WEBVTT - Russell in Rishikesh

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<v Speaker 1>School of humans. There are many unsolved mysteries circling the

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<v Speaker 1>Holy City of Rishakesh, Foreigners who vanish, unforeseen spiritual awakenings,

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<v Speaker 1>the healing powers of the Ganges, a river where both

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<v Speaker 1>salvation and death flow, and the unexplainable energy that draws

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<v Speaker 1>seekers who believe the holy city is a fast track

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<v Speaker 1>to enlightenment. One of those seekers was Russell, a Sri

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<v Speaker 1>Lankan living in Melbourne who had his sights set on

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<v Speaker 1>visiting Rishikesh. It's November twenty eighteen. Russell, a Sri Lankan

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<v Speaker 1>living in Melbourne, is at the airport in Melbourne waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for his flight to board. Though he's eventually going to

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<v Speaker 1>meet up with his family in Sri Lanka for his

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<v Speaker 1>cousin's wedding, he's traveling light materials. Things aren't important to

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<v Speaker 1>Russell these days. He lives minimally and stopped buying stuff

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<v Speaker 1>for the sake of buying it for a while now.

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<v Speaker 1>But as he's gotten more dedicated to his spiritual journey,

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<v Speaker 1>his family has noticed that he's detaching from the things

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<v Speaker 1>that used to meet a lot to him, like cricket.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, he gave his bats away and stopped playing

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<v Speaker 1>a sport he used to love. Not long ago, he

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<v Speaker 1>had a breakdown after he was scammed by a girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>It left him financially ruined and tested his faith in humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>He couldn't believe that someone he had loved, dated and

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<v Speaker 1>lived with for a handful of years could be so deceitful.

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<v Speaker 1>After hitting this breaking point, Russell's family noticed his deeper

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<v Speaker 1>commitment to spiritual growth. But Russell was born a seeker,

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<v Speaker 1>driven by curiosity, an interested in human connection. He spent

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<v Speaker 1>nine months in Peru with Shaman's, studied multiple religions, and

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<v Speaker 1>experimented with ayahuasca, and though he was raised Catholic, he's

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<v Speaker 1>drawn Hinduism, which is why his sister Rosita is not

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<v Speaker 1>surprised he's decided to take a quick detour to India

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<v Speaker 1>before meeting up with his family at the wedding. Unlike Rosita,

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<v Speaker 1>Russell isn't married and doesn't have kids, so he's thrown

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<v Speaker 1>himself into self discovery and his quest for the next

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<v Speaker 1>level of spirituality. This is what drew Russell to Rishikesh,

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<v Speaker 1>a seeker with one intention for traveling there, but that

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<v Speaker 1>is what might have killed him. An announcement echoes through

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<v Speaker 1>the airport. The flight to Derroduna, India is boarding. When

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<v Speaker 1>Russell lands in Derradun, he'll hop either a bus or

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<v Speaker 1>taxi that will take him to his final destination, Rishikesh.

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<v Speaker 1>As Russell steps into the line of passengers, he overhears

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<v Speaker 1>someone talking about Vicisht Goufa, a cave carved into a

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<v Speaker 1>steep cliff on the banks of the Ganges an hour

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<v Speaker 1>from shiksh It's also known as the Jesus Cave, a

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<v Speaker 1>name derived from lore that Jesus spent some of his

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<v Speaker 1>lost years in India. The lost years refer to an

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen year period of Jesus's life from ages twelve to

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine that are not documented in the New Testament.

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<v Speaker 1>Various Swamis, male Hindu spiritual teachers in India claim that

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<v Speaker 1>during these lost years, Jesus sought solitude and the cavern

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<v Speaker 1>of Vishisht Gufa, and in the last century, two swamis

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<v Speaker 1>with no knowledge of Jesus's connection to the cave said

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<v Speaker 1>when visiting they had visions of Jesus meditating there. Russell

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<v Speaker 1>plans to visit the sacred cave and cleanse himself in

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<v Speaker 1>the river Ganges flowing through the center of Rishikesh. Ever

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<v Speaker 1>since he's been practicing Hinduism, he's felt called to Mother Ganga.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the Hindus, he believes she will wash away bad

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<v Speaker 1>karma and evil spirits and provide a clean saying that

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<v Speaker 1>will reawaken him. His phone vibrates. It's a WhatsApp message

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<v Speaker 1>from his sister, Rosita, checking in on him. He lets

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<v Speaker 1>her know he's boarding and he'll text her when he lands.

