1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: We had problems that people just didn't understand us. We 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: didn't fit what they expected or what they assumed what 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: a real gangster or real whatever the cases in their 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: head should look like. And I always say I'm not 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: a gangster. I would say if a gangster could never 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: be a hustler, a cancer could never be a businessman, 7 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: because did they have that mentality and that would never work. 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: That's why there's just so many field hustlers or drug 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: dealers are businessmen in prison? You know, you try to 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: pick up two things that are never gonna work. 11 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: And I'm Charlie Webster. This is surviving Old Chapel. The 12 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: twins who brought down a troubled Season two now on 13 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: their own in prisons at opposite ends of the country. 14 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: After the Billboard incident, the Flora twins had to learn 15 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: to be independent of one another. 16 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 3: What was it like being separated from Pete? 17 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: It was one of the difficult terms I think I 18 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: ever had to go through in prison. For a long time, 19 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: I just wasn't used to it. Like and I said 20 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: to be man, when am I gonna see my brother again? 21 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 3: Not I'm being involved in his life, letting go of the. 22 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: Fact that I wasn't going to have him anymore, and 23 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: just saying, okay, I have to just try to like 24 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this on my own. You know, that 25 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: was like a big step, I think, you know. And 26 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: it took me years for me to understand that I 27 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: didn't have that person next to me. And then you're 28 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: in prison, right, and I think everyone handles things differently, 29 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: has a different settuation. 30 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 3: To me, this was a big deal. How I didn't 31 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 3: have much a brother, my person that I was you. 32 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: Know, with before I was born, before I understand anything, 33 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: and in. 34 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: Prison supposed to be hard, I get it, but. 35 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: It just it did change in a lot of ways 36 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: where I felt the depression. 37 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: Probably I felt. 38 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: Like I could feel myself just like where something was missing. 39 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: Their entire lives, Pet and Jay had one another to 40 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: rely and depend on, but now if they were going 41 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: to survive in prison, they had to learn how to 42 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: be more like each other. I had to learn to 43 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: like be on my own and average here for myself 44 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: in different ways for all the different things that we 45 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: were going through and in prison. You know, in prison, 46 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: now I'm by myself, and you get put in a 47 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: bunch of different situations where you know, I just started 48 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: becoming a little bit more confident, I guess, and then 49 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: over time it didn't make me a little bit stronger. 50 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: I started to realize how we had kind of handicapped 51 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: each other, and I started to like I had to 52 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: like kind of fill in the part that was missing 53 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: I guess on my own and the part that he 54 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: kind of like brought on. It took learning. It took, 55 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: you know, just learning and really thinking about what that was. 56 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: And for instance, like my. 57 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: Brother's negativity, I couldn't always be so positive. Now I 58 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: had to like kind of adjust and you know, be 59 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: more like cam, Like what would peep think about any situation? 60 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: But I started to realize different things as well. 61 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 3: Was that being with my brother for so long and 62 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: us having. 63 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: Going through the same hardships or life lessons or life 64 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: made us understand a lot of things in the same way. 65 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: Even though we had different views, we were able to 66 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: communicate in a way where we just look at each 67 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: other and be like we understood each other, Like that 68 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: was fine. 69 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 3: And I started to with that. People be lost sometimes 70 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 3: talking to me like what did you say? 71 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: So you've even got to like relearn how to communicate 72 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 2: in a way. As we've said before in this podcast, 73 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: and as I'm sure you've noticed, the brothers sometimes talk 74 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: as well. Even now after all this time apart, they 75 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: still finish each other sent I know exactly what the 76 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: other is thinking. Many twins feel like they have some 77 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: kind of telepathic ability or sixth sense between themselves and 78 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: their sibling, So you can imagine what it must have 79 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: been like for Pete and j Jay had to learn 80 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: how to communicate on his own pretty quickly, because if 81 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: he didn't, it was going to cause trouble. 82 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: Do you think that you go to prison, it's going 83 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: to be different, right, You're gonna get away from that 84 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: life and you're going to be around you know, it's 85 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: supposed to like make a difference. And here I am 86 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: transferred to a new prison and I get put in 87 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: this out. I was supposed to be alone, and then 88 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: they came like, oh, you're going to have a sally 89 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: make room. He should be here any minute, I guess. 90 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: I look, Oh my god, I know, isn't he doesn't 91 00:05:52,800 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: you know me? I'm like, yeah, I had a young brother. 92 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 2: The Ariano Cartel, also known as the Tijuana Cartel, was 93 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: at the time one of the Cineloa Cartel's biggest rivals. 94 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 2: They attempted to assassinate El Chapo and Mayo multiple times. 95 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: The Ariano brothers founded and led the Ariano Cartel, and 96 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: Jay's new cell mate was the youngest of the brothers, 97 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 2: Francisco Ariano. 98 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 3: And he looked at me. He was like, then you 99 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: do know me, and you're not supposed to each other. 100 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: We're not supposed to each other, but we're you know, 101 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: and here we are being Sally's and I used to 102 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: you know, we started talking a little bit like wow, 103 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: look at us. 104 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: We're hearing this like we're in the South together. And any. 105 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: If you knew anything about me before when we were 106 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: in Mexico, you would have had no problem just. 107 00:06:59,320 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: Killing me. 108 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: And here we are, and we always woul laugh about 109 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: those t kind of things like and it was funny 110 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: to him because he never met someone like who spoke English, 111 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: who like and then knew a lot of the same 112 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: people he knew. And here I am with Chapel's biggest rival. 113 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: And the head was out already on ocur to being 114 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: my Sully and turning into this friend of mine. 115 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: And it was training for. 116 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: Him because he didn't understand the culture right, the politics 117 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: of prison. So there was a lot of times where 118 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: I had to like kind of just use my influence 119 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: to be like, okay, stop hold on, he doesn't know, 120 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't know any better just because it's prison, and 121 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: and uh yeah it was you know, we will save 122 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: stories and was it we just got really c I 123 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: think that people would be taken back, like hold on, 124 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: did he just say that ran brother? 125 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: Yes, brother who was swore they were like torn in 126 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 3: me for you know, carte or top of my. 127 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: And I wasn't like to me, I wasn't invested in 128 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: those type of like politics, but me being part of 129 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: the cartev for sure. 130 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: Didn't know who you were. Did end? I didn't bring 131 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: it up. I didn't bring it up at first. 132 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: This was early on, so as I started to kind 133 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: of talk to him, he would kind of look at 134 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: me and like maybe two three years into me being 135 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: with him a lot, and I think I would share 136 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: stories like like stories about Mexico, but never really like 137 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: like you don't want to like seem like you're bragging. 138 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: And one time he told me, hey, Twin, you know 139 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: they say that you used to like do this and 140 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: do that for top of my own like, but he 141 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: I used to tell him that I knew them and 142 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: I knew certain people, and he was just like, you know, 143 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: for the longest time, I just never believed you, and 144 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: it bothered me that I thought you were full of shit. 145 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: You know, he's real, honest, he said. And I don't 146 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: know if I still believe it, but I'm starting to 147 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: kind of understand. He was more curious about the way 148 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: I was raised and where I come from to how 149 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: I made it there. Yeah, and I guess that's everyone's 150 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: my curiosity. The good thing is that, you know, he's 151 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: a family man. You know, I was feminized who were 152 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: kind of there for each other, and two hard times 153 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: I was there when his brother was murdered, and I 154 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: was there for him as well. So it was like 155 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: one of those things where he would always be like, 156 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: I never met someone like you like that you could 157 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: just be honest and just open. He would be like, 158 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a good idea for you have 159 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: pictures of your family, especially not of your wife, because 160 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: then you have different people come in and they're like 161 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: looking at your family. 162 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 3: I used to be like, they're gonna. 163 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: Look anyway, Like it's okay, just bringing him up to 164 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: like culture, and I always trying to show him things 165 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: that he picked up because of me. He picked up 166 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: starting to play basketball, so we used to love playing basketball. 167 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: He's a great athlete for sure. Soccer player. He actually 168 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: made me play soccer and I. 169 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 3: Never like played soccer. 170 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: I remember even when I started playing chess. When I 171 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: got there, he gave me his motivation because I just 172 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: had started playing just and I'll get aggravated because you know, 173 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't good. And I remember he told me, he 174 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: said that I know if you put your mind to this, 175 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: he said, no one will be to you. 176 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 3: And he said that he kind of sparked something and 177 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 3: I was like, wow, he's. 178 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: Right, And I think for five years I dedicated myself 179 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: to like chess and like learning it and just taking 180 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: earl in and understanding my mistakes and I would just 181 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, I dedicate a lot of time to it. 182 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: Sammy the Ball was one of the first ones. I 183 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: sat there and he was like, you know this piece 184 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: does this. 185 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 3: You know, yep, you heard that right. 186 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 2: Sammy the Bull, the same Sammy the Bull whose cooperation 187 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: against mafia boss John Gotti was the very thing that 188 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: inspired Jay to convince his brother to turn their lives 189 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: around and cooperate in the first place. 190 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 3: So he'd sit youkw did show you reach? Yeah, like 191 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 3: Richie and he left the game with Chest too. 192 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: It may seem far fetched, but both Jay and Pete 193 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: ended up spending time with Sammy the Ball in prison. 194 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 2: Pete would later spend years as sam of the balls 195 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: cell mate. Some of the Ball even tried to extort 196 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 2: Pete at one point. 197 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: So I'm with Cartel figures, a lot of big, major ones. 198 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: I'm with Italian bosses. Sami the Ball, you know, one 199 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: of the persons that kind of planted the seed in 200 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: my head of you know what was going to kind 201 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: of take the you know, my life right and my 202 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: decision in a way, and. 203 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: Then you ended up in prison with him. Yeah, really ironic. 204 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: Yes, he was a good friend of mine. He was 205 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: able to teach me now to learn, you know, I 206 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: learned how to play board games in prison. I grew 207 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: up differently. I never played board games. I never knew 208 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: how to play a card game. I used to use 209 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: them chess analogies, and I didn't even know what it 210 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: meant to be honest, life is like a game of chess, 211 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: and so I started playing, said, oh shit, life is 212 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: like a game of chess. 213 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: Reveral cancer business. 214 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: Playing chess is very common in prison. It helps build 215 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 2: critical thinking skills as well as strategy and patience. It's 216 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 2: so popular that there are international chess tournaments for prisoners. 217 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 2: Both Pete and Jay became passionate chess players. They even 218 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: showed off their chess skills to me while we were 219 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: all in the safe house. Chess also helps to keep prisoners' 220 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 2: minds occupied, but there's more to do in prison than 221 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 2: just play chess. Being a part meant the twins were 222 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: able to find their own voices. Pete took every class 223 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: available and even led his own Bible study class after 224 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: he found God. 225 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: You know, I participated in every educational program at the 226 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: prison offic like every program you think about. Participated and 227 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: I had like I have a certificates, like you know, 228 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: a thousand certificates and classes I took and things I did. 229 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: And not only did I do that, I help, you know, 230 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: teach classes. I took courses to help tutor and you know, 231 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: and do you know e s l like English classes 232 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: and and all kinds of stuff I didn't. I run 233 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: the Bible study for years. 234 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 3: I did all that. Can you tell us submit the 235 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 3: courses that he took h. 236 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 4: Fat you know, CDL thing and real estate classes, psychology classes, 237 00:14:55,080 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 4: mental health preparation and self help perchane leather class, parenting, 238 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 4: I mean, carpentry, whatever they offered. 239 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: You know, I was participating. 240 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't feel like a waste of time, you know, 241 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, I like to learn new things. 242 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: Jay also started his own class, but it wasn't a 243 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 2: Bible study. He created a self help class with his 244 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: own curriculum. 245 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: I decided to start teaching them like a self help 246 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: class and strengthening your thoughts and your mind and the 247 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: way you stink, your mindset and how you perceived and 248 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: how you look at things. In a extra permission to 249 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: teach a class, you had to go through the through 250 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: the whole, like fill out paperwork. 251 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: I had to do a curriculum. I head to all that, and. 252 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: I was surprised when I actually would askally, like list, 253 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a class like next thing, you know, 254 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm like having sixty people. 255 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: And there was another class he had a handle or 256 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: maybe I should say foot in getting starts it. 257 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 3: So there's a guy in prison, older man. 258 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: He was always moving and he's bothering me and always 259 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: like I see him step like. 260 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 3: Like he might be like hey and just come in 261 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 3: dancing and look really like like like nice. And I 262 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 3: was like, you think of the Joe said, hey, Joe, 263 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: would you teach me how to dance? So so? And 264 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: he's like, sure, I'll teach you. He thought about it first, 265 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 3: like I'm like, but I'm stiff, you want to? I said, 266 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 3: what do you want her? And he said, I'll teacher. 267 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: I'm a teacher. So he like and he thinks I'm 268 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: playing like he thinks like, yeah, let me know. I'm like, no, okay. 269 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: And I wouldn't tell anyone because I knew I was 270 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: gonna hear. So we go. 271 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: And we had MP three players and we were like 272 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: they would make these wires that you could hook up 273 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: to like arrange your TV and you know, to play 274 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: the sound then. So I had to kind of make 275 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: arrangements so that everybody else feel like if there was 276 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: a speaker going and it was a workout time, so 277 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: I could kind of be like, hey, can I let 278 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: me play this music? 279 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: You know, like could you could you front on your headphones? 280 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: Like I had to extra favors in order to happen, 281 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: and sure enough he started teaching. 282 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 3: We had that. So at first I was kind of like, 283 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 3: you know, it was a little bit. I was more 284 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 3: nervous about being able to do it. And of course 285 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 3: we're in prison. 286 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: There's a bunch of dudes like so for was a 287 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: girl and you know, and at first it was like constant, constant, 288 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: and at first like you puttering on the guard. See 289 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: you guys feeling this. 290 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 3: We have cameras, and then the guards would come in 291 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 3: and be like, are you guys serious? There he go, 292 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 3: guying by the hip and move your hip, whatever the case. 293 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 3: And I'm always said, I'm always de sured myself. And 294 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 3: next thing, you know, the jokes, the jokes, they start 295 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 3: to giving up, just like they always know. 296 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: But next thing you know, they're putting up chairs lucky 297 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: and they're like, well, let me try. 298 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 3: But it became a dance fan. 299 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: The only thing that some guys even even you know, 300 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,719 Speaker 1: some guys got it fast. 301 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 3: Let me tell it, took me sixty seven months to 302 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 3: learn song. 303 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: Next thing, you go so that I'll show off blade 304 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: and there's other guys and like I'll be hey, hey, 305 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: hold on, that's me and thank my teacher, the nicest 306 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: one of the nicest, oldest men from Philly, and he 307 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: really really nice, really nice guy, and he was patient 308 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: with me and be like and he begs flim and 309 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: whatever the case is. I always make fun of Him'll 310 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: be like, well, well, how do you you know in 311 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: the beginning, how do you touch her? 312 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 3: How do you ever? And he's like, you got a 313 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 3: firm she had a big butt. So I'll be like 314 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 3: like this, how you like day? I'm not dry to 315 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 3: be like, you know, whatever the case. So we were. 316 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: It was a fun time, but it was six months 317 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: and I had to do a lot of these actually 318 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: put that together because we're in the visiting room, we're 319 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: in prison. 320 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 3: I had to get the right guard that knew me. 321 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: And you know, when they know that you're there to 322 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: do your time and like not to cause trouble, and 323 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: you help like they respect that they're not going to 324 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: give you a hard time. So you know, me taking 325 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: my infantry to the visiting room was like, it's kind 326 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: of bad, Like you can't do that. 327 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 3: And he put the picture up. 328 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: And you had to walk into a visiting room and 329 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: there's a picture of a woman. It's not like it's 330 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: just her in a wedding dresses valeries type of wedding dress, 331 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: you know. 332 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 3: And you're lucky you didn't say breach of security. Yeah. 333 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 5: So he. 334 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: And we planned it out and I put on my three. 335 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 3: I already had a plane. 336 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 5: I walked in on my kiss and it was our anniversary, 337 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 5: and he had somebody to do this big painting and 338 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 5: they put it up on the wall and made my 339 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 5: in my wedding picture, my wedding photo. 340 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 3: There's a television in the visiting. 341 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 5: Room, so they allowed him to plug up his MP 342 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 5: three player. So he put on the Mark Anthony's song 343 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 5: and it was Sausa and Jay didn't know how to 344 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 5: dance alsa at all. When he put out my hand, 345 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 5: my kids were just giggling. They were laughing. My daughter 346 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 5: and my son they were laughing. They were cracking off. 347 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 3: And he took me to dance. And the way he 348 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 3: was leading me and the way he was dancing. 349 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 5: Like I felt like I couldn't even keep up with him, 350 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 5: like he was that good, like he was. 351 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 3: Like a year. 352 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: And then at first she was like, what are you doing? 353 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: And she was getting read and then she just we. 354 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 3: Just danced some dance. I just followed because I'm up. 355 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: Because he was like, we played the mark Anthony, can 356 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: you remember what songs caed? 357 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: It was. 358 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 5: In bring my Confident. 