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Speaker 1: Today is gonna be very straightforward. I pick five quarterback topics, Rogers,

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Speaker 1: let's get into the quarterback rapid fire, and let's start

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Speaker 1: first and foremost with Aaron Rodgers, because he is the

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Speaker 1: Why because he's Aaron fucking Rogers, a four time MVP.

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Speaker 1: So buckle up, it's about to get real now. Aaron

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Speaker 1: He played football till he was forty five. Anyone's seven

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Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna make fun of it. Different strokes

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Speaker 1: shit like this. But Rodgers needs to come out and

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Speaker 1: that should be the number one goal of Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: I cannot now I've said before. I think you can

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Speaker 1: But if he retires after the season, that's all I

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Speaker 1: I would gladly give you two ones if I get

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Speaker 1: pas McAfee next week, whatever it takes, and be like,

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Speaker 1: to me, and whoever trades for me, I'm all in

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Speaker 1: number two. The Jets. They're in this weird situation, right

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Speaker 1: because the white whale is Aaron Rodgers. You would take

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Speaker 1: pay Daniel Jones. I couldn't even get close to paying

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Speaker 1: him Kirk Cousins money. I cannot do it. I have

428
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Speaker 1: a number that's relatively low compared to top quarterbacks. But

429
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Speaker 1: I also bank on where's he gonna go. Who is

430
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Speaker 1: going to pay him a lot of money? I can't

431
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Speaker 1: see it. And you just gotta stand firm with it,

432
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Speaker 1: and you gotta be unemotional with it. And if he leaves, godspeed,

433
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 1: good luck to that fucking team, because I'll tell you that,

434
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: what if you're paying Daniel Jones forty million dollars a year,

435
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 1: I pray to God we play you next year, because

436
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: that's gonna limit how you build the team. So I

437
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: would expect the Giants day ball taught by you know,

438
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: obviously Belichick, but even Saban's pretty cutthroat, Joe Shane, pretty

439
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: high level dealmaker came, you know, those successful Bills teams

440
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Speaker 1: that kind of reworked their cap. I would expect Daniel Dimes,

441
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: Danny Dimes to be in for a little bit of

442
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: a wake up call when it comes toward his overall money,

443
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Speaker 1: and I think the Giants can get him relatively cheap

444
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Speaker 1: for starting quarterback money. This feels Lamar thing. There was

445
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Speaker 1: a story today on a Thursday, I saw that the

446
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 1: NFLPA is helping Lamar Jackson because Lamar Jackson has his

447
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: mother negotiating his contract, which clearly you know, over complicates things, right.

448
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: A huge part of the combine, and I've been to

449
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Speaker 1: the combine probably five or six times in my life

450
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: when I worked in the NFL, and even kind of

451
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 1: doing it from a podcasting standpoint is you walk around

452
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: and they're just constant gms scouting guys and agents everywhere,

453
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: interacting and partly because you're constantly just talking business and

454
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: you're going, you're finding out information. It's an information gathering time, right.

455
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: Gems are finding out what their own players are going

456
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: to cost, what the trade market is like for some

457
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: of their players. If you're a new coach or a

458
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Speaker 1: new GM, you're figuring out who you can trade wait

459
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Speaker 1: and get for them, who you could cut if I

460
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Speaker 1: have to cut this guy, or I could trade them.

461
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: You're finding out all sorts of information. You're also finding

462
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Speaker 1: out what future free agents and high level guys they

463
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Speaker 1: might be available and what it would cost, how much

464
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Speaker 1: it's going to cost for this player, and when Lamar

465
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Speaker 1: Jackson's mother is representing them one, it would just be hard.

466
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Speaker 1: When the Ravens are like, Okay, here's one hundred and

467
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Speaker 1: sixty million dollars guaranteed, you can go shop and find

468
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Speaker 1: a better offer. It's just very emotional. And me and

469
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: Kawer talked about this a couple weeks ago. When you

470
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Speaker 1: just have Drew Rosenhouse or Tom Condon and his people

471
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: doing it, they're used to doing They've fucking been doing

472
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: it for thirty years' just you know, it's like if

473
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Speaker 1: you're a real estate agent, it's like just selling a home.