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<v Speaker 1>He shuts off his phone in preparation for the thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>hour flight, hands his ticket to the flight attendant, who

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<v Speaker 1>scans it, then enters the dimly lit jet bridge, boarding

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<v Speaker 1>a plane that will take him to a city he'll

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<v Speaker 1>never return from. Unlike Jonathan and Ryan's stories, which were

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<v Speaker 1>publicized by the media, this is the first time Russell's

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<v Speaker 1>story has ever been told. I try to go through

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<v Speaker 1>the emails, and it was just too hard, just emotionally.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll just tell you the story. That's how how

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<v Speaker 1>I recall it, because I have blocked some of it out.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Rosita, Russell's older sister. She's asked that I

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<v Speaker 1>not use their surnames to keep anonymity. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>deeply personal story to Rosita, but She also has controversial

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<v Speaker 1>views about Rishi Cash and what happened to her brother there,

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<v Speaker 1>so there is a security in remaining unknown. Rosita describes

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<v Speaker 1>what Russell was seeking at that time. He was more

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<v Speaker 1>interested in seeking for the next level of spirituality, basically

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<v Speaker 1>not being born into a human form again, learning all

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<v Speaker 1>the lessons you have to in these human form so

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<v Speaker 1>you can move on to the next realm, move on

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<v Speaker 1>to the next level. That's what I think Russell was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Rosita had a deep bond with her younger brother. I

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<v Speaker 1>recognize this bond because I have it with my siblings.

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<v Speaker 1>She's protective, devoted, and today, nearly two years after the

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<v Speaker 1>loss of her brother, she's still heartbroken. As soon as

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<v Speaker 1>he landed, he sent a message saying, hey, I arrived

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<v Speaker 1>in Rishikesh. I'll see you guys in four days. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the text Rosie I've been waiting for from her brother.

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<v Speaker 1>But when she didn't hear from Russell on November twenty ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>the night he was supposed to land and tree lunk,

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<v Speaker 1>she started to worry, and when there was still no

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<v Speaker 1>word on the morning of November thirty if, she called

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<v Speaker 1>the front desk of his hotel to see if he

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<v Speaker 1>had checked in, and I said, can you please put

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<v Speaker 1>me for the root Russell was staying. They put me

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<v Speaker 1>on hold and they come back and said he never

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<v Speaker 1>checked in. Straight away I knew something was wrong. Her

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<v Speaker 1>husband and cousins told her she was being paranoid. He

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<v Speaker 1>must have dismissed his flight. But when it was confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>by the airline that Russell never boarded his flight to

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<v Speaker 1>Sri Lanka, Rosita's older brother Trevor, who didn't attend the

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<v Speaker 1>wedding and was still in Australia, went to the local

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<v Speaker 1>police station to file a missing person's report and was

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<v Speaker 1>directed to the Australian Embassy in India, but the embassy

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't exactly helpful. They kept dismissing Trevor, saying a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people decide to stay in India. They just decided

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<v Speaker 1>to hang around and they decide not to contact family.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're like, you don't understand. We don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter where we go, we know exactly you know

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<v Speaker 1>where our family may bizarre, but Rosita didn't know where

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<v Speaker 1>Russell was, so paperwork was filed with the Australian Embassy

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<v Speaker 1>in India and on December first, Russell was declared a

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<v Speaker 1>missing person. It was official, which sent Rosita and her

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<v Speaker 1>family down a rabbit hole of what fs Did he

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<v Speaker 1>get beaten up? Has he been robbed? Is he lying

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<v Speaker 1>in the hosspital? You know, all these horrible thoughts go through,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's always hope that he's alive. And there was

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<v Speaker 1>a huge thought that went through our mind. Has he

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<v Speaker 1>decided to go into an Ushran? And only after he

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<v Speaker 1>went missing we started doing some research on Rishikesh and

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<v Speaker 1>then we just found out, oh gosh, we did not

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<v Speaker 1>know about Rishikesh, the background, how there's so many people

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<v Speaker 1>gone missing and have people decide just to let go

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<v Speaker 1>of everything and you know, go into an USh Ran

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<v Speaker 1>for thirty days or sixty days and just live this lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was a hope. This was twenty eighteen, so

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<v Speaker 1>if Rosita googled Rishikesh, she'd obviously seen headlines for the

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<v Speaker 1>disappearances of Ryan Chambers in two thousand and five and

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Spallen in two thousand and twelve. Her hope that

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<v Speaker 1>Russell hadn't met the same feat but would be found

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<v Speaker 1>meditating in an ash room somewhere in Rishikesh was the

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<v Speaker 1>preferable outcome, but what happened on December fifteenth, fourteen days

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<v Speaker 1>after Russell was declared missing, made for a bleaker reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Trevor got an email from the embassy's It stated that

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<v Speaker 1>his suitcase and his belongings were found and they named

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<v Speaker 1>the place and it was sort of for me, googled it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was sort of under this bridge, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>horrible thoughts come in, like why under a bitch? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>why he's suitcase and why his belonging said where is he?

