1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Why Not Me? Embracing Autism and Mental Health Worldwide? 2 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: Hosted by Tony Mantor, broadcasting from the heart of Music City, USA, Nashville, Tennessee. 3 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: Join us as our guests share their raw, powerful stories. 4 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: Some will spark laughter, others will move you to tears. 5 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: These real life journeys inspire, connect and remind you that 6 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: you're never alone. We're igniting a global movement to empower 7 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: everyone to make a lasting difference by fostering deep awareness 8 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: on wavering acceptance, and profound understanding of autism and mental health. 9 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: Tune in, be inspired, and join us in transforming the world, 10 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: one story at a time. Hi, I'm Tony Mintur. Welcome 11 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: to Why Not Me? Embracing Autism and Mental Health Worldwide. 12 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: Before we jump in, if you haven't already, app the 13 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: follow button. It takes two seconds and it helps more 14 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: families that need to hear these conversations. Joining us today 15 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: is Liam Edward Golder. His autistic journey did not begin 16 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: in childhood with a clear roadmap. It unfolded later in 17 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: his life. Not only did he find out later in life, 18 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: but his father was diagnosed artistic at age seventy. This 19 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: conversation is about what happens when clarity arrives late, how 20 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: it can bring relief, grief, validation, and healing all at 21 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: the same time. It's about seeing your parent and yourself 22 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: through a new lens. He has a great story to tell. 23 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: So before we dive into our episode, we'll be back 24 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: with an uninterrupted show right after a word from our sponsors. 25 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us today. 26 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: Now I appreciate you, be honest, it's amazing, really really excited. 27 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: Yes's great to have you on. You just mentioned you 28 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: recently discovered you are autistic. If you would tell us 29 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: a little bit about that. 30 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what it is, I basically have got family 31 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: with autism, basically my dad. I'll go more into that 32 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: as well. But my dad got diagnosed late with autism 33 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 2: and Aspergu's syndrome, and my nephew as well autism, and 34 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: it didn't occur to me really that I had it 35 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: as well, you know, And then I started to notice 36 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: patterns and things, and part of the show and the 37 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 2: build up of different things that have happened actually led 38 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 2: me to realize that I basically have got it as well. 39 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: So it's because mi aim is actually a lot to 40 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 2: do with creativity and mine actually I see as a 41 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 2: strength which I've realized rather than saying to be seen 42 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: as a weakness or a worry or something to be 43 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,399 Speaker 2: concerned about. It's led me to the world of creativity 44 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 2: through my music, you know, through having a career full 45 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: time job in music, you know, thirty years in music 46 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: as a number one song where I haven't seen there 47 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: and promoted for different celebrity eyes as well and all 48 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 2: these fans. But my creative brain because of the autism, 49 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: and I've got Adhd as well to add to it. 50 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: But it's basically I realized that my creative brain and 51 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: my ideas and the way I look at the world 52 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: differently has really helped with the music, you know, and 53 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: helping others with the songs. And it's a strength. You know, 54 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: some ideas I get very easily. I get words very 55 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: easily in my head. Very I've got like a photographic memory. 56 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: I could write a song just from a scratch on 57 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 2: the spot sort of, you know, and helping say, working 58 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: in music and that creative aspect of that. And I 59 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: realized through the family, so I probably got it through 60 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: the generation of my own dad. 61 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: How long ago was it when you found out that 62 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: your dad was autistic. 63 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: It probably was about roughly about ten years ago, because 64 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: he was diagnosed really late. It wasn't diagnosed until he 65 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: was about probably seventy. 66 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, and he'd been. 67 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: Living with this for so long. And you know, his 68 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: mannerisms are very drawn. But I can be I can 69 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: look quite straight faced, and he looks very expressionless at times, 70 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: and doesn't you know, he doesn't understand what's going on sometimes, 71 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: And see he doesn't understand emotions sometimes. Mine's different way. 72 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: I get it is different. 73 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: You both have a certain thing in common, is that 74 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: you both have been diagnosed artistic later in life. 75 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 76 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: With that said, what are some of the similar things 77 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: that you see you both have in common. 78 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: And similar fans. I think it can be quite both. 79 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: Both of us can be withdrawn. I mean in certain situations, 80 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 2: I'm a very like Dad will be on his own 81 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 2: a lot, and he will be in his own mind 82 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: and his own thoughts, and I get that sometimes as well. 83 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: I can be married very much on the great crowds, 84 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 2: even though I work in music and I love music 85 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: and stuff, but both not that great in crowds and 86 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: loud noises. 