me?
Speaker 2: We're doing well my broke dish. Really this should be
Speaker 2: Eating while uh broke as hell if you want to
Speaker 2: add that as hell, because I was the ass hell park.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. But right now, this dish ray here is
Speaker 2: called ghetto cast role and it was the chicken top
Speaker 2: ramen mixed in with a turkey burger burger that I
Speaker 2: seasoned up, chopped up, put into the situation, mixed up
Speaker 2: and just changed the world with that guy me I'm
Speaker 2: talking about that had me full for you know, I'm
Speaker 2: talking about the whole day that pretty much was it
Speaker 2: to the point where people just started requesting, let me
Speaker 2: get some ghetto.
Speaker 1: Okay, oh you really named it that. That was like
Speaker 1: the coin name that you gave it back. I've never
Speaker 1: had ghetto cast role. I'm very I'm a hater of
Speaker 1: Ramen because we've taped over one hundred and twenty episodes
Speaker 1: and everybody, and I say even people be like I
Speaker 1: thought she hated ram I'm like, I can only block
Speaker 1: Ramen so much in a broke show.
Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: But when I see a Ramen with a flair, I
Speaker 1: really believe that the individual was probably, like you said,
Speaker 1: broke as hell. Yeah, you know, you had it so
Speaker 1: many times that you had to up it. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: start off popping it off. And while you're in this
Speaker 1: kitchen cooking, I want you to take me back to
Speaker 1: what was going on when you was broke as hell?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean there's just so many years of
Speaker 2: being broke as hell. Like, which part of being broke
Speaker 2: as hell did you want to have the conversation about,
Speaker 2: because you know, I mean, I come from absolutely nothing,
Speaker 2: so I was broke as hell the whole time.
Speaker 1: Where are you from originally?
Speaker 2: So I'm from like Los Angeles of course. So California.
Speaker 2: But I've lived all over South Central, all over Inglewood,
Speaker 2: all the trash this I'm like, yeah, but first you
Speaker 2: gotta like you gotta. If you don't do that, it
Speaker 2: don't even taste the same. But we're gonna put that
Speaker 2: over there, because that's what that's gonna be at. I
Speaker 2: lived all over South Central, Inglewood and all over LA
Speaker 2: everywhere in La all you know what I mean, and
Speaker 2: then also all over the valley too, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So yeah, yeah until that. My parents were
Speaker 2: married until I was about twelve and then they split.
Speaker 2: So right when I turned into a teenager and started
Speaker 2: going outside, it was yeah, I was dolo, okay.
Speaker 1: And then did you also always know you were going
Speaker 1: to get into music?
Speaker 2: You know? Nah? Not really. I thought I was going
Speaker 2: to be an actor, which I ended up being on
Speaker 2: love and hip hop and different stuff. It's kind of
Speaker 2: a version of acting. But I started off, you know,
Speaker 2: coming out, you know, and like my my, my mom
Speaker 2: put me into acting and I was the stand up
Speaker 2: comedy champion at Lave Factory for like three years with
Speaker 2: Jamie Massada. So Jamie Masada, which was the left he
Speaker 2: put me in and I was young, but I was
Speaker 2: so good that him, Paul Rodriguez and all of them
Speaker 2: put me into the adult camp and I was like ten,
Speaker 2: so ten eleven, twelve, ten eleven, twelve, and like yeah,
Speaker 2: the beginning of thirteen, I was, I was, I was
Speaker 2: doing the stand up comedy. Okay, he as a kid,
Speaker 2: and then that got me into like some national commercials
Speaker 2: and a couple of teacher Like I start figuring out
Speaker 2: like dang, what's a Coogan account? And obviously being broke
Speaker 2: as hell. My parents were also broke as hell, so
Speaker 2: that Cougan account got cooganed, that got cooked.
Speaker 1: I thought that all that money was supposed to protect it.
Speaker 1: It is supposed to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't work because my dad had the same
Speaker 2: name as me, so he just absolutely mangled wapped my account.
Speaker 2: By time, whatever I had built was whenever I had built,
Speaker 2: it was saram bag. So I did all that work,
Speaker 2: but it was still a good experience, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So, yeah, there's a rap.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was it a shocker that you lost the
Speaker 1: money or did you kind of know it was going
Speaker 1: to disappear?
Speaker 2: Well? I know, I knew. I knew that I came
Speaker 2: from the type of appearance like I know what it was.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You know, when you grow
Speaker 2: up and you like, I'm probably not gonna never see
Speaker 2: this money. By the time I get to this money now,
Speaker 2: I was hustling. I was already out in the streets
Speaker 2: hustling young. So like even when I was done out
Speaker 2: and I just was out there hustling dolo to the
Speaker 2: point where by the time I was like fourteen fifteen,
Speaker 2: I was like making so much money just doing different
Speaker 2: whatever I was doing. And then I was giving my
Speaker 2: mom money, and like they were separate. So I get
Speaker 2: my mom here, take some bands, and she like, how
Speaker 2: you got bands in you? Fourteen fifteen? And I'm handing
Speaker 2: her money. So I was like it was a little
Speaker 2: weird because I always was a hustler. I get straight
Speaker 2: to it. However, it go like ever since I was young,
Speaker 2: I was selling candy or selling this. You know, I
Speaker 2: go to ninety nine cent stores, go home, go to
Speaker 2: the school, sell sugar, Daddy, sell the sell that. So
Speaker 2: I was always doing something. I was always hustling. I'm
Speaker 2: the hustler, Like you come get me when it's time
Speaker 2: to hustle. We don't figure it out. Thus, years later,
Speaker 2: obviously multiple companies, and but but it came from you know,
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing. So but for like I I was doing
Speaker 2: good on the hustle, and then I started getting kicked
Speaker 2: out of the schools that I was hustling in, so
Speaker 2: then my money started dropping back down. Whatever, And there
Speaker 2: I was, I was, I was. I was cooking the
Speaker 2: ninety nine cent store. However that was happening different situations.
Speaker 2: Said I was just going viral when be in here
Speaker 2: just saying I was doing anything. But we was doing
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff. Then I get the bread, I
Speaker 2: get the can't do whatever situation was, and then we'd
Speaker 2: go run it up, run it up, run it up.
Speaker 2: However that happened, and then and I'd be selling it. It
Speaker 2: to be all profits, so I'd be making like one
Speaker 2: hundred something a day. Then I started baking. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 2: when I'm thinking about all the things I'm talking about hustling,
Speaker 2: this shit kind of self incriminated. When I started thinking
Speaker 2: about all this stuff I was doing, liked, am I
Speaker 2: supposed to break that down? Just know I was, because
Speaker 2: I was, I'm like, damgn, I started. I'm like, by
Speaker 2: the time I'm done, y'all be like, dangn we should
Speaker 2: probably cut that out because I was doing all kinds
Speaker 2: of I was hustling, I was running plays, I was
Speaker 2: in licks. I was doing all kinds of stuff. And
Speaker 2: we don't want to go through all that. Don't even
Speaker 2: tell aboutself, but I was. It was It was unusual.
Speaker 2: When I got sixteen, I was out the house, like
Speaker 2: my mom. They just I was moving around so much.
Speaker 2: They was like, you want to be grown. Shit hit
Speaker 2: the streets. So I was sleeping in the car. I
Speaker 2: bought it myself a car, start sleeping in a car.
Speaker 2: Like sixteen, I was hustling nobody. My mom and them
Speaker 2: didn't even know I had any talent besides the you know, accomy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because my sister, she was a singer and she like
Speaker 2: the first American idol, and so she they was on
Speaker 2: whatever she was on. I was just in the cut.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, obviously the way I look, I might
Speaker 2: have cut have been a supermodel or something. But if
Speaker 2: they wasn't thinking about that, it was like.
Speaker 1: Whatever the hell, Like your parents attention switched to her because.
Speaker 2: Oh it's been I switched. It was always her. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she was always like the one, and then she's super dope.
Speaker 2: That's my like that, that's my heart. She was always
Speaker 2: like just super anointed singing wise, and so she always
Speaker 2: had opportunities and different things going on. And yeah, I
Speaker 2: just so should I start cooking? Oh yeah, you gotta
Speaker 2: dump that in. But then we gotta get the season
Speaker 2: and so anyway you gotta throw a little season and
Speaker 2: so on there, because it ain't never been a black
Speaker 2: dish without seasoning.
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm about to.
Speaker 2: Say, what is this we're talking about? Oh but what
Speaker 2: was I saying?
Speaker 1: You were talking about your sister was annoyed?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, she was doing her thing right. She was.
Speaker 2: She was winning, She had like she she was doing
Speaker 2: a lot of she was doing amazing. She was winning.
Speaker 2: She won like I think of three hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: on one show and another. She's like her voice's next level,
Speaker 2: always been. And so they just was kind of on
Speaker 2: whatever she was on.
Speaker 1: And it was just the two of y'all. As far
Speaker 1: as family, I got four four siblings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's yeah, yeah, that's the gang. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you know they ain't. Nobody thought I was doing They
Speaker 2: thought I was the fuck up. They like this nigga
Speaker 2: is failing every class you know what I'm saying. They
Speaker 2: like outside in the streets, he just they just knocked
Speaker 2: this nigga out. He just went to jail. And then
Speaker 2: we heard these industry it's all kind of shit. I'm
Speaker 2: doing all kind of stuff when I was younger, so
Speaker 2: they like, dang, they like he he ain't dot. So
Speaker 2: nobody had faith in me. But you know, you know,
Speaker 2: I was kind of like always very good or a
Speaker 2: master at whatever it was I did. So, like the
Speaker 2: crump movement was heavy, so we were like the pioneers.
Speaker 2: I was like the main one of the main people
Speaker 2: out here who was in the mix like and kind
Speaker 2: of created that frequency. So I was like we were dancing,
Speaker 2: and dancing got me in a lot of different rooms too,
Speaker 2: just because I was always so good like flipping, tumbling,
Speaker 2: everything that just was super vicious at dancing. So you know,
Speaker 2: coming from Tommy to Clown into the crump movement and
Speaker 2: then it being you know, that's when b too, that's
Speaker 2: when like you got served in that type of stuff.
Speaker 2: It was just the biggest thing on earth to know
Speaker 2: how to crump, to know how to so I was
Speaker 2: like in the front of that. So when I was
Speaker 2: out in the streets, Da Dad, I'd be doing that.
Speaker 2: I'll be doing smack DVD rat battles. That was another thing.
Speaker 2: Like my bar game was always crazy. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I was smack DVD rat battles. I was
Speaker 2: running around with like Shug and them type of people
Speaker 2: early when I was fifteen, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Run He had me battling it. I was in the
Speaker 2: mix early, super early. And then you know, I just
Speaker 2: start honing in on everything and I just took it
Speaker 2: to the next level. I don't know it started there.
Speaker 2: And then one thing I've always done is been real
Speaker 2: tapped in with God, like he saved me. I think
Speaker 2: that's because I would have got mangled to a bunch
Speaker 2: of them times. But He saved me so many times
Speaker 2: just with I felt a lot of grace and favor
Speaker 2: and situations because the people around me was getting molly wopped.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about I'm telling you they was getting molly wopped.
Speaker 1: So you're so sixteen seventeen. So you're sixteen seventeen. What
Speaker 1: is going on in the So you're doing the dancing.
Speaker 1: You went from comedy slash hustling to dancing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was always dancing even when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: There and you're still struggling. You're still like homeless, kind
Speaker 1: of sleeping in.
Speaker 2: Cars, yep, messed up, yep, running the doing a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of nothing. Go from couch to couch to car.
Speaker 2: And then my car broke down on me one night,
Speaker 2: actually because I was trying to stay warm. I was
Speaker 2: sleeping the car and I was trying to you know,
Speaker 2: when you be sleeping the car and then you're like, damn,
Speaker 2: it's a cold ass night. You try and hit the
Speaker 2: gas to like, I was so sleepy from whatever it
Speaker 2: was I was doing that I had fell asleep up
Speaker 2: under this little thing and I had hit the gas
Speaker 2: and I was trying to warm up the car, and
Speaker 2: I fell asleep with the car with my foot on
Speaker 2: the gas, and I woke up in exhaust, like the
Speaker 2: whole car was in exhaust fumes, and the engine was
Speaker 2: just rocking left and right. Whoa, and I'm like dang,
Speaker 2: and somebody hit my window like boom boom, like yo,
Speaker 2: get out the car, bro get out the car, and
Speaker 2: so I jumped out. He like, bro, you just stayed
Speaker 2: in that car. You was gonna die. The car was
Speaker 2: going to explode. Are you crazy? Like what do you
Speaker 2: got going up? And so that was a moment where
Speaker 2: I ended up having to, you know, like call my
Speaker 2: I think I called my dad and he lived in
Speaker 2: San Diego the time, and I was like, yo, like,
Speaker 2: I know, I know, y'all ain't the ones. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I know I don't mess with y'all
Speaker 2: on this, that and the third like that, But I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to It's either that or I'm gonna app
Speaker 2: I'm gonna like, I'm out the car now, so I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be on the street. So it's either that or
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be I'm about to have to go. I'm
Speaker 2: about to have to go level up like I was going.
Speaker 2: It was gonna turn into something else. I was gonna
Speaker 2: it was gonna go from the car to a next level.
Speaker 2: I was gonna go to the next level ship. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm just telling you, like early why this
Speaker 2: is gonna be. So he was like all right, man
Speaker 2: like man like, my my wife is this and it's
Speaker 2: just come whatever. And then I went to San Diego.