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<v Speaker 1>And that particular night, Trevor called me and said, Rasia,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fifty to fifty fifty percent he's alive, fifty percent

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<v Speaker 1>he's gone. And I sort of like refused to believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, don't say that. But things got weirder. The

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<v Speaker 1>embassy was able to track the simcard that Russell purchased

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<v Speaker 1>for his phone when he landed in India. They emailed

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<v Speaker 1>the simcard information to Russell's family and there was only

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<v Speaker 1>one thing left to do. Trevor found a friend who

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<v Speaker 1>spoke Hendie and they dialed Indian person answered the phone

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<v Speaker 1>and said, I knew someone was going to call. I

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<v Speaker 1>found his wallet and the phone, but I actually handed

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<v Speaker 1>the wallet into the Australian Embassy in India, but I

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<v Speaker 1>kept the phone because I knew someone would call for

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<v Speaker 1>him a clue, someone who might lead them to Russell.

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<v Speaker 1>But when they contacted the embassy, no wallet had been

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<v Speaker 1>turned in, which means there was no additional information about

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<v Speaker 1>this unidentified source they had just spoken to. So they

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<v Speaker 1>tried russell sim number again. The second phone call was

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<v Speaker 1>made to that same number and the person picked up

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<v Speaker 1>the phone again, and when the question was asked, where

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<v Speaker 1>exactly did you find it? The person got very nervous

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<v Speaker 1>and start hesitating to talk and was not comfortable at

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<v Speaker 1>all too even as a way he found it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he hung up the phone and several other attempts

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<v Speaker 1>were made to contact him, but that phone was switched off.

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<v Speaker 1>Rosita said something was off. Either this guy was spooked

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<v Speaker 1>and thought he might get into some sort of trouble

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<v Speaker 1>speaking to them, or he had something to do with

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<v Speaker 1>her brother's disappearance. Either way, it was another dead end

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<v Speaker 1>until Rosita and her husband got the call they've been

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for. Trevor called my husband and said, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to send you a link. I want you to have

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<v Speaker 1>a look at it, I think I found Russell. Trevor

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<v Speaker 1>had found Russell, but not in the way anyone, especially

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<v Speaker 1>his family, could ever have imagined. Like Crying Chambers and

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan's Ballen Russell was another missing Westerner in Rashia Cash

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<v Speaker 1>and Tell. Rosita's husband, Sean, clicked on that link her

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<v Speaker 1>brother Trevor sent Sean had a look at the link,

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<v Speaker 1>and sure enough, it was a picture of Russell's dead

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<v Speaker 1>body on that website. The website is a database that's

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<v Speaker 1>run by the Indian Police called Unidentified Dead Bodies. It

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<v Speaker 1>consists of close to ninety thousand bodies. It's disturbing to

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<v Speaker 1>look through. But for Rosita, the database gave her access

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<v Speaker 1>to her brother. So even though her husband and older

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<v Speaker 1>brother persuaded her not to, she knew. In order to

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<v Speaker 1>believe Russell was really gone, she had to identify her

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<v Speaker 1>brother's dead body. He was just sort of lying on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground. He's either washed up or pulled out. You

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<v Speaker 1>could see he's bloated, you know. He was just wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a white T shirt which looked turned into like a

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<v Speaker 1>muddy color obviously from the dirty border. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>in Depans, So for him to be in his underpans,

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<v Speaker 1>that he was wearing a sarong, which he does when

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<v Speaker 1>he goes to ritual you know, and like spiritual retreats

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<v Speaker 1>or if he goes to Sri Lanka. And I could

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<v Speaker 1>definitely picture him in India just wearing underpans and a

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<v Speaker 1>sarong and a T shirt and his thongs or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>just walking around. You know, I don't know what you

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<v Speaker 1>call it, but on his wrist, you know, in Hinduism

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<v Speaker 1>or Buddhism, like they wear these cotton threads. It's spiritual.

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<v Speaker 1>So he had some of that, but that was all.

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<v Speaker 1>In Southeast Asia, locals and many visiting Westerners like Russell,

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<v Speaker 1>wears ranks, which is a fabric draped around the body

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<v Speaker 1>and tugged at the waist or under the arms. The

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<v Speaker 1>cotton thread or threads on his wrist could have been

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<v Speaker 1>a katuk, usually read it's a ritual protection thread tied

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<v Speaker 1>by a priest or guru on the wrist of a devotee.

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<v Speaker 1>Russell's body was dragged from the Ganges on December third,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, five days after he was supposed to fly

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<v Speaker 1>to Sri Lanka. The Unidentified dead Body's database did not

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<v Speaker 1>mention a cause of death. But before the family could

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<v Speaker 1>even think of investigating, there was something they had to

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<v Speaker 1>do first. My mom and I would you said, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, we need to bring him home. They found

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<v Speaker 1>him on the third of December. Now we're on the nineteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>Russell's body had most likely been in the Ganges for

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<v Speaker 1>those five days he was missing, which is why he

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<v Speaker 1>was bloated when he was pulled from the river, and

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<v Speaker 1>for the past seventeen days his body had been sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in a morgue in India, but his family wanted him

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<v Speaker 1>home so they could say their goodbyes properly with a

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic funeral. When Trevor called the police station listed on

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<v Speaker 1>Russell's profile to claim his body, they ran for another shock.