87 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: I can totally understand that. 88 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got, you know, the headphones and on all 89 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: that stuff, at least my self in the headphones quite 90 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: a lot. 91 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: When you learn that your dad was artistic, did that 92 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: lead you down the path to questioning about yourself at all? 93 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: A bit at the time, But I was very lost 94 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: in his diagnosis. I got very lost in that at 95 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 2: the time. I used to look at autism very differently 96 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: and the symptoms and fins, and I think there's that 97 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: stereotype of what autism is or how it should be, 98 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: or what people think it is, you know, sometimes because 99 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: he's like quite a version of me, I didn't think 100 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 2: as much about myself at the time my football about him. 101 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: But as time went on, I started noticing Finns in myself. 102 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: Like menus I find really hard to read. I feel 103 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: very overwhelmed, and I started noticing beacial INDI York. Over 104 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: the years, every t under the menu, I was overwhelmed 105 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: with trying to look at this menu. To me, it 106 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: looks like an atlas. I'm like completely overweler with it. 107 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: It just feels like so much information. 108 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: I'm curious. Everyone has their perception of what they think 109 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: autism is. Yeah, yeah, So what were your perceptions of 110 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: what you think autism was and then when your father 111 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: was diagnosed, did it change your perception at all? 112 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. I even worked at autism, but I used to 113 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: always think it was just a vagueness, you know, not 114 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: responding to other human emotions and being very cut off 115 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: from the world and things. I used to just think that, 116 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: and then I realized it wasn't just that. There's so 117 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: much more to it, you know, as well as seeing 118 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: shapes or hearing sounds or processing things differently in people, 119 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: and not always recognizing people's emotions or things, which he 120 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 2: does a lot. He doesn't recognize people's emotions sometimes and 121 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: you have to remind him and they go, oh, all right, 122 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: oh yeah, oh they're thinking that. That the person who's 123 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: thinking this and they're upset about this or they're worried 124 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 2: about this. They go, oh are they? Oh well, I 125 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: sort of I can register it. Sometimes I don't always 126 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 2: register it, but that was one of the friends. But 127 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: bright lights as well. I noticed even in supermarkets, bright 128 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: lights would get me a bit in the shops, you know, 129 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 2: the bright lights or I've been in the partnament and 130 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: that sort of thing, or like that. But I'd say 131 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: the big thing for me has been music. My big 132 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: obsession is music, and I always are stuck on that 133 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: a lot. On one subject, which has been. 134 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: That when you learned of your diagnosis of being artistic, 135 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: did you get that through a therapist? And then once 136 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: it was confirmed that you truly are autistic? What went 137 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: through your mind? What were some of the first thoughts 138 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: that you would thinking with your new diagnosis. 139 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like apies of years ago in the beginning, 140 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: and then I recently found out more about it since 141 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: the show, and I thought to myself. But when I 142 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: found out and it was like confirmed, I was like, well, 143 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: actually it makes sense now. I always felt a bit weird. 144 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: Sometimes I felt very different from the world a lot. 145 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: I always felt I didn't fit into a lot of 146 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: situations and always felt a bit or it's very different, 147 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: and I can never understand why apart from the ADHD. 148 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: And I thought, oh, you know, because I say photographic 149 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: memory and I can remember like loads of numbers. But 150 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: I remember feeling actually quite believed and happy that I 151 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: actually found Oh that makes sense, you know, that makes 152 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: sense now I feel believed, And like I said TU earlier, 153 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: I feel now that I can use it as a strength. 154 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: Sure, now did you tell anyone? 155 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? 156 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: Perfect, Now who did you tell? And of course what 157 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: was the reaction to the Diagnosish. 158 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: My partner, my family, and they said, goh yeah, of 159 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: course that makes that can into perfect sense that as well, 160 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: because some of the things that you know, I've always 161 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: been good with numbers and remembering words and having this 162 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: sort of being able to memorize things like what a 163 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: lot of people would forget about. I just keep remembering 164 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: all these like a number plate from thirty years ago, 165 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: my dad's car and stuff like that. The big thing 166 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 2: for me has been the music focus, like hyper focus 167 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: on that. You know. I've worked, to say, thirty years 168 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: in music, helping others and famous people, and it's not 169 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: helped me back, you know. You know, my mind feels 170 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: very busy at times and there's a lots of process. 