Speaker 2: And from when I got to San Diego, I stayed
Speaker 2: there for a little bit like six months and then
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, let's get back to it. So
Speaker 2: I went back to it. But you know, I skipped
Speaker 2: you know who I skipped. When I was in high school,
Speaker 2: I used to stay on my boy, Ruben Cannon's couch,
Speaker 2: which is Nick Cannon's younger brother, and so I had
Speaker 2: that was my best friend, Ruben and his brother Nick Cannon,
Speaker 2: and so he was getting all that, Like Nick would
Speaker 2: just put them up because they came to and so
Speaker 2: they had little apartment in the middle of Hollywood, was
Speaker 2: run down, but all of us it was like seven
Speaker 2: of us in one bedroom. It was all in there.
Speaker 2: But Ruben really looked out for me when I was
Speaker 2: younger too, like just he was a solid. That was
Speaker 2: one of my solid hommies. But Ruben Cannon, Ruben Cannon
Speaker 2: is one of the ones I can't. I don't know
Speaker 2: about everybody else, but Ruben that's.
Speaker 1: One of the ones. But yeah, one of my favorites
Speaker 1: by the way, personally, yeah.
Speaker 2: He's the one that's my brother like for him different.
Speaker 2: So like you know, I always like super appreciated when
Speaker 2: anybody did anything for me, because nobody did nothing for me.
Speaker 2: So we can, you know, let me go and you
Speaker 2: gotta get to it. I don't know if y'all can
Speaker 2: see this, but you gotta throw that on there. It
Speaker 2: ain't even you gotta get it well because that's where
Speaker 2: the flavors start acting different, because you know, when you
Speaker 2: get to cooking stuff, it be I'm just telling you
Speaker 2: how my ghetto care thro I was doing something else.
Speaker 2: It was a different conversation. What was what was we
Speaker 2: said you.
Speaker 1: Was talking about before you ended up in San Diego.
Speaker 1: You was staying with Reuben.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all was staying with Ruby yup, yep yep as
Speaker 2: a young and I was. I was messed up early.
Speaker 2: So he was looking at when I was like fourteen.
Speaker 1: How did y'all know each other? You guys? Wood? Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hollywood High and so you know, I went to
Speaker 2: performing arts schools because my mom and them. That's one
Speaker 2: thing I could be thankful for my mom and then
Speaker 2: put me in performing arts schools, which opened me up
Speaker 2: to plays, musicals, choir classes. So like most niggas in
Speaker 2: the hoods going to school, revelopment, they choir class was
Speaker 2: a fade in the bathroom. My my, I'm just saying
Speaker 2: like that's where niggas day was you going to Dorsea.
Speaker 2: You going to Chris, Are you going to you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, different joints. I was like the Hamilton's,
Speaker 2: the Hollywoods. It was still wicked. We'd be getting it.
Speaker 2: It'd be riots and aughty, we'd be getting in this.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I was like, it was
Speaker 2: weird because you be in choir class with other gang
Speaker 2: members and others, you know, and we in quire classes
Speaker 2: quare clabs, but we really creating food blown everything, Like
Speaker 2: it's crazy because creation is creation for what you chose
Speaker 2: to do. If you're a creator and you next level,
Speaker 2: then you're gonna create on that level. So and we're
Speaker 2: always in competition.
Speaker 1: So so when you're in these classes with other gang
Speaker 1: members or rival gangs. Everybody was getting along during choir
Speaker 1: and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean because in school, it's like it's school,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, You get into situations and
Speaker 2: you know, back then it was kind of like there
Speaker 2: was a green light on the Blacks from the eighteens
Speaker 2: at the time, So it was all kind of stuff
Speaker 2: going on. So we kind of was sticking together and
Speaker 2: everybody was just in the mix. It was because it
Speaker 2: was all kind of it was that's a long story.
Speaker 2: But anyway, you know, it was it was a lot.
Speaker 2: It was a lot going on. It was a lot
Speaker 2: of war work, but in terms of school, like dance,
Speaker 2: like choir, like different things that we was doing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was that was. Yeah, we was. We was in
Speaker 2: there going viral. Okay, yeah, we was in that going viral.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna we almost done with this. Ain't gonna lie. Okay,
Speaker 2: they ain't never done.
Speaker 1: That's good because I'm hungry.
Speaker 2: No, it's actually crazy.
Speaker 1: Now you come back from San Diego. Yep, fast tracking
Speaker 1: now back to so you go back from San Diego.
Speaker 2: You're trying to figure out, well, where did you get
Speaker 2: rid of? Yeah? I'm like where is that? What? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I told you figure.
Speaker 1: I love hearing the story because you have these extra
Speaker 1: I want to say, adjectives.
Speaker 2: Is that the right word? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, because it's action packed.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I was going through a lot,
Speaker 2: like I didn't. You know when you when you when
Speaker 2: you coming from nothing. And this is why I always
Speaker 2: am with people who came from nothing, because we understand
Speaker 2: each other on a level that's just a little different.
Speaker 2: But I also running corporate of the highest level. But
Speaker 2: I also run in the lowest level because at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, it's like when you come from
Speaker 2: having no other option, it's serious. Yeah, I know, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. It's like, just because somebody's in
Speaker 2: a higher neighborhood don't mean that they don't got no
Speaker 2: option but to run the play either. Yeah, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. That's why you got white collar crimes,
Speaker 2: and that's why you got other Don't think it's just
Speaker 2: all about oh, because he got a rag on, he
Speaker 2: hard like, No, it's a lot of people come from nothing,
Speaker 2: even to Brazil favelas, to wherever you go. It's hoods,
Speaker 2: it's motherfuckers that's willing to go to the roof wherever
Speaker 2: you go. So I understood that early and I always
Speaker 2: related to whoever was should like what you want. But
Speaker 2: the smart hustlers, I hate dumb hustlers. I never hustled dumb.
Speaker 2: I would have been locked up.
Speaker 1: Can you break down a dumb hustler for me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, A dumb hustler is A dumb hustler is A
Speaker 2: dumb hustler is basically somebody who is always just hustling backwards.
Speaker 2: Like if you in and out of jail all day.
Speaker 2: You're hustling backwards, like your hustle is not planned out,
Speaker 2: Like where's your execution? Every last every last person around
Speaker 2: me been to prison, been to this, been to that, right,
Speaker 2: every last person around me been to prison like all
Speaker 2: my family, my brother did thirteen years, my other brother.
Speaker 2: Everybody's been. But at the end of the day, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, it's about like dang, like they
Speaker 2: all got the same story, Like damn, I should have
Speaker 2: did that different. So if you're going to continue to
Speaker 2: do the same thing over and over and over and
Speaker 2: over and over, I need to drain this ship. Here.
Speaker 2: We're gonna figure out this one.
Speaker 1: We have. We have a way to drain it can well.
Speaker 2: Cut no, but no, we don't even need to. I'm
Speaker 2: not just this guy to be keen.
Speaker 1: Did with what if that splash? Is that gonna splash
Speaker 1: that you?
Speaker 2: Nah? Hell no, I'm doing drinking.
Speaker 1: Similarly, that's how you know you self made right.
Speaker 2: There right there, right there. We don't real quick. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I ain't worried about that, but you know this needs
Speaker 2: to be cleaned anyway eventually.
Speaker 1: But you didn't put the seasonings in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it's about you.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's not micro manage your cooking.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's why I ford
Speaker 2: it out because I don't be liking the season.
Speaker 1: And to be talking about yeah, yeah, so that's what
Speaker 1: I do at my house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just kind of what's his name it was?
Speaker 2: When you drop that in there, I should have had
Speaker 2: you do the I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: You needed help in the kitchen?
Speaker 2: Me, Hell no, I don't need no help. I'll shoot me.
Speaker 2: I ain't look, I'll tell you call me.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I should have went to the man. I should have
Speaker 2: went to culinary art school. Just your whole it's all
Speaker 2: cut and stuff going on. You throw this in there
Speaker 2: right there, you feel look at this.
Speaker 1: See I envisioned ghetto cast roles to be something different,
Speaker 1: did you?
Speaker 2: This is the positive It looks.
Speaker 1: It looks really fancy.
Speaker 2: No, I'm telling you, I used to cut up the
Speaker 2: turkey burger and throw this into that. If you eat
Speaker 2: that with that, you feel to be like this dude,
Speaker 2: rock did that? And then don't be using my recipe
Speaker 2: at home, because.
Speaker 1: That's the whole point using this, and they're going to
Speaker 1: be they're going to be judging your recipe.
Speaker 2: This way because they wanted to do with this. I'm
Speaker 2: talking about what had met. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: I've been doing this as niggas were drinking similar looks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. And then for me, I'm a spice
Speaker 2: idter threw some mohat sauce on top and did it up.
Speaker 1: Does it look this plated like this?
Speaker 2: This? Well?
Speaker 1: Does what look like does whenever you did it? Did
Speaker 1: it look like this when you would play it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I cut it up sometimes, but yeah,
Speaker 2: does it look well? It looked fancy.
Speaker 1: It looked kind of fancy.
Speaker 2: If you.
Speaker 1: I think if you added like a little bit of
Speaker 1: greenery or vegetable to it would have looked really fast.
Speaker 2: Like you're really trying to break down my looks a little.
Speaker 1: It looks nice. Okay, it's kind of fun. I haven't
Speaker 1: sold millions of records. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: never know.
Speaker 2: For me, this is listen, this is doing something. You
Speaker 2: gotta break down to what's his name into the west
Speaker 2: that you ain't got a knife if you break down
Speaker 2: a little piece.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, hold up, yeah, we need a knife
Speaker 1: for your cooking.
Speaker 2: Oh my mama, little it's kind of crazy. I didn't
Speaker 2: want to do too much, but I didn't want to
Speaker 2: do too little. You know what I'm saying. When you
Speaker 2: do that, and you do that with that, and you
Speaker 2: just throw a little turkey up in there, look at it.
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, that's like something different because we
Speaker 2: didn't You didn't have time to get all the pasta
Speaker 2: and this and that and the third this was already
Speaker 2: its own made pasta. She was going on, m it's
Speaker 2: actually kind of crazy, right, it's.
Speaker 1: Good and you know what, you're using that meat really well.
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to explain, I was trying to tell
Speaker 2: I don't even be like, I don't even want to
Speaker 2: tell nobody when I started telling people.
Speaker 1: Stuffy little soft, I don't like that, but I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna lie I was talking too much.
Speaker 2: You seasoned that meat like something's going on.
Speaker 1: You seasoned it. What I'm trying to that it's good hunt.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to explain there, trying.
Speaker 2: To tell you it's th season. I'm telling you this
Speaker 2: right here. You was eating this after you did whatever
Speaker 2: you did and came back to this. That's what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to tell you you thought you went to Ruth Cress.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. You seasoned very well, that's.
Speaker 2: What I'm telling you. You thought I went to you
Speaker 2: thought you went to Ruth Chris, but you went to
Speaker 2: Rocks Crest. I don't know that that was crazy. I
Speaker 2: ain't gonna lie that was nuts. But the punchline is
Speaker 2: the punch you are Holman. Yeah, I just came from
Speaker 2: eating That was the problem. To eat my whole wasn't
Speaker 2: not right now it's gonna be unusual.
Speaker 1: I just want what did you eat before this?
Speaker 2: I just came from ruth Crest. We just came from
Speaker 2: Ruth Christ That's the crazy part. I was like, damn,
Speaker 2: let's just go get some steak into and then it
Speaker 2: Now I got steak and all kind of his bomb. No, huh,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I know my own ship. That's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I'm mad. I'm not that hungry because it's
Speaker 2: been going too far.
Speaker 1: Is that you went from Ruth Chris to eating this.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm screaming. But it's the same program. Actually,
Speaker 2: I like mine better.
Speaker 1: Really, man, what.
Speaker 2: When I get to season some of that stuff be bland.
Speaker 2: I'll be paying five hundred dollars for something bland, just
Speaker 2: for the look. You know what.
Speaker 1: You're missing out because this this turkey burger is kind
Speaker 1: of doing something. It's doing something like like I feel better, That's.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. And then this one right here is
Speaker 2: even more seasons than that one. That's the crazy, because
Speaker 2: I could smell it. I know what happened off the
Speaker 2: way that the edges is cout. I'm like, oh, like
Speaker 2: if I had to pick, and then I had to
Speaker 2: pick for myself, I had to pick that one, right.
Speaker 1: Maybe the other side is like that.
Speaker 2: No, get a corner, get a corner of that, and
Speaker 2: see what happens if you get that right already? Be like,
Speaker 2: what is that corner?
Speaker 1: This one looks more juicy.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm telling you you. I didn't even mean
Speaker 2: to do you like that, but I thought I was
Speaker 2: gonna be able to get all so stuffed. Yep mm hmm. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm yelling. That's what I'm telling you. Something
Speaker 2: else going on over here anyway. You know what you
Speaker 2: can That's what I'm explaining. I'm gonna put together when
Speaker 2: I can put together, When I can put it together.
Speaker 1: What was the last time you had this, I ain't.
Speaker 2: Made this in probably fifteen years. Fifteen years. This was like,
Speaker 2: this was a struggle meal.
Speaker 1: If we left off at seventy, yeah, seventeen, all right,
Speaker 1: we're getting close to you becoming rich.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mam, we're getting there somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. I touched
Speaker 2: my first million at like twenty one. Oh am, I
Speaker 2: we're here now, okay, yeah, but I touched my first
Speaker 2: million like twenty one.
Speaker 1: I'm not skipping steps because your story is fun. So seventeen, yep,
Speaker 1: you moved from San Diego.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm back and I'm back on the block. I'm
Speaker 2: back around here and I'm figuring it out pretty much.
