1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Brooklyn Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: As I stated earlier, I am going to be on 4 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: vacation for the next couple of days, but never fret. 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: I have lined up a series of very good interviews 6 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: that are tackling the breaking news of this week, which 7 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: is Donald Trump finally being his home being searched for 8 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: what we believe at this time, for documents that he 9 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: should not have been in possession of. Because guess what, 10 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: there are documents that belong to the United States government, 11 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: to the American people. But that is what is being 12 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: stated right now. We do not know that for a fact, 13 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: but this is what I will say. Coming up in 14 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: today's interview is with the communications director for the Frontline, 15 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: a coalition organization that brings together a diverse coalition of 16 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: people who you know are part of a marginalized community, 17 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: vulnerable communities to our ever crumbling democracy, Leslie Mapp and 18 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: I will get into a conversation about what are the 19 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: challenges that democrats are facing right now? And I say 20 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: that because there are still many challenges that we are 21 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: facing even though there have been a series of legislative 22 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: wins that we have finally seen that we haven't seen 23 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: in this country in decades. Right, and they did so 24 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: with their fifty one to fifty margin in the Senate. 25 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: We're talking about, you know, on incredible packages like the 26 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: Inflation Reduction Act, like the Chips Package. We're looking at 27 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: things that the American people actually need. And what we 28 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: realize and what we have known here on woke a 29 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: APP is that Republicans don't give a fuck about what 30 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: it is that the American people need. They don't even 31 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: want you all to vote, right, And it isn't just 32 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: about making sure that black and brown people don't vote. 33 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: It's also going to be making sure that Democrats across 34 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: the gamut are unable to vote right, that you no 35 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: longer have a voice, that this isn't a democracy. That 36 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: we will weaponize institutions and agencies against our political opponents 37 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: and foes, as evidence by Kevin McCarthy's tweet following news 38 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump's moralago home was in fact searched by 39 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: the FBI with a lawful fucking warrant. Right. And So, 40 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: but here's the thing that we have known the Republican 41 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: Party has been showing its entire ass since their bullshit 42 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: Benghazi hearings that they did that came up with, guess what, 43 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: absolutely fucking nothing. So while they wanted to turn around 44 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: and say that, oh, the impeachment inquiries and the Mulla report, 45 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: we're all witch hunts, guess what those actually ended with 46 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: motherfucker's being indicted. Donald Trump just happened to offer up 47 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: pardons in his pardon parade that he did. But if 48 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: not for Donald Trump being pardoned, fucking a general would 49 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: be in federal fucking prison right now. I'm looking at you, 50 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: Mike Flynn, who was part of the architect and the 51 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: idea of overthrowing the government to secure Donald Trump in 52 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: the presidency for twenty twenty. You're looking at people like 53 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: Roger Stone that would be in federal prison if Donald 54 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: Trump had not offered up a pardon. Right. So, the 55 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: very idea that we continue to talk about going after 56 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: criminals as a witch hunt right when in fact there 57 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: is a pile a pile of legal evidence against them, 58 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: is just absolute bullshit. But it is the ability for 59 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: Republicans to coalesce around lies, to coalesce around their belief 60 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: in earth to to covalesce around people like Marjorie Taylor 61 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: Green who are advocating a fucking sitting congresswoman advocating for violence. 62 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: So when I say to you all this week that 63 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: I am concerned, right, I am not in necessarily a 64 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: celebratory mood. I think that the Department of Justice and 65 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: the FBI are moving in the right direction. But I 66 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: think that what also needs to be seen is that 67 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: violence is imminent because these people want it, because they 68 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: are stacking up their own personal arsenals right of ar 69 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: fifteens and whatever else they can get their fucking hands on, 70 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: and they're just looking for the direction of Donald Trump 71 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: to tell them where to go and how to storm 72 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: the motherfucking castle now, right now, Donald Trump does not 73 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: have a place in time like he did on January 74 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: six to offer up to the people that says, go 75 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: gather here and go take these people down. But believe 76 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: you me, he they know to stand back and stand by, 77 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: They know to be on the ready for any head 78 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: nod or wink in their direction. And that should leave 79 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: us all feeling extremely fucking alarmed, right that a former 80 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: president of the United States has organized his own fucking militia, 81 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: but we aren't talking about it like that. And why 82 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: is that? Because they are a bunch of fucking white 83 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: men that want to cosplay the fucking civil war, That's why, right. 