474
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: You know. If you're a nurse, it's like helping someone

475
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: in the bed. You know, if you're a car salesman's

476
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: just selling another car, you get very numb to it. Well,

477
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 1: when it's your own son, For any of us, if

478
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: you or I represented our child in contract negotiations, it

479
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: would not be like the way we operated in our business.

480
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Speaker 1: It would be human, it would it would be it

481
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be possible. There's too much of human element. It's

482
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Speaker 1: literally your blood. It's it's the one person or you're

483
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Speaker 1: depending on how many children you have. I would imagine

484
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Speaker 1: I don't have kids, you are never gonna love those

485
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: kids as much as anyone else in your life, beside

486
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Speaker 1: your siblings, your parents, or your significant other. It's just impossible.

487
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Speaker 1: And I would imagine children even to see it with

488
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: my own parents over the course of my life, it's

489
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: got to be the most unique relationship you'll ever have

490
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: in your entire life, right because even your wife, like

491
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: you can get really mad at your parents, can get

492
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: really mad at your brothers and sisters, there's something with

493
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: your children where you just always kind of get over

494
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: it because just true, unconditional up. So this situation has

495
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: already been really weird. It's already in a weird spot,

496
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Speaker 1: and it does feel like trading him. And it depends.

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Speaker 1: These franchise tags are now available, and as I'm saying this,

498
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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone has been officially tagged. I think

499
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: rumors were that the Commanders almost said the R word.

500
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: The football team was going to tag Pain the defensive tackle.

501
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: How they tag Lamar will be interesting. The exclusive tag

502
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: or the non exclusive tag. If you non exclusive tag,

503
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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say they are open to

504
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Speaker 1: trading him. And if he does potentially get traded, let's

505
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: just say to the commanders, to Atlanta, to whoever I

506
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: do wonder, then if Justin Fields and the Ravens make

507
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Speaker 1: some sense, because I expect Justin Fields to get traded.

508
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: I've been saying for a while it's not my personal

509
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Speaker 1: opinion that I don't like Justin Fields. I loved him

510
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Speaker 1: coming out. I would have drafted him number two overall

511
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Speaker 1: in that draft. To me, it would have been a

512
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: no brainer. Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields wasn't even a blank.

513
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: Then we'll figure out the other three guys. And really

514
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: it was the other two guys because Mac Jones ain't

515
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: my cup of tea. And it's just it's gone kind

516
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: of weird, not even weird. It just because last year

517
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: Fields became this incredible runner. He's got a new GM

518
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Speaker 1: and coach. Anytime you got a new GM and coach

519
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: and you're not just like lighting the world on fire.

520
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Speaker 1: Your team's the number one overall drafting team with the quarterback.

521
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Speaker 1: And we'll get into Bryce Young here in a little

522
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Speaker 1: bit like if I had to rank coming out of college,

523
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Speaker 1: who I'd rather have. I like Fields size more, but

524
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Speaker 1: Bryce is a better quarterback. I don't even think that's debatable.

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Speaker 1: If you watch a lot of college football over the years,

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Speaker 1: you would have to say that Bryce Young is a

527
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Speaker 1: better quarterback than Justin Fields coming out of college. It

528
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean Bryce Young is gonna be good in the

529
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Speaker 1: pros a lot of other variables, but I think Fields,

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Speaker 1: to me, if Lamar and feels like both those guys

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Speaker 1: could be on the move. And if Lamar is dealt,

532
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: which obviously he would get dealt for couple one, someone

533
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: pay him a couple hundred million dollars. It would be

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00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: one of the bigger deals. Ever, it would be very

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson ish, given that it would cost two ones

536
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Speaker 1: and the money would be enormous. I mean, it would

537
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Speaker 1: be stupid, and I'm not as confident on that one.

