1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Fellow ridiculous historians, welcome back. We've got a classic episode 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: for you that we are quite excited about. We want 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: to tell you at the top this might not be 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: appropriate for all the kiddos with the sensitive ear lobes. 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: It's funny. 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 3: I was just telling you Ben Off Mike about the 7 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 3: recently reconnecting with the dude who hooked us up with 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 3: mister Wayne Fetterman, comedy legend, comedy expert, educator, Los Angeles 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 3: comedy scene luminary. 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 2: And I did mention to this. 11 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 3: Guy Jeff, that this was by far the filthiest episode 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 3: pair of episodes in fact, that we have ever done 13 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 3: here on our humble little PG thirteen show. 14 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: Yes, even more so than the James Joyce episodes. 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: Hey, you guys think of that James Joyce? 16 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: Thank you? 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: Okay. 18 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 3: It was a bunch of people like talking on the 19 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: street about their favorite James Joyce quote, and it was 20 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 3: a joke. 21 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: Obviously all of them were from the Filthy party letters. 22 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: Yes, and filthy farty letters have have always been a 23 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: struggle in a lot of societies. What does free speech mean? 24 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: What makes a word a dirty work? 25 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 2: And what makes a fart not free speech? I think 26 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: it is. It's a kind of speech. 27 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: It is a kinde of speech. 28 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 3: Well, are we or are we not? Today talking about 29 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 3: George Carlin and his list of dirty words and how 30 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: that kind of got under a little b in the 31 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 3: bonnet of the FCC. They won't let George b. 32 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: All the way up to the US Supreme Court. And 33 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: we're learning this with our returning special guests, the legendary 34 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: Wayne Fetterman. So let's roll it, folks. Thanks for tuning in. 35 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: Let's do it. Before we get started, folks, it's important 36 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: to know that this episode contains some strong and explicit 37 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: language that may not be suitable for all the listeners. 38 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: So if you've got your kiddos in the crowd, this 39 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: might not be the episode for them. We thought about 40 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: censoring it, but we decided we couldn't, not in good faith, 41 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: because this episode is fundamentally about free speech and language. 42 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: We hope you enjoy. Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. 43 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you for 44 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: tuning in. If you check the headlines or the title 45 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: of your podcast before you listen to them, you will 46 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: know that this is episode two of a two part series. 47 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: If you have not heard episode one, please don't delay, 48 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: click pause, go listen to episode one. You'll want to 49 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: catch up. Hi, I'm ben. 50 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: Hey, it's me. No, my microphonic glory. 51 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: You sound wonderful. 52 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: Man again, it's my dulcet tones. 53 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: Dulcet tones. Yeah. So we had, as we said, a 54 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: little bit of a technical difficulty in the first episode. 55 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully you could hear me bleeding into another mic, 56 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 3: but it's just not as high fidelity as this is. 57 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: Listen to me leaning into the mic. 58 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: Well done. So we are of course always accompanied by 59 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: a super producer to help us save the show. Today 60 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: that is our guest super producer, Paul Decant. However, we 61 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: still hold a very special place in our hearts for 62 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: our super producer, Casey Pigri, and a glint in our 63 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: eye and a swing in our step. 64 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: And we are also joined today by our incredible guest 65 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: Wayne Fetterman, who had some incredible things to say about 66 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: the history of stand up the storied careers of Lenny 67 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 3: Bruce and today specifically George Carlin. 68 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: And without further ado, let's get the show on the road. 69 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 4: This is this is incredible. I am still like It's amazing. 