84 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: But if they were any other group, do you think 85 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: that these people that have been sending out tweets since 86 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: the search was announced, that they wouldn't have been picked 87 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: up by the FBI on suspicion of being terrorists? Oh? 88 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: I know, we don't have domestic terrorists laws in this country, 89 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: but believe you me, if the people that were offering 90 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: up those tweets were people of color, trust and believe 91 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: they wouldn't give a fuck if we didn't have a 92 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,239 Speaker 1: law on the books or not, they would be picked 93 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: up and considered a threat, a national security threat. But 94 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: these white folks are just allowed to be out in 95 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: these streets fucking wild, right. And that is the concern 96 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: that I have, is that are we once again not 97 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: going to see the writing on the wall, not going 98 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: to pay attention to the alarms going off, and just 99 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: ignore this until we see another January sixth, but this 100 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: time more death, more bloodshed. Right. So coming up next, 101 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 1: my conversation with Communications Director Leslie Mack to talk about 102 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: what kind of messaging Democrats need to be using right now, 103 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: whether or not the Republicans have jumped the shark, and 104 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: what it is that the people of these United States 105 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: need to keep in mind as we make the slow 106 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: march to midterms. Hey, I'm David Plots of Slaves Political Gabfest. 107 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: As another election season accelerates, it can be tricky to 108 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: sort through all the noise and the news. 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Folks. 130 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: I am very happy to be joined by Leslie Mack, 131 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: who is a digital strategist and communications director for the 132 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: front Line, to talk about you know, the latest and 133 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: greatest that Democrats are doing or not doing, but also 134 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: with the latest development to the backdrop of big Democratic wins. 135 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: And I say big Democratic wins because not a single 136 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: Republican has decided that the American people are worth fighting for, 137 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: that our issues are worth fighting for. And so Leslie 138 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: want to start out with this breaking news all over 139 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: the place that will continue to be breaking news because 140 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: it's unprecedented. The FBI had issued was issued a warrant 141 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: to go into the home of a former president Donald Trump. 142 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: We really at this point are not one hundred percent 143 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: clear as to the contents of what that warrant was 144 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: at the time of this recording. It's being speculated that 145 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: it is about archival documents that Donald Trump illegally took 146 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: from the White House to Mara Lago, and that they 147 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: went after his safe. Of course, there has been a 148 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: outcry of Republicans that this is a witch hunt, this 149 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: is unprecedented, This opens up all of these things because 150 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: they live on Earth two and believe that the only 151 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: people that should ever be investigated are Democrats and Hillary 152 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: Clinton's emails or Hunter Biden's laptop. I want to get 153 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: your initial reaction to this unprecedented news and the extraordinary 154 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: times that we find ourselves living in right now. Well, 155 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: I think one, I just want to state for the record, 156 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: I really wish I want to be back in incedented times. 157 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: Like generally speaking, I've kind of had enough of being 158 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: present from time, correct, But also let's acknowledge that, yeah, 159 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: unprecedented things are happening across the board, so we shouldn't 160 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: expect anything different when it comes to whatever the Department 161 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: of Justice is going to be doing with regard to 162 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, because we frankly he was an unprecedented president 163 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: and his actions were unprecedented as well. So yeah, we 164 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: should expect things to be unusual because this is a 165 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: response to unusual situation. But what has struck me the 166 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: most has been the media's kind of framing. I think 167 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: Cheryl and Eiffel shared this earlier on Twitter. She was saying, like, 168 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: why are all of these headlines Donald Trump says, FBI rated? 169 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: Why are we framing it again around his narrative, his 170 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: point of view, Even this detail about his safe is 171 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: directly from him. One. There are facts you can report, Yes, 172 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: the FBI rated Marlago, they went in there, you can 173 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: say those things, you can say, they better have comment 174 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: on it. But even seeing the framing of how the 175 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: media is framing it is already, you know, concerning to me. 176 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, what little we do know is 177 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: that apparently this is related to the National Archives request 178 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: for documents that were taken out of the White House 179 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: by Donald Trump, presumably and allegedly, and that they've been 180 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: requesting these things back for some time and included confidential 181 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 1: and classified information. So interesting to note though, whatever they 182 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: find on this search they can utilize in any other 183 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: investigations that are ongoing. So it makes anything they find 184 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: their fair game as long as the warrant, you know, 185 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: holds up and you know he wasn't there. So I 186 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: think that's the third thing I think is really important 187 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: because I feel like this positioning of like, oh, they 188 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: rated a president at home at it's just so histrionic 189 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: for no reason. He literally was twenty states away in 190 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: New York at Trump Tower. I The other thing I 191 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: thought interesting the White House is claiming they also were blindsided. 