171 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: It's made me with a creative level of things that 172 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: excel really, I think, and I've not seen it as 173 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: a barrier. Say, I work with all different celebrity artists 174 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 2: and utists and write songs for them and promote them 175 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: and on side acts as well, you know, and it's 176 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: a daily it's it's full time job, and potentially working 177 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: with Hot Chocolate Band from the UK. Lots of other 178 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: people like Broutang Clan potentially and lots of big names, 179 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: you know, like say Lincoln Park and I've done before 180 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: Adele and stuff. 181 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: So did you ever feel like you had said translator 182 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: for your father to other people? 183 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, sometimes it has felt like a translated yeah, 184 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: because I've had to sort of be a messager sort 185 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: of fan. 186 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, because he was artistic and still trying to comprehend. 187 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: Things autistic and yeah, and he's also got paranoid personality 188 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 2: disorder just to add to it, so that obviously has 189 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: been a challenge as well. He thought someone was trying 190 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: to trick him against him or something, you know, but 191 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: as someone like our old dog, the pet dog, he'd 192 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 2: faked that they were trying to take the dog or something, 193 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: and I'd have to, you know, reassure him and say, no, 194 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: they're not trying to take the dog. They just were 195 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: just saying high and low to the dog. It's all 196 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: good intentions, you know. 197 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that makes sense. When you found out your 198 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: father was artistic and then later realized you were artistic too, 199 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: did that change how you understood him. Did it help 200 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: you separate his struggles from his strengths and see them 201 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: through a different lens. Was there ever a moment where 202 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: you thought he wasn't being distant or difficult, he was 203 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: just being overwhelmed? 204 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah. I realized why he struggled for his life, 205 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 2: you know. And I realized why he was so withdrawn 206 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: and why he found it hard to communicate with people. 207 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 2: Clicked into place that he was the reason why how 208 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: he was, you know, but he wouldn't react to certain 209 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: situations at all. 210 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: Right now, after his late diagnosis, did you notice any 211 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: shift in him, almost like a weight being lifted off 212 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: his shoulders. Did having that understanding give him relief and 213 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: of course some clarity in his life? 214 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: I think so. I think so because I think he'd 215 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: always he's always been like asking questions and thinking a 216 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 2: similar thing. Why he felt different, Why I couldn't engage 217 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 2: in connections easily, which I've struggled with in my life. 218 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: I struggled to connect to people and have conversations and 219 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 2: really sort of if you understood as well, So it's 220 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 2: not really feeling that, not really feeling understood. I think 221 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: it's it's a lot to do that as well, and 222 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: he definitely felt different. And you could say to him 223 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: that you could say, well, there's a fire outside or something, 224 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: because it wasn't, and it just I just go all right. 225 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: He wouldn't actually really anticipate a danger or worry or fear, 226 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: you know, he wouldn't. He wouldn't pick up on something 227 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 2: to worry about it. Just think. 228 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: Oh, well, now you say that you were originally from England, correct. 229 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, really from London. 230 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: Now how long have you been here? 231 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 2: Well, I've been in New York for four years? Four years? 232 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: Okay, So have you noticed the difference in how people 233 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: have reacted from where you were in England to the 234 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: people that you deal with on a continued basis here 235 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: in New York. Have you noticed a difference or has 236 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: it been about the same reaction in both areas well? 237 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: Not yet as such, because I'm not going into detail 238 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 2: with all family in New York, but partner. Apart from that, 239 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: I've actually just been going through the some fact that 240 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: the UK and they were just you know, the supportive 241 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: really and just was like, wow, this is just what 242 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 2: it is, we actually understand and they went, oh yeah, 243 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: because you've always been that they said to me, Oh, 244 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: you've always been really good with numbers. It always been 245 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: really good with words and songwriting and super focused on 246 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: the music. Like that really tunneled on that, I said, yeah, 247 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: because I could. For a long time, I used to 248 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: be why am I so heavily focused on music all 249 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: the time? Like constant the whole brain is going through 250 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: it all day long. On subject, of course, I do 251 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: think of other friends were important, you know, like love 252 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: and other friends. I have important things, But the music 253 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 2: is always like there and it's continually running. But I 254 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 2: was like, why are music like? Why can't I think 255 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 2: about something else or do something else? You know, I 256 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: was really like trying to battle that sometimes. 