Speaker 2: So like eighteen I had eighteen, I had bumped into
Speaker 2: an investor. First of all, I was I was writing,
Speaker 2: like I was battle rapping and doing all that, and
Speaker 2: I was so popular with dance and I was getting
Speaker 2: a lot of popularity with dance in my space in
Speaker 2: San Diego. I had dropped the record called bat Box
Speaker 2: on my space, and when I tell you, it was
Speaker 2: the most popular. So I had like a million something blades.
Speaker 2: It was the most popular song, and I said, dang,
Speaker 2: these people really like my music. This is crazy. And
Speaker 2: so I was getting so much not that people were
Speaker 2: dming me like yo, bro, that's fire, Like yo, bro,
Speaker 2: what's up? So basically this investor had DM me like yo,
Speaker 2: I got no Actually sorry, Mike Post. You know Mike
Speaker 2: Post he created Law and Order, the Law and Order Tell,
Speaker 2: the Lawn Order theme song, and all the music for
Speaker 2: Law and Order. He gets paid every three seconds. He's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: So so Mike Post is like yo, like my other
Speaker 2: boy was actually at Mike's studio. He's like, yo, you
Speaker 2: should sit down on him. So I came over there.
Speaker 2: They gave me like like it was like yo, go ahead,
Speaker 2: like play what you got. I played it. I did
Speaker 2: like a whole performance thing Da da da, and it
Speaker 2: was like yo, like you're the next. There was no
Speaker 2: Drake obviously, there was just maybe a Chris, but there
Speaker 2: was no rapping, singing dance. Wasn't They like yo, like
Speaker 2: you next up? Like this is crazy, like what you need?
Speaker 2: Matter of fact. So he had an SSL studio with
Speaker 2: like other rooms. He was like listen, anytime, use my studio.
Speaker 2: You're good. So for me going you know, in everybody
Speaker 2: closet to record you know what I'm saying. The bathrooms,
Speaker 2: and I'm recording the most random places in the hood,
Speaker 2: just like wherever you got a mic set it up. Like,
Speaker 2: so going from there to an SSL recording studio was
Speaker 2: a It just was a different frequency. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: because of my environment, I have to now adapt to
Speaker 2: this level of music. So that SSL made me change
Speaker 2: the way I approached records because I'm like, let me
Speaker 2: think a little harder now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So I'm doing that this and the third, and I'm
Speaker 2: writing crazy records and I'm rapping. I'm doing all this stuff.
Speaker 2: I was with this dude n In Kira from London,
Speaker 2: which is which was my main producer. I actually assigned
Speaker 2: a production deal with him and Kira early was like
Speaker 2: he was a family friend from from my mom from
Speaker 2: way back, but he's from London, so his sound was European.
Speaker 2: He had like done Kylie Minogue and all these other people,
Speaker 2: so he was like, yo, rock, this is how we
Speaker 2: gonna approach it. It was always like some big sound
Speaker 2: in European, worldwide stuff. And then I'm like okay, and
Speaker 2: then he was like, yo, there's this group called Lexington Bridge.
Speaker 2: The're number one in Germany. I'm gonna put you on
Speaker 2: there with them. So he put me in with this
Speaker 2: group and I ended up doing a verse and ended
Speaker 2: up having a number one record in Germany with these.
Speaker 1: Kids, You're doing a versus and rapping right, rapping, And
Speaker 1: I was like eighteen.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, dang, I'm sitting there and I'm going crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is nuts. This is the first time
Speaker 2: I ever But I didn't know what that meant. I
Speaker 2: just like that.
Speaker 1: And then so from there, like now, when you have
Speaker 1: the number one record, are you making money or.
Speaker 2: You just know that you have I just know I
Speaker 2: got number on rad I didn't even know what it
Speaker 2: means to have a number one record. I'm like nineteen
Speaker 2: right there in eighteen ninety. So then Tim and Bob, right,
Speaker 2: you know Tim and Bob. Tim and Bob like legendary
Speaker 2: producers like Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis like super like
Speaker 2: my real film, now my next level brothers. These families different,
Speaker 2: But back then there was Tim and Bob. They created
Speaker 2: Bobby Volentino that they voice the me in Evolution and
Speaker 2: brought out to me in case and everybody from beyond
Speaker 2: they had it was like everything. So Dad came around
Speaker 2: and they were using my sister actually to do back
Speaker 2: all Jennifer Lopez's backgrounds at the time, and so one day,
Speaker 2: you know, my sister always was like my sister loved me,
Speaker 2: so she's always like yo, like I'm over here, da
Speaker 2: da da. And I came to drop her off something
Speaker 2: at the studio and she's like, oh, this is my
Speaker 2: brother and they're like, damn, bro, you look kind of dope.
Speaker 2: You look out like a look like what you do?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yo, rap da da da, And so
Speaker 2: I pressed play on something. They like, what the yo, man,
Speaker 2: what's up with here? So Tim and Bob set up
Speaker 2: a session. I actually got in the booth and while
Speaker 2: I was in the booth, he's like, yo, can you
Speaker 2: test the mic because Bobby Valentino for the comminges the mic.
Speaker 2: And so I started like singing or whatever, just to
Speaker 2: try and get whatever frequency they were trying to go.
Speaker 2: What even thinking about it, They was like, bro, your
Speaker 2: voice is dope. What the do you know how to write?
Speaker 2: So they forced me into writing like records. It was
Speaker 2: weird like at the time, like yo, just start yo,
Speaker 2: just start trying to write some stuff, and like two
Speaker 2: or three sessions later, I had already wrote like a
Speaker 2: hit and they're like, dude, this is like you're a writer,
Speaker 2: you're a singer, You're a and I'm like, dang, I
Speaker 2: just was transitioning into thing. I was morphing in the
Speaker 2: difference right away. I'm like, damn, am I singer? Am
Speaker 2: I writer? Because I was always rapping, battle rapping, hardcore always,
Speaker 2: and then so my pin was so crazy. It was
Speaker 2: like you put melodies over your pen, you're gonna be vicious.
Speaker 2: And so my sister was always a singer, so melodies
Speaker 2: was easy for me. So I'm like okay. And so
Speaker 2: Tony Mercedes, who signed TolC, had came one day and
Speaker 2: brought his artists and was like, yo, I got this artist.
Speaker 2: She's big in Australia. Write her a song. And I
Speaker 2: wrote her a song on the spot as a smash,
Speaker 2: and he gave me a check the next day. It
Speaker 2: was like here, how much was the check? Seventy five
Speaker 2: hundred dollars and I'm like like, hold on, but he
Speaker 2: gave me the check. You're like just sign this and
Speaker 2: I'm like all right, well I'm signing. And it gave
Speaker 2: me seventy five dollars. I'm like, so one of them,
Speaker 2: who am I giving this to? He like this for
Speaker 2: you for writing a song every record. I was trying
Speaker 2: to get you ten, but they only agreed that. I'm like,
Speaker 2: so I got seventy five. Oh yeah, it's over. I
Speaker 2: know that they're done. Everybody's done. Everybody's done. Nobody is
Speaker 2: going to breathe again with the writing. Y'all are done.
Speaker 2: They're handing out checks for writing hits. Everybody's done. All
Speaker 2: y'all are good. Don't even don't even pick up the
Speaker 2: pen no more unless you're extravagant. So from that day on,
Speaker 2: when I see that check, and I didn't have to
Speaker 2: do no gags, I have to do nothing. I have
Speaker 2: to hit no lick. I'd have to do no nothing.
Speaker 2: I'd have to jump through no windows, nothing, do no flock,
Speaker 2: I had to sell nothing. I was, I said, he
Speaker 2: just handed me this and all cash, and I don't
Speaker 2: have to do nothing. And I just had to do that.
Speaker 3: Now, my mama, I was, oh my god, I ain't
Speaker 3: look and as you And obviously ever since then it
Speaker 3: got wicked, it got serious, and so I just started
Speaker 3: just becoming a guillotine with the pen like I'm just sharp.
Speaker 2: I'm just like everybody getting diced. So from then I
Speaker 2: just start cataloging. Oh y'all, hold on, y'all be buying
Speaker 2: records after that's all y'all want. So now I'm sitting
Speaker 2: there and then I'm finding friends. You know what I sing?
Speaker 2: Jump in the booth, sing what I'm singing? You know
Speaker 2: how to right? So then the engineers ain't moving fast
Speaker 2: enough for me, so I'm like, damn, I can't find
Speaker 2: an engineer. So now I'm in the back trying to
Speaker 2: figure out how the engineer. Okay, let me see how
Speaker 2: to record myself so I ain't got to worry about
Speaker 2: these things. So I figure it out. After some months,
Speaker 2: I put in hours and hours and every day I'm
Speaker 2: trying to figure it out, and I'm going through, how
Speaker 2: do I tweet this? Put this EQ? What's this? I'm
Speaker 2: looking up? So I'm asking the engineers. They don't even
Speaker 2: want to rock. I'm in the middle of Okay, how
Speaker 2: do I put it a EQ on this? How do
Speaker 2: I make this sound better? How do I do this?
Speaker 2: So I'm getting the breakdown. It's crazy. I'm getting a breakdown.
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, Okay, cool, so from there, now I'm
Speaker 2: now all the engineer a little bit. So then I'm
Speaker 2: sitting there and I'm writing. I'm like, damn, where the
Speaker 2: producers at. Ain't these niggas ain't not giving me enough material.
Speaker 2: I'm writing faster than the producers. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: For real. I'm like, I'm now I'm cooking because my hustle.
Speaker 2: They gave me a check. It's done. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: stop until i'm up. If I could stack these checks
Speaker 2: up to where I could be up all the way
Speaker 2: up and just be up man o my mom, and
Speaker 2: you're never gonna stey nobody. It's done. So I'm out
Speaker 2: writing every day. I'm waking morning, noon, and night. I'm writing.
Speaker 2: And so now I'm like, okay, cool, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can't find any producers, but garage man logic. I'm like,
Speaker 2: sh let me figure it out. So now I'm on
Speaker 2: garage Man making whack beats. I'm talking about super whack.
Speaker 2: I'm like boom. I'm like, oh, I can see what
Speaker 2: a mix on it. They gotta be crazy, It's all right, Oh,
Speaker 2: running back, So niggas is walking in and I'm pressing
Speaker 2: play and the other niggas in They're like, yeah, we see,
Speaker 2: we can see, we can see kind of what's he
Speaker 2: doing right? Hey? And then Tim and Bob and all
Speaker 2: them and and Tricky Stewart and all that, they coming
Speaker 2: in and they pressing play on crazy, I'm like, damn,
Speaker 2: why shit is what? So now I'm like damn, Like
Speaker 2: hold on, So I'm now I got to sit here
Speaker 2: every day and figure out how to produce, and I'm
Speaker 2: making whack ass beats until finally i make a beat
Speaker 2: that's hot. Then I'm like, oh, I'm for real. Hey,
Speaker 2: look I'm telling you now I'm for real. I'm somebody else.
Speaker 1: Now it's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Man, I I'm doing I'm doing all kind of I
Speaker 2: don't even know how to play, but I'm trying. I'm
Speaker 2: figuring it out. What this note, go to this note? Okay,
Speaker 2: what about this note? That don't sound right? So now
Speaker 2: I'm playing everything my ear I'm creeping. So now I'm
Speaker 2: getting into it now. So now I'm like, okay, you
Speaker 2: know what, I'm selling records, But the records, it's now
Speaker 2: about the networking. You gotta run around and figure out
Speaker 2: how to get in people's faces like I got records
Speaker 2: over here. I got enough of a catalog. I probably
Speaker 2: made probably fifty sixty songs now and I'm able to
Speaker 2: press play.
Speaker 1: But like he's hearing it, you didn't try to go
Speaker 1: back to first due that roature. The check for the
Speaker 1: seventy five, that was one check.
Speaker 2: He not finna just cut me. He did cut me
Speaker 2: a couple more checks, but he don't got an undern
Speaker 2: amount of checks. He got other producers that's bigger than me.
Speaker 2: Like he just gave me a Like Tony Mercedi's just
Speaker 2: looked out. He just looked out, like that's you know
Speaker 2: what you're young, Go ahead, I'll rock with you. And
Speaker 2: I did, and I showed him prove cut me to check.
Speaker 2: And Tony still my guy to this day. But he
Speaker 2: created TLC. Like he's saying, he was one of the
Speaker 2: early executives. So he always seen you know, we make
Speaker 2: no scrubs and stuff. You see you can see through
Speaker 2: like this dude is heeds something. He got something so real.
Speaker 2: An R is always recognized like greatness in me when
Speaker 2: they've seen whatever was the hungry whatever it was. So
Speaker 2: so he just looked out. But I went to trying
Speaker 2: to find other Tony Mercedes, who else got it? Say? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I was hustling and then like I said, your
Speaker 2: network is your network. So at the time, I only
Speaker 2: knew a couple of people, and I'm not I'm trying
Speaker 2: to figure out how to get further than where I'm at.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, dang, like, how do I get Maybe
Speaker 2: I need a manager. I need somebody. Yeah, because this
Speaker 2: ain't gonna work. I need somebody. So then I linked
Speaker 2: up with Chris Lighty.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: No, Rather Chris Lighty Chris Light's most legendary manager ever.
Speaker 2: He created fifty cent did divide him in water deal.
Speaker 2: He's violate. He created a company called Violator. No he's dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah they died. No, No, it's all good. But that's
Speaker 2: my that was my that was my big bro. So
Speaker 2: he his situation was different because he created Violator, which
Speaker 2: he signed Buster to and fifty And that's where Mona
Speaker 2: Scott came from, and that's where all of them came
Speaker 2: She worked for Violator, all of them. He had a
Speaker 2: hub of the Big Diddy. All of them was under Violator.
