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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lally. He is Matt Williams

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Speaker 1: Live on the Drive. How about that Live on the Drive.

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Speaker 1: I've on the drive as the Steelers practice here next

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Speaker 1: to us at St. Vincent College, and Matt I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: uh uh in the previous segment there at the end,

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Speaker 1: um you always like to play. Uh, what if I

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Speaker 1: put these guys out together, these guys out together right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, get mad scientists right right right with the packages.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned this because Tim Ben's uh me. I was

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Speaker 1: on with him last night on a on a late show,

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Speaker 1: and he was texting me yesterday. So now I have

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Speaker 1: a hunch where you might be going with this. He's

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Speaker 1: talking about some some you know, they need you know,

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Speaker 1: more twelve more, twelve personal I think he said they

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Speaker 1: played twelve personnel sixteen percent of the time. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: pull up my my, uh tim Ben's history here, he said, uh.

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Speaker 1: He went to chart football and he said the Steelers

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Speaker 1: ran out of twelve personnel only sixteen percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: He said, I remember that look right to you, and

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Speaker 1: I said, yeah, it does. But he was wondering that

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Speaker 1: because he looked at the snap counts for Zach Gentry

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Speaker 1: and Farrenmouth, and they were actually pretty close, and so

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Speaker 1: I think they're closer than people think. Like Gentry was

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Speaker 1: just a little over four hundred some snaps and and

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Speaker 1: Farrenmouth was just over five hundred snaps. Did farmouth playoff games?

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Speaker 1: He missed a game I thought missed one. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I know the last playoff game Gentry out snapped him too,

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Speaker 1: But that wasn't in this equation, right. But you know

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Speaker 1: that's because so often last year when they were going

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Speaker 1: to run the football right, it was Gentry. Gentry was

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Speaker 1: in the game. Gentry is gonna help the old line.

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Speaker 1: They were in eleven personnel and they were gonna that

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Speaker 1: that's their main you know. The only two teams that

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Speaker 1: ran more eleven than them were Cincinnati and MS, two

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Speaker 1: teams that were in the Super Bowl. So I doesn't

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Speaker 1: leave much that's I don't know if that's necessarily a

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Speaker 1: bad thing if the two teams that were in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl were doing it, But if you look at

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Speaker 1: the personnel, that's you know, he asked me about and

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Speaker 1: I said, well, you want to put your best personnel

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Speaker 1: on the field. So if I'm going to ask Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson to put on his offensive coordinator had who are

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Speaker 1: their best personnel? In your eyes, that which one gives

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Speaker 1: opposing defensive coordinators the most fits real quick though, I

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Speaker 1: mean just getting in Tim's head, and we've both done

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Speaker 1: a lot of radio with Benzi. Get near his head,

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Speaker 1: I don't, but I bet he's sitting there thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember Friar Muth and Gentry having that closest

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Speaker 1: snap count. You'd think Friar mu nap he's the better player.

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Speaker 1: But if there's only a high percentage of eleven and

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Speaker 1: there's only what you say, six of twelve or eighteen

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Speaker 1: percent of twelve, and we know we know what hardly

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Speaker 1: played at all, it doesn't leave a lot of other options.

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Speaker 1: Because they didn't run thirteen with three tight ends. There

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Speaker 1: were some definitely four receiver sets though too um not

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Speaker 1: to kill your drill, because I think defense is more

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Speaker 1: fun actually for this team, we could do that after this,

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear that their best five. Well,

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Speaker 1: the difference between defense and offense is there's only five

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Speaker 1: variables really as opposed to eleven. Not the t J

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Speaker 1: water cam's leaving the field, but I really think it's

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Speaker 1: Pickings and Deonte on the outside Claypool on the slot.

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Speaker 1: Friar Muth is an every down tight end, sometimes detached,

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Speaker 1: sometimes in line, and nausea is your back. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I would love to see one of the receivers, and

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Speaker 1: there's several options, including the draft, pick Miller, you know,

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Speaker 1: all those dudes, and I think Gentry deserves snaps, but

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Speaker 1: I think there's a gap after their top five. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that's given Pickens a little too much credit already, but

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Speaker 1: I just think that I'd rather play against Gentry than Pickens.

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Speaker 1: That's that's kind of what I told Tim. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you know, any time that you're taking you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can do more twelve personnel, but then you know,

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Speaker 1: take one of those receivers off the field and that's

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Speaker 1: a win for the defense, to win for the defense. Um,

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Speaker 1: maybe I feel like I'm anointing Claypool as the slot,

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Speaker 1: but we haven't seen it and we don't know. The

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Speaker 1: plan is is more just to you know, when they

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Speaker 1: Claypool gets the most snaps there, but sometimes it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be Johnson. Maybe sometimes it's gonna be Pickens. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that they When I asked Deante about that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the earliest week, he said, look, we there's no offense

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Speaker 1: to the to the group that we had last year.

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Speaker 1: But I think we're more diverse this year. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: field and you're the you're the defensive coordinator sitting up

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Speaker 1: in the booth. You're watching this. Okay, they're gonna do this.

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Speaker 1: You know this, this is what they this is the

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Speaker 1: personnel they've got on the field. We've got this narrow

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Speaker 1: down now with this group. When they're in the huddle

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Speaker 1: and you see Pickens and you see you know, frar

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Speaker 1: And that's point because Claypole certainly can do Yeoman's work

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Speaker 1: outside as well. It's a good way looking at it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure that was part of their thought process

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Speaker 1: this offseason is let's not pigeonhole where we're gonna line up,

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Speaker 1: and boy, it's showing out here in the last two

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Speaker 1: practices too. I mean nazis out wide more Nauzy might

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Speaker 1: be in the slot once in a while, I removed

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Speaker 1: might be in this slot once in a while. I

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Speaker 1: don't know Gentry will be. But you know, um Miller

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Speaker 1: all those options, and I think Austin somebody, just if

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Speaker 1: go routs, um, you know, or whatever, right, and some defenses,

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Speaker 1: you know, you look at and say, but Mike Hilton's

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Speaker 1: gonna line up in the slot every snap. I know

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Speaker 1: that if we're in there, and if we can force

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Speaker 1: them into nickel, and then this matchup, I want to

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Speaker 1: get Claypool on Hilton, you know. I mean, I want

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Speaker 1: Jump comes Mr Pickens running at us. Now there we go.

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Speaker 1: So he's uh, he's he has a buzz here. That's

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Speaker 1: why I'm putting him on the fields, digging and zagging

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Speaker 1: his way through to He's a big dude. He's a

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Speaker 1: big dude, and he's a little shiftier that shift he's

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Speaker 1: got loose hips and yeah, I always think of him

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Speaker 1: as more of outside the numbers only I mean that's

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Speaker 1: to be one of the best receivers in the league.

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Speaker 1: Not like, oh, he's a pretty good player. I mean

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Speaker 1: I really think he's a chance one of the best

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Speaker 1: will say though, if by chance, you know, they're looking

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Speaker 1: slot situation doesn't exactly go as planned, we might see

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Speaker 1: more twelve personnel. I mean, Gentry is useful, he's legitimate,

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Speaker 1: and like last year, at this time, we would not

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Speaker 1: have said that, you know, he was closer to not

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Speaker 1: making the team as to be in the Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: like they find so when he replaces Gentry, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think he's done a nice job of of re

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Speaker 1: sculpting his money and and and you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: reinventing himself as a blocking tight end. That was certainly

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Speaker 1: I mean, he went to college as a quarterback Michigan

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Speaker 1: Giant quarterback obviously, and as you know, so did Heath Miller.

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Speaker 1: Heath Miller made that transition as well. That's not uncommon, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because they understand what the quarterbacks looking at, how to

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Speaker 1: sit down in zones, read coverage on the fly, similar

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Speaker 1: body type. But they weren't block a whole lot of Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Well do any blocking, I mean, obviously is your former profession. Um.

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting thinking though, like, if I'm playing the Browns,

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Speaker 1: Gentry is gonna play a lot of snaps and he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be on Myles Garrett's side. Yeah, you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean just the same way what gets treated or I mean,

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Speaker 1: if I'm playing the Steelers, I would put Gentry on

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Speaker 1: what side a lot and he might even out snap

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Speaker 1: Friar move that game. You know, an elite edge rusher

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Speaker 1: changes the opinion a little bit. But then you can

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Speaker 1: make Friarmo with your slot in a lot of situations.

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Speaker 1: That's the beauty of him. I mean, he runs well

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Speaker 1: be you know, that big of a deal. Um, And

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Speaker 1: we talked with this a lot. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: a big reason people's script plays, is I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't even I don't want the schedule in front

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Speaker 1: of you. But week five, you tried out there on

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Speaker 1: first and ten and twelve personnel and you get base.

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Speaker 1: You know that someone plays their base four three or

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Speaker 1: three four, Well you might detach firemooth like crazy. Then Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if they're gonna play Nickel, when we're gonna line them

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Speaker 1: behind Gentry in a you know, a big formation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Bengals and Mike. You know Mike Hilton's are slot and

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Speaker 1: you know he's a great player, but I'm still gonna

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Speaker 1: want to match up on the six ft five tight

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Speaker 1: pickings Like you said, is he gonna press press pickings

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Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage you from a slop position

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Speaker 1: or you know, or even down in the in the

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Speaker 1: red zone and picking the might just post him right

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Speaker 1: now if if the opposing team has a safety that

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Speaker 1: which I've flipping things over. Is why I might think

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Speaker 1: we might see more of Minca in the slot here

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Speaker 1: and there. I always think about the Ravens like I

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Speaker 1: want him on Andrew's every snap and make him go

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Speaker 1: anywhere but him, you know what I mean. I think

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Speaker 1: it's certainly interesting. And I know they've also once again

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Speaker 1: gone with a little two back offense here as well,

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Speaker 1: with Najia Harris, and whether it be Anthony McFarland, whether

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Speaker 1: it be uh uh the new kid that they signed McNichols,

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Speaker 1: m um. So, I don't think this team fits that

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Speaker 1: and it rarely works because only one of them can

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Speaker 1: carry the ball. But I look at like the Packers

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Speaker 1: and think they just traded Davante Adams. They're tight ends

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Speaker 1: are okay, they're looking for receivers besides Aaron Rodger of

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Speaker 1: their skill guys. Clearly Dylan and Aaron Jones are their

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Speaker 1: most talented players. And if the Steelers had Aaron Jones

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Speaker 1: think any of the dudes we're talking about have proven

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Speaker 1: to deserve snaps over even Anthony Miller. Let alone, Gentry

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Speaker 1: Lets you know what I mean? You know, are you

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Speaker 1: doing the defensive favor that guy thought putting Ray Ray

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Speaker 1: that conversation. But they're not there right now, not there now,

424
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Speaker 1: and you hope one of them emerges, or McFarland or

425
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Speaker 1: you know whoever, or somebody's only on a team I

426
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Speaker 1: don't know, you know, but defensively, so let me throw

427
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Speaker 1: this at you because I keep referencing this hit I

428
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Speaker 1: just did with Stan savereign. He I guess he's been

429
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Speaker 1: asking his listeners, you know, who's the I forget how

430
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Speaker 1: he phrased it, who's the most important new stealer? And uh,

431
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Speaker 1: of all the new players this year, which one outside

432
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Speaker 1: of quarterback must perform their best? And he prefaced it

433
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Speaker 1: and he said, Matt, I think it's James Daniels. And

434
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Speaker 1: I said, I think that's great, but I'm pretty confident

435
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Speaker 1: that he'll perform well. And and I countered with what

436
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Speaker 1: about Mason Cole, you know, offensive lines of worrisome spot um,

437
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Speaker 1: if he performs his best is how he phrased it.

438
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: They've been pretty good shape on the old line. If Himan,

439
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 1: if he's a pretty good center. What about Larry Ogen

440
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Speaker 1: Job And he said, okay, Job, he's been getting a

441
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Speaker 1: lot of votes. And I said, they're all good calls.

