Speaker 1: Nothing about them kids. I want to hear about marriage.
Speaker 1: I know it won't be like this forever, but how
Speaker 1: did you find time to reconnect and how do you
Speaker 1: prioritize yourselves.
Speaker 2: We're in a space now to where we know the
Speaker 2: importance of not just being partners in business, not just
Speaker 2: being business owners, but understanding that if we don't work,
Speaker 2: nothing else is going to work.
Speaker 3: The same way we schedule. To prioritize everything else, you
Speaker 3: have to prioritize your relationship as well. Often, especially if
Speaker 3: you've been together as long as we have twenty one years,
Speaker 3: you have to reneet one another.
Speaker 1: Hey, hey va fam, welcome back to Brown Ambition. I
Speaker 1: could not be more excited about today's episode. We have
Speaker 1: Real Estate Royalty soon to be Podcasts Royalty in the
Speaker 1: house with us, say welcome, welcome to Married to real
Speaker 1: Estate themselves. We have Egypt Sharad and Mike Jackson from
Speaker 1: Married to Real Estate HGTVS own either Different Mike have
Speaker 1: been together for twenty one years Oh my days. Uh
Speaker 1: and they are top on top of being the stars
Speaker 1: of HGTV's top rated show Married to Real Estate, which
Speaker 1: drew over nineteen million No big deal, nineteen million. Real
Speaker 1: viewers in its third debut season. Now they have their
Speaker 1: fourth season. Congratulations, Like Listen, one season is all people
Speaker 1: can usually hope for. And it feels like, especially people
Speaker 1: who look like us, getting a season on a prominent network,
Speaker 1: like they'll be looking for reasons to cancel anything. I
Speaker 1: feel like this days. You're also crown the winners of
Speaker 1: season three of HGTV's flagship competition design show Rock the Block.
Speaker 1: And you have a successful, brand new podcast which is
Speaker 1: a little bit different. But haven't been married for twenty
Speaker 1: one years. I know you'll have gems on Gems on
Speaker 1: Gems to offer so Ba fam You got to check
Speaker 1: out their podcast Marriage and Money. As parents have three daughters,
Speaker 1: this couple is at the forefront of authentic messaging about
Speaker 1: generational wealth and life planning. In other words, you're King
Speaker 1: and Queen Brown and mission welcome.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm Queen.
Speaker 1: It's the I agree. Those braids are everything.
Speaker 3: You know, so many grades were loop for me a
Speaker 3: couple of months ago. I had never, all of my
Speaker 3: forty something years, been able to sit still for braid
Speaker 3: because you know how long they take. But honestly, I
Speaker 3: don't see all this, But but I'm like in this
Speaker 3: phase of my life where it's got to just be
Speaker 3: easy and care free. So I can sit my tail
Speaker 3: still for a good seven hours. She can put these
Speaker 3: in and honestly, these are staying like two three months.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it too, and I'm getting a lot of
Speaker 3: compliments on it. Folks say it makes me look younger, and.
Speaker 1: You can do an updo. It can be very regal.
Speaker 1: If it's good enough for Michelle Obama, I'm like done,
Speaker 1: like she has not.
Speaker 3: This is start I created for myself. Watch this. I
Speaker 3: did this on what cover? It was? Show magazine.
Speaker 2: Audio.
Speaker 3: Don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 1: We'll be on video, don't you worry. Be a fan
Speaker 1: on YouTube. Look it's zoom in this.
Speaker 3: Okay, isn't that sex? I love this.
Speaker 1: If you like it, I love it.
Speaker 2: I showed her how to do that.
Speaker 3: Did you so?
Speaker 1: Tell me about your haircare routine, mister Mike.
Speaker 3: Go for it?
Speaker 2: Well, so, all right, So it's funny that you say
Speaker 2: that I used to be a bother. Okay, Oh really,
Speaker 2: My cousin's here every now and then, and Uncle Mark's
Speaker 2: here on the show. You know, so I go there.
Speaker 2: Don't play, don't play play routine.
Speaker 3: That's all she asked.
Speaker 1: Is it just there? Do you like add a little
Speaker 1: thumb sum This is.
Speaker 3: My opportunity to just kind of point out as women,
Speaker 3: how much we have to do to get ready, and
Speaker 3: it's not right. We have to start like to days
Speaker 3: ahead of time, day shower, motion and shade and they're
Speaker 3: out the door. And then want to know why we're
Speaker 3: taking this so long?
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty years of marriage, you still ask her why
Speaker 1: she's taking so long. I don't three daughters, so what
Speaker 1: are their agentes? Let's see age.
Speaker 2: Range twenty three, thirteen and six.
Speaker 1: Stop you're talking about I'm tired. Well, no, that's a
Speaker 1: huge aig range.
Speaker 3: I asked myself a few times if the decision should
Speaker 3: have been to have them all within a window and
Speaker 3: be done.
Speaker 1: Because each time you got comfortable enough like you forgot
Speaker 1: probably how and then you went and did it again.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm afraid it's going to happen.
Speaker 3: Only thing I regretted because after the last one, I
Speaker 3: was forty two when I had her, So after the
Speaker 3: last one, I didn't have that snapback that I had
Speaker 3: when I had on middle big, nothing, step fast, nothing
Speaker 3: at all. It didn't it didn't happy for me. I
Speaker 3: was waiting, So that would be my only regret for
Speaker 3: what I do love is they each had their own time.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? They really had right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: There is to just be the star.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. You know what's interesting about that gap is
Speaker 2: that they each have received different parents, right, because we've
Speaker 2: become people throughout the stages, and each one you learn
Speaker 2: more through each child. So you know, Harper is the
Speaker 2: youngest one. She's sick, she she has some amazing parents.
Speaker 1: She's living her best life. I know, Harper. She's one
Speaker 1: of those kids to eat sushi, isn't she now? Okay?
Speaker 2: And they've got the parents that will working it out,
Speaker 2: trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Wait, what's the what's the eldest called?
Speaker 2: Simone is the oldest?
Speaker 1: Oh, poor Simone. I know how Simone feels. When I
Speaker 1: went to college, my little brother was a king. He
Speaker 1: had a he had a flat screen TV. He got that,
Speaker 1: he got the hand me down king bed. Meanwhile, I
Speaker 1: slept on a futon all through high school, folded up
Speaker 1: because there wasn't enough space. Anyway, Simone, I see you.
Speaker 3: Though. She's actually graduated college magna cum claude. And in
Speaker 3: the fashion industry, which was her dream. So she has
Speaker 3: no complaints. But the only time to take from hers
Speaker 3: when is due, uh, where where she wants where she
Speaker 3: wants some money for something she wants to travel, you know.