Speaker 2: Violator was the thing, yo, Gotti, all them was. When
Speaker 2: I got to violator. They had already been them, but Yo,
Speaker 2: Gotty was running around with Mike Lighty and so Chris Lighty,
Speaker 2: Mike Lighty, Dave Lighty, Dave Lighty brought me. Yeah, they're
Speaker 2: all Lighties, but Dave Lighty brought me to Chris Lighty
Speaker 2: and Chris Lighty. When he seen me, he was like,
Speaker 2: because at that point in time, I had walked in
Speaker 2: there and was like, what's up, bro, Yeah, I'm the greatest.
Speaker 2: I'm the greatest that ever lived. And he was like,
Speaker 2: what who? I ain't even ever heard of you? Bro
Speaker 2: with you? And so he like, I said, who's your
Speaker 2: favorite rapper? He's telling me. I said, but I'm way
Speaker 2: better than them. You know what I'm saying. I'm way
Speaker 2: better than your favorite. He was like, bro, God, hold on.
Speaker 2: He calls Chris Lady, everybody in the room, the whole office,
Speaker 2: and he goes, Okay, we're gonna see what you're into.
Speaker 2: He's like, he's laughing at me. Though I swear everybody
Speaker 2: knows that was around Tiffany, all the people that was around,
Speaker 2: he's laughing at me. Right, He's like, yo, like, okay,
Speaker 2: we're gonna see. And so I get up and I
Speaker 2: just start barring down the whole room and they're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god. What wal he like. So after I'm done,
Speaker 2: I'm like yeah. He like, hold on, man, yo, you
Speaker 2: are not He like, hold on, man, you got song songs?
Speaker 2: Press play? So I play like five six of my
Speaker 2: craziest records. He like, you wrote these, that's you on it.
Speaker 2: He's like, okay, you know what, all right, y'all, y'all good?
Speaker 2: Are we good? All right? Everybody good? All right? Bruh.
Speaker 2: So at the time, I had went to New York
Speaker 2: to meet Chris Lighty, but I had set up a
Speaker 2: meeting with Mark Pitts, which is also my big bro,
Speaker 2: which was the president of the RCA Records. But he
Speaker 2: had by a storm and you know, he signed Chris
Speaker 2: Brown signs.
Speaker 1: How are you getting these contacts?
Speaker 2: You're like, just because because I was moving around. So
Speaker 2: I was in a studio and a dude named cast
Speaker 2: And how I got to Mark Pitts was a dude
Speaker 2: named casting kind of like was there with me. He
Speaker 2: was like early with me when I was just hustling
Speaker 2: in there singing making records all the time, and Caston
Speaker 2: was like, dude, you are ridiculous. On the pen like, yo,
Speaker 2: like you like you need to be. So he brought
Speaker 2: a dude named Kirk Lightburn to the studio that he
Speaker 2: was cool with, and Kirk Lightburn worked from Mark Pitts,
Speaker 2: and Kirk Lightburn heard me and was like, yo, I
Speaker 2: need to get you to New York to meet Mark. Period.
Speaker 2: So they were scheduling it, and I scheduled Chris Lighty
Speaker 2: and Mark Pitts same in two days. And so when
Speaker 2: I told when I went and met with Mark Pitts
Speaker 2: and RCA, we had such a vibe. I was with him,
Speaker 2: we was locked in and him the whole off. He
Speaker 2: was like, yo, let's let's lock it and let's get it.
Speaker 2: Were good you Buystorm And I went to Chris Lighti
Speaker 2: and Chris Lighty was like, I can't even let you leave. Bro.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say I would have never It was like,
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: Even let you leave. He's like, honestly, I know where
Speaker 2: you went from, but you the biggest your next trust me,
Speaker 2: I know what it is. And I was like, I
Speaker 2: think I was twenty at the time. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't old enough to drink. So I'm like I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, so what you want to do?
Speaker 2: He like, well, well, how much you need or what
Speaker 2: do you not? How much? He said, what do you need?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well right now, honestly, I just got
Speaker 2: this little apartment that joint kind of hitting. But I've
Speaker 2: been doing all cuntire. But I said, I'm finna go
Speaker 2: back and the home you gotta lick. Right now, I'm
Speaker 2: supposed to be up, Like if we hit this and
Speaker 2: get away with this, I'm gonna be up fifty thousand.
Speaker 2: You said that, yeah, but I'm telling them, really, what's happening. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like, cause, I'm like, but the home you gotta lick.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I'm supposed to be writing this, and
Speaker 2: these niggas want me to come to Germany. I'm he like, listen,
Speaker 2: how much add up all your bills for the year.
Speaker 2: And I'm like all right, I'm sitting there. He like,
Speaker 2: do it now, And I'm sitting here and I'm adding
Speaker 2: up and I'm like, oh damn. I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 2: rent two thousand month, so that's already twenty four thy
Speaker 2: twelve months. And then this car I just got off
Speaker 2: this stupid ad. I got it from Statewide, which they
Speaker 2: give you that you know, state wide, No, they you
Speaker 2: ain't got no credit, but you want to flaws. You
Speaker 2: put down thirty percent and they'll give you a car.
Speaker 2: But they come in to repo at the day you
Speaker 2: missed one payment. It's unusual so anyway, because they repot it.
Speaker 2: So that's how I know. So I had this state
Speaker 2: wide joint and I'm like, dang, thirteen hundred a month,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, damn, I added that up. So tod,
Speaker 2: I'm like damn. After I started adding up, like I
Speaker 2: just need to get but I need to be fly,
Speaker 2: and then I needed I'm like, damn, my bill's like
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars a month. Bro. No, But I'm sitting
Speaker 2: there and I'm talking. I'm like in my head and
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, bro, I ain't gonna lie all this, Okay.
Speaker 2: So whole time I'm dating this girl, Genevieve Jackson right
Speaker 2: since I was, because I can't leave her out either
Speaker 2: because she was pivotal back then. She's Michael Jackson's niece, right,
Speaker 2: Jermaine's daughter Randy's So like I was also off and
Speaker 2: on living in the Jackson House on haven Hurst real
Speaker 2: like I didn't have a spot to stay because they
Speaker 2: grew up on haven Hurst and Mensino with the giraffe
Speaker 2: and all that other that they grew up in that
Speaker 2: crazy mansion. And she was my girl since I was sixteen.
Speaker 2: So I was with her from sixteen to like twenty something,
Speaker 2: so twenty I think or twenty one, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We just got her like five years. But during this time,
Speaker 2: I was also living off and on at the Jackson
Speaker 2: House between my boy Shank's house and the Jackson House.
Speaker 2: So my best friend Shank, we all shocked up in
Speaker 2: this one bedroom over there, and then when it's getting
Speaker 2: bad over there, I'm going to my girl house. She
Speaker 2: got a mansion. I'm sleeping in the room Michael used
Speaker 2: to sleep in. No dead ass, this is my baby,
Speaker 2: this is my girl. Like look Jennimer. So I'm playing
Speaker 2: scrabble with Miss Jackson like Dr Majesty Ja'afar, her little brother,
Speaker 2: the whole family. We there. Janet's coming home to see
Speaker 2: her mom at random times, and this is where her
Speaker 2: grandma lived. She lived with her grandma, So that's Michael's mom,
Speaker 2: that's Janis mind as everybody. So I'm there and I
Speaker 2: was just like inside of the highest frequency and then
Speaker 2: go to the hood and be in the hood. It's
Speaker 2: the weirdest. It was like where I was so catching
Speaker 2: frequencies from everywhere. So I can't leave her out either
Speaker 2: because she was she was also looking out back then
Speaker 2: in terms of like letting me stay there and whatever.
Speaker 2: Like she was solid back then. I can't just skip
Speaker 2: over her. But I also besides Ruben Cannon and I
Speaker 2: was everywhere, but that was one of the main places
Speaker 2: I was obviously because I was my girl, So it
Speaker 2: was what it was. But skip up. So I was
Speaker 2: with her, and he was tripping off that like, dang
Speaker 2: you with.
Speaker 1: The jack like it was a thing when you were wait,
Speaker 1: go back. So he asked you how much you made
Speaker 1: for a year? Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, So you end
Speaker 1: up telling it up and telling him, But how did
Speaker 1: he know.
Speaker 2: That you were with her? That's what I was saying,
Speaker 2: because I actually took her out there. Yeah, I took
Speaker 2: her out there. So so so my boy let me
Speaker 2: stay at his house. Roger Mason, which was playing for
Speaker 2: the Knicks at the time. Roger Mason from the Knicks
Speaker 2: used to play for the King's Two. But Roger Mason
Speaker 2: was trying to get me to do his artist's project
Speaker 2: C C. Cigar. So I'm like like, ooh, I could
Speaker 2: go out there. I can have these meetings. I could
Speaker 2: link with Roger figure out if I can get a
Speaker 2: check out of him. And so so I'm like, so
Speaker 2: Roger's like, yeah, you come, you and your girl come,
Speaker 2: y'all just stay. He had a penthouse over There's like,
Speaker 2: y'all got to stay here. I'm like, damn you know me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I got the oh, I got to
Speaker 2: New York. I was in the big house. I was
Speaker 2: in there and be at her this tag like it's
Speaker 2: so it was up. That's one of my best friends still.
Speaker 2: Roger Mason's really want so, you know, he was so
Speaker 2: anybody I met with him. I'm sitting there with him.
Speaker 2: I'm telling him like yo, He's like, damn you a Jackson.
Speaker 2: This is crazy, like all this other stuff. Right. So
Speaker 2: he's like, all right, cool, So how much five thousand
Speaker 2: a month for me? That was a lot for him.
Speaker 2: He didn't even remember that I even said five thousand
Speaker 2: a month. So he's like fivey twelve sixty. He's like,
Speaker 2: all right, cool, I'm gonna have you a check tomorrow
Speaker 2: for seventy thousand. After you get that check, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: you're gonna work that check back off. I will take
Speaker 2: it out of the money that I make you. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, hold on, bro, So you saying, if I
Speaker 2: saw if we do this management and everything right here,
Speaker 2: right here, right now, you fin the cut. I'm getting
Speaker 2: seventy thousand for you to manage me and go get
Speaker 2: make me some more money. And smo, do you believe
Speaker 2: in me that much? Were you thinking? I said, Bro,
Speaker 2: it's over. Signed with Chris Lighty, we locked in and
Speaker 2: it was like that was that was the first person
Speaker 2: to believe in me. Chris Lighty for real, and he
Speaker 2: was the one that was walking around all offices like
Speaker 2: rock star. He did so so so okay, all this
Speaker 2: confidence that you hear that right there don't really work
Speaker 2: in the music business unless you have accolades. I didn't
Speaker 2: have them, but I knew who I was. So when
Speaker 2: you're walking around and you know who you are early,
Speaker 2: it's problems. But it wasn't. Now I heard because Kanye
Speaker 2: is like that too, but Kan wasn't.
Speaker 1: But before he was Kanye, he was producer for other people.
Speaker 2: But was he was He was always confident, but he
Speaker 2: wasn't on what I was known, because the thing about
Speaker 2: him was I'm just saying, yeah, it was that I
Speaker 2: get like he is like like me and him would
Speaker 2: have been best friends, but he was like the way
Speaker 2: he was, he was still like up under whoever, like
Speaker 2: he was up under the rock or up under dame er,
Speaker 2: can you look out me? I'm finna go be, Dang,
Speaker 2: I'm finna go be. I'm finna go figure it out,
Speaker 2: like yeah, man light, he managed me, but he was
Speaker 2: setting me up to become me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I was already walking in the buildings like, yeah, who's
Speaker 2: your biggest artist? All right, cool, I'll do the album,
Speaker 2: but this is how we're gonna do this, and they're
Speaker 2: like who is this? And Chris like, yo, he's next.
Speaker 2: I just told you. I put all y'all, then I
Speaker 2: put you on. I just told you he's next. And
Speaker 2: then they'd be like, oh a right, Chris, all right,
Speaker 2: well let's do So Chris was more like standing behind
Speaker 2: bullying like whatever. Like Chris was so solid that he
Speaker 2: was like rock, just talk your shit, just go off.
Speaker 2: So I was running through buildings going off like whatever,
Speaker 2: who is it all right, what's the artist? Okay, this
Speaker 2: is trash, let's redo this. But I was delivering, like
Speaker 2: when it was my time to shine. He'd come in
Speaker 2: and press play like I told y'all, okay, So we
Speaker 2: was winning, and so I went and got an artist.
Speaker 2: You know, he'd be like, rock, you need the you
Speaker 2: gotta get in your mogul mode. All this genius put
Speaker 2: it on an artist. So I went and got this
Speaker 2: artist named Jude Claire DeMars right out of Detroit. And
Speaker 2: I don't want to know Chris and the Cute. I
Speaker 2: actually caught her walking out of Chris and Cute's office
Speaker 2: Chris and Cute and was like, everybody's passing on this girl.
Speaker 2: And I looked at her and I'm like, this chick
Speaker 2: is like gorgeous. She was like she was like just
Speaker 2: she had a thing to her and I'm like, dang,
Speaker 2: you a star man, and she's like yeah, and she
Speaker 2: from the She's like from the bottom of the d
Speaker 2: Like she's like Foster Home like type. Her parents were
Speaker 2: running back, so she was like from the bottom like so,
Speaker 2: but she's a white girl. It's the weirdest thing. So
Speaker 2: she like that Tina Marine, you know, you never heard
Speaker 2: of her. Jude dem she ever seen Star. She's on
Speaker 2: the show Star. But but but but anyway, I knew,
Speaker 2: I knew. I knew she was a start early because
Speaker 2: when I see him like yo, and her voice was
Speaker 2: real dope, and I'm like, damn, that's crazy. So I
Speaker 2: grabbed Jude and I'm like, yo, just roll me, let me.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sign you. I'm gonna do your project. We're
Speaker 2: gonna get you popping. And she's like, all right, let's
Speaker 2: do it. So she signed me. My well, my lawyer,
Speaker 2: Roger Patton was opening a lot of doors for me.