442
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm going mouth jack though, And here's why.

443
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Speaker 1: And it goes to your conversation. Is we talked about

444
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Speaker 1: this yesterday the day before. I like their defensive backfield.

445
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Speaker 1: I see one star in their defensive backfield, and that's

446
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 1: make of course, but I see a lot of depth.

447
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 1: I mean, if Norwood, who I've am fond of is

448
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Speaker 1: their eighth best defensive back or whatever. And this is

449
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Speaker 1: really a Kzy comment is if they go six deep

450
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Speaker 1: with Witherspoon, wall Is, Sutton Kzy and the two starting

451
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: safeties Edmunds and Fitzpatrick, my hunches they play more dime

452
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Speaker 1: this year. That's what I'm thinking as well, which then

453
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,479
Speaker 1: means Miles Jack was my answer as a stands question,

454
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: because bushes off the field. You got a four man front,

455
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: one true linebacker and six defensive backs. So in order

456
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 1: to pull that off, that one linebacker better be pretty

457
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: darn good assignment, sound, good communicator, able to play the run,

458
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Speaker 1: but also you know cover as well. So I went

459
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Speaker 1: with Jack and I think he's an upgrade over Shobert.

460
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Speaker 1: I think you know that package. I also threw out

461
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: there's also good insurance if Bush doesn't step up, that

462
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: they haven't had a high end linebacker for a little

463
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Speaker 1: while now. Yeah, I mean, I think he can be

464
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Speaker 1: that guy. And again, I don't look at what he

465
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Speaker 1: did last year, don't you. I don't look at what

466
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Speaker 1: anybody did last year in Jackson and trying to judge

467
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: we all think Trevor Lawrence thinks now all of a sudden,

468
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Speaker 1: you know. So I mean that was a dismal, dysfunctional situation,

469
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Speaker 1: completely dysfunctional, Yeah, I think. And the interesting thing is,

470
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Speaker 1: you know, I think it's it can be three safeties

471
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Speaker 1: and three corners on the field, yeah, right right, and

472
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Speaker 1: three of them might there might be among your best eleven.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of where I was going with that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I really think and if I'm talking on both sides

475
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Speaker 1: of my mouth though, but I like their d line

476
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Speaker 1: room too, you know, six or seven of those guys

477
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Speaker 1: that you know, I mean, it would it be terrible

478
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Speaker 1: for a Lulu to be on the bench with Cam

479
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Speaker 1: Hayward next to Lee out, you know, or and high

480
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: Smith and Watt is your edges, you know. I mean

481
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Speaker 1: I think there's a few constants that I think of

482
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Speaker 1: those eleven, you know, like the eleven offensive, there's really

483
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Speaker 1: only five to talk about, and if Harris never leaves

484
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Speaker 1: the field, there's only four, and Jante never field is three.

485
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: You know, like pretty soon they can dry up. But

486
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Speaker 1: I think Whatton Smith they're always gonna be your edge players.

487
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a goal line package where Leale lines up

488
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Speaker 1: out there, you know, and I could see that if

489
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Speaker 1: you're really beefy um. I think Jack's always gonna be

490
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Speaker 1: pretty much on the second level. Minka is always going

491
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Speaker 1: to be on the field, a couple of d backs,

492
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Speaker 1: you can count on. Cam is gonna be factoring in

493
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Speaker 1: there somewhere. But there's a lot of other options on

494
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Speaker 1: this side of the ball. Yeah, and it depends, you know,

495
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Speaker 1: it can be very dependent upon who you're playing, Rate

496
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Speaker 1: or Ravens Verse Bengals is as strong example as anyone

497
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Speaker 1: could site in any divisions Brown Brown, right, especially for

498
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: sets in the game, you know, right, So I like

499
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Speaker 1: their versatility on that side of the ball in terms

500
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Speaker 1: of personnel packages, in terms of rotating I always said this,

501
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Speaker 1: you know, like when I was a pit acron, I

502
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Speaker 1: was always so jealous of the Bamas of the world

503
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Speaker 1: that had hockey lines on the d line, you know,

504
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Speaker 1: I like, that is the unbelievable to me that separates

505
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: the few elite college programs, and they're not much off,

506
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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, one's a year younger, but he

507
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Speaker 1: gave me a first round pick two. You know, he's

508
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Speaker 1: just learning, so he's the backup. He has to wait

509
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Speaker 1: for bar Moore to move on or whatever, or you know,

510
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Speaker 1: Quentin Williams to move on or will Anderson gets stuck

511
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Speaker 1: behind some stud and then he's the best player in

512
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Speaker 1: the country, you know. And that all comes on recruiting,

513
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: of course. But and I'm not saying the Steelers D

514
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Speaker 1: lines Bama's D line. But if you can keep Cam

515
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Speaker 1: fresh and play seventy five percent of snaps and a

516
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Speaker 1: Lulu plays thirty and Ogan Joebi plays seventy and Leal

517
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Speaker 1: plays fifteen and louder Milk plays twenty, and I'm not

518
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Speaker 1: sure if they all add up. You know, I'm just saying, like,

519
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Speaker 1: if I think freshness and bringing guys off the bench

520
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: in that defensive front is really enticing this year, let's

521
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Speaker 1: you know, much like everything Davis Brothers involved. Then you

522
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Speaker 1: just cut Chris warmly or treating like no, no, he

523
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Speaker 1: got seven sacks last year. There's value there. I mean,

524
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Speaker 1: I think he's probably the least flashy and least exciting

525
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Speaker 1: of that group because some of them are young and

526
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Speaker 1: you're you're excited. Yeah, I mean it's worst. I think

527
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Speaker 1: he's an inning eater. I mean, he's a He's that

528
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Speaker 1: veteran starting pitcher with a four and a half. The

529
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Speaker 1: r A they're gonna go out there and embarrass you. Right,

530
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Speaker 1: it gets a lot of millions every year, and right,

531
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Speaker 1: you know it's not your best starter. But he goes

532
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Speaker 1: out there and gives you a meaningful snaps. Doesn't happen,

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Speaker 1: you know? Is offensive lines don't that's they're on the

534
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Speaker 1: field sixties seventy snaps, right, Or if you're rolling constantly

535
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Speaker 1: rolling defensive lineman out there at them, this defensive lineman

536
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Speaker 1: are fresh. The offensive lineman you know in the fourth

537
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Speaker 1: quarter has already played fifty plus snaps. You know, if

538
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Speaker 1: Cam Heywards only played thirty, well that's a big deal,

539
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Speaker 1: you know exactly. I want Cam to play less because

540
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: he'll be even better, you know, and I think that

541
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Speaker 1: you won't have as big a drop off as he

542
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Speaker 1: used to. And even situationally, I mean, I think the

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Speaker 1: leal draft pick is extremely fascinating and he maybe there

544
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Speaker 1: might be games he doesn't play at all, but there

545
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Speaker 1: might be some he plays the snaps just because the

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Speaker 1: guy in front of him is a good matchup for him.

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Speaker 1: Or Joel Atonio is a great arc, okay, but if

548
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Speaker 1: he has to block over the course of a sixty

549
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: five snap game, he's got to block Lulu, Cam, Louder

550
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: Milk and Leo and warmly one of them is going

551
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: to have something he doesn't like, you know what I mean,

552
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: whatever it is, I mean need to be John Hannah,

553
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: I thot, I mean one of them is going to

554
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: be his least favorite matchup Cam of course, but the others,

555
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: maybe the others are the better example, those other four

556
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, Leo starting to beat him with

557
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: his swim move, is moved, whatever it is. We start

558
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: to get a little tired, and he gets a little tired,

559
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: and a little bit of you know something gets exposed,

560
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: and it's a heck of a lot, I mean, a

561
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: great picture. There's probably someone in the lineup he doesn't

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Speaker 1: like facing, you know what I mean, whether it's a

563
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: great pitter or not, there's somebody that gives him a

564
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: little more trouble than he should. I think with Minka

565
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: out right now dealing with that wrist injury, um, they

566
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Speaker 1: get a chance to take a good long look at

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Speaker 1: Kzy at free safety and he doesn't have to be Minca.

568
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: But if he can just be trustworthy so that I

569
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: can sneak make a down to guard, I can play

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00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: all three of those guys at the same time, and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, MinC is my slot corner. At times.

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Speaker 1: It's just like your conversation last segment about Yeah, it's

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00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: great that the you know that we you have good

574
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Speaker 1: offensive players. But if I know where they're gonna line

575
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: up every snap, it's a little easier to game plan

576
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: for them. And Minca is the best free safety in

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Speaker 1: the league. But if he if there's ten snaps a game,

578
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Speaker 1: or he doesn't line up in the deep middle, this

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Speaker 1: is one more wrinkles conversation. Yeah right right, where is

580
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: he going to be at on this play? Yeah? Right,

581
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: right right? And that was the great, That was the great.

582
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: They could line up with everybody else in the same

583
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: spots in those days. But forty three is we got

584
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Speaker 1: find when Carson Palmer walks up to the line of scrimmage,

585
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna find forty throw k he's over here. But

586
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: then when the ball snapped, he might be over there.

587
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,239
Speaker 1: And what's that mean for the the opposite weak side linebacker. Well,

588
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: he has a different responsibility of troys here, and you know,

589
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: on and on, I'm gonna wasting this, you know from

590
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: this guy. Okay, Well, the play was meant to go

591
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: in that direction. Now I gotta check out of that

592
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: play into something else. That play wasn't quite what we

593
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: wanted here. You know, there's there's all kinds of things

594
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: that you can do. They're just to cause a little

595
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: bit of havoc. It's just a hunch that I think

596
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: you'll see Minky near the line of scrimmage a little bit. Well,

597
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: they did that early last year and then they kind

598
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: of got away from it because well they were they

599
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: were struggling with some stuff and yeah, right right, And

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00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: he's a great eracer. I mean, he's a wonderful thing

601
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: on the back end to make sure guys got on

602
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: the ground and things of that nature and people, well,

603
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: Minker is not having us good a year. Well, they

604
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: were asking him to do some different things. And I'll

605
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: suggesting Casey's the next Paulamalu, but having that slot safety versatility.

606
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Speaker 1: He's been a long time starter and he makes plays

607
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna be reliable, you know, if

608
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: he can make some more plays than Edmonds does, which

609
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: I expect him to do on a person. Yeah, and

610
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: um has more third level potential than Edmonds. And and

611
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: Edmondson handled that too, But it just gives if he

612
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: could be a true free once in a while. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure whenever Joe Burrow sees that he's gonna throw

614
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 1: a slant to Jamaar Chase in that neighborhood where they

615
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't have when Minka is there, but my Manka might

616
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Speaker 1: be crashing off the edge and hit him in the

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00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: face first, you know, because you didn't see a comment

618
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Speaker 1: or you know, I'm just throwing up read it right

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Speaker 1: into that into that spot. I mean, I mean he's

620
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: or they bracket Chase because Minka is locking down Boyd

621
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Speaker 1: or you know whoever it is, you know what I mean.

622
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: You know, there's other ramifications and consequences after that. I

623
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Speaker 1: really think that Casey signing is kind of underrated, underrated,

624
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: and they slid slid that in right after the right

625
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: after the draft and oh hey, by the way, we

626
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Speaker 1: signed the monte CAZy is like, yeah, you knew. I

627
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: knew they had been talking to him earlier in the process.

628
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Speaker 1: And I think too, you know our point with Okay,

629
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Speaker 1: maybe they were looking at a Daxton Hill in the

630
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: first round or something like that as a fallback option. Well,

631
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Speaker 1: then they didn't get the absolutely. Okay, Well, we'll take

632
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Speaker 1: Casey and as he's talent his Dax Hill, as he's

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Speaker 1: tall as Daxel. Of course not, but I have NFL

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Speaker 1: tape of them too. We're adding a varsity player to

635
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Speaker 1: the roster on the cheap. There was a year he

636
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: was with Atlanta where half the year they asked him

637
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: to be a true slot almost play after play, and

638
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: then the other half of the year, and I forget

639
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: who got hurt, and I have to go back and

640
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: look at my notes. He played deep middle, you know,

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00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: I mean that year he played fifty percent of slot,

642
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: fifty percent of deep middle. There's just not a lot

643
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: of players in the league that can do both. The

644
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: best league either. No, but that's okay. What he's not

645
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: is a strong safety. He I don't see him as

646
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: competition from Darrell Edmonds. I don't either, but I'd be

647
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: shocked if Edmunds still plays of snaps like he did.