Speaker 3: Otherwise it's like I don't think I'm coming home for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: I have a life now, but that's.
Speaker 1: The dream, right, Like you're sort of living my ambition
Speaker 1: as a mother. Right, it's to create that generational wealth,
Speaker 1: and that's what it can look like. It's no stress
Speaker 1: about rent. How do you guys balance that? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know much about your upbringing, but well, how
Speaker 1: do you think about your children's relationship to money and
Speaker 1: what you want to offer them and you know, still
Speaker 1: make sure that they're well rounded and confend for themselves.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll say this, you know, becomes a tug of war.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't let them just have any everything
Speaker 2: they want. However, there are points where they were like, okay,
Speaker 2: well I'll just play you against each other. I won't
Speaker 2: that mom knowing dad no, and I kind of will
Speaker 2: get what I want, right, But we are instilling in
Speaker 2: them that it's not just money, money, money money, It's
Speaker 2: about earning it's about learning, it's about understanding. It's a tool,
Speaker 2: not just something that's willy nilly. You go work, you know,
Speaker 2: go spending however you want to work for you.
Speaker 3: I mean what I'll say, Mandy. When I grew up,
Speaker 3: my parents and my grandparents' generation believe in hard work.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: It was sort of like, you know, you work hard
Speaker 3: and you'll have the things, but you got to put
Speaker 3: in your years and you got to pay your dues.
Speaker 3: And you know, at first, you know, our thought is
Speaker 3: to pass that down. But I actually stand here saying
Speaker 3: the antithesis of it, instead of working hard, works smart.
Speaker 3: You should not take thirty years to do what we
Speaker 3: can do in thirty days. Now, you know, there's a
Speaker 3: lot more information being shared out there, wisdom knowledge. This generation,
Speaker 3: we've had the opportunity to plan forward for our kids.
Speaker 3: This generation, for our family is going to be the
Speaker 3: first generation of trust fund babies. I didn't have to
Speaker 3: you know what many of us didn't have. We didn't
Speaker 3: even know what that was. We wouldn't even trust you
Speaker 3: with our funds.
Speaker 1: But the trust fund was under the mattress. Good luck,
Speaker 1: hope something's left.
Speaker 3: You learn more, you know better, do better, and but
Speaker 3: still we're not raising spoiled, rotten kids. We want them
Speaker 3: to still understand the value of heartwork, know how to
Speaker 3: do for themselves. But more more importantly, the difference now
Speaker 3: is teaching them what they'll never learn in school. You know,
Speaker 3: how to make your money work for them and make
Speaker 3: it last for generation.
Speaker 1: Right, enough about them kids, I want to hear about marriage.
Speaker 1: Kids get all the attention. I'm you know, I have
Speaker 1: a five year old and a two year old, and ooh,
Speaker 1: I am at that stage where it's like the marriage
Speaker 1: is like where I mean, it's so hard at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, the way that we are physically exhausted.
Speaker 1: And I live in New York. I'm from Georgia. My
Speaker 1: family is all over the country. I don't have a
Speaker 1: family village. I have neighbors that I have worked so
Speaker 1: hard to I live in the suburbs, and during the pandemic,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna get to know everybody because
Speaker 1: I need help, and those relationships have served me so well.
Speaker 1: But still, you know, I'm running a couple of businesses.
Speaker 1: My husband works in the city, and at the end
Speaker 1: of the night, it's just like you good, you you
Speaker 1: you survive and I'll see you in the morning for
Speaker 1: like five minutes. I know it won't be like this forever.
Speaker 1: But did y'all experience times like that throughout your marriage?
Speaker 1: And like, how did you find time to reconnect? And
Speaker 1: how do you prioritize yourselves?
Speaker 3: First thing I'll say is, so you said you're from
Speaker 3: Georgia and you live in New York.
Speaker 1: No, everyone, everyone went to Atlanta. I got to get
Speaker 1: back there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, passing ships in the night like roommates.
Speaker 2: Didn't we we've been there.
Speaker 1: Made Oh yeah, I'm in that stage. That one I like.
Speaker 2: But one of the things that we, you know, pride
Speaker 2: ourselves on is we're in a space now to where
Speaker 2: we know the importance of it not just being partners
Speaker 2: in business, not just being business owners, but understanding that
Speaker 2: if we don't work, nothing else is gonna work. Right,
Speaker 2: you can do all of this and then you never
Speaker 2: see each other. And that goes outside of an order, right,
Speaker 2: But those that may be Christian based and order the
Speaker 2: aligned God, the man, the wife, the family, et cetera.
Speaker 2: So we continue to date continuously. You know, if it's
Speaker 2: not night, it's gonna be days. If it's not days,
Speaker 2: it gonna be an hour. We continue to get our
Speaker 2: time as husband and wife, boyfriend and girlfriend to make
Speaker 2: sure everything else flows through it. Don't don't, don't advise
Speaker 2: you many make sure y'all don't get so lost in
Speaker 2: the work that you no longer like each other. Okay,
Speaker 2: and that's one of the things we make that we.
Speaker 1: No longer like each other. Like all the time, we
Speaker 1: cannot like each other. Sometimes you got to give me
Speaker 1: something at least an hour day.
Speaker 3: But the reality is, I think where marriages start to suffer,
Speaker 3: right is where the kids become all the priority. Business
Speaker 3: becomes a priority. Everybody else comes first, and you have
Speaker 3: to meet up in big for a little rat ta
Speaker 3: tech you happen to.
Speaker 1: If you're lucky and I haven't put my bonnet on you,
Speaker 1: you have to the same way we schedule to prioritize
Speaker 1: everything else.
Speaker 3: You have to prioritize your relationship as well. Often, especially
Speaker 3: if you've been together as long as we have twenty
Speaker 3: one years, you have to re meet one another something
Speaker 3: the man that I'm married.
Speaker 1: Sorry, my Siri really liked what you said and wanted
Speaker 1: to chime in. Something went wrong, try again. That's pretty
Speaker 1: apt for my situation. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you just you know, re meeet one another.
Speaker 3: You know, we have a point in I'm married where
Speaker 3: we talked about divorce. This was what was that about
Speaker 3: seven years ago? Eight years ago? Because you had it backwards.
Speaker 3: You know, we were we were just building businesses. You know,
Speaker 3: I was at a stage where I wanted another baby.
Speaker 3: You didn't necessarily want another baby, so you know, we
Speaker 3: had different priorities. We didn't have the support that we
Speaker 3: put in place now, and it was just it was
Speaker 3: a scary rod. I also, you know, was was being
Speaker 3: a little selfish, I'm to be honest with you, because
Speaker 3: it was I was building, building, building, building, not thinking
Speaker 3: that if I'm free to build, who's watching the baby?
