Speaker 1: Malik Brooks has out the knowledge you Wantlis has out
Speaker 1: the knowledge you need. Books. Yeah, they have out of
Speaker 1: works that the whole wilde world want to read. Mali Brothers. Welcome, Welcome,
Speaker 1: Welcome to Melik's Bookshow, bringing a world together with books,
Speaker 1: culture and communitly. Hi, my name is Malik your host
Speaker 1: Unblik's Bookshow. Today I was able to interview a legend
Speaker 1: in the community. His name is A Kills Botany cal Fani,
Speaker 1: who just wrote a book that just was released called
Speaker 1: Before Crips. I was able to talk to him about
Speaker 1: this historical book about the community. It gives the rundown
Speaker 1: in history on the games and the sex and the
Speaker 1: that have over the years since the fifties um and
Speaker 1: lead inspiraled into what became the world famous, well known
Speaker 1: Crypts and Bloods. His book Before Crypts is giving you
Speaker 1: the history and legacy of all the movers and shakers
Speaker 1: that pre dated the Crypts and Bloods. And so this
Speaker 1: is what isn't a historic book, and it shows that
Speaker 1: gangs have been around long before or sex. You know
Speaker 1: these different tribes and sex and gangs they all mean
Speaker 1: the same. You know the group of individuals who buying
Speaker 1: together for common cause. And oh, most of what took
Speaker 1: place before bloods and crypts um they were called the Slawson,
Speaker 1: Sex and a kill. A K really known in the
Speaker 1: streets as bird. I gave it his real know, his
Speaker 1: his real name, but the streets only normal as bird
Speaker 1: and uh for thunderbird. So I did that interview with him,
Speaker 1: so I want, you know, so sit back, relax, enjoy
Speaker 1: that interview. I also have on this segment a book review,
Speaker 1: because right now everybody's talking about the recession by any
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Speaker 1: I see the numbers that I'm in business, and I
Speaker 1: see the you know, the less customers and the sales numbers.
Speaker 1: And it's been occurring for quite some time. Man. We
Speaker 1: you know, it's star with inflation, and then it moved
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Speaker 1: it is costing the average family. They say, of the
Speaker 1: extra seven thousand dollars just to live compared to the
Speaker 1: last year, seven thousand dollars a family just to live
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Speaker 1: I mean it's already everything is going up and and
Speaker 1: condimn slowed down. Two consecutive quarters of non growth. That
Speaker 1: has always historically been the definition of a recession. And
Speaker 1: we're not gonna change it now. We're not. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: and we need to be smart about our money because
Speaker 1: we are in a recession. The viol the dollar is declining,
Speaker 1: interest rates a skyrocketing man, we're coming out of you know,
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Speaker 1: So don't fool yourself. We're in the recession. You can
Speaker 1: go along with the oak through because they tell you
Speaker 1: we're not. But it's two months I mean, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: two quarters of no growth and those statistics and indicators
Speaker 1: have come out and confirmed it. Most major economists are
Speaker 1: right aware of this and inform you of this. Is
Speaker 1: just the media is constantly, you know, putting out there
Speaker 1: this bs in, these lies that are causing confusion. And
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Speaker 1: Is this, you know, this information that comes out, this unreliable, inconsistent,
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Speaker 1: as it relates to you know, the vaccinations and confusion
Speaker 1: oftentimes cause confusion with people. And what you're seeing now
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Speaker 1: and have a budget and save. You know, you gotta
Speaker 1: be smart. You gotta make good money moves. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do my book review on this book called Get
Speaker 1: Good with Money by Tiffany Alici. The a k a.
Speaker 1: Budgetsia so enjoyed this episode. Well a kill, thank you
Speaker 1: for taking this time out to allow me to interviews
Speaker 1: from my podcast called Melik's Bigshelf Bringing the World Together
Speaker 1: with books, culture and community. Then your book just came out,
Speaker 1: It's called Before Crips and we got an event coming
Speaker 1: up August six at Holly Park Hunting in Van Nez
Speaker 1: where all the O g s are gonna be coming out.
Speaker 1: You've been doing this um gathering at the at you know,
Speaker 1: around l A for how many years now? Uh? Well,
Speaker 1: actually we started way back in the seventies, but consistently
Speaker 1: about we started to sending another park. We stayed there
Speaker 1: for fifteen years and then we left and went at
Speaker 1: Rally Park Hunts, and then we came to Holly Park. Okay,
Speaker 1: but but we always had out the little neighborhood Reunion.
Speaker 1: The neighborhood Reunion is gonna be taking place August six,
Speaker 1: Holly Park and the book that just came out featuring
Speaker 1: a Kills Balkany cal Fani before Crips, peasant cousin and
Speaker 1: discussing amongst South Central or South Los Angeles juvenile games.
Speaker 1: Let's get that title right. And well, hey, the book
Speaker 1: is out. You're gonna be doing a book signing this
Speaker 1: upcoming sideurday, August six, And I just want to tell
Speaker 1: my audience about your great landmark in the history before Crips. Well,
Speaker 1: I really don't like to talk about myself. The book.
Speaker 1: The book is self character a lot and a lot
Speaker 1: of people. If you look in Elaine Brown's book about
Speaker 1: the Black Panthers on page one forty two, you'll see
Speaker 1: my name bird mentioned. If you look in in uh
Speaker 1: lewis uh tach Woods book called what is it called? Uh,
Speaker 1: it's a book he roll with. I can't remember the
Speaker 1: name of right now, but my name is Slawsthing and
Speaker 1: my name is in there. And uh if you look
Speaker 1: at uh so it's a book about before Chris we're
Speaker 1: talking about. I know, I understand understand that, I understand.
Speaker 1: I see uh in the video that that we made
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, okay, which is related to
Speaker 1: the book, and aroundabout way, it was called made in America,
Speaker 1: made in America, crypt and bless made in America. That
Speaker 1: tells you a lot and didn't have a YouTube video
Speaker 1: with keV mat okay, and a lot of people think
Speaker 1: you know game started with bloss and cryps, Crypts and
Speaker 1: bloss now the original crip frame in Washington, and all
Speaker 1: of them grew up an our neighborhood. In the book,
Speaker 1: it has an explanation of why they're why they are
Speaker 1: called crypts in the roundabout way, so what the neighborhood
Speaker 1: was called back then? Slawson Sawlson Village, Village, Carlson villis.
Speaker 1: But if you ever heard, if you ever heard of
Speaker 1: the Avenues, I'm talking about the Black Avenue, Craig months
Speaker 1: in them, Okay, that starts in our neighborhood. Craig months
Speaker 1: in Them grew up in our neighborhood. If you read
Speaker 1: Craig months Ins book, he called me up and I
Speaker 1: didn't know he mentioned me on the third dage of
Speaker 1: his book. I'm not gonna tell you what he said.
Speaker 1: I if anybody is interested, they can look that up
Speaker 1: and see what he has to say about it. So
Speaker 1: the book, I'm a little profile, but little profile, and
Speaker 1: bird was your name back in the back in the day.
Speaker 1: It's still all the way back from seven okay for
Speaker 1: my correct nickname, my great old nickname and Thunderbird okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So so this book shows a history of black games
Speaker 1: emerging in Los Angeles and their evolution into the most
Speaker 1: you know gains of all, which is you know, everybody
Speaker 1: know the famous Cribs and Blood's name, but before That's
Speaker 1: why your book is called before Crypt because it's giving
Speaker 1: you a history about going back to the fifties, long
Speaker 1: before about what twenty years before the Crypt and showing
Speaker 1: that out of the Slawston neighborhood that the next generation
Speaker 1: they became the Crypt and Bloods. Yeah okay, and said
Speaker 1: another thing, it's not only everything is not about my neighborhood.
Speaker 1: On the page your book when you first opened it,
Speaker 1: there the map. It has a lot of different areas named.
Speaker 1: We didn't get all of them, but different names of
Speaker 1: different different too. We see when you mentioned games and
Speaker 1: we didn't say games back then, we will say what
Speaker 1: set are you from? What click are you from? See
Speaker 1: from from that set? So tell me some of the sets.
Speaker 1: You got businessman's you got roy Sniders, you got Fevlos,
Speaker 1: you got Roman twenties, okay, you got you got vineyards,
Speaker 1: you got uh you got uh what's really call them?
Speaker 1: You got vineyard you had uh okay, you had all
Speaker 1: the watch Watch has had farmers, Uh, Orientals, Uh, Saracens,
Speaker 1: uh d'ardanians. Uma. They had the club jackets. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to thank you. We're talking a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just what's at the time. Compton when you passed
Speaker 1: Imperial in the in the first the fifties, Okay, when
Speaker 1: you cross Imperial. Uh see what people know Wiscompson is
Speaker 1: east of west of all Meter, Okay. And and um
Speaker 1: my cousin moved on the thirty Nights and Central in
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty okay. And that's when blacks started pulling up Compton.
Speaker 1: And that's what you call West Compton. See. Uh what
Speaker 1: what was the president's name? Uh uh he grew up
Speaker 1: in Compton. Bush Bush, the daddy Bush grew up in Compston.
Speaker 1: But that's on the west east side of the the Compton
Speaker 1: that I didn't know Bush in Compton. Yeah, you were
Speaker 1: looking at the former President Bush, Daddy Bush now daddy okay,
Speaker 1: the former the daddy of former President, but grew up
Speaker 1: in the still didn't know that Cintenio High School was built.
Speaker 1: It was completed around nineteen fifty five. I think my cousin,
Speaker 1: my cousin Eugenie's, was about five years older than me.
Speaker 1: He was in the first class at Centennial. Cintennia was
Speaker 1: only high school in all of Los Angeles that was
Speaker 1: one story, okay. All the other things they had two story.
Speaker 1: And the reason they built Centennial right there on the
Speaker 1: also Gundo in Central is to keep more more and
Speaker 1: more blacks to come into Compton High School, see, which
Speaker 1: is across all Meta going eat and old different timeline.
Speaker 1: It was no such thing as Carson and all the
Speaker 1: other places. You know, they didn't have that. Oh that
Speaker 1: was Seals and you got to Long Beach. See in
Speaker 1: those days, we went everywhere. Well when in black people
Speaker 1: started moving west because because east started with the one
Speaker 1: tin right, the one yeah, the one ten Okay, we're
Speaker 1: called it the Harvard Freeway. That's what the original name
Speaker 1: of this Harvard Freeway. It was completely okay, and that's
Speaker 1: right there right across Broadway, Okay, and see see the
Speaker 1: separation between east and west is Main Street, okay, now
Speaker 1: Main Street. If you if you're on the uh, the
Speaker 1: east side of the Main your address begins with the
Speaker 1: one going east. If you're on the west side of
Speaker 1: the man, you addressed going with the one going west.
Speaker 1: But because when they built the freeway to go right
Speaker 1: after Main comes Broadway and then between many probably from
Speaker 1: Lott side streets. So what happened everybody strugged. Everything that
Speaker 1: was east of the freeway, including Broadway and Maine became
Speaker 1: black people and white people was on the west, yeah,
Speaker 1: mostly mostly, but down by, downed by what they called
Speaker 1: down by what Golden State new To and all that
Speaker 1: big Africatin that area. They had a lot of blacks
Speaker 1: down every the ones with money, you know, they lived
Speaker 1: down where River now, which is called the churches see
Speaker 1: some Murray's Church and down up in there order that
Speaker 1: you know had your black extended and they called it
Speaker 1: not I think they called it sugar Hill or something
Speaker 1: whatever it was open. You know, a lot of blacks
Speaker 1: lived done at the time. But and one of our
Speaker 1: friends that lived over here on Hooper down the street
Speaker 1: from me. Okay, their family moved around normally where normally
Speaker 1: runs I mean nowhere, but it's like, uh, forty forty
Speaker 1: eight runs into Normandy. And they had moved west. And
Speaker 1: that was like everybody was like, oh wow, they moved
Speaker 1: to the west because Washington, that sugar Hill area, that's
Speaker 1: where Ray Charles and was living all and everybody, we're
Speaker 1: l a people. I wasn't born I was born in Table,
Speaker 1: but we're l a people, you know. And and see
Speaker 1: all the different sets okay, because you had you had
Speaker 1: blood Alley right now, the Mexicans called it. Uh, they
Speaker 1: got some new set of Mexico over there right on
Speaker 1: the side of the Normandy and and and the freeway.
Speaker 1: They uh, what is that not the one one eight
Speaker 1: one runs east and west down there by Washington. They
Speaker 1: changed the names of things as time Path, but it's
Speaker 1: still the same. So what happened here where? Where? Where
Speaker 1: this history before the crypts? And how did the crypts
Speaker 1: become the dominant you know, you know when most people
Speaker 1: believe that that's when the you know game started, sex
Speaker 1: started in the seventies. How how did this piece of
Speaker 1: history just become missing? Because see, see certain types of
Speaker 1: people failed to grow up for one thing, Okay, and
Speaker 1: and uh, I think somewhere in the books mentioned in
Speaker 1: Jerry Cloud uh at the professor Quicker. Okay, when I
Speaker 1: first met him in four, I was going to cal
Speaker 1: State Domina Steal and I've seen in the catalog there
Speaker 1: was uh, you know game class I went in there,
Speaker 1: he explained, He explained it in the book the day
Speaker 1: I walked in its class. So you called off to
Speaker 1: the book with John professor John Quaker. Right, Well, he
Speaker 1: grewed on. He grewed on to me like a sweatshirt. Okay.
Speaker 1: We've been tysing since four ye see, and that's thirty
Speaker 1: eight years ago. Yeah, we've been tight ever since then.
Speaker 1: He's been to think to our reunions, our dances, his
Speaker 1: wives and all that kind of stuff. He came from
Speaker 1: New York. He the thing is, uh the question you
Speaker 1: just asked me. He asked me that back quite a
Speaker 1: few years ago. And I tried to explain to him
Speaker 1: that you know, you know, when you know, when you
Speaker 1: get a certain as you get off the set. Okay.
Speaker 1: But some people didn't, okay, And some people went to jail,
Speaker 1: some people died, some people moved out of state, out
Speaker 1: of town or someplace else. And so I took him
Speaker 1: upon seventy eighth and Cental, which is our stronghold and
Speaker 1: one of the original crip duds. There, Jerry Cloud, he
Speaker 1: met Raymond Washington. All them grew up together. Plus Raymond
Speaker 1: Washington came from about eight blocks from where where I'm
Speaker 1: talking to you from now. If you look at my
Speaker 1: video mac video is from two thousand and eighteen, and
Speaker 1: then at the title, it's birds Soldier of the Streets
Speaker 1: to the other that has five parts of nothing longer
Speaker 1: in twenty minutes. And then the second one is called
Speaker 1: bird edging location that was not It has fourts for
Speaker 1: what parts nothing longer as twenty minutes. Okay, that is
Speaker 1: explained a whole lot of stuff, or can that? Jerry
Speaker 1: Cloud so too quicker in a matter of two minutes,
Speaker 1: you know, And he had been hitting me here for
Speaker 1: about three years. Well, how come they called? They said,
Speaker 1: I said, what, they're from our neighborhood. We said, what there? Why?
Speaker 1: They said they creb We see. Jerry Cloud told him
Speaker 1: that when they started hanging around him and Raymond, Craig
Speaker 1: Cradoff and all of them started hanging around again, they
Speaker 1: were doing what they were doing because Raymond was running
Speaker 1: with Craig much in him from what they called the avenues.
Speaker 1: When I go to the the Black guys and then before
Speaker 1: they have a Latino gang. Avenue has been around since
Speaker 1: Heck was a puppy and he said, great dog now
Speaker 1: and they're out there Highland Park. They've been around that.
Speaker 1: The original with avenues months in them became avenues because
Speaker 1: of the streets they lived on Central to the Avenue,
Speaker 1: Compton Avenue, Promerly Avenue, some more Avenue there. All of
Speaker 1: them lived on different streets and all those streets were
Speaker 1: avenues instead of streets like you say twenty third Street.
Speaker 1: But if you got an avenue, that's that's not a
Speaker 1: street that the years the street. But you know, Avenue
Speaker 1: is kind of up, you know, and so anywhere Craig
Speaker 1: Raymond Washington was a baby Avenue. Okay, but he was,
Speaker 1: you know, and he was trying to be with create Months,
Speaker 1: like the Create Months had to beat him down, you know.
Speaker 1: Then he went in and that's when he got busted up. Okay,
Speaker 1: and some other dudes. Here's a lot of what people
Speaker 1: that say that the Chris got their name for this.
Speaker 1: Cris got that name from that. But I knew I
Speaker 1: know the youngsters who named him the crib for Raymond,
Speaker 1: and and all the boards was all busted up. They
Speaker 1: had canes and they were not all that the They
Speaker 1: were walking around cripple see okay, and that's how they
Speaker 1: got the name crips. That's how they got Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let see if they came from my neighborhood right here,
Speaker 1: and it was not right if just the birth this
Speaker 1: is the next generation that you gave birth to. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: they couldn't use our name. They got out of control.
Speaker 1: But see if if they had been under our name,
Speaker 1: they would have been under control. M say, because it's
Speaker 1: if our neighborhood goes actually goes back uh to the
Speaker 1: nineteen party. But but it wasn't named. Why was it?
Speaker 1: Why wasn't you able to get them under control? Why
Speaker 1: what happened? Was there some corn tail going on? Was
Speaker 1: there some infiltration by the c I a FBI to
Speaker 1: put one group against Okay, listen, teriously you full the
Speaker 1: fluid and ready to do it. Yeah, see everybody that
Speaker 1: you know, everybody was, oh, so I gotta see I'm
Speaker 1: seven in nine years old. People got married, people moved,
Speaker 1: people got off the set and everything and had really
Speaker 1: had nothing to dude do those youngsters some of them
Speaker 1: were looted to his brothers, some of some people's grandchildren.
Speaker 1: And when they started off, they they didn't become they
Speaker 1: weren't like what they are now. I'll make a real
Speaker 1: simple When you have you have christens, then you have blood. Okay,
Speaker 1: now you take you take your your mama sweepers. Take
Speaker 1: the pie. Okay, you cut that down the liddle. On
Speaker 1: one side you got cripps, and one side you got bloods. Okay,
Speaker 1: and the old there's your mama sweeper. Take the pie. Okay.
Speaker 1: When you open up that book, on that map on
Speaker 1: there you see all them different neighborhoods and on different
Speaker 1: streets and different parts of town. Okay. When you cut
Speaker 1: you your little slice out of the pie, that was
Speaker 1: your set. And and then your brother cut he set out.
Speaker 1: That's it. It's different. It's a different age. But everybody
Speaker 1: knew everybody in l A. These are people say, used
Speaker 1: to shoot. Some people got shot, some people got stabbed,
Speaker 1: you know, some people got the hell yeah is real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and see but when we were going up, if you
Speaker 1: couldn't throw down, oh you had to get off the set.
Speaker 1: You couldn't run run us in every neighborhood. You couldn't
Speaker 1: run with us, you know. Like one of my sons,
Speaker 1: I tell him about a guy named Slow Charles from
Speaker 1: what He used to walk all the way from the
Speaker 1: from the Nicholson Pride Ject down down Central Uti the
Speaker 1: terms in the Hooper and walk all the way across
Speaker 1: down to downpast Lowson Park by himself. Okay, and people
Speaker 1: if he wanted to jump him because he was from
Speaker 1: what But you know, we told you know, if he
Speaker 1: ain't doing nothing, if he ain't doing the ain't bothering nobody.
Speaker 1: You ain't got no business body watching the enemy. Watch
Speaker 1: the End Year watches the enemy as a whole. But
Speaker 1: everybody from Watch wasn't enemy because I used to live
Speaker 1: with Watch before I moved up this neighborhood in nineteen.
Speaker 1: He's still going on. You know. They had terms and
Speaker 1: and issues with each other going back to the fifties,
Speaker 1: back to the forties and fifties, sixties. See see what
Speaker 1: they call uh what do they call it? Circle city? Paru? Okay,
Speaker 1: that right there? Okay, I have five steps of families
Speaker 1: to live them live right after there. And my cousin
Speaker 1: was going there, but going right on uh Zamora hundred
Speaker 1: six of Zamora in nineteen forty eight. And I used
Speaker 1: to ben't watch all at the time. See okay, but
Speaker 1: if you look about it my YouTube video, you get
Speaker 1: all this information. Killed Botany, Californi. It was a pleasure
Speaker 1: to have you in this interview about before the crypts
Speaker 1: to give us a lesson about the fuss and the
Speaker 1: cousin and discussing amongst Los Angeles juvenile gangs. Yeah, let
Speaker 1: me explain the fuss and cussing and discussing to you.
Speaker 1: See what at first uh Temple University with printed book,
Speaker 1: they didn't want to use that part. But I had
Speaker 1: explained to him see and Professor Quicker Okay, when I
Speaker 1: first tour us him, I didn't know he's the one
Speaker 1: to put it. Yeah, put it up. A guy had
Speaker 1: missed it to him a long time ago, way before
Speaker 1: we thought about a book. Because as a kid, I
Speaker 1: don't know where you came from and where everybody else
Speaker 1: came from, especially they got parents and runs just from
Speaker 1: the South, and you've got grandmother's uncles and other thing
Speaker 1: like when the kids outside playing and fighting and talking.
Speaker 1: All right, y'all got that fuss and cussing out. And
Speaker 1: I added to discussing to it. Okay, so cussing and
Speaker 1: that was my my part, okay because I always heard
Speaker 1: old people because y'all gout that fussing and cussing out
Speaker 1: and so and I put the discuss because after you
Speaker 1: get to fussing and custom what do you do? You
Speaker 1: discuss it? Yeah? So kill It's a pleasure. Um I
Speaker 1: have you featured on Malik's bookshelf of bringing the world
Speaker 1: together with books, culture and community. Thank you for the interview.
Speaker 1: Your book is out Before Crypting, Before Crypts, foss and
Speaker 1: Cussing and discussing amongst South Los Angeles juvenile games. Thank you.
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