192 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: They found out the same time the rest of us 193 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: found out when the news broke, which I think is 194 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: smart on the Department of Justice is part to really 195 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: kind of keep this siloed in separate, because they shouldn't 196 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: be colluding with each other around these sort of things. 197 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: I think certainly, you know, the President is welcome to 198 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: have opinions about what the Department of Justice could or 199 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: should do. But ultimately, even getting a warrant of this 200 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: nature for you know, the home of a former president 201 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: means that a judge signed off that there was significant evidence. 202 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: I would have had to being presented in order for that. 203 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: So I'm no legal expert, but those are the things 204 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: that stuck out for me about the what's happening that 205 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: media point, and then just noting that you know, getting 206 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: this warrant was would not have been a short order, 207 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: would have been a very tall bar to reach us 208 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: far as you know, validity and evidence presented in order 209 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: to get it even you know approved. You know, it's 210 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: funny because both of us have communications backgrounds and expertise. 211 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: And I got to tell you that as I was 212 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: watching the news break, I was screaming at my TV 213 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: behind me, as one does in these unprecedented times, because 214 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: I listen to every pundit come on and reiterate Donald 215 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: Trump's talking points, and I'm like, have we not, like, 216 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: my fucking god, have we not learned anything from twenty sixteen, 217 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 1: from twenty twenty that this man, if he is, if 218 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: he is unremarkable in so many other areas, that the 219 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: place that he shines is in controlling the media, is 220 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: in setting the tone in the narrative and the idea 221 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: that it is just being followed up that even the 222 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: chirns are saying, you know, Trump says his place was raided, 223 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: and it's just like, dude, they didn't go in with 224 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: their FBI windbreakers and guns blazing and throwing people on 225 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: the ground as they have been known to do. Right 226 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: they you know, this was a legal search to your point, 227 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer either, but I'm just like, why 228 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: why do you believe? I guess I'll ask this, why 229 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: do you think is it just laziness that the media 230 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: continues to follow this narrative or do you think that 231 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: it's something else. I think it's where they get the 232 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: clicks from. And so we we are in a stage 233 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: where media, you know, is beholden to grabbing folks attention, 234 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: grabbing people in a really specific way, and so it 235 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: it you know, leads better or certainly would be more 236 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: offensive inflammatory to frame it the way they're framing because 237 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: they know people like us are gonna push back on this, 238 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: and people that are I'm supportive of forty five are 239 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: going to be you know, buoyed by you know, this 240 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: mouthpiece that they're giving Tom to him. And so, you know, 241 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: that's where I think that the murkiness starts to come 242 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: in with the media, because the expectation is that they're 243 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: unbiased and that they're reporting correctly, when in reality, you know, 244 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: the bias comes in through capitalism, and the bias comes 245 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: in through the metrics that are utilized to you know, 246 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: justify or not justify investment in media and media personalities. 247 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: So that's the thing I think that that I noted. 248 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: And then you know, also, yes, certainly they should have 249 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: learned this in twenty sixteen, should have learned in twenty twenty. 250 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: But I always go back to two thousand and five 251 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: one Stephen Colbert coined truthiness and it was the word 252 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: of the year that year, as like this this tipping 253 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: point in media around truth around actually like naming a 254 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: thing as fact and also reporting statements from biased individuals 255 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: as facts, which is what we we're seeing here because 256 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: honestly we don't. Trump says that everything that comes after 257 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: that is here say, everything that comes after that is 258 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: coming from a not trust worthy source of information, but 259 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: it's not presented as such. So you know, we talk 260 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: about this when we talk about the media using police, 261 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: you know, statements and other institutional statements. As you know, 262 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: well they've they've got this is the official word, but 263 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: it's how official is it? So it's not And you know, 264 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: and and the reality is is that any time that 265 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: there is a warrant that is put out, that is issued. 