Speaker 3: You know, he's watching the trying to build too. And
Speaker 3: so you know, so we went to therapy for a
Speaker 3: period of time and therapist essentially kicked us out of
Speaker 3: her office.
Speaker 1: Why because she was like yellow Fryan, get out of here.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, just opposite. She was like, y'all do
Speaker 3: not belong together. You're the worst. But because we didn't
Speaker 3: talk at home about our rights, a fear of offending
Speaker 3: the other person, so they don't want to get the therapy.
Speaker 3: You just want to let it all out and let
Speaker 3: it all out. And she's like, oh my god, you
Speaker 3: don't belong together. And I looked at her. I was like,
Speaker 3: you don't belong.
Speaker 2: In this business.
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to say that, Jesus.
Speaker 3: But it worked. It worked actually because we realize, like,
Speaker 3: you can't tell us that we're fighting for that, and right, yeah,
Speaker 3: we force our.
Speaker 2: Relationship, you know. In addition to that, I would say, also,
Speaker 2: you know, with regard to how do we make it
Speaker 2: all work, there's no competition here, right. We lean into
Speaker 2: each other's strengths. And you know, I was at home
Speaker 2: with the kids at times, and I didn't mind that. However,
Speaker 2: there may be times where certain men feel uncomfortable, they
Speaker 2: feel less of a man because they're like, I feel
Speaker 2: I need to be making more money, or I should
Speaker 2: be the bread woman at this point in my life. However,
Speaker 2: or the roles may change, and she's like, I didn't
Speaker 2: sign up to be a stay at home mom. We
Speaker 2: understand that this works for us, right, It doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what society says or what any relationship book may say.
Speaker 2: This works for us. There's no competition, there's no egos.
Speaker 2: We know each other's strengths. When I'm weak, she strong,
Speaker 2: and vice versa, and we and we owned that, we
Speaker 2: own it for our really no.
Speaker 1: True, I'm really I just, first of all, I want
Speaker 1: to say thank you so much. I feel like conversations
Speaker 1: like this for someone like me who's who wants to
Speaker 1: have a lasting relationship and marriage, not because I'm sold
Speaker 1: on the fantasy of it, but because I genuinely I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm a journalist by trade. I've I'm writing a book
Speaker 1: right now called Brown Ambition. I know what happens to
Speaker 1: kids who grow up in an environment where they see
Speaker 1: examples of good relationships. You know, I won't even put
Speaker 1: like the marriage label on it. So I'm striving for that.
Speaker 1: I'm striving to raise my kids in that kind of environment.
Speaker 1: But with that does come these moments. And I'm just
Speaker 1: really grateful to y'all for going there. Hey, ba, fam,
Speaker 1: we got to take a quick break, pay some bills,
Speaker 1: and we'll be right back. Welcome back, bea fam. Let's
Speaker 1: get back to the show. I think Michelle Obama like
Speaker 1: she broke the internet when she talked about the ten
Speaker 1: years you gotta you didn't even like Barack and Tabatha
Speaker 1: Brown and her husband. It's his name Chance. I think,
Speaker 1: so I just more of this, please not because I
Speaker 1: think it's important to like, for the I don't know,
Speaker 1: not to make it like a tabloidy type thing like ooh,
Speaker 1: did you know? But genuinely, how did you work through it?
Speaker 1: And what really resonated with me is I'm listening to
Speaker 1: y'all is the lack of saying what's on our minds,
Speaker 1: to not offend, to not create conflict. And one of
Speaker 1: the hardest challenges has been to trust each other with
Speaker 1: conflict and to realize that the that not telling the
Speaker 1: truth is like saying that you don't trust me with
Speaker 1: your truth, and that's that's like an unhealthy, you know,
Speaker 1: state of your relationship. And that's been a huge game changer.
Speaker 1: We want you know, it's been a really tough year
Speaker 1: and I feel like when that clicked and we could
Speaker 1: be more honest, Yeah, it just I felt that deeply.
Speaker 2: Thank you God to open up Pandora's box just with
Speaker 2: that statement, because there's so much to unpacking that. So,
Speaker 2: for instance, one of the things in relationships in general,
Speaker 2: not just you know, platonic or you know, marriages, et cetera,
Speaker 2: but when someone is speaking, how are they speaking to you?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Are they speaking with you? Are they speaking at you?
Speaker 2: Are they speaking to you? It's not what you say,
Speaker 2: it's how you say it. A lot in relationships that
Speaker 2: can deter someone from ever opening up again. And you know,
Speaker 2: on the flip side, you hear a lot of men
Speaker 2: say for the most part, is that they'll clam up,
Speaker 2: they'll shell up because the moment I did try to
Speaker 2: open up to you, you know, you be littered me
Speaker 2: or you said something that I didn't like. It just
Speaker 2: it was wrong. You approached it wrong. So now they
Speaker 2: just never opened up and I can go for both,
Speaker 2: go both ways, right. So when relationships again, I think
Speaker 2: one of the big things is not just what you say,
Speaker 2: but how you say it as well.
Speaker 3: And I'll also add to that that you know when
Speaker 3: you are significant other stops communicating and stops talking is
Speaker 3: when you're in trouble. And even if y'all are screaming
Speaker 3: to the top of your lungs, it might seem toxic,
Speaker 3: but at the very least you know that the other
Speaker 3: still cares enough to exert the energy to fight for it,
Speaker 3: to try and fight this right when they just.
Speaker 1: Said this is why I pick fights. I'm like, and
Speaker 1: You're like you still love And he's like and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: never mind, did to do? He's like, what why are
Speaker 1: you arguing about who left the milk out overnight? I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just need a little touch base.
Speaker 3: For us though, Like truly, Mandy, we had gotten to
Speaker 3: this place when our middle baby was two weeks old.
Speaker 3: We moved to Atlanta, so old diver city, no try.
Speaker 3: I didn't know anybody trying to establish ourselves, build businesses.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: I also had a radio show at that point, and
Speaker 3: it was literally like starting all over. We bid off
Speaker 3: way more than we could chew. So you already have
Speaker 3: a new baby, new city, new jobs, and you know
Speaker 3: it was going to like pressure burst pipes. We didn't
Speaker 3: account for that. And I also was moving so fast
Speaker 3: just trying to do do do that. I never turned
Speaker 3: to say, Michael, you're okay? How are you feeling like?