648
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: And that might go to there could be some situation

649
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,239
Speaker 1: that it's it's third and nineteen, let's get let's get

650
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: another cover guy. Maybe Norwood's out there or you know,

651
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: a fourth corner or whatever. But it's got options. I

652
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: mean Edmund snapcount has nowhere to go but down. So

653
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: this isn't a profound statement. And I don't think they're

654
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: down on him. I just don't know that he'll be

655
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Speaker 1: out there every snap still because there's more options. They're

656
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: just so many more, and I think the depth there

657
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: is is again, they lost one guy in the secondary,

658
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: but they added what three Wallace CAZy maybe two. Didn't

659
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: draft one right, they didn't draft one right, all right,

660
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: So you had it too, you lost one, You had

661
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: it too. And I still think Norwood's improving. Yeah, you know,

662
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: you lost one. You had it too. It's much like

663
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: the offensive line. You lost one, but you added you

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00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: added too, so you still didn't. There's any chance too

665
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: Hayden ends up on this team. I don't think that

666
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: happens at this point because I think you has to

667
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: take leave as ego to the door somebody. I think

668
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: if they they had an injury, I think that would

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Speaker 1: be something we call him tomorrow. Yeah, I mean, if

670
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: heaven forbid, weather Spoon or Wallace good Sutton get hurt,

671
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: I think you call him tomorrow. But it gets a

672
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: little crowded, and I don't he was not going to

673
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: play just to play even though he's and you can't

674
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: guarantee him a starting job. I mean, you'd love to

675
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: have him in the building, But is it an Ingram situation.

676
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: That's a bad example because one was a great stealer

677
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: and one was a bad seal. Attitude wise, where I

678
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: want to play, you know, and I've deserved that. I've

679
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: had a great I know, I know the system, I

680
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: know that that's the coaching staff, I know the guys

681
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: around me. There is value to getting even they can

682
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: sign him three days before the season starts, right, and

683
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: he could line up at left corner all day long

684
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: and be fine, assuming he's in shape, with which Taylor

685
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: did so like Taylor, then Taylor looks like he did

686
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: when he was a rookie, which is an impressive looking corner,

687
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: by the way, And he still looks like he's four

688
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: years old. It's amazing and shape and right right right.

689
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: Some some guys just have good genes, and I are

690
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: not among them. They sure aren't. I mean, I can't

691
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 1: say cite this example enough. That year of the Browns,

692
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: always talking about the Browns getting on the treadmill, and

693
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm struggling along and walking and maybe jogging, and Paul Warfield,

694
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: who's thirty years older than me. He gets on and

695
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: full sprint as he's chatting to somebody next to him.

696
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy cow. Yeah, it's a different, different animal

697
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Speaker 1: than you. Yes, we should not be in the same

698
00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: building and people should never forget that. Yeah, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: take another break. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

701
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: Steelers finishing up their their afternoon session. The sun is

702
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: out there, getting a little bit of heat, it's little toasty,

703
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, starting to clear the field here

704
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: of the fans of the v I P fans. That

705
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: means they've probably got about maybe one and a half

706
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: sessions left here in practice. So we'll come back to

707
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Speaker 1: finish that off when we return here on the Drive

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Speaker 1: live from Chuck Doldfield at St. Vincent College on Steelers

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Speaker 1: Nation Radio, Black and Gold Footballs. Here, you're listening to

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Speaker 1: s n R. He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson on your home of the Black and Gold,

712
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. Just watching Calvin Austin the third take

713
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: a little uh jet sweep action there and he can

714
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: scoop man Jag is way down the sideline there now

715
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: again advantageous. I don't know that the defense is, uh,

716
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: they're not going to knock him into next week even

717
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: if they have that shot. And it's not what's gonna

718
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: happen here, but uh, and he just blows smoke up,

719
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, be all positive here. The first time I

720
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: saw him in person, I went, he's even smaller, and

721
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: I thought, I mean I knew he was little. I

722
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: saw his combine numbers and they don't lie. He's a

723
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: very little NFL player. Yes, boy, is he explosive though,

724
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: I mean he's and he's not just straight line explosive.

725
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: He is loose hipped and change of direction and vision

726
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: and when he opens it up, he goes man. I mean,

727
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: so he's listed at five nine and a hundred sixty

728
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Speaker 1: two pounds. Now, he said, that's a lie, he said

729
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: at he said at mini camp, he's he's closer to

730
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: a hundred seventy. He typically plays a hundred seventy. I

731
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: think he was a hundred sixty two for the combines.

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00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: Who could run faster? Well, I think the five nines

733
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Speaker 1: the thing I was questioning, we might be five eight

734
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: I think he was five oh eight oh at at

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00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: the combine. I think he just made five eight. That's fine.

736
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Speaker 1: Oh no, right right, Tyreek Hill isn't the biggest guy

737
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: in the world. No, but Tyreek is bigger than him.

738
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Speaker 1: And yeah, he probably twenty pounds eager than him. Is

739
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: he faster than him? Yeah, I don't think I've ever

740
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: seen I'm talking about impads on game day that I

741
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: would never pick anyone over Tyreek, anyone, anyone, but I

742
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: bet Dion Sanders was faster. He's a name I was

743
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: thinking of. Moss was a name I was thinking of

744
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: because those longest riders don't look the same Tyreek scary

745
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: though what it can run. You know, he was a

746
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: four two guy when he when he came out, which

747
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: is legit. Yeah, yeah, and played that way. And he

748
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: was also big. I mean he's a lot bigger than Yeah. Yeah,

749
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: he was a safety. I mean Austin has you know,

750
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: rare speed though in rare acceleration, and uh, I wouldn't

751
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: have said this is the fastest offense the last couple

752
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: of years. It has not been. No, you know, I

753
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: mean ju Ju's out there, he's James Washing. They were

754
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: all four or five guys, and it's not slow, but

755
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: it was. Deonte is a four five ish guy, including nausea,

756
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: I mean, including Ben, including juju. I mean like they

757
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: weren't the fastest skill group out there, they got some speed. Yeah.

758
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: I think Pickens runs really well too, especially on the

759
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: field ball. I think he was like four or four

760
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: seven coming off the knee injury. That's the thing about

761
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: him now. Right now, he's a year removed from a

762
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: knee injury, and he zigzaggered his way through defenses and

763
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: stuff like you wouldn't know. You wouldn't know. I wonder

764
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: what his forty was as a true freshman and all

765
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: that stuff too. And you know that's why he plays now.

766
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: And that's that's to me, that that's what you're really getting.

767
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: You know, you're getting a first round player. Yeah, I

768
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: think you are. It's it's kind of the Steff onto

769
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: It situation right right right. You bought the discount because

770
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: everyone wasn't quite sure at a really deep position, so

771
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: a lot of ties were probably broken. And the other guys,

772
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: the guy we'll take, the healthy guys know more about him,

773
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: and I don't want to get fired because this guy

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00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: is nothealthy, you know, right, maybe a little more job

775
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: security falls you you take them. Boy, if he actually

776
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: does work out like a first round draft pick, I

777
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: think he is. I think that's the way I view him. Yeah.

778
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: Um that that's a game change, because that's what the

779
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: Steelers got in that two thousand and fourteen draft. They

780
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: took SHA's ear and then they took two it in

781
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: the second round. It's like almost like having right right right,

782
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: And this year they might not get a thing out

783
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: of their first round pick. That's very possible, and in

784
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: a way, that's what you want. So if you get

785
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: a first rounder first round talent in the second round,

786
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: that helps you know your your other first down the

787
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: line or Trabinsky, I don't. The Pickens pick is real

788
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: high on my list. Those the two receivers are my

789
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: favorite picks they made. And there were some buzz on Leal,

790
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: especially early in the process, that he was a potential

791
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: first yeah all the way too early mock draft. He

792
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: was like a top ten pick. Yeah, A stuff from

793
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: from two years ago when they were coming we're coming

794
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: out of the draft. Pickens in the hour, we're both

795
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: first round guys. Yeah, And in every draft and even

796
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: when the draft, the draft process start, did Leo was

797
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: still considered a potential first round pick. Yeah, there was

798
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: some stuff that had him as the number one defensive

799
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: tackle and then things kind of change. He didn't run

800
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: as well as the other guys, and bad year. I mean,

801
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: I've even made it sound like, wow, he really fell off.

802
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: I think he's a true tweener, And tweener used to

803
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: be a terrible word. Now it's a yeah position with football,

804
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: it's a good word. But in his case, where does

805
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: he line up? I mean, you have to have a

806
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: home first, and I don't know where his home is

807
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: exactly for most teams. No, I don't know either, but

808
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: I think you figure that out. And again, it's much

809
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: when you're taking him in the third round, that's a

810
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 1: much different conversation, much different conversation if he's a sub

811
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Speaker 1: package only guy, or we'll figure it out once he

812
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: gets here type of situation. Right, they had room for

813
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: another defense, the defensive lineman, and we'll take a talent.

814
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: He becomes a four or five snap a game guy.

815
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: It's a third round guy. That's fine. He's a first

816
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: round guy. Probably not so much. But his coach says,

817
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: I mean, when in doubt I'll take a pedigree guy.

818
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 1: It seems to be what they what they've been living

819
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: on here their second and third round pick and more

820
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: Pettitte in the first round pick in a way I

821
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: mean the college career wise. I mean talking about the

822
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: guy who's the third third, like right, yeah, I mean

823
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: he's a one year I mean people didn't know pick.

824
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: It was three years ago. They knew these guys, I

825
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: mean people in Pittsburgh did, but necessarily the list wasn't

826
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: on the the NFL radar like he was after last year.

827
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: And there was Joe Burrow, right, neither was Kyler Murray

828
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: for that man Baker. A lot of these first overall

829
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: picks lately have not been Whens go off, you know. Yeah,

830
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: so it's it does change. That's why you know when

831
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: you look at those uh you know, the early drafts

832
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Yeah, that's that's a good place

833
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: to start. But don't stop there, No, right, and everyone

834
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Speaker 1: talking about, well, next year's quarterback draft much better. It's

835
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: sure looks that way. I mean I've bet a quarters

836
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Speaker 1: here in July. I mean I'll bet my bottom dollar

837
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: a quarterback has picked before twenty next year. But you

838
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: probably multi Yeah, probably yeah, but you can't count on that.

839
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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at I'm sure Kevin and those

840
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: guys have paid attention to future drafts at that position,

841
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: but you can't put this bank on it, like, well,

842
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: next year is better, We'll get our guy then Spencer Rattler. Yeah,

843
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean there's thirty two of them and you're

844
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: still gonna get one. The kid that the kids is

845
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: a pit this year the transfers, yeah, he was guy,

846
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler and Slovis and two years ago we're like,

847
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: these are these guys will be the top two draft

848
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: picks when they come out. Nope, neither one of them

849
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: even at the same college. And maybe they redeem their

850
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: careers and they get back into it. Who knows. Well,

851
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: that's the other thing about this. And you worked in

852
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: the college game. I wanted to ask you this, like

853
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: this transfer portal stuff, I don't understand it very well

854
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: and it makes me feel old, and I frankly just

855
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: hate it because I mean, because I looked at it

856
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: through I recruited his kid. He read shirts. You know,

857
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: you have this big long term five year plan for

858
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: him or even a four year plan. You invested so

859
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 1: much and then he gets a little glory after finally

860
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: seeing the field and he says, I'm out of here.