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<v Speaker 1>Police told him that within three days of the body

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<v Speaker 1>being found, that they cremated Russell and threw the ashes

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<v Speaker 1>into the Gangi River. And we were absolutely devastated, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's where you used to burying our death. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the way we say a goodbye. Now this is just

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<v Speaker 1>heartbreaking to imagine. They had found Russell's body and all

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to do was bring him home and mourn

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<v Speaker 1>him in the way they were accustomed to. With an

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<v Speaker 1>open casket and burial, but he was cremated and in

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<v Speaker 1>a way taken from them again. Additionally, because Russell's body

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<v Speaker 1>had been cremated, there was no evidence to determine his

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<v Speaker 1>cause of death until they received the coroner's report. So

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<v Speaker 1>on the coroner's report, number one cause of death for

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<v Speaker 1>Russell is death by drowning. Number two cause of death

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<v Speaker 1>is blunt trauma to the head. Hearing about this blunt

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<v Speaker 1>force trauma made Rosita think back to the first time

0:14:55.485 --> 0:14:58.325
<v Speaker 1>she had seen Russell's picture on the database. Now, when

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the picture of Russell, I could see this

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<v Speaker 1>big bump on his forehead. Could be a possibility that

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<v Speaker 1>someone hit him on the ahead and then he fell

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<v Speaker 1>into the river or was pushed into the river. There

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<v Speaker 1>are so many scenarios. But one scenario she wasn't expecting

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<v Speaker 1>was how invested the Indian police suddenly were now that

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<v Speaker 1>Russell's body had been identified on the database as an

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<v Speaker 1>Australian citizen. She was also surprised by the new information

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<v Speaker 1>they shared. Indian police sent the email saying that his

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<v Speaker 1>suitcase and his passport was found in the hotel. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to be a genius to work out

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<v Speaker 1>that hold on the stories that you guys are sending us,

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<v Speaker 1>it is not matching up. First, you said, when Russell

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<v Speaker 1>was still missing, you said the suitcase and his belongings

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<v Speaker 1>were found under a bridge. Well no, now that Russell

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<v Speaker 1>has been found on the internet, now you're saying his

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<v Speaker 1>suitcase and his passport and belonging in the hotel. And

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<v Speaker 1>also there was another email stating that Russell was very

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive and abusive towards the hotel's staff. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>the hotel and Risha Cash where Russell stayed and where

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<v Speaker 1>police were now saying they had found his suitcase and belongings,

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<v Speaker 1>and according to the police, it's also where Russell was

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<v Speaker 1>publicly aggressive to hotel staff, which was captured on hotel

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<v Speaker 1>cameras November twenty eighth, two days before he was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to leave Risha Cash. So we requested for the video

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<v Speaker 1>because now you know, now they're saying he was aggressive

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<v Speaker 1>and abusive, chose the hotel staff and the guests, So

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to see the video to see what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>My thing was that's not Russell. If he was, then

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<v Speaker 1>something's not right. The police never sent that footage to

0:16:43.485 --> 0:16:47.965
<v Speaker 1>Rosie and her family. So you can imagine receiving this new,

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<v Speaker 1>unsubstantiated information from the Indian police led to their suspicions

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<v Speaker 1>towards not only the police, but institutions like the Australian

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<v Speaker 1>Embassy in India that are supposed to advocate for their

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<v Speaker 1>country citizens and protect them. But I've also learned from

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<v Speaker 1>this experience that they Astralian Embassy in India have no

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<v Speaker 1>power over what happens in India. This is something we

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<v Speaker 1>followed up on. We'll get into that in a bed

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<v Speaker 1>But first, if Russell's aggression was out of character, and

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<v Speaker 1>his outburst at the hotel wasn't something fabricated by the

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<v Speaker 1>police or embassy, then what happened. There is a huge

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<v Speaker 1>possibility that Russell would have whatever they drink, that the

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<v Speaker 1>Sadu's drink. You know, if there was an opportunity and

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<v Speaker 1>it was presented to him, he could yet he would

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<v Speaker 1>have taken it. This drink Rosida is talking about, that

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<v Speaker 1>Sadu's or holy Men drink is infused with bang and

0:17:42.965 --> 0:17:46.245
<v Speaker 1>intoxicant made from the leaves of the female cannabis plant.

