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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number four

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Speaker 1: O nine and today the show we are continuing our

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Speaker 1: habitat specific series and our focus is mountain country stuff

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Speaker 1: like the steep hills and mountains of Pennsylvania, Tennessee, West Virginia,

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Speaker 1: up in the northeast. All that stuff is covered today

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Speaker 1: and we're joined by expert bow hunters Johnny Stewart, Bow

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Speaker 1: Martinic and Andy May. Alright, welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X. Today we're

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Speaker 1: talking mountain country, talking stuff like the Appalitian Hills, foothills, mountains.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about stuff up in the northeast, like Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: stuff like what you find in Vermont or New Hampshire, Maine.

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Speaker 1: Stuff you might find down and shoot, maybe the Ozarks. UH,

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Speaker 1: probably very applicable to the mountains. You could be hunting

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Speaker 1: in Idaho or some of the other Western states too.

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Speaker 1: We're diving in how to think about these areas where

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Speaker 1: there's typically lots and lots of country, big timber and

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Speaker 1: significant topography, big hills, ridges, points, creek bottoms, valleys, draws

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Speaker 1: a lot of different things that are going to impact

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Speaker 1: deer movement, how wind fluctuates, and how you as a

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Speaker 1: hunter can can try to find deer out there and

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Speaker 1: try to get away with getting close. So we're joined

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Speaker 1: by three folks, as has been the case for the

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Speaker 1: previous uh renditions of this series, and he May joins

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Speaker 1: me is co host. He's got some questions and some

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Speaker 1: curiosities that he's gonna be diving into here. But our

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Speaker 1: special guests are Johnny Stewart and Beaumark Tonic. Both of

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Speaker 1: these guys are Pencil Vania hunters. They're both die hards.

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Speaker 1: They've both traveled across the country to hunt in different places,

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Speaker 1: so they're not just doing hill country in mountain country

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Speaker 1: hunting there in PA. They're hitting a bunch of other

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Speaker 1: states too. They've got some great insight, different perspectives, different

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Speaker 1: ways of going about things. And we've heard on the

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Speaker 1: hill Country episode back I don't know a month or

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Speaker 1: a month and a half ago. So we're gonna cover

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Speaker 1: some different things, but there is some overlap here. Um.

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Speaker 1: So you can listen to that one and this one

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Speaker 1: and take some things and add some things and kind

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Speaker 1: of there's a there's a ven diagram. There's some oversection

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Speaker 1: there that that I think is interesting actually, so keep

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Speaker 1: that in mind. Um, as far as backgrounds here, you know,

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Speaker 1: Johnny is just a die hard eat, sleeps and breathes

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Speaker 1: this stuff. And Bow the one of the things he

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Speaker 1: does additionally is he's got the East Meets West podcast

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Speaker 1: YouTube series, website. Uh, He's doing some cool stuff in

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Speaker 1: the media space. So if you enjoy what you hear

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Speaker 1: today from Bow, you can definitely get more from him,

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Speaker 1: So keep that in mind. The only other thing I

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Speaker 1: will mention is that if you have not already signed

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Speaker 1: up for our Whitetail weekly newsletter, I highly recommend you

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Speaker 1: do that. Just go over to the meat Eat dot com.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you're subscribed. That's where all of our new

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Speaker 1: stuff is shared first. That's where you're gonna get updates

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Speaker 1: on new content. That's what we're going to find out

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Speaker 1: about some it's actually some pretty exciting things coming down

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Speaker 1: the line with Wired Hunt. That's where we're gonna share it.

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Speaker 1: We'll be talking about it there. So I just want

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Speaker 1: to make sure you're tapped in on what's going on

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Speaker 1: here in the wire Dunk community. There's going to be

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Speaker 1: a lot, so stay tuned. And with that, I think

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Speaker 1: we should just kick it over to my conversation with Bow,

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Speaker 1: Johnny and Andy. Alright, guys, we have got one hell

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Speaker 1: of a trio on the line here for our Mountain

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Speaker 1: Bou Martinic, Johnny Stewart, and Andy may Uh. Thank you

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Speaker 1: we can do it. Bo and Johnny especially, thank you

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Speaker 1: guys for making the time to do this. Yeah, appreciate

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Speaker 1: And I've I don't know Johnny personally, but I've listened

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Speaker 1: big thing um down in that area. Um, if it's

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00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: a good mass year, or they'll they'll travel to find

428
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: or some places in Ohio I've hunted. I see. You know,

429
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: you're a lot of bait in Ohio. So um, they

430
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: might travel to find we're getting fed to it later

431
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: in the year. That's the thing that will vacuum the

432
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: deer out of the woods. Um not. Some of the

433
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: big bucks are just loaners. They'll stay up in the

434
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: up on the mountains if there is a corn crop.

435
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: But some of the deer maybe if it's a bad acorn,

436
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: and then like there might be someone feeding them, or

437
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: it might be some type of ad nearby that will

438
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: kind of pull them dear that way later in a year.

439
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: But uh so, yeah, that's what I got through you there,

440
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: all right? How about do you bow anything anything else there? Yeah?

441
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: I mean I think Johnny covered a lot of it.

442
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: But what I'll say in addition to that, I definitely

443
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: think like as you're in the you know, summertime and everything,

444
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: they're looking for more of those minerals and even some

445
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: of the newer clear cuts that have a lot of

446
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: green on them, uh, that are growing up there browsing

447
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: a lot, and as you get into the beginning of

448
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: hunting season, so when you're kind of focusing on it

449
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: in October, if you can find a black cherry crop,

450
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: that is incredible, But they don't seem to last very

451
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: long on the ground, so it's a short window of

452
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: time where those can be good apple trees that you

453
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: can find in some of the bottoms that's that can

454
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: be a really great thing to find, especially if you find,

455
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, alone tree or an old orchard. You know,

456
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: a lot of places through Pennsylvania there was little towns

457
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: in a lot of these places that are um that

458
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: are actually public land now and they have planted a

459
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: bunch of apple orchards. So you can find a bunch

460
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: of apple trees there, and then you know, as you

461
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: and acorns obviously, but not not all areas that are

462
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 1: in the mountains have oak trees in general. And actually

463
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: I've found that areas that don't have oaks, they can

464
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: be tougher to figure out exactly what they're feeding on

465
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: because they're browsing more. But at the same time, they're

466
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: more consistent year after years their spots that don't have those,

467
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: I find more consistent trail cam data. I could hunt

468
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: some of the similar spots year after year, and there

469
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: are a lot more consistent than an area or deer

470
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: relying more on acorns that they might you know, if

471
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: this one ridge, you know, it was covering acorns this year,

472
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: but a mile over was the next year, then they

473
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: might you know, move quite a bit. So that all

474
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: depends and and even so like the biggest thing I'm

475
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: looking for is the diversity of it and having a

476
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: lot of brows. Like Johnny said to me, you know,

477
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: they'll dig up firms, ferns, eat the bulbs off, like

478
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: the dig a whole bunch of stuff, BlackBerry briars, um

479
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: and and logging cuts. I mean, logging cuts are huge

480
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: food source depending on the age, but really at any age,

481
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: logging cuts have some sort of a food source. That

482
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: just depends on which ones and and for me, I

483
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: like to focus on the ones that are a three

484
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: to eight year old range because they got brows that

485
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: are you know, growing up, you know enough where they

486
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: can feed a decent amount. And and then also um,

487
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: so that's kind of as you get through the hunting season,

488
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: and then as you get into like a later season,

489
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: the fresh logging cuts either brand new up to three

490
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: years old seems to really bring them in one because

491
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: it's getting a lot of sunlight and you got some

492
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: say tops that are laying down that they'll browse on. Um.

493
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: It almost acts as a as a food plot for them.

494
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: And that in those later seasons, and you know, and

495
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: if it's a really cold year as you get in

496
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: the hunting season in January. Any areas around spring seats

497
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: while everything else is kind of frozen tougher than the

498
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: dig they can dig it up because it's softer, they

499
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: can get to it um more greens, as Johnny said.

500
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: There So that's that's important. And another important thing to

501
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: note about food is not all areas and the mountains

502
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: are created equal as far as food goes. You know,

503
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: you get in some of the places like I've hunted

504
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: in southern Ohio or even in north central Pennsylvania, we

505
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: have you get these giant it just seems like most

506
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: of it's just oak trees, and if you don't have

507
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: good acorn crop, it's tough on the deer and there's

508
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: not much under brows. And I'm not a biologist, but

509
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: from what I've read, they call a lot of those

510
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: areas old heath forests, which means like the soil is acidic,

511
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: so it's not producing a lot of that good undergrowth

512
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: that comes up for them to feed on. But brows

513
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: is definitely probably their their primary diet when it comes

514
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: to that. But would you call that old what forest?

515
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: Old heath h E A t H. And I'm again

516
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I don't know much about them,

517
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: but that's just I've been doing some research on trying

518
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: to figure out why these types of forests look a

519
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: certain way or why some of them grow a certain way.

520
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: And and that was one of the things that I've found.

521
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: And you know, some of the areas I've scouted with Johnny,

522
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: we've noticed, you know, I don't have much browse and

523
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: typically are rocky or the soil is just kind of

524
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: a cidic and you get some of those like we

525
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: call on rock oaks. I'm not sure if that's the

526
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: technical term for them, but they're just they're they're not

527
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: as good producers as some of the other areas. So

528
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,479
Speaker 1: when you're describing all this stuff, I the first thing

529
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about is how do you find all of

530
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: these different random types of food sources? Right, And there's

531
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: big mountainous country, big woods in many cases, and you're

532
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: talking about brows that you know, it's hard to identify

533
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: unless you're there, and and it's not something as obvious

534
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: as oh, there's an a d acre cornfield. Of course

535
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a huge draw. It's more like, oh,

536
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: here's an oak tree, Oh, here's a certain set of

537
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: bushes oh, here's a tech acre cut um. And what this,

538
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: what this has got me thinking about is the amount

539
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: of country you try to focus on when figuring out

540
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: your strategy for the season. You know, Andy and I

541
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: here hunting in mixed egg land in Michigan. You know,

542
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: we could have a sixty acre property and an ad

543
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: a property and ten acre property and and be able

544
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: to get in on deer on any of those small

545
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: types of properties because stuff is so concentrated. There's so

546
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: many deer into small areas with great food sources and

547
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: very specific betting areas. So give me eighty acres and

548
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: I might be able to do just fine. But when

549
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: you're talking these vast expanses with food very spread, with

550
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: betting probably very spread, and with lower deer numbers, I

551
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: gotta believe that you just have to operate at a

552
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: different scale. So this is a very open ended question.

553
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: But Boat, how do you think about the scope of

554
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: the amount of land you need to work with to

555
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: find a buck? I mean, are you going to this thing? Okay,

556
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna really try to figure out this thousand acres

557
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: or I've got to figure out this two acres or

558
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: this twenty square miles what are you operating at? What

559
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: level are you operating at? Yeah, that's that's always that's

560
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: always a tough question. But if I'm looking in a

561
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: new area a lot of I mean, first of all,

562
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: and folks now where I think pressure is coming from,

563
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: and I focus on areas that are away from major cities, towns,

564
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: anything like that. That what the way I would say is, like,

565
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, your typical weekend warrior can would have trouble

566
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: getting to They'd have to make a pretty serious effort

567
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: at getting there. Luckily, you know, a lot of the

568
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: where I live at is kind of in the middle

569
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: of nowhere, so that helps with that. But from there,

570
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm looking at where I can find the most diversity.

571
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: So if I'm looking on on X and looking at

572
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: the the aerial photo, I'm trying to find where you

573
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: you can you can tell on the map um if

574
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: you're in federally owned public land. On X has a

575
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: timber cut feature, so you can actually see those. But

576
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: even if it doesn't, you can see different timber cuts,

577
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: and then you can also kind of see where the

578
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: hemlocks are, and then you can see where there's more

579
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: like say, bigger trees. You can't you can't really tell

580
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: the brows a whole lot from looking into aerial map,

581
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: but usually timber cuts have brows in them, and depending

582
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: on the way the photo looks, you can you can

583
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: estimate the the age of that cut and to be

584
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: able to look at it. But I'm looking for the

585
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: most habitat or habitat diversity and trying to be able

586
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, what the the vegetation looks

587
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: like from afar, and then I'll narrow it down and

588
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: try to get in there in the spring and actually

589
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: walk it. And I know that's not always possible um

590
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: as far, especially if you're traveling from out of state,

591
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, I think the most important thing is getting

592
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: boosts on the ground. So even if you have say, um,

593
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, five or five or seven day rout hunting,

594
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: you're going into an area instead of just you know,

595
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: setting up on the first hot side, you see really

596
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: walking the lay of the land and figuring that out.