861
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: Especially for me, it's the quarterback position. Like the guys

862
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: if they're not starting within two years, they're transferring somewhere else.

863
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: And I went through that Flacco situation, and I get

864
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: that to go down the level, But do I want

865
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: a guy who doesn't want to fight right right right?

866
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: Like you just give up after you like they've they've

867
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: decided they're gonna go with this guy. I'm gonna transfer that.

868
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: That's just that's just you don't want to you don't

869
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: want to come back, you know something happy he struggles

870
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: a couple of games and all of a sudden, they

871
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: go to you. And because we've seen that happen, so

872
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: I think that's how Mason Rudolph broke into the lineup

873
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: or you know, I mean, I mean was kind of

874
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: a star at that point in the National Championship game.

875
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it does happen. Yeah, t I would

876
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: have went to Middle Tennessee State. He would have been

877
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: the fifth pick in the draft or third pick in

878
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: the draft or whatever he was, you know, Yeah, And

879
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: I get it. There's there's against some athletic arrogance. There.

880
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: I I've been using that word a lot this week,

881
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: athletic arrogance. But it always comes into play that these

882
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: guys think they're the best, and okay, they's not gonna

883
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: work out from me here. I go somewhere else, somebody else,

884
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: somebody else will let me. And I do have a

885
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: little I do understand their side of things too, is

886
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be locked in here and have no freedom whatsoever.

887
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: This is a free country. I should be a little

888
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: tussle here. First one of the year, I think, right,

889
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: Mason Cole got into something yesterday. This is this is

890
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: stretching out at somebody's jumping over the pile to trying

891
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: to clock someone in the head. What we got going here?

892
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: And a whole bunch offensive lineman. I think one of

893
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: the defensive lineman got knocked down or one of the

894
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: linebackers got knocked down, and somebody did not appreciate that.

895
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't thrilled with that situation. But if you're the

896
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, you're trying to establish something here. I was.

897
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: I thought this was the first, you know, scuffle of

898
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: the year. And then and then you said, Mason Cole

899
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: got into it, I thought, and back of my head

900
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: and good, well that's what yeah, right. I know Chris Halicki,

901
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: who works with us A d K. Pittmon went over

902
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: and talk to Cole about that yesterday after the after

903
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: the practice because I guess there was there was an

904
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: interception and he thought the defense was celebrating it just

905
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: a little bit too much. Good, So he over and

906
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: kind of him a little let him know about. Yeah,

907
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: he's kind of pushing and shoving about it, and he said, Hey,

908
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: stuff's gonna happen out here. Temper is gonna flare out.

909
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: It's just not a big deal. But you know were

910
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: we got some pride here too. We're trying to We're

911
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: standing up from my guys. I mean, I'm not saying

912
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: it's a prison situation where you should go find the

913
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: toughest guy and try to beat up Cam Heyward and

914
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: get in week one. That brings me who essentially, yeah,

915
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: fought every offensive alignment on this team as a rookie.

916
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: Cam's now the elder statesman on this team. He's do

917
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: you forget that version of Cam, right, that young puppy

918
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: version of Cam running around out here fighting everybody in

919
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: sight and that was a pretty good line in front

920
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: of him at that point too, you know, I mean

921
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: he wasn't. He wasn't the first pick in the draft,

922
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: counted on the coming and light the world on fire.

923
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: He wasn't Joe Green, you know, I mean he was

924
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: a late first. And yeah, I'd loved hearing that about Cole.

925
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: He's new. I'm not just gonna be passive and this

926
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: is a stealer way. I'll be quiet and I'll go

927
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: over and desert yourself. Yeah, I'm a I'm a tough

928
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: guy too, right, don't yeah, don't be celebrating in front

929
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: of us. So, yeah, we'll see. I don't. I don't

930
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: quite see who was in that. It was just turned

931
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: into a big scrum. I did see them picking one

932
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: of the looked like an outside linebacker up off the ground.

933
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: Somebody was helping him up off the ground. And then

934
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: things got a little Yeah, let's find there real quick.

935
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, so we'll see what. We'll get the

936
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: details on that one for you. We will as things

937
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: come out here. But we're gonna take another break. He

938
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lala. You're listening to

939
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. The Steelers just

940
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: wrapping up practice. That was the final player practice. From

941
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: the looks of it, um as a finish up day

942
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: three here. The sun is now shining at Saint Vincent College.

943
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: The fans are all lining along the pathway up to

944
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: the dorms, are up to the locker room over there. So, uh,

945
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: I wrapped it up. That's gonna wrap up our two.

946
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: We'll be back with our three right after this Black

947
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: and Gold football keeps here. You were listening to s

948
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: n R Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome to our final hour

949
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: of coverage here live from Steelers training camp here at St.

950
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: Vincent College. And uh, as we've typically done here over

951
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: the first few shows, let's let's take a look around

952
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: the league and see what's happening today. But I get

953
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: curious about this myself because we're kind of, yeah, you know,

954
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: and stealers. So Sam Donald and Baker Mayfield shared first

955
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: team reps at practice on Friday. Okay, first I heard that,

956
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: but I guess I'm not surprised we bashed Arnald. He's

957
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: been a really bad player, but I have heard that

958
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: he is a great teammate and is respected, and I

959
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: don't think they want to embarrass him, and they're not

960
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: going to trade him. He's gonna be a panther. So

961
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: I guess he's kind of earned that. I bet the

962
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: doesn't hold up for much longer. Probably not. But they,

963
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: I mean, their GM said the same thing that that

964
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 1: was gonna be the stas kind of sticking by your word.

965
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: Sticking by your word, and that's what you're gonna do.

966
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: But as we get closer, I think you're gonna look

967
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: at it and say, or they're gonna look at it

968
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: and say, Baker's are week one starter. We gotta treat

969
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 1: him that way. We win games here, you know. Yeah,

970
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: the the Kyler Murray homework clause just got the Cardinals

971
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: pulled it out of the contract. Why. I think their

972
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: statement with something along the lines of, with all the

973
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: stir this has made, we decided to pull it out. Well,

974
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: it's already been out there, Jane, he's already out of

975
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: the bottle. You've already exposed him for not being a

976
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: good studier. Yeah, and I hadn't changed. It hasn't changed,

977
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: right right right? Uh? It seems like they just bend

978
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: over backwards for this guy. I get that he's their

979
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: best player, most important player all that. I mean, it

980
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: sounds like the GM and coach side note the coach

981
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: and quarterback have the same agent. Just run that out there.

982
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 1: But that is a fact um the the trio there

983
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: is going to have each other's back no matter what

984
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: and make each other's lives as easy as possible. I

985
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: just don't know that that's the trio. I want that

986
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: to happen to. I mean, if it was you know

987
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: Walsh Montana and the GM at the time, okay, but

988
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the skins pelts on the wall,

989
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: and you know you gotta put some pelts on the

990
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: wall right to get to that. Ron Rivera said he

991
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 1: expects that Chase Young to miss some regular season time

992
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: as he comes back. I figured that one. I mean

993
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: a c L's that was pretty early in the season.

994
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: I thought it was like midway through the year. It's

995
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: just that with George Pickett, I mean, everybody recovers from

996
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: that injury differently, and I wonder we all just assume

997
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: that it's so will be back picture. You know, I

998
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: wonder if if some of these defensive players it's not

999
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: a bigger deal because it's more of a reactionary position

1000
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: as opposed to an offensive guy who knows where he's

1001
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: on to go. I'm just thinking you when you said that,

1002
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: I was thinking about his get off. You know that

1003
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: that explosive first step, And I don't know what you

1004
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 1: need it is. Is it his inside one is outside

1005
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: on his first steps his plant leg or his first one,

1006
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: but either one, that first step you have to be

1007
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: able to do as an edge rushers bend his bend's

1008
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: coming around that corner. Can you need to trust that

1009
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: need to hold up when you're when you're got a

1010
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: three pound or leaning on you as you come around

1011
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: turn If if the injury is gonna make you play high,

1012
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: that's not gonna be You're not you can't be out

1013
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: there doing it. Yeah, that's a good point. And I

1014
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: do think it was more like week ten when he

1015
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: got hurt. Yeah, Yeah, I initially thought it was earlier

1016
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: because his production was so bad before it. It wasn't

1017
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: like he was a ten sack guy when he got hurt.

1018
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: He still had like one or two. But you want

1019
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: if you're there, if you're Washington, with what you have

1020
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: invested in him, you want him to be a percent. Yeah,

1021
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: because you've got to make a decision on him after

1022
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: this year too, Is it that point already? This would

1023
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: be this is your three I guess you're right. So

1024
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, if he gets if he plays, let's say,

1025
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: placed twelve games this year and looks like the Chase

1026
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: young of as of his rookie year, then okay, you're

1027
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: probably picking up the fifth year option. If he looks

1028
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: like Chase young of last year and has two sacks,

1029
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: now you got a big question. You know, it's better

1030
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: than I do. But first overall picks, I think he's

1031
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: been to a Pro Bowl. He's gonna be the expensive

1032
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: fifth year expensive, right, He's not a cheap fifth year office.

1033
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a big number. Wow, that's not great news.

1034
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: We got a lot of time and I'm sure they're

1035
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: being extra precautionary with him. He's super important to him,

1036
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: but he's a potential superstar. Yeah. Um, Ryan Carrogan's retired.

1037
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: He retired from football. I mean he was a marginal

1038
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: player last year and he was out there for a while,

1039
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: but it was a good player for a long time.

1040
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: He played thirteen years. He's like a Hall of Honor

1041
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: type guy. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, they had

1042
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: a really good career. Yeah, solid, solid player. Um Rodney

1043
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: Hudson said he contemplated retirement, but is now all in.

1044
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: You a believer that if you think about retirement, you

1045
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: already are to a certain degree. That seems more of

1046
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: a nineteen eighties way of looking at things. I mean,

1047
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: the guys a lot of times are now a year

1048
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: to year anyways because of you know, you had COVID

1049
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: and then you have you know, injury issues and things

1050
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: of that nature. I don't know that this because here's

1051
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: what happened in nineteen eighty when it got contemplated retirement.

1052
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: Probably didn't do a whole lot of offseason training, That's

1053
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I doubt he's sitting around eating cheeseburgers

1054
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: and doing nothing all day. You know. Now, these guys, Okay,

1055
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna keep training here because that's what

1056
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: I do. That's what I do. Yeah, and I'll figure

1057
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: it out, you know, maybe Yeah, I am I all

1058
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: winn or not? Yeah. I mean Brady went through that

1059
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: grops going through it. Yeah right, you know, I don't

1060
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: know if that's big news. Yeah, I don't. I don't

1061
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: know that it is either, um not seeing any real

1062
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 1: I heard the Ryan Chet speaking of centers, though Jensen's

1063
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: expected to be several months, which really sounds like the

1064
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: whole year. It sounds like the season. Yeah, I would be.

1065
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if they don't go sign j C. Treader.

1066
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: I mean, they're lucky that that's even an option. I

1067
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: don't know their cap well enough. But you brought this

1068
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: up yesterday. That would you assigned Julio if you knew

1069
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: this injury was happening the next especially for the money

1070
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: that they gave. They gave him real money. Yeah, I

1071
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: think they're negret that Julio move. Probably will I would

1072
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: rather rule with the Anthony Miller's of the world than

1073
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: than keep the eight million you know they could I

1074
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: mean six million dollars that they signed him for. That

1075
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: could have been Trader, that could have been Tredder. It's

1076
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: a day later. It's a day later, right. It's kind

1077
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 1: of like the Ronnie Stanley injuries slash contract. It's bad timing,

1078
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: bad timing coming. Yeah, Steelers finishing up practice over there

1079
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: on the field today, not far from us here at

1080
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: the St. Fencent College. As we look over there. Um,

1081
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: I was saying, there's more news around the league. Did

1082
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: we talk about Michael Thomas yesterday, we did not know.