257 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: Is there any part of you that kind of resisted 258 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: your diagnosis, possibly because of what your witness growing up 259 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: with your dad? 260 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 2: Oh, I actually embraced it. 261 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: Awesome. 262 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: I had a sense of comfort in it actually because 263 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: I thought, well, now that gives me the answers of 264 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: why I was, you know, some of the questions I 265 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: had about different things and thinking why do I why 266 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: do I remember the words? And why do I remember 267 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: those numbers? And you know, I remember people's like data 268 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: births very easily or star signs very easily or details 269 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: about there, like they tell me something, can I remember it? 270 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: And how did you remember that? When my parents got 271 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: married they told me once I remembered and they said 272 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 2: they was like, wow, you remember that church? And yeah, 273 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: I say with the songs, I can just reath off 274 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 2: a song and that normally I could just I could 275 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: do a song live and just like literally what a 276 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: whole song. 277 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: Have you had any stressors meltdown? Have that affected you 278 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: in any way at all? 279 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: Burnout? Yeah? I think I've had mental burnouts. I think 280 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 2: where I've worked so hard and I'm getting so many 281 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: ideas because my brain is very creative, so get so 282 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 2: many creative ideas mixed with the ADHD as well and anxiety. 283 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 2: I've had so anxiety in my life. I think sometimes 284 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: your brain can feel a bit overloaded, you know. 285 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can. Now, how do you deal with it? 286 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: If you have some anxiety coming on? How do you 287 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: put yourself in a position of where you can deal 288 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: with it? 289 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I've had over the years, I had anxiety, 290 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 2: especially working in music and building that and getting that 291 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: to a successful level and knowing that you know, I 292 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: was basically you know, music industries are tough anyway, and 293 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 2: on top of that, making a living for music to 294 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: add to the you know, plus having health conditions. You know, 295 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: it's a lot to do because I've got our people's 296 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 2: careers in my hands as well, you know, they depending 297 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 2: on me. I'm trying to do the best I can do. 298 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: It's been really successful. It continues to build. I've worked 299 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: with over eighty different celebrities, wrote with some of them 300 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: as well, So I'm writing done things that I wouldn't 301 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: even imagined that I would have achieved. You know, they're 302 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: achieving it, you know, And I'm not letting the autism 303 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: when I think holding back, you know, it's actually now 304 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: a superpower almost you know. 305 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a great way of looking at it. 306 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: Now since you've gotten your diagnosis, have you seen a 307 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: change Now you're getting to know what autism is, You're 308 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: starting to get a better grasp and understanding. How have 309 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: you adjusted to this and what kind of changes have 310 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: you seen yourself make moving forward? 311 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? Acceptance, more acceptances myself, because I really I found 312 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: it very hard to accept some of my patterns. You know, 313 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: I felt very strange at times and I thought, well, 314 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: no one else is doing these things that I know, 315 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 2: So why am I memorizing all this stuff? Why am 316 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: I so heavily focused on one subject? Sort of? But 317 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: basically I adjusted really quick because suddenly I've got the 318 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: sort of clarity I've had the clarity on different areas. 319 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh, of course, now that's 320 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: that absolutely completely. I'm not you know, a doctor or 321 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: working at school, all these things that you think about 322 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: doing when you were a child, and they say, oh, 323 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: you should go and be this or be that. The 324 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: music for me always happened, but I couldn't accept it 325 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: a long time, even though I was doing it, and 326 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: I try to come away from it, but it keep 327 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: coming back like a boomerang. So I could ever, you know, 328 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: couldn't escape it really and now I enjoy it. I 329 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: enjoy it and I embrace it now because I accept 330 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: the way I am that I'm not. Actually, it's not 331 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: like it's not a hobby. It's not just saying I 332 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: do you know that? You know, people were engineers or 333 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: whatever they do, and we've all got a purpose. It 334 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: took me a long time, but now I've accepted my 335 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: purpose and what I have and how my mind thinks, 336 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: you know, obviously and that it's okay. 337 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: Now, most kids, as they're growing up, they always have 338 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: these perceptions of their parents. Why do they make me 339 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: do this? Why do they make me do that? They're 340 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: always questioning them. They don't know what they're talking about. 341 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: Did you have any challenges like that? He hadn't been 342 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: diagnosed autistic yet, but he did have some of those tendencies. 