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Speaker 1: But to me, the Fields to the Ravens, we would

539
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: immediately be like, where where's he going? The Baltimore Ravens. Now,

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00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: you would say if Atlanta Falcon still needed a quarterback.

541
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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Justin Fields was drafted at what

542
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Speaker 1: number eleven overall and the Bears gave up another first

543
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Speaker 1: round pick so that they paid a lot to get him.

544
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Speaker 1: But sometimes like there's that sunk cost, you know, way

545
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: to look at it, And that's like ultimately, Ryan Poles

546
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: and Matt Eberflus had nothing to do with that deal.

547
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: So you could be like, well, you gotta get you

548
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 1: gotta get a first round pick back because of what

549
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: you gave up for him. Yes, someone else made that purchase.

550
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: Someone else made that transaction. It wasn't us, right, So

551
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: I think it makes it much easier to like, yeah,

552
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Speaker 1: we'll trade him for a second and a third round pick,

553
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: you know, or something like that, because he still has

554
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: two more years left on him, you know, on the

555
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: rookie contract than that third year is the fifth year option,

556
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: which is very expensive. But like, would you trade a

557
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Speaker 1: second and a third if you're the Atlanta Falcons for

558
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: the chance to strike oil with Justin Fields? I think

559
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: you would do that in a heartbeat. But given that,

560
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at a lot of the

561
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: first round picks, you're not getting the top fifteen pick

562
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: for Justin Fields, I don't think. And when you look

563
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: at the twenties, like, how many teams in the twenties

564
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Speaker 1: are going to do that? Forty nine ers? Aren't? The

565
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: internet have a pick Chiefs aren't. Bills aren't Bengals aren't. Right,

566
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Speaker 1: So I just think get ready if he is dealt

567
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: for the compensation to be a lot different than what

568
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,479
Speaker 1: he was actually traded for. And I think it's very

569
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Speaker 1: understandable coming from the Bears for an office, like I said,

570
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: did not pull the trigger on that deal. They had

571
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. Now they're just trying to

572
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: pivot and move on again. I do feel like Justin

573
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Speaker 1: Fields is going to be moved and last, but not

574
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Speaker 1: least the rookie quarterbacks, but more specifically, and we'll get

575
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: into it next week. This guy, he's one of the

576
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: better college quarterbacks in recent memory, in Bryce Young, But

577
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Speaker 1: next week at the Combine, Like underclassmen don't go to

578
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: All Star games, so and a lot of gms during

579
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: the season don't go on that many school visits. They're

580
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: just too busy with their own team, their own coats,

581
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: their own rosters, so they don't get to get out

582
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: on the road. Some do, and depends on the schedule,

583
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: you could hit a game or two. But I think

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Speaker 1: they are a large percentage of NFL gms who have

585
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: never seen Bryce Young in person, just stood next to

586
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: him every team has had multiple scouts who have gone

587
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: through Alabama, gone to practice, and gone to their games.

588
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: But there's a difference of your scout's telling you this

589
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: when you're talking the number one overall pick and your

590
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: GM and definitely your head coach. There is not an

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Speaker 1: NFL head coach who has seen this guy live and

592
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: just met him and next week Bryce Young because the

593
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: only question mark. If Bryce Young was six foot three,

594
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Speaker 1: he would be unequivocally the number one guy. It wouldn't

595
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: even be a questions, there would be no debate. We

596
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Speaker 1: would just be talking about what is the rank of

597
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Speaker 1: the other three or four guys. C J. Strout, Anthony Richardson,

598
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: will levis kind of that, Creu Tanner, McKee whatever. But

599
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: Bryce is small, like very very small. We've all seen

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00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: pictures by now of them standing around other football players

601
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: and he's way shorter than them. And I say this

602
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: all the time with DeVante Smith because I remember a

603
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: scout told me he's like, because I was. I was

604
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: hard on Devanta a couple of years ago. I'm like,

605
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: I don't think I could draft a guy who weighs

606
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty eight pounds and he's like middlecoff.