1083
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: I mean that guy vanished from the planet for almost

1084
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: two years being the best receiver in football, right, I

1085
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: mean he was a catch type of guy, first round

1086
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: fantasy pick type of dude. I mean I never thought

1087
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: he was quite Randy Moss, you know, but I mean

1088
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: he is a Davante Adams like producer. And he was

1089
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: back at practice yesterday and running routes and looking good

1090
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: according to you know the clips we've seen. So if

1091
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: they get a love and him and Landry and now

1092
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: they get a receiver. Yeah, they didn't have that last year. No.

1093
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, boy, their receivers were working. The Ravens, I

1094
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: mean they were the bad They were the worsenal league

1095
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: and what they actually played with um and if Kamara

1096
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: doesn't get suspended, and I mean that's that's not a

1097
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: bad group. Speaking of that Smith, the Smith doubt there's

1098
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: a track kwe oh the receiver. Yeah, Yeah, he's making

1099
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: more than Deonte Johnson this year. He's one of the

1100
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: guys that I looked at that list and like he's

1101
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: making more than Deonte Johnson. He's had like two good games. Yeah,

1102
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: and he was kind of a hot name as a

1103
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: rookie and now then he struggles through the field when

1104
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: they were bad. Yeah, they're saying that Jensen is going

1105
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: to miss significant time so they get that sounds like

1106
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: a year. Yeah, um, yeah, that's not good. He's not

1107
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: young either, No, yeah, I mean that could be career altering. Yeah.

1108
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean, especially the way the Bucks are they're set

1109
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: up is let's say, I mean hypothetically they have a

1110
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: good year, Brady retires and a lot of their old

1111
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: dudes are I mean, they're gonna be in cap hell

1112
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: going forward. They've mortgaged all their books. I mean, it's

1113
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: someone like Jensen available all of a sudden or you know,

1114
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: or not back. I thought we might be in a

1115
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: different era past this. But Patrick Mahomes bringing it up today,

1116
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: uh or yesterday one of the two days it's it's

1117
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: on ESPN now. He said black quarterbacks are subject to

1118
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: a specific type of criticism. I do think there's some

1119
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: of that. There's some of that, yeah, but I don't

1120
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: know that it's it's what like it once was, where

1121
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: all they just don't process well or they're just not

1122
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: there's so many different styles of quarterback out there, black, white,

1123
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. And I've never looked at color one

1124
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: where or the other. Anyways, I don't know how to

1125
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: react to because I'd like to have heard the quote

1126
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: out of his mouth in contract, he says, obviously the

1127
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: black quarterback has had the battle to be in this position. Uh,

1128
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: that we are to have this many guys in the

1129
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: league playing a completely We agree with the question about it. Yeah,

1130
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: every day we're proving that we should should have been

1131
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: playing the whole time. We've got guys that can think

1132
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: just as well as they can use their athleticism. It's

1133
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: always weird when you see guys like me Lamar Kyler

1134
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: kind of get that on them when other guys don't. Well,

1135
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: he might want to ask Josh Rosen about like there

1136
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: are guys that get you know, even white quarterbacks get questionable.

1137
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: He's not this or he's not that. Um, it's funny

1138
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: because I don't want to go too far down this

1139
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: road because because I mean, it's it's not what we're

1140
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: here to do. But I I thought Josh Allen, if

1141
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: he would have been an African American, would have been

1142
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: criticized much much more in a Lamar like fashion. His

1143
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: first two years in the league just doesn't see it

1144
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: always has accuracy problems, you know, Like I thought he

1145
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: got off the off the griddle a little more than

1146
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: he should have because he's a big, strong white dude,

1147
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, because he was the least accurate quarterbacks in

1148
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: the league. I mean that's always the criticism, which is

1149
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: a shortcut to thinking and analysis, you know then and

1150
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: really doing analysis. And I think Lamar gets the opposite

1151
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: of that, you know that Wow, he's never gonna be

1152
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: accurate enough, you know. I think some of that's just

1153
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 1: a shortcut, you know, because Allen was a worse thrower

1154
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: than Lamar when they that was the knock on Trabiski, Yeah, Chicago.

1155
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: Well he just doesn't process fast enough or he's not

1156
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: accurate enough. Um, they win games, the only games, right,

1157
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: right right, you know that's the bottom line. That's right

1158
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: way I look at it with Lamar, where they win games.

1159
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: I think all these things are a youth thing, not

1160
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: a color skin thing. Yeah, I mean that's the way

1161
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: I look at it. If other people want, you know,

1162
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm not in his shoes, I don't. I've never you know,

1163
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: walked in his shoes. Um, but I like that my

1164
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: homes is speaking up because he is. He has the platform.

1165
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: He has that platform, no doubt about it, and he should.

1166
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: It's good that he's an advocate for it. Yeah, he said,

1167
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: you always feel like you have more to prove. I promised.

1168
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is feeling like he has more to prove.

1169
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: That comes with any sport, any competitor. If you're not

1170
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: getting better or you're getting worse, they build you up

1171
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: to tear you down, and you've got that kind of

1172
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: you've got to kind of know that. For me, it's

1173
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: all about how I can make myself better, not what

1174
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: other people say. How can I make myself better? So

1175
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: we go out there and play football games. At the

1176
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: end of the day, nothing matters until you're on that

1177
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: football field playing, and that's where you prove who you

1178
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: are every single day. I mean, if I could end yeah, right,

1179
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: I just think that's a microscope position to no end,

1180
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: as it should be touchable every time, the most more

1181
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: position on the field. But I think the days are

1182
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: gone where uh and an African American doesn't make the

1183
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: team and a white guy does. Yeah, I mean I

1184
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: think that the coaches in the league are too smart

1185
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: for that at this point. Yeah, that hasn't been. We're right,

1186
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: we're here to win. We went the best guys, the

1187
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: best players will play and it doesn't matter in what year.

1188
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: Or the corporate world Williams is being asked, how long

1189
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: have you been a black quarter right? Stupid things like that, right,

1190
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: or the corporate world where getting paid last sir? You know,

1191
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean in this walk of life, that's not true.

1192
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: It really isn't. But I am happy that my homes

1193
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: talks about it. Yeah. I think that the stereotypes at

1194
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: that position, and um, you know us, there still is

1195
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: some of that. Like if somebody sees a black quarterback,

1196
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: they automatically think they're a runner. You know, people thought

1197
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: that about what dayne hask is. It's funny right when

1198
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: they added him. I was asked on the radio, so,

1199
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: is see a lot like Lar No, not even right,

1200
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: he's more like left Witch. Yeah, uh yeah, the same,

1201
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, but you see some of the similar things

1202
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: with like a white receiver. Oh yeah, yeah. You know,

1203
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: that's just the reality of the situation because people like

1204
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,919
Speaker 1: when they're when they when people look at a white receiver,

1205
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: a lot of times you'll see, well he looks you know,

1206
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: he plays like Wes Welker, or who's Ed mccaffreys, Like

1207
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: Ed McCaffrey. What, Yeah, they're they're both white. But we've

1208
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: all done it. But player comparisons aren't my strength to

1209
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: begin with. Jordie Nelson was nothing like you know, like Welker,

1210
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: right or Yeah. I try to go out of my

1211
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: way when doing a player in comparison to not have

1212
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: them be the same color, because I think it's too

1213
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: everyone always does. Yeah you know, yeah, I see this

1214
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: one makes me crazy too. The Boss and the Watts.

1215
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: First thing you say, hustle guys. Yeah, those guys are

1216
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: unbelievably athletic. Go look at T J. Watt or even

1217
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: his combine numbers or j. J. Watt. I mean, they're

1218
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: the elite athletic numbers. But the first thing out of

1219
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: that people's minds, oh, it must be a hustle guy,

1220
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: and he certainly hustles. Let's talk about that real hustle.

1221
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: Joe Green, James Harright, go on, just changing gears. I had.

1222
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: I had a conversation today with Derek Tuska. Yeah, yeah,

1223
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: and you know obviously he's he's like I watched t. J.

1224
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: Watt a lot, and you know, we'll talk on the

1225
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: sidelines after each you know, after each series about what

1226
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: I saw, what he saw? You know, like, does he

1227
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: see the game differently than a lot of other people

1228
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: like Larry Bird and Ted Williams see the game differ

1229
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: and they try to coach and that nobody understand what

1230
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: to think about, right, So he says, yeah, he says,

1231
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: his eyes are kind of one of the things that

1232
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: helps separate him because he sees he sees things a

1233
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: little bit differently sees things, uh the way you know,

1234
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: he sees to play differently than other people do, and

1235
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: he just sees it and goes and that works for

1236
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: him because he just reads it at a different level

1237
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: than everybody else. And someday again I'm way talking out

1238
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: of my comfort zone, they'll be biochemists or whatever that

1239
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: will tell you coming out of the combine he has

1240
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: better vision or wider scope of vision, or you know

1241
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: what I mean, he has better peripheral vision, or he

1242
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: processes it quicker and they'll be able to analyze that

1243
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: and give you a number ranking or whatever. Or he

1244
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: has slow eyes, or he has great zone eyes but

1245
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: bad man eyes, or you know whatever. It is. The

1246
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks all see the game differently and everybody else,

1247
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: they know what's going to happen before it happens. So

1248
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: that's what separates great point guards. Yeah, everyone. I was

1249
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: always considered a pretty good passer in basketball because I

1250
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: just saw I don't know why, why or how, I

1251
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: just saw the angles on you know. I mean Gretzky's

1252
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: like the best example ever. I mean, you're not a

1253
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: huge hockey guy, but I mean anticipating where they're gonna

1254
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: be and just playing the game differently than everyone else

1255
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: on the ice or everyone ever has, you know. I

1256
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Speaker 1: mean there's definitely those type of dudes. Yeah, and I

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01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: think in every position. I think that's one of the

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Speaker 1: things that that separates TJ from some of the other guys.

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Speaker 1: Because even when you're talking about you know, the Madden

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01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: rankings come out or the the know the the Edge

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01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: Rusher rankings, and Garrett's rank dead, well, Garrett's a better

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Speaker 1: is more athletic than him, and it's stronger, He's bigger,

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Speaker 1: maybe faster, I don't know. Yeah, TJ wasn't the fastest

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Speaker 1: guy at the combine. I mean Garrett was built in

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Speaker 1: a lab. Yeah, I mean he's Yeah, but I think

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Speaker 1: Watt's eyes separate him. Makes a lot of sense the

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Speaker 1: way he sees things. Yeah, it's interesting that Tusco would

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Speaker 1: say that, though, because I'm sure they're sitting in meetings

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Speaker 1: and he's seen all these outside linebackers in his life.

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Speaker 1: He says, but this guy is a step ahead of them,

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Speaker 1: I mean literally like his step and for a guy

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Speaker 1: like that to be able to have that sounding board too, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh man, TJ, what did you see in that play? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I saw this, but I now that I look at it,

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01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: I see what because you got to you got the

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Speaker 1: pad there on the sideline. You're always right, Yeah, you're

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01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: looking at it and you're like, okay, and that you

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01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: know again, it's that one false step that you take

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01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: because you didn't see it quickly. And it's probably more

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01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: scientists or probably more laid out than how we're talking

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01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: about it. Like Tuska is looking at the quarterback or

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01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: the tight end, where TJ is looking at the tackle

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01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: or some other his eyes never leave the quarterback or

1284
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: whatever it is, whatever it is, because he senses where

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Speaker 1: the you know, where the tackle and the and the

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Speaker 1: you know, the three guys that are are in front

1287
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Speaker 1: of him, the gauntlet that he has to run. He

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01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: knows where they're at and he just kind of middle

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01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: linebackers are actually the best example. The Ray Lewis is

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01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: the key lands that are like, well, that guard's leaning

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01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: a little heavy on his hands, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a run play, and this tackles leaning this way. He's

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01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: gonna cut down and the guard's gonna pull around him.