70 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 4: This all happened when I was a kid, so it's 71 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 4: just it was just great. George Carlin again, who was, 72 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 4: you know, a beneficiary of Lenny Bruce's expanding expansion of language, 73 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 4: and there was a number of comedians like it allowed 74 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 4: Red Fox and Richard Pryor to speak in their street 75 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 4: vernacular without getting arrested, you know, just like, I don't know, 76 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 4: this is the way I talk on the corner when 77 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 4: I'm making people laugh. I think I can bring this 78 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 4: on stage. But Carlin was like, I don't know what 79 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 4: indecent or means exactly, So I'm going to come up 80 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 4: with a list of words you can never say on television, 81 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 4: right and those words I'm gonna say right now. This 82 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 4: is in order. It's shit, piss, fuck, hunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, 83 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 4: and tits. So that is that was the original bit 84 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 4: of his. And he later was like, it's weird that 85 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 4: I put motherfucker in there because I already said fuck earlier, 86 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 4: which is a version of it. But he just liked 87 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 4: the rhythm of it, and I just need to say 88 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 4: this because it's very important to the whole story. George 89 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 4: Carlin didn't want to be a comedian, George Carlin wanted 90 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 4: to be a famous actor, movie star, and his idol 91 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 4: was a guy named Danny Kay. And Danny Kay was 92 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 4: known for these very twisty songs and speeches where he 93 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 4: would have high level of verbal acuity. 94 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Just to interject real quick, I'm so glad 95 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: you mentioned Danny k Wayne because ahead he is one 96 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: of the actors I loved growing up, especially in the 97 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: original version of Walter Mitty, so or totally familiar with 98 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: that turn of phrase. So that that was Carlin's sort 99 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: of north star. 100 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 4: For a while, it was his north star until he 101 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 4: realized that he hated acting for kind of the reasons 102 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 4: that we spoke about earlier. That he was just he 103 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 4: didn't like authority, you know, like if there's a director 104 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 4: on the sad time him to stand here and say this, 105 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 4: he's not gonna like that. He didn't realize it at 106 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,119 Speaker 4: the time. He was like, Oh, I'd rather just write 107 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 4: and say my own stuff, you know, and be completely 108 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 4: free of Even when he hosted Saturday Night Live, he 109 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 4: said to Lord Michael's, I don't want to be an 110 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 4: they sketches, I don't want to rehearse these things can 111 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 4: I just do my comedy and you know, and bring 112 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 4: my brain and my mouth and that'll be good. That'll 113 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 4: be good. And he's the first host of the first 114 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 4: Saturday Night Live in you know whatever nineteen seventy five. 115 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: I believe. 116 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 5: So. 117 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 4: Anyway, so that's that ended his Danny cadream. But this bit, 118 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 4: the shit piss, fuck, hunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and tits has 119 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 4: a certain Gilbert and Sullivan rhythm to it that he loved, 120 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 4: and that was part of the bit. That's what made 121 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 4: that as well as these words. So anyway, he did 122 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 4: this bit on an album called Class Clown, came out 123 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 4: in nineteen seventy two. The next year he does another 124 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 4: album called Occupation Fool, and he expands on it and 125 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 4: he calls it the filthy words. This is what happens. 126 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 4: There's a public radio station or excuse me, not public 127 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 4: at PACIFICA. What is that? How would you describe PACIFICA 128 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 4: that network college? 129 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they're certainly not like a top forty like right, 130 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: They're kind of alternative for their day, you know. 131 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 4: Right, progress I would say, progressive radio station. There we 132 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 4: go in New York again, in New York, you know, 133 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 4: the vanguard of progressivism WBAI, and they're doing a whole 134 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 4: thing about just language and the hypocrisy of language, and 135 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 4: where's this thing? And so they play filthy Words, which 136 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 4: is kind of an expanse. He talks about shit a lot, 137 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 4: shit faced, what is a you know, shit kicker and 138 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 4: all of that. Some guy named I came John Douglas. 