343 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: Then after he got his diagnosis and you found out 344 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: he's autistic, then you get your diagnosis of being autistic. 345 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: Did that build a bridge that made the both of 346 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: you closer because of the understanding you gain from being autistic. 347 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he actually setsilist process and everything. Yeah, 348 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: he just like answered the diagnosis. I think, Yeah, I did. 349 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: I did feel closer to him and understand more why 350 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 2: he was because I didn't have the guidance, Like I 351 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: didn't have the career guidance. I come away from school 352 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: and I struggled through school sometimes you know, I did 353 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: well and actually, but the social aspect I really struggled 354 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: with the actual academic side. I struggled with in certain 355 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: subjects but excelled in well Corse, music, maths and English 356 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: and things. But I didn't have the guidance when I 357 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 2: left school of what to do. He didn't say anything 358 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: to me. He didn't say you should be thought about 359 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: this job. He thought about that against anything. And I 360 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 2: know why I didn't that because he wasn't thinking about it, 361 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: because he was luck in his autism. So I just 362 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 2: found my own path and obviously that led to the music. 363 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 2: And I remember not even no guidance, and I remember thinking, 364 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 2: that's just I've got no guidance at all, nothing, you know. 365 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: But I don't hold that against him at all. Now 366 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: I understand why now. 367 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now you say you're concentrating on your music. 368 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, forty years now, thirty years of it. 369 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, how do people find you? Give us your websites 370 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: and social media so people can follow you on what 371 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: you're doing. 372 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got It's it's well because I do what 373 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: I do. I do. I do PR with marketing and 374 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: communications for bands and sows, singers, all kinds of music. Basically, 375 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 2: the website or the company's so Heroes Music PR. And 376 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: the website is www dot Son dash Heroes Music dashpr 377 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 2: dot com. Look me up under liamed recororder. But Son 378 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 2: Heroes is the company I've had for years and years, 379 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 2: I say thirty years I've been doing noise now. Yeah, 380 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 2: so the marketing and pr and basically like a music 381 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: agent for all different kinds of bands and famous and 382 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 2: non famous singers and songwriters and every all kinds of 383 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 2: music you know, people can try and I do radio 384 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 2: packages and TV magazines, record labels, music venues. You know, 385 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: you know, music for airports and shopping malls, restaurants, hotels, 386 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 2: all of that. You know, there's so much that I cover, 387 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 2: which my creative brain just focuses on on like a machine. 388 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: Really, have you had any challenges that you've had to 389 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: overcome because of your autism with the work that you 390 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: do and the clients. 391 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: I think just having a structure, Like I've got a 392 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: really good structure with it, but you know, for lots 393 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 2: going on at once, you have to balance that and 394 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 2: then learn to structure that, like anythink in life, just 395 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: have that structure and balance of what's going on. And 396 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: I think that, Yeah, the challenge was just just really 397 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 2: prioritizing what was important, what feeling overwhelmed, like were talking 398 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: about earlier, not to feel burnt out by the actual 399 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: clients or the workload. So it's just having that happy balance. 400 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: You know now that you understand yourself better after your 401 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: autism diagnosis. Add to that you now see your father's 402 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: life in a different lens because of it. What kind 403 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: of legacy are you hoping to carry forward? 404 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, that's a great that's a great question. The 405 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 2: music legacy, but also the health aspects. I am writing 406 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,479 Speaker 2: with different celebrity, advice, seeing with them sometimes before and 407 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 2: promoting them, being their agent and publicist really, but also 408 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 2: while having ADHD and autism in the thing to be like, well, okay, 409 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 2: you can achieve things, you know. You haven't got to 410 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 2: be put in a box or you haven't got to 411 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: not The legacy is that you can to help to 412 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 2: inspire others because you can achieve these things, you know, 413 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: you haven't got to just think, right well, i've got 414 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: autism or got IDHD or whatever you have. Right well, 415 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: I'm not going to do anything, you know, but I'm 416 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 2: just going to sit there on the sofa and just 417 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: put the headphones on and shut yourself off the world 418 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 2: for the next eighty years or whatever. And I thought, no, 419 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to do something, you know, I'm not going 420 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: to let it stop me. In fact, it's now become 421 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 2: the fuel to make things even bigger and build that 422 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: legacy even stronger and say to other people you can 423 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: do it. You can do things beyond all the challenges. 