607
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: This guy is fucking dominant in high school, went to Alabama,

608
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: kicked the shit out of everybody in practice and in

609
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: the games. At that way, he knows how to play.

610
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: And look at him through a couple of years in

611
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: the pros. Dominant player he is going to have. I mean,

612
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: he's going to make Pro Bowls, not a Pro Bowl

613
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: like I bet he makes Pro Bowls, and not one

614
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: where like a bunch of guys drop out. Like he

615
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: could be a top five receiver at a point in

616
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: time in his career. I think that's in play. And

617
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: one thing when you play at a school like Alabama,

618
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: when you have questions about size, it's like, well, Nick,

619
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: like yeah, every day at practice we couldn't touch the guy.

620
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: In the games against the best defensive players. Remember two

621
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: years ago, they didn't play Georgia once. They played him twice.

622
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Speaker 1: They played him in the SEC championship game, and they

623
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: played him again in the National Championship. And I'll never

624
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: forget the National Championship because I had about five hundred

625
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: dollars on Alabama because I got him in plus odds,

626
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: and I did it for a reason. I mean, Vegas

627
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: was clearly given me. Those odds for reasons because they lost,

628
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: but he was getting pepper. Remember Metchi had gotten hurt

629
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: and Jamison Williams had gotten hurt, and they were missing

630
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: their receivers, and they were playing with some randoms and

631
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: they were dropping the ball. He was just throwing dime

632
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: after time. He was getting hit time and time again,

633
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: and he was kept popping up. There is no better

634
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: team to watch a guy go against to go how

635
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: could he play in the NFL than a defense literally

636
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: full of NFL fucking players. Like half the team got drafted,

637
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: not drafted in the first twenty picks. I mean they

638
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: had a half their team get drafted like the top

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Speaker 1: the top twenty so. I think from Bryce's standpoint of

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Speaker 1: his size, he played in the most physical conference against

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Speaker 1: the best defensive players and dominated and dominated. And he

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Speaker 1: literally played against two years ago, you would say one

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Speaker 1: of the most talented defenses individually. From a NFL standpoint

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Speaker 1: of the last couple decades, some of those Peak Carol teams,

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Speaker 1: some of those University of Miami teams, like they have

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Speaker 1: to be high high on the less some of Saban's

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Speaker 1: peak early teams that were more defensive oriented honestly of

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Speaker 1: the twenty first century, and he looked freaking awesome. So

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Speaker 1: the question is gonna be the size and these guys.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna come into these hotel rooms, and the way

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Speaker 1: the hotel is set up, it's like in this railroad situation,

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Speaker 1: so the hotels are railroad cars. It's kind of cool. Actually,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna come in and he's gonna be small when

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Speaker 1: he shakes Dan Campbell's hand, when he shakes eber flus

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Speaker 1: His hand, when he shakes Damiko Ryan's hand, He's gonna

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Speaker 1: be smaller than all these guys. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: he That doesn't mean he can't play. And I am

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Speaker 1: not some big believer in constantly like, oh, because Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson was a good short quarterback, keep drafting short quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: I think this guy's a little bit different because I

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Speaker 1: think everything that he brings the table from just feel

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Speaker 1: in the pocket, accuracy like his game throwing the football,

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Speaker 1: his instincts, his ability to just read the entire field.

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Speaker 1: He is not some scramble first guy. His arm isn't great,

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Speaker 1: but it's damn good and he's just like, you can't

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Speaker 1: watch and go. This guy isn't an elite quarterback, small small,

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Speaker 1: elite quarterback, but he's an elite quarterback. So at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, I expect Bryce Young to go

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Speaker 1: number one overall, and like I said, what Fields, I

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Speaker 1: think he ends up on the Bears. Appreciate everybody listening,

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Speaker 1: have a great weekend. We will talk soon. Audios the

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