597
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: And because there's gonna be you know, there's gonna be

598
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: cover that's different, that looks different than um you know

599
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: that you won't see on a map app there might

600
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: be a small patch of something, and then how I

601
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: correlate that with terrain. So if you can find you know,

602
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: as you're thinking of anywhere else in hill country, anywhere

603
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: that has trained, and you think of your typical you know,

604
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: your funnels. Um, A lot of times a deer like

605
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: the bed out and around the points of the of

606
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: the mountains, and which isn't always the case, but they

607
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: like the bed out around those points. They like to

608
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: bed on the inn or on the edges of timber cuts.

609
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: So those are all things that I'm I'm thinking of

610
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: and I'm noting, and I'm trying to find areas that

611
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: compound a bunch of those features, and that's where I'm

612
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: gonna focus on. So when I get in there, those

613
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: are the areas I'm going to first. And I might

614
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: end up, you know, walking half mile or a mile

615
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: a different direction and finding something better that I didn't

616
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: see on a mass. But that gives me a really

617
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: good starting point. Yeah, that makes sense. What about you, Jenny? Yeah,

618
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: both said it great. I mean, um, it's definitely a

619
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: diverse habitat terrain or age class of the forest cuttings.

620
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: If you can see a lot happening on an aerial

621
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: onyx uh or papo there's a lot going on. Chances

622
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: are it's going to meet the needs of the deer

623
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: there because they need all they're going to utilize, utilize

624
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: all that throughout there there day or or how you

625
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: want to say it. But the first thing I do,

626
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm because I'll look at the onyx and I'll find

627
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: um where because most part I'm hunting area that's pressured

628
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: public Well it is public land, but where are the

629
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: hunter is going to be? I find that diverse area? Okay,

630
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: where's the hunter parking? Where's he coming in? At? Is

631
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: their parking spot? Um harder to access areas I'm kind

632
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,959
Speaker 1: of stuck on maybe a five square mouth area now

633
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: that I've been into for six eight years. Uh. Some cuttings,

634
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: some roads cutting through it, kind of flat gradual um

635
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: feet in elevation change, kind of a plateau um. But

636
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of this beach brush in these areas

637
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: and under saplings that grow up that make a lot

638
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: of cover that you can't see from on it. So

639
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: you want to get them boots on the ground. But

640
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: also what I'm learning now is a lot of guys

641
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: are starting to hunt this public land. These mountain deer

642
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: in an area that I was hunting five years ago.

643
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 1: That was like a mile and a half walk gated

644
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: road all the way back and out on the point

645
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: of this mountain goes out around and I had good

646
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: luck out there with deer and that's why I seen

647
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: the biggest buck that would go there. And then in

648
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, i'd run cameras. I didn't

649
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: even hunt there. I just run cameras randomly, and I

650
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: get more hunters and more hunters, and it seemed like

651
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: people were going to these It wasn't. It was time

652
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: consuming to walk there half hour or so forty five minutes. Um,

653
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: it was a pretty gradual trail, easy to get to,

654
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: and um, these people are starting to go that I'm

655
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: gonna get back in there. And so this year I

656
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: kind of started hunting halfway back and that's where the

657
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: bucks were hanging. They weren't and I walked the logging

658
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: road out and seeing cameras, seeing stands in the sign

659
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: would fall off like I could really see sign, you know,

660
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: fresh shine, uh, dear ship tracks, rubs, you would see

661
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: the screens, but um, prior to the the yearlings. But the

662
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: bigger deer are really they really know their area and

663
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: the hunters are pretty typical at what they do, and

664
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: they're onto them like white on rice these deer nos.

665
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: So that's exactly what I'm looking for. But you've got

666
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: to have the boots on the ground or at least

667
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: get to an area, drop a bunch of cameras and

668
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: see I'm not just looking for the deer. I'm looking

669
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: for the hunters. See how they're going, where them guys

670
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: are hunting. And but that's the biggest thing, like both said,

671
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: the diverse diversity. You know, it has a little bit

672
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: of everything happening, a little bit of everything. Terrain, Um,

673
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 1: so now he's deer. And then like I said, yeah,

674
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: hard to reach location, um, and maybe where the wind

675
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: So maybe the winds blown in one direction a lot.

676
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: It's hard. You might have to go down over this

677
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: mountain and come back up this other mountain. Just the

678
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: access said well, um, because most of the people will

679
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: maybe go straight to that spot. And the deer is

680
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: onto the hunters. They know they're onto the gig the

681
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: gigs up. So I kind of do different things than

682
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: what the normal hunter does because pretty much, um, they're

683
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: onto you, the mature deer that are living there. Um.

684
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: So That's the biggest thing I try to find is

685
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: all the pressure it is affecting this deer. Because if

686
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't for the pressure in these areas, you can

687
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,479
Speaker 1: hunt that rub. That's great, and they would they would

688
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: probably can hunt the sign a lot better because they

689
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: won't be as nocturnal or be afraid to come to

690
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: that area until right before dark or something. So you

691
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: got to kind of not take I mean, the sign

692
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: tells you the deer is there, but if the pressure

693
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: is there that they're worried about survival, they're definitely afraid

694
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: to do recording and you might just be awful little

695
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: bit of that diversia. You've got to kind of figure out,

696
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of talk. And that's another thing

697
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: I like, you're always thinking. My brains always turning and

698
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: learning different year to year, different deer move into the area.

699
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: It's always evolving, the forces growing, it's changing different deer

700
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: or see it in a different way. That's why I'd

701
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: like being up there and learning and learning everything. And

702
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: then I talk about finding these little nooks. So we

703
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: found a couple of big Bucks this year and a

704
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: hundred fifty class pushing. They were kind of hanging around together,

705
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: and they were kind of in that area where the

706
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: people were going all the way back this road and

707
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: I was about half way back and there was a

708
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: calm scens and little nooks were these deer. No, they're safe,

709
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: that nobody's hitting up and uh so, I actually a

710
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, um I headed in the area

711
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: they were coming from, not where I was getting more camera,

712
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,479
Speaker 1: but just across the creek, and I did some hiking

713
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: under some big tracks. You know. I got down in

714
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: a way from the road, and I wouldn't be surprised

715
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: if he hangs out in there. A lot of lankers

716
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: in the guinning and shed hunt, but it's an area

717
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: that it's easy to overlook in an area, and really

718
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: with all the cover in the areas, now this is

719
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: area I'm hunting. So I mean an area that might

720
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: be an Ohio, West Virginia. Some open woods might be different,

721
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: but I'm sure there's a nook or theme. But these deer,

722
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: these mature deer that are um looting these humans, they're

723
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: gonna use that. You might have to get out there

724
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: and walk and hang cameras to find it. But that's

725
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: the that's the thing I find it nowadays, and it

726
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: might be like five acres or something, just noting little bit,

727
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, maybe that's what you call his bedroom, but

728
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: just knows where he's safe during a day. Then they do, Uh,

729
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of randomness to keep you know, predators, guests,

730
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: and I finally a lot of these mature bucks kind

731
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: of random movements and if you know, maybe sometimes we're

732
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: trying to hunt him through a camera and he might

733
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: be day lad a short. Um. That's what keeps them

734
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: alive is doing random you know, try to earn a winner.

735
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: And it's like I'm like, I would put a camera

736
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: here and he walks Like I'm what, why would you

737
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: walk there? That's not the path at least, you know,

738
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: But it's just how they are nomadic in a certain way. Um.

739
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: And it's just all that that I that intrigues me.

740
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: And I thought, then I did talk to us people

741
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: that probe fund scientific reason why do you do this

742
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: or that? Some say that it's there's no signs behind

743
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: by how they move, you know, But the biggest thing

744
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: I find is pressure. Um, Like even the both said earlier,

745
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: they're they're made to survive and carry on and and

746
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: their biggest predator is the human and so that's how

747
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: they're is deer get in the way of adapting to

748
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: the humans. So so on that note, then you know

749
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: that finding these little nooks, finding these little spots where

750
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: these big old bucks do feel safe in these vast environments,

751
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: it's got to be awfully hard to pinpoint that little

752
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: tiny nook out of five thousand acres or ten tho

753
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: acres or whatever the scale is that we're operating on here.

754
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: You mentioned several times trail cameras and and I've also

755
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: seen just you know, across your social media and different

756
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: things like that, you seem to be pretty prolific when

757
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: it comes to how you use trail cameras and the

758
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: information you turn up. Can you just detail how specifically

759
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: you're using cameras in these environments, because I know it's

760
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: different than what I'm doing here in southern Michigan or

761
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: Iowa or whatever. You know, how many cameras are you

762
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: running across these landscapes? You know exactly what kind of

763
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: spots are you putting them on? You know, what is

764
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: the key information you're trying to get. I'd love to

765
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: understand all that detail. Definitely, scrapes are a big thing.

766
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: I think communicating a kind of mean bow hunt. UM.

767
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: Definitely have them on them, and sometimes there's a lot

768
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: of hunters. I try to get them up the three

769
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 1: and I always try to honestly, as opposed to when

770
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: I was twenty years old. I stay away from trails.

771
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: There's not so many trails up in this series because

772
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of like we're kind of roam UM, so

773
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: I try to stay away from true now if i'm

774
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: looking for them, a trure animal, but definitely scrapes and yeah,

775
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: like that milk I'm I'm talking about um. And then

776
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: a lot of times, since they are nomatic, i'll put three.

777
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: Can't tell people don't depend on one camera trying to

778
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,479
Speaker 1: get three or four, and I try to. I don't

779
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: like to get a broadside shot at a deer because

780
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 1: a lot of times your truser won't catch it trying

781
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: to get if he's walking. I don't like a straight

782
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: on maybe like on the Stooty five kind of UM

783
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: broadcast with camera. But every time I go in the woods,

784
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: i'll take well we're onto hiking, I'll take two or three.

785
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: I'll just pm around my waist. Sometimes i'm pressure with Tom.

786
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: I just want to run in the woods and look around.

787
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: I'll take two or three, because if you take one,

788
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: you end up I've done it. Your walk look for

789
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: the best spot, and you get back to the truck

790
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: and you just throw about your camera. So I try

791
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: to take a leach too. Then you could drop one

792
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: and find a decent law. But um, as far as

793
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: where I guess maybe um um kind of more of

794
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: a a little bit of a pinch that's kind of

795
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: where he has to walk, but it's usually not narrowed

796
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: down to like like a trail. I just kind of

797
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: feel like he's going to move through here, whether it's covered,

798
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: he's going to gravitate an edge. Um, but definitely scrapes maybe.

799
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: And I found sometimes rubs aren't always scientific to the

800
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: point where he's there A lot. I find sometimes like

801
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: he put it on rubs, and how do you know

802
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: he didn't just kind of um make those rubs out

803
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: of anger one time he come through and he might

804
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: not ever come back again. But that's they're all individuals,

805
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: and they might be claiming that terror reporters. Sometimes I

806
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: think they put rubs there because they're not actually there

807
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: as much as they want to kind of mimic them

808
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: being there by putting the nine puss there um, and

809
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: he might be somewhere else. Um, but it's weird. I

810
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: find there's a lot this year. It just gonna be good.

811
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: This is gonna put cameras here. I got him, I'm

812
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: gonna get him on camera, and I'll leave it go,

813
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, getting into October. I'll let it go a

814
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: week or so. I want to see what's there, and

815
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: I like to check my camera. Sometimes I check him

816
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: at night. I don't want to ruin the spot if

817
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: it's maybe they're cutting. I feel like the winds blown

818
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: in there. Um. I'll wait two nine o'clock at night

819
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: because I feel like they're they're guard for humans. There's

820
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: probably never been pressured at night by humans, and it's

821
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: kind of like whatever. But I'll check cameras at night. Um.