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<v Speaker 1>Bang is used by Hindus for spiritual purposes. They drink

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<v Speaker 1>it to honor Shiva, the god of destruction, who is

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<v Speaker 1>believed to have used the intoxicant to focus inward and

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<v Speaker 1>harness his divine powers for the good of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Many Westerners who travel through India seek this extreme high

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<v Speaker 1>that some say brings them closer to this elusive idea

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<v Speaker 1>of enlightenment and can result in either a happy haze, paranoia,

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<v Speaker 1>or just getting racked like one Western I read about

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<v Speaker 1>who after drinking bang was bound to his bad and

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<v Speaker 1>toilet viciously vomiting for three days strade. So it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>powerful stuff, which might explain Russell's behavior. Well, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>If he'd taken it, maybe then he would have had

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of an episode, and maybe that's why he

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<v Speaker 1>was aggressive or abusive if that email is correct. Rosita

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<v Speaker 1>also has speculations about the Sadus, who, in her opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>tempt foreigners with these intoxicants. So, having spoken to Indian

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<v Speaker 1>born Australians, you know, one person mentioned that it's common

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge that there's a lot of Sadus that are not

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<v Speaker 1>doing the right thing. You know, they're just scammers who

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<v Speaker 1>encourage the Westerners. You know, they think they're better off

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<v Speaker 1>moving on to the next journey of spiritualism, meaning leaving

0:19:07.765 --> 0:19:11.485
<v Speaker 1>the body that you know we're in. Apparently they encourage

0:19:11.525 --> 0:19:14.565
<v Speaker 1>them to walk into the into the river. One person

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that it's common knowledge around Rishikesh for those people

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<v Speaker 1>who live there that the Westerners come there to die.

0:19:23.245 --> 0:19:26.085
<v Speaker 1>Like Rosita said, these theories were shared with her by

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<v Speaker 1>Indian born Australians, So I don't know how much of

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<v Speaker 1>this is true. It's just was told to me. We've

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<v Speaker 1>dug into the veracity of these claims before and will again,

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<v Speaker 1>but right now I want to focus on the effect

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<v Speaker 1>these stories had on Rosita. When considering what happened to Russell,

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<v Speaker 1>a seeker who traveled to Rishikesh specifically for a spiritual awakening,

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<v Speaker 1>but was then found drowned and the same river he

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<v Speaker 1>came to cleanse himself in, you can see how for

0:19:56.885 --> 0:20:00.365
<v Speaker 1>Rosita these theories could start to feel more like truth.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one theory that haunted her, and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>about how Russell died, but what happened to him after

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<v Speaker 1>he was found. This was something she felt she needed

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<v Speaker 1>to share with another Australian family who would also experienced tragedy.

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<v Speaker 1>In Rasha Cash, I don't know for what reason during

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<v Speaker 1>that traumatic time that his name just came into my head.

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought of him, and I just thought of

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<v Speaker 1>Dyan Jock. She's speaking about Ryan Chambers, whose story we

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<v Speaker 1>told in episode one and two, and whose disappearance she

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<v Speaker 1>read about while researching Risha Cash after Russell went missing.

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<v Speaker 1>There the Ryan's family deny his seeking anything spiritual in India,

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<v Speaker 1>Rosita recognized her brother's language and Ryan's last journal entry,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm not gone, don't worry, I'm not dead. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just freeing minds. And to do that, I had to

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<v Speaker 1>free my own. Ryan went missing in two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 1>and ten years later, there's my brother, who's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's full of breath Higgs saying the same words.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought that was quite interesting. Two people of

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<v Speaker 1>two different generations, you know, two different backgrounds, talk in

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<v Speaker 1>the same language. This and some darts. She'd started to

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<v Speaker 1>connect around what happened to her brother in India compelled

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<v Speaker 1>her to reach out to Ryan's parents, Jack and Diane.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to reach out, but it took me a

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<v Speaker 1>long time because you know, I was very traumatized, like

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. So when I finally did reach out.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to tell them my story, and she did.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I met Rosita. I was introduced to her

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<v Speaker 1>by Jack after our interview as someone else who had

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<v Speaker 1>lost a loved one and reach the cash. But what

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know is why she initially contacted Jack and Diane.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it was very hard for me to tell them,

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously it's not very easy for them to hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did tell them. You know, I'm so sorry

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you, but Ry Ryan's gone. They would have

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<v Speaker 1>done exactly what they would have done to Russell. They

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<v Speaker 1>would have cremated his body, got rid of the ash.

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<v Speaker 1>Because there's no evidence, Rosita believes that what happened to

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<v Speaker 1>Russell most likely happened to Ryan. The only difference is

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<v Speaker 1>Russell's photo was taken and posted on the Unidentified Dead

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<v Speaker 1>Bodies database, but Rosita thinks that was a mistake. He

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<v Speaker 1>looked like a local where Trlanken born. So of course

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<v Speaker 1>our skin color is dark and we do look like Indians.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, people would mistake us. There was nothing that

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<v Speaker 1>anyone would think, oh he's a Westerner or he's a foreigner,

0:22:37.045 --> 0:22:40.645
<v Speaker 1>you know, And this is why Rosita believes Russell's body

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<v Speaker 1>was posted under the Unidentified Dead Body's database, and other

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<v Speaker 1>foreigners who blatantly stand out as Westerners are not featured

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<v Speaker 1>on the site. I truly feel this is just my

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<v Speaker 1>opinion that there is something going on there. We were