Speaker 3: You know, how has you been taking the brunt of
Speaker 3: dealing with the baby, or how's that taken a toll
Speaker 3: on you? Right? He also was a business owner up
Speaker 3: in New York and Jersey, and he closed that business
Speaker 3: to start all over down here. And right right, I
Speaker 3: thought he was okay and he wasn't okay. So when
Speaker 3: we ignore the writing on the wall, when we don't
Speaker 3: do check ins with one another, is essentially where resentments build.
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it hard to you know? When you think
Speaker 1: about the I always say, like women of our of
Speaker 1: my our gener our generation millennium, I'm not gonna you
Speaker 1: look like you could be a gen Z millennial. I'll
Speaker 1: be with yeah millennial, even we'll go with thezillennial. But
Speaker 1: there is this idea that like, oh, we can have
Speaker 1: it all and you can get you should get the
Speaker 1: job and go for the promotion, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm a negotiation coach too, so I'm out here
Speaker 1: trying to teach women how to feel confident and secure
Speaker 1: that bag and have those tough conversations. And at the
Speaker 1: same time, and people don't necessarily especially if you're I'm
Speaker 1: being heteronormative here, So you know, I know that there's
Speaker 1: different dynamics and other types of relationships, but in a
Speaker 1: you know, a you know, woman man those two gender identities,
Speaker 1: and as a woman, you kind of you get married
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, but I'm the new generation, like
Speaker 1: the husband's going to be a fifty to fifty equal
Speaker 1: domestic partner, and like all this is supposed to and
Speaker 1: like they're not supposed to complain about it. And so
Speaker 1: even being open to the idea that your husband needs
Speaker 1: support or that he like I was, I've been, I
Speaker 1: found myself expecting him to just like get with it,
Speaker 1: like this is the new this is a new age.
Speaker 1: Like you're going to be changing diapers and be here
Speaker 1: all day and like if you don't agree to that,
Speaker 1: then you must not support women and you must be
Speaker 1: you must have issues. We need to unpack that. Let's
Speaker 1: go to therapy for you. And there's some humility, there's
Speaker 1: like it has to be. It can't be like so
Speaker 1: far in each direction if you want to have a partnership.
Speaker 2: You know, the way you just said that is actually dangerous.
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is that's how a
Speaker 2: lot of young ladies are feeling like or should I
Speaker 2: say believe it should be.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know I'm saying that as like, oh,
Speaker 1: we gotta know, I know, backtrack a little.
Speaker 2: Bit thin somebody's watching and they feel like head nod
Speaker 2: is moving back and forth and this is the new
Speaker 2: day and age this is how you should be. And
Speaker 2: it's unfortunate, you know, because a lot of men actually
Speaker 2: are perfectly fine with staying home and understanding that they
Speaker 2: can work from home and be an amazing man, right
Speaker 2: and vice versa. But when the society says, Okay, this
Speaker 2: is the new age, this is how it should be.
Speaker 2: But then you have a young man or you have
Speaker 2: a young lady that has never had the tools, have
Speaker 2: never seen what it looks like to be in a
Speaker 2: great relationship. All they see is what's on social media
Speaker 2: and what is blown up on certain blogs of podcasts,
Speaker 2: and they run with it and they can't figure out
Speaker 2: why their relationships are not working because they are going
Speaker 2: by what society said he should right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for their Yeah, the idea they have, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Egypt, I'm still stuck on heteronormaty. You know that's
Speaker 3: a new word for.
Speaker 1: Me or really well sorry, yeah, I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: what I What I mean by that is like I
Speaker 1: think there's this the traditional gender stereotypes and every relationship.
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to make people who are in
Speaker 1: same gendered like they have a different Like my sister,
Speaker 1: for example, she's married to a trans man and they
Speaker 1: have a different set of certain you know, different kind
Speaker 1: of like societal cultural like stories that they've been told
Speaker 1: about their different roles, and they're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: their new normal. So that's that's all I meant by that.
Speaker 3: I was just like, yeah, I just love.
Speaker 1: To day you think it, You're welcome.
Speaker 3: I think at the end of the day, saying the
Speaker 3: shame rules do apply, Mutual respect is it's it's just period.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's a grace that we should send
Speaker 3: to everyone, not just the person that we're with. Uh.
Speaker 3: Clear communication versus assumption. You know, if you assume you
Speaker 3: know how someone feels or how they should feel based
Speaker 3: upon however you're processing it. And that's where we're wrong
Speaker 3: as well. I think also having a base together, like
Speaker 3: in a couple. Shit, no matter what your whether you're heteronormative,
Speaker 3: whether you're homonormative, I don't I don't know how you
Speaker 3: would call it, but there has to be some sort
Speaker 3: of return to, you know, to return to start for
Speaker 3: a relationship that you know, if things start to go left,
Speaker 3: let's let's take it back to what we know grounds us.
Speaker 3: For us, it is prayer and meditation.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful.
Speaker 3: It really is.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: One of the things that I loved about him when
Speaker 3: we were dating is, you know, I'm a praying woman,
Speaker 3: and when I would drop down on my knees, he
Speaker 3: get behind me, wrap his arms around me, put his
Speaker 3: hands over my and cover me to me. Just the symbolism,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, can we get a painting the loop?
Speaker 3: But but maybe that's not for everybody. I don't care
Speaker 3: if you was just going to the gym. You know,
Speaker 3: for some people it's like it grounds them, it centers them.
Speaker 3: It's just going to the gym and work it out.
Speaker 3: But whatever that home base is for your relateationship, don't
Speaker 3: make it so long before you return to it, you know,
Speaker 3: make sure you revisit what got you guys together in
Speaker 3: the first place.
Speaker 1: Oh that's not sweet. I hadn't like put a name
Speaker 1: on that. But for us, it's walking, taking a little
Speaker 1: walk in nature. It's usually how we get back. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to get I mean I could talk to
Speaker 1: you all about that forever. I'm assuming when's the book
Speaker 1: coming out? Are you going to have a marriage book?
Speaker 1: It's in the works, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, what we don't claim to be experts
Speaker 2: in any category.
Speaker 1: Even've got to be an expert. You can do whatever
Speaker 1: you want, write a book, but I love the stories.
Speaker 2: I think you have so much to teach it and
Speaker 2: thinks that even we expressed that on a podcast. But
Speaker 2: we do have a lot of experience in certain things
Speaker 2: and have had some experiences that we definitely would love
Speaker 2: to share.
Speaker 1: Okay, got it now? AHATV and y'all starting your businesses together.
Speaker 1: When did that merger kind of happen? Were you doing
Speaker 1: your own thing Egypt and then you might do in
Speaker 1: your own thing. When did y'all decide let's go into
Speaker 1: this together.