266 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: That warrant is then left with the person who's home 267 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: or office or place was searched. And so Donald Trump 268 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: has access to that warrant. So if they're in fact, 269 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: was any type of nefarious or foul play, release the 270 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: warrant right and then the public will be able to 271 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: make a decision. No, you can do that if you 272 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: want to, right. So you know, I want to switch 273 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: gear years and talk about Democrats and where we are 274 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: right now as we make the slow march to midterm elections. 275 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: I have, like you, have been called out on Twitter 276 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: for daring, daring to air the fact that you know, 277 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: Democrats up until recently hadn't been doing much right, hadn't 278 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: been offering the American people anything other than the fact 279 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: of reiterating that this Republican Party is a viable political 280 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: party and not a white supremaist cult. Right, have been 281 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: offering up things like rational, they were rational Republicans left, 282 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: And I'm like, where you know where I'm looking and 283 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: you know, and I have been told like you were 284 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: that by virtue of just lifting up the obvious that 285 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: we are going to be the reasons why Democrats lose 286 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: in midterms. It has nothing to do. Wouldn't have had 287 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: anything to do with them not offering policy or offering 288 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: or painting the picture of who the enemy of democracy 289 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: actually is. It will be the tweets about it. So 290 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: I just wanted, you know, before we dig in, like, 291 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: how does that make sense? I mean, it's it's it's 292 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 1: wild to me for a number of reasons. One because 293 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: the folks like you and me are the ones that 294 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: got this dude in the White House in the first place, 295 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: worked very hard to do so to turn out the 296 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: vote in twenty twenty, both for the general election and 297 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: for the Georgia runoff, and it was across mostly progressive 298 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: movement spaces where we saw, you know, the uptick in 299 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: Black voters, the uptick and Indigenous voters, the optic and 300 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: Latin X voters, which made the difference in all of 301 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: the swing states that Biden was able to win, and 302 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: certainly in Georgia, where I cannot you know the amount 303 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: of hands and attention and money and resources that poured 304 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: into Georgia after the election, which was really difficult for 305 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,479 Speaker 1: folks because it was a quick turnaround to kind of 306 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: switch gears and redo a lot of the work that 307 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: was already done for the general election. So to hear, 308 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, folks like us be vilified for one saying 309 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: the obvious and two you know, I've always been clear 310 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: that my vote is not some sort of you know, 311 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: blank check that you don't get to cash in when 312 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: I go into the ballot box. No, no, no, you, 313 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: It's actually an I owe you. You owe me a 314 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: response to the things that me are meaningful to me, 315 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: and as an organizer, especially one that works a lot 316 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: with grassroots organizers, when I'm voting, I always know i'm 317 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: voting for who is going to be my opponent around 318 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: the most progressive and most you know people focus policies 319 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: that I want to support. So yeah, the entire framing 320 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty was, yeah, we'll vote for you and 321 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: also expect us. So here we are. There are many 322 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: things that will keep people from the polls, but my 323 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: tweets are definitely not one of them. You sure. Also, 324 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: I've never told anybody not to vote, So that's that's 325 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: the real crux of the thing, is like you'll never 326 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: You can search all of my tweets from twenty two 327 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, when I joined the platform. So now 328 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: you will never ever have seen me say don't vote. 329 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: I've certainly said I understand why people why people don't vote. 330 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: I have empathy. I completely understand the rationale. I get it, 331 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: and I think it's really important that we acknowledge those things. 332 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: It's impassable to do organizing work without acknowledging the realities 333 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: that people are coming into UM spaces with and the 334 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: very valid perspectives and conclusions that they should be able 335 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: to draw UM. And that's the real crux of things. 336 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: I want, I want more. I'm always gonna want more. 337 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: I should want more. So should you, So should everybody listening. 