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<v Speaker 1>just lucky that we found Russell's picture on the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>and they made a mistake in uploading an Australian citizen

0:23:02.685 --> 0:23:06.205
<v Speaker 1>onto that website. To my knowledge, haven't looked at it.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked my brother because I'm not willing to go

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<v Speaker 1>on that website. There is no white people's dead bodies

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<v Speaker 1>on that Unidentified Dead Bodies in India website. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's just local Indians that they're upload So when you know,

0:23:20.685 --> 0:23:23.925
<v Speaker 1>they find the foreigner's body, they're not going to upload

0:23:23.965 --> 0:23:27.445
<v Speaker 1>that onto that Internet. I think they've done exactly what

0:23:27.525 --> 0:23:30.005
<v Speaker 1>they've done to Russell. They've promated the body, got rid

0:23:30.045 --> 0:23:32.645
<v Speaker 1>of the evidence, so the person is missing. It's better

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<v Speaker 1>to have missing people so that the foreigners still come

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<v Speaker 1>to retrication and spend their money and you know, do

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<v Speaker 1>their journey there, than to have them are dead, dead

0:23:42.965 --> 0:23:47.325
<v Speaker 1>foreigners and that's not good for business. This is an

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<v Speaker 1>extreme theory, but if you consider the ordeal Rosita and

0:23:51.205 --> 0:23:54.765
<v Speaker 1>her family went through with the Indian authorities. Her reaction

0:23:54.925 --> 0:23:58.005
<v Speaker 1>makes sense to me. I asked in Kite if she

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<v Speaker 1>thought Rosida's reaction was justified and if others experienced this

0:24:01.765 --> 0:24:06.525
<v Speaker 1>kind of mismanagement with authorities. Yes, it's uncommon to be

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<v Speaker 1>frustrated with administrative processes in India. It's quite common. So

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<v Speaker 1>when I hear Rosita talk about how tough it was

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<v Speaker 1>for her to get information about her brother from the authorities,

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<v Speaker 1>it is not hard for me to imagine. Even the

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<v Speaker 1>part about not admitting the truth for fear of bad

0:24:25.845 --> 0:24:29.205
<v Speaker 1>press is relatable. Every now and then we see some

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<v Speaker 1>journalistic report with solid facts and evidence that gets dismissed

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<v Speaker 1>by the government because they say it is some sort

0:24:36.485 --> 0:24:40.565
<v Speaker 1>of conspiracy to defame the country. So that obviously creates

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<v Speaker 1>mistrust in Indians and foreigners alike about the integrity of

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<v Speaker 1>these official procedures. So this helps explain some of law

0:24:49.205 --> 0:24:54.205
<v Speaker 1>enforcements mismanagement around Russell's case. But what about Rosia's contentious

0:24:54.325 --> 0:24:58.565
<v Speaker 1>theory about what happens to missing foreigners in India. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a question we've been investigating head on in this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>So this theory around a cover up is when we

0:25:05.805 --> 0:25:14.525
<v Speaker 1>need to examine, which we'll do after the break. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to examine Rosida's theory about some sort of cover

0:25:17.605 --> 0:25:20.325
<v Speaker 1>up around missing foreigners in India. So I'm bringing am

0:25:20.405 --> 0:25:23.405
<v Speaker 1>I producing team Gabby Anquita, who have been researching the

0:25:23.485 --> 0:25:28.205
<v Speaker 1>topic and have their own thoughts. So just pulling up

0:25:28.245 --> 0:25:31.085
<v Speaker 1>this Unidentified Dead Bodies database that Gabby's done a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of research on. So, Gabby, since you're familiar with the site,

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<v Speaker 1>could you tell us a little bit about it. So, yeah,

0:25:36.005 --> 0:25:40.085
<v Speaker 1>the Unidentified Dead Bodies Database was started in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and four, and it was started as a collaboration between

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<v Speaker 1>police departments across the country, and it was mostly started

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<v Speaker 1>as a something or like public interest. So yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty nine thousand pages total, and then there's about

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<v Speaker 1>ninety entries in the database. And I mean, the one

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<v Speaker 1>thing that is kind of unhelpful about it is that

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<v Speaker 1>more than half of the entries don't have photographs. I

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<v Speaker 1>went through some of the latest entries in the database,

0:26:09.325 --> 0:26:12.325
<v Speaker 1>and Gabby's right, there are quite a few without photos,

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<v Speaker 1>but nearly every entry lists approximate age, sex, height, weight, complexion,

0:26:19.285 --> 0:26:22.885
<v Speaker 1>face shape, what they're wearing, and any other identifiers in

0:26:22.965 --> 0:26:25.925
<v Speaker 1>the body, like scars or tattoos. I'm looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>latest entry in the database. It's listed just a few

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<v Speaker 1>days ago. He's a fifty year old male. They give

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<v Speaker 1>him an ID number and the district that he was

0:26:34.445 --> 0:26:37.285
<v Speaker 1>found in, which was Delhi. The crime was on a