Speaker 2: My boy Kenny Lattimore, which was singing with my sister. Again,
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people from my sister too.
Speaker 2: Kenny Latimore introduced me to Roger Patton, my lawyer. To
Speaker 2: this day, I never changed. I stick to the code.
Speaker 2: My lawyer to this day. I made him millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: She's still the same lawyer. Roger Patton linked me with
Speaker 2: a bunch of different people, but he did all the contracts.
Speaker 2: He was doing ideals. So I signed her. And when
Speaker 2: I signed her, I did her album and Chris was like, yo,
Speaker 2: do her album, get it right, and I signed this
Speaker 2: other girl, Carolina Web, which is like one of the
Speaker 2: greatest talents. She's ridiculous, like a rock chick like something,
Speaker 2: but anyway, like a paramour. But I signed her and
Speaker 2: her and I and when I signed her, He's like,
Speaker 2: do her album, let's go do it. So I've been
Speaker 2: album I was. I was doing all kind of stuff
Speaker 2: like me and her was locked in finished her album.
Speaker 2: She was still on the bottom and I'm We're like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna run. So we So we walked into Jimmy
Speaker 2: Ivian's house, right and this is the first time I
Speaker 2: ever started seeing what was going on. So besides him
Speaker 2: giving me that seventy thousand dollars check, the other biggest
Speaker 2: check I got was was Roger Mason ended up giving
Speaker 2: me two hundred and twenty thousand dollars to do CC
Speaker 2: Cigars album. So now I'm up like two ninety. Now
Speaker 2: all my mam and me up to ninety. You don't
Speaker 2: want me to be up to ninety at that point,
Speaker 2: but I was doing it. Hey, look, I was like
Speaker 2: to night. When I looked at this, it was zeros
Speaker 2: in the account and it was legal man on my mama.
Speaker 2: You don't even want to talk to me. Talking to
Speaker 2: me was wild because I was just saying, I mean,
Speaker 2: what do you mean, I'll fly out of here? Hey, look,
Speaker 2: I thought I was next year. It was I blew
Speaker 2: through the money so fast that my ankles on twisted.
Speaker 2: That's how fast I ran through the money. My ankles
Speaker 2: almost twisted. How fast I ran through the money. It
Speaker 2: was unusual. But I didn't even get there yet. Thank
Speaker 2: you for ruining that. But yeah, I absolutely ran through
Speaker 2: the money. And when I tell you, I never not
Speaker 2: ran through the money. It's mandatory that you run through
Speaker 2: the money. Though. A billionaire broke that down to me
Speaker 2: because I never understood why I kept blowing my money.
Speaker 2: That's a huge part that people have to realize. Why
Speaker 2: do you blow your money? Why? So a couple different
Speaker 2: mobuls taught me different things, but one billionaire told me,
Speaker 2: you know the reason you blowed through your money, Like
Speaker 2: you keep complaining because one time I went broke. This
Speaker 2: we're skipping up. You got me skipping up. One time
Speaker 2: I went broke right after I got all this money.
Speaker 2: One time I went broke. And when I was broke,
Speaker 2: I was sitting there and I'm telling him, like, bro
Speaker 2: I'm fucked up right now. You ain't got no projects, Like,
Speaker 2: just give me a bridge and I'm gonna get back
Speaker 2: on my feet. And he like, he like, listen, how
Speaker 2: much you I'm like give me, Like I need like
Speaker 2: a core. I need like two hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 2: So he like, all right, listen, you keep looking real emo.
Speaker 2: And I don't like the way you're talking about yourself
Speaker 2: or the way you feeling, like the way you're I'm
Speaker 2: used to a different type of rock star. You gotta
Speaker 2: understand how the trajectory of money goes. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: what you mean? He said, listen, When I made five
Speaker 2: hundred thousand, I lost it. Then I made a million,
Speaker 2: I lost it. Then I made two million. I lost
Speaker 2: it until I got to a place where I made
Speaker 2: enough where I could fall on a cloud and I
Speaker 2: was still up there, and then I could keep going
Speaker 2: from there. He said, it's mandatory because you have to
Speaker 2: go low to go high. You gotta bend your knees
Speaker 2: to jumps gravity. If you don't go low, you're not
Speaker 2: gonna go high. So your trajectory even on a stock obviously,
Speaker 2: now me being publicly traded a publicly traded company owner
Speaker 2: and me being a stock, me being who I m
Speaker 2: today and a mogul and a different type of thing
Speaker 2: with tech, and I understand now how graphs and charts work.
Speaker 2: Back then, I didn't even know what he was talking about,
Speaker 2: but I did say, dang, you do gotta being your
Speaker 2: needs to jump. You gotta go lower to go higher.
Speaker 2: He's like, bro, you keep don't fold because you hit
Speaker 2: the ground. You should be rejoicing. You the type of
Speaker 2: dude you are, you think you're gonna stay here? Yeah? Right,
Speaker 2: I bet everything in my account you'll be rich in
Speaker 2: the year. And I'm like what damn. I'm like, okay, cool.
Speaker 2: And he didn't give me the money. He was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna give you the money because you gotta
Speaker 2: go through the steps to go get the money. Go
Speaker 2: figure it out. Shit. And I'm like, damn, this nigga
Speaker 2: did all that and I didn't get nothing. This sucks.
Speaker 2: This nigga sucks. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it was so true. I was like, yo, and I
Speaker 2: figured out how to maneuver and figure and everything. Every
Speaker 2: detail was mandatory for my next elevation, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So it's crazy, But anyway, that's not where
Speaker 2: I was at. You got me over here going broke
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, where losing my money? Where was
Speaker 2: I at? No? I was somewhere else. Is going brilliant?
Speaker 1: All right, Yo, you got your money from Chris Lady
Speaker 1: was up, you got the two hundred and twenty, and
Speaker 1: he was feeling yourself.
Speaker 2: I was doing as much as one person could do.
Speaker 2: I'll talk about So. Then I bump into Chris Brown, right, No, no, no,
Speaker 2: not yet, Chris Lighty, No no, no, Let's go back
Speaker 2: to June. That's where I was at so so so
Speaker 2: Claire Demos. I'm sitting there at dinner album. We walk
Speaker 2: into Jimmy Ivin's house. Jimmy Ivien, me and Chris Lighty
Speaker 2: sit there and play the music and I'm in Jimmy house.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Jimmy made everybody. So I'm sitting there in
Speaker 2: Jimmy house and I'm like, yo, I'm nervous, but I'm like, shit,
Speaker 2: I just made the craziest album ever. I got Tina
Speaker 2: Marie right here, press play. And he's sitting there, Jimmy.
Speaker 2: He's like yeah with his hat, He's like, mansion is stupendous.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here like this is cantankerous. I'm in this
Speaker 2: joint like need me one of these I'm saying. So anyway, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's unusual activity. So I'm in gim me. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here, and I'm like, damn, this is crazy.
Speaker 2: So we present play and so he's sitting there and
Speaker 2: I'm she's nervous, so she ain't selling the records, so
Speaker 2: I get to selling the records for her. Damn. There,
Speaker 2: I'm in that mother like boo, I'm I'm sitting So
Speaker 2: he's now paying attention to what I'm doing. I'm lipping
Speaker 2: the words and this up then and then I'm here,
Speaker 2: so I just take because she ain't able to right
Speaker 2: now for some reason, she not being her. She's a
Speaker 2: star twenty four to seven, but something made her not deliver,
Speaker 2: and I said, damn, so I had to take the
Speaker 2: floor and I'm instead and I'm you know, as a producer.
Speaker 2: We still we made it. So we're sitting there and
Speaker 2: we know how to still deliver whatever's happening. And so
Speaker 2: he's sitting there, so he tells Chrisy goes, Okay, I
Speaker 2: like her, but he's the star, So what do you
Speaker 2: want to do? With him, and so she so Chris
Speaker 2: Landy like, oh, okay, well we'll figure it out. Let's
Speaker 2: talk and to that. So we get in the car
Speaker 2: and she starts crying, breaking it down. She acting like
Speaker 2: I did it something. So I'm like, damn. Like so
Speaker 2: that's another thing, managing artists and them whole. So I'm
Speaker 2: like damn. So I'm sitting here with her and I'm like, listen,
Speaker 2: you didn't sell it, period.
Speaker 1: You said that to her?
Speaker 2: What me, I'm saying everything. I'm telling her you didn't
Speaker 2: sell it. We did all this and you didn't sell it.
Speaker 2: So that's not my fault. You're supposed to sell it.
Speaker 2: So me and her do all that, and she like, ah,
Speaker 2: it's a whole thing. So I tell Chris, I say, Chris,
Speaker 2: I need you to set something up. She don't feel
Speaker 2: good about herself right now. It feels like this is
Speaker 2: this we got it. We gotta deliver. And Chris like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call La Red.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, do you leave Jimmy with the
Speaker 1: whole I want him?
Speaker 2: So he was see Chris started kind of like like,
Speaker 2: we'll circle back to Jimmy because he want to work
Speaker 2: with you. Because Jimmy signs Timberland's producers and Doctor Dres
Speaker 2: and Parrels, and that's what that's what Jimmy. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: he's me people like me show up. He like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's another to Doctor Dry. That's why I come over.
Speaker 2: So he's on that type of vibe. But that's where
Speaker 2: he's thinking. But she's like, I'm still in the middle
Speaker 2: of I just completed this project and gave her all
Speaker 2: these promises. Claire. I got you out the hood, I
Speaker 2: got you you good. We're from Detroit. It's over. It's us.
Speaker 2: It's just me and you against the world. And Chris,
Speaker 2: let's get it done. I promised you you was gonna
Speaker 2: get signed. I know nobody ever did it. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do it for you. And I was, and I was
Speaker 2: stuck on it. So I told Chris right now, forget me,
Speaker 2: let's go to somebody. So he hit he hit La Reid.
Speaker 2: So we missed the flight to go meet La Red.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh my god. So I'm just in
Speaker 2: the airport with Claire. I'm losing it. Claire's like, Yo,
Speaker 2: this is crazy because I always miss every flight because
Speaker 2: I'm my My scheduling is try so I missed the flight.
Speaker 2: She's looking at me like I've done signed to the
Speaker 2: most incompetent. He's a genius, but he just what is
Speaker 2: he doing? So she's sitting here and she's like, she's
Speaker 2: a white girl, but she's a black woman. It's not
Speaker 2: a normal. Yeah, it's not She's not a normal. So
Speaker 2: she's sitting there like and I'm like, damn. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I just missed a flight. So Chris like, you missed
Speaker 2: a flight. So he cussing me out. So I'm like, damn.
Speaker 2: I'm like, so he like, listen, I set it up
Speaker 2: for a week later. Get here in a week, bro,
Speaker 2: if you miss this flight, don't talk to me for
Speaker 2: I'm not even talking to you no more. I'm like, damn.
Speaker 2: So I get on the flight. I'm domn there sleeping
Speaker 2: the airport. I'm in that the flight. I'm not the
Speaker 2: flight on Wednesday. I'm in there Tuesday. Like I'm in
Speaker 2: that joint right, I don't even care. So we get
Speaker 2: on that flight, made we go to La re We
Speaker 2: go to La Reid's office. When we go to La
Speaker 2: Reid's office, I'm in there with this an R. That
Speaker 2: was kind of like feeling Claire a little bit off
Speaker 2: what was going on, named Randy Rozano, and so she
Speaker 2: was like kind of champion and like whatever you wanted.
Speaker 2: Like she was like, yo, when you go to La Reid,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be in there, like that was one of
Speaker 2: his main a and rs. She like, y'all, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be with y'all, like this is crazy, like I love it.
Speaker 2: And everybody respected Chris. So everybody's kind of like, yo,
Speaker 2: let's do it, like this is a thing. And so
Speaker 2: I took Claire. I'm like, listen before we go in here,
Speaker 2: you this is where Rihanna came from. You're Rihanna. This
Speaker 2: has to happen. Let's go like, this is not a game.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be selling your sell yourself. Please, this
Speaker 2: is crazy. And she like I got this, don't worry
Speaker 2: about it. I got it. I'm like all right, cool.
Speaker 2: So we go up at La Reid's office and La
Speaker 2: Reid sitting there and he's like, no, da da, but
Speaker 2: see Claire's bad. So La read like he got the
Speaker 2: Rihanna's and the pink singer. So when he sees something,
Speaker 2: he's like, So she walk in and she come in
Speaker 2: and da da da. He like, okay, go ahead, play it.
Speaker 2: But when you playing the song, perform it, I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god. So I'm like, this is finnicky crazy already.
Speaker 2: I'm like, don't even know. But I'm like, oh, so clear,
Speaker 2: get up, and she'd kill it. She'd get to doing
Speaker 2: whatever they be doing when you do stuff. So she
Speaker 2: was cooking the records crazy and she in it, and
Speaker 2: she telling him, oh, this is she's singing the record
Speaker 2: and the record crazy sound like a new reality. And
Speaker 2: he like, all right, get y'all, go go ahead, and
Speaker 2: I get it. I get it. So he tells us
Speaker 2: I get it. In the middle of us doing it,
Speaker 2: She's like, I get it. Okay, y'all go ahead, go outside.