Speaker 3: It started during COVID. You know that COVID was It
Speaker 3: was a redefinition definition period for a lot of people
Speaker 3: because we were trying to get used to the new
Speaker 3: normal working from the kitchen counter, trying to run your
Speaker 3: business and still earn money or be the school team.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you didn't have your kids hearning COVID.
Speaker 1: I had one baby, I had a newborn.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, just a whole new appreciation for teachers though,
Speaker 3: and when.
Speaker 1: They Yeah, thank god I didn't have he wasn't virtual
Speaker 1: homeschool that, Yeah, that's so tough.
Speaker 3: He did that, and so that for us we had to,
Speaker 3: I mean again, out with the old rules. Let's figure
Speaker 3: out how we can survive. And we really wound up
Speaker 3: liking the new definition of our marriage because we were
Speaker 3: running our respective businesses from the kitchen island while breakfast
Speaker 3: was being made, while one of us was teaching the other,
Speaker 3: while we're you know, playing that for the other one.
Speaker 3: And ended up it was a lot happening. But we
Speaker 3: were running separate businesses, and the and we kept them
Speaker 3: separate is because we were married. And it's like too much.
Speaker 3: Too much is you know, if a good thing can
Speaker 3: be a bad thing, So you run your business. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna remind But as we started filming just what was
Speaker 3: happening around our house, he was doing this on his
Speaker 3: cell phone, we realized how much we were working against
Speaker 3: one another. Literally, I was sending business to other contractors.
Speaker 3: He was sending business to other realtors and designers, all
Speaker 3: for the sake of trying to keep a safe space
Speaker 3: for our marriage. When we realized, you know, really what
Speaker 3: it is is if we set loop, we can do
Speaker 3: so much better together. You're doing great on your own soul, live,
Speaker 3: but we can do so much better together. So it
Speaker 3: was during those COVID years that we I mean, here, here,
Speaker 3: it is right here, here's you want one that's gonna
Speaker 3: be controversial, Yes, please an exclusive, but it is gonna
Speaker 3: be controversial. We decided that we would return to what
Speaker 3: our grandparents did, sleeping in separate bedrooms and separate bits
Speaker 3: for some you know, we had some people say, oh,
Speaker 3: that's the kiss of death.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I thought, as if your butts didn't touch
Speaker 1: when you were sleeping, that's the Steve Harvey thing. That
Speaker 1: is just nonsense.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, But it was beautiful for us so much
Speaker 3: that we love to for a couple of years. But
Speaker 3: it also helped us have that you know, that time
Speaker 3: that you need to just like to yourself so that
Speaker 3: when you return to each other, you can be the
Speaker 3: best version of you. And that's also how we decided
Speaker 3: that we would be able to launch our business as
Speaker 3: long as we gave the other their space that they
Speaker 3: needed when they needed it.
Speaker 2: So let us elaborate on the room separate before somebody
Speaker 2: grabs that and tweaks it a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's enough. Let's leave a little bit to do, you know,
Speaker 1: leave a little ambiguity.
Speaker 2: It's important because it's a blessing. A lot of folks
Speaker 2: don't have the ability to go into another room, depending
Speaker 2: on your room, especially you live in a loft in
Speaker 2: New York City, you like you go to the couch
Speaker 2: and go to the table. They don't have that ability,
Speaker 2: but those that do are understand that. Man, I would
Speaker 2: love a reset right now. I'm not mad at them,
Speaker 2: but a reset would be amazing. To listen to what
Speaker 2: I want to listen to, to watch what I want
Speaker 2: to watch, you know what I'm saying, to eat what
Speaker 2: I want to eat, in peace, et cetera. So when
Speaker 2: that happened, it was a matter of where we saw that. Okay,
Speaker 2: we both had the kids all day at the same time.
Speaker 2: How about let's do this Monday. You have the kids. Tuesday,
Speaker 2: I'm going to this room and vice versa.
Speaker 1: It's co parenting at its finest. There's some z it's
Speaker 1: not a bad deal. Divorce parents, the co parenting, I
Speaker 1: admire that. So bringing it into your marriage like that's.
Speaker 2: It created such peace, you know, because of something. You
Speaker 2: don't want to get so lost in each other that
Speaker 2: you lose yourself. Damn, Yeah, you still gotta be You
Speaker 2: still gotta have guys night, you still gotta have girls night,
Speaker 2: and it all makes sense. Otherwise it's like all I
Speaker 2: have is them, So when they're not here, I don't
Speaker 2: know what to do. Right, don't lose yourself and work,
Speaker 2: don't lose yourself in each other.
Speaker 1: And So during that time, Mike, when you were in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: and I know you said you weren't doing so well,
Speaker 1: or Egypt said that, I'm wondering when how did you
Speaker 1: go about as a man building community in Atlanta and
Speaker 1: how did you make those connections? And then Egypt, how
Speaker 1: did you help him? Because sometimes I'm like, do you
Speaker 1: want me to set you a playdate? Because I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm so good at making connections. I'm like your
Speaker 1: friend from college, I'll email his wife like we'll get
Speaker 1: you guys together.
Speaker 3: But how did you do that? Mike?
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't, you know. And that's part of
Speaker 2: the problem because the person that I am, I'm going
Speaker 2: to hold on the things. Nobody needs to know what's
Speaker 2: going on within my household. So unless you were one
Speaker 2: of my cousins that I have ten thousand of or
Speaker 2: one of my great, great, great friends that I went
Speaker 2: to school with, there's only two of them that are
Speaker 2: here in Georgia. My thing is in your household. You
Speaker 2: can't tell everybody everything otherwise they start judging your other person.
Speaker 2: So my thing is I had to work on it internally, right,
Speaker 2: And I also knew that it wasn't forever. This is
Speaker 2: just a time period in my life that is in
Speaker 2: transition phase. So the new phase is coming, so I'm
Speaker 2: not going to get it as frustrated. What the frustration.
Speaker 2: The frustration came in when you try to explain yourself.
Speaker 2: Are you request certain things? And again, how the person responds,
Speaker 2: in their tone, what they say, that's what makes it worse.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, I moved here. We moved here because
Speaker 2: of you, and I'm not where I need to be,
Speaker 2: but you're not even respecting just little requests or certain
Speaker 2: things I say. Right, So it wasn't listen, I love
Speaker 2: being a girl dad. I would do that heart beat
Speaker 2: it deal with none else. I don't care about finances
Speaker 2: or the look. That wasn't the issue. It was again,
Speaker 2: let's just still treat each other with respect, no matter
Speaker 2: how much this person may have or we may have.
Speaker 2: It's just that mutual respect.