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01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: And I've seen him do that on third and eight

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01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: hundred times, you know, Like, I mean, there there's an

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Speaker 1: art to reading what those eleven guys are doing. And

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Speaker 1: somebody has a tell, there's always as tell. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it's why you know the poker players or poker players

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01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: because yeah, right right, even if you don't think you

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01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: have a tell, you know Teddy KGB sitting over there

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01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: with his oreos, yeah right right. If you think you're

1302
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: the one without the tell, check un check. And NFL

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01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: is great like that. I mean, experience is a real

1304
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: general term, but a lot of it's learning what to learn,

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01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, or Catler Murray is an example. We're

1306
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: gonna pick on him for not you know, watching tape.

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01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: He's never had to, so he's the best guy on

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01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: the field. I mean, even when he played baseball, right,

1309
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, you know who else didn't from what I

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01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: was told, didn't watch a lot of tape early in

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Speaker 1: his career. Seven, you know, he didn't have to, and

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01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: he's beating up everybody in the MAC comes the league.

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01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: He's fifteen and one, Like, why would I change what

1314
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm doing? Like everyone looks to Kyler in a negative fashion.

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01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: This way, he's been immensely successful. Why would he change

1316
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: his It doesn't mean he's lazy, It just means he

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01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: does it differently. Maybe he's lazy. I don't know, you know,

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01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: but he hasn't had to. And if I was on

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01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: Cardinals Nation Radio, I would throw out, well, he's been

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Speaker 1: the twelfth best quarterback in the league without watching tape.

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01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: How could do you think he'll be once he learns

1322
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: how to watch tape? Probably gonna get bad, probably with

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01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are saying that, which is a study four

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01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: more hours? Like if you never lifted weights, Like, well,

1325
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: maybe he'll be better if he lifts weight. That was

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01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: That was Carlton Hasselereagan College exactly never lifted a weight,

1327
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: and he was six time n C double A heavyweight champion. Yeah,

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01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean he was one of the best guards in

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01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,919
Speaker 1: the league the second he walked on the field. Here,

1330
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: we'll imagine if you coach him. Yeah, rights, just exactly right.

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01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: And Kyler's like that. I mean, he was a baseball player,

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01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: and a good one. He was gonna be the first

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Speaker 1: first overall pick. He was like six or seven first pick,

1334
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: an elite baseball player. Absolutely. Um, but yeah, I think,

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01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, the watch stuff to me is fascinating because

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01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: you know what makes a great pass rushing is it

1337
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: the bend? And Alex Heismith talked about you know this

1338
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: that he says, Look, I need to get better with

1339
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: my finishing. Um. You know, I there were so many

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01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: times last year where where I would uh, you know,

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01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: I turned the corner and the quarterback would just step

1342
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: up in the pocket, or you know, the tackle would

1343
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: push me past the quarterback. I need to improve my

1344
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: bend and those kind of things, just to finish best,

1345
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: just to flatten out a little bit better. Yeah, don't

1346
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: get too far a field, he said. I think if

1347
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: I do that, I can get twelve sacks, twelve plus sacks.

1348
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: And Bud the pre always comes to mind, and I'm

1349
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: not picking on Bud, but the most useless position you

1350
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: could be on the football field exactly. That's no matter what.

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01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: Don't be there, can't affect the play from there. Takes

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01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: the quarterback doing a lot of dumb stuff and going

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01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: backwards for you to have any value whatsoever. Every tackle

1354
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: will gladly push. That might be if yeah, if he's

1355
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: in a Superiro Wetton spin around and eight seconds into

1356
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: the play he runs into you. Great, But in general

1357
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: that's where they want defensive ends or absolutely, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: take another break. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Ali.

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01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: The players coming off the field here, you heard some

1360
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: heard some fans yelling for autographs here and things of

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01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: that nature. Uh, lots of buzz around here, lots lots

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01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: of fun. Tomorrow should be even better. I would think

1363
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: there'll be a huge crowd here for tomorrow. Don't forget

1364
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: to go on to the Steelers app or at the

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01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: Steelers dot com and get your tickets planning on coming up. Yeah,

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01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure he could get the tickets. As Burt Lowton

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01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: said when we had him on earlier, they'll work with

1368
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: you to get you those tickets. They want everybody coming in.

1369
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: But if you do it ahead of time, you save

1370
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: yourself a little bit of time and in the lines

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Speaker 1: out here, I thought it was cool with Bird said too,

1372
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: is they keep track of Hey Williams has been on

1373
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: that hillside ten days in a row to find out

1374
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: who that guy from New York is. It's always here.

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01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: He has the New York accent and he's all yesterday

1376
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: after Nase yesterday. Yeah. Um, But we're gonna take a break.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more on the Drive right after this.

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Speaker 1: When you want Black and Gold Football Talk want s

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01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: n He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: on Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back on Dale Ally here with Matt Williamson and

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01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: mannag Just scrolling through some of my twitters, tweets, tweets whatever. Yeah,

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01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm going through my notifications. That's what I should say.

1384
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: And Randy Judy, who I guess is listening somewhere out there.

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01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: We appreciate that. Randy said, I think this offense will

1386
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 1: get three to five more first downs per game and

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01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: that will help the defensive line massively. I'm going I'll

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01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: help the run defense, the d line. I think, as

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01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: we talked about an hour or so ago, absolutely has

1390
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: to be deeper this year. I mean, I understand that

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01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: there are injuries on the horizon. No one thought to

1392
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: it in Louilu would missed as much time as they did,

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01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: and that could happen again. Of course, I think they're

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01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: better with able to withstand it now than they were then.

1395
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: And then them not picking on bugs and the Davis

1396
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: brothers and Mondo's and all those. But I don't think

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01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: any of those type of players went on the field

1398
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: this year, and that in itself has a lot of

1399
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, dividends. And I don't think their time of

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01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: possession was particularly awful. They were just under thirty missus. Yeah,

1401
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: it was not where you wanted to be at. Yeah,

1402
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: but it wasn't a positive and I don't know will

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01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: be this year either, But I'm with you that I

1404
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: would expect more first downs. They were. They were at

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01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 1: thirty eight point nine percent last year on third downs,

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01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: which was eighteenth in the league. Horrible, No, not terrible.

1407
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: But how much of that was in the fourth quarter.

1408
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: That's the thing that's a big thing. You know, Ben

1409
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: was great first time, The first half stats are awful

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01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,600
Speaker 1: and you're always playing from behind then and that's a

1411
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: different mentality, and you're scratching a clawn. I mean, I

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01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: would hope the first half stats are better, maybe not

1413
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,839
Speaker 1: the time of possessions, maybe not the overall first downs,

1414
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: and then the whole you know, mentality and the way

1415
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: you play just changes on both sides of the ball dramatically. Yeah. Yeah,

1416
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 1: trying to trying to get Joe Rudder to jump on

1417
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: here with us. Oh, you seduced him. Here we go

1418
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: only if I got you your diet Pepsi yesterday. You're

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01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 1: at the welcome him in, Joe Rutterer from the Tribune.

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01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: You're giving pleasant surprise. Yeah. Absolutely, I'm glad to have

1421
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: Joe joining us here on the drive. Joe, what did

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01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: you say a practice today? Would you like a little

1423
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: bit of a fight there at the edge? I saw it,

1424
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: who was involved? We didn't have a real good view

1425
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: of it. Could give us the lowdown on the blow

1426
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: for blow For what I was able to find out,

1427
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 1: Jake Dixon put somebody on the ground. I'm not sure

1428
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: it was one of them. Looked like a linebacker. Look

1429
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: at edge guy. Yeah. Um. Carlos Davis took exception to that,

1430
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: and he had also had a fight with Kendrick Green earlier,

1431
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: so maybe he was still a little salty from that.

1432
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: Came in now. Tyree Johnson also, that's his name, right,

1433
01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: number forty four, Tyree Defense. Uh yeah, Tyree Johnson, Tyree Johnson.

1434
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,919
Speaker 1: I saw him getting pulled out and separated by Alex Highsmith.

1435
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: But there were so many people in there. It was

1436
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: a big scrum right over. It was a big It

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01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: was last play of practice. Yeah, that's the way to

1438
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: go out. But we're already getting to that point where

1439
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: guys are getting tired of hitting steelers on steelers and

1440
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 1: they're not even using pads yet. Yeah, yeah, which to

1441
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: me it seemed counterproduct because I always thought you wait

1442
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:28,719
Speaker 1: until you put the pads on until you actually started

1443
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: to really fight, right, Yeah, good point. Maybe maybe this

1444
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: means better things are coming, bigger fights. It sure looks

1445
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 1: like to me that this offense is really gonna look different.

1446
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 1: I mean, not just the players, just the Canada aspect

1447
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 1: of it. Are you seeing that in full fledged all

1448
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: the motions? Yeah, from the little bit, you know, we've

1449
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: seen that. You know, they're trying to get the quarterbacks

1450
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: on the run war and you know they were mixing

1451
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: in a lot of two tight ends. Today, I think

1452
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna see some of that more than you did

1453
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, it's you know, it's a variety of things,

1454
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: you know, and um, you know, I can't wait till

1455
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 1: they're actually putting the pads on and running, you know,

1456
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 1: genuine plays where you can maybe tell a little bit

1457
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 1: what's working what isn't. Yeah, yeah, I saw once again

1458
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: George Pickens out there just making plays. Um, he is

1459
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: as big as he is, he is shifty in the

1460
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: open field, like he can starting stop quick. Yeah. He

1461
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,759
Speaker 1: made the play over here on the sideline, which obviously

1462
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: it's hard to describe here, but he caught the ball

1463
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: there in front of Will Witherspoon, then got up and

1464
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: kind of joked his way down the field before I

1465
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: think was Devin Busch finally brought him down, probably about

1466
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: twenty five yards down, but he was moving in and

1467
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: out cutting, like you said, And you know that that

1468
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: was good to see because you know, I don't know

1469
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: if that you think of more him more as a

1470
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: pass catcher, maybe not as the that we're talking about

1471
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,759
Speaker 1: a guy who's just a little over a year removed

1472
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 1: from an a c L injury, and I'm watching him

1473
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: cut like he's you know, like he's Calvin Austin. He does,

1474
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: and Calvin Austin again has continued didn't press with his speed,

1475
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: and he's a fast guy here, right, yeah, I mean

1476
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: I don't even think it's closed, right, Okay, So yeah,

1477
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: well he would be the fastest guy around this table

1478
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 1: perhaps let for dinner, and the smallest except where you

1479
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: have Tyler Snead who uh goes a little bit shorter

1480
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: and a little bit later. How do you see the

1481
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: receiver room? You know, I think we know the top three.

1482
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: Assuming Pickens takes that job, Austin is gonna make the team.

1483
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: I still have hoped for Miller. I think Boykin's interesting. Um,

1484
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 1: those back half of the rot their wide receivers are

1485
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. You know, I've seen mixed things from Boykin

1486
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: so far, but you know, they're giving him every opportunity.

1487
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: I think they kind of like him, right for a

1488
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: guy that has the NFL experience, I thought we'd see

1489
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: more of him last year maybe, you know, coming off

1490
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 1: the front. I asked him about that and at O

1491
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: t A S. I said, you know, why, what was

1492
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: the what was the hold up with that? He's like

1493
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: I came in a mid season. I had to learn

1494
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: the playbook they had already, like they were already kind

1495
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 1: of doing what they were doing with the guys. I'm

1496
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: way behind those guys. So I kind of got it

1497
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: after he told you know, he told me you know

1498
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: about that. But if you remember the one game that

1499
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,600
Speaker 1: he did play was active for, it was only a

1500
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: two yard catch that he had on a crosser, but

1501
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: he caught the end of the ball and like on

1502
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: the run and called just the back tip of the

1503
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: of the football and brought it in for a catch.

1504
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: And I'm like, pretty good. I'd like to see more

1505
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 1: of that red. Yeah, he's got an a proven track

1506
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: record with Mitch Drobiskie. That's true, right, right, true? Yeah,

1507
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 1: And you bring, you know, a guy that has a

1508
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: track record getting a fresh start after having half a

1509
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: season trying to learn the system, and he should be

1510
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: as familiar now as any anybody else with the Yeah,

1511
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: he's a veteran now for this group, right, Yeah, he's

1512
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: he's definitely gotta you know, he's the previous two seasons

1513
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,839
Speaker 1: before last year. Yet I think a hundred one catches

1514
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: combined in those two seasons, So it's not like he's

1515
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: just a throwaway player. I kept reminding people because everybody

1516
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: was excited when they when they signed Boykin from the Ravens.

1517
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're awfully excited about a guy who had

1518
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: one catch last year for six yards. I mean, done it.

1519
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: Millers had far better track record. Yeah, he has put

1520
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: up much better stats than Boykin, who you know, came

1521
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: out at Deonte Johnson class there and you know, another

1522
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: third round pick. But when you were looking at all

1523
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: the other guys that are trying to get the big money,

1524
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: and you, oh, there's Miles boy can wait down there

1525
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 1: in the third round and he hasn't quite panned out

1526
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: like some of those other guys. Do you think Kendrick

1527
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: Green is a shot? They'd be the starting center or

1528
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: left guard, not at center. I wouldn't think. Okay, you

1529
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 1: don't think there's any chance that he gets You think

1530
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: he's a guarden now, Yeah, it seems to be that way.

1531
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: In fact, I mean he came out yesterday and said

1532
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 1: he didn't like playing guard or it, didn't like playing

1533
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 1: center last year and was excited when they put him

1534
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: back to guard. So I and uh, you know, it's

1535
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: just a matter of him or thoughts and and they're

1536
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: both treating it as though thoughts. And even though he

1537
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: started kind of as the number one said, no, he's

1538
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: it's one and one A. He's not considering himself the

1539
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: job to lose. He thinks that, you know, it's up

1540
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 1: for both of them. Then do you think that's the

1541
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: true number one position battle going on on the whole time?

1542
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: Would it seems that way? Quarterback is in that right? Yeah,

1543
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,719
Speaker 1: I mean maybe slot corner, maybe, depending on what happens.

1544
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: But you know, we haven't seen you know, Levi Wallace

1545
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: was sick today and then didn't sipate, So you're you're

1546
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 1: trying to still figure out how they're gonna mix and

1547
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: match with the three outside corners they have, you know

1548
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: who they're gonna shift inside and all that seems to

1549
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: have done a decent job in the snaps. He's gotten

1550
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: it in case he can do it more. We could

1551
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: do it, you know, make it, can do it. They

1552
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 1: got a lot of got a lot of slots. Yeah,

1553
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the more fascinating things, Matt.

1554
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 1: And now we're talking earlier, Um, do you expect to

1555
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: see more dime this year because the number of NFL

1556
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: caliber defensive backs, especially Bush struggles. You keep on linebacker

1557
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: on the field, right, yeah, I mean yeah, then they've

1558
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 1: got enough guys that had the experience and now you

1559
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 1: could throw out there. You know, you could probably name

1560
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: six or seven right off the top of your head

1561
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: that would have some kind of experience and uh, you know,

1562
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 1: even kill a Brew might fit in there somewhere. And

1563
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 1: thought of him. I thought when they signed him, what

1564
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: two years ago, maybe they would look they were looking

1565
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 1: at him, is that hybrid linebacker type. They kind of

1566
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 1: kept him as safety because he's a bigger body. That

1567
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: was his yea, his his calling card coming out in

1568
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 1: the draft was he was a big hitter. And I'm like, well,

1569
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 1: he'd be perfect for that role. And they, you know,

1570
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 1: asked early on about that and he said, no, no,

1571
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: he's a safety. Okay, it's actually been more of a

1572
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: special teams guy. But another conversation we were having and

1573
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,839
Speaker 1: you brought up more twelve personnel, do you think Gentry

1574
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: sees more snaps? Yeah? I think so. Yeah. He made

1575
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:23,600
Speaker 1: one of the best catches. I don't know if you

1576
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: guys to see, yeah, but he made one of the

1577
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: better catches of Travisky coming over the middle. Combat type

1578
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: catch and yeah, I mean he's looked really good to me.

1579
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:33,679
Speaker 1: I mean I think he's Do you think he's developing

1580
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: as a receiver to Okay, Well, yeah, I think he's

1581
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: clearly number two. Yeah, yeah in six eight is six eight.

1582
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean, no matter how you break that down, he's

1583
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 1: not going to get shorter between now on the start

1584
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: of the season. Do you think he catches more passes

1585
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: this year than last? Yes, definitely, Okay, I think so.

1586
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: And it's just a matter of I guess whether it's

1587
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: Sternberger or Raider they consider keep Hayward in that spot. Yeah,

1588
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 1: I still keep thinking that he seems like a full

1589
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: back to me, but he's gonna he's gonna be shifting

1590
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: inside at some point, but we haven't seen it yet. Yeah,

1591
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: at some point. I that's a weird one to me.

1592
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 1: And I don't know how you feel about this show,

1593
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 1: but you can't keep two fullbacks. You can't keep two fullbacks.

1594
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 1: So I think that's why they're they're teaching Hayward the

1595
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,560
Speaker 1: tight end stuff, maybe not necessarily for this year, but

1596
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: maybe next year because what's not cheap. It's such a

1597
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: good special team and he'll be he'll be a free

1598
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 1: agent at the end of this year, but he was

1599
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 1: second in the league last year in special teams tackles.

1600
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: People kind of forget that that's gonna have a big deal,

1601
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, and you want to keep his mate, those

1602
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 1: type of guys when your you know you you need

1603
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: those core special teams guys. Danny Smith Will's head will

1604
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 1: spin if if you start cutting those guys. But Hayward

1605
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: could develop into as good as special team what possible? Right, Yeah,

1606
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: so maybe you do keep them both for this year,

1607
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: and well you find am you know, you think maybe

1608
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: Hayward is a practice squad guy. You know, I think

1609
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 1: Hayward because if you remember he was a running back

1610
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: at Michigan State as well, he's a better ball carrier

1611
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 1: than what. Yeah, I wouldn't surprise ries me if if

1612
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: they keep let's say they keep four or five backs

1613
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,520
Speaker 1: and he's one of them. They said, well, he's our emergency.

1614
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 1: He's they used Trey Edmonds as a runner and he's

1615
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: during his career, Like you know, it wasn't scaring anybody think,

1616
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: Heyward's better than that. I would think, so, yeah, I

1617
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: mean he's just just a football player. And along those lines,

1618
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 1: I know they just picked up McNichols. But do you

1619
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,759
Speaker 1: think they might still be looking for a nausey handcuff.

1620
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: I mean, McNichols isn't going to be an every down

1621
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: guy if Harris goes down. Yeah, you got Manny Snell.

1622
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 1: And do you think there might be somebody outside the

1623
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: organization that they keep an eye on a veteran? Yeah,

1624
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: I think so out here. You know, it wouldn't surprise me,

1625
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, especially someone gets cut or Yeah. Me, personally,

1626
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm not sold on what they have behind him. I

1627
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: don't think they have any faith in McFarland anymore. I'm

1628
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 1: a little he's still around, but uh yeah, I think

1629
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: they'll they'll try to strengthen that at some point. The

1630
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 1: way we were talking about it yesterday, I guess is

1631
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,799
Speaker 1: I think McNichols is really a shot at McFarland, not Harris.

1632
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 1: And they're almost like different you know now, I'm sorry exactly, Yeah,

1633
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: they're different type of players. And you know, he's probably

1634
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 1: an upgrade over McFarland. Speed guys, you know, which is

1635
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: a lot of passes catch us, probably as many passes

1636
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 1: he does carries. You might have jet sweep person and

1637
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,600
Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff too. What have you

1638
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 1: seen We talked a little bit about the mccannad offenses.

1639
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: Look Now, last year at this time, when we were

1640
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: in training camp, we saw a lot of the same stuff.

1641
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,759
Speaker 1: We saw jet sweeps and we saw all the stuff,

1642
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: and then they didn't do much of it in the

1643
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: regular season. I think we can assume that that's going

1644
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: to be out the window here because everything's gonna do it.

1645
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: Everybody we've talked to is said, oh, yeah, we're gonna

1646
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: more play action, more you know, more jets, you know,

1647
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 1: more movement from the quarterbacks. Are these guys, from what

1648
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: you've seen, good enough throwing on the run? I think

1649
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: we'll find that out. I think you've seen Travisky doo

1650
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: to an extent. I've been impressed with Mason Rudolph so far,

1651
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: Kenny pick it to me, looks like a guy who's

1652
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 1: in his third training camp practice. Who's you know he's

1653
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 1: got he's got a waste a goo. Um. You know,

1654
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: we haven't seen all the docun in any kind of

1655
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 1: team activity yet, but yeah, I know, I I so far.

1656
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: I do you know, It's like you said, it's only

1657
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: three three practices in you know, I can't wait for

1658
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: that first preseason game. But yeah, so for and how

1659
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: they use the quarterbacks in these preseason games, it's really

1660
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 1: gonna be be fascinating. Yeah, who gets the reps with who?

1661
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: And what they asked me to do in actual games.

1662
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: I think that's the most fascinating thing of the whole preseason.

1663
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, to meet Joe, and I don't know

1664
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 1: how you feel about this. Our guest is Joe Rudder,

1665
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: but I think the preseason games are going to be

1666
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: much more of a factor than anything has taken place here,

1667
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: at least thus far. Maybe that changes next week, but

1668
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: I think this week this is the just This isn't

1669
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: just heat acclamation. This is Steeler acclamation. You know. I

1670
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: think they're kind of in these extra days for a reason,

1671
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: and Mike tomin is going to use them that way,

1672
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: and you know, then gear up for when they can

1673
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: hit on Monday. Yeah, what do you expect. The rookie

1674
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 1: plan for the Marvin Lee aw is I think was

1675
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 1: com an odd pick. I don't know exactly where. I

1676
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: don't know if he fits in much this year. Um,

1677
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, because they you know, they went out and

1678
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: got Larry Yoga and Jobi and louder Milks a good

1679
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: player improving and you know you warmly and you know, Lulu,

1680
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: when he gets back, I mean, you're you're gonna have

1681
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 1: enough quality depth there on that line compared to what

1682
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: they had in the past. So you know, I think

1683
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for him to to find a spot,

1684
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 1: but you know that's you know, they're probably gonna try

1685
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 1: to develop him. You know, see what he can do

1686
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: for next year. Yeah, he might be a pick for

1687
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 1: the future, you think. Yeah, it's all fascinating. I think

1688
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: this is gonna be just such a fun training camp.

1689
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 1: I know, um, so many, so many different transitions going on,

1690
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 1: not just on the field, but in the front office

1691
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 1: and everywhere that the whole thing. It's almost like, you know,

1692
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: I know, we haven't been here in a couple of years, Joe,

1693
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 1: but it's almost like this is this is just a

1694
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 1: fresh start for everything. Oh definitely definitely is. You can

1695
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, for for everybody and everything going on here.

1696
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: It's just it's like refreshing. Yeah, it had those other

1697
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: two years and it's like, oh wow, it's There was

1698
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 1: a big crowd out here today from the fifteen thousand

1699
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 1: that's the other thing. Now with the tickets, they know

1700
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: how many? That right? You have any idea how many

1701
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 1: we're here today, We're guessing like eight or ten. Yeah,

1702
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. Yeah, I am too. I

1703
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,640
Speaker 1: was totally there were a lot of people. It's more

1704
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: than a pirate game. Yeah, yeah, tomorrow will be away. Yeah.

1705
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 1: Our guest has been Joe Rudder of the trip. Pittsburgh

1706
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: Tribune reveal. We appreciate Joe stopping by. Um, I'm Dale Lolly,

1707
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 1: He's Matt Williamson. You're listening to the Drive here on

1708
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back to finish up the

1709
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: show right after this. When you want Black and Gold

1710
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 1: football talk, you want s n R. He's the Drive

1711
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 1: with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on Home of the

1712
01:22:56,120 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 1: Black and Gold SR Steelers Nation Radio. We are back

1713
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 1: to close out hour three, our final hour here at St.

1714
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: Vincent College at Chuck Noldfield. I am Dale Lally, he

1715
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson. And Matt are you? Are you starting

1716
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: to change your opinion on It's Friday? Will do a

1717
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 1: little fantasy. I guess, um, you're starting to kind of

1718
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: get an idea on George Pickens that maybe he might

1719
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 1: be a fantasy sleeper. I know we talked earlier and

1720
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: there aren't that many targets to go around. But again

1721
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: you look at it, just looking at ums from last year.

1722
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: If I can find him as you're digging, I mean,

1723
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,600
Speaker 1: I will say, in all my dynasty leagues, where you

1724
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:45,560
Speaker 1: keep these guys forever, I've been overpaying for him. And

1725
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 1: in terms of the rookies usually he's like the thirteen

1726
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 1: or fourteen rookie off the board. I've been taking him

1727
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 1: at like eight. Here were the Steelers targets. There were

1728
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: the Steelers targets last year. So Deonte had a hundred

1729
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 1: sixty nine, Claypool at hundred and five, okay, those are

1730
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: both solid numbers. Naji had ninety four, Okay. Then you

1731
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 1: had Friarmouth with seventy nine. Ray Ray McLeod was sixty six.

1732
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: That's an open obviously a vacancy. James Washington had forty four.

1733
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 1: So there you're at a hundred. You're already a hundred

1734
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 1: and ten. How made Juju and Abron have? Uh? Juju

1735
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: had where's the add on? Here? Juju had twenty eight

1736
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: targets and Ibron had eighteen. So you're at a hundred

1737
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 1: fifty six targets right there, and NPJ guys are just

1738
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: buzzing through this math by the way, like me adding

1739
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 1: that off of my head quickly. Fifty six targets available.

1740
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 1: That's a lot of targets. So do you think they

1741
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: throw the ball more or less times than last year

1742
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: as a team, Well, they threw it six hundred fifty

1743
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: three times. I'm guessing it goes down more than up,

1744
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 1: but not dramatic. Dramatically maybe one or two past attempts

1745
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: per game. So that just still doesn't add up to

1746
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 1: I mean, you're still talking about a hundred thirty targets

1747
01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: that available. Targets? Yeah, Um, who in incumbents demand more?

1748
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 1: I can't see Deonte getting more than he had. Well

1749
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: that doesn't count seven targets of Klein Balache had. Yeah,

1750
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: you know there's some other ancillary guys there. Yeah right, Um,

1751
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, so they're they're say there's a hundred and

1752
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 1: forty available. That sounds right, don't you think? Yeah? You know, Um,

1753
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,680
Speaker 1: so if he gets let alone once injury set in,

1754
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 1: I mean, if you know, if he ends up starting something,

1755
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: But if he gets eighty targets. I think that's fair.

1756
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 1: I think he gets eighty, then he could catch fifty passes.

1757
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: I think that would be fair too. Yeah, I don't

1758
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 1: know how fantasy relevant. That makes you weak too. I

1759
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 1: mean it's hard to start a guy that's only to

1760
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 1: catch fifty touchdowns like till he's Chase Claypool was as

1761
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: a rookie. And this isn't even knock on Claypool. But

1762
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: I don't think it would take astronomical, you know, series

1763
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 1: of events for Pickings to be the number two pass

1764
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 1: catcher on this team or go pass Claypool at least. Yeah,

1765
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: I mean it might not happen until week six. I

1766
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 1: mean if it happens at all, But if claypools on

1767
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 1: the on the ground again, the guy who gets open

1768
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:03,640
Speaker 1: is going to get the football. That's the thing, right right,

1769
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 1: I mean they're not. It doesn't matter on Ben's you

1770
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 1: know preferences, I mean the quarterbacks and have less say

1771
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: of where the football goes now than ever. I mean, again,

1772
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: I think Claypool was a bounce back season, but I

1773
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 1: could absolutely see Pickens being the second leading receiver on

1774
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: this team. I mean that's best cases. I would put

1775
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 1: more of a chip down that that that that George

1776
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: Pickens is in the running for Rookie of the Year

1777
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 1: than I would for Kenny Pikett. Oh yeah, yeah, I

1778
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 1: think so too. I bet he plays more snaps this

1779
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: here than pick It by far. Yeah. I don't even

1780
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 1: think pick It may not play at all. I think

1781
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: Pickens would be a might have to go check my

1782
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: my book and see what his number is a Rookie

1783
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 1: the Year. I bet it's a pretty good long shot

1784
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 1: he catches let's say, catches fifty pass or or in

1785
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: your scenario where he moves past Claypool or one of

1786
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 1: the one of the top two guys gets hurt and

1787
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden boom, he's you know, you get

1788
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: thrown into the mix. I mean, I'm not gonna says

1789
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, based on you know what we've seen thus far.

1790
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: But he's pretty damn good. I feel like I'm blowing

1791
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 1: so much smoke in his direction. But we we reference

1792
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 1: Greg Coastel all the time. Greg knows what he's talking about,

1793
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 1: and he's been doing this a very long time, and

1794
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 1: he has said on numerous outlets Pickens is the most

1795
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:23,679
Speaker 1: talented receiver in this trap. Everything that I've seen. Yes,

1796
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 1: I believe it. I mean I understand why he fell

1797
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 1: or why a team might pick you know, a lave

1798
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: over him or whatever. I mean, there were other good receivers.

1799
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 1: It's not you know, it's not a um slam dunk

1800
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 1: that he's a superstar. There's there's things to overcome there

1801
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: and he hasn't produced in a little while. But if

1802
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 1: he's as good as he potentially could be, he's gonna

1803
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 1: be a number one. I mean a year from now,

1804
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: he may be the best receiver on this team, even

1805
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 1: if Deantes are signed. I mean, like he has that

1806
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,759
Speaker 1: kind of upside, is all I'm saying. Yeah, I'm wondering.

1807
01:27:55,840 --> 01:28:00,679
Speaker 1: And now you know this, this Deante Johnson holding ums,

1808
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 1: George Pickens gets more and more, yeah, catches and and

1809
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 1: does these things. Um, if that doesn't kind of spur

1810
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 1: Deonte to come back sooner rather than later, like it

1811
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 1: should be motivating. I mean, if he's as good as

1812
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,560
Speaker 1: he can be and as good as I think he

1813
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,680
Speaker 1: might be, you know, and again these everything has to hit.

1814
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean to sit there and predict someone to be

1815
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:26,719
Speaker 1: a top ten, top twenty NFL receivers, just the catch

1816
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 1: and run that he had today. Yeah, it was very

1817
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 1: aj greenlike, Yeah, he's a little thicker. Yeah. And again

1818
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 1: if he had green career, that'd be phenomenal. I mean,

1819
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's a true number one. That's true

1820
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:39,600
Speaker 1: number one. That's a potential Hall of Fame guy. I

1821
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: mean that's a number one. Um, how are you? Where

1822
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,760
Speaker 1: are you are this? I mean I just heard rumblings

1823
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: and tweets and stuff. I don't know percent trust, But

1824
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 1: didn't they go away during the off season, during the

1825
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,679
Speaker 1: downtime and have throwing sessions together Withskey and those guys,

1826
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 1: And a lot of second and third hand information told

1827
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 1: me Pickens was like the best guy there. Like they

1828
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: were blown away with what he was doing in that environment,

1829
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 1: which isn't his structured And you know, some of your

1830
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 1: natural talents show up because you're kind of goofing off

1831
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 1: a little bit more and you can do what you want.

1832
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: But I just think his talent is gonna blow everyone

1833
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 1: around away here. You know, the guys that people in

1834
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 1: the stand, I don't know that that. I mean, this

1835
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 1: isn't a this isn't a fan base that's necessarily blown

1836
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:23,560
Speaker 1: away by young receivers. We've seen some every year you

1837
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 1: see and every good they just seem to have a

1838
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 1: knack for doing. Now that doesn't mean that you're always

1839
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 1: going to do, but man, it's the track record. I mean,

1840
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 1: I'll bet my bottom dollar he's better than James Washington,

1841
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 1: who wasn't a bad player, you know what I mean.

1842
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 1: So fantasy wise, I don't know what to do with them,

1843
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 1: because he's had three practices an NFL player and he

1844
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,719
Speaker 1: needs some breaks to really get targets and get starting

1845
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 1: potential for fantasy. I'm just saying that day's coming. I'm

1846
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 1: just saying, like when the when the preseason games started,

1847
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 1: it's not gonna surprise me. If he's a leading receiver

1848
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: in the preseason all of a sudden, it won't surprise me.

1849
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 1: He's jumping up like four rounds higher than where where

1850
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 1: he was going. Yeah, it won't surprise me either. If

1851
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,799
Speaker 1: beat reporters like yourself start talking about his practice reports,

1852
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: then he starts climbing, and then to your point, he's

1853
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 1: a star in the first preseason game and then they

1854
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 1: just shut him down and then he gets overdrafted. We've

1855
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: seen enough. If you remember Mike Tomlin didn't play Nagi

1856
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:27,679
Speaker 1: Harris a lot last year in the preseason, right because

1857
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 1: he had seen enough. Yeah, you know, like I don't

1858
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 1: need the world to see this, you know, I don't

1859
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 1: want you tweaking an angle. I've seen enough, and I

1860
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 1: have a feeling they might see enough by the time

1861
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. But at the same time, he's

1862
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 1: a young receiver, Like I think maybe with that position,

1863
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: maybe you play somebody a little bit more. And it's

1864
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 1: different than a running back. You want to give the

1865
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: quarterbacks an opportunity, Like you know, if you're you're having

1866
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:54,720
Speaker 1: a quarterback competition here, you don't want Mason Rudolph out

1867
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 1: there running around or can you pick it out there

1868
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 1: running around with just a bunch of slappy's. I'm sitting

1869
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: here thinking about the jez you know, like they just

1870
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 1: drafted Elijah More to a dore and then they hit

1871
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson in the next round or the next year

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Speaker 1: in the first round. So even if they know those

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Speaker 1: two are superstars, are really really good, or man, we're

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Speaker 1: set at receiver for a long time. You gotta play

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Speaker 1: them because Zach needs are help. They don't not help you.

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Speaker 1: Zack needs are put them nobody. He's gonna get killed

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Speaker 1: right right, and let's make Zack's life a little easier

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Speaker 1: by throwing to these stars that are getting open, because

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Speaker 1: that's what he's gonna do in the regular season. So

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Speaker 1: maybe that's a case for Mitch and Kenny and all

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Speaker 1: these guys. Actually, and if i'm if, I'm Mike toml

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Speaker 1: and I want that kid out there putting that on

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Speaker 1: tape in preseason games. And then defensively, the Cincinnati Bengal

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Speaker 1: was on Week one one, Okay, what are we gonna

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Speaker 1: do here? We're usually the team with Higgins or Chase

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Speaker 1: or something you know, right right right, you know, And

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Speaker 1: to your point, it might get Deonte to sign that

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Speaker 1: things a little quicker to yeah, I mean they get

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Speaker 1: get them back. A little bit of competition is good

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Speaker 1: for everybody, absolutely, But that is going to do it

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Speaker 1: for today's show. Back tomorrow. We'll be back again tomorrow

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Speaker 1: and I can't wait. I can't wait for that. We'll

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Speaker 1: see what tomorrow brings. It's always something new, something exciting.

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Speaker 1: Rumor has it a lot of ticket sales, a lot

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Speaker 1: of ticket sales. Of course, the Hall of Honor, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about that. But for my partner, Matt Williamson, I

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Speaker 1: am Dale Lally. We thank you for listening. We want

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Speaker 1: to thank Jacob Wrec for being here on site, Brian

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Speaker 1: La Martina back in the in the studio as well

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Speaker 1: for keeping us on the air, and you for listening

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Speaker 1: to this edition of The Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the official voice of Black and Gold Nation,

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