338 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: We should all be demanding more, because that's our role 339 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: in this entire process as the people, is to continue 340 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: to push, to continue to demand more for our lives 341 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: so that we're not just surviving, we're thriving. And more importantly, 342 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: we are in a significant downswing across the board we have. 343 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: No matter how much they want to tout these unemployment numbers, 344 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: inflation is driving costs up. Salaries are not moving at 345 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: the rate that they should be. In haven't for a 346 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: really long time. Our minimum wage situation is a joke. 347 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: Mass incarceration continues to run rampantly through our communities. You know, 348 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: all of these things are still issues on top of 349 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: a crashing housing market and a housing crisis the likes 350 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: of which we haven't seen yet. My husband was talking 351 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: to me this morning about like, oh, do I think 352 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: this looming crash is going to be worse than two 353 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: thousand and eight? And I really said to him, I said, 354 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: you know, we did. We weren't coming off of a 355 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: pandemic in two thousand and eight. We weren't dealing with 356 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: the scope of housing crisis that we're dealing with, because 357 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: that was not when we had corporate interest buying in 358 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: a in the residential housing market, which is what we're 359 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: seeing now, which is really a big problem. We also 360 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: were not coming off of four years of like like 361 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: blatant fascism um in the White House and throughout all 362 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: of our institutions, and we weren't dealing with things like 363 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: food shortages and um, you know, so many fundamental things. 364 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't. I don't know why everybody isn't 365 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: being loud. That's really where I'm at with it, Like, 366 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: if not now when I don't, I don't get it. 367 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: What are we gonna what else do we need to see? 368 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: Given all spinning too fast at this point. At some 369 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: point we got a girl. I mean I was like, what, 370 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: n I just had this because when that news came out, 371 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: I think I just screamed like like just like wait 372 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: what like oh? And by the way, you know that 373 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: time warp that you feel like you're living in and 374 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: and nothing really makes sense and time is a construct. Oh, 375 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: by the way, the Earth is spinning faster. But you know, 376 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: don't be alarmed. I guess that's about It's cool. Don't 377 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: worry about it. Totally fine. Ask the dinosaurs. You know. 378 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: The question that I have for you is all of 379 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: the things that you listed out just now, in terms 380 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: of answering your husband's question, would things are would this 381 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: crisis be worse? Obviously the answer is yes, right, because 382 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: we have so many other compacted crises that obviously, um, 383 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: things would be worse. The thing that I'm asking, though, 384 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: is that with the Inflation Reduction Act that is going 385 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: to be signed with the Chips Act that was just 386 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: that was just signed into law, with these wins right 387 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: that Democrats are are making and have been making in 388 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, it's been the best uh, 389 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: probably week of Biden's presidency ever, right and right, and 390 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: he had COVID and uh and his numbers right, his 391 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: polling numbers are in the toilet um And so do 392 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: you think that these wins then, even though because I'll 393 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: get to Cinema and Mansion my two least favorite people, 394 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: do you think that these wins, though, match up against 395 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: all of the things that are still coming our way? 396 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: Do you think that the American people will see this 397 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: as Democrats are working for us and so I'm showing 398 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: up in midterms in the way that Kansas just showed 399 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: up and said no to the overturning of abortion access 400 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: in their state. Oh my gosh. One. I think that 401 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: the Democrats have a messaging problem off the bat, because 402 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: they're actually not framing their wins as wins enough, and 403 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: they're not pushing, you know, and talking about them and 404 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: framing them in the right way. And in addition to that, 405 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: I think there are some fundamental things that were left out. 406 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: We can talk about immigration, which is something that this 407 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: president ran on, you know. We can talk about voting 408 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: rights around this country, which is kind of important to 409 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: all this other stuff. You know, So it's it's a yes, 410 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: and for me, which is yes. I think that they 411 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: should be there should be stronger messaging around these wins, 412 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: around what it took to get there. I mean the 413 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: fact that they're not leading with the fact that Kamala 414 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 1: Harris just joined a very small club. It's been one 415 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety years since the vice president has cast 416 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: as many tie breaking votes in the Senators. She has this. 417 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: That's huge. That's something that you should be like putting 418 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: your hat on, saying like, look, you sent us with fifty. 