0:26:37.365 --> 0:26:41.605
<v Speaker 1>railway in that district. The image below that profile is

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<v Speaker 1>harder to look at. The sex is stated as male,

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<v Speaker 1>but his face is mangled so it's hard to tell,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's laying down in a pool of his own blood. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is hard to look at. So if we go

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<v Speaker 1>to the next page, there's a man laying in some

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<v Speaker 1>dirt and fallen leaves. He looks almost malnourished. His collarbones

0:27:01.325 --> 0:27:03.645
<v Speaker 1>and wristbones are sticking out, and his beard and eyes

0:27:03.645 --> 0:27:07.405
<v Speaker 1>seemed to be half open. Profile says he's around thirty five,

0:27:08.005 --> 0:27:11.485
<v Speaker 1>and they identify his religion as Hindu. And Keita looked

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<v Speaker 1>at the entry with me. It also says reward amount

0:27:14.965 --> 0:27:19.085
<v Speaker 1>of zero, which is a little bit sad when I

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<v Speaker 1>think of the reward amount that families of missing people

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<v Speaker 1>put when they want their family members back. It's almost

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<v Speaker 1>just as if a person is just a serial number

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<v Speaker 1>and date and so on, And I mean, I understand

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<v Speaker 1>that it's really important, but the process can also really

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<v Speaker 1>dehumanize someone. That could be really a shock for any

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<v Speaker 1>family member or a loved one to look at this picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Looking at bodies like this becomes desensitizing, which is disturbing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I understand the purpose of the site, but

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<v Speaker 1>skimming through it feels just wrong. But we're not looking

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<v Speaker 1>at this database for no reason. So Rosita has a

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<v Speaker 1>theory that foreigners dead body, specifically white foreigners are not

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<v Speaker 1>listed on this database. And the only reason Russell was

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<v Speaker 1>was because he was a schu Lankan descent and so

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<v Speaker 1>he had a darker complexion and was mistaken for a local.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. I mean, what are your guys

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on this? So, yeah, I've gone through I guess

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<v Speaker 1>now at this point, I've gone through about two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>pages of the database, and I think, you know, that

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<v Speaker 1>assessment could be correct in that all of the entries

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<v Speaker 1>that I've seen either they have a very apparent complexion

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<v Speaker 1>or their complexion is listed. And I haven't really seen

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<v Speaker 1>as many lighter complexioned people. I did see one person

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<v Speaker 1>who did have a lighter complexion and they identified this

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<v Speaker 1>person with they had some tattoos in English, which I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that doesn't necessarily mean they are you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>aren't from like a western country, you know, like Australia, US,

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<v Speaker 1>England or whatever. And I mean that doesn't necessarily like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really know if there is a correlation between

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<v Speaker 1>Rosida's theories and the fact that there aren't more white

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<v Speaker 1>people showing up in the database. As Gaby said, a

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<v Speaker 1>very small fraction of these entries is listed as having

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<v Speaker 1>a light complexion, but it's hard to know for sure

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<v Speaker 1>because of the status some of the bodies. And while

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<v Speaker 1>just through observation we can't legitimately substantiate Rosida's theory that

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<v Speaker 1>white foreigners aren't listed on this database, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>important to remember that the database features dead body entries

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<v Speaker 1>from a country with a population of over one billion,

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<v Speaker 1>so it makes sense that a majority of these entries

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<v Speaker 1>are Indian. And Keita did some research about crimes against

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<v Speaker 1>westerners in India and found that in twenty nineteen, only

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred and nine crimes against foreigners were reported. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a relatively small number. And Keita, what are your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>in Rosida's theory and this idea that there's some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of cover up around dead foreigners in India. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I won't want to speculate without any kind of investigation

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<v Speaker 1>into this, but because we live in India but have

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<v Speaker 1>experienced corruption, and we have experienced things where facts are

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<v Speaker 1>hidden or action is not taken on time, so it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like one cannot entirely doole out the possibility. And

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<v Speaker 1>also we keep hearing about either if people come out

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<v Speaker 1>and critique of something that is happening in society or

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<v Speaker 1>at the government level, then the fact that it is

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<v Speaker 1>dismissed as being anti national. So these things to create

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<v Speaker 1>suspicion in you and stop you from completely trusting the

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<v Speaker 1>organizations that have been put in place to take care

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<v Speaker 1>of these things. Gary, I know you've done more research

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<v Speaker 1>around the Australian embassy and this idea of some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of embassy cover up. Do you think there's truth in that? Unclear.