Speaker 2: Let's I'm gonna talk to Chris. I get it, Like
Speaker 2: I've seen enough. I'm like damn. So we go outside
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting there. I'm like, damn, you blew it.
Speaker 2: I told you about this stupid ass dressoot on war
Speaker 2: and this probably would mess up. And she's like, man,
Speaker 2: I did. So we we in the in the lobby
Speaker 2: arguing about whatever the fuck because I'm thinking she I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't even know. So then Chris Lighty and La
Speaker 2: Reed come out with the other nd rs and they're like,
Speaker 2: all right, all right, do you want the deal. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what deal. They're like, listen, we're gonna go across the
Speaker 2: street to Lavo. We're gonna let the lawyers do the deal.
Speaker 2: We're giving her her record deal right now. Y'all not
Speaker 2: leaving until we signing it. And I'm like, huh, so
Speaker 2: me and her we it's up. So she started crying.
Speaker 2: We running around. It's that. I'm like, oh, it's up.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, damn. So I'm sitting there with her like, yo,
Speaker 2: I can't believe I just did this because I really
Speaker 2: manifested and created and it worked and we're here, and
Speaker 2: so they like, no, so I go. And that was
Speaker 2: my first seven hundred and fifty thousand so I sold.
Speaker 2: I was twenty one. I think I sold her for
Speaker 2: seven hundred. She signed to me. It's called fs O
Speaker 2: for the Services Up. So she signed on my production company,
Speaker 2: and she signed the Epic Records through me. So so
Speaker 2: I basically you leased the artist pretty much anyway. I
Speaker 2: got the check, bought her a brand new Rams Rover,
Speaker 2: gave her a check, got her out her apartment. She
Speaker 2: was living with her sister and her mom and it's
Speaker 2: like over there in the middle of Korea town and
Speaker 2: something crazy. It was like it was crazy, but got
Speaker 2: them their own spot. They moved into this house. And
Speaker 2: that was the first time I ever flipped. That was
Speaker 2: that was like my first legal brick. Like I like load,
Speaker 2: like I found a collect that was pretty much a
Speaker 2: Colombian connect and I just flipped the whole. All that's
Speaker 2: gone one load. I showed up and we got out
Speaker 2: of there safe and the gorillas didn't get us. That
Speaker 2: was the most money I had ever seen at the time.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh my god, and I just went broke.
Speaker 2: That was the thing. I lost all the money doing
Speaker 2: too much because I had just got all that. The
Speaker 2: second again, yeah yeah, definitely lost again. But but that too,
Speaker 2: I just was. I was down there like two ninety
Speaker 2: I was down there like two and nine dollars. I
Speaker 2: was down I'll tell you all to you know where
Speaker 2: I was at. It was bad. But anyway, so I'm
Speaker 2: sitting there broke, busted and discussed in the office. Boom
Speaker 2: that check come through. It's another seventh. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm up now up so now I'm like, oh, so
Speaker 2: signed her there. That was the first time I ever
Speaker 2: went through having an artist and a major. That whole
Speaker 2: situation went far left. But we're not going to go
Speaker 2: into what that was because that was crazy. But you
Speaker 2: know that taught me a whole bunch of stuff there
Speaker 2: in terms of signing artist to majors and then the net.
Speaker 2: Let's keep skipping. The next big check was when I
Speaker 2: signed a label deal myself to Craig Calman. That was
Speaker 2: my first millions.
Speaker 1: Chris Oh, Chris Lighty, Chris Brown.
Speaker 2: That's where we're going, like watching a movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, I can have popcorn right?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, So Chris Lighty oh ye, okay,
Speaker 2: we gotta wrap this up. So Chris Lighty, this is
Speaker 2: the sick part about this. Chris Lighty dies out the blue,
Speaker 2: right out the blue. So I'm like, what the So
Speaker 2: they called me like Chris dead. I'm like, huh, Chris
Speaker 2: who Chris Lighty dead. I'm like, hold on, bro, what so?
Speaker 2: I'm like what So, I'm fucked off. My head is
Speaker 2: fucked I'm like, bro, so I'm calling Dave. I'm crying.
Speaker 2: I'm fucked up. I'm like, what is going on. So
Speaker 2: this whole conspiracy is crazy. Ship. I'm like, dude, what
Speaker 2: is going So once he once he died, all the
Speaker 2: vultures just fool. It got bad, right, It got bad
Speaker 2: right away because they already didn't like me. You understand,
Speaker 2: they didn't like me. They had to like me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the thing. They had to like me because I
Speaker 2: pressed playing my speakers was smacking their stupid asses, and
Speaker 2: they had to like me because of who I was
Speaker 2: with and it was hierarchy so they couldn't do nothing
Speaker 2: about But like, all right, he's next. He guess he's
Speaker 2: the next Kanye, like they had to, but they didn't
Speaker 2: want to and they didn't. So when he died, and
Speaker 2: my MoMA, one thing I remember I'll never forget. I
Speaker 2: walked into I snuck into the being my awards and
Speaker 2: I walked into the be and my awards And I'm
Speaker 2: gonna leave the exact name out of it because I
Speaker 2: liked the exact now, but back then it was the wick.
Speaker 2: It was the coldest shit I ever heard. And Nigga
Speaker 2: tell me so, I had already liked been trying to
Speaker 2: reach out to people afterwards, to do certain things, even
Speaker 2: trying to reach out to the label and they didn't
Speaker 2: want to respond, and now they direct with my artists
Speaker 2: and I can't even get it.
Speaker 1: Jesus.
Speaker 2: So now the artists and all them is all best
Speaker 2: friends and I can't even nobody want to answer my calls.
Speaker 2: Now it's Rock who is Ain't no Chris, It's just Rock.
Speaker 2: So now I'm the little nigga again. I'm nobody again.
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting there and I'm like, damn, so I
Speaker 2: can't even get to the label. They taking my artists.
Speaker 2: She running around sessions and were about to drop. I
Speaker 2: don't know nothing about it. They doing whatever they want
Speaker 2: to do, and I'm trying to reach out to La
Speaker 2: Read and I can't get to them. None of them
Speaker 2: want to answer my call. So I'm like, man, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: So everybody kind of just blackball. It was like nobody was.
Speaker 2: It was like as soon as Chris, they was like,
Speaker 2: why would we answer the phone without Chris? This isn't
Speaker 2: making any sense right, So what happens is I'm like
Speaker 2: most people would have been like, damn, man, they ain't
Speaker 2: fuck with me. I'm done. But obviously lead that's when
Speaker 2: that confidence, like whatever God has for me, no man,
Speaker 2: could stop. So I already knew like y'all are trying
Speaker 2: to play me and just fueled me. Most people fold
Speaker 2: when they give that type of energy, they fold up.
Speaker 2: I get amped from it. It's like a big It's
Speaker 2: like the big that comes from me being in the
Speaker 2: streets the biggest dude hop out and oh what's up,
Speaker 2: and everybody like hey, backing up, and man, I don't
Speaker 2: want to I'm like, huh, I feel like now you think,
Speaker 2: now you think you want to show me. I'm finished
Speaker 2: try and do some amazing shit. So I want to
Speaker 2: show out. So I'm trying to do I always was
Speaker 2: that guy. I want to fight the biggest dude. I
Speaker 2: want to whatever. So I went after everybody pretty much
Speaker 2: in a nutshell in a different type of way. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I gotta play chess. They don't want to let me
Speaker 2: in the door. I'ma figure this out my throat. So
Speaker 2: I went to the b and my awards and wasn't
Speaker 2: nobody fucking with me. It was all what it was.
Speaker 2: And when I went to be in my awards, the dude,
Speaker 2: the executive, powerful executive, he sees me, he goes, yo,
Speaker 2: So how you being? I'm like, man, ever since Chris
Speaker 2: Lighty died. Man, this industry just I'm seeing how fake
Speaker 2: it is. He's like, yeah, man, like Chris Lighty died,
Speaker 2: we didn't really want you in the building in the
Speaker 2: first place, like we talked to you. He tells me,
Speaker 2: we didn't want you in the building in the first place.
Speaker 2: You you pretty much Chris barged his way in there
Speaker 2: with you, and we couldn't do nothing about it. But
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, he's gone. So I
Speaker 2: don't know what the hell you're gonna do now because
Speaker 2: I don't see it happening. But he'd been waiting to
Speaker 2: say this. This is how wicked he be on the low.
Speaker 2: They don't see it happening. But good luck, bro, And yeah, man,
Speaker 2: it's all good. This is a jew too, It's all good.
Speaker 2: I holler at you. I'm like, damn, I'm like I said, listen,
Speaker 2: I said, Chris Lighty is gone, and you think my
Speaker 2: career over. He's like, I don't think your career is over,
Speaker 2: but I just don't see what you're gonna do next.
Speaker 2: I said, well, first of all, what you gotta understand
Speaker 2: is this shit is in me on a scale you
Speaker 2: haven't even you the fact that you just said that.
Speaker 2: I said, I guarantee you you'll be cutting me a
Speaker 2: check soon, but I'm gonna holler at you, so we'll
Speaker 2: want to shake his hand. So he like, uh so boom,
Speaker 2: So I go back. I tell I guarantee you you're
Speaker 2: gonna cut me a check soon, and that saying nigga
Speaker 2: ended up cutting me multiple checks. But the crazy thing
Speaker 2: is crazy thing is they will try and blacklist you
Speaker 2: to the maximum capacity if they feel like they can't.
Speaker 2: The industry is so scandalous if they can get you
Speaker 2: out the way they will. They're all scary ass executives.
Speaker 2: None of them want to be taking risk and putting
Speaker 2: their job on the line for you. And so I
Speaker 2: ended up, you know, kind of like have to navigate
Speaker 2: my artists being took me kind of running through my
Speaker 2: bread not having nothing going on into who brought me
Speaker 2: back to life Mark Pitts with Chris Brown. So after
Speaker 2: all of that, right, you understand, After all of that,
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there and I'm just like doing independent projects
Speaker 2: really like I gotta I'm hustling, and so I'm just
Speaker 2: doing independent projects. And so like I got a new
Speaker 2: girlfriend and she was signed the TI and I took
Speaker 2: her and now they feel some time. It's crazy. So
Speaker 2: I'm already politic and all kind of stuff, right, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm already in the mix. So I'm like, damn, like,
Speaker 2: I just keep running into roadblocks. So I'm sitting there
Speaker 2: and one day Chris Lighty, no Chris like Mark Pitts
Speaker 2: calls me and he goes, hey, you still make music.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what do I make? I said, Now, Mark,
Speaker 2: you know I'm the greatest that ever lived. Why would
Speaker 2: you call me and ask me? Am I still the
Speaker 2: greatest that ever lived? And he goes, you are nuts?
Speaker 2: He said, Yo, pull up on me, man, we're doing
Speaker 2: this Chris Brown camp, pull up on me. Let's see
Speaker 2: what we can get accomplished. Like, I'm gonna just see.
Speaker 2: So check this out. I had just gotten to a
Speaker 2: whole pretty much scuffle with Chris Brown's whole team in
Speaker 2: the club supper club the night before.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So so I'm in. I'm in. This is how crazy
Speaker 2: it is because I'm in the club, so like, this
Speaker 2: is how I'm doing stuff. So I'm in the club
Speaker 2: supper club and all this stuff because this where all
Speaker 2: the stars is coming like everybody's there. All the big
Speaker 2: stars of the time kept coming to supper club. Yanna
Speaker 2: be there, this person be there. And my boy Johnny Cruz,
Speaker 2: who I grew up with, was running the club. It's
Speaker 2: the biggest club in Hollywood. So I'm in there and
Speaker 2: I'm at the main table and he just like, just
Speaker 2: give me a thousand and give me. So I'm by
Speaker 2: bottles and I got bad bitch. It's ridiculous. I got five, six,
Speaker 2: seven bad. So I'm walking in with seven eight bad bitches.
Speaker 2: And then they like, damn, it's a good was this
Speaker 2: Hugh Hefner. I'm walking in So Chris Brown. This is
Speaker 2: the first time I ever interacted with him besides dance,
Speaker 2: because I met Chris Brown two times before, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't that type of experience. He came to the Jackson House.
Speaker 2: You can actually look up Chris Brown going to the
Speaker 2: Jackson House. I was there. He came to the Jackson
Speaker 2: House to meet the Jackson kids because he's always idolized Michael.
Speaker 2: First time I ever met Chris, but it was quick
Speaker 2: and it was some Jackson. He probably thought I was
Speaker 2: a Jackson kid, right. So I was in the I
Speaker 2: was in there like I was in there doing whatever
Speaker 2: they was doing. Hey, how are you? I think I
Speaker 2: was switching it all up. I don't even know whatever
Speaker 2: they was on. I was doing, yes, but hey, mister Brown,
Speaker 2: are you because they talk real polite about everything, could
Speaker 2: be cussing you out politely. So I'm sitting there with
Speaker 2: them on some like whole other I we all in there.
Speaker 2: He's taking a picture and he's like in awe and
Speaker 2: he's stars struck and I'm in there and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just blending in out and definitely the darkest one.
Speaker 2: And so anyway, so that happened, right, that was the
Speaker 2: first time I met him. Then I met him through
Speaker 2: Crump obviously, because he started to use Crump in everything,
Speaker 2: and so he would come to our Crump arenas Doun
Speaker 2: the Missus obviously, Chris Brother was one of my best
Speaker 2: friends now right all these years later, but back then
Speaker 2: I didn't know. We didn't know each other. So he
Speaker 2: was sitting there and he was going through the Crump arenas,
Speaker 2: and he was like one of the only stars that
Speaker 2: would actually show up to the Crump sessions. So it'd
Speaker 2: be big Crump sessions with all these people doing its
Speaker 2: crump anas, and he would show up in battle on
Speaker 2: stage like all right, cool call out. So he would
Speaker 2: come with britty with me ho and then was like ops.
Speaker 2: So for me, I'm like, ooh, he come with the ops.
Speaker 2: So I'm bumping into him on a dance tip. It's
Speaker 2: still that, you know what I'm saying. It ain't so anyway,
Speaker 2: back to the club. So we in the club, I
Speaker 2: got all these bitches. No, we're doing all this. So
Speaker 2: one day he like, damn, his table over there was
Speaker 2: kind of dry. He like, yo, So I had a
Speaker 2: chick that looked like a bagging now, laters, unbelievable. I'm
Speaker 2: talking the next level, just an all pink star burst.
Speaker 2: And so he was sitting there. He was looking because Chris,
Speaker 2: you know, he if it's a bad bitch around, he
Speaker 2: don't even he like what's going. So I'm like, yo,
Speaker 2: see me. He look over and I don't even know.
Speaker 2: I'm like that. I'm like, so I sent him go
Speaker 2: go to his table. I don't even want you here.
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to like, see you want it. I did.
Speaker 2: It didn't matter anyone Politiican right now, these niggas ain't
Speaker 2: messing it. I was just like yo, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: he's my we're the same age. So he looking at
Speaker 2: me like who is this nigga with all this motion?
Speaker 2: Because who am I?
Speaker 1: So you send over the appetizer?
Speaker 2: I send over there? So he like, damn he said
Speaker 2: this type of frequency. So he over there. He like, okay,
Speaker 2: you kind of respect, like a little bit like, oh
Speaker 2: a nigga, send you a couple bad. But you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: why we ain't be gonna be best friends? But it's
Speaker 2: like so the next week, he don't come to the table,
Speaker 2: don't come to the club. But I come back to
Speaker 2: saying I'm back six change. Hey, look, and then his
Speaker 2: crew come, what's it all my niggas now? But back
Speaker 2: then it wasn't. So then I get there. I bought
Speaker 2: his table because they say he wasn't coming, so I
Speaker 2: bought his table. So they come to his table and
Speaker 2: they telling me like they telling me like, yo, that's
Speaker 2: our table. Really, the homie chick was the one pressing
Speaker 2: the line like this is my table. I'm like, just
Speaker 2: say your fucking table. Fuck you talking about I just
Speaker 2: cut to that. So I don't even know really that
Speaker 2: that's his niggas, his cousin is Keys and Autumn. But
Speaker 2: we in it and we back and forth. So she like,
Speaker 2: so he's stepping up for his girl. I'm like, nigga woo.
Speaker 2: So we're now it's a whole fucking thing between me
Speaker 2: and my niggas. Him keeps all these other niggas. They're
Speaker 2: like ooh, So we get into it. I'm like what
Speaker 2: they do. I'm saying, you know, I'm gangbanging. So I'm
Speaker 2: doing this. I get right to I get right, I
Speaker 2: go right back to South Central. I get right back
Speaker 2: to that and mean what nigga wool? So I'm dripping
Speaker 2: and they like what nigga bo. So it's back and forth,
Speaker 2: and it's up because these niggas is Virginia, rowdy, burnt
Speaker 2: out niggas, and plus a couple other niggas like like Red.
Speaker 2: He had a couple of it, the hommy Red and
Speaker 2: a couple other niggas. It's a couple of buzz out here,
Speaker 2: different niggas. And he was sliding with and they was
Speaker 2: there and I'm I'm payd we on some show. It's up.
Speaker 2: So it's all kind of la shit going on. So
Speaker 2: after that, I'm like, whoah, all right, bet wool and
Speaker 2: we don't bump into each other, nigga, because they came
Speaker 2: and broke it off. I wold, nigga, we gonna wool,
Speaker 2: so we lead the club whatever. The next day, Mark
Speaker 2: Pitts calls me the next day, right, so I don't
Speaker 2: even not even thinking about nothing. So I go into
Speaker 2: the studio Glenn Wood and I walk in. When I
Speaker 2: walk in, I walk by and all seven of them
Speaker 2: niggas is sitting there in the lobby looking at me
Speaker 2: like what the fuck? So when I walk up, they
Speaker 2: hop up, they like, what's up with this nigga? And
Speaker 2: I'm looking. I'm like, so I'm walking by this again,
Speaker 2: and Mark like he come meet me in a lobby
Speaker 2: like rock what up? So then they see Mark see
Speaker 2: me and they know he the executive, so they're like
Speaker 2: they kind of stopped like hold on, bro, like what
Speaker 2: the fuck? So they on some shit. I'm on some shit.
Speaker 2: I'm like yeah, So I tell Mark, I go in
Speaker 2: the back. I ain't say nothing to Mark. I ain't
Speaker 2: gonna lie. I ain't even tell him nothing. And he's
Speaker 2: still to this day he talk to Mark Nzy always
Speaker 2: be like Yo, this nigga. He didn't even tell him nothing.
Speaker 2: He takes me back to room see and Glenn Wood
Speaker 2: and he tells me, all right, Rock, just try and
Speaker 2: create something. You know what I'm saying. We working on Chris,
Speaker 2: and just try and create something. And I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: shit whatever. So I go in there and I start
Speaker 2: creating crazy shit. Right. So the nigga come back in
Speaker 2: like twelve minutes later, and he like, why the fuck
Speaker 2: you didn't tell me you be beefing with these niggas.
Speaker 2: You got in a fight with these niggas? Yes, So
Speaker 2: Mark like, Rock, why you didn't tell me you got
Speaker 2: in a fight with these And I'm like, but I
Speaker 2: get to plan psychology. I'm like, so because I got
Speaker 2: something going on with somebody's friends or posse or homies
Speaker 2: that has something to do with an executive conversation. I
Speaker 2: just told, you know, Chris. Then I start bringing up Chris,
Speaker 2: like and did that, and then he like, listen, Rod,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go in there and I'm gonna shut it down.
Speaker 2: Don't come out this room, and you just work okay,
Speaker 2: And I don't got time. So I'm like all right,
Speaker 2: So I'm in the room, right and he don't come
Speaker 2: back for like six hours. So I do five records.
Speaker 2: Like niggas do not even a song in a day.
Speaker 2: I did five of them, bitches. So he come back
Speaker 2: in the room and he's like, yo, you did you
Speaker 2: do anything. I'm like anything. So the group, so my
Speaker 2: bands who is the engineer at the time who ended
Speaker 2: up being my engineer for the whole album after that,
Speaker 2: he was in there. He was like, Yo, this nigga
Speaker 2: just did five songs. He was like, five songs. Hell no, bro,
Speaker 2: I just did five song. He like, press play, So
Speaker 2: a press play on this record call up Down that
Speaker 2: you can google and actually see c be a first record.
Speaker 2: He actually cut him one. It's called up Down. I
Speaker 2: did this record. He like this is crazy. He like,
Speaker 2: hold on, man, hold on. This is what I was
Speaker 2: trying to tell niggas. So he walk out the room
Speaker 2: and I'm like damn. So he go get Chris in
Speaker 2: room A and Chris come walking in with fifty niggas.
Speaker 2: Told me I'm talking about like fifty niggas, all the niggas.
Speaker 2: I got problems with the other niggas, the niggas that
Speaker 2: they was in there talking shit with ten at Davis
Speaker 2: Seventh Streeter. All these niggas right, So I'm like, damn.
Speaker 2: So they come walking. They they're so thick that they
Speaker 2: can't even fit through the studio door. That's how many
Speaker 2: of them niggas. It was, and bitches. Everything they gave
Speaker 2: everybody came because they're like, let's see you with this niggas. Ok,
Speaker 2: So I press played. He marked like, hey, play that
Speaker 2: last song. So I don't even look at them niggas.
Speaker 2: I just turn around to the board and press play.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you know that. And the way I'm
Speaker 2: getting off, like as a dancer, like the way I
Speaker 2: bob in, the way I moved the shit. He was like, oh,
Speaker 2: like it immediately, but the shit was banging, so he like, damn.
Speaker 2: So I turned like out the blue like you know,
Speaker 2: like thirty seconds later, I'm playing, and that nigga back
Speaker 2: there like right, but the niggas behind him is like
Speaker 2: Dave was not with nothing I was talking about. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn. So he I see him, He like, hey, bro,
Speaker 2: when it come out, he like that's fight. He loaded
Speaker 2: up in the room. I'm like, oh okay, So he
Speaker 2: take the record, go load it up. And then when
Speaker 2: he loaded it up, he like, whoa you come back.
Speaker 2: So I'm in there and Mark like just keep working.
Speaker 2: So it's like twelve o'clock and I'm instilled in there working.
Speaker 2: I did another like four records. I'm like, this is
Speaker 2: I don't give I'm out working everybody, nigga, I'm making hits.
Speaker 2: Fuck everybody, let's go. I'm looking shit loaded up, knock
Speaker 2: it out. I'm free styling records. That's how crazy I
Speaker 2: was going on these records. And then so he like
Speaker 2: he come back in Chris like by himself. He like, hey,
Speaker 2: come listen to this. So I'm like all right. So
Speaker 2: I go in the room, I go listen to the record.
Speaker 2: And when I'm listening to the record, I'm like damn.
Speaker 2: And so he played it. He like whoa, whoa. And
Speaker 2: now these nigga's in there bobbing because they was in
Speaker 2: there with him and they feel like they're part of
Speaker 2: it there. So now everybody fucking with it now. And
Speaker 2: then so I'm in there, I come in. They still
Speaker 2: got to stank attitude whatever, right so so so so
Speaker 2: basically he was like, yo, I love this record. D
Speaker 2: So he told Mark Markers like I told you this
Speaker 2: nigga hot, and so he left you. When we was leaving,
Speaker 2: he was like, I'm about to go home, but listen, bro.
Speaker 2: After I get off community service, like meet me here
Speaker 2: like like come tomorrow, Bro. I'm like all right, for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Chris tell me like come tomorrow. Yeah. He's like at
Speaker 2: the community service like come tomorrow. I'm like all right. Show.
Speaker 2: Oh So I tell Mark like, hey, Chris told me
Speaker 2: to come tomorrow. Should I come? He like, yeah, nigga, come,
Speaker 2: what the hell did you talk about? Come and stop
Speaker 2: blindsiding me. I sat there and had to put my
Speaker 2: neck in. Tina came over here and you to cuss
Speaker 2: me out about you. I'm like, damn. So from there,
Speaker 2: I came every day and every day I made Hit
Speaker 2: Records until I made Find China, and then it was bad.
Speaker 2: Then it was over. It's over, It's done. I mean crazily.
Speaker 2: I did executive produced the like I'm from then where no,
Speaker 2: But you know I went from executive produce. I went
Speaker 2: from that album. So after Find China see Find China, see,
Speaker 2: Chris was at a very different place. And this is
Speaker 2: why me being in at Jackson House changed my life.
Speaker 2: Because Find China changed my life. You understand what I'm
Speaker 2: saying that was the biggest record, and it changed the radio,
Speaker 2: and it made everybody think Michael Jackson had just died.
Speaker 2: It made everybody. Even Janet Jackson called and said, this
Speaker 2: is the closest thing I ever heard to my brother,
Speaker 2: I need whoever produced this album to come do my album,
Speaker 2: which is crazy because she didn't even know I was
Speaker 2: dating her niece. She't even know it was me, so
Speaker 2: but that's a different story. But what I'm saying is fine.
Speaker 2: China was so massive and it hit so hard that everybody.
Speaker 2: Bruno Mars changed his sound. Everybody changed their sound and
Speaker 2: went to that. Bruno Mars went from beautiful girls to
Speaker 2: now everybody's in the eighties. I don't want no I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: so all y'all want to bring basslines to the radio.
Speaker 2: I changed music guaranteed. So once Chris did find China.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, Timberland walked in the room
Speaker 2: and then me and Timberland was locked in for about
Speaker 2: four months straight. Timberland is the reason I did the
Speaker 2: stuff with Beyonce. With Beyonce flew me out to Jungle
Speaker 2: City and he brought me to at least get Timberland
Speaker 2: brought me to some different people because me and him
Speaker 2: was super locked in. So but he came to the
Speaker 2: camp late after the album was damn, they're done, and
Speaker 2: he was like he heard find China, stopped the music
Speaker 2: and said, listen, this is the craziest shit. What the
Speaker 2: fuck is happening? Who did this? And they was like, oh,
Speaker 2: Chris and Allen was like that nigga. He was like, nigga,
Speaker 2: you are not normal. Oh for shure, they're like you.
Speaker 2: But at that time I was at I was in
Speaker 2: the camp, his friends, it became my best friends, his cousin,
Speaker 2: my cousin. We all together, we at the clubs together,
Speaker 2: were moving around. I played Autumn Leaves for Rihanna and
Speaker 2: she cried, oh he played at at least for Rihanna.
Speaker 2: She cried Niggas like, I can't like. The records were
Speaker 2: so vicious that it was like people couldn't believe that
Speaker 2: niggas was creating this level of music. And that was
Speaker 2: my time to shine. That was my time to show
Speaker 2: the industry through the biggest artists in the world, that
Speaker 2: I was. And so that record Fine China changed everything
Speaker 2: because I went from that to executive producing this album.