419 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: We've got this tie breaking vote because you got us 420 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: in the White House, and we're utilizing that. We're actually 421 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: using that tool more often than almost anybody in history, 422 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: especially with two more years left in this in this 423 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: presidency at least right now. You know, obviously we'll see 424 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: what happens in twenty twenty four, but in this first 425 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: term for Buyan Harris White House, and so I think 426 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: that they need to like think about how they talk 427 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: to people about these wins and also what they mean 428 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: for their broader fights ahead, and and those other things 429 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,479 Speaker 1: I mentioned need to be addressed because these are issues 430 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: that people are living with day to day that need 431 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: to be fixed. Need to be addressing again, like I said, 432 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: that President ran on so those those things still need 433 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: to be tackled. Yeah, and I don't and I don't 434 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: see that happening, right I, particularly again following the news 435 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: of around Donald Trump, Republicans have already signaled that they 436 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: ain't come into the table, right like that they you know, this, 437 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: this to them was a declaration of war. And so 438 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: that being said, and given what we have seen, which 439 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: is that there are two people inside of the Democratic 440 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: Party that have more power than the president and the 441 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: vice president, and that is Joe Mansion and Kursten Cinema, 442 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: Kurson Cinema, we know is in the pocket of you know, 443 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: hedge funds and corporate interests. Because above all that needed 444 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: to come out of the IRA Bill was the fact 445 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: that we were going to tax hedge and special interests 446 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 1: to a tune that was going to result in fourteen 447 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: billion dollars of revenue, right, And she said, oh no, no, 448 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: we can't do that because those poor hedge fund managers, 449 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: you know, they couldn't come off that money. Then you 450 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: then you have Mansion, right, who makes all of you know, 451 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: they wanted to congratulate him on the concessions that he made, 452 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: when at the same time all of the things that 453 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: he got in that bill for the coal miners in 454 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: in West Virginia. So I ask like, are we just 455 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: supposed to sit back and continue to applaud these people 456 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: for being able to hold progress in this country hostage 457 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: to their whim or do we air out right how 458 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: unbalanced our democracy actually Isn't It isn't just because we 459 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: have one rapid political party that has turned into a 460 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 1: white supremacist cult. Yeah, it's definitely multiple things. One is, 461 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: as you mentioned earlier, the Democrats refusing to admit that 462 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: the other side is not acting in good faith around 463 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: any of these issues or even any of these conversations. 464 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: I mean, we can look at them the vote around 465 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: the insulin um capu. These are senators, Republican senators who 466 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: previously ran on lowering insulin um costs, who have speeches 467 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty voted for this, but because they want 468 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: to not give the Democrats a talking point, they're voting 469 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: against it as a block. So it's not even as 470 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, this is directly you can see how they're operating, 471 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: which is not in the best interests of their constituents 472 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: at all. You know, Mansion ultimately operates West Virginia as 473 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: if it's his own plantation. I mean, this is this 474 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: is how he runs it, and his interests in the 475 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: coal industry should should actually bar him from even being 476 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: in office at all period. That the levels of conflicts 477 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: of interest against his constituent is really astounding in that case, 478 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: especially as long as he's been in in politics in 479 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: West Virginia. And then Cinema oooh, I just keep waiting 480 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: for her girl boss energy to fly her a little 481 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: too close to the sun because it's really outrageous her behavior, 482 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: but also you know, a very good reminder of the 483 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 1: ways that white feminism operates within these institutions so often 484 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: against the interests of themselves and the interests of other 485 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: marginalized people. So yeah, it's definitely I wish that they 486 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: would air those things out. But we also have a 487 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: president that will go on a you know, tonight show 488 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: and say what a great person Mitch McConnell is for 489 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: everybody to hear. So you know, that's the other part 490 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: of it, is that we have a very you know, 491 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: concentrated amount of power amongst people that are very close 492 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: to each other personally and consistently UM utilize personal connection 493 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: in place of their moral obligations, and it's really disappointing 494 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: to see so so often, UM leslie. Last question for you, 495 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: where do you see us going right in mid in 496 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: in you know, for mid terms. I know, I'm asking 497 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: you to read tea leaves, but you are on the ground, right, 498 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: You are working with um you know, with organizations, with 499 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: communities and constituencies that frankly are always ignored until it's 500 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 1: time to cast a ballot. And so, you know, given 501 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: every everything right, we got multiple viruses running amok in 502 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: this country. We got voter suppression, we got abortion being overturned, 503 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: we got you know, continued gun violence against against black 504 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: people in this country, uh put on by the state. 