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<v Speaker 1>I reached out to the Australian Embassy and never heard

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<v Speaker 1>back from them, and of course that wouldn't mean that

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<v Speaker 1>they would have talked to me and be like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we're involved in lots of cover ups or anything. But

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<v Speaker 1>there have been some other cases that are similar where

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<v Speaker 1>there have been, you know, parents of foreigners who had

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<v Speaker 1>died who were also frustrated with their embassies and with

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<v Speaker 1>the police departments. If you are trying to like identify

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<v Speaker 1>a cover up, you do google that. The thing that

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<v Speaker 1>comes up first is if there was almost a proven,

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<v Speaker 1>substantiated cover up that was going on in Goa. Goa

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<v Speaker 1>is hundreds of miles away from Racia, Cash and the

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<v Speaker 1>other areas we've covered so far. It's by the coast

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<v Speaker 1>in the southwestern part of the country. It's a vacation

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<v Speaker 1>destination for foreigners who want to lounge on the beach

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<v Speaker 1>by day and hit up the clubs at night. But

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<v Speaker 1>since two thousand and five, there have been two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and forty five foreigner deaths the local police determined as natural,

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<v Speaker 1>but over the years, parents of some of these tourists

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<v Speaker 1>managed to get second autopsies which reclassified the deaths as homicides.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and eight, fifteen year old British citizen

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<v Speaker 1>Scarlet Keeling died in Goa. Her body was found in

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<v Speaker 1>a pool of shallow water, bruised and semi naked. Authorities

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<v Speaker 1>said it was an accidental death, but the second autopsy

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<v Speaker 1>found that she was sexually assaulted and had suffered more

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<v Speaker 1>than fifty injuries. There was another case of twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>year old Felix Doll and again the police said it

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<v Speaker 1>was an accidental death, but the second autopsy, done in

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<v Speaker 1>Doll's home country of Finland, revealed that there were fatal

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<v Speaker 1>injuries inflicted to his skull from a high impact weapon.

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<v Speaker 1>Parents of ten of the foreigners who were killed wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a letter to India's Prime Minister Modi in twenty seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>to demand an unbiased and independent investigation into their children's deaths.

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<v Speaker 1>The letter reads, the quality of the work of the

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<v Speaker 1>police and GOA should be investigated. Instead of investigating the

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<v Speaker 1>murders and killings, the local police want to cover up

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<v Speaker 1>the truth. The investigation is needed to reveal the connections

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<v Speaker 1>between the locals, the police and GOA, drug mafia and

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<v Speaker 1>politicians and their involvement and the deaths of tourists and

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<v Speaker 1>locals and GOA. In one interview, Felix Dahl's mother said

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<v Speaker 1>that all the facts provided by the police were imaginary

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<v Speaker 1>and followed that up by saying something similar to Rosita.

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<v Speaker 1>She suspects these deaths were covered up so they don't

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<v Speaker 1>affect tourism in the area. The cause of Russell's death

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<v Speaker 1>is still unknown, but I'm grateful that Rosita shared his

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<v Speaker 1>story because it's one that could potentially shed light on

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to others who have gone missing in Raishikesh.

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<v Speaker 1>Russell went to Rashikesh specifically seeking this next level of

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<v Speaker 1>spirituality and maybe he found what he was looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>As a believer in the Hindu faith, Russell revered the

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<v Speaker 1>sacred Ganges were Hindu's embraced death as death defines life,

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<v Speaker 1>her waters, offering them hope that one day they will

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<v Speaker 1>be liberated from an endless cycle of birth and death

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<v Speaker 1>and attain nirvana. He was on a spiritual journey, so

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<v Speaker 1>we believe that he did die in the Ganges. So

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<v Speaker 1>with the spiritual journey that he's when, it's a very

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<v Speaker 1>auspicious way to die. So it's a very good blessing

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<v Speaker 1>to die in that rivers. So I think we have

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<v Speaker 1>to take comfort in that his beliefs and his journey.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I know that when it's my time, I

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<v Speaker 1>will see him again. We've dug into many theories in

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, which happens when you investigate cases where people

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<v Speaker 1>have gone missing. There are too many unknowns, which leads

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<v Speaker 1>to even more speculations. But next week well unfold the

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<v Speaker 1>story of Charlie Marinelli, whose experience in India is similar

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<v Speaker 1>to the others we've shared, But unlike Ryan, Jonathan or Justin,

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie's story is not swarming with theories. It provides answers.

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<v Speaker 1>He pushed the edges in other ways in the past

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<v Speaker 1>before and never went to this edge. I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble because he was definitely looking at somebody in

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<v Speaker 1>that dark room. Somebody was standing over him, watching him.

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<v Speaker 1>Astray as a production of School of Humans and iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's episode of Astray Russell and Risha Cash was produced, written,

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<v Speaker 1>and narrated by Me, Caroline Slaughter and Kita anand is

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<v Speaker 1>my co producer and Gavie Watts as our supervising producer.

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<v Speaker 1>Special thanks to Rosita for telling Russell's story. Astray was

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<v Speaker 1>sound produced by Tune Welders, with score and sound design

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<v Speaker 1>by Jason Shannon and mix by Harper Harris. Executive producers

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<v Speaker 1>are Brandon Barr, Brian Lavin, and Elsie Crowley. Thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans