Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number four thirty nine of the Marine
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Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling and welcome you to this episode
Speaker 1: of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball
Speaker 1: podcast network, Recording here on Tuesday evening, August fourth. The
Speaker 1: Mariners have played their first game post deadline and on
Speaker 1: Brain with the twenty twenty six team. Went exactly how
Speaker 1: you expected to a t.
Speaker 2: The best way I can describe it is it was
Speaker 2: an absolute meme. That game was a meme.
Speaker 1: You had an absolute masterclass of Seattle Mariners baseball.
Speaker 3: I mean it starts off by seeing the lineup come
Speaker 3: out in the afternoon, and your big trade deadline bat
Speaker 3: acquisition is hitting eighth, which, by the way, that lines
Speaker 3: up with exactly what we were trying to temper people's
Speaker 3: expectations with on Taylor Ward for three months. This guy
Speaker 3: has not slugged. He just hasn't really hit a ton.
Speaker 3: He hasn't hit righty's and the Mariners clearly know the
Speaker 3: same thing because they're hitting an eighth now. To be fair,
Speaker 3: on the other side of that coin is when he
Speaker 3: faces a lefty, I'm sure he's gonna hit toward the
Speaker 3: leadoff spot first or second. But he's hitting eighth against righties.
Speaker 3: And he's not supposed to be a rob Refsnyder platoon player.
Speaker 3: He's supposed to play every day. He's hitting eighth. This
Speaker 3: is the guy that hit thirty six home runs last year.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, last year, if you go back to the deadline,
Speaker 1: Josh Naylor was betning cleanup and Aenio Swarz was betning
Speaker 1: fifth and their first game in the lineup together. Yep,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit different.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, this was this was your big acquisition to
Speaker 2: the deadline. He's hitting eight.
Speaker 1: Just and then Sir Anthony Demingez makes his debut late
Speaker 1: in this game and gives up two home runs and
Speaker 1: doesn't finish his outing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, hey, didn't walk people, that's what he usually did.
Speaker 2: Oh well, actually that's not true.
Speaker 3: He absolutely did walk people, and then he gave up
Speaker 3: a bomb man That sounds familiar to Sir Anthony de
Speaker 3: Mingue's t Mobile Park outing.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, maybe he was getting PTSD to his last outing
Speaker 1: in the park.
Speaker 2: Could be Ye, well, did he pitch in the Mariner
Speaker 2: series this year? He might have.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he might have. That makes sense. But anyways,
Speaker 1: since he was up close and personal, spending more time
Speaker 1: at the ballpark than he normally would, given that he
Speaker 1: just got traded here, maybe you know, maybe it triggered
Speaker 1: those flashbacks a little bit. I want to go through
Speaker 1: the checklist here, just because you and I were talking
Speaker 1: about this before game, and like, wouldn't it be so
Speaker 1: funny if like this, the Mariners just got off to
Speaker 1: a classic twenty twenty six Mariners post deadline start and
Speaker 1: everything that could go wrong went wrong. Well that's exactly
Speaker 1: what happened today, because, like the score looks exactly how
Speaker 1: the game went. A lifeless performance by the Mariners against
Speaker 1: a team that sold at the deadline. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's do checklist right. Checklist number one main deadline bat
Speaker 1: hitting eight at DH went hitless. Deadline reliever picked up,
Speaker 1: made his debut, gave up two home runs finish the inning.
Speaker 1: Yeah the h I mentioned Taylor word went hitless. The
Speaker 1: Mariners didn't score a run in their first game post deadline.
Speaker 1: The Mariners lost eight nothing to a team that's sold
Speaker 1: at the deadline. And then to cap it all off,
Speaker 1: Dan Wilson started his press conference tonight with tough one.
Speaker 3: Okay, As I often like to say on the pod,
Speaker 3: I know we're on the trust tree with all our listeners,
Speaker 3: so I'm okay admitting what a sicko I am. When
Speaker 3: the Mariners win games, I usually do not watch the
Speaker 3: full postgame show. I just don't like I'll be excited
Speaker 3: about the win, happy about the win, but then I'll
Speaker 3: go do the next thing in my day.
Speaker 2: When the Mariners lose, I watch the entirety of the
Speaker 2: postgame show.
Speaker 3: Why because I specifically wait to find out if Dan
Speaker 3: Wilson is gonna say tough one after every loss or not.
Speaker 2: That's what a sicko I am.
Speaker 3: I like, I think it's so so hilarious, and I'm
Speaker 3: so invested in it at this point that I will,
Speaker 3: legit wait around during these postgame shows after losses, despite
Speaker 3: the vibe of the team being much worse and obviously
Speaker 3: the talk of the postgame show not being as upbeat,
Speaker 3: I will still wait around just to see if Dan
Speaker 3: Wilson will say tough one and tonight, oh he said it.
Speaker 3: You know, he had no other way around, and he
Speaker 3: said it, and now it's yeah, it's on social media.
Speaker 1: You're not the only one who does it that. There
Speaker 1: are people, like you said, who sit and wait to
Speaker 1: clip it so they can tweet it, and then there
Speaker 1: are always replies underneath where it's like, is this from tonight? Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: from tonight?
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 3: How has nobody made a compilation of this yet? If
Speaker 3: people really do have the access to these postgame shows
Speaker 3: and are clipping all these things, how is somebody out there,
Speaker 3: whether it's I don't know if somebody listening to this
Speaker 3: or somebody on Mariners Twitter, how has nobody made a
Speaker 3: compilation video of all the tough ones from this year?
Speaker 3: Maybe there's some from last year too, but specifically it
Speaker 3: has been very, very unnotice this year. Somebody's got it
Speaker 3: clip all these together?
Speaker 2: Right? Have you seen that meme video?
Speaker 3: I'm sure you have, and I'm sure some of you
Speaker 3: that are listening or watching have two of the substitute teacher,
Speaker 3: like the really old man substitute teacher who walks in
Speaker 3: every day. He's wearing like a slightly different shirt, but
Speaker 3: it's just hello, hello, hello, hello, Like.
Speaker 2: Have you seen that? You've seen that? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure, like if you're online, you've seen it.
Speaker 3: How is somebody not compiled the video yet.
Speaker 2: Of just Dan? It's tough one, tough one, tough one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: tough one.
Speaker 3: Uh, tough one, tough one, tough one, you know, tough one,
Speaker 3: tough one.
Speaker 2: Like at some point that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: At some point you'd think he'd stop, but it just
Speaker 1: keeps happening.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's incredible because i mean again, people keep
Speaker 3: like not only noticing it, but then like resharing it
Speaker 3: on social media because it's become a meme.
Speaker 1: So in summary, the Mariners first game post deadline could
Speaker 1: not have gone any worse. If you were hoping for
Speaker 1: a beacon of hope with now less than two months
Speaker 1: to go in the season, you did not get that
Speaker 1: at all tonight.
Speaker 3: No, Well, before we move on to the mailbag, and
Speaker 3: I mean, unless you have other thoughts from this game,
Speaker 3: I was gonna spend something more in a positive light
Speaker 3: before we get to some mailbag questions.
Speaker 1: Well, this isn't gonna make any people feel any more
Speaker 1: positive when we talk about the difference between deadlines this
Speaker 1: season and last season. You know, the Mariners going into
Speaker 1: the deadline last year, we're mulling around, and once they
Speaker 1: got to the deadline, their record, you know, there were
Speaker 1: six games above five hundred, but then Mariners went won
Speaker 1: eleven of twelve immediately post deadline. Immediately you remember that,
Speaker 1: You remember that stretch we were sitting here thinking, feeling
Speaker 1: pretty good about ourselves. Were we had flipped from like
Speaker 1: like the team is solid, but it's still it's still
Speaker 1: missing pieces, buoyed by a sixty homer catcher to Oh,
Speaker 1: these deadline acquisitions are gonna win the Mariners the World Series. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll stay watching tonight. One game, in one game of
Speaker 1: data that we have in front of us, it looked
Speaker 1: exactly the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there were points last year where we were
Speaker 3: pretty down, but after they got Naylor and Gino, people
Speaker 3: were fired up, and during that stretch in August that
Speaker 3: they went on post deadline. The moment that jumps out
Speaker 3: the most is the Rays game where they hadn't scored
Speaker 3: all game and then Cal hits the three run homer
Speaker 3: off Griffin Jacks to get them to win. That is
Speaker 3: the game that sticks out in my head. I mean,
Speaker 3: because that was I mean, that was electric and it
Speaker 3: was one of the clutchest moments of Cal season.
Speaker 1: But on top of that, I remember the down moments
Speaker 1: of the season last year being fit, Like when they
Speaker 1: were in Tampa, when it was as bad as humanly possible.
Speaker 1: I remember the thought was, I mean, the thought was
Speaker 1: the process of this team was terrible. They're not good enough.
Speaker 1: It was if they're not gonna win the World Series
Speaker 1: after acquiring all of these players, or they're not even
Speaker 1: gonna make the playoffs after acquiring all these players, then
Speaker 1: when are they ever gonna do it right? It felt
Speaker 1: almost cursed, I would say at that time. Right meanwhile,
Speaker 1: this is just total chronic underperformance across the board.
Speaker 3: Right again, since May first, Taylor Ward just has not
Speaker 3: put up a ton of production on offense. It's just
Speaker 3: the truth. It's just the numbers out in front of you.
Speaker 3: So I hope he turns it around. The Mariners need
Speaker 3: him to. But we're gonna see, all right, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: spend something positive and it ties into some podcast lore.
Speaker 2: You know where I'm going with this?
Speaker 1: No, actually I have no idea where you're going.
Speaker 2: Well, you'll know in a second.
Speaker 3: So some of you already know because we tweeted it
Speaker 3: out over the weekend. But I'm sitting scrolling over the
Speaker 3: weekend on social media just pretty mindlessly.
Speaker 2: I'm not thinking much of it.
Speaker 3: And what do I come across All of a sudden,
Speaker 3: I see I mean and saying this sentence doesn't even
Speaker 3: feel it should be in this galaxy.
Speaker 2: I see Pete crow Armstrong.
Speaker 3: Of all people, who has a chance to win the
Speaker 3: MVP of the National League. On Kristin Cavalari's podcast, then
Speaker 3: talking about an opening line of Babe Ruth Never Existed?
Speaker 3: Is a take that I have that might be unpopular,
Speaker 3: And he starts to go into it, and I obviously
Speaker 3: hear the opening line. I was like, wait, that sounds familiar,
Speaker 3: Like is there.
Speaker 2: A tie to this?
Speaker 3: Like is this just a take on his own or
Speaker 3: is there some tie to this? So obviously when I
Speaker 3: hear the lion and that just pops up on my feet.
Speaker 3: I say to myself, Okay, I'm gonna keep watching, and
Speaker 3: he's like. The next line he says is there is
Speaker 3: a reliever with the Mariners a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: and right there I go, oh my god, you gotta
Speaker 3: be kidding.
Speaker 2: Like at that very moment, I knew. So it was.
Speaker 3: For those who haven't seen this podcast or this clip,
Speaker 3: it's Kristin Cavalari's podcast and she had both Pete crow
Speaker 3: Armstrong and Carson Kelly on and I think they talked
Speaker 3: about a variety of different things, including like a bunch
Speaker 3: of dating things in relations things, because I think that's
Speaker 3: the big Premisover podcast. But there's some baseball mixed in
Speaker 3: too with those guys. And they started talking about how
Speaker 3: Babe Ruth's not real, and then I hear there was
Speaker 3: this picture with the Mariners and he goes, what was
Speaker 3: his name, maybe Sasato, and Carson Kelly goes, yeah, Sasato
Speaker 3: like lefty, and he's like he was on some podcast
Speaker 3: on Zoom and he's going down the rabbit hall of
Speaker 3: how Babe Ruth may have never existed, and Pete's like, Man,
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there thinking to myself, that is awesome.
Speaker 2: I was like, you have gotta be fucking kidding.
Speaker 1: Me, dude, in what I mean, it's been what two
Speaker 1: and a half years since that clip came out at least.
Speaker 3: Yes, but it clearly at some point in time got
Speaker 3: on his feed, which is one absolutely nuts that that
Speaker 3: clip made it all the way to Pete crow Armstrong's
Speaker 3: feed and to the point where he remembered it enough
Speaker 3: where he's still talking about it. And again I was
Speaker 3: I would losing. I was like, there's no way. I
Speaker 3: was like, in what world is the MVP of the
Speaker 3: potential MVP of the National League talking about the Marine
Speaker 3: Layer pod on a podcast with Kristin Cavalari.
Speaker 2: Listen, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, well, we knew that clip made
Speaker 1: its rounds. We definitely heard from a lot of people
Speaker 1: about it, but again, it's been a long time since
Speaker 1: that podcast came out, since we had Sauce on it.
Speaker 1: We talked about that Pete didn't mention Sausado's walk around
Speaker 1: Queen Anne when he was following the north Star home.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was Maybee.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Pete saw that part too, but uh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just been so long since that podcast came out.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I forgot, but like the fact PCA
Speaker 1: is like digging it up, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, he's digging back for that one.
Speaker 2: Oh so that's how you spun that, that's how you
Speaker 2: took that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a long time ago. I'm glad. I'm
Speaker 1: glad our stuff is ever Maybe that's my summary.
Speaker 3: I am too, But you want my main takeaway from that,
Speaker 3: My main takeaway from all that is, in a roundabout way,
Speaker 3: christ and Cavalari knows the marine Layer pot exists.
Speaker 2: And to that, I say, Sup, should we have her on? Sure?
Speaker 2: Sure that you make that happen?
Speaker 1: Get her on?
Speaker 2: Well, surely that'll be an easy get.
Speaker 1: You know, when you were talking about some Marine Layer
Speaker 1: podcast lore, I thought you were going to bring up
Speaker 1: Jerry to Poto talking about going back to a six
Speaker 1: man rotation instead.
Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, okay, fine, we'll spend a minute on
Speaker 3: this and then get to mail back question. Jerry did
Speaker 3: a media session after the trade deadline wrapped up here
Speaker 3: on Tuesday, and one of the questions was about Kate Anderson,
Speaker 3: and he now says they're not gonna move k to
Speaker 3: the bullpen, even though earlier in the summer the reporting
Speaker 3: was that they were planning to put Cad and Sloan
Speaker 3: in the bullpen, and they talked about how they need
Speaker 3: to keep Kate Anderson stretched out because he's not at
Speaker 3: the innings that they want him to be at yet
Speaker 3: this year. But in that same presser, there was more
Speaker 3: talk about getting creative with the rotation once Kate gets up,
Speaker 3: and what does that mean.
Speaker 2: It's like we just got past it. You know. It's
Speaker 2: the old saying of right when I thought we were out, they.
Speaker 3: Pull us back in because now they're talking about wanting
Speaker 3: to go back to a six man rotation now at
Speaker 3: least to be fair.
Speaker 2: At least to be fair.
Speaker 3: This would be in September, likely when there's roster expansions
Speaker 3: and an additional reliever added to the roster at the
Speaker 3: very least there's that. But why do we insist on
Speaker 3: just throwing these six.
Speaker 2: Man rotations NonStop?
Speaker 1: You know what I was thinking about with this, Like
Speaker 1: Jerry's not gonna say it, but like if that happens
Speaker 1: for the Mariners, is that them putting themselves in the
Speaker 1: best possible opportunity in September to win that sounds like
Speaker 1: more of a development thing than like a win, like
Speaker 1: a best like build out to win games right one
Speaker 1: hundred percent, especially down this stretch, like those September games,
Speaker 1: if the Mariners find a way to claw themselves back
Speaker 1: into it, kind of like those are big, big games
Speaker 1: they'll be playing in which they need to win these.
Speaker 1: So like there are points where the Mariners might change
Speaker 1: their mind on this where they're going to prioritize like
Speaker 1: winning over development. Saying that Kate is gonna come up
Speaker 1: and start no matter what at this point sounds more
Speaker 1: like a development over winning, unless the Mariners are going
Speaker 1: to decide to put one of their other starters in
Speaker 1: the bullpen, which changes things like, all right, we want
Speaker 1: to get stretch Kate out, but we still need extra
Speaker 1: bullpen arm Emerson Hancock, Sorry, you're going in the bullpen
Speaker 1: like then, like, okay whatever at that point, but yeah,
Speaker 1: going to a six man rotation in September, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: sounded kind of strange to me. That is not something
Speaker 1: I had on my Bengo card.
Speaker 3: But even if you were gonna move one of your
Speaker 3: other starters to the bullpen, these are starters that have
Speaker 3: been doing it all year, I know, for as good
Speaker 3: as for as good as Kate Anderson's been, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: let me even rephrase that, for as unbelievable as Kate
Speaker 3: Anderson's been in the minor leagues, you don't know what
Speaker 3: the translation is gonna be like to the big league level.
Speaker 3: Nobody knows for sure, And you want to toy around
Speaker 3: with that in September when you're supposed to be in
Speaker 3: a playoff chase. Yet something feels real weird about that
Speaker 3: to me, And it more goes along the lines of
Speaker 3: what you were just saying, which is development over winning,
Speaker 3: which is not ever what this season was supposed to
Speaker 3: be about.
Speaker 1: Right, I feel like the team might be better off,
Speaker 1: especially given their struggles, with more relief and not as
Speaker 1: many starters. Like, you take the extra slot that you're
Speaker 1: given for pitchers and you have a reliever, so instead
Speaker 1: of going to a how am I gonna math this out?
Speaker 1: It gives you an extra reliever, right, instead of the
Speaker 1: what the Mariners were doing earlier this season when they
Speaker 1: would run a six man rotation with one less reliever. Right,
Speaker 1: I kind of just tied myself into a knot with that.
Speaker 1: With that sentence. But anyways, Yeah, I think Kate would
Speaker 1: do just find out of the bullpen. I hope he
Speaker 1: hits his innings limit too. I totally understand wanting to
Speaker 1: stretch him out. I feel like if he's gonna get
Speaker 1: stretched out as a starter, kind of feel like just
Speaker 1: leave him down. Yeah, in my opinion, if like, if
Speaker 1: Sloan's hit his innings limit and he's ready to pitch
Speaker 1: in the bullpen, bring him up.
Speaker 2: Right, agreed.
Speaker 3: But if you want Kaide stretched out, then let him
Speaker 3: stay stretched out in the minors. It doesn't like, if
Speaker 3: this season's about winning, go into a six man rotation
Speaker 3: and prioritizing development in September.
Speaker 2: That doesn't feel right.
Speaker 1: Unless they don't think they're gonna be in that spot,
Speaker 1: well possible, Well.
Speaker 3: Then that's then that's totally counterintuitive to what they did
Speaker 3: at the deadline. You're going and getting a rental and
Speaker 3: Taylor Ward and then saying we're punting the season.
Speaker 1: I mean, they got a rental and didn't pay that much.
Speaker 3: Right, but what's the point of even getting a rental
Speaker 3: to begin with? If you know you're not gonna be
Speaker 3: where you want to be for the season, you don't
Speaker 3: go and trade for a rental.
Speaker 1: Just in case your team turns it around. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if if this team turns it around, great, we've filled
Speaker 1: a weakness. If they don't turn it around, then it
Speaker 1: didn't really cost us that much.
Speaker 3: That'd be a really, really weird process. That'd be a
Speaker 3: really weird process. Again, middling teams don't trade for rentals.
Speaker 1: Well, the Angels do, but that's not he and to
Speaker 1: you want to stop yourself after no.
Speaker 2: In fact, Jerry got up and left that org. I'd
Speaker 2: say for pretty fair reasons.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the craziest thing to soft buy
Speaker 1: on a roster you're not totally bought in on, especially
Speaker 1: a roster that doesn't have a lot of pending free
Speaker 1: agents like this season. Most of this team will just
Speaker 1: be back next year.
Speaker 3: Well, two thirds of your outfield won't be now, Randy
Speaker 3: and Taylor Ward.
Speaker 1: Well, that's correct, but that's why I said most, not all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. That would be a weird process
Speaker 3: to me, but that's my take.
Speaker 1: I would love to have someone explain to me that
Speaker 1: in September of all times, for that to work out
Speaker 1: for I guess for experimentation reasons, in a season you're
Speaker 1: trying to win. But if someone has an explanation, go
Speaker 1: leave it in the comments on YouTube, or send us
Speaker 1: an email or send us a DM. All right lyle
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Speaker 1: off on Patron and asks I would love to see
Speaker 1: the Mariners incorporate Kate Anderson and Ryan Sloane into the
Speaker 1: bullpen this season. What do you see as the potential
Speaker 1: downsides for Anderson and Sloane's long term development if they
Speaker 1: were added to the bullpen.
Speaker 2: I almost feel like we just talked about this.
Speaker 3: But downside is well, especially for kid, he wouldn't be
Speaker 3: stretched out enough. But again, if the priority is to
Speaker 3: keep Caid stretched out, then you should just leave him
Speaker 3: down in the minor leagues to keep making starts. Sloan,
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's much downside to it if
Speaker 3: he starts to hit his innings limit and you want
Speaker 3: to get him some big league experience thrown out of
Speaker 3: the bullpen and he tries to help the team make
Speaker 3: a playoff run, I don't think there's much harm to that.
Speaker 1: I also don't think Sloan has that much downside. He's
Speaker 1: also gonna hit his innings limit faster than Kate Anderson
Speaker 1: will because Caid had a head start by pitching in college.
Speaker 1: For Caid, the downside would come bringing him up in
Speaker 1: Jerry said September September first, there wouldn't be as much
Speaker 1: downside for Cad if he gets called up in the
Speaker 1: middle of September as opposed to the beginning of September.
Speaker 1: I would say it would make the difference of what
Speaker 1: potentially fifteen innings next year that he can't throw that
Speaker 1: they don't feel comfortable throwing him at. Say they want
Speaker 1: to get him to a certain innings mark this year
Speaker 1: so they can get him to perhaps hopefully in one
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty innings close to a full season next year,
Speaker 1: so they don't have to load manage him down the
Speaker 1: stretch of next year. So I'd say, yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: downside you would you would leave Kate Anderson at one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five innings next year instead of one
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty innings. Otherwise, I see no downside. You
Speaker 1: face big league hitters, you get well the entrance isn't
Speaker 1: the same. You still get the practice of facing the
Speaker 1: best of the best and how to attack them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Are there any historical comps alex ads for the Mariners
Speaker 1: or any other teams with this type of development.
Speaker 2: David Price, if you want to use the Kate Anderson.
Speaker 1: Comp Yeah, that's one. He closed in their playoff run
Speaker 1: in eight. Right. Who's their closer for the World Series team?
Speaker 1: We've talked about Dustin may A Ton with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that happened. I mean, go back to last year, Doug
Speaker 1: Emerson Hancock was a reliever, right, Yeah, it's turned out.
Speaker 1: He's turned out okay this year? What else?
Speaker 3: There have been other big names that have gotten brought
Speaker 3: up to the team late in the year like that,
Speaker 3: to just try to get your best arms on the
Speaker 3: roster for a playoff run.
Speaker 2: So Price is.
Speaker 3: Always the one that sticks out to me. I mean
Speaker 3: there was the Brandon Finnegan one with the Royals back
Speaker 3: in twenty fourteen, but that one was so wild because
Speaker 3: he was pitching in the College World Series three months
Speaker 3: before the World Series, so it was different. It was
Speaker 3: so fast. David Price is probably the good one.
Speaker 1: Guys can bounce between relieving and starting, Like if you're good,
Speaker 1: you'll figure it out. And I think Caid's really, really,
Speaker 1: really good and I think he could figure it out.
Speaker 1: Here's like an example, maybe not perfect, but when Kevin
Speaker 1: Gosman was really struggling in This Is twenty nineteen, like
Speaker 1: he got cut I think from the Braves, and then
Speaker 1: after being a starter, the Reds picked him up and
Speaker 1: made him a reliever for the final I don't know,
Speaker 1: have twenty two innings of the season for him, and
Speaker 1: then he went back to starting no problem after the
Speaker 1: COVID season. Maybe it's that's not like a perfect comparison,
Speaker 1: but that's just to show that, like the best guys
Speaker 1: can bounce between. You don't do it too much, but
Speaker 1: they can do it. It's possible. And well, while and
Speaker 1: I have said we understand the want to stretch Kate
Speaker 1: Anderson out, it probably is more impactful to the team,
Speaker 1: especially if the bullpen struggles in August, to have another
Speaker 1: reliever up or attempt to have another reliever up to
Speaker 1: work out that situation instead of an extra starter and
Speaker 1: a same bullpen that is struggling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Christian on Patreon Christian's question is
Speaker 1: who is more deserving of playing shortstop in the postseason?
Speaker 1: JP Crawford or Colt Emerson.
Speaker 3: Look, as I know, Colts really struggled with the bat
Speaker 3: at points this year. Hands down, it's Colt Emerson for me.
Speaker 3: You can't have JP Crawford's unreliable shortstop defense out there
Speaker 3: in the postseason, potentially costing you runs with Aaron throws
Speaker 3: and not getting to baseballs. Colt's got to be the shortstop.
Speaker 3: And I understand the batsmen up and down. This was
Speaker 3: part of the risk of bringing him up as early
Speaker 3: as they did. There was the question of was this
Speaker 3: too early? Is it batfully developed? He was striking out
Speaker 3: a decent bit in Tacoma. He wasn't putting up crazy
Speaker 3: offen numbers with the Rainiers at that point. So there
Speaker 3: is a learning curve now with this by bringing them up.
Speaker 3: But he has got to be your short stop because
Speaker 3: he just provides you so much more on defense.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be glove only essentially, right. You'll hope he'll
Speaker 1: come through with something, But I mean, as of now,
Speaker 1: it's still been a massive struggle for Colt. You're talking
Speaker 1: twenty one points of ops plus between the two batters.
Speaker 1: JP's been below average at a ninety six. Colt currently
Speaker 1: sits at a seventy five. So what do you value?
Speaker 1: Ask yourself this as you're listening to this, you'd to
Speaker 1: value the defense more? Or do you value twenty one
Speaker 1: points of ops plus. I'm in the same boat as Lyle.
Speaker 1: I think the defense in this case, given that they're
Speaker 1: both below average, is more valuable pretty clearly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 1: I don't know what JP Crawford's postseason roll is right now.
Speaker 1: With Brendan Donovan back.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's the odd man out. I was like Cole
Speaker 3: Young last year, So.
Speaker 1: He just rides the bench or he's off the roster.
Speaker 3: Well, he'd probably he'd probably ride the bench because maybe
Speaker 3: you need him for a late of bat But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's unclear what his role would be.
Speaker 3: He's not done a ton at the plate, he's been injured,
Speaker 3: he's not playing quality defense. It's just, you know, it's
Speaker 3: another left handed bat. It's a little bit of an odfit.
Speaker 1: I'd say it's better to have him on the bench
Speaker 1: than some of the Mariners' other options because the Mariner's bench,
Speaker 1: as we've talked about, has been terrible this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't see him starting right now unless someone gets
Speaker 1: hurt or Brendan Donovan just continues to play even worse
Speaker 1: defense at third and doesn't hit. It's more like he
Speaker 1: did on his rehab assignment.
Speaker 3: It would probably be JP as the bench infield bat.
Speaker 3: That's probably right right.
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Alex on Patreon, Different Alex This.
Speaker 1: Alex's question is September callups? Who do you guys think
Speaker 1: will come up?
Speaker 2: And that's a good one. Well, are we including Caden
Speaker 2: Sloan in this?
Speaker 1: Only one can come up? I sed to send someone
Speaker 1: down right, which they could? I mean, I'm not married
Speaker 1: to Michael Rucker being in this bullpen in September when
Speaker 1: you could have Ryan Sloan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you're gonna say both of them, they'd
Speaker 3: probably be the pitchers. And it feels like it's trending
Speaker 3: that way. Otherwise, I mean offensively, I mean, well, again,
Speaker 3: what the factor into this all is like, is Michael
Speaker 3: Royal already up by this point?
Speaker 1: If he's not, then he'd be one of them.
Speaker 3: Right, So it'd be him, or otherwise you just bring
Speaker 3: up some utility guy. I mean, either you bring Mastro
Speaker 3: back up or Ryan Bliss comes up to play some infield,
Speaker 3: it'd be somebody like that.
Speaker 2: But if a Royo is not up yet, it's a Royal.
Speaker 1: If a Royo is already up, I mean probably Ryan Bliss, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think yeah.
Speaker 1: Or we didn't either talk about the Michael Royo deek
Speaker 1: this weekend where he showed up a team Obi park
Speaker 1: for an MRI. Yeah, and people are like, oh, wait,
Speaker 1: Michael Royal's at the park.
Speaker 3: And then oh, and then it's oh no, he's actually
Speaker 3: being scanned for an injury.
Speaker 2: And then he ended up being fine.
Speaker 1: And then he was back in the Ta Cooma that
Speaker 1: same day.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: But I don't if it's not Cater Sloan from the
Speaker 3: pitching side, because just as a reminder to everybody, you
Speaker 3: can only call up one hitter in one pitcher. That's
Speaker 3: all you get at this point, and you can't stack it.
Speaker 3: It has to be a position player and a pitcher. Otherwise,
Speaker 3: if it's not Cater Sloane, I don't think it's going
Speaker 3: to be somebody that blows you away. It's just gonna
Speaker 3: be some one of the guys that's already been up
Speaker 3: this year. If it's you know, Nick Dabula or maybe
Speaker 3: Jonathan Diaz gets his chance somebody like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Jentine has a trade deadline grade for us. His grade
Speaker 1: is a D. And the reasoning is this. The only
Speaker 1: reason it's a D and not an F is because
Speaker 1: the Mariners saved money training away Castio. But of course
Speaker 1: that helps releasing two players in owing money and netting out.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but it doesn't matter what they've done with
Speaker 1: the farm system. Ultimate measure is the Pennant and maybe
Speaker 1: these guys just hit their ceiling aka no legit World
Speaker 1: Series experience or building that caliber of roster. What are
Speaker 1: your guys' thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: I mean, look, we've sat here and said it was
Speaker 3: a really really underwhelming trade deadline. I don't know if
Speaker 3: I quite say D just given what the market was
Speaker 3: and there wasn't a ton out there, but I would
Speaker 3: certainly be in the C T C minus range. Like
Speaker 3: I agree that it should absolutely just be about winning
Speaker 3: the Pennant this year and it should be about going
Speaker 3: for it, and they didn't go for it enough, so
Speaker 3: shret like, I won't go quite as low as a D,
Speaker 3: but I'm in that CE to C range.
Speaker 1: So I'm basing it off of his philosophy there. That
Speaker 1: means the Mariners should have gone out and traded for
Speaker 1: Mason Miller.
Speaker 2: Well maybe that wasn't possible.
Speaker 1: Unless you gave up Kate Anderson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and that you're not gonna do well.
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's along the philosophy of what's the
Speaker 1: point of a good farm system if you don't have
Speaker 1: a World Series?
Speaker 2: So there's a difference between.
Speaker 3: Have like prospect hoarding and not trading the guys you
Speaker 3: truly believe.
Speaker 2: Or future cornerstones of your team.
Speaker 3: And I think the Mariners, for every good reason fully
Speaker 3: believe Kate Anderson and Ryan Sloan are more than just
Speaker 3: quote unquote prospects.
Speaker 2: They are future cornerstones. So I understand not trading them.
Speaker 3: Now to Jatine's point, another very odd quote out of
Speaker 3: Jerry's presser on Tuesday was he was talking about how,
Speaker 3: you know, obviously how they're built is on their farm
Speaker 3: system and on their development, and it would have taken
Speaker 3: something seismic to move prospects he was talking about, and
Speaker 3: then he actually started naming names, like he started to
Speaker 3: mention lads, and he started to mention Arroyo, is like
Speaker 3: it would take something seismic to move those guys.
Speaker 2: That's where you lose me.
Speaker 3: Is that's where you get into the prospect hugging category
Speaker 3: where if you're not at least you know, seriously entertaining
Speaker 3: offers on impact guys in exchange for those guys, then yeah,
Speaker 3: like it like that's.
Speaker 2: That's where you lose me.
Speaker 3: Like like and maybe the impact guys weren't out there
Speaker 3: on this market, which is why the prospects didn't move.
Speaker 3: But to say like, oh, like it would take something
Speaker 3: seismic to move those guys, like they're like, you know,
Speaker 3: they're like fifty to one hundred level top one hundred prospects.
Speaker 1: I think that's Jerry just gassing up his prospects. I
Speaker 1: feel like the Mariners would have no problem trading those guys.
Speaker 2: Maybe those guys are.
Speaker 1: Really good prospects and they mash and way, are they
Speaker 1: like untouchable once in a generation prospect? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he just can't move like this example, right, Like the
Speaker 1: Mariners will not have a pitching prospect as like polished
Speaker 1: and ready as Kate Anderson fall into their lap maybe
Speaker 1: in the next twenty five years. That's why that one
Speaker 1: is like special and unheard of, but like a lads
Speaker 1: in a royal, like you can mash in the minor leagues.
Speaker 3: Right, Like, Jerry has to know because he's around it
Speaker 3: and in it more than anybody else every day, Like
Speaker 3: he's got to know Laz is currently hitting a buck
Speaker 3: eighty four with a six seventeen ops against left handed
Speaker 3: pitching for the year, right Like when he's gassing up
Speaker 3: his prospects internally, he has to know these guys are
Speaker 3: not the Kate Anderson level prospects of hitters that he's
Speaker 3: almost talking them up to be like he is. He
Speaker 3: is not Kevin McGonagall as a hitter, Laz. I mean,
Speaker 3: he has more power than that, but he's not that
Speaker 3: type of well rounded hitter. You know, he's massively struggled
Speaker 3: against south Pause and Jerry knows that, So that would
Speaker 3: be a little weird to be like, oh, it takes
Speaker 3: something seismic to move a guy who, again, if it
Speaker 3: all goes perfect, could be a really, really fun player,
Speaker 3: But if it doesn't go to the one hundredth percentile outcome,
Speaker 3: he's going to be like a Luke Rayley, who probably
Speaker 3: plays even slightly worse defense and has more raw power.
Speaker 2: But we'll see if it translates.
Speaker 1: Right. That's yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. I
Speaker 1: did not see that quote. Yeah, I don't think those
Speaker 1: guys are untouchable. Jerry's had no problem trading prospects of
Speaker 1: that stature before, and it's worked for him.
Speaker 3: He knows that Noelvie, Edwin Arroyo type guys like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the difference is those types of players the Mariners
Speaker 1: got back, Brendan Donovan and Luis Castill weren't available in
Speaker 1: this market. That's why they didn't get moved, right. I
Speaker 1: think if who's the guy out there that you'd really
Speaker 1: want the Mariners to trade for, Let's say, like, let's
Speaker 1: say Wilson Contreras was available for the Mariners and it
Speaker 1: costed you Las Royal or both. I think Jerry would
Speaker 1: have traded Las in Royal for him.
Speaker 3: Could be if you're willing to deal with the potential
Speaker 3: headache of Wilson Contrero's personality.
Speaker 1: Assuming they'd done their homework and we're okay with it.
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, that's fair.
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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Alex on Patreon. Alex's question is
Speaker 1: beyond Taylor Ward, did Jerry essentially bet on internal improvements
Speaker 1: at this deadline?
Speaker 3: Yes, because again, if cal Julio and Naylor don't hit,
Speaker 3: nothing about this season really matters. Doesn't matter if you
Speaker 3: trade it for Taylor Ward doesn't matter. If you go
Speaker 3: and get Luke Weaver, doesn't matter if you had also
Speaker 3: tried to get one additional bat at the deadline.
Speaker 2: If cal Julio and Naylor don't hit, like, they're not
Speaker 2: going to the playoffs.
Speaker 3: If they don't turn this thing around in the final
Speaker 3: two months, they're not going anywhere. Did I hear Josh
Speaker 3: Naylor's now at forty one games without a home run.
Speaker 1: We are eight days away as of recording from two
Speaker 1: months without a homer I Une twelve.
Speaker 2: That's absurd, absurd.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know what to say at this point.
Speaker 1: Like he's got to be hurt.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he's been dealing with a risk thing,
Speaker 3: but he doesn't really talk about injuries much apparently, like
Speaker 3: he won't talk about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's managed to be productive in other ways.
Speaker 1: He has a what twenty four game on base streak,
Speaker 1: so he's like he's getting on, he's just not doing
Speaker 1: any damage to the baseball. To answer Alex's question, that's
Speaker 1: exactly it. And that's like part of the reason the
Speaker 1: Maritors approached the deadline the way the way they did
Speaker 1: is because that's what was available in the market. But
Speaker 1: it's also because I just don't think this Mariners team
Speaker 1: is giving them a reason into like mortgage of their
Speaker 1: future to go for it. Yeah, like let's think of
Speaker 1: like all these teams at this the deadline for the
Speaker 1: Mariners since twenty twenty two, and Jerry sits there and
Speaker 1: is looking at these teams, It's like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: a reason I believe in the team in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: What do you think was the reason the Mariners believed
Speaker 1: in the team to trade for Luis Castillo?
Speaker 2: Why did they believe in trading for him?
Speaker 1: You're saying, yeah, why did they believe in the team
Speaker 1: enough to go justify trading for him?
Speaker 3: Well, they were winning at that point, Like they had
Speaker 3: ripped off fourteen in a row before the All Star break,
Speaker 3: that's a couple of weeks before the deadline.
Speaker 1: They proved that they were serious. I one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 1: I would also add on top of that, they had
Speaker 1: eventual Rookie of the Year winner Julio Rodriguez breaking out
Speaker 1: right in front of everyone's eyes. And they had this
Speaker 1: guy who got sent down in May and got called
Speaker 1: back up as an emergency and the head e merged.
Speaker 1: His name was cal You might have heard of him.
Speaker 1: He's pretty good. And the Mariners had pieces to work around.
Speaker 1: They also had a good bench. They were fast, they
Speaker 1: were athletic. They just didn't have enough starting pitching and
Speaker 1: they just so happened to have prospects.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty two was their best bench in this.
Speaker 3: Regime with Dylan Moore, Sam Haggerty and the way they
Speaker 3: played that year, Like that group was a really really
Speaker 3: strong bench. But yes, Julio's emergence, Col's emergence, Gino had
Speaker 3: like a four win season that year. You had ty
Speaker 3: Franz as an All Star in the first half. I
Speaker 3: know he fell off in the second half, but you
Speaker 3: know he was probably playing hurt.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that team had really proven it.
Speaker 1: That's why twenty twenty three I think was similar vibes.
Speaker 1: The team was just mid right they approached the deadline,
Speaker 1: they did not show any signs. So therefore the team
Speaker 1: besides that bullpen, Jerry didn't really invest much into that
Speaker 1: roster at the trade deadline, and then right after that
Speaker 1: the team rips off unbelievab August and goes on that run. Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. I think Jerry was trying to save
Speaker 1: his job. That's why he traded for Randy. Like it
Speaker 1: was the right move because it was like a clear
Speaker 1: upgrade and the team was like dead in the water.
Speaker 1: But they like they knew that's that's what it was, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they probably didn't do enough in addition to that, Well,
Speaker 3: there wasn't a ton out there like there I remember
Speaker 3: that deadline. I don't think there were many teams that
Speaker 3: traded for better bats.
Speaker 2: Than the Mariners.
Speaker 3: Because they got Randy and they got Justin Turner, it
Speaker 3: just still wasn't enough.
Speaker 1: M Like, they made all the right moves at that deadline,
Speaker 1: but that team just wasn't good enough, right, They weren't.
Speaker 1: They weren't in the headspace to play very well. Whether
Speaker 1: it was under performance or whether they didn't like Scott Service,
Speaker 1: and they just weren't playing well cohesion as a team,
Speaker 1: but that team just did not work out at the deadline.
Speaker 1: They almost did that out of desperation. And then last
Speaker 1: year it's because they had a sixty home run catcher
Speaker 1: and it was a perfect storm of needs. The fact
Speaker 1: you had two rental players at the positions you needed
Speaker 1: exactly line up.
Speaker 2: And the American League was still really bad last year.
Speaker 1: Right, So you could find a reason in all of
Speaker 1: those years why the Mariners did what they did this year.
Speaker 1: Can't find a reason to buy confidently, not based on
Speaker 1: who's available or how your team's performed.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I hope that answers your question, Alex, I'm
Speaker 1: with you. Next question comes from Cheryl on Patreon. Cheryl's
Speaker 1: question is George Kirby was quoted saying I love this place.
Speaker 1: I want to stay here. I want to show them
Speaker 1: I'm worthy of being a Mariner. Do you think this
Speaker 1: indicates he would sign an extension if one was offered.
Speaker 3: No, not unless it's a massive overpay. Look, he gave
Speaker 3: the right pr answer to that question, and I'm sure
Speaker 3: George Kirby does like pitching in Seattle and furthest organization.
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean he's not gonna walk in free agency.
Speaker 3: And I think all of the general belief is that
Speaker 3: he is still planning to test free agency. So again,
Speaker 3: it's a nice quote and he said the right things,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure he does like it, but I don't
Speaker 3: see that as a sign of, oh, I'm planning to
Speaker 3: just drop everything insign an extension.
Speaker 1: There's a number he would say, yes, sat, but I
Speaker 1: doubt that's a number of the Mariners would offer him
Speaker 1: because George wants top of the line starting pitcher money
Speaker 1: and the Mariners know who he is as a starting pitcher.
Speaker 1: They just shopped him at this deadline. Is that give
Speaker 1: you much confidence they wanted they're confident they're going to
Speaker 1: keep him around, that either he's gonna stay or they'd
Speaker 1: want to keep him. There's like a chance that the
Speaker 1: Mariners just don't deem George Kirby worth it to spend
Speaker 1: money on. I mean, he's always good, but not good enough.
Speaker 3: Isn't this exactly what we've talked about, that he just
Speaker 3: hasn't made the same jump as a bunch of the
Speaker 3: other pitchers. I think it is, and I think the
Speaker 3: Mariners might view it the same way. Where it's look,
Speaker 3: he throws a lot of strikes, and he has his
Speaker 3: good starts and he has a decently high floor, but
Speaker 3: he just doesn't have an outpitch, and he just has
Speaker 3: too many starts where he gets hit around too hard,
Speaker 3: and he has too many you know, he has too
Speaker 3: many times where there's all these things under the hood
Speaker 3: that say it's gonna improve, and then it doesn't actually
Speaker 3: improve on the field. Again, high floor, good pitcher, but
Speaker 3: maybe not extension worthy pitcher.
Speaker 1: I agree with all of that. So yeah, Cameron on
Speaker 1: Patreon asks which starter do you guys think would be
Speaker 1: is more likely to be traded in the off season.
Speaker 1: George Kirby or Emerson Hancock.
Speaker 3: I know he also said in the question, you could
Speaker 3: throw Logan Gilbert into this, which with one year left
Speaker 3: on Logan Gilbert's deal.
Speaker 2: Again, that is gonna be really.
Speaker 3: Interesting this offseason and in an off season where you
Speaker 3: just don't have a lot of time because there's a
Speaker 3: lockout coming. But of those three, I'll still say Kirby
Speaker 3: because I think it gets you the best return with
Speaker 3: two years to go rather than one, or with just
Speaker 3: one proven year under the belt like Emerson Hancock.
Speaker 1: I think if Emerson Hancock finishes the year strong, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be him. I don't think you would get enough
Speaker 1: of a return for Logan Gilbert because he's got one year?
Speaker 1: Do you like, are the Mariners thinking they might get
Speaker 1: like the perfect trade package back for George Kirby? Like
Speaker 1: the perfect trade package will not exist this offseason because
Speaker 1: there's just not enough time to formulate a perfect trade package,
Speaker 1: which leaves you with Emerson Hancock, who was also floated
Speaker 1: out there on the block at this deadline. And I
Speaker 1: as much as the Mariners like Emerson, they probably have
Speaker 1: the least amount of attachment to him, so therefore they
Speaker 1: would feel the most comfortable trading him away.
Speaker 3: So if you trade Emerson and eventually Cad or sorry,
Speaker 3: if you trade Emerson and eventually Logan and Gilt and
Speaker 3: Kirby both leave as free agents, then you're just saying, Okay,
Speaker 3: still down the road, the rotation can still be Wu Miller,
Speaker 3: Cad Sloan and somebody else, hopefully our guy Logan Evans.
Speaker 1: Sure, the question they'll have to answer is do we
Speaker 1: want more control or better pitchers this offseason? Because there
Speaker 1: are two different routes to go. If you want to
Speaker 1: just trade the guys with the least amount of control,
Speaker 1: you'll trade Logan Gilbert this offseason, get a return back
Speaker 1: of either a major league player or some prospects, and
Speaker 1: you'll roll with Emerson Hancock. Unfortunately, as much as I
Speaker 1: love Emerson, he's not as good as Logan Gilbert is.
Speaker 1: So the other side of that is you trade Emerson
Speaker 1: Hancock and you roll the dice with Logan Gilbert in
Speaker 1: his last season before free agency.
Speaker 2: Right, that's it. Yeah, Yeah, it's fair.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure they I'm sure they'll get calls on
Speaker 3: all these starters this offseason they start. They seem to
Speaker 3: get calls on these guys every off.
Speaker 2: Season, but.
Speaker 3: It is about which route they'd rather go control versus
Speaker 3: highest flooring upside as a pitcher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, all right. Last one comes from
Speaker 1: Xander on Patreon. Xander's question is there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of DFAs, a lot of players designated for assignment post
Speaker 1: headline that couldn't be traded. Are any of these guys
Speaker 1: useful to the Mariners?
Speaker 3: I mean, he mentions Jorges Solaire. I get the intrigue
Speaker 3: because he's a right handed bat who just got released
Speaker 3: and has power. But there's a reason he also just
Speaker 3: got released. He has not hit this year. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's got an eighty nine WRC or an eighty nine
Speaker 3: OPS plus he's barely hitting above two hundred. Is war
Speaker 3: for the year's negative. I mean the Mariners may shop
Speaker 3: around in that market if there's, like if there's DFA
Speaker 3: candidates that they really deemed to be a fit on
Speaker 3: their team, especially if there's some reliever DFA candidates. But
Speaker 3: I don't know about any specifically you could point out
Speaker 3: and say, yes, they have got to go get this
Speaker 3: guy at this moment, because you don't know if a
Speaker 3: certain team's gonna DFA guy or not. And if they
Speaker 3: do DFAM, there's probably a reason.
Speaker 1: The two I dug up. One's Chris Martin, who's really
Speaker 1: good for the Rangers last year. This year has just
Speaker 1: been awful. I'm wondering if there's anything salvageable from him,
Speaker 1: who showed even at old age last year, he could
Speaker 1: be incredibly productive. The other one is Craig Kimberl, and
Speaker 1: you never know, he's bounced around to a ton of teams.
Speaker 1: Just add the Mariners to his career chain and you
Speaker 1: could get maybe two months out of him.
Speaker 3: Maybe camer would be fun more just because of who
Speaker 3: he once used to be. But again, when those are
Speaker 3: the guys you're digging up, I don't think that's changing
Speaker 3: all that much about your roster. So they may look
Speaker 3: when certain guys get DFA. I mean, I'm sure they're
Speaker 3: always looking when guys get DF eight and saying, is
Speaker 3: this a guy worthy of bringing into our organization? But
Speaker 3: I don't think that's gonna change much.
Speaker 1: For every Max month. See, there's unfortunately, many, many, many
Speaker 1: many more Abraham Torros.
Speaker 3: Yes there are, but hey, he wasn't even a DFA guy.
Speaker 3: The Mariner straight up traded for him, and you should
Speaker 3: have been, well, you loved him. I can't believe the
Speaker 3: Mariners never dfade him.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: It would have given you so much satisfaction.
Speaker 3: God, could you imagine if we were doing this pod
Speaker 3: when Abe was actually a Mariner.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have been as calm as
Speaker 1: I usually am on these. He was so bad, he
Speaker 1: was so bad. The team was looking me in the
Speaker 1: eye and saying, the guy who can't hit, the one
Speaker 1: guy on this roster who truly truly cannot hit is
Speaker 1: our starting DH today twenty two times could not hit.
Speaker 2: God, I wish we've been doing this pod during the
Speaker 2: ABE era, I really.
Speaker 1: Do could could not hit. It's like it's like the
Speaker 1: Mariners last year starting Dylan Moore at DH, like he
Speaker 1: literally can't even do the job of the position.
Speaker 3: God, and you used to send me text after text
Speaker 3: after text. I mean there would be like incoherent text
Speaker 3: half the time where it's like are we even having
Speaker 3: a conversation or are you just like are you just.
Speaker 2: Like saying things?
Speaker 1: Because the Mariners started abe Toro at He's not playing
Speaker 1: this year, by the way, man started aid Toro at
Speaker 1: DH twenty two times in twenty twenty two just to
Speaker 1: produce a five hundred ops.
Speaker 2: Wow, hey that's pretty good. It's not four hundred.
Speaker 1: It is not four hundred. No, no, it's not four hundred.
Speaker 1: You're very right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was very right. Yeah he was really bad.
Speaker 3: We'll see if the Mariner's looking the DFA range at
Speaker 3: all DFA bucket. But again, I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: really going to be anybody in the final one to
Speaker 3: two months that fixes a whole ton, So we'll see.
Speaker 1: Do you ever think back to that Abe Toro Jesse
Speaker 1: Winker Culton Wong trade where it's like, could you have
Speaker 1: a worse combination of players getting traded. Well you both sides.
Speaker 3: Well, you should still be thrilled again you got Abe
Speaker 3: out of the organization.
Speaker 1: It's like, which one do I want more? The player
Speaker 1: who I deemed the worst player I've ever seen in
Speaker 1: my life, a guy who no one liked and was
Speaker 1: terrible as a Mariner, or the guy who got dfaied
Speaker 1: less than four months into the season after getting acquired.
Speaker 3: My vote on that is still culton loong because the
Speaker 3: trade was sound at the time. He was supposed to
Speaker 3: be productive for you. History showed that he should be
Speaker 3: productive for you, and he was also supposed to be
Speaker 3: a really nice dude. Again, he wasn't good. He was
Speaker 3: he was a disaster here, but he was a nice dude.
Speaker 3: It wasn't your deemed worst player ever or Jesse Winker,
Speaker 3: who's just an absolute case.
Speaker 1: Now that we're on this topic, do you ever think
Speaker 1: back to twenty twenty four? Do you remember when we
Speaker 1: were like this close to the Mariner's cutting Jorge Polanco?
Speaker 2: Do you remember that? Were they that close?
Speaker 1: I think so?
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah, I don't think he was ever gonna get cut.
Speaker 1: Well, there was a remember that, remember the Padre series
Speaker 1: he heated up.
Speaker 2: I just don't even remember rumblings that he was gonna
Speaker 2: get cut.
Speaker 1: I remember that really, Yeah, huh, I mean he was
Speaker 1: because this was the last year of his deal and
Speaker 1: things weren't working out.
Speaker 2: Oh right, you.
Speaker 1: Had to change something. It was like it was. I
Speaker 1: think if he had had another like bad couple of games,
Speaker 1: he might have gotten cut. But I think he went
Speaker 1: on a like a decent stretch sometime in August and
Speaker 1: saved himself.
Speaker 3: Well, thank goodness for that, because he probably doesn't resign
Speaker 3: here last year if the Mariners cut him.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, like the full circle of like
Speaker 1: Jorge Plonko doesn't have these amazing postseason moments for the Mariners.
Speaker 1: If he goes like overs Next eight late in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four and gets DFAD instead, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That would have been crazy. Wow. I hadn't thought about that.
Speaker 2: But man, good memory.
Speaker 1: Xander wants to talk about DFAs. How will we talk
Speaker 1: about non DFAs too?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Good set of mailbag questions again. I know we did
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