505 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: We have, so white supremacy, which they didn't even touch on, 506 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: is just running them up to the point where you 507 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: had pundon saying, well, now that Donald Trump has been 508 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,959 Speaker 1: you know, has been searched by the FBI, he's going 509 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: to weaponize white supremacy once again right against the government. 510 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: So we have all of these things, it's like the 511 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: anti is just up and up and up. Where do 512 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: you see us going as we make this March to 513 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: midterms and beyond. Well, I'll say this, one of the 514 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: things that's been giving me hope is so much of 515 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: the really groundbreaking work that's happening in the labor sector 516 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: and with unions. To me, a strong labor movement is 517 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: really our last hope of having an economic lover to 518 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: hold as leverage over these institutions that are consistently failing us. 519 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: So that's been giving me some hope. I think that 520 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: we have some opportunities in that area to really galvanize 521 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: people around the people power that exists there. And I'm 522 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: also really bullied by people generally speaking, who really have 523 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: much more nuanced and deep analysis of this moment than 524 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: I ever would have had at their age, and are 525 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: really aware of what's happening in a way that's really 526 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: dynamic and allowing them to have some impacts not just 527 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: in their circle of influence, but also as they start 528 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: to age into voting age. I think it's going to 529 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: be critical, but we can't forget about the voting voter 530 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: suppression that's happening, and they're going to be at play 531 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: in this midterm. We're talking about highly gerrymanderd maps that 532 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: just came off of a really dirty data pull from 533 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: the most recent census that the Trump administration was able 534 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: to run. So we have the joy still in charge 535 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: of the USPS, which is critical around mail in ballots 536 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: and getting people to vote safely. And then, as you mentioned, 537 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: we have another you know, disease that is starting to 538 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: get to I guess an emergency was officially declared now 539 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: at this point, and you know, kids going back in 540 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: school in the fall. I have been of the opinion 541 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: that we just are going to see COVID outbreaks every fall, 542 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: and so I'm expecting to see that again, which of 543 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: course will affect turnout and how people are able to vote. 544 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,719 Speaker 1: So I don't have much prognostication to do. I do 545 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: think that this is going to be a crucial moment 546 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: for this democracy. I'm not even well before twenty twenty four. 547 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: I think the results from this election are going to 548 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: be far reaching and really deep scope. We can look 549 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: places like Pennsylvania, where we have a governor on the 550 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: GOP side that would completely have overturned the twenty twenty 551 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: election and taken away the votes from the people of 552 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania without any qualms whatsoever. We've seen in a number 553 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: of states where Democrats have put their support and money 554 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: behind these candidates with the assumption that they'll be easier 555 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: to beat. I don't even understand the strategy. It didn't 556 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: work in twenty sixteen. I don't know why you all 557 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: think it will work this time around. But you know, 558 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: they're rolling the dice with you know, black and brown 559 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: people's lives, which they like to do so often. So 560 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: I think those are those are the issues, and I 561 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: think those are the big things that are going to 562 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: be at play. I think that grasscreets folks are going 563 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: to do their work and turn folks out. I think 564 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 1: especially reproductive justice organizers and organizations are going to do 565 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: a lot of heavy lifting, as they always do in 566 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: these moments, and so I look to them for what 567 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: to do, what not to do, and how to turn 568 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: folks out. And I think it's going to be an 569 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: interesting to see if the American people remember all of 570 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,959 Speaker 1: these things that are happening now in a couple of months, because, 571 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: as you mentioned earlier, this news cycle is a whirlwind 572 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: and things go by so quickly. I mean, I'd be 573 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: shocked if there's headlines next week about the Trump raid 574 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: at Mara lago like, and I mean that sincerely. I 575 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: don't even think that it'll be in the new cycle 576 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: anymore in seven days, which is we call it unprecedented. 577 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: But that's the real unprecedented part is how whiplash fast 578 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: this new cycle is right now? Oh my god. Yes, 579 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: and maybe that is the reason why the earth is 580 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: spinning faster than we figured it. Leslie Mac, thank you 581 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: so much for making the time to join Woke f 582 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: I hope that you will come back and join us 583 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 1: again as we get closer to midterms. Anytime, anytime, It 584 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: all no problem. I appreciate you. That is it for 585 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: me today. Folks on Woke f as always power to 586 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 1: the people and to all the people. Power, Get woke 587 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,959 Speaker 1: and stay woke as fuck.