822
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: But I found this year a lot of would put

823
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: cameras maybe like a scrape or leaving to rubs, and

824
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: he's coming through here, and it's I feel like the

825
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: spots like put cameras and thought i'd see here. This year,

826
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: I didn't get anything. I spotsors I'll just throw in here,

827
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: and it turned up dear so trying to get a

828
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: bunch of came Um, like in p a team twenty

829
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: of them, I'm running. Um. But the more you have,

830
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: the more knowledge of the game by getting them out

831
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: there and just learning and seeing what's there, because like

832
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: I said, I don't I think it's going to be

833
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: a good spot in here. It's the bucks, then the

834
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: other spot. Then I start putting pieces through the puzzle

835
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: together and the one do a hunt a dishes. It's

836
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: kind of he was here in September and then my

837
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: cameras up and on octoberver it was a clear FECh.

838
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: Guy started hunting there and he disappeared and then he

839
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: was hitting this one scrape and I actually set up

840
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: on him one morning and I screwped them out of there,

841
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: and then um, he gradually moved downstream, so he like

842
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: started here, and I think it was all because of hunting.

843
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: Sure that this gear adapted his lifestyle through the hunting season,

844
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: but UM, I just feel like the more you're seeing,

845
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it is a buck bet or it's hard.

846
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: I guess it's kind of hard to explain that if

847
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: he got two or three cameras, you go out there

848
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: and you know, you find a sign just putting cameras up. Um,

849
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: if you just got a hunch, sometimes it's you make

850
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 1: mind that seeing that edge. Maybe. UM. I can't really

851
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: describe because it's all it's like a feeling. Um, it's

852
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: not all has the same type of thing, you know.

853
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: It's just how they feel because they don't. That's how

854
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: they are wired. It's how they feel. This feels good.

855
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move from here. I don't I don't see

856
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: any hunters in here. And actually the deer issue was

857
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: walking out on the logging road that went all the

858
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: way back from that point where them guys hunting high noon.

859
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: It was seventy degrees and fifty yards off that longer

860
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: I had it off that longer road. I had to

861
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: deep stord and it was me and I thought about bogus. Um.

862
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: I was walking out on that logging road. I was

863
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: walking like a human. And I know it was one

864
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: of the big hunters being here. Was in there maybe,

865
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: but he was let me fifty seven yards. He was pissed.

866
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: He knew that at me every time I walked because

867
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: in his head, I think he wanted to cross that

868
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: longer road. It was like, that's a human. It just

869
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: pissed him off, but he knew that he was safe,

870
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: and they're fifty years that the scene and knew people

871
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: walked out. But it's just it's just wild to be

872
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: around him and experience that. Every time, ever, I stopped

873
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 1: and looked old enough, and then I walked like a human,

874
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: and just the noise of a human walking through the

875
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: leaves just irritated him. And he was like kind of

876
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: above most of them, the hunters, and I'm sure he's

877
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: still out there now. And then, um, but yeah, every

878
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: time I started walking like him, and he just like

879
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: pissed snore at me, and it was that's where he

880
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: was along the bucks moved or in high high noon,

881
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: you know. But a lot of randomness. I mean, you know, Mark,

882
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: you I could go on and just take one story

883
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: into another and keep talking. But um, yeah, you know,

884
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: if I get lost, I'm like, where was that? I

885
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: can relate to that, Johnny, I can relate to that myself.

886
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: Uh it's funny you talk about how these deers sometimes

887
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: just get lost themselves in in that. I mean, their

888
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: movements are random. It's it's hard for us to pin down,

889
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: and uh god, I wish they'd be more considerate of

890
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: us and make things more simple, but they don't. Uh bow,

891
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: What about you when it comes to cameras, What's what's

892
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: your take on that specifically? So I do run a

893
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: lot of cameras, and I do weigh a lot of

894
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: input on cameras. But I have I have kind of

895
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: a couple of different strategies. So if I'm I'm hunting

896
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: a brand new area and this is my first time

897
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: going in, UM, I typically try to put cameras at

898
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: different elevations and then also around different vegetation type features.

899
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: So but them are on scrapes. So I'll definitely say that,

900
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: and that if that's any time of the year, So

901
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: whether that's in the summertime, um they'll still work those

902
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: looking branches. I usually spray like a foehead Gillian sent

903
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: on it, and um they'll they'll work those looking branches

904
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: just about year round. But so I'll try to get

905
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: different elevations to be able to to learn it. And

906
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: a lot of times I won't even hunt that area

907
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: the first year, so I'll just run cameras, leave them

908
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: up all year, come back this time of year and

909
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: pick them up and try to learn from it. So

910
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: I'll try to spread them out quite a bit. And

911
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: then as I get to focusing on these these areas,

912
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: say I find a specific buck, like this past year,

913
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: I was hunting um, a specific dear that that was

914
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: just it was incredible. And but after I ran and

915
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: I think it was thirteen cameras in this area, I

916
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: ran a lot more than normally would in a new spot,

917
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: but I found a shed in the spring, so it

918
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: made me want to want to try to learn a

919
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: little more. And out of all those cameras, and I

920
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: had them not that far apart, like some of them

921
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: would only be forty yards apart, but it was on

922
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: a different elevation down below UM on a different scrape.

923
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: I ran a lot of well, I didn't run a

924
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: lot of camera that ran a couple of cameras on

925
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: some big signpost rubs, which is something that was kind

926
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: of new to me this year. But I found I

927
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: had really really good results from a few of these

928
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: specific rubs. And what I learned about this deer was

929
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: he was only using a certain portion of it, and

930
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of hunting pressure, but the hunting pressure

931
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: was on the top and also from the bottom. So

932
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: on this steep side hill that was just thick hemlock cover.

933
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: You can't you know, when I would when I would

934
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: hunt in there, you can't see more than twenty yards

935
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: in any direction. And there was three cameras that that

936
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: deer focused on that was there quite a bit. So

937
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: now like going in to this year, what I would

938
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: do is cluster more cameras, you know, trying to figure out,

939
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, where he might be living, at least for

940
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: during the hunting season. And so maybe I might stay

941
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 1: around those elevation lines, but move down the ridge further

942
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: and you know, put some more and try to you know,

943
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: get more consistent daylight photos, um more stuff like that.

944
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm focusing around different train features and and

945
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: then also vegetation features that I talked about and but

946
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: scrapes to the majority of it. And then if I say,

947
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: if I know of an area, say there's a timber

948
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: cut that, um, I don't know anywhere from ten to

949
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: twenty years old, it's growing up quite a bit. They

950
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: tend to like to bed in those types of areas.

951
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: I'll run cameras on the inside of those, on some

952
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: of the logging trails where there's um, where there's you know,

953
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: say I find a big community types great big linking

954
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: branch broke off, I'll run him in there. And a

955
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: lot of times hunters will have trouble hunting in those

956
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: areas because there's not any good trees to get in

957
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: because they're not big enough to put a tree stand

958
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: in but there, but they still they provide a lot

959
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: of cover and security for the deer. So I'll run

960
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: them closer to those betting areas and just I won't

961
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: check them unless i'm you know, specifically hunting them. But

962
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: cameras are a huge learning tool for me personally. And

963
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: what I'll do with with that data is I'll take

964
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: all my cameras for the year, and I have like

965
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: a um it's a Google sheet, so like an Excel

966
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: spreadsheet essentially that I'll I write down the location, the

967
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: specific location that I had it on. They all the

968
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: general area at the specific location. Say I say I'd

969
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: name it Hemlock Side Hills great, and then I have

970
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: the buck identification how I would kind of either name

971
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: it or figure out a way to identify that deal

972
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: And now write down the date, time, weather, wind directions,

973
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: and anything else that might be prevalent to it. It

974
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: just kind of keep a running log of that. So

975
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: if I'm hunting a specific deer, you can learn a

976
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: lot by doing that, because I've found that even when

977
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: I run a lot of cameras don't get this information.

978
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: It goes in and out of my head just as

979
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: fast as a lot faster than I like, and I

980
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: don't remember all of it. So for me, by writing

981
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: that down or typing it up, I guess it helps

982
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: me to be able to review it and learn because

983
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: you know you can you can definitely have success. Uh

984
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: and you know in your first year hunting a spot,

985
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: but that historical data from cameras is is huge. If

986
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: you can hunt an area, you know, multiple years in

987
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: a row, you can learn so much and and and

988
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: you have to take that a little bit with the

989
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: grain salt because you know, as food sources shift and change,

990
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: and like we mentioned, you know earlier about saying there's

991
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 1: not any acorns. If that area had acorns, all those

992
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: things can change. But it's, you know, an odds multiplier.

993
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: It's helping you gain some more knowledge that you wouldn't

994
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: have had otherwise. So I'm running in Pennsylvania alone, I'm

995
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: running probably around I think just over thirty cameras right now.

996
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: So let me run an assumption by you guys and

997
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm right or wrong. Here. Uh, it's

998
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: my assumption as I'm hearing you guys talk about these deer,

999
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: that these bucks are being that they're relatively nomadic, as

1000
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: you guys have described that when you're running trail cameras,

1001
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: you're not really getting a specific pattern like you might

1002
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: get by me here. I might be able to tell

1003
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: you based on trail cameras or observation that man, this

1004
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: buck is gonna come walking over this creek crossing every

1005
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: other day or three times a week or something. Maybe

1006
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: you can't get that level of a pattern on these

1007
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: deer because their range is so vast and their food

1008
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: embedding is so diverse that they're much more random in

1009
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: those movements. So a is that correct? And then be

1010
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: assuming that's correct? Is the main thing you're trying to

1011
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: get with these trail cameras simply confirmation of their general

1012
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: presence at the time of year. So can you just confirm, Okay,

1013
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: the big eight pointer is back in the area. And

1014
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: if I know he's back in the area, I'm gonna

1015
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: hunt this general region because he's here. Is that the

1016
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: case or do you actually nail down like he's coming

1017
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: through here this specific spot for this specific reason and

1018
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: you pattern to that level of detail. Does that make sense? Bo, Yeah,

1019
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: it does, and your assumption is right. There's I personally,

1020
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: maybe Johnny has a different opinion on it, but I

1021
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: have not been able to pattern a specific dear to

1022
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: the level of I know he's gonna come by this spot, um,

1023
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, every three days. So like so, what I'm

1024
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: trying to do is get the general area. And so

1025
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: if I'm looking at the specific hunting season, what I'll

1026
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: take like that data from saying i pull my camera

1027
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: in mid October and I'm gonna be hunting the following

1028
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,479
Speaker 1: week or whatever that is. It depends on that type

1029
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: of time of year, on how I would hunt that.

1030
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: I might you know, hunt that specific spot. You know,

1031
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: maybe it's a good scrape that's he in October and

1032
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm hoping he's gonna come by again. But a lot

1033
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: of times, like you said, I'm just trying to confirm

1034
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: he's in the area. And you know, say I had

1035
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: that picture October and I'm in there on November one. Well,

1036
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna focus more on this dope betting area that

1037
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: might be a quarter mile away that has some similar

1038
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, he has the security and is what's on

1039
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: his mind right now, which is the does so those

1040
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: are So that's how I'm kind of using in that data.

1041
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: And then so that's for the specific season. If I'm

1042
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: using it, say I had the camera picture this year

1043
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at it next year, one of the

1044
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: things I'll pay attention to is the time of year

1045
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: that he came through, the specific date, and but more

1046
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: importantly is the the weather and any other conditions that

1047
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: might make, you know, make him repeat himself or maybe

1048
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, during this four days stint, you know, every

1049
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: year from November four to seventh, he might go back

1050
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: to this area, check this specific dope betting area or

1051
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, or that that you know, he

1052
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: comes to the scrape in the third or fourth week

1053
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: of October. There's a lot of guessing that goes into it.

1054
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: But I try to use that data and then also

1055
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: my knowledge for the of the area to give my

1056
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: you know, I guess my my best guest as to

1057
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: how I would set up in that in accordance to that. Okay,

1058
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: and what about you, Jenny yeah, I think it's more,

1059
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: um a confirmation that the deer exists. But there is

1060
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: i'd say a little more of a pattern when you're

1061
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: into the middle and October, when it's the hunting pressure

1062
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: is lower in these bigger areas and these vast mountain

1063
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: mountainous or breezons or whatever you wanna call them, um,

1064
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: and there's the does aren't heat, they're just kind of

1065
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: they're gonna hit these scrapes to where that one big eight.

1066
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: I had him hitting the scrapes pretty regularly right around dark,

1067
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: just after dark. But it was like he was the thermals.

1068
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: I know, we're coming to Daryl getting drawn down this drainage,

1069
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: and it's like, I just want to cry because I'm like,

1070
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: when he's on this type of pattern, he's doing it religiously,

1071
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: not I mean like clockwork. But I'm getting some decent

1072
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: pictures from every couple of days come out of these scrapes.

1073
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: And because he got the odds are in his favor

1074
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: and that's what he wants and that's what he lives

1075
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: by having the odds in his favor. So that was

1076
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: I didn't really hunt there. I kind of got in there.

1077
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: Then I got in the door or rut and you

1078
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: know what, he never in touched the scrapes, you know.

1079
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: So it's like and that's this is a new deer

1080
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: that I had found this year was a place I

1081
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: found shed hunting last year. So I'm just learning about

1082
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: this animals like a whole new world, you know, a

1083
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: whole another deer, but the the other one I was

1084
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: kind of after this year. Just for example, that two

1085
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: here that um I was running cameras trying to chase

1086
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: is was that older more mature uh, nine year old

1087
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: eight year old to where um I had some pictures

1088
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: of them. This is going on four years now, and

1089
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: I had him in this one area, UM he was

1090
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: three or four years old, really aggressive, had the whole

1091
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: clear cut, rubbed up beds everywhere. And I mean the

1092
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: first time I hunted and had my bow back on,

1093
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm probably a hundred forty class three or four year old.

1094
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: Just really a lot of test tossed their own aggressive

1095
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: deer and UM claim that area more of like a

1096
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: twenty year old human, uh that has a lot of

1097
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: a young guy that has a lot of maybe wants

1098
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: a fight or something comparable to that. Where the next year,

1099
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: UM I went in there, and he just said he

1100
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: wasn't there, So you can kind of their individuals are

1101
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: differency and kind of use year to year knowledge from

1102
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: your cameras and you're hunting um. So the next year

1103
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: I went in there, and but it didn't happen because

1104
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: he disappeared, he moved. I didn't catch him until two

1105
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: years later. I picked him up and then I started

1106
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: following him again. It was because the deer die off

1107
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: a jockey for positions and where they feel more comfortable,

1108
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: where they want to live, and all this is going

1109
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: on out there. And and but once you get to

1110
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: sometimes in that groove around six seven eight, you can

1111
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: kind of get a little more patterned, like so this

1112
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: eight point I was hunting this year. I caught him

1113
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: up in this clear cut and then he kind of moved.

1114
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: He's worked his way downstream, like further away from humans

1115
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: as the season went on, and he's up in that

1116
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,439
Speaker 1: clear cut and I never I didn't hunt it because

1117
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: it was early in October. Then he caught him in

1118
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: that one day I spoke to him to further downstream,

1119
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: like November, he come in. I thought at first it

1120
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: was like the first time I really started hunting rot

1121
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: and I had him right there, and um the wind

1122
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: just swirled hit him and he took off. But I

1123
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: think I could use the knowledge I have for my

1124
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: cameras and my hunting this year because I feel like

1125
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: in his age, I feel like he's gonna be there

1126
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: next year, and I kind of can kind of know

1127
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: where to hunt him throughout the season to catch him.

1128
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: But as far as the cameras are considered, UM, I

1129
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: can maybe pattern, like both said, maybe within a time

1130
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: zone a few four or five days, I might be

1131
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: able to catch him here because um data that I

1132
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: collected from this year, Like I said, you get to

1133
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: that three, four or five year old age, it might

1134
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: they're not really mature yet. They're still kind of maybe

1135
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: learning their area and where they want to live. But

1136
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: like that big a point this year, Um, like I said,

1137
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: he kind of sit the scrace. But when he started

1138
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: doing that, God's word really in his favor. You couldn't

1139
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: even hunt him. But mainly confirmation that the deer is there,

1140
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: and then I try to find this kind of away

1141
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: from the rest of the deer heard there but not there.

1142
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: And that's what I said. It's like a balance scale.

1143
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: I tell people, it's like, yeah, this situation and going

1144
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: this way and it's tipping the scale this way. But

1145
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: that's this situation because people say sometimes when I talk

1146
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: on a podcast, I'll say this one time, that the

1147
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: complete opposite the other time, because because sometimes you need

1148
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: to do that. You'll be using this tactic and your

1149
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: tip on the scale this way, then boom, you you

1150
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: got to go to complete opposite and do it. But

1151
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: that's why I like talking about having a lot of

1152
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: tools in your toolbox and the different you know, if

1153
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: you're changing a boat, you a twelve millimeter, but you

1154
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: know the next boat might be a three quarter inch

1155
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: or something. You need a bunch um, a bunch of information,

1156
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: bunch of knowledge to use a bunch of tools in

1157
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: your toolbox. But as far as the the cameras mainly

1158
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: confirmation and um. But like I said that, and I

1159
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: tried to grab a take away from the rest of

1160
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: the herd because they aren't they don't see themselves as

1161
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: a yearling and too like they're their own individual um.

1162
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: Animals leave mature deer and they lived differently to survive

1163
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: and carry these rocks. So he hold on, mark, if

1164
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: I could step in here for a second. I wanted

1165
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: to bring up a point that Johnny kind of um

1166
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: what he was talking about there. I mean, Johnny, I

1167
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: mean that was a similar situation. I hunted with Johnny

1168
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: this past year and actually killed my buck, which is

1169
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: a buck that he had a lot of history with

1170
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: and going in there. He had brought up you know

1171
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: about this, dear, and you know two years ago of

1172
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: trail camera data you know, in in and around those dates,

1173
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, spending time in that area. Remember, John, we

1174
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: were talking about that when you were you were showing

1175
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: me pictures of the buck end up killing when he

1176
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: was in that area a few years in the path

1177
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: around that time of year, but he had disappeared for

1178
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: a couple of months and you know, kind of going

1179
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: on some of that historical data there, mm hmm, Yeah, definitely.

1180
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: It's amazing how that was. It was. It was a

1181
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: little bit of a better acorn crop down low and

1182
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: years I knew he was there on that point and

1183
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: around that mountain. It was hard to get to and um,

1184
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: he had a lot of odds in his favor. Was

1185
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: that was a pretty rugged area, good elevation. UM's not

1186
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: many people when he had covered he just um, He

1187
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: doesn't sit and think in his head, Okay, this is

1188
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: what I need, like you checking the checklist. It's the

1189
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: feelings he gets as he lives through his life. What

1190
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: he needs as security is the food cover and and

1191
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: that's Um. And like I said, it's all about getting

1192
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: the odds. He has the odds in his favor most

1193
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: of the time, and you've got to find that angle

1194
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 1: on them to get the odds in your favor. Yeah,

1195
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: that historical doubt on that dear Bow got Um told

1196
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: us he was there and actually had a camera running

1197
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: a couple hundred you canden a couple hundred yards from

1198
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: rebumped them, and it was a cell cam. I ran,

1199
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: I didn't have a picture. It was a big scrape

1200
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: on his point, like you would think he'd hit it.

1201
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: I had him a couple of times in October game

1202
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: in November, Dever caught him on that big scrape. There

1203
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: was like four scrapes right on this point within ten

1204
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: fifteen yards of each other, and him a couple of

1205
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: times in November. Then I think Bow got his deer.

1206
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: Was I don't know it was December Bow that you

1207
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 1: shot your deer. I didn't even have him on and

1208
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: I know he was he was laying within a hundred

1209
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: two hundred yards And that's great. Just tell you like

1210
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: that throws a lot out the window right carry you know,

1211
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: what do you think? Andy? Where's your head on this?

1212
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: What do you what do you want to move towards? Next? Yeah? Well, Um,

1213
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: but you touched on this a little bit. Um, I

1214
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: wanna just ask a little bit at least about uh

1215
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: buck betting. Um, you know specifically these these older books

1216
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: that you that you guys are left or after. Um

1217
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: you mentioned you know the points and you know kind

1218
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 1: of inside the edge of the clear cuts, which is

1219
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: basically what I see too down in the rugged hill

1220
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: country that I hunt. Um. Is there any other locations

1221
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: in the mountains where you're finding these older books? Bed? Um?

1222
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: And are you seeing this? Kind of maybe a two

1223
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: or three part questions so you guys can talk on

1224
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: it for a bit. But are you I know you

1225
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: guys are saying that you are seeing as they get older. UM,

1226
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 1: some historical data as far as like showing up and

1227
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: in certain areas during certain times this season, but stay

1228
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: outside of the rut, are you guys seeing um? These

1229
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: books stay relatively tight to a core betting area, um,

1230
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: during that time frame say maybe say like you know,

1231
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 1: early season, you know through you know, late in October

1232
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: or something before they start kind of venturing out more.

1233
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: Are they are they staying roughly in an area? And

1234
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,919
Speaker 1: and then also like in hill country, you know typically

1235
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: you see most of the betting on the lee side.

1236
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: Is it the same you know? Do you guys see

1237
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: that the same in the mountains or are there some variance?

1238
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 1: Is there? Um? How about you both? So yeah and

1239
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: uh yeah to a lot of your points there. But

1240
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: so the leeward the leward side of the hill, they

1241
01:10:56,160 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 1: definitely um favor to bed. Now. I will not say

1242
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: that's a that that that's what they're going to do, um,

1243
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: But a lot of times you can do that scenario.

1244
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: We just talked about with my dear from this last year.

1245
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: That's what he was doing leeward side, um, down over

1246
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: the hill. But a lot of the times, you know,

1247
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: they they like they like that thick cover, but they

1248
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 1: also like to be able to see. So whether that's

1249
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: using the terrain, say they're over on that leeward side,

1250
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: just over like where it's where it gets super steep

1251
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 1: down below and they can look at it and then

1252
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: either have some cover to their back, but they want

1253
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 1: to be able to see. And then when it comes

1254
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: to say a log and cut, um, either you know,

1255
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: towards the edge where they can see out on some

1256
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: of the big open timber, or on the interior of

1257
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: those cuts where you have like a little opening. You

1258
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: know a lot of areas we have gas wells, old

1259
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: gas wells from seventies and eighties, UM, that will create

1260
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: these little openings, or wuld be an old log landing.

1261
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,719
Speaker 1: And but they like to be able to see. There's

1262
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: there's again there's always variance, is there. But for the

1263
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: most part, I've noticed that these bucks, even if they're

1264
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 1: in a thick cover, they always have a good visual

1265
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: and more more so than the wind. I think the

1266
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: wind is huge, but I feel like they're there. Visuals

1267
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: are a huge part in that. And so that that

1268
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: would be UM. But as far as um you know,

1269
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: whether some bucks stay in there, you know, a core

1270
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: area during that time of year, or if they're spread out.

1271
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: That honestly comes down to the specific deer. I found

1272
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: deer that are more repeatable. As far as bres, I

1273
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: think they're betting. And when I say, you know that

1274
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: might be a five to fifteen acre area on what

1275
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: I would consider their core bedroom. Um, and then there's

1276
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: other deer that one deer might be bedding out at

1277
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: this point and there might be a couple of rods

1278
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: over if you days later, and that they kind of

1279
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,600
Speaker 1: move around a little bit, right. I definitely think that

1280
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: that the food is the biggest dictation of that, and

1281
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: then also their own personality and how they they kind

1282
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: of react. But if you had an area that has

1283
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of different food and it kind of meets

1284
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: all their needs, they don't typically want to go just

1285
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: venturing out outside of the run for for no good reason.