Speaker 3: But I will say, because you know, one of your
Speaker 3: questions was, well, how did you build community and you know,
Speaker 3: to be able to have guys night and one have you?
Speaker 3: I think us recognized and that did come out of therapy,
Speaker 3: us recognizing that part of our challenge was when we
Speaker 3: moved here, we only had each other. You know, up north,
Speaker 3: he had a huge group of friends. I had a
Speaker 3: huge group of friends, and when we moved here, we
Speaker 3: really did have to cling to each other and it
Speaker 3: was just too much.
Speaker 1: Like you know, was that during the pandemic or before before?
Speaker 1: Okay before and.
Speaker 3: So again, intentionality and what we do across the board
Speaker 3: is important when you recognize that something is really missing
Speaker 3: that you need. Maybe you thought you didn't need it
Speaker 3: as much. I need girl time. I'm a girl's girl.
Speaker 3: He needed guys time away from all the girls. So
Speaker 3: what we did was start to become intentional about forging relationships.
Speaker 3: That's one of the ways that our podcast came together
Speaker 3: because we realized, okay, all right, we meet eight nights
Speaker 3: with couples, So let's create this podcast where we can
Speaker 3: invite folks who are doing it successfully or those who've
Speaker 3: been through something, so they could teach us how to
Speaker 3: get through things or other couples who are dealing with
Speaker 3: having three kids and businesses, so we can build relationships.
Speaker 3: And it really has done exactly what we carved for
Speaker 3: it to do, because we now have a lot of
Speaker 3: couple of friends and he'll have his guys nights. A
Speaker 3: big part of it was, you know, you said, Egypt,
Speaker 3: how do you support that? I don't make him feel
Speaker 3: guilty about it? You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 3: you just won't go hang with the Yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: do that because y'all.
Speaker 1: Have a secure base now and you're not. I think
Speaker 1: sometimes it's not that you're doing something else. It's just like,
Speaker 1: but you haven't filled this cup and then you're gonna
Speaker 1: you know, and I think, I mean it's a I'm
Speaker 1: I'm so glad to hear some of the themes that
Speaker 1: we've talked about. It gives me a lot of confidence
Speaker 1: in my relationship and sort of the changes that we've
Speaker 1: been making. It gives me like hope. It also reminds
Speaker 1: me to what you said. This this mantra that I
Speaker 1: have is like this is a face. It will not
Speaker 1: be forever. My son doesn't want to wear pants in
Speaker 1: the morning. He sent him to school with no pants,
Speaker 1: my two year old, not the fireirl and I and
Speaker 1: normally I would be like screaming, like put your pants on.
Speaker 1: He'd be screaming. I'm just like, you know what, you
Speaker 1: want to rock with no pants? Here's a pretzel rod, like,
Speaker 1: here's some orange hues, like you're it's fine day care.
Speaker 1: I pay them enough, they can put your pants on,
Speaker 1: you know. And same with the relate And that's just
Speaker 1: been really freeing for me, and it's nice to hear
Speaker 1: that that's been helpful for y'all as well. Hey, BA Fam,
Speaker 1: we got to take a quick break, pay some bills,
Speaker 1: and we'll be right back. Welcome back, bea Fam. Let's
Speaker 1: get back to the show. Okay, So the podcast, is
Speaker 1: this your first season doing it?
Speaker 3: We're going into our second sees, this.
Speaker 1: Is your second season. Okay, So can you tell BA Fam,
Speaker 1: like who's your ideal listener? Like, who do you want
Speaker 1: to reach and who's the podcast for you?
Speaker 2: Go first ideal listener? Huh? I mean obviously, I mean,
Speaker 2: but not for nothing. So again, it's marriage and money,
Speaker 2: so we don't just hone in on relationships. I mean,
Speaker 2: your average teenager can tune in and hear some advice
Speaker 2: on financial tips. Right, So I would say everyone just
Speaker 2: tune in and get what get from it, whatever you
Speaker 2: think is good for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have we have married people listen and just
Speaker 3: kind of chime in or ask questions, or they've sent
Speaker 3: us letters just saying, oh my god, you are me
Speaker 3: and I am you, you know, and how we delt
Speaker 3: with that and how transparent you guys were about that
Speaker 3: really helped me figure out where I am. But we've
Speaker 3: also had a lot of single people say I watch
Speaker 3: because I recognize I have to become the man to
Speaker 3: marry the woman that I want, or I have to
Speaker 3: myself as a woman to attract the type of man
Speaker 3: that I want. And so what do they say, being
Speaker 3: in the room is half the battle. So watching the
Speaker 3: podcast is half the battle, you know, to understanding the
Speaker 3: psychology of your mate or your future mate. If we
Speaker 3: just to understand instead of behard. God. So it's fun,
Speaker 3: is fun, like hats off. It's fun. You're gonna learn
Speaker 3: a lot, you're gonna laugh a lot, and it's in
Speaker 3: sider us you won't get from TV. I mean.
Speaker 2: And that's another part of why we created the podcast, right,
Speaker 2: because we knew there was a certain audience we weren't
Speaker 2: touching that needed to hear the other side. Get You
Speaker 2: get the ACTV side, but you also get a whole
Speaker 2: other side that you do not see on at TV
Speaker 2: because they edit it out. You know, we've had folks
Speaker 2: come up to us and even those that come on
Speaker 2: the show, you know, if they've ever had hesitation that
Speaker 2: Washington go oh, I can do this. And I'm saying
Speaker 2: that to say because our show, Yeah, we go there,
Speaker 2: but it's such positive energy. You know, we're there to inspire,
Speaker 2: share our experience, share the couple's experience, not to tell
Speaker 2: you what to do. And this is how it's supposed
Speaker 2: to be done. Because we don't do that, we don't
Speaker 2: know that. We're still you know with forever learning, right, Mandy, what.
Speaker 3: Our podcast should be called is figuring it the hell out.
Speaker 1: I would tune in immediately. Money and marriage is just
Speaker 1: like oh ew I mean like marriage is hard. Money
Speaker 1: is well for me. I love talking about money and
Speaker 1: marriage to me is a challenge. But it's almost like
Speaker 1: the two most conflicts, like the two most like emotionally
Speaker 1: charged topics in a relationship. I know we don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of time left. So I did want to
Speaker 1: ask y'all, just financially speaking in your relationship, what are
Speaker 1: some of the if you can, like pinpoint a couple
Speaker 1: of lessons to leave be a family with some gems on,
Speaker 1: you know, learning how to talk about money in your
Speaker 1: relationship and do that in a healthy way.
Speaker 3: Well. So money can be a love language to some,
Speaker 3: but it can also be the kiss of death for others.
Speaker 3: You have to understand how the other person grew up, right,
Speaker 3: And so some folks grow up where they just their
Speaker 3: family just doesn't talk money because it's a stress work
Speaker 3: because they don't have any you know, I don't everybody
Speaker 3: don't talk to me about it. I owe everybody, uh,
Speaker 3: And so it can cause a level of discomfort. It's
Speaker 3: also one of the top reasons. So it's not just
Speaker 3: stop marriage the stop relationships. It's one of the top
Speaker 3: reasons that relationships fail because you know of either financial
Speaker 3: infidelity or you know, feeling like the egg the yolk
Speaker 3: is unequally balanced, if you will, and resentment grows awful.
Speaker 3: So for us, it's about developing a love language that's
Speaker 3: comfortable for everyone around money so that you can grow together.
Speaker 1: So what does that look like I'm talking like bitcoin
Speaker 1: or like do you just mean you're talking like do
Speaker 1: you guys have schedule time to discuss.
Speaker 3: You know, let's we call it taking a seat at
Speaker 3: the table. So in our house, we you know, in
Speaker 3: our kitchen, we got this great, big table and all
Speaker 3: the bills we'll just laid out. Our financial plan will
Speaker 3: be laid out. What ever, we try to bring it
Speaker 3: to the table when one of us has a concern
Speaker 3: or has made an expenditure or done something the other questions.
Speaker 3: But we compartmentalize our lives in this way so that
Speaker 3: we know that when we show up to the table,
Speaker 3: this is what we're talking about. The conversation might get
Speaker 3: a little bit uncomfortable, but that's what we bring it
Speaker 3: to the table for. But then any other time we're
Speaker 3: not talking about that. Why because you know, we don't
Speaker 3: need to talk money all the time. But we don't
Speaker 3: the same page. If one of us passes away, what
Speaker 3: is the other one going to do? Have we made provision?
Speaker 3: You know? Do we have instruction? Have we thought about that?
Speaker 3: You know? If both of us leave this earth, what
Speaker 3: happens to our kids? You know, these are the conversations
Speaker 3: people are often not comfortable with having with the other
Speaker 3: just because it just feels very uh.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the night, it's like I'd
Speaker 1: much rather just sit down and binge watch old episodes
Speaker 1: of Living Single with you than sit here. And so
Speaker 1: you go for what's gone comfortable, like we're really going
Speaker 1: to spend the fifteen minutes we have. It takes it
Speaker 1: to a discipline.
Speaker 3: Comfortable with making more money, saving more money, or financial
Speaker 3: planning for the security of your family. You know, look,
Speaker 3: we're not financial advisors either. But as a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: I grew up my early part of my life we
Speaker 3: were on welfare. You know. My mom was eighteen when
Speaker 3: she had me, nineteen when she had my sister. And
Speaker 3: so if I can do it, if he can do it.
Speaker 3: He grew up with a single mind, no father. You know,
Speaker 3: he also grew up in the project. If he can
Speaker 3: do it, if we can do this, then anyone can.
Speaker 3: And it really is not rocket science, you know, it's
Speaker 3: just about being in the room, getting the information and
Speaker 3: using it.
Speaker 2: I would say this as well as a couple. And again,
Speaker 2: like you said, even beyond marriage before that is that
Speaker 2: understand that you don't know it all right, And be
Speaker 2: okay with that. It's okay to reach out to financial advisors.
Speaker 2: It's okay to reach out to an eldor or a
Speaker 2: mentor that can help you. Right, Because you don't want
Speaker 2: to sit there at the table or wherever you've made
Speaker 2: meet up and feel like you're either hiding things because
Speaker 2: you don't know it, or you just don't know it
Speaker 2: and you're being prideful and you don't want to say anything.
Speaker 2: So don't be afraid to reach out for those that
Speaker 2: know more than you.
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, I know what you're thinking. Yeah, yeah, yeah
Speaker 3: again about that living single? So you know, so let
Speaker 3: me just approach you this way.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: This sex is so much better when you don't have
Speaker 3: to worry about finding.
Speaker 1: Just any sex and just the sex happens. It's probably
Speaker 1: like a direct relations, like a direct yeah one thing
Speaker 1: because I did have a thought, but now I done
Speaker 1: lost it. No, I wanted you to oh man, And
Speaker 1: the same way if I have a joke, I gotta
Speaker 1: say it, ah, damn it.
Speaker 3: What were you.
Speaker 1: Saying, mom, when you're talking about marriage? This is also
Speaker 1: like postpartum brain. Okay, whatever I was gonna reach out to?
Speaker 1: Oh right, Oh, thank you? Yes, I really want to
Speaker 1: ask I've been asking this of guesses. Tell me how
Speaker 1: you stack your money team, Like who's on the team,
Speaker 1: because you guys said that you know with your I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was your second or your third daughter.
Speaker 1: You you're you know, after going through that like not
Speaker 1: great couples therapy experience, that then you were like, we
Speaker 1: need to build a team of support around us. So
Speaker 1: can you can you talk a little bit about that?
Speaker 1: Because there is this missed I believe this misconception that
Speaker 1: it's just you two against the world when really you
Speaker 1: need Hopefully you're going to tell me that we need help, right, Okay.
Speaker 3: Have a lot of money, you don't. You don't have
Speaker 3: to have a lot of money to get a financial
Speaker 3: advisor or to build a team. You don't. You can
Speaker 3: start from where you are with what you have, and
Speaker 3: just what you really do need to do is develop discipline.
Speaker 3: But for us now, this phage, you're not phase in
Speaker 3: our life. What you what I recommend is you get
Speaker 3: a financial advisor. Make sure the reduciary. Here's a difference, fool.
Speaker 1: Yes you're speaking my language, work in our best interest,
Speaker 1: no commissions.
Speaker 3: Right, So you get yourself a conduciary financial advisor and manager.
Speaker 3: You also need an incredible CPA. That's important because it's
Speaker 3: not about how much you earn, it's about how much
Speaker 3: you do.
Speaker 1: Do you guys have the same CPA, Yes we do, okay, gotcha?
Speaker 3: And so you know, having a CPA that can help
Speaker 3: you leverage and keep and you know, use tax havens
Speaker 3: legal ways that the rich are not. You know, you
Speaker 3: want to know that even if you only make twenty dollars,
Speaker 3: how do you keep the whole twenty dollars? You know,
Speaker 3: when you hear about people who don't pay taxes, it's
Speaker 3: not that they're skirting it, but there literally are legal things,
Speaker 3: in legal ways and tax havens that will help you
Speaker 3: keep more money in your PODCET. The other thing is
Speaker 3: using insurance as a tool to grow wealth. Just because
Speaker 3: you don't have a million dollars in your life doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that you can't ensure that if you need that.
Speaker 3: You're significant other or your children don't have it. You know,
Speaker 3: when you're gone, just don't tell them that that you're
Speaker 3: better off there.
Speaker 1: And then so life insurance okay, gotcha? Okay, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: Build your your financial dream team if you will. But
Speaker 3: those are just three to have on your team. A
Speaker 3: good insurance person, you know, a great CPA, and a
Speaker 3: good produciary.
Speaker 1: But what about with like the day to day duties
Speaker 1: and things that for us as a couple, it's just like,
Speaker 1: do we need to be doing the on ourselves? Do
Speaker 1: you guys spend a lot on like the domestic kind
Speaker 1: of help. Do you spend on extra childcare, nannies, tutors.
Speaker 2: That's exactly where I was getting ready to go because
Speaker 2: a lot of people are like, yeah, financial sounds good,
Speaker 2: but I can't even afford to get out of the
Speaker 2: house because I have kids. Right. So we also have
Speaker 2: an amazing support system. I mean when we moved here,
Speaker 2: several of my family members moved here, including my mother
Speaker 2: right away. It's not right away, but they we do
Speaker 2: tend to suck amenda we're doing, and they understood that
Speaker 2: they don't need some help. So we are only able
Speaker 2: to do all that we do because we do it
Speaker 2: in peace, understanding that the girls are fully safe and
Speaker 2: okay those who raised us exactly, So we have that
Speaker 2: around the house. Yes, we have the landscape or we
Speaker 2: have the pool guy. We have people that allow us
Speaker 2: to be able to again, be creative, go out and
Speaker 2: break the deals and get the deals. Otherwise it just
Speaker 2: wouldn't work.
Speaker 3: However, I recognize what you're saying. Man, you know there's
Speaker 3: folks watching who don't even have family. We don't have
Speaker 3: that support. And so again, how do you start where
Speaker 3: you are? And the reality is, if nothing else when,
Speaker 3: then we are resourceful? Right we are? We are resourceful.
Speaker 3: And so there are home pods, there are networks of
Speaker 3: single mothers, there are networks of you know, mothers out
Speaker 3: there trying to get their life that if you team up,
Speaker 3: maybe maybe you can't afford a nanny by yourself, but
Speaker 3: maybe if you and two other or three of the
Speaker 3: or stay at home moms or mothers who want to
Speaker 3: get back out into the work sphere team up together together,
Speaker 3: you can afford a full time nanny. Right. And it's
Speaker 3: just a matter of whose house or the kid's gonna
Speaker 3: be at this week? Go who's you know, where's the
Speaker 3: people to watch the kids? Which is the safest house,
Speaker 3: which is centrally located. But then together again, that's what
Speaker 3: I say. We can do a lot on our own,
Speaker 3: but we can do so much more together. Don't be
Speaker 3: afraid to ask for help, and I do believe it's
Speaker 3: called the Brown Ambition Podcast. I do believe as Brown women,
Speaker 3: we often think that we have to wear an s
Speaker 3: on our chest and be all things to all people,
Speaker 3: and that it's all almost blasphemy when we say I
Speaker 3: can't do it or I need help, and we have
Speaker 3: to stop that, you know, we just have to stop
Speaker 3: that because it's unrealistic expectations for us to live up to,
Speaker 3: which is why mental health issues are at an.
Speaker 1: All time high.
Speaker 3: So if you need help, if you need resources, guess
Speaker 3: what we have so much at our fingertips that you
Speaker 3: can find a support group. You can find a Facebook
Speaker 3: page or Facebook group of people just like you feeling
Speaker 3: the same and asked for the help.
Speaker 2: You do research on them. You can't trust everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, right before the end, we know. I
Speaker 1: think that's beautiful. I have what I call a sister wife,
Speaker 1: only you know, not the weird husband part, but just
Speaker 1: she and I together, and I told her, I'm like,
Speaker 1: every Sunday we need to have a talk. What do
Speaker 1: you need? What do you need? What deadlines are at school?
Speaker 1: Did I forget about? I just love that message. I
Speaker 1: hate that you have to go but it's been so
Speaker 1: wonderful to get to know y'all. Thanks for sharing your
Speaker 1: light with me and such great vibes and giving me
Speaker 1: just all these gems. Oh yeah in the b BA fam,
Speaker 1: not just me, but thank you so much for the gems.
Speaker 2: Get your son some pants.
Speaker 1: I sent him with pants. They were in the bag.
Speaker 1: They were I had an idea, you know, I had
Speaker 1: ideas of clothing for him, like just the yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's fine. Where can people find y'all? Where can
Speaker 1: we listen to I'm assuming Marriage and Money is wherever
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Speaker 1: make sure you follow it, leave a review, right, I
Speaker 1: know how it is.
Speaker 3: Look Egypt and Maje on YouTube all days Egypt and
Speaker 3: Mike Wednesday nights, eight Eastern, seventh Central, you can watch
Speaker 3: Marriage and Real Estate. You can also stream it our
Speaker 3: stream on Max as well, and then Indigo Road our
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Speaker 3: We're gonna be in more than three hundred. Jason Plenis stop.
Speaker 1: Really we didn't even talk congratulations.
Speaker 3: On our side.
Speaker 1: I love that name Indigo Road.
Speaker 2: We didn't.
Speaker 1: We could have talked for hours. You gotta come back,
Speaker 1: will you come back? I just signed with iHeart and
Speaker 1: they have a studio in New York and Atlanta. So
Speaker 1: maybe the next time I'm in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Come see you in person.
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, thank you all so much. Well here,
Speaker 1: you can do that what I.
Speaker 3: Used to say on the stupid make extra money. That
Speaker 3: was my first real business.
Speaker 1: That's so sweet.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you up on that. Don't be a
Speaker 1: surprise like that would be amazing. Okay, y'all gotta go,
Speaker 1: you're busy, Okay, va fam thank you so much for
Speaker 1: listening to this week's show. I want to shout out
Speaker 1: to our production team, Courtney, our editor, Carla, our fearless
Speaker 1: leader for idea to launch productions. I want to shout
Speaker 1: out my assistant Lauda Escalante and Cameron McNair for helping
Speaker 1: me put the show together. It is not a one
Speaker 1: person project, as much as I have tried to make
Speaker 1: it so these past ten years, I need help, y'all,
Speaker 1: and thank goodness I've been able to put this team
Speaker 1: around me to support me on this journey. And to
Speaker 1: y'all be a fam I love you so so so
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