Speaker 2: I did not I did. I did ten records on
Speaker 2: X on that album and I named the album X
Speaker 2: with Diplo, Me, Diplo, Chris. We did the X, but
Speaker 2: we actually named the album X off this record that
Speaker 2: we did called X and it was life. That was
Speaker 2: life changing for me. That record changed my life. And
Speaker 2: then I went from that to doing j Lo's album,
Speaker 2: Fergie album, Usher, Rihann, everybody you could think of it
Speaker 2: just domino effect once they knew, oh he's him, and
Speaker 2: the executives can get around it no more. Once show
Speaker 2: artists are requested me, who did that? Well, who's the
Speaker 2: nigga that's always with Chris? Who's the nigga that just
Speaker 2: did that? Brought him? Because Chris Brown was in a
Speaker 2: place where nobody was trying to hear his shit no more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there wasn't fucking with him. And then I said, well,
Speaker 2: why don't we do a Jackson record that is going
Speaker 2: to remind the world, like Michael Jackson was getting in
Speaker 2: bullshit every day, dude, whack old jack Oh this is this.
Speaker 2: But when he pressed play, oh, that ship went out
Speaker 2: the window. And we do a Michael record. And so
Speaker 2: when he did that, he took a risk and he
Speaker 2: did the Michael record. They was right back on his dick.
Speaker 1: So now that we've gotten your full scope and your
Speaker 1: tipping points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that you got a little black listed in between.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Tried. After that, it became bad. They couldn't do it on.
Speaker 1: Now you've been a successful now became my best friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now they're all your best friends, know, Yeah.
Speaker 2: All of those ones. That was all they was doing this.
Speaker 2: Who's on the phone, Oh yeah, tell him email me.
Speaker 2: They was doing that. Damn same niggas is hitting my
Speaker 2: line sixty dollars. My latist said, is there can I get? Oh? Oh?
Speaker 2: Is this the same nigga that I didn't believe in me? Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm a link. Oh yeah, send them through. I'm dumb
Speaker 2: talking the niggas crazy too, don't get it twisted. I'm
Speaker 2: letting them. I'm reminding them that they didn't believe back then.
Speaker 2: But because I'm a scorpios, I can't. You can't forget. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't forget. I'm not gonna let you forget. But
Speaker 2: now I'll get over it. But you won't forget.
Speaker 1: I believe it. I'm very fair scorpios. Yeah, but now
Speaker 1: now that you're you're you're killing it in the music game,
Speaker 1: you're also tapping into the entrepreneur game. You're doing that.
Speaker 1: I guess we're not going to talk about your.
Speaker 2: Ar about skipping up till now. Yeah. Well well yeah
Speaker 2: now we now we thirteen Grammys later, and we just
Speaker 2: want to build. No, thirteen thirteen.
Speaker 1: I thought I was fifteen.
Speaker 2: No, I was at eleven, and then we're up for
Speaker 2: three right now? Ok, A fourteen Yeah, that's that's all
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. That's a hundred million records.
Speaker 1: We're here, We're here, yeah, right over time. But I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure that I cover just kind
Speaker 1: of the today's standpoint, like what's going on with you? Now?
Speaker 2: We got rock wireless, Yeah, Rockstar wireless, ros Star wireless Yeah,
Speaker 2: well yeah, because you got a transition. So making millions
Speaker 2: of dollars and becoming a mogul in music gets you
Speaker 2: to a place, right, And that made all my some
Speaker 2: of my best friends like flow Rider and different people
Speaker 2: that support me. Me and floor Rider used to sleep
Speaker 2: on the floor at Davonte's swing studio. Yeah, if you
Speaker 2: talked to flow Rider and be like you used to
Speaker 2: sleep on the floor at Me and flow Rider used
Speaker 2: to sleep on the floor at Davonte's swing studio and
Speaker 2: we were sharing burgers and Sharon Fries and shit like that.
Speaker 2: He got discovered, went to Miami and I think signed
Speaker 2: a trick that year, one of them out the blue.
Speaker 2: But we was all there, broke busted in discussion. This
Speaker 2: is why floor Rider is one of my best friends
Speaker 2: in the world. And it just killed that that ninety
Speaker 2: million dollar deal with Celsius and all that time heat.
Speaker 2: That's one of my best friends. I love floor Rider
Speaker 2: to death. But we came from the bottom together. But
Speaker 2: a lot of the people that I came up with
Speaker 2: and when I became a mogan whatever situate, they support
Speaker 2: me on a different scale because they've really seen what
Speaker 2: I went through to become something bigger and so tech.
Speaker 2: I've always been in a tech it was my passion forever.
Speaker 2: Like we won the CS Award for Most Innovative Technology
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen for the dual screen cell phone. Me
Speaker 2: and my partner Darius Allen, which I partnered in Rockster
Speaker 2: Wireless with was creating cell phones, selling cell phones, tablets
Speaker 2: with the projectors, doing stuff that people couldn't do early
Speaker 2: and so I stick to the same code I start
Speaker 2: with you. I'm finished, but still my partner in things
Speaker 2: that we do. All day. I was doing tech since
Speaker 2: I figured that tech was what's next, Crypto was what's next.
Speaker 2: I had a million dollars in crypto. I had million
Speaker 2: dollars in bitcoin when bitcoin was two thousand dollars. My
Speaker 2: boy DA put me up on a play. I made
Speaker 2: million dollars in bitcoin early. So I was on plays
Speaker 2: everything tech early, and I was always in it, and
Speaker 2: I was just honing creating, and so that's how I
Speaker 2: kind of got into tech. Because music will make you
Speaker 2: a certain amount of money, but it's a gateway drug.
Speaker 2: And the problem is people stay in music forever. Catalog
Speaker 2: publishing all that. That's cool, but it's limited. I take that.
Speaker 2: I've used that gateway drug to get into a much
Speaker 2: bigger atmosphere, and I use the connections and the people
Speaker 2: I've built this world with to This is how beats
Speaker 2: By Dre becomes a four billion dollar company. You take
Speaker 2: Jimmy Iveen starts dabbling in tech, he takes the doctor
Speaker 2: dres and now here it's the influence of this. So
Speaker 2: Chris Brown one hundred and fifty six million followers on
Speaker 2: just one platform. If that's your people and he pushes
Speaker 2: a button, you now, even if it's just ten percent,
Speaker 2: you got fifteen million users on a platform, you could
Speaker 2: already sell the platform just off them users at one percent,
Speaker 2: one point five million users on a platform. So once
Speaker 2: I started to understand and extra strategies, how to do
Speaker 2: reverse mergers and the shell companies, how to do pink sheets,
Speaker 2: how to sit there and run stocks from the top
Speaker 2: to the bottom. How to really understand the crypto markets,
Speaker 2: the NFT markets, how to mint, how to understand floors,
Speaker 2: where Ethereum went, where this is it? Solana all the coins?
Speaker 2: How to go through different situations. I study things, and
Speaker 2: once I started understanding where the money was, I started
Speaker 2: to create tech companies on a scale that's like okay, music,
Speaker 2: tech influence all in one situation. Then that's how I
Speaker 2: got Rockstar Wireless. Did it with the head of T Mobile,
Speaker 2: Dan Thigerson, Mike Seffert and all of them, And they
Speaker 2: came in, They're like, yo, we support we don't have
Speaker 2: any minority NB and os let's tag team. So we
Speaker 2: locked in with them. Did that did the biggest deal.
Speaker 2: We're the only black owned cell phone company and that's worldwide,
Speaker 2: and we have better rates than everybody else. Yeah, e
Speaker 2: racing everybody now.
Speaker 1: And now we know that I'm going to get a
Speaker 1: second line. Oh yeah, get you a second oneless.
Speaker 2: As you know, Mint Mobile just sold for one point
Speaker 2: four billion. That's how Ryan got his one point four billion,
Speaker 2: as he would have had to do a lot of
Speaker 2: movies to get that. But you know that tech takes
Speaker 2: you somewhere else. I also have Trinity Social, which TikTok
Speaker 2: is going out of style and they're about to get banned.
Speaker 2: So we created a social media platform that encompasses all
Speaker 2: of the platforms into one platform. That's why it's called Trinity.
Speaker 2: It's like the Father, the son Hoole. It's like all
Speaker 2: of the things in one is the Trinity. And so
Speaker 2: it's called Trinity Social. And we have a version of
Speaker 2: Clubhouse in there, a version of OnlyFans in there. We
Speaker 2: have everything that Instagram gives you from feeds, you can monetize,
Speaker 2: go lot, everything all inside one social media app. And
Speaker 2: so that's next stuff as well as doloaded. Right now
Speaker 2: in your app store, download Trinity Social. You'll love it
Speaker 2: if you're tired of paying however much you're paying, and
Speaker 2: people paying three four five hundred dollars on cell phone bills,
Speaker 2: you can come to Rockstar wireless were given nineteen ninety nine, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what you want to do. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you beat that. I pay for it when
Speaker 2: coming to play.
Speaker 1: My phone way too hot. So we gotta go, We
Speaker 1: gotta go.
Speaker 2: And so I've been building heavy tech companies and running
Speaker 2: plays and now I'm kind of the bridge between tech
Speaker 2: companies and the music business. It's impossible to get to
Speaker 2: a Chris Brown, It's impossible to get to a Jennifer Lopez.
Speaker 2: It's and possible to get to a Fergie or a
Speaker 2: Prince Royce or even like certain basketball players certain and
Speaker 2: they're all my best friend. Like there's people I'm day
Speaker 2: to day with. So I bridge gaps between even other
Speaker 2: companies that I rock with, and we bridge gaps so
Speaker 2: that their companies can scale a lot faster than the
Speaker 2: traditional marketing of strategies, because that's really the new marketing strategy,
Speaker 2: Like influencers and so I have, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: ignorant amount of them, and so we go crazy and
Speaker 2: we're all friends, Like I only mess with people that
Speaker 2: I like, And so that's the whole situation. And I've
Speaker 2: just been scaling and just building from there. And that's
Speaker 2: how I you know, coming from nothing to something, that's
Speaker 2: how that really happened. And when I tell somebody I
Speaker 2: really was sleeping coming from nothing, that's something I really
Speaker 2: built it break by brick by brick by step.
Speaker 1: I think we just learned that just now hell Broke's
Speaker 1: head to lit to to really lit to wealthy, I
Speaker 1: would say more wealthy.
Speaker 2: I'm still rich. I feel like I need to get
Speaker 2: to I'm getting to wealthy once I exit you know,
Speaker 2: two or three of these companies or even one of
Speaker 2: even one of them, Uh, you know, it's going to
Speaker 2: be a wealthy situation. But until then, I would say
Speaker 2: rich because you know, for me, uh, until you're nine
Speaker 2: ten figures, until you're in a one hundred million range,
Speaker 2: like ten figures. Yeah, I touched ten figures in terms
Speaker 2: of deals, but that's ten million, nine million. I know
Speaker 2: that's a million eleven minute. But you're talking about people
Speaker 2: are out here running around with billions and billions and
Speaker 2: hundreds of me. So it's like for me, I'm still
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get to where I need to get I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm pushing buttons, you know what I'm saying on a
Speaker 2: different scale. And that's why I've set things up to
Speaker 2: make sure that the exit strategies are built. Do not
Speaker 2: build anything in your life and without an exit strategy,
Speaker 2: and that's how you set yourself up for failure. And
Speaker 2: when you learn how to build an exit strategy and
Speaker 2: anything it is, you don't want to be tied to
Speaker 2: something forever like that get, you know, unless it's now.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about people, the girl, you know whatever, family,
Speaker 2: love and friends and that's different. But I'm talking about
Speaker 2: companies because they're stressful. You build them, do it and
Speaker 2: then you let somebody become the machine and move and
Speaker 2: you either sit back and just get residuals forever, or
Speaker 2: you put it in a place where it's gone and
Speaker 2: you win and you can relax. It's about buying an
Speaker 2: island and you know, growing your own fruit, stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, nothing is something is a real thing.
Speaker 1: For me, it is and well, I just want to
Speaker 1: thank you so much for cooking for me. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and probably hands down one of the best storytellers, most animated.
Speaker 1: I loved hearing your story and thank you so much
Speaker 1: for taking time out of your day of course to
Speaker 1: come down here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate you. I'm sycause oh yeah, I'm the
Speaker 2: AI goggles too.
Speaker 1: He got the AI and I'm obsessed with as.
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm gonna be we got a bunch
Speaker 2: of different stuff.
Speaker 1: Your I could be your test, the person that tests,
Speaker 1: because I'll keep it.
Speaker 2: But if you pass out, I don't know what to
Speaker 2: I'm just.
Speaker 1: You know, but I'm saying like I could be like
Speaker 1: the critical reviewer. I'll be like, I'll keep it all
Speaker 1: the way real, no filter.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna see. I just created a pet s D
Speaker 2: program through sound therapy through frequent ancient frequencies like war
Speaker 2: drums and waterfall and stuff. And I'll give you that
Speaker 2: and see how you feel after going through like the
Speaker 2: PTSD UH sound frequency. It's to to to calm like
Speaker 2: for really for the military, for people that are overseas,
Speaker 2: to calm their nerves when they're in the middle of Iraq.
Speaker 2: You can zone out and jump into you know, or
Speaker 2: wherever you're at, jumping to a frequency therapy program that
Speaker 2: actually is a real therapeutic situation. That's happening, and you
Speaker 2: can you know, select being wherever you want to be
Speaker 2: on a beach or you know wherever, and it's real time,
Speaker 2: it's real, it's heavy, it's crazy to try it.
Speaker 1: Reviewer, Yeah, please be a hard reviewer. I'm going to
Speaker 1: be excited about it too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then the tech ain't gonna stop, so you
Speaker 2: just stay tuned.
Speaker 1: I got I'm coming up with a lot of stuff, creates.
Speaker 2: Please do Yeah, rock star follow me of course, rock
Speaker 2: Star music R O C C S C A R
Speaker 2: music on everything.
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