1286
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: That's just again some of my experience with it. How

1287
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: about you, Johnny. Anything they had there yeah, um, both

1288
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: said a pretty good definitely a visual in their mind.

1289
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: They got an escape route um planned if something comes

1290
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: in UM. And like I said, I don't think they

1291
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: sit there, okay if someone comes this way around that way,

1292
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: but they just can feel it. Um. Definitely maybe some

1293
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: coverage from back and see out front. And some of

1294
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: these areas that I hunted last year were really rugged

1295
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: down near Ohio and they goorn into the hunting season

1296
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: when the people are starting to hunt. They're in the

1297
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: heart of the rugged the ward sides down low to

1298
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,879
Speaker 1: where they might venture top when the when the thermals

1299
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: come down. UM, mainly of a visual scene around them,

1300
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of cover big a lot of

1301
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: times in them a wide open big oaks and that

1302
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: it's just a big treat. I lay up against maybe

1303
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 1: a log um And then sometimes they you know through October,

1304
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: when they're there, their feeting when the pressure is low

1305
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:34,600
Speaker 1: might be just they might just lay down for an

1306
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: hour the top of a ridge or somewhere where they

1307
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: could see. UM. But yeah, it's like both said in

1308
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: the individual preference to where like I said that one

1309
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: three year old that year he was all bedding in

1310
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: that clear cut. I haven't seen it since that's what

1311
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: he did. He felt comfortable there. Um, there was a

1312
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: lot of more flat land and it's not typical of

1313
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 1: the area I've been talking about here that I'm picturing

1314
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: my head where these eight points are don't have a

1315
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: lot of um elevation change. It's kind of plateau ish

1316
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 1: type area to where I think there's a lot of

1317
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: random bedding. Um, I'm going to really get into where

1318
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: that big eight point is here um, and hike that

1319
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 1: and maybe try to find and you're gonna watch your bed,

1320
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: um that a deer will lay down and maybe the

1321
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: leaves will be pressed down. Then it might be a

1322
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: day or two and the bed's gone, you know what

1323
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: I mean. So that's one thing to think about, is

1324
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: observe a bed and it's not going to stay there forever,

1325
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: you know. So even sometimes I ran cameras to where

1326
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:44,719
Speaker 1: I see a deer bed down in front of my camera.

1327
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 1: Then you look at didn't even see it didn't even

1328
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: look like a deer lay there. So keep that in mind.

1329
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: I've been kind of keep an eye on that. Bet

1330
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: only lasts so long. Um, So that's something to think

1331
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: about when look for beds. Why don't I see a

1332
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: lot of beds because they don't especially be later for

1333
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: an hour so and he gets up and the wind

1334
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: comes blows range and until a deer lay there. But

1335
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: definitely they just got to feel secure for the time

1336
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 1: they're laying there. For one reason or another. Odd's got

1337
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 1: to be their way, whether it's sight, smell, you know,

1338
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: we're just really thick and they're hidden. Um So yeah,

1339
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: it could be definitely a wide wider range it's it's

1340
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: hard to just keep a black and white answer, um,

1341
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: because there is a lot of different things I experience

1342
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 1: and seeing. Yeah, really well, yeah, And to add on

1343
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: that a little bit, you know, as Johnny was talking,

1344
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 1: I was thinking a little bit more like as far

1345
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: as identifying like specific areas where a deer my bet

1346
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: or a buck my bed is. Like, so when you're

1347
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: looking out at those points as leeward bridges around you know,

1348
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 1: around those points some of the this isn't always the case,

1349
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: but a lot of the times, you'll find rubs that

1350
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: are kind of on their exit trails. And typically when

1351
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: I know I'm you know, getting closer to a potential

1352
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: like kind of betting spot, the rubs will start to

1353
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 1: cluster a little more. So you start seeing them sporadic

1354
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 1: up on top of the ridge. As they start diving

1355
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 1: down over on like say a not stuff beaten down trail,

1356
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: you'll start to see them getting closer together and closer together.

1357
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: And and you don't always find a specific bed, but

1358
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: that that to me, has been one of the more

1359
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 1: consistent things that I found. Or if you're looking at

1360
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 1: like a timber cut, if you start finding a lot

1361
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:46,600
Speaker 1: of rubs on the edges of them. Uh, then you

1362
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: know that buck might be on the interior a little

1363
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: bit and and you know, so you kind of have

1364
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: an idea. I mean, I think hunting specific beds is

1365
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: is extremely difficult. And but how thing that general area

1366
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: of where they're betting and and figuring out what they're

1367
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: you know, a specific deer, what they're using more often

1368
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: than than not. And that's where you know, cameras going

1369
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 1: to play as far as you know, putting them around

1370
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: that potential betting areas on you know, big primary scrapes. Uh,

1371
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it is a rub line or whatever

1372
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: it might be. But by running cameras around there, you

1373
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: kind of figure out which ones they like to use

1374
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: more than others. But um, there's no, there's not always

1375
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 1: a pattern. But if you're looking at the odds again,

1376
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 1: trying to get the odds in your favor, figuring out

1377
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: that betting, you know, after understanding kind of the train

1378
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: and some of the vegetation, they're like looking for that

1379
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: sign that that leads up into that. So that's um,

1380
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 1: I guess that was just a little bit of an

1381
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: ad on I was thinking about. Yeah, so when it

1382
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 1: comes to actually hunting these deer. You know. One of

1383
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: the things again just kind of comparing and contrasting my

1384
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 1: home turf yours. You know, here it's you can clearly,

1385
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, determine dear bed in this kind of spot,

1386
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: and they're gonna feed in this kind of spot, and

1387
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: they're gonna travel in between the two. And that's usually

1388
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: pretty easy to tell where those things are happening. And

1389
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 1: you know what direction that travel is gonna happen to, right,

1390
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: because it's you know, in the morning, they're gonna be

1391
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: heading from the food back to bed. In the afternoons

1392
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: are gonna go from the bedding out to these obvious

1393
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 1: food sources. When you're hunting this big timber, big hilly country,

1394
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 1: and the bedding and feed is is so spread all

1395
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: over the place. In a lot of these cases, seems

1396
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: just the the travel pattern itself on any given day

1397
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 1: just seems like it would be so random too. I mean,

1398
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 1: I feel you could almost throw a dart at a

1399
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 1: map and say, well, he might go that way today.

1400
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 1: How do you how do you make those decisions? And

1401
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 1: it realized every time you go out there is different.

1402
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: So I realized every situation is different. So what I'm

1403
01:19:55,360 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: looking for here is insight into your decision making process.

1404
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: So not a specific thing, but like, Okay, when you're

1405
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: heading in on this kind of day, what are the

1406
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: two or three things you have to determine or answer

1407
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, I'm going to go to X spot

1408
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: because it seems like it's a harder decision to make

1409
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: where you're hunting than it is where I'm hunting. Or

1410
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's not. Maybe maybe that randomness sets you

1411
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 1: free and you don't need to overthink it and you

1412
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: just say, hey, I'm gonna go to a good terrain feature.

1413
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit it out, and what happens happens, I

1414
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: don't know. Uh but what do you think about that?

1415
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, that's that's a million dollar question. But

1416
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: when so specifically, if you're say, like an earlier scene,

1417
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: I'll kind of break it down into the season here.

1418
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: Maybe this isn't exactly how your question was worded, but

1419
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, the first thing I'm thinking about is the

1420
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 1: time of year when it comes into my decision making.

1421
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: What what are their primary focuses? What do they want

1422
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: with that? You know, security is always something that's important

1423
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 1: to them. The rut it can kind of go either way,

1424
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: but I'm looking at the time of year. And also

1425
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: you know, dear like to communicate in one way or another.

1426
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: So if I were to, if I were to put

1427
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:18,799
Speaker 1: the odds in most of the time of the year's

1428
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 1: scrapes or something that really that I focused on a

1429
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: lot near cover, near betting type of cover, I'll set

1430
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,759
Speaker 1: up on those scrapes. Um, if if the hunting pressure

1431
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 1: is higher, you know, that's something else that comes into consideration.

1432
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: Then I'm trying to figure out areas that the hunters

1433
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: might not be in, and that that doesn't mean you

1434
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 1: have to go you know, another mile in that like

1435
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, Johnny gave an example of you know, actually

1436
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: coming back closer, but that might just be that hidden

1437
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 1: nook again using Johnny's terms, but off the side of

1438
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 1: a hill or something that you know that is a

1439
01:21:55,160 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: little bit um overlooked. And and for for me, I'm

1440
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:04,759
Speaker 1: not focusing on the the amount of deer. I'm focusing

1441
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: on a certain type of deer. So there's primary scrapes

1442
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: in some of those areas that that might kind of

1443
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: funnel them through, but they also have that security so

1444
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, side hills. Um, I'm having a little bit

1445
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 1: of trouble answering this question just because of the broadness

1446
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: of the uh the situations in the time of years.

1447
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 1: But it's poor work on my part for giving a

1448
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: too prevate questions. I get what you're asking, it's just

1449
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: it's a difficulty answer. But I'm really I guess to

1450
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: try to sum that up is I'm focusing on the

1451
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: time of year, which will dictate what my next move

1452
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: is and and if for this direction of this question here,

1453
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: I'll just say, focusing on when most people would be hunting,

1454
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, say pre rut rut time frame, I am

1455
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: going to focus on, say the end October. I'm looking

1456
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 1: for those primary scrapes. I'm looking at the scrapes that

1457
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: have the security that they're gonna work in daylight or

1458
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 1: have the potential work in daylight close to that bedding cover.

1459
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 1: And then as it gets into more of the rut

1460
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: time frame, you know, beginning in November into the second

1461
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:25,679
Speaker 1: week in November, I'm focusing more on the doughe bedding areas,

1462
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 1: which typically is in more of that thicker cover and

1463
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 1: hunting the edges of that and the wind is never consistent.

1464
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 1: But I try to again use what are gonna be

1465
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 1: the best odds for the wind. I'm not a person

1466
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,560
Speaker 1: that that hunts solely. Like you say, if there's a

1467
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 1: um the wind starts shifting, I'm not going to climb

1468
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 1: out of my stand. It's it's going to shift. That's

1469
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, can you blow a deer out? Yes, but

1470
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: I'd be bouncing around from tree to tree all day

1471
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: if that was what my mindset was with it, so

1472
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: focusing on, you know, the the edge of those dope

1473
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: betting areas. But it always, I always seemed to find

1474
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 1: a scrape in the picture. There's always a scrape around me. Um,

1475
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 1: whether that's at fifteen yards rate that I'm kind of

1476
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 1: sitting over or within the hundred yards of it, it's

1477
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 1: always kind of in my my picture there. So again, Mark,

1478
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: I apologize if I answered that question poor Lee, but

1479
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 1: that was kind of what was on my in my mind.

1480
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 1: You answered it better than I asked it, so that

1481
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 1: was pretty good. But yeah, what do I think for sure?

1482
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: He said it great? He said some good points there

1483
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 1: that I liked and the one he said was overlooked.

1484
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 1: And going back to the betting um, all the knowledge

1485
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: and I have of the area and the deer that

1486
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: I'm hunting in the area. I kind of funnel it

1487
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: down to keep hanging out here. That's the best I

1488
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: can do. It's a shame, but all them myers in

1489
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 1: the woods and all this time, And yeah, if you

1490
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: knew exactly where he was, and you could say I

1491
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: would hunt here, but you get to the point where

1492
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 1: he's hanging out here with that bedding. So and it's

1493
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 1: usually an overlooked area, like both said, but don't go

1494
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,560
Speaker 1: to an overlooked area because there's places you can go

1495
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: that are just so vast and there's no deer. It's

1496
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 1: an overlooked area that's in amongst um the rest of

1497
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 1: the deer community. You know, he has his own little area.

1498
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: And I usually don't hunt much in October because of

1499
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: my work and a lot of times I try, I

1500
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 1: gotta travel. I don't. I live at least two two

1501
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 1: now fires to these places I hunt. So for me

1502
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 1: to go up and hunt maybe an evening on a

1503
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: scrape that might take me a forty five minute walk

1504
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 1: to get to and stuff like that. So I kind

1505
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:57,679
Speaker 1: of just focused my time into November. So, like both said,

1506
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 1: talking about November rut, your odds are a little better

1507
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 1: but then again, I'm starting to see that the hunters

1508
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: are pretty uh there's a lot of hunters starting to

1509
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 1: hunt when the time is right, and the deer are

1510
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 1: just going to shift and adapt to them hunters to

1511
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: where I know this year Drner right there wasn't it

1512
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 1: kind of sucked a little bit up and he's in

1513
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm wondering in my head as a good hunters. But um,

1514
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 1: later in the year, I'm starting to in the January,

1515
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: although this year I had three different states I was

1516
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 1: hunting in January, so that was tough. But I feel

1517
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 1: like I got a better grip on where the deer

1518
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: can be found later because the pressure is low. But

1519
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: um yeah as far as um like both said on

1520
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,959
Speaker 1: that overlooked area and but it but also in amongst

1521
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 1: the rest of the deer herd, and a scrape is

1522
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 1: something that I've I've caught him on Cameron these areas

1523
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: midday because the population is pretty equal buck the dough,

1524
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 1: so it's not like there's uh so there the buck

1525
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 1: that doesn't have the dough or waiting for the next one.

1526
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 1: He might not control himself and to be checking the

1527
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 1: scrapes throughout the day. So I mean both said, are good. Um,

1528
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: I liked what he said there and that was what

1529
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 1: I could uh put into it. So yeah, and and

1530
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: Mark the one thing I would added again as as

1531
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 1: after I answered, I think of things I should have said,

1532
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 1: but there was there was you know what I was

1533
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 1: talking about the edges like of the dope betting area.

1534
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: One thing that is important to note is I've ben

1535
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: stay set up on the edge of a thicket where

1536
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 1: it was it was so thick that it was difficult

1537
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 1: to be able to shoot into. So I'd back off

1538
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 1: on the edge where I see some trails and some doughs.

1539
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 1: But a lot of the times those bucks don't want

1540
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 1: to get out in that open. They'll just be just

1541
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 1: inside that cover. So even if you can't, you only

1542
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 1: have a small window setting up to where you can

1543
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:58,640
Speaker 1: shoot into that cover, even if it's ten yards or

1544
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 1: five yards into it. Is is critical as far as

1545
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:05,560
Speaker 1: like when you're really focusing in on your setup. And

1546
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 1: and I tend to find a lot of my areas

1547
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: that I'm not able to shoot over twenty yards. So

1548
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 1: that seems to be a very uh a very uh

1549
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 1: repeatable characteristic of the hunting spots that I'm in. Is

1550
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 1: is not being able to shoot very far because if

1551
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 1: you're focusing on the more mature, mature deer that they're

1552
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: using that cover to their favor and they're they're really

1553
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 1: liking there, there's more opportunity for them to move within

1554
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 1: that cover, within that thick those thick areas then than

1555
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:43,599
Speaker 1: they are in the in the wide open. Yeah. Yeah,

1556
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 1: that's certainly something we can relate to. Uh, even out

1557
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,759
Speaker 1: here the you always want to shoot into that thick stuff.

1558
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: You know, you guys have talked a lot about, you know,

1559
01:28:54,800 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 1: up high ridges, points, spurs, plateaus, different things like that.

1560
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 1: But there's also the opposite in mountain country, which is

1561
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: way down low, the creek bottoms, the the I don't know,

1562
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: the drainage ditches, all that kind of stuff. There's a

1563
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 1: lot of different thoughts on those types of things. But

1564
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 1: in most cases, you know, those bottom areas are still

1565
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 1: areas of high deer traffic. There's deer crossing these drainages,

1566
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 1: they're crossing these creeks, um. But it's something that historically

1567
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people say, it's really hard to hunt

1568
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 1: down low because of swirling winds. Boat. Do you have

1569
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: a take or do you have anything when it comes

1570
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: to the bottoms that that you can share as far

1571
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 1: as you know how you use them, how you hunt them,

1572
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 1: if and when. Um, I've I've heard you talk about

1573
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 1: this a little bit, so I know you have some thoughts. Um.

1574
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 1: Curious to hear what those are though. Yeah, I love

1575
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 1: creek bottoms, but what I'll say is not all of

1576
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: them are created equal. And ones that have steep steep

1577
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 1: train that comes down and there's not a lot of

1578
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 1: space in the bottom, or say like a draw that

1579
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 1: goes up that has a creek, it's really difficult with

1580
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 1: the wind in those areas. Yeah, swirling winds you get,

1581
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,640
Speaker 1: it's just it's really difficult. But when you get an

1582
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: area where you get a little bit more of a

1583
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 1: flatter bottom that grows some thick cover because it's always

1584
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit marshy in there and swampy

1585
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 1: during the rut, those are some of my favorite places

1586
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: to hunt. And a lot of the reason is so

1587
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 1: once once you get those cold temperatures in November. Um.

1588
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,839
Speaker 1: One thing I'll say is I don't normally hunt bottoms

1589
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 1: is much when it's warmer. And even though you might think,

1590
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 1: oh it's warmer, they need water but the wind is

1591
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:44,600
Speaker 1: tougher to hunt at that point where you when you

1592
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:49,520
Speaker 1: have the colder weather or still days, it's not swirling

1593
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 1: as much, and your thermals are almost always consistently following

1594
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 1: that correct downstream. So I like to set up as

1595
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 1: close to it, almost over up of the water, which

1596
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 1: is difficult to be able to hear, but it gives

1597
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 1: you a consistent wind direction. And the ticket for that

1598
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 1: is that there's a lot in a lot of these

1599
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 1: areas up here will have beaver ponds that the beavers

1600
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:16,560
Speaker 1: will damn up an area the stream that are in

1601
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 1: these valleys. And if you set set up on the

1602
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 1: top end of those beaver ponds one that body of

1603
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 1: water creates its own natural funnel, so they have to

1604
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 1: either across above or below it. But if you set

1605
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:33,640
Speaker 1: up above it, your thermals are coming down down, you know,

1606
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 1: down the stream towards that pond, and when they hit

1607
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: you and they and you say, your wind and your

1608
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 1: sense going out across that water. What happens when it's

1609
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 1: cold out is that water is warmer than the air

1610
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 1: and it pulls up your scent up, so you're I

1611
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: call I feel like I'm invincible when I'm in one

1612
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: of those situations because your winds coming right at your face,

1613
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 1: hitting that water and going up and so on those cold,

1614
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: frosty more things in November. I really can't think of

1615
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 1: a better spot, because there's to to talk about a

1616
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 1: little bit more. Is you know an area that I'm

1617
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: looking at that would almost create like a So the

1618
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,600
Speaker 1: ridges would almost like create like a turkey foot, and

1619
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 1: you have these draws that run down and they all

1620
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:19,720
Speaker 1: meet in that one spot, which will create like a

1621
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 1: bigger bottom. And those areas are travel spots. So although

1622
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 1: they like to run the tops of the ridges and

1623
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 1: do all that, they're coming down at some point and

1624
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: they're crossing there. Those are spots that that I'll sit

1625
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 1: all day and I've had more luck in the middle

1626
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 1: of the day than i have first light and in

1627
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 1: in last light. So for for me, I guess the

1628
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 1: key takeaways with crick bottoms are crip bottoms are are

1629
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 1: known for having a lot of nine but a lot

1630
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 1: of people say there at night, you know you can't

1631
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 1: hunt them because of the the wind. But I almost

1632
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 1: feel the opposite on that. But you have to pay

1633
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 1: attention to the condition. Colder weather still winds and the

1634
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,800
Speaker 1: route when they're crazing. I mean, those foss a are

1635
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: money for me personally. All right, I'm convinced. What about you?

1636
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 1: Johnny is both full of it or is he onto something?

1637
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 1: Bows on it? He's the man. He's really good with

1638
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 1: thermals and wind and he's definitely right that. Uh, there

1639
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 1: is a consistency though when when it's later in the

1640
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 1: evening the thermals are long, you know, you get that

1641
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 1: just calm day and the thermals and the thermals will

1642
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:39,600
Speaker 1: come perpendictionary down the hill, but also down maybe the

1643
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 1: stream where I said that one buck, you know, I

1644
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 1: know he was. I think he was coming kind of

1645
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: up the stream to that's great, But he was coming

1646
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 1: from um the one side in particular. But it was

1647
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 1: it was kind of I don't know where on that

1648
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 1: side because it was all thick where he's m and

1649
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: and it made it difficult to hunt um that little

1650
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 1: creek bottom because I didn't chances are I was gonna

1651
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 1: be above him. Um. If I was below him, um,

1652
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 1: I was screwed. Like if I went too far down

1653
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 1: the creek, he would come above me and go to

1654
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 1: the scrape. But it was just a difficult situation. You

1655
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 1: can find the rights to switch situation where the deer,

1656
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 1: Like we're both said, if maybe a couple of points

1657
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:28,799
Speaker 1: come together a deer cross, if you find a crossing

1658
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 1: to where he's sent checking maybe what's up one in

1659
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 1: points where some does or bed, would that be a

1660
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 1: great spot to sit because you're gonna do the same

1661
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 1: thing as him. You're you're you know, he's crossing at

1662
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 1: that point where that buck that was using in thermals

1663
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 1: um coming up that creek to check out scrape. I

1664
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 1: don't know exactly, I'm sure he's popping out and random area.

1665
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 1: It was just like you can't sit at the scrape,

1666
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 1: and you know, you go fifty yards too far from

1667
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 1: where he jumps down and works that creek up, you're screwed.

1668
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 1: You know. So your odds are were pretty poor there.

1669
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 1: But there's definitely situations, um where it's you can use

1670
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 1: it to your advantage, you know, whether acrossing perpendicular um

1671
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 1: or um like he said, if it's kind of a

1672
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 1: flatter area, um, it's it's not so contained. And then

1673
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 1: that one spot, UM, I hunt a lot of them

1674
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 1: crypt bottoms and like that one bucket, you just you

1675
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:25,600
Speaker 1: can't always and it was I was right there by

1676
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: a beaver pond too, but um, I was up in

1677
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 1: the timber a little bit of swirled and it just

1678
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: it's hard to play that way. I just try to

1679
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 1: get a scent free. Like both said earlier, in these

1680
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 1: areas that we hunt up there, we'd be jumping tree

1681
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 1: to tree, you know, to try to play the wind

1682
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 1: where get your scent in the quota it is the

1683
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 1: more you're able to bundle up and hold keep that sending.

1684
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 1: In my opinion, you know, they help you with them

1685
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 1: swirling winds, and sometimes you gotta you gotta take chances,

1686
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 1: um to get an opportunity, but you don't want to

1687
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 1: over and there are situations where you can hunt in

1688
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 1: the wind and be consistent. That's a good spot, um,

1689
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 1: like the mid Less and that, but it would be

1690
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 1: careful you can you're gonna like people tell me there's

1691
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: somebody hunting there, but then you're there putting that scent

1692
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 1: and that's swirling around, so you can't be hunting there

1693
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 1: a lot. You're gonna leave a lot of cent, But

1694
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 1: you gotta take chances, you know, and always have five

1695
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 1: six spots, five six different deer places to hunt, because

1696
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 1: like that, you could one hunt, you could just screw

1697
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: up the whole place ruin that buck. So you're gonna

1698
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:32,600
Speaker 1: have a couple of areas and ideas and it's just

1699
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 1: coming back to scout and boots on the ground and time.

1700
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 1: And like I say, I live the closest piece of

1701
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 1: public land hunt that I live close to two and

1702
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 1: a half fire. So I'm kind of in a situation

1703
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 1: where UM take advantage and know all you can before

1704
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 1: you you know, you don't have the opportunity. You got

1705
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:57,760
Speaker 1: your back door and Scott you know so I think,

1706
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:01,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, that mark. I was gonna say, if if

1707
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 1: you had to guess or give me an estimate, if

1708
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 1: I asked you, all right, how many different quality spots

1709
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 1: do you have scouted and in your back pocket, let's

1710
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 1: say for the rut. If if if you had to

1711
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 1: estimate how many spots you have in your in your

1712
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 1: on X or in your mental list of spots you

1713
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:28,760
Speaker 1: can go to the hunt during the rut that are

1714
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 1: kind of scouted thought through. I bet you I got

1715
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 1: I got a lot of spots marked that I know

1716
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:40,640
Speaker 1: are good that um I don't even hunt. I have

1717
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 1: them just because I love scouting more than I do hunt.

1718
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 1: I think now that I'm older, I love learning new areas,

1719
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 1: so I do have I'd probably have ten fifteen spots

1720
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 1: in spots that will just you know, if I don't

1721
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 1: bring up my NYX and look at a pin that

1722
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 1: I forget about individuals. Sometimes I was hunting kind of

1723
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 1: these two individual deer, the one I found this year

1724
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:04,800
Speaker 1: and the one I the one I was kind of

1725
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 1: hunt a little bit. So I got like two three

1726
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:11,400
Speaker 1: bows deer, four or five individual deer, and then I

1727
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 1: also have maybe um so I got like maybe two

1728
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 1: or three spots with them deer, and so you're looking

1729
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 1: at six ten spots there and I got maybe ten

1730
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 1: fifteen just spots that, um I don't know maybe what

1731
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 1: the deer, what the actual deers living there, but I

1732
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:32,679
Speaker 1: know they are good spots. And a lot of times

1733
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:35,600
Speaker 1: when my friends come to hunt and I don't have

1734
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 1: the time to hunt all these spots, I'll put them

1735
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 1: there and they kind of helped me scalp. But the

1736
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 1: area that means bow hunt. In the area, there's hundreds

1737
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 1: of thousands of acres, you know, and there's a lot

1738
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,680
Speaker 1: of cover and there's a lot of um I do

1739
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 1: obtain a lot of spots that ances a good spot,

1740
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, and it's hard to define that spot where

1741
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 1: that's the scrape who just maybe out of the way,

1742
01:38:57,439 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 1: But I bet you yeah, I I could think of

1743
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 1: maybe twenty spots that are good and not generalized trees,

1744
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:08,400
Speaker 1: maybe just this area you know that I have there.

1745
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:12,559
Speaker 1: But then I hunt the Midwest a lot in Ohio

1746
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 1: and I got I got like I hunted Iowa Lake

1747
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 1: season this year, and over the years i've hunted there,

1748
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:22,240
Speaker 1: I got six eight spots and then I dropped cameras there.

1749
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 1: But every year is different, you know, so it's kind

1750
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 1: of like, um, it could be like a you could

1751
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:32,160
Speaker 1: just guess like roll of dice, or sometimes I'll put

1752
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 1: cameras and see what's what's there this year. So yeah,

1753
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 1: I have a lot a lot over the years, you know,

1754
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 1: twenty years whatever, how many years hunt in public land,

1755
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: religiously years six seven years of public land. But I

1756
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:45,880
Speaker 1: have a lot of spots in a lot of different

1757
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 1: stages because I I love scout and that's what I

1758
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 1: like doing so and that's why I'm not afraid to

1759
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 1: hunt with other people and send them different It's like

1760
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 1: some people That's why I like helping people. You know,

1761
01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm going here or trying to spot I ain't been

1762
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 1: there in years, but it used to be good, you know,

1763
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 1: and just see what they see, what they come up with. Yeah,

1764
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 1: it's nice to have. And that's it's such a consistent

1765
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 1: thing among the folks that we talked to. I mean,

1766
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:17,680
Speaker 1: if if you're gonna pick one consistent trait among you know,

1767
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:21,160
Speaker 1: consistent deer hunters, it's the fact that they have a

1768
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:25,240
Speaker 1: lot of good quality spots scouted out and in their

1769
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 1: rolodex of possible places they can hunt. You know, they're

1770
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 1: they're never under prepared, They're always overprepared. I mean, you

1771
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:36,160
Speaker 1: guys are clear examples. Uh Andy here on the other

1772
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 1: side of the line, he's an obvious example of that.

1773
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:41,120
Speaker 1: He's got more spots than he could hunt in twenty

1774
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 1: five years, even if you let me hunt them all

1775
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 1: to um so, So I know that that's something that

1776
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, anyone listening, if you want one simple thing

1777
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 1: to do today to get better at this and have

1778
01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:56,240
Speaker 1: more luck and more consistent success, scout and find more

1779
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 1: quality places, whether you hunt mountains or the farmland or whatever,

1780
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:03,599
Speaker 1: just scout. Scout, Scout find more spots, find more spots. Um,

1781
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's it's just it always always comes up,

1782
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 1: and it's it's one of those effort related things. So

1783
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 1: it's within each of our control. It's not something that

1784
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:15,840
Speaker 1: you have to be crazy smart to figure out. It's

1785
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 1: not something that you need to have a lot of

1786
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 1: money to figure out. It's not something that you need

1787
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:22,640
Speaker 1: a big, fancy property to do. This is something that

1788
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 1: any one of us can do. Whether you you know,

1789
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:28,800
Speaker 1: are a millionaire or you're graduating high school and you

1790
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:30,760
Speaker 1: don't have a dollar to your name, you can find

1791
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:34,000
Speaker 1: more spots and uh right there put yourself in a

1792
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:38,760
Speaker 1: better position. So, um, we're we're getting we're getting up

1793
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,760
Speaker 1: on time here. Somehow an hour and forty minutes has

1794
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:44,360
Speaker 1: got away from us somehow. So I want to I

1795
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:46,720
Speaker 1: want to wind us towards an ending here before it's

1796
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:48,639
Speaker 1: two in the morning and none of us can stay awake.

1797
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:54,240
Speaker 1: So and Andy, what do you have any final thing

1798
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 1: you want to cover with these guys or final thoughts

1799
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:00,040
Speaker 1: you want to get from Johnny and bo? Yeah, I

1800
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:04,559
Speaker 1: got I got one more question. Um, so let's say

1801
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 1: there is you know this big old buck you guys

1802
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:14,760
Speaker 1: have followed the you know, previous few years. He's he's

1803
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:17,559
Speaker 1: a big, mature dear, high scoring gear or whatever, your

1804
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:20,360
Speaker 1: dream book. You're gonna put all your eggs in one basket,

1805
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:23,200
Speaker 1: and it's let's say it's November on so you're gonna

1806
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:28,040
Speaker 1: you you you finally locate this book, you know, or

1807
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 1: he's he's showing up in this area and now is

1808
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:33,320
Speaker 1: the time to hunt him. So it's basically rut and

1809
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:37,320
Speaker 1: you know that he basically you have it narrowed down

1810
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:39,760
Speaker 1: to like a ridge system or a mountain that you know,

1811
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:41,840
Speaker 1: with a main point, a couple of main points, and

1812
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:47,519
Speaker 1: some secondary points. In your opinion or I guess for

1813
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:53,040
Speaker 1: your guys, a strategy, would you be more mobile and

1814
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 1: bouncing around two different kind of pinch it like terrain

1815
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 1: pinches and travel like benches and saddles, kind of hitting

1816
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 1: new areas, constantly moving around, or would you be more

1817
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 1: inclined to plant your butt in one specific spot, whether

1818
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's the head of a drainage, head

1819
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:17,639
Speaker 1: of the big main drainage or the major saddle coming through,

1820
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 1: or a big bench on that leeward side and just

1821
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 1: sit there day after day after day. If the weather

1822
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:31,160
Speaker 1: and wind permitted, Do you guys have uh uh an

1823
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 1: idea of what you would do in that hypothetical situation

1824
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:38,599
Speaker 1: or what you think would be most effective at getting

1825
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 1: an arrow in that book about let's start with you both.

1826
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 1: So I would say, I think, I think that's a

1827
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 1: great question. And my my response to that is I

1828
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 1: would stay in that one spot more than I would

1829
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 1: bounced around. And the reason for it is one low

1830
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 1: dear den to the two. With those sporadic patterns, you

1831
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:07,560
Speaker 1: just if you know that a buck um, say a

1832
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:10,800
Speaker 1: tro camera data is hitting this scrape or going through

1833
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:14,120
Speaker 1: this pinch or whatever, you're going to do it, eventually,

1834
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:16,800
Speaker 1: you've got to be there for it. And as I'm

1835
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 1: saying this so confidently on the line, I screw this

1836
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:22,439
Speaker 1: up more times than not because I want to bounce

1837
01:44:22,479 --> 01:44:25,880
Speaker 1: around or I lose some confidence in that. But I've

1838
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 1: learned that the the more that I do stay in

1839
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 1: those specific spots they during the rut um specifically, the

1840
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:37,439
Speaker 1: better chances that I have during it. Now, if I

1841
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 1: if I go, you know, three or four days and

1842
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't all I've seen was a couple of squirrels. Um,

1843
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:49,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be inclined to move and realize things have changed.

1844
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:53,640
Speaker 1: But for the for the most part, sitting still and

1845
01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:56,680
Speaker 1: at least giving it. Uh, you know, two or three

1846
01:44:56,840 --> 01:45:01,439
Speaker 1: days of constant you honey in those areas because you

1847
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 1: don't burn them out as quick as others spots because

1848
01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 1: there's not as many deer and you're not blowing them

1849
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 1: out going in or anything there. So that's that's my

1850
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:15,800
Speaker 1: short and sweet answer to it. All right, how about you, Johnny, Well,

1851
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:18,639
Speaker 1: it's been a while since I've had my dream buck

1852
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 1: that I've been chasing. Um. You know this public land

1853
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:25,560
Speaker 1: that we hunt, there's hundred forties, hundred fifties. But I

1854
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 1: am my goal and it's been my goal for the

1855
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:30,600
Speaker 1: last five six years at the shoot a hundred and

1856
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:33,240
Speaker 1: seventy inch on public lands where a few years ago

1857
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:36,599
Speaker 1: I had one. And now it's like where I'm at

1858
01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:40,760
Speaker 1: my hunting career. Um. I enjoy the run, I enjoy

1859
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 1: hunting with friends, and sometimes I'm impatient because I don't

1860
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 1: have that deer that I would do whatever it takes.

1861
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,720
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to. I didn't shoot a deer this year.

1862
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:54,400
Speaker 1: I had my bow back once on a deer in January.

1863
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:57,639
Speaker 1: This year, you know, and I don't care. Um, I don't.

1864
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:01,519
Speaker 1: But um, if I had that dream deer, I would

1865
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to get that deer. And like

1866
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:08,960
Speaker 1: both said, I would probably sit if I knew. Chances are, Um,

1867
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 1: the more experience you have with a deer, the more

1868
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:12,800
Speaker 1: you'll know. So if it's only a deer that I

1869
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: just found this year, and um, so actually I got

1870
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:17,920
Speaker 1: another deer that I had on camera this summer, he

1871
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:20,640
Speaker 1: was pushing one seventy and he just that's all I

1872
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:23,320
Speaker 1: got as a summertime picture. But this shed seas I'm

1873
01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:26,439
Speaker 1: going to kind of head maybe in the direction I think.

1874
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 1: So it's my if I do catch him this summer again,

1875
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,240
Speaker 1: or I find a shiit, it's gonna be a new deer.

1876
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:34,160
Speaker 1: So I might not know that much like we always

1877
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:36,280
Speaker 1: talked about, it takes years to know about these deer

1878
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 1: to where. Um, it's gonna be harder to hunt them,

1879
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 1: harder to sitting at one spot because I don't know.

1880
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:43,720
Speaker 1: But if it's a deer that I've chased for a

1881
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:45,840
Speaker 1: few years and I know him, um, and I know

1882
01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:49,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna come by this spot, I'm gonna stay there

1883
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:51,599
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do whatever it takes. It's been years

1884
01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:55,519
Speaker 1: since I've done that and wanted one bad enough that

1885
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 1: I would do that and sit because I am Maybe

1886
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:00,639
Speaker 1: I'll sit till noon and maybe i'll just do midday.

1887
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:03,519
Speaker 1: I'll go scout or whatever, because that's where I'm at.

1888
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:05,760
Speaker 1: I'm just enjoying my hunting. I'm not trying to prove

1889
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:09,479
Speaker 1: myself and that that. Yeah, I was sitting one spot,

1890
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:14,760
Speaker 1: but as long as in your head, um, like, be

1891
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:19,840
Speaker 1: optimistic with your spot, and no, it's a good spot,

1892
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:23,320
Speaker 1: but also be realistic. You say, I'm in the city

1893
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 1: here eightden days until I shoot the deer. But if

1894
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 1: you get that feeling like maybe the wind come across

1895
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:30,760
Speaker 1: the back of your neck, maybe you think he's over there. Um,

1896
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:34,400
Speaker 1: I don't take chances with the mature deer. If I

1897
01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:36,920
Speaker 1: think I screwed it up a little bit, I'll get

1898
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:40,839
Speaker 1: down and move. So. Yeah, but there are some stands

1899
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 1: that I have that the winds right. I said, Man,

1900
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 1: I could sit here every day on the southwest wind

1901
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:48,480
Speaker 1: and to be great, the chances are in the situation

1902
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 1: maybe you're going to And a lot of times I

1903
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 1: find myself getting into where these bucks are and it's

1904
01:47:56,160 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 1: risky even getting into them spots. That's a big s

1905
01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:02,639
Speaker 1: That's the whole another conversation and getting into hunting these areas,

1906
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 1: how you might blow them out, blow a deer out.

1907
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 1: But and it's if you're walking a fine line. Did

1908
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 1: I blow him out? Where did I blow maybe just

1909
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:14,720
Speaker 1: a smaller buck out as he's steal here. So it's

1910
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 1: it's really a mental game when you're you are hunting them,

1911
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:22,600
Speaker 1: those animals, whether I should stay or where I should go.

1912
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:25,000
Speaker 1: But for the most part, if if you've got him

1913
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 1: nailed down and it's a deer, or if I got

1914
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:30,519
Speaker 1: him nail down to's a deer that I want to harvest,

1915
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 1: I'll stick to that spot that I know he's gonna

1916
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:37,559
Speaker 1: come by. And but yeah, it's it's that's Those are

1917
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:40,880
Speaker 1: some great answers. Um, I've been thinking about this a

1918
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 1: lot lately. I am admittedly am a very mobile hunter.

1919
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 1: I do get a little impatient just kind of pounding

1920
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:52,640
Speaker 1: away at the same spot. But I did that this

1921
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:55,120
Speaker 1: year with my Ohio buck and it and it led

1922
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:57,560
Speaker 1: to me killing him. Um, I just felt like I

1923
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:01,040
Speaker 1: was always chasing he sent him around and now he

1924
01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:02,800
Speaker 1: was always like two or three steps ahead of me.

1925
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:05,600
Speaker 1: So I decided to just stay in one spot that

1926
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:11,840
Speaker 1: I knew he frequent um a few times this season

1927
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:15,040
Speaker 1: before UM. And then there's two other mountain hunters that

1928
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:17,360
Speaker 1: I know that you guys, I'm sure I've heard of

1929
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 1: Troy Pottinger and and Bobby Worthington. Um are both you know,

1930
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:26,479
Speaker 1: guys that are pretty stationary, you know, on the on

1931
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:29,519
Speaker 1: the mountain, um if they're after a particular book. And

1932
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:33,400
Speaker 1: I mean I've read stories of Bobby hunting like thirty

1933
01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:35,960
Speaker 1: straight days in the same tree, you know, for a

1934
01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:38,680
Speaker 1: for a specific book. The thing that I struggled with

1935
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:43,240
Speaker 1: with that, though, I think, is like you never know

1936
01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 1: if that buck comes through after dark and catches like

1937
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:50,720
Speaker 1: you know, a boot track or something like that. And

1938
01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 1: that's what's always kind of messing with my mind is like, Okay,

1939
01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:56,639
Speaker 1: I might be sitting there on the fifth or sixth

1940
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:58,400
Speaker 1: day and it's like, you know, did he did he

1941
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 1: come through and catch my ground saying? And he's never

1942
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:03,560
Speaker 1: coming now, So I just, uh, I just want to

1943
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:06,160
Speaker 1: ask you guys that, But I don't know, Mark, you

1944
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:08,760
Speaker 1: got another one for these guys before you wrap it up? Yeah?

1945
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 1: I think, Um, I think to your point, Andy on

1946
01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 1: that one, it takes a lot of confidence. It takes

1947
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:19,360
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence in like knowing that you're in

1948
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:21,599
Speaker 1: the right spot, and it takes a lot of confidence

1949
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 1: in knowing that you've been able to pull it off

1950
01:50:23,680 --> 01:50:26,640
Speaker 1: effectively all those previous days. But if you have that,

1951
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:30,599
Speaker 1: if you have that experience or that knowledge, I can

1952
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:32,880
Speaker 1: tell you that, yeah, you're you're getting away with it.

1953
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 1: It makes a lot of sense to do that. But

1954
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:37,200
Speaker 1: it sure seems hard to get to that point where

1955
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:41,559
Speaker 1: you're not constantly second guessing yourself. I could certainly see

1956
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:45,840
Speaker 1: that that being dangerous. That's definitely a good point that

1957
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:49,560
Speaker 1: the confidence. Um, if you're so confident, I've been in

1958
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 1: the situations for I'm so confident I don't care what

1959
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:56,360
Speaker 1: I did being in that tree. Um, I just knew

1960
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 1: I was going to kill a deer. So if you

1961
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 1: get to that point you're confidence is up that much,

1962
01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 1: then yeah, but all means stay there if you believe

1963
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 1: that spot, and if you believe it that much, you

1964
01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:13,840
Speaker 1: will see it just in life, you know, whatever it is.

1965
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:19,200
Speaker 1: And Johnny always that he always pumps me up when

1966
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I'm during a rout, and I'm down

1967
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:23,400
Speaker 1: a little bit, and either we'll meet up there in

1968
01:51:23,439 --> 01:51:26,040
Speaker 1: the season or text me or something. He'll be like, Oh,

1969
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:30,439
Speaker 1: you're confident, and you you know these deer better than

1970
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:33,560
Speaker 1: than anyone these deer that you're hunting. He's like, be

1971
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:36,880
Speaker 1: confident in your spots, you know, And sometimes that that

1972
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:39,640
Speaker 1: helps give you know, having friends like that give you

1973
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:41,920
Speaker 1: a little pick me up. And you do even when

1974
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:45,920
Speaker 1: you do get down on things, you know, understanding that

1975
01:51:46,439 --> 01:51:48,800
Speaker 1: you know you did the work, you kind of learned it. Yes,

1976
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,960
Speaker 1: you gotta know when to move and kind of have

1977
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:54,800
Speaker 1: that feeling. But at the same time, you know, just

1978
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,320
Speaker 1: because you had one or two bad hunts doesn't mean

1979
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:01,200
Speaker 1: it's a bad spot. And and you gotta somehow figure

1980
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:04,200
Speaker 1: out a way, depending on your personality, how to kind

1981
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:07,680
Speaker 1: of keep that confidence and and you know, you know

1982
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:10,040
Speaker 1: when you're gonna do that. Whenever I tell you know,

1983
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:13,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell Johnny good luck. He always says, I, I

1984
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:16,000
Speaker 1: don't believe in Lockwood. Well, if we get it done

1985
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:18,760
Speaker 1: this because we put ourselves in the raised spot. Yeah,

1986
01:52:19,200 --> 01:52:22,080
Speaker 1: A lots truth to that. So so I want to

1987
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:24,760
Speaker 1: end I think that's some really good stuff we cover there.

1988
01:52:24,760 --> 01:52:26,640
Speaker 1: I want to end with this one last question for you,

1989
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:32,680
Speaker 1: bo Uh, because at the very beginning Andy mentioned that

1990
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:36,679
Speaker 1: you think the best mountain hunter you know is your dad.

1991
01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:42,880
Speaker 1: And what I'm wondering to wrap us up here, what

1992
01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:47,720
Speaker 1: is the one single most important thing that your dad,

1993
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:51,479
Speaker 1: who has been this incredibly successful mountain hunter for years

1994
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 1: and years, what's that most important rule or guideline or

1995
01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:58,599
Speaker 1: piece of wisdom that he's pounded into your head over

1996
01:52:58,680 --> 01:53:00,800
Speaker 1: the years. What would that be. Let's let your dad

1997
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:05,240
Speaker 1: in this episode. I wish you'd tell me that answer. No,

1998
01:53:07,439 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 1: what I when I picked up on is just he

1999
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:13,560
Speaker 1: knows his areas like the back of his hand. He

2000
01:53:13,640 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 1: knows every square inch. He's scouts them to a point

2001
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:22,080
Speaker 1: that is, I mean, he knows these areas like no other.

2002
01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:25,760
Speaker 1: And if I were to speak for him, which I

2003
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 1: may not be doing it that the way it should be.

2004
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:32,559
Speaker 1: But he puts in a ridiculous amount of time every

2005
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:37,280
Speaker 1: single year in learning areas and also having a bunch

2006
01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:40,479
Speaker 1: of backup areas, having a bunch of spots. As you

2007
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:44,160
Speaker 1: discussed earlier, my dad, every time I talk about going

2008
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:45,800
Speaker 1: to scout in the area, He's like, oh yeah, I

2009
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:49,320
Speaker 1: hunt there too, And I'm like, what, you know, he

2010
01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:52,760
Speaker 1: tends to have a lot of spots and and and

2011
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:55,920
Speaker 1: so I would think that, you know, just the amount

2012
01:53:55,960 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 1: of time he puts in scouting. And then I guess

2013
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:02,080
Speaker 1: that I'm making this a little bit long winded. But

2014
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:06,440
Speaker 1: in the persistence side of it, like he just continually

2015
01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:10,360
Speaker 1: haunts and hunts and hunts and just goes goes through it.

2016
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:14,599
Speaker 1: And I haven't seen him come out of a November

2017
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:17,720
Speaker 1: without an archery tag field since I was a kid,

2018
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:21,840
Speaker 1: So he tends to do pretty well with that. And

2019
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm again, I'm still trying to figure out all the

2020
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:26,120
Speaker 1: details and if there's like one secret that he has,

2021
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:31,280
Speaker 1: but he doesn't always convey that to me. I'm joking.

2022
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:36,680
Speaker 1: He definitely shares a ton with me. He's a he's

2023
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 1: a funny guy. He's a he's mysterious when it comes

2024
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:42,880
Speaker 1: to it. That's a good That's a good place to

2025
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:46,800
Speaker 1: wrap it up. Good great wisdom from Papa Martinic and

2026
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:50,000
Speaker 1: uh Bow and Johnny. I just thank you both for

2027
01:54:50,120 --> 01:54:52,320
Speaker 1: taking the time to to share all this with us

2028
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:54,440
Speaker 1: and tell your stories and give us some insight to

2029
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:57,680
Speaker 1: what it's like to hunt places like this. And I'm

2030
01:54:57,720 --> 01:55:00,840
Speaker 1: excited to do more of it myself. And in fact,

2031
01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:04,080
Speaker 1: my my, uh my place out in Idaho is is

2032
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:06,720
Speaker 1: pretty similar to this type of habitat, so I'm I'm

2033
01:55:06,720 --> 01:55:10,560
Speaker 1: gonna be put it into action this year, uh in particular,

2034
01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:15,920
Speaker 1: So thank you selfishly for helping me get that done. Yeah,

2035
01:55:16,240 --> 01:55:19,360
Speaker 1: no problem, Mark, it was. It was a blast coming

2036
01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:21,320
Speaker 1: on here and talking to all you guys. I love

2037
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:24,520
Speaker 1: these round table discussions. And I told Andy that before.

2038
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:27,480
Speaker 1: I've been listening in to him and it's it's always

2039
01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:34,080
Speaker 1: creates a really good conversation. So I really really appreciate

2040
01:55:34,240 --> 01:55:39,000
Speaker 1: you having us on here, all right, and that's a rap.

2041
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:41,640
Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in, Thanks for sticking with us

2042
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:43,760
Speaker 1: on a long conversation there. I hope you picked up

2043
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,360
Speaker 1: a few things that can help with your future hunts.

2044
01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:50,360
Speaker 1: And until we chat again, thank you for your time

2045
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 1: and your attention, and stay wired to hunt.