424 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: You know, you haven't got to think that you can't 425 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 2: when people say you won't be able to do that. 426 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: We've all had it at the time in their life. 427 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, So two different autism diagnosis actually connected two 428 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: different people because of it. Yeah. The beauty is it 429 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: did not separate. You tell us what that connection means 430 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: to you today now that you have a better understanding 431 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: of autism. 432 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I have a lot more understanding and empathy 433 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: and compassion. And one of the big things was he 434 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 2: always looked so vague. Is that why I do I recognize? 435 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: I do it? Just now to me it's like, well, 436 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 2: I can relate to the reasons why he is how 437 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 2: he is. And it wasn't to be rude. He wasn't 438 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 2: being rude, He wasn't trying to be distant, he wasn't 439 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: trying not to care about situations. It's just that he 440 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 2: didn't understand his emotions in the world, and he didn't 441 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: really know how to respond to a lot of situations. 442 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 2: And still doesn't. But he's also just like the sweetest guy. 443 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: So he's absolutely amazing, you know. And he's always going 444 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 2: to be a person that sits in the corner of 445 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 2: the room. But that's fine, you know, because that's how 446 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: he is. But as that and the fact is that 447 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: he's still a great person, and the fact that he's 448 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 2: actually you know, he's had three children, he's been married 449 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: to my mum sixty one years, you know, despite his 450 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 2: health issues, and been a success, you know, been a success. 451 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: So so he's done amazing and that as well. You know, 452 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 2: it's an inspiration to think that you can you can 453 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: do things. You know. I was told, you know, don't 454 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 2: work in music. You would be a loser. You know, 455 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 2: I would be a hobby. What will you real job be? 456 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: You know. I had a business advisor and he said, well, 457 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: I think working in the music industry is going to 458 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: be hit or missed, so that I wouldn't actually do it. 459 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: I wouldn't bother and I come at the meeting, you know, 460 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: and I'll deflate it. And I thought, oh, geez, is 461 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: he right? And I don't know, I'm going to do it. 462 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it. And I look back, you know, 463 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: and I'm glad he did because your career and I 464 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: built an income and built, as you like saying earlier, 465 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: like what's going to be a legacy because of music? 466 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: And I would if I had listened to the the 467 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: you know, the naysayers and all the people that say 468 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 2: you can't do this and don't do that. I've never 469 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 2: done it, you. 470 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: Know, I've heard all those naysayers myself, so I totally 471 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: get it completely. Yes, yes, how old is your dad? Now? 472 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: Well, dad's actually, God bless him, he's eighty one now. 473 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: Oh nice, Yeah, yeah, he won, So. 474 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 2: He's doing well. I mean he's amazing really, you know 475 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 2: what he's been through and yes, it's fantastic. 476 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: Is he still in England or is he here in 477 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: the States? 478 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah he's Yeah, he's in England still. So he was 479 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: born in England, so he's there with Mum and the 480 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 2: other rest of the side of the family. So he's there. 481 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, he's always been my hero because 482 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 2: he's always been a great dad. Even through his struggles. 483 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: He finds that kindness, you know, and you do feel 484 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 2: his love even though he expresses it differently, and he's 485 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: concerned and never and again he'll break out of what 486 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: he's in and they go, oh, are you okay? That's 487 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 2: sort of thing, or oh do you need something? Or 488 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 2: you're right? You know, how are you? You know? But 489 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: I say he's become a great person despite all these challenges. 490 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: Nice, that's just so good. Now that you know this 491 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: about yourself, how do you see yourself living differently now? 492 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: Not in spite of artism, but because of it. 493 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 2: I'm a lot more confident, feeling a lot more comfortable. 494 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 2: As I said earlier, I've just come to a place 495 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 2: of acceptance and realizing why I think the way I do. 496 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: And I've always had a different way of thinking, and 497 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 2: I never knew why, and I feel and I thought 498 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 2: it was strange. Now don't I don't think it's strange now. 499 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 2: I think it's actually got It's got its own uniqueness. 500 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: I say, especially with the music. That's really you know, 501 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: to help others with the music industry, which well, I'll 502 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 2: keep doing go and keep going for that and keep 503 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: helping people and successfully getting them out there. But I 504 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 2: will keep pushing the music out there and keep helping 505 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: people getting their music out, you know, and changing the 506 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: world in my own individual way. 507 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just so good. Well, this has been great, 508 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: great conversation, great information. I really appreciate you taking the 509 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: time too today. 510 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Tony. 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