139 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: I just I don't remember that, but I wrote it down. 140 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 4: He hears it in his car with his fifteen year 141 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 4: old son. Again, we're going to go back to youth, 142 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 4: remember that statute youth and others, And he called this 143 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 4: is in the middle of the afternoon. They play it 144 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 4: and WBAI says, look, this might be offensive, but I 145 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 4: just he's just talking about words. He's just using words 146 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 4: to talk about words and our language. So he caused 147 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 4: the FCC lodge is a complaint. The FCC says, you're 148 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 4: going to get a mark on your record. I think 149 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 4: some people said it was one hundred dollars fine, other 150 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 4: people said no, I'm not sure. And basically WBAI PACIFICA 151 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 4: Radio says I'm going to sue the FCC and say 152 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 4: this is unconstitutional because of the First Amendment. For playing this. 153 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 4: George Carlin Bitt on the air at two o'clock on 154 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 4: a Tuesday afternoon in nineteen seventy three. 155 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: Any questions, I think we're with you so far, but 156 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: this sounds like sounds like it's about to get quickly 157 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: out of control. 158 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 6: Right. 159 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 4: Guess what. The US Court of Appeals in Washington, DC. 160 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,599 Speaker 4: You may be familiar with that court. Brett Kavanaugh was 161 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 4: just on that court. Merrik Garland is on that court 162 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 4: that's considered the highest up to the right below the 163 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 4: Supreme Court, the penultimate court. Right, Yeah, they agree with PACIFICA. 164 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 4: They were like, yeah, this is this is too broad 165 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 4: a definition what's indecent or obscene? And we're going to 166 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 4: strike down this fine or this mark on your record. 167 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 4: So guess what. They bring it to the Supreme Court, 168 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 4: and in a five to four decision, this is George Carlin, 169 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 4: a ninth grade dropout, having his words read in the 170 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 4: Supreme Court. Wow about whether they think these words are 171 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 4: indecent or obscene or what the difference between indecent or 172 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 4: obscene is. 173 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: And guess what. 174 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 4: The Court, in a very narrow five to four decisions 175 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 4: says that during the daytime hours, the FCC does have 176 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 4: the right to say you can't play anything that would 177 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 4: be considered obscene or indecent, but after ten. 178 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: O'clock you can't. Yeah, I think the term is safe harbor, 179 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: I believe is the term they are. Yes, that is right. 180 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 4: I love the research you guys are doing. So that's 181 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 4: kind of what I happened. And I just carl into 182 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 4: the day he died. He said he always had a 183 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 4: perverse pride in the fact that somewhere in Supreme Court 184 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 4: like case law as a precedent that his stupid routine 185 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 4: he did on an album called you know class, excuse me, 186 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 4: occupation fool is part of the history, the legal history 187 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 4: of the United States. 188 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 3: Well, let's hear a quick moment of Carlin himself talking 189 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 3: about how he feels about words in some of this 190 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: love it. 191 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 6: There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of those words 192 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 6: in and of themselves. They're only words. It's the context 193 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 6: that counts. 194 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: It's the user. 195 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 6: It's the intention behind the words that makes them good 196 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 6: or bad. The words are completely neutral. The words are innocent. 197 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 6: I get tired of people talking about bad words and 198 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 6: bad language. 199 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: Bullshit. 200 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 6: It's the context that makes them good or bad, but 201 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 6: context that makes them good. 202 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: There we do also want to mention we would be 203 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: remiss if we skipped this part. Yeah, not only not 204 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: only is Carlin's or excerpts of Carlin's performance and his 205 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: writing part of Supreme Court case law, but he was 206 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: quoted alongside Shakespeare and passages from the Bible, I think 207 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: the Bible. In the Bible, they mentioned the line. They 208 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: were like, oh, is this motherfucker stuff so bad? Because 209 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: the Bible says he who pisseth against the wall, So 210 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: where's the line? And then they also mentioned Shakespeare saying 211 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: pissing conduits. So this became an argument and started as 212 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: this again sort of hypocritical argument about decency in the 213 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: hearts and minds of the innocent and unspoiled, but it 214 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: quickly became a much more I think, a much more 215 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: intelligent argument about the role of language and literature. And 216 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: you know what, good on Carlin. Yeah, earned it, no doubt. 217 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: And I'm still deciding whether or not we can even 218 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 3: release this episode fully uncensored. This is a family show 219 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: technically just FYI, but I think this is valuable to 220 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 3: the point of like, you can't censor it, and it almost. 221 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: Do is it would be hypocritical of us. 222 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: It would be hilariously hypocritical. 223 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 4: This is like we're caught in a loop here. We 224 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 4: are a lot to talk about these words. Now we're 225 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 4: going to be setser. No, it's true because Carlin couldn't 226 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,599 Speaker 4: say these words when he did The Tonight Shoe or 227 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 4: talk about it that way. But when he did Chris 228 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 4: Rock's HBO Joe, he was able to say the words. 229 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 4: So it is interesting. I mean, it's still you wouldn't 230 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 4: want to say these words in front of a kid. 231 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: I guess right. 232 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: It depends on the kid. Yeah. 233 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, kids have really tough, tough constitutions. 234 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 3: My nine year old, who's actually here right now, has 235 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 3: been like giving us the devil horns this whole time. 236 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh man, I don't even know 237 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: where do we go from here? So yeah, what's next? 238 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 4: Well, the Supreme Court case was in nineteen seventy eight, 239 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 4: but really what happened in nineteen seventy five changed everything, 240 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 4: and that's when HBO started doing these hour specials. They 241 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 4: were called eventually called on Location and the first one 242 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 4: was done by Robert Klein at a school in the Northeast, 243 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 4: and he's a very clean comedian, but even in that 244 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 4: specially goes, all right, I have total freedom to say anything. 245 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: Chit. 246 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 4: You know, he just said, just to say the words. 247 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 4: But then the next in nineteen seventy seven, Carlin does 248 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 4: and if you can find this, this would be amazing. 249 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 4: His first of fourteen HBO specials. And before the special begins, 250 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 4: they have a newscaster talking about that this there's gonna 251 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 4: be some language on here that you're not used to 252 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 4: hearing on television. And then this gets even crazier. In 253 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 4: the middle of an HBO special, they stopped the special 254 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 4: and run a disclaimer on with the screen saying, the 255 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 4: next portion of this comedy act will contain language that 256 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 4: might be unsuitable for children, please, and then cuts back 257 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 4: to Carlin at usc just to bring it all full 258 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 4: circle at Beauvart Auditorium and then talks about you know, 259 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 4: these this language and these words, and he sort of 260 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 4: became famous for this in a way where the language 261 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 4: and the arrests of Lenny Bruce sort of destroyed Lenny 262 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 4: Bruce in a way. It did make him famous, but 263 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 4: he became so consumed with it, and if you really 264 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 4: listen to his act at the end, a lot of 265 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 4: times he would just read court transcripts. Was his act. 266 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: Wow, he was obsessed? 267 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 4: Huh yes, yes, very much so. And you know, I 268 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 4: don't know how much of the drugs were making them 269 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 4: paranoid or whatever, but it's like, it's very it's it's 270 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 4: really sad to listen to him just go on and 271 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 4: on about it. And in a way, it elevated Carlin's career. 272 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 4: So in a short period of time from let's say 273 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 4: sixty five, I guess seventy fives, like in those ten 274 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 4: years have started to change. And then once we got 275 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 4: those HBO specials, suddenly there's Red Fox doing an HBO 276 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 4: special where you know, he's like, I don't want to 277 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 4: repeat the language, but it's you know, his graphic adult entertainment. 278 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 4: So and that continues to this day. Although I will 279 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 4: say this, I do feel like there's a different kind 280 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 4: of censorship going on now in comedy a little bit. 281 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 4: And Carlin talked about it at the end that he 282 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 4: wouldn't play colleges, and I know Seinfeld won't and I 283 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 4: know Chris Rock because people are so sensitive about hearing 284 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 4: something that might be offensive, like offensive is the new 285 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: and decent in our society. Again, no one's gonna get arrested, 286 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 4: but you might get shamed or lose a job because 287 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 4: of it. 288 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: So what would be an example of that? 289 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 3: What do you mean an example Seinfeld bits or like 290 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 3: somebody being you know, I mean, I can think of 291 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 3: one off the top. And this is a really extreme 292 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 3: example by that guy Milo Yanopolis, who is a alt 293 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: right kind of looty tune like you can, you can 294 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 3: disagree with what he has to say, but technically, you know, 295 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 3: you would like to have him have the right to 296 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: say it. 297 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: But he's also not doing comedy. 298 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: No, he's not doing comedy, but. 299 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: Doing comedy, but he was he was banned from all 300 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: these college campuses. 301 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: And this is not me saying good on my law. 302 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 3: I'm just saying we're talking about the First Amendment, and 303 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 3: there are lines between like, you know, being indecent and 304 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: and uh, you know, being a supporter of violence. So 305 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 3: the whole deal with like indecency is like or freedom 306 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 3: of speech is like you can say what you want 307 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 3: as long as you're not actively hurting something. 308 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: But freedom of speech is also not freedom from consequences. 309 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: No, that's also true. 310 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 3: But I'm just wondering, like this whole PC police thing, 311 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 3: I think that's why I brought up this extreme example, 312 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: because he is an extreme example of not being PC. 313 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: And I don't think this is exclusively a discussion about comedy. 314 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 3: This is about speech. 315 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 4: So I'm just yes, it is right, Yes it is 316 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 4: and I look, I agree, I look, I'm listening very 317 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 4: carefully to what you're saying, and I agree with you, 318 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 4: and I don't. I'm not that familiar with Milo's stuff 319 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 4: other than being its in his fan club, but I 320 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 4: know a lot. No, but I do think it's interesting 321 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 4: that Carlin and Seinfeld and Chris Rock won't play colleges 322 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 4: because of how offensive might some people might find what they're. 323 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: Saying, which is strange. 324 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 4: It's not strange because you can really get I don't 325 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 4: want to use the word bullied, but you can really 326 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 4: get publicly shamed online in a big way if you know, 327 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 4: if people think what you're saying is offensive. And again, 328 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 4: I you know, this doesn't affect me personally, but as 329 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 4: a somebody who's like interested in the history of comedy, 330 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 4: I feel like the walls are narrowing, as opposed to 331 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 4: for so long in my life they just kept broadening. 332 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 4: And it used to be like if you made fun 333 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 4: of Catholics or something like that, and they get upset. 334 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 4: You're like, well f them if they can't take a joke. 335 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 4: But that doesn't exist anymore for some people who feel 336 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 4: like you can't make fun of a marginalized community. That's 337 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 4: a euphemism. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. 338 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 4: So it's like any any of that. So it's I know, 339 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 4: this is off the track a little bit. 340 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: I don't even know if you want to not at all, 341 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: not at all, not at all. 342 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 4: But I do think it is interesting that we've become 343 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 4: we've sort of shrunk back to a much more like 344 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,719 Speaker 4: be careful, walking on eggshells comedy around certain subjects that 345 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 4: didn't exist when I was a kid. And I know 346 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 4: Carlin said something phenomenal about it. He said that political 347 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 4: correctness is and I'm paraphrasing here and sipid because it 348 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 4: comes under the guise of tolerance. Is like, that's you're 349 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 4: under the guys of hey, we're just trying to make 350 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 4: it all better for everyone. But basically what you're doing, 351 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 4: you're just saying you can't say. 352 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 2: That, right. 353 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: He hated that it's the opposite of comedy, right, it's 354 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: the opposite of what stand up. 355 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 4: Comedy, the opposite of free speech. Yeah, more importantly, Yeah, 356 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 4: but he knew, you know, it was interesting that he 357 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 4: had that that side. He saw it coming, and he 358 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 4: really railed against it in a big way. 359 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: Do you see this trend? You know, if we've walked 360 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: through some of the histories, so let's let's walk toward 361 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: the future. Do you see this trend escalating or do 362 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: you think it's just another cyclical thing that will fall away. 363 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: I guess what I'm asking is, do we have some 364 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: more Supreme Court cases in the future if we had 365 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: to guess that. 366 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 4: Would I don't think so, because I don't think it's 367 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 4: about the I don't think any government is going in 368 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 4: I don't to tell you the truth, I don't know. 369 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 4: It all depends on hate speech, is basically. What it 370 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 4: comes down to is whether you think hate speech is 371 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 4: something that should exist or that is completely protected by 372 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 4: the First Amendment. So and you know, I know you're 373 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 4: not allowed to incite somebody, Okay, these words are so 374 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 4: you know, amorphous or but I know you're not allowed 375 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 4: to do that. So so I don't think this is 376 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 4: this is more about you know, vigilante vigilanteism in each control, 377 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 4: you know, in the same way Catholics used to do 378 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 4: it in the you know, in the forties. 379 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 3: It's such a slippery slope to because what about like 380 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,239 Speaker 3: things like dog whistle politics, where you have these uh, 381 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 3: potentially racist speakers that aren't outright saying exactly, kill kill 382 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 3: this group of people or hurt this group of people, 383 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 3: but they're using these kind of coded words that speak 384 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 3: to their base or what have you, and then that's interpreted. 385 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 3: But you know, from a legal standpoint, you can't say, oh, 386 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: he said to do this, because it's all in the subtext. 387 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: Again, what is insights? 388 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it's you know, that's the whole thought 389 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 3: police thing where it's like, once you start banning words 390 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 3: like Carlin's words, you potentially could ban any word. 391 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 2: So it's dangerous territory. But it's also like, where does 392 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 2: that leave us? 393 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: I strongly feel like we should not bleep this episode. 394 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, we just gonna have to put a really strongly 395 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 3: worded sorry. 396 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 4: I didn't know why did you make me say those? 397 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 3: Because we thought it'd be funny if you them, And 398 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 3: then he said, like, do your homework. But now we 399 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 3: were pretty much from the start not going to yeah. 400 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: And also you nailed the cadence. 401 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: Oh, you gotta have the cadence. 402 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: You can't just read the seven words in some sort. 403 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 4: Of like you have to Danny kay it up a 404 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 4: little bit. 405 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: That's true. Well, this this has been illuminating, and I 406 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: like that we're ending on a question. We're and the 407 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: thing about this story is that it's not over now. 408 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: This conversation, this conflict, this controversy continues of far past 409 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: the fifties and the late forties into the future, into 410 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: the new millennium. 411 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: But that's kind of what I was saying at the 412 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: top of the show, where it's like, you know, comedy 413 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 3: and this kind of thing that you that you know, 414 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 3: has this the guist of like, oh, this is entertainment, 415 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 3: this is light stuff, this is just to kind of 416 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 3: pass the time. Yet we're talking about it in terms 417 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: of like race, riots and the use of language to like, yeah, 418 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 3: physically hurt people and incite, you know, these kind of 419 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 3: crazy events that can happen and that we're seeing happen 420 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 3: in the news, and we're. 421 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: Talking about the freedom of thought in a very real way. 422 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 4: And the interesting thing is this is the first Amendment 423 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 4: to the Constitution, Like think they would have no idea 424 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 4: back then, But how powerful an idea that the government 425 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 4: shall make no laws infringing on freedom of speech? Like 426 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 4: that is insane that that's still I just I love 427 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 4: those guys, crazy white slave owner. Okay, can I do 428 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 4: a little button for the whole episode please? You might 429 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 4: find interesting or it's not, who knows. But when I 430 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 4: was on Curb Your Enthusiasm, I played a character named 431 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 4: Dean Weinstock And the name Weinstock was named after a 432 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 4: comedian named Lotus Weinstock who has since passed away. But 433 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 4: Lotus Weinstock, and you can look her up, was Lenny 434 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 4: Bruce's last girlfriend. Full circle, Full Sir, I knew Lotus too. 435 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 4: I knew her. I knew I did you with her? 436 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: Holy Smooth? I know, I know, you know what This 437 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: is a This is a rare moment, I think for 438 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: my co host and I because we stopped for a 439 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: second and just stared at each other. Because that that 440 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: is a perfect ending. We've got to say that, I 441 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: think ridiculous historians listening now, If you enjoyed this episode 442 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: a fraction as much as we enjoyed this interview, then, 443 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: by god, we've we've done something right. 444 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, seriously, And I think if you want more of this, 445 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 3: you should check out Wayne's new podcast, which goes even deeper. 446 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 2: Into the history of stand up. 447 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: Oh it's good. 448 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: It's really really good, and it's out there. Now. 449 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 3: What are you guys about two episodes deep? It's it's 450 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 3: it's like a mini series, right. 451 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 4: It's six episodes and we're five in so we're just 452 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 4: about done just about the first season, and then we 453 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 4: might do deep dives in the second season. But you know, 454 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 4: we'll see. 455 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 2: That's awesome. 456 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: We'd love to hear. 457 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 3: I'm also envious of a show that has a clock 458 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 3: on it. We just have to do the show forever 459 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 3: until we die. 460 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: It's sort of a Sissophian endeavor. 461 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: Oh but thank you, by the way, this is going 462 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 3: to be a two parter because this has been so 463 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 3: much fun and we already had like a nice even 464 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 3: divide down the middle between Lenny and uh and George 465 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 3: and this has just been a delight. 466 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 2: Man. 467 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on, and we really 468 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 3: appreciate you diving deep with. 469 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 4: Us, Noel and Ben. I gotta say it was a 470 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 4: delight on the on this end as well. And I'm 471 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 4: just glad that the Danny K that we gave Danny 472 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 4: Kay his due. It was quite quite a comedian and 473 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 4: a big, big influence on George Garland. 474 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: And maybe, you know, maybe we can just throw a 475 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: Danny K clip somewhere in this episode so you can 476 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: hear the word clay. 477 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 4: I mean he's loaded, loaded with patter songs in there, 478 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 4: you know. 479 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, everything is take it boo, take it 480 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 5: te boo, take it ty boo. 481 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: Everything is tack it ti boo. 482 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 5: Once up you'd dated to you did could be snaketty poo, 483 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 5: snaketty poo, snaket ty poo with the sky so blinkety blo. 484 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 5: It callses one to say blessed mankind, including my attack. 485 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm inclined. The feeling is a jolly weller. It's absolutely so. 486 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: There you have it, folks, thank you so much for 487 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: tuning in. Thanks to our super producer Paul, Thanks to 488 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: our superproducer Casey. 489 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: And thanks to Alex Williams who composed our theme. 490 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 3: Thanks to our research folk who we love dearly, Eves 491 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 3: Jeffcoat and Christopher Hasiotis, and most importantly, thank you Ben 492 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 3: and Thank you Wayne. It has been the best. 493 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: Thank you Noel, and thank you very much. Wayne. We 494 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: are not blowing smoke about the history of stand up 495 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: Go check out the show. I mean you will. Look. 496 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: I think I said it earlier. I'm officially going to 497 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: be insufferable at house parties. 498 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: You're already pretty insufferable at house parties, Ben. 499 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: That's what you know. That's why I only party in 500 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: the yard. 501 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: You're gonna take you to the next level. 502 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to go inside. 503 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 2: So see you next time, folks chow. 504 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartratedio app, Apple Podcasts, 505 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.