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Speaker 2: One more thing. Wow, Katie Green weighing in with a

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Speaker 3: I know you'd never be so disrespectful to your own

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Speaker 3: a couple of things. Very quickly before we dive into that.

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Speaker 3: We talked a bit about I guess was Wall Street

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Speaker 3: all the scandals, many of which have not reached the

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Speaker 3: And I hadn't heard about a lot of these cases,

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Speaker 3: to get to on the air. College baseball coaches giving

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Speaker 3: inside information to betters, all sorts of stuff. Sports has

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Speaker 3: got an enormous challenge right now with betting. They are

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Speaker 3: I mean, who even thinks about college baseball, much less

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Speaker 2: Right. You wouldn't had to worry about it in previous

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Speaker 3: Right exactly, So anyway, that's gonna be a big story.

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Speaker 3: Also tried to cram in at the very very end

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Speaker 3: of the show, the Babylon b had a bit ten

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Speaker 3: changes Trump made in the God Bless the USA Bible.

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Speaker 3: You probably heard the story Trump has licensed his name

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Speaker 3: an image to some company that's putting out a combo

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Speaker 3: Bible and America's founding documents thing.

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Speaker 2: It's the only official Donald Trump Lee Greenwood Bible, Joe

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Speaker 2: for sixty.

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Speaker 1: Dollars the Bible, and Jack's gotta have.

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Speaker 2: It, and I gotta have it, especially heading into Good Friday.

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Speaker 4: The funny thing about Trump.

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Speaker 3: Is if he really isn't into something, he doesn't know

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Speaker 3: much about it, he's brand new to it, like Christianity

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Speaker 3: or history is he'll say crazy stuff, like he said

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Speaker 3: the other day, the Bible, it's my favorite book.

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Speaker 4: It's a great book. I have many of it, many

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Speaker 4: many Bibles. Its great book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have to tout the Bible. You don't

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Speaker 3: have to say it's a great book. And like when

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Speaker 3: he said, this is one of the funniest things he's

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Speaker 3: ever said. Abraham Lincoln, the late Great Abraham Lincoln, you

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Speaker 3: don't need to pump up Abe Lincoln. You don't have

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Right. If you're into history, you don't need a

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Speaker 2: you're religious, you don't say my religious. I've got so

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Speaker 2: many Bibles. That's not a thing.

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Speaker 4: No, the Bible one of my favorite books.

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Speaker 2: I've got so many of them around the house. That's

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Speaker 2: not the way the whole Bible thing works. You usually

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Speaker 2: have like one that you care about.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, So the folks at the Babylon b who are

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Speaker 3: they had their top ten changes Trump made in The

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Speaker 3: God Bless the USA Bible. Number one, Moses has to

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Speaker 3: hold up the American flag so Israelites can win in battle.

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Speaker 3: That's a variation on a story from the Old Testament.

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Speaker 3: Two Proverbs is replaced with a collection.

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Speaker 4: Of Trump's finest tweets.

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Speaker 3: A book full of Wisdom, two hundred and eighty characters

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Speaker 3: at a time. The New Testament now includes the full

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Speaker 3: text of Trump The Art of the Deal. The two

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Speaker 3: greatest books in history are now together in one volume.

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Speaker 3: A number four Joseph's coat of many colors is now orange,

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Speaker 3: a very beautiful orange. People love the orange coat, everyone

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Speaker 3: says so. Number five Jesus is betrayed by a kiss

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Speaker 3: from Mike Pence. Never trust Pence, short guy, fly on head,

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Speaker 2: Number six all fly on Pence's face.

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Speaker 1: That was memes central for a while.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely Number six.

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Speaker 3: All Biblical villains now have nicknames Phony Pharaoh, Nasty, Nebukin, Ezzer,

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Speaker 4: That's so good.

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Speaker 3: In the New Trump Bible, the first apostle Jesus calls

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Speaker 3: twenty third Psalm is replaced with the lyrics to American Pie.

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Speaker 3: Such a beautiful song. Let's make Psalm twenty three great again.

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Speaker 3: Number nine ravens feet Elijah by bringing a big back

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Speaker 3: Oo again from the Babylon b Oh. Anyway, speaking of unhappiness,

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Speaker 3: you're cursing out your mom or so somebody's moms, shut up?

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Speaker 4: What was it?

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Speaker 5: The other day, my husband and I went to a

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Speaker 2: Are you maybe are you a person that can tune

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Speaker 2: I easily can turn out conversations with me, but like

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Speaker 3: I have a very hard time tuning out extraneous audio.

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Speaker 1: Is that okay? Now? Is telling your parents to shut

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Speaker 3: like a hippie dippy. Anything goes. She's talking about weeding

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Speaker 4: But you're not a carpenter or a gardener.

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Speaker 1: What exactly is the carpenter's way.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Would it be fair to say it's just like there's

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Speaker 3: Essentially, Yeah, it's cut and dried. There are a list

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Speaker 3: If you're a good carpenter, it doesn't go sideways. You

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Speaker 3: Whereas as a gardener, something's always going to go wrong.

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Speaker 3: That's what the job is, and you have to adapt.

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Speaker 2: The only thing I could say to your situation you

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Speaker 2: is I've got one kid that's got all kinds of

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Speaker 2: He has said and done things that if his brother

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Speaker 2: But the kid that's got all these various situations, he

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Speaker 5: I don't even think of that possible circumstance that there

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Speaker 3: Final bit of wisdom learned too late, at least partially,

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Speaker 4: You coach all of your players the way they need

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Speaker 3: Some kids respond well to like the old school disciplined

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Speaker 4: You got to figure out how to pick their locks.

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Speaker 4: And parenting's a.

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Speaker 3: Lot like that too. If you think it's as mathematical

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Speaker 2: So how did the how did the things turn out

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Speaker 2: Did they just eventually did they stop talking or did

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Speaker 5: They went back and forth for like maybe another thirty seconds,

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Speaker 5: that conversation pretty much.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it shocked me.

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Speaker 5: But I like that gardening analogy because that makes more

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know about that mom dealing with her kid,

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Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now that's not to say there are no rules in gardening.

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Speaker 3: as outlined hilariously in the classic movie slash documentary Idiocracy.

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Speaker 3: All right, of course that that it wasn't gatoraded, it

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Speaker 3: was called what brono brono or electrolytes.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's got electrolytes exactly.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's it.