359 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, okay, can tell me don't ever 360 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 3: take your eyes off of her and. 361 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: He and it was like you stare. 362 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 3: Laughing, my kid laughing, and they were they were so happy. 363 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 6: They were like wow after I played song, and that's 364 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 6: when it's yours. 365 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 3: I didn't get in trouble one day for going overboard. 366 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 3: It was for Valentine's Day. 367 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: I decided to make val They used to do cruseee 368 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 1: like Teddy Bears, and I put like a Teddy Bear 369 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: with a red heart with Jayanne. I made the biggest 370 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: picture of our and I actually had them like airbush 371 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: a background for Valentine Day, not just for me, but 372 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: for everyone. 373 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 3: And I closed up the busy room with. 374 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: Or got me flowers and basis on every table for everyone. 375 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking Valdiste's Day, it's control and yeah, they 376 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: thought it was cute, they thought it was nice. They 377 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: let me enjoy it, they let me like cover and 378 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: then after that and then I got it for that. 379 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I'm not going to go the time, 380 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: who how I did it? You know, like at that time, 381 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 3: But the cons like, oh what then you think you want? 382 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 3: And how did you do that? How did you manage 383 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 3: to pull it off? I'm like, just happened? All They're 384 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 3: all right, you know what, Ha's just happened. 385 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: Your room'll be shirking down, and I hope you don't 386 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: have anything you have in there this contraband. 387 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 3: You're gonna answer that. I went to my room. 388 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: There was like two CEOs in my room just tearing 389 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: it up. And one of them was a nice seal 390 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: that I knew that I didn't have. 391 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 3: To worry about. But one of them wasn't. And they 392 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 3: gave me like five different signs like different. 393 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: Contraband expecisively fact they want to put me to shoot, 394 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: And thank god I. 395 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 3: Had good prison attorneys and we beat this. We beat 396 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 3: the stargesh. 397 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: Jay wasn't the only romantic one. Pete sent flowers every 398 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 2: Wednesday for the entire time he was in prison, and 399 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: he learned yet another skill. 400 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 3: He played the guitar. 401 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 6: He taught himself how to play the guitar one song 402 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 6: and one song, and he played it, and he played 403 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 6: he played the guitar and sang me the song on 404 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 6: the phone. And then and Grains of Rice he wrote 405 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 6: down all the lyrics of the song. 406 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 3: And a grain of rice. 407 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 5: He wrote every single lyric, every word is the song 408 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 5: and a grain of ice. How many grains of rice 409 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 5: is that? 410 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 3: It took months to do that, Yeah, it was. 411 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 6: It was the Brian Brian Adams. 412 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: So the theme song to Brave Part Brave Heart and 413 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 3: thank You j. 414 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: In the movies, you often get the perception that prison 415 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 2: is survival of the fittest, hardened criminals, all fighting to 416 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 2: be the top dog. In many ways, it mirrors the 417 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 2: power dynamic of the cartel. But there's another side that 418 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 2: we don't get to see or hear about as much, 419 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 2: one that's full of Salza classes, Bible study, and even 420 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: extravagant gestures like writing song lyrics on grains of rice. 421 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: For Pete, it was his love for viv that kept 422 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 2: him going, especially as the struggle of prison life really 423 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 2: started to take its toll. 424 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: You know, I was trying to should I got into 425 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: some more trouble and you know the apology where you're going. 426 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 3: They put me in a place where they're like, okay 427 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 3: you and they. 428 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: Targeted me you know, the constant like personal and just 429 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: to show you who's in charge. 430 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 3: And it was like it was just overwhelming. At times. 431 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: They're literally like shake down my cell every other day, 432 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, and they'll count my pictures so you can't 433 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: one in twenty five, you know. 434 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 3: And the visits were horrible. 435 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: It went from me being able to sit next to 436 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: my family to them saying we're gonna sit across from 437 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: each other like this, don't get up your chair, don't 438 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: look and wear don't do nothing, you know, And I 439 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: was like, I can't touch a kid, Like no, you're 440 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: gonna sit in from the churre. 441 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 3: You're canna talk and that's it. 442 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: And they would cancel my visit quick like, oh, we 443 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: have a bunch of people are expected to visit this week, 444 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: so you cannot go out because you're the one that 445 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: gets the most visits. And then the people want to 446 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: show up and I'm like, can have my wife, No 447 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: one's coming. No. 448 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 2: The twins were under intense protection because there was such 449 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 2: a valuable asset to the government, which meant the security 450 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 2: surrounding visits was tight. They had to vet all visitors 451 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: when they arrived, case of any association to them. Because 452 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 2: of this, family, visits were often ended abruptly or just 453 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: stopped all together. 454 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 3: Then you go and they'll be like, well, there's another 455 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 3: visitor coming there. You gotta get up. 456 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: I gotta get off my chair, go to the bag 457 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: and look out, you know, a two way window, like 458 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: a two way mirror, and look at the new visitors 459 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: coming in and okay, then clearing them. Okay, you know, 460 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: like I don't have no parts with them, like they 461 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: I try to kill me. 462 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna have to check who they were in 463 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 3: the case they recognized you. 464 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, so then I have to Now I'm good. But 465 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: they'll take their time, and sometimes it was like constant. 466 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,959 Speaker 1: It was like, you know, I'm just trying to get 467 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: to my visit, and there was just so much for me. 468 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 2: At this point, the Flora's twins have been in prison 469 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 2: for six years and still didn't know how much longer 470 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: they would have to stay there. 471 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't sentenced it, so it was six years in 472 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: prisonage six years. Why did it take so long for 473 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: you actually to get sent so I guess, I mean 474 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: it's part of the you agreed to postpone your sentence. 475 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 3: So the cases kind of finished. 476 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: Their first six years were spent in limbo because they 477 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 2: couldn't be sentenced until El Chapo was arrested. On the 478 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: twenty second of February twenty fourteen, Mexican authorities conducted a 479 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 2: series of raids on El Chapo's safe houses, which were 480 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: protected by reinforced steel. Initially, he was able to escape 481 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 2: through a tunnel underneath the hydraulic bathtub. He was tracked 482 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 2: to a hotel in Mazatlan, a beachside town on the 483 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: Pacific coast of Mexico, where he was hiding with his family, 484 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 2: a bodyguard, his chef, and his babysitter. Three minutes after 485 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: the raid on the hotel began, El Chapo was in custody. 486 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: What did it feel like when he knew Chapo was 487 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: first arrested. 488 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 3: I couldn't relid myself. H it was so real. I 489 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 3: was shocked, just like everybody else. 490 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: I remember being shocked and then kind of like like 491 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: first time, I was like, well, this wasn't for nothing, 492 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: you know, like this wasn't for anything, Like this is 493 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: like this is There's gonna be more to this. Instantly, 494 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: like there's gonna be more to this, Like it's not 495 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: just me just you know here in prison, which was 496 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: kind of scary. At the same time, I was in. 497 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 3: The visiting room room. Man, I was on my. 498 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:56,719 Speaker 1: I was on my visit and they came in and 499 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: like terminated my visit like kind of randomly, like. 500 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: You know, really, and they they aksed me, what did 501 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 3: you say? They they are? 502 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: They approached, like three seals approached and they opened the 503 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: door and they and it was me and a man 504 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: and I was like, we're probably the only ones in 505 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: the small visiting room at the time. 506 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 3: They approached me. 507 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: They say, you know, I'm sorry, but your you know, 508 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: visit has ended and we need you to come with us. 509 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 3: And I was like, what they do. We're sitting across 510 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 3: on the table like. 511 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: I as soon as I came to like the door 512 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: that she was like and they just caught chappels. 513 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 3: You said that to you? The correction officer, the seal 514 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 3: comes and he like, they just caught chapel. Man, did 515 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 3: they say do. 516 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: You like that? 517 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: Man? 518 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? Like they really kind of nonchalant, yeah, like and 519 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 3: you know, he was like wait. I was like, man, 520 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 3: they keep the fuck out there here, like for real. 521 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: The whole prison was going on lockdown, like they didn't 522 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: understand why, but they locked us down like that was 523 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: escorted straight to my son. 524 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 3: Were locked down for the. 525 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: Next two or three days, and I guess they felt 526 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: like that the prisoners were like, you know, like getting rowdy, 527 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, especially in the in the main units of 528 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: this maximum security prison, you know, so in order to 529 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: keep it, you know, calm, they just prevent the measures. 530 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 3: They just locked everyone down. 531 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: And I remember like being able to watch the news 532 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: on TV and just like being shocked, like and they 533 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: never thought they'd. 534 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 3: Catch 'em alive, you know. 535 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: You know, it was one of those moments where it 536 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: was on every channel, especially like the Spanish news. 537 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 3: They interrupted all the broadcasts. 538 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: What key it Jazman. 539 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 3: The maximusa. 540 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: Mexican no deficient beginian who say that you're tuning the 541 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 2: DS metros for Locas. 542 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: Plan, you know, and they, you know, they're showing different 543 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: parts of the story, and it's weird to see like 544 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: your face come up in those news, you know, Breeze, 545 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: and when they talk about the case and the magnitude 546 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: of his you know, drug dealings and. 547 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 3: And everything he had you know done in the history, 548 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 3: in his whole history, you know, and. 549 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: It was just one of those moments you just feels surreal, 550 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: like I just didn't believe it, you know, and I questioned, 551 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, what was next for us? 552 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, they moved the sentence me and my brother. 553 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: In that year after he was captured, they started to 554 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: talking about us getting a sentence, like towards the end 555 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: of the year. 556 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 3: I think it was in their point of view that 557 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 3: they didn't think that. 558 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,479 Speaker 1: Chapel was the government was ever going to extra day, 559 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: So I guess they felt like, why, you know, keep 560 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: making his way. So my sentencing day was set for 561 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: January twenty seventh, twenty fifteen, that they would be, you know, 562 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: seeing the judge and he would be decided. 563 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 3: My faith and me and my brother were separated. It 564 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 3: wasn't be the first time I seen him. 565 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 2: El Chapo was captured in February twenty fourteen, but there 566 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 2: was no guarantee that the Mexican government would ever extradite him, 567 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 2: so the twin centencing was arranged for the twenty seventh 568 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 2: of January twenty fifteen. 569 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 3: So when did you next see each other after that moment? 570 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 1: We've seen each other in suw thousand and fifteen January 571 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: twenty six. 572 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 3: We got sent the twins. It was kind of like 573 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 3: five years later, remember. 574 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: Thinking that we're gonna go get sentenced, and you know, 575 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: it's we're nervous for our situation. We're like, it's a 576 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: really stressful time for us. We've been to so much 577 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: and really we're like, this is really going to. 578 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 3: Determine our future. 579 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: And our wives been waiting so long, the kids, you know, 580 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: we're thinking that, you know, guy are willing, you know, 581 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: we want to go on. 582 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 3: I'm trying. We want a long wait, you know, and 583 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 3: playing and simple. 584 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 2: The twins were in separate parts of the country and 585 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 2: they both had to get to Chicago to be sentenced. 586 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 2: The government sent a private jet to escort them. Jay 587 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 2: was the first one to be picked up, then Pete. 588 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 2: They were both shackled for the journey. 589 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: The next day, the Marsh's coming and when they moved 590 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: you when they move someone with my brother and I 591 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 1: they come like with you know, fifteen of their special force, 592 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, marshals or whoever their contractors are. 593 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 3: Like, and they come to get you, and I remember 594 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 3: it was very cold, it was snowing. They end driving 595 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 3: me like. 596 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: Literally ten minutes away to the little airport. I'm parking 597 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: a hangar and I'm sitting there. 598 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 3: And I can hear them talking. You know, I'm shackled, 599 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 3: you know, been in the over the last three days 600 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 3: and not feeling good. You know, I'm nervous. 601 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: I remember sitting there. I can hear them saying, Warlock 602 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: one to Warlock two. 603 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 2: We're approaching the sentencing will be their first public court 604 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,919 Speaker 2: appearance since they were taken into custody. Pete and Jay 605 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,720 Speaker 2: hadn't seen each other for five years. 606 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 3: They're waiting for the plane to land, and he kept saying, 607 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 3: more like one to where I to. My brother's on 608 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 3: the plane. Almost plasitive share she's on the plane. 609 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: I can't ask them, so almost the plane, you know, 610 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,399 Speaker 1: I could see the plane getting rid of the land. 611 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: We're sitting like in the hangar. I could see the 612 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: plane approaching the private plane. I know, you know, it's 613 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: taking forever, like the land to spin around. But I remember, 614 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: like they pull up and I'm sitting in the in 615 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: the in the truck stuff, and I see the mill 616 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: pull the doors open, and when they tell me come on, 617 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: I rush out. Can I remember, I'm just looking down 618 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: trying to peek over at the corner, and I just 619 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: see it as a great squats and it shows you know. 620 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 3: And brother was staying there. 621 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 2: Surviving l Chapo. The Twins Who Brought Down a Drug Lord. 622 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 2: Season two is hosted by Curtis fifty cent Jackson and 623 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 2: me Charlie Webster. 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