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Speaker 1: I remember when he released a single call While We Sing,

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Speaker 1: We Sing? See so you playing gospel music before we

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Speaker 1: had affected me in a way that opened my eyes

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Speaker 1: because I was I was in transition with my life

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Speaker 1: million units he's a gospel of musician, songwriter, choir director,

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Speaker 1: such as The Family, God's Property and One Nation Crew,

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Speaker 1: and it's won multiple awards, including fourteen Grammy Awards. Variety

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Speaker 1: welcome to money making conversations, my man, Kurt Franklin. What's

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Speaker 1: going on? Family? You know? The thing that I like

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Speaker 1: So for thirteen years I got that. I got the

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Speaker 1: And you know, if it was transformed, if it changed

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Speaker 1: And so Celebration of Gospel was very transformative, and that

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Speaker 1: you were transformative, and that Steve was transformative and at it.

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Speaker 1: So you know, those those were the beginnings foundations of

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Speaker 1: started it way back then with while we sing that money,

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Speaker 1: how did you? How did that telling the truth? Now?

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Speaker 1: Telling the truth? Because you know, you know Irban Irban

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Speaker 1: Why do you think what's the timing or was it

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Speaker 1: um when it's six years marks his um introduction into us,

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Speaker 1: to receive the blessings and understand the blessings. Correct, yes, sir, Yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